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ESWC/WCG Losing Focus?
Recently with WCG forcing teams to wear WCG t-shirts which is detrimental to sponsors and the ESWC Poland fiasco I decided to write an article.
The article is featured on the Frag eXecutors website in both Polish and English.
Polish - www.frag-executors.com/artykul/eswc-wcg-krytycznym-okiem.html
English - en.frag-executors.com/article/eswc-wcg-losing-focus.html
Here is an excerpt:
The article is featured on the Frag eXecutors website in both Polish and English.
Polish - www.frag-executors.com/artykul/eswc-wcg-krytycznym-okiem.html
English - en.frag-executors.com/article/eswc-wcg-losing-focus.html
Here is an excerpt:
"Before it even gets into someone's mind to state that this isn't the ESWC's fault directly, I will quickly explain the issue further. It is the ESWC's and the RESPONSIBILITY to ensure that the license gets into the right hands. Ultimately, they should be the ones responsible for each qualifier in every single nation. Of course, the goal for the ESWC is to have as many countries as possible attend their grand final event..."
i feelin' sad xD
Post edited 2010-07-28 13:54:18
Post edited 2010-07-28 13:54:18
wanna cry on my shoulder? :P
You're about to score some points!
Excellent article. You've given a nice suggestion on the ESWC's matter (committees in each country) and I'd like to rescue only one more phrase: "Another option for the ESWC is to adopt a different policy similar to that of FIFA"
Should eS found a federation whose only concern would be to protect the interest of gamers well as organizations/teams?
About your view on the WCG's issues, well seems a very easy fact to resolve. If the organizers don't want to, they should change the format of the cup.
While they want to be the "world eS cup" they should invite individuals, pay them every single expense as well as a wage, do national teams, and make a huge lan every year as the ENC does.
This is my humble opinion. Enjoy your day.
Should eS found a federation whose only concern would be to protect the interest of gamers well as organizations/teams?
About your view on the WCG's issues, well seems a very easy fact to resolve. If the organizers don't want to, they should change the format of the cup.
While they want to be the "world eS cup" they should invite individuals, pay them every single expense as well as a wage, do national teams, and make a huge lan every year as the ENC does.
This is my humble opinion. Enjoy your day.
There is already a federation-like thing in G7 but their influence isn't too big. The different organizers are just not bound to do anything or listen to anyone so they have no power atm.
2nd paragraph.
That was the one a replied to you ignorant, self-absorbed wannabe-expert. No matter what people tell you and no matter how right they are you always act like people can't read and that you are so much better, might be the worst hector here.
I'll help you out.
"Should eS found a federation whose only concern would be to protect the interest of gamers well as organizations/teams?"
"Should eS found a federation whose only concern would be to protect the interest of gamers well as organizations/teams?"
What more than that does G7 do? I've only heard from them when it comes to ensuring that the teams get their prize money paid and stuff.
"What more than that does G7 do? I've only heard from them when it comes to ensuring that the teams get their prize money paid and stuff."
It looks better now:
What more than that does G7 do? I've only heard from them when it comes to ensuring that fnatic, SK Gaming, Na'Vi, WMF, B!, EG get their prize money paid and stuff.
The world is huge. Go for a ride.
It looks better now:
What more than that does G7 do? I've only heard from them when it comes to ensuring that fnatic, SK Gaming, Na'Vi, WMF, B!, EG get their prize money paid and stuff.
The world is huge. Go for a ride.
If any other team would win any major tournament and NOT get their prizes paid or anything, I'm sure they'd care. Like they do for the current FX for example, who weren't on your list.
Oh God. Did you read the article at least? This has nothing to do with FX or any polish team, this has nothing to do with me not putting FX or any other BIG orga in that list.
Please read the article before commenting.
Please read the article before commenting.
No I haven't read it, and our discussion has nothing at all to do with the article itself? I said that there already is sort of an international federation, such as one you were looking for and we were discussing what the G7 does and not. Or, I was trying to, while you were trying to act smart and be cocky.
So, let me see. We're discussing, I read the article (therefore I have an argument), you didn't.
I never stated anything on G7 because it's not on the matter, these thread is about an article recently written by this polish journalist WHICH WAS NOT READ BY YOU.
So please go read it and then we can start an argue or whatever.
And, as I've said before in some other thread, the only major actor here is you, the rest of us have a life. Go fuck yourself.
I never stated anything on G7 because it's not on the matter, these thread is about an article recently written by this polish journalist WHICH WAS NOT READ BY YOU.
So please go read it and then we can start an argue or whatever.
And, as I've said before in some other thread, the only major actor here is you, the rest of us have a life. Go fuck yourself.
I have a life too, and it's not about insulting people over the internet. I don't want to read the article since I don't find it interesting, and I don't have to read the article to have an argument in our "discussion".
I consider myself quite polite, but when people looks for me they find me, always.
I don't want to read the article since I don't find it interesting, and I don't have to read the article to have an argument in our "discussion"
LOL!!!!!! DA KID!!!!! xDDDD
I don't want to read the article since I don't find it interesting, and I don't have to read the article to have an argument in our "discussion"
LOL!!!!!! DA KID!!!!! xDDDD
Yes, poker have federation, korean starcraft, tennis, formula1, gofl... all sports/games have official federation like FIFA but in cs all events dont work together, they only wants win money alone. ESL,WCG, ESWC, KODE5, teams, players, media and all should work together and create a cs federation with shedule, ranking (like ATP in tennis or formula1) and events around the world with big final.
Well, there are many good examples, that's what I meant.
Great that you brought in focus the issue of these "national partners" or "license holders" who don't even send the teams that have qualified. Imagine the pain of these teams who after all the preparation and hardwork they have put in, are told that they won't be going to the main event rendering the qualifier no different from a small lan event.
This is what has been happening in India and many other countries for sometime now (Colombia or Venezuela had a weird incident with police being called if I remember correctly..not sure though). What is the point in raising hopes in a large number of countries with a huge preliminary list when very few among them are actually going to attend the main event?
It is their responsibility to select the right partners who deliver on their promises.
Thanks for raising the issue and for writing a really nice article overall.
This is what has been happening in India and many other countries for sometime now (Colombia or Venezuela had a weird incident with police being called if I remember correctly..not sure though). What is the point in raising hopes in a large number of countries with a huge preliminary list when very few among them are actually going to attend the main event?
It is their responsibility to select the right partners who deliver on their promises.
Thanks for raising the issue and for writing a really nice article overall.
Here, the qualy didn't work out due to the incompetence of the license holder for finding sponsors (the FIFA WC was running those days, fact that has nothing to do with eS, so I find this a poor explanation).
The fact is that the organizer of these qualifiers (usually LocalStrike) do not have serious employees who are able to prepare everything for such an important commitement (as KODE5 or ESWC are).
The fact is that the organizer of these qualifiers (usually LocalStrike) do not have serious employees who are able to prepare everything for such an important commitement (as KODE5 or ESWC are).
Good job. You´ve came with interesting suggestions. This would not solve all the problems you´ve mentioned, but most of them. I´m glad to see people in my country, who are interested in solving the problems connected with eSport.
Who the fuck care about players T-shirts lol. When they will retire they gonna sell their T-shirts on Ebay and to get rich xD
This is way beyond of a simple T-Shirt. This is about the sponsors on them.
seriously?:)
Really? Have you noticed FnaticMSI or Bigfoot and all those sponsors?
Sponsors want their brand associated with top players. This is perhaps the most obvious way to associate themselves with players. wWhen the WCG disallows sponsorship placement it gives companies one less incentive. In the long run this could mean these companies will lose an interest in e-Sports and soon we won't have e-Sports as we know it...
Sponsors want their brand associated with top players. This is perhaps the most obvious way to associate themselves with players. wWhen the WCG disallows sponsorship placement it gives companies one less incentive. In the long run this could mean these companies will lose an interest in e-Sports and soon we won't have e-Sports as we know it...
That's the sponsors war.
Like in marketing, merchandising, everyone try to be more competitive. Killing the system of others, that's what humans do since dawn of time to enrich themselves.
Private property: The guy(or society) who pay everything for the tournament has the right to decide if he want to accept others sponsors or not.
Like in marketing, merchandising, everyone try to be more competitive. Killing the system of others, that's what humans do since dawn of time to enrich themselves.
Private property: The guy(or society) who pay everything for the tournament has the right to decide if he want to accept others sponsors or not.
That's great for them. However I'm not saying that they don't do this. I'm saying it's WRONG that they do this. If you look at any professional league for instance the English Premier League: They have a title sponsor for the whole league (Barclay's Bank).
However this does not mean that teams cannot advertise other companies competing. If WCG wants eSports (not their company, but eSports) to get to a high level, they must adapt.
Otherwise in the long run it will all go downhill for them. eSports will die off with lack of sponsors, teams wont attend their events, and WCG will have no point as a tournament. THEY ARE SHOOTING THEMSELVES IN THE FOOT.
However this does not mean that teams cannot advertise other companies competing. If WCG wants eSports (not their company, but eSports) to get to a high level, they must adapt.
Otherwise in the long run it will all go downhill for them. eSports will die off with lack of sponsors, teams wont attend their events, and WCG will have no point as a tournament. THEY ARE SHOOTING THEMSELVES IN THE FOOT.
I agree with your article whole-heartily but this has become a business. If you don't have people who are directly related to Counter-Strike (or eSports as a whole) you are going to do what you think is right for you and your company without knowing that it probably is the wrong move all along.
While I am not here to make this about ESEA they have and will continue to grow rapidly as they are a company that has two co-owners who have either played at a high level of competition or managed one of the best teams in history.
They know money is hard to come by and they know how the community will react towards certain techniques they use.
CGS / ESWC / WCG ... all of them... they may have/had people helping out with-in the community but in the end the top dogs are people who have no idea about the community but know that it's big enough where they can make money (from the gamers and the sponsors).
Until G7 actually steps up their fight to help e-Sports or someone from with-in (like Arbalet or ESEA) wants to make something big (like CGS/CPL) we will continue to stay where we are and always think about what the future could be like.
While I am not here to make this about ESEA they have and will continue to grow rapidly as they are a company that has two co-owners who have either played at a high level of competition or managed one of the best teams in history.
They know money is hard to come by and they know how the community will react towards certain techniques they use.
CGS / ESWC / WCG ... all of them... they may have/had people helping out with-in the community but in the end the top dogs are people who have no idea about the community but know that it's big enough where they can make money (from the gamers and the sponsors).
Until G7 actually steps up their fight to help e-Sports or someone from with-in (like Arbalet or ESEA) wants to make something big (like CGS/CPL) we will continue to stay where we are and always think about what the future could be like.
countries like India or south america countries have so much cs players and teams but the event never get one oportunity to them
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Tennis_Professionals
cs should use this system, official website, same rules in all events, global ranking with different point system with grand slams eswc, wcg, esl finals for example, ranking and big finals. I dont know why a game that is so popular and very old dont make it, also we need see poker in last years to make cs big, we need follow the same road. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker_tournament
Post edited 2010-07-28 22:22:53
cs should use this system, official website, same rules in all events, global ranking with different point system with grand slams eswc, wcg, esl finals for example, ranking and big finals. I dont know why a game that is so popular and very old dont make it, also we need see poker in last years to make cs big, we need follow the same road. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker_tournament
Post edited 2010-07-28 22:22:53
Been thinking about something as CS World Tour :D would be nice, unfortunely we won't see this coming soon.
A great article........i totally agree with the author....i m from Pakistan...here the WCG license holder is a total jerk...he has a monopoly here...he favors the cs 1.6 team of his city only...he does not pay for the teams qualifying from small cities to come to the city where national finals are held...we qualified from our city but he wont even pick our call and we were unable to contact the organizer till the national finals were finished...thats pathetic....WCG should seriously consider the handing out of the license in each country...bcoz it vital for the survival of the e-sports and WCG as well.....i hope this article brings some postiive changes...!!!!
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