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2011-05-10 03:08
Hi guys - Selam to all muslims.
Apart from me, I think many would like to read what users in this forum that we waste time in, really believe in.
What do you believe in and why? (What have made you realized that 'that' path is the truth?)
If you are religious, are you practicing the teachings, praying?
If you're not 'that' religious, then why follow it? Do you believe if the one you're following is true, but without making a single effort, you're going to paradise?(Asuming you believe in one)
Today, we see some living in luxury (mostly western), while many, MANY are absolutely poor and drying. Does your religious books state of what to do to help them, or are you just trying to be nice? Is it a test of the richer?
Assuming your religion is true - then surely you should be able to solve every single problem in the world, like hunger, economy etc, by just using the book. Not your opinions.
People make decisions from the second they wake up...So we judge alot, let's not lie about that. Freedom of speech - meaning, if you don't like a persons face, doesn't mean you're supposed to say it out loud. If you're flaming on a whole other religion, you're following this so-called-rule "Freedom-of-speech", so how many would get hurt?
- Think twice before flaming, swearing, getting all heated up; what makes you so much better than him/her/them?
We really want to make the earth a paradise. But assuming you're muslim or christian, you know there will be a judgment day.
There are signs of the final hour, no, it's not only the "nature-catastrophes", really, if you are "pure", you might have spotted some signs already. But, only ALLAH/GOD knows the time.
Let's hear your stories
Let's ask each other
Stop being stubborn, start hearing others
Don't start any flaming toward another religion - meaning if your opinion is based on h8 toward anothers, keep it for yourself
Apart from me, I think many would like to read what users in this forum that we waste time in, really believe in.
What do you believe in and why? (What have made you realized that 'that' path is the truth?)
If you are religious, are you practicing the teachings, praying?
If you're not 'that' religious, then why follow it? Do you believe if the one you're following is true, but without making a single effort, you're going to paradise?(Asuming you believe in one)
Today, we see some living in luxury (mostly western), while many, MANY are absolutely poor and drying. Does your religious books state of what to do to help them, or are you just trying to be nice? Is it a test of the richer?
Assuming your religion is true - then surely you should be able to solve every single problem in the world, like hunger, economy etc, by just using the book. Not your opinions.
People make decisions from the second they wake up...So we judge alot, let's not lie about that. Freedom of speech - meaning, if you don't like a persons face, doesn't mean you're supposed to say it out loud. If you're flaming on a whole other religion, you're following this so-called-rule "Freedom-of-speech", so how many would get hurt?
- Think twice before flaming, swearing, getting all heated up; what makes you so much better than him/her/them?
We really want to make the earth a paradise. But assuming you're muslim or christian, you know there will be a judgment day.
There are signs of the final hour, no, it's not only the "nature-catastrophes", really, if you are "pure", you might have spotted some signs already. But, only ALLAH/GOD knows the time.
Let's hear your stories
Let's ask each other
Stop being stubborn, start hearing others
Don't start any flaming toward another religion - meaning if your opinion is based on h8 toward anothers, keep it for yourself
This kind of threads are dangerous ....
I, myself I'm an atheist.
Post edited 2011-05-10 03:12:34
I, myself I'm an atheist.
Post edited 2011-05-10 03:12:34
+1 There is no god. There is no second life don't be naive and be happy of your life
'the one and only'.
CARPE DIEM
Post edited 2011-05-10 07:59:59
'the one and only'.
CARPE DIEM
Post edited 2011-05-10 07:59:59
maybe there is something like god, but i make a big step away from the conservative thoughts
I hope something like "second life" exsist
I think "hope" is not the word, I think the word is "wish".
what happens when you shut your eyes and death comes ? nothing ? I don't believe, I can't, do You ?
I don't believe that either. I'm sure there is a place the soul will go ;)
i believe that too
so , you believe murderer's and raper's will be in very same place as you after death ?
If not who is gonna decide who is going where ? :)
If not who is gonna decide who is going where ? :)
God decides that, and if you have followed his idea in your whole life, then you have a place in his paradise, no matter what you did in your terrain life.
With this theory we have two points:
A psycho killer who is bauptized and has followed this religious idea in his whole life, has the same place in heaven like the one who has lived a regular life and has followed the idea too.
A psycho killer who is NOT bauptized and hasn't followed this religious idea in his whole life, has the same place in hell like the one who has lived a regular life and hasn't followed the idea neither.
Im talking about christianism, what do you think about?
With this theory we have two points:
A psycho killer who is bauptized and has followed this religious idea in his whole life, has the same place in heaven like the one who has lived a regular life and has followed the idea too.
A psycho killer who is NOT bauptized and hasn't followed this religious idea in his whole life, has the same place in hell like the one who has lived a regular life and hasn't followed the idea neither.
Im talking about christianism, what do you think about?
hey see you at E-Zoo bro!
what? :s
you're ArminVanBuuren! You make incredible music!!!! I BOUGHT TICKETS TO YOUR SHOW IN NY THIS YEAR, YOU KNOW, E-ZOO!!! ILL SEE YOU THERE!!!!
Do you have some information if he is coming to creamfield this year in Buenos Aires?
i thought you were arminvanbuuren.....
if there's no second life...i won't lose anything....but if there's one...u will lose everything!
bad english
bad english
+1
thats a big statement to do lol,i dont believe in god aswell but i wouldnt say that theres is no god,theres no second life and stuff like that : P only when youll be death youll be certain of those stuff : P
+1
Religion is the way to control people
Religion is the way to control people
Control who ?You are controled unbelievers (the way you dress up, people have to shave, people have to be thin and anorexic, you have to make up, they tells you that u have just one life, get girls and alcohol, live your life now, and many others...)
what the fck are u talking about?
"The Arrivals".
Is that a movie? And really says that?
It's documentary, don't worry, there are evidences throughout the whole "parts" :P
Worry? I'm not worried at all. Its expected that from zeitgeist documentary will appear another one trying to demostrate that the first one was wrong.
But anyways, what does the documentary says? That because non-believers believe there is no life after death, they will do all that?
And what about the believers from your religion? Don't they inmaculate to get benefits after life? That seem to me so immoral.
Explain me that if I missunderstood what in post #335 is said.
But anyways, what does the documentary says? That because non-believers believe there is no life after death, they will do all that?
And what about the believers from your religion? Don't they inmaculate to get benefits after life? That seem to me so immoral.
Explain me that if I missunderstood what in post #335 is said.
and how the god says i should dress?
i was talking about what fashion and tv are telling us what to wear.
i'm wearing what i like, theese things are personal, if you have strong personality you dont care what TV says :)
I'm not talking about me but most of us don't have a strong personality.
That's nothing to do with Religion though, that's just a cultural shift. You don't have to be religious to be a good person who thinks all of those things are pointless material possessions.
That's the argument I hate, when people confuse religion with morals.
That's the argument I hate, when people confuse religion with morals.
so untrue, a person who don't believe in god, believe that they just have one life, and they don't wanna screw it, so they want to enjoy their life as much as they can, how to ?Enjoy pleasures like food, sex(having a girlfriend isn't like paying a prostitute u got to seduce, so you got to be well-dressed), alcohol etc etc
Yes, people who don't believe in religion believe that we should enjoy life, but there are thousands of different perceptions on what "enjoyment" is. We also don't enjoy life because we're told to enjoy life, whilst religious people do things because they are told to.
I don't really want to have this discussion with you as it's clear you either don't understand my point or you're too stubborn to take in what I've said. Just know that you'll be bitterly disappointed at the end if you think you haven't enjoyed your life ;)
I don't really want to have this discussion with you as it's clear you either don't understand my point or you're too stubborn to take in what I've said. Just know that you'll be bitterly disappointed at the end if you think you haven't enjoyed your life ;)
so untrue Hey, wait a minute. Are you saying we have to believe in god for being good persons? Having sex and eating as much as we like or getting stoned or whatever isn't that bad. Where is the harm? Explain it because I don't simply understand WHAT THE FUCK are you trying to explain us. Your religion has a lot of issues against women morality and rights and homosexual people, and you come here saying that we cannot be good people if we don't believe in god. Did you know that the very first human fought themselves for god belief differences? Yeah right. I will put you an example: pedophile priests, they follow a religion and they believe in a second life. Why doing that then? It makes no sense what you are saying, because obviously there exist the atheist who does what you named for 'enjoying' life as much as they can, and the religious guy who does the same. Anyways, it doesn't have to do anything with religion, but with different choices of how to enjoy life. Maybe you are the one who believes that enjoying life it's the way you say it and named as a so bad way to do it, because you have it banned, but IT IS NOT, some people enjoy life having a family, others being single and fucking every moving thing that goes around, others drinking alcohols on weekends, other drinking just water, and it doesn't have to do with their religion, nor with the god they worship. You don't have a single drop of common sense flowing inside you.
Read this: If I am confused about what I said, just try to back up about what you wrote, just a little, with proofs and facts of why if we don't believe in god, we feel the need to be bad.
Take the prisons in USA, only 0.2% of them are atheits, the others, are religious. Another point disproving your stupid statement.
You can also take secular countries and compare it with religious countries and watch, carefully, the crimes statistics or whatsoever other society harmful point you wanna take, and you will see something surprising. (for you, not for me)
What intrigues me most is knowing that when you confound and someone shows you that what you say, is nonsense (with statistics and proofs), you keep fervently clung to that immoral idea, that those who do not believe, are the bad guys, when nothing has to do with religion or deities, but with different perceptions of how we enjoy life. This makes me think that your opinions or points of view, are based on whims of not being able to accept that you are confused, a lot.
Hope I can get an answer backing up your point: those who do not believe in god, are forced to misbehaving.
Read this: If I am confused about what I said, just try to back up about what you wrote, just a little, with proofs and facts of why if we don't believe in god, we feel the need to be bad.
Take the prisons in USA, only 0.2% of them are atheits, the others, are religious. Another point disproving your stupid statement.
You can also take secular countries and compare it with religious countries and watch, carefully, the crimes statistics or whatsoever other society harmful point you wanna take, and you will see something surprising. (for you, not for me)
What intrigues me most is knowing that when you confound and someone shows you that what you say, is nonsense (with statistics and proofs), you keep fervently clung to that immoral idea, that those who do not believe, are the bad guys, when nothing has to do with religion or deities, but with different perceptions of how we enjoy life. This makes me think that your opinions or points of view, are based on whims of not being able to accept that you are confused, a lot.
Hope I can get an answer backing up your point: those who do not believe in god, are forced to misbehaving.
I don't even want to read your comment, as i already talked to you in the past, and I know that you are a dumb person.
"Take the prisons in USA, only 0.2% of them are atheits" I observe that you are an agressive person by your post, does it mean that atheism brought that temper ?Don't even try to answer to me, I don't wanna argue with mad people (not atheist, you)
Post edited 2011-12-08 19:25:16
"Take the prisons in USA, only 0.2% of them are atheits" I observe that you are an agressive person by your post, does it mean that atheism brought that temper ?Don't even try to answer to me, I don't wanna argue with mad people (not atheist, you)
Post edited 2011-12-08 19:25:16
Yes, expected. You are so idiot that you thought that I was taking that statistic trying to say that atheist are the good guys and religious are the bad guys. But I was trying to explain that doesn't have to do with religion. Try to read so you can understand why you are so wrong.
I observe that you are an agressive person by your post, does it mean that atheism brought that temper ?
You mixed religion with perceptions on how we enjoy life and now you are mixing religion with personalities. Good :))))))))))!!!!! And I am the dumb xD
I observe that you are an agressive person by your post, does it mean that atheism brought that temper ?
You mixed religion with perceptions on how we enjoy life and now you are mixing religion with personalities. Good :))))))))))!!!!! And I am the dumb xD
I observe that you are an agressive person by your post, does it mean that atheism brought that temper ?
It's actually your opinion dude
"Take the prisons in USA, only 0.2% of them are atheits" that's what you said
It's actually your opinion dude
"Take the prisons in USA, only 0.2% of them are atheits" that's what you said
what's the connection between that statistic and my temper? The population in USA it's something like 80% believers and 20% atheists, in prisons, only 0.2% are atheists. Has nothing to do with religion about how we behave in social life, can you got that?
So why talking of it ?
Post edited 2011-12-09 19:13:06
Post edited 2011-12-09 19:13:06
So why talking about not believing in god makes you a bad person when you have no proofs?
Seems to me or it bothers you too much that I've said that most of the people in the USA's prisons are religious people? Again, I have to explain you why I talked about it? It's not an untouchable point since you can talk bullshit withouth any evidence of what you want to say, besides that, you are a very prejudiced person, claiming that we atheists are bad persons or we tend to misbehave for not believing in god. Another thing, if you want to have a discussion with someone, you have to answer the questions that that someone, makes to you, and not avoid the conversation and go out of context. Can you understand what I am saying? I think I have answered your questions but you didn't do the same with me. Where are the evidence of the misbehaviour of atheist for not believing in god? Where is the conection of that statistic with my temper? Don't bother to reply if you have no answer, because you have failed on your supposed theory of atheists misbehaving.
Seems to me or it bothers you too much that I've said that most of the people in the USA's prisons are religious people? Again, I have to explain you why I talked about it? It's not an untouchable point since you can talk bullshit withouth any evidence of what you want to say, besides that, you are a very prejudiced person, claiming that we atheists are bad persons or we tend to misbehave for not believing in god. Another thing, if you want to have a discussion with someone, you have to answer the questions that that someone, makes to you, and not avoid the conversation and go out of context. Can you understand what I am saying? I think I have answered your questions but you didn't do the same with me. Where are the evidence of the misbehaviour of atheist for not believing in god? Where is the conection of that statistic with my temper? Don't bother to reply if you have no answer, because you have failed on your supposed theory of atheists misbehaving.
Lol that wasn't my question. haha
Yes it was, 'so why talking of it'? I answered. That question it's not ambigous and goes just one way, the way I've answered you. And again you are avoiding my questions. Good.
That was definetly not my question, u're lost...
So why you asked 'why talking of it?'. What is 'IT'? I think you are and were referring to the statistic from the prisons in the USA. If not, doesn't make sense all you have say.
forget it, I know what I'm talking about, I know your answer.
Don't really think you know it, but ok.
what you are talking about is christianiy
well except if you think that every religion is wrong because of some religion that was corrupted
well except if you think that every religion is wrong because of some religion that was corrupted
EvErY SiNgLe ReLiGiOn Is CoRrUpTeD
proof ?
Just read the bible, and explain for example, why would christians modify their own book, which the ONLY ONE WHO HAS PROOFS about what the believe
not all religion, but i agree with you for the bible.
The most powerfull religions are all corrupted, say one is not.
islam.
Is that book the one who says male>femmale? or am I wrong?
Never read it.
Never read it.
That's what everyone say but the truth is here : women and men are equal.
So you say it's not corrupted?
I think every single religion is corrupted just because you have to worship a greater being. And who is god to be worship? NOONE had to be worship.
And why are you a muslim? You decided it or you didn't have no choice when you were raised?
And sorry if I was wrong about the male>femmale thing, but that's what always hear, any link or any book that says that is not like that? Maybe the quran itself?
I think every single religion is corrupted just because you have to worship a greater being. And who is god to be worship? NOONE had to be worship.
And why are you a muslim? You decided it or you didn't have no choice when you were raised?
And sorry if I was wrong about the male>femmale thing, but that's what always hear, any link or any book that says that is not like that? Maybe the quran itself?
I decide to be a muslim because of the scientific revelation of the qu'ran written 1400 years ago, how can the human write a book without scientific mistakes, in the desert ?
http://www.submission.info/perspectives/women/equality.html
http://www.submission.info/perspectives/women/equality.html
One of the most misunderstood areas in Islam is that of the position of women in the religion.
So thats what I see in every single religion, why always missunderstanding the signs that "god" writes in his books? It seems to me or according to the society perspective, men change it.
Post edited 2011-05-11 19:50:53
So thats what I see in every single religion, why always missunderstanding the signs that "god" writes in his books? It seems to me or according to the society perspective, men change it.
Post edited 2011-05-11 19:50:53
you mean that the qu'ran has been changed just after scientific facts ?My father read the qu'ran, 40 years ago, it is the same book, not a letter less or more. And it has always been the same book.
http://www.ummah.com/ifsa/pages/section2/authenticity.htm
http://www.ummah.com/ifsa/pages/section2/authenticity.htm
No, you are reading wrong, I didn't say the quran has been changed. Read my last quote again please. What I meant with "men change it", and with "I see it in every single religion" is that, there are always changes in the way of seing it, to make people more loyal to it.
Post edited 2011-05-11 20:01:43
Post edited 2011-05-11 20:01:43
Ah my mistake. In the qu'ran i'm not seing what you are describing.
What im describing is that some muslim missunderstand what says the quran, my question is why? I cannot understand.
And I wrote: I think every single religion is corrupted just because you have to worship a greater being. And who is god to be worship? NOONE had to be worship.
And I wrote: I think every single religion is corrupted just because you have to worship a greater being. And who is god to be worship? NOONE had to be worship.
Missunderstand ?My question is what verse.
A god who want an adoration and dislike the ppl who are saying that he doesn't exist and insult believers of ignorant is totally comprehensible.
A god who want an adoration and dislike the ppl who are saying that he doesn't exist and insult believers of ignorant is totally comprehensible.
Yes, it says it in the link you have me, shall I quote it?
God's behavior is moral because he's God, and God defines morality. At most, the caller could've argued that God is moral from his own perspective, but that doesn't mean he's moral from ours. The mafia-boss comparison is spot on. God is breathtakingly cruel. He created us and Hell knowing full well that we'd fuck up and go there, and for the terrible crime of not realizing he exists! If that's not twisted and barbaric, I don't know what is. God is a real dick. - some user from youtube.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vYKZe_Svno&feature=related">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vYKZe_Svno&feature=related</a>
Don't you see it?
Post edited 2011-05-11 20:46:14
God's behavior is moral because he's God, and God defines morality. At most, the caller could've argued that God is moral from his own perspective, but that doesn't mean he's moral from ours. The mafia-boss comparison is spot on. God is breathtakingly cruel. He created us and Hell knowing full well that we'd fuck up and go there, and for the terrible crime of not realizing he exists! If that's not twisted and barbaric, I don't know what is. God is a real dick. - some user from youtube.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vYKZe_Svno&feature=related">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vYKZe_Svno&feature=related</a>
Don't you see it?
Post edited 2011-05-11 20:46:14
I never send you that.
No, you sent me the link about the male>femmale thing, that's a video, which answer your statement about worshipping god, and a comment from that video from a random guy of youtube.
This is his opinion but he talks without any base.
Did you watched the video? What you mean about talks without any base? That guy had been a christian like for 20/30 years, how couldn't he talk without any base, if he has studied the bible, and many sciences, he realized that what he was doing was wrong. And he says in another video (not exact words): "You won't keep searching for the truth, unless you find the answers. Religion is the one who simulates to give us answers and difficults our knowledge."
If YOU really thinks he talks and talks with no arguments, then you are wrong, and then you should see some videos of that program.
If YOU really thinks he talks and talks with no arguments, then you are wrong, and then you should see some videos of that program.
1. I was talking about the comment
2. I know that in the bible there is many mistakes, and it's written in the qu'ran that men changed the old holy books.
2. I know that in the bible there is many mistakes, and it's written in the qu'ran that men changed the old holy books.
1. Well, talking about the comment, he is using the bible as a base for his statement, what better to use? He could use your quran too :)
2. They changed the old holy books, and also they wrote them.
2. They changed the old holy books, and also they wrote them.
1. Bible is not a good base because as you said, it is corrupted, and he can't do this with the qu'ran.
2. For the muslims, god gave relevations to prophets, and they wrote thse revelations in books, but ppl after them changed it contains.
2. For the muslims, god gave relevations to prophets, and they wrote thse revelations in books, but ppl after them changed it contains.
1.hahahaha, how is not the bible used as a good base? as he is complaining about what his creator wrote there? and yes he can do it with the quran too, because in quran god also defines morality.
2. so you are saying the books were changed? i don't understand, if so, it's so contradictory.
2. so you are saying the books were changed? i don't understand, if so, it's so contradictory.
1.it is corrupted
2.You don't understand that ppl changed their own book ?There is a documentary on this in internet : St Paul who had never meet jesus made his own bible, and this is the bible of nowadays.
2.You don't understand that ppl changed their own book ?There is a documentary on this in internet : St Paul who had never meet jesus made his own bible, and this is the bible of nowadays.
1. OF COURSE IT IS CORRUPTED, what I want you to understand is that he is complaining about it, and what consequences produce in society, what BETTER ARGUEMENT THAT THE BIBLE AND THE SOCIETY ITSELF?
2. Yes, I already know that christians changed their only proof book of god existance, but you wrote: 2. For the muslims, god gave relevations to prophets, and they wrote thse revelations in books, but ppl after them changed it contains. You made me understand quran was changed.
By the way, how old are you? 16?
Post edited 2011-05-11 22:27:49
2. Yes, I already know that christians changed their only proof book of god existance, but you wrote: 2. For the muslims, god gave relevations to prophets, and they wrote thse revelations in books, but ppl after them changed it contains. You made me understand quran was changed.
By the way, how old are you? 16?
Post edited 2011-05-11 22:27:49
The qu'ran was not changed because the bible has been changed before muhammad's birth, so before the qu'ran, you don't know that qu'ran is the last holy book ?
Post edited 2011-05-11 22:50:35
Post edited 2011-05-11 22:50:35
For me there hasn't been one holy book in Earth. But anyways, what that has to do with this?
"You made me understand quran was changed. "
How ?
How ?
How? Because of what you wrote, read up that quote.
Yes but how did it make you understand that qu'ran has been change?
Post edited 2011-05-11 23:05:04
Post edited 2011-05-11 23:05:04
The scientific proofs were known before. Archimedes knew the moons light was reflected 2000 years ago; The Chinese knew the world was round 2500 years ago; And there is no fucking barrier between fresh and salt water.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
You must be kidding,
your religion is not seen with good eyes and one of the reasons is that.
You must be kidding,
your religion is not seen with good eyes and one of the reasons is that.
If you think that, so you know nothing about my religion, how dare can you judge something that you don't know ?Our prophet said "the best of us, is the man who has the best behaviour with his wife" Now i think that you can open your mouth.
sure, having 20 women at his sofa.
... u are proving and other time that u know nothing about islam, if u can't be equal with your wives (4 max) so just marry one, try again bro.
yeah, the way you're talking about them prooves how much do you respect. You're talking having 4 or 3 wives like having 4 or 3 chocolates.
whatever.Arguing with crazy guys it's non my scene.
whatever.Arguing with crazy guys it's non my scene.
lol ?I'm not talking of having 4 wives like having chocolates, don't get me wrong buddy, stop being mad of islam and learn to respect people, this is what islam about, respect and peace, but you just listen other ppl who insult islam and have stereotypes of this religion, but man, you know nothing about it.
"Arguing with crazy guys it's non my scene." crazy guy ? why did i insult you ?Am I mad with u ?
"your religion is not seen with good eyes" So try to see it good not with prejudices.
"Arguing with crazy guys it's non my scene." crazy guy ? why did i insult you ?Am I mad with u ?
"your religion is not seen with good eyes" So try to see it good not with prejudices.
so only christianiy is a way to control people? other aren't? ahahah
Same. Atheist from my 8th year.
same, ever since I knew what it meant :]
now don't get me wrong, I respect people that believe in God/Allah or whatever, IMO it's just a huge hoax to control people and have them do stuff for someone's own greatness; example not based on facts, but basic common sense and knowlage: When Caesar asked the gods weather they accept him as a Solo-Leader, if yes, send white doves, if no, Send black ravens. all this time perhaps had people in the backyard (so-called) who had a cage of white doves waiting for the victory trumpets or what not:P
now don't get me wrong, I respect people that believe in God/Allah or whatever, IMO it's just a huge hoax to control people and have them do stuff for someone's own greatness; example not based on facts, but basic common sense and knowlage: When Caesar asked the gods weather they accept him as a Solo-Leader, if yes, send white doves, if no, Send black ravens. all this time perhaps had people in the backyard (so-called) who had a cage of white doves waiting for the victory trumpets or what not:P
God and Allah is the same, allah is just the arabic word.
Btw how can religion control people ?You are controled (the way you dress up, people have to shave, people have to be thin and anorexic, you have to make up, they tells you that u have just one life, get girls and alcohol, live your life now, and many others...)
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Btw how can religion control people ?You are controled (the way you dress up, people have to shave, people have to be thin and anorexic, you have to make up, they tells you that u have just one life, get girls and alcohol, live your life now, and many others...)
Post edited 2011-07-16 16:44:05
Religion was used as a tool to control people before we actually knew what all of this shit (life) meant. Imagine living in the Dark Ages with absolutely no idea about the world around you and no clue what's up in space. It was a world without morals and a world that had no consequence for actions, people were frightened, and quite rightly so.
Then religion was implemented. It tells people how they should feel, think and live their lives with the ultimate threat at the end: if you don't do it this way you will spend "The Afterlife - whatever the hell that means" suffering in hell.
It was used as a tool to control the masses, it is no longer required and only breeds contempt and hate for others. It has also been the cause of more wars and battles than any other thing since the dawn of mankind.
Then religion was implemented. It tells people how they should feel, think and live their lives with the ultimate threat at the end: if you don't do it this way you will spend "The Afterlife - whatever the hell that means" suffering in hell.
It was used as a tool to control the masses, it is no longer required and only breeds contempt and hate for others. It has also been the cause of more wars and battles than any other thing since the dawn of mankind.
LOL, and that's how religion was born, to control ppl because they had no idea, this is what my friend, we call fairy tales. you are obviously saying bullshits.
And an all powerful creator of everything who watches over us and invites us into his paradise if we're good on earth but banishes to the pits of hell if we're bad isn't fairytales.
You're the perfect example as to why religion should be abolished in modern society, because it breeds ignorance and stupidity.
You're the perfect example as to why religion should be abolished in modern society, because it breeds ignorance and stupidity.
what i belive is ppl made us think there is "god" so you dont think in "Dead thats what my philosophy teacher said and i belive in him .. what he said made me realize we are made for eat sleep and birth new generations!
like every life form in our planet
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Allah used me to touch his haram... dirty Allah is dirty
this topic is full of shit... let s talk about cs and not about things some idiot put here!
I recommend watchin' "The Arrivals".
its Zeitgeist, not Geitgeist, by some reason i can't edit my post
You can only edit it for a certain amount of time, like 10 minutes after you posted it, I think.
1 of the video from "The Arrivals" also explains about Zeitgeist.
Just one question, why ALLAH/GOD are "men"?
Holy "Father"...not hard to work out thats its a man
Allah is not father.
there is no holly father.. this is the most basic failure in christianity... in the Bible Jesus clearly says that there is only one god, and that Jesus together with all the other people have the same god, in the other side, christians say that there are 3 gods (a trinity) the holy father, the son, and the holy ghost... so actually this is what can get people confused...
The Bible says there´s one God in 3 persons.
ALLAH is not a man
So ALLAH is a woman?
keep thinking like a simpleton it suits you well
you shouldn't bother yourself much after all whether they believe in God or not it will only affect them
Yes you are right, in the end these ignorants' comments only annoy you and even when you give them proofs they won't admit it.
I've never seen any proofs of any god form existance.
dude , do you have eyes ? O_O
Explain to me this , how did universe create itself ?
Explain to me this , how did universe create itself ?
Gravity acting on particles?
look your hand please :))
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://mahediblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/p-allah1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://mahediblog.wordpress.com/2011/04/16/&us..:&tbnh=139&tbnw=114&ei=hP8eTprwAsnNswaA-cGhAg&prev=/search%3Fq%3DAllah%2Bin%2Bhand%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D861%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=390&page=1&ndsp=33&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&tx=29&ty=7
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://mahediblog.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/p-allah1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://mahediblog.wordpress.com/2011/04/16/&us..:&tbnh=139&tbnw=114&ei=hP8eTprwAsnNswaA-cGhAg&prev=/search%3Fq%3DAllah%2Bin%2Bhand%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D861%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=390&page=1&ndsp=33&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&tx=29&ty=7
So now you expect that I will look my hand and there will be the evidence of god?
You are insulting me.
You are insulting me.
Hahahah +1
seriously, can't believe it :S
I argued once on this topic but it's just useless, they see the things they want to even if it's not there.
Me too, but they keep answering.
I've never seen any proofs of any god form existance. i showed you
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Post edited 2011-07-15 00:10:33
Ok get a mirror and look your ass hole. I showed you proof of the begining of the universe.
i tried it, and it shows you
Hehe nice comeback, I admit it. But your "proof" is still stupid and childish, so I was showing you how dumb can people be by saying that if I look at my hands I can find evidence of god. Nice and I am satisfied that scientists didn't thought in that simple way.
that's a very bold statement..
ALLAH is not a human being.
So what is it?
U simply can`t define god the capacity of our brain is too low to solve this mistery =)
You simply can't define god because you don't know him (no one does). Just as simple like that.
look if god would appear and we`d see him then all people would believe in him it`d be way to easy ...god gave us facts around us it`s now only @the person who wants to believe or not the god
No, god didn't give you facts, you are just the one who wants to believe that those "facts" are coming from a grater being. And of course if god appear in front of me I would believe in him. Why is he being so mysterious?
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Post edited 2011-05-10 21:47:23
He wants you to have that much strong faith in him that u believe him whithout seeing him , believing in him by just looking around u and saying how can this be just coicidence there must be something greater after all this
Something greater, hmmmmmmmm, let me think, PHYSICS!!!!!!
My last words to you, cause we are going no where with this, think in what would have you believed, if there were no religions, no bible, etc.
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My last words to you, cause we are going no where with this, think in what would have you believed, if there were no religions, no bible, etc.
Post edited 2011-05-10 22:13:36
think in what would you have believed if there was no science , physics etc.
P.S i`m not christian
P.S i`m not christian
LOL, I REALLY LOLED HARD AND HAVE TO ANSWER YOU THIS, IF THERE WEREN'T NO PHYSICS WE WOULDN'T EXIST, ARE YOU SERIOUS? sorry for the caps, but you are talking bullsh1t.
P.S me neither
P.S me neither
i ask u a simple question were Physics came from , or y physics apply ?
Is it necessary to explain something that is everywhere and is the fact that why things happen?
yes i know but Y? like y there is gravity, Y our earth in our solar system is at the perfect distance for sun y fire is hot and when burns give light? thats y i ask where physics came from is all that by chance?
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Of course it is by chance, there are millions of planets, the rules of the physics are just one. So now you are trying to tell me that god put the sun at that distance from earth and he created gravity for not to be floating everywhere? Its just a matter of time mate, science will clear all this out :)
I'll be waiting, also I would like to see some evidence about the other million planets.
I meant millions of planets with no life. The physics are given in earth to create life, can you understand what im saying?
And it's funny, cause I quoted you like 5 times before and never got an answer. It seems to me or you were reading my replies expectating that I make a mistake?
Ah, and you also cheked my profile.
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And it's funny, cause I quoted you like 5 times before and never got an answer. It seems to me or you were reading my replies expectating that I make a mistake?
Ah, and you also cheked my profile.
Post edited 2011-05-11 01:20:36
I still want to see the evidence of the million of planets. Mars, Jupiter and the others haven't got no life either, so why can you prove only 7?
I checked your's, 'cause you check mine, what does this have to do with anything, lol?
I checked your's, 'cause you check mine, what does this have to do with anything, lol?
That you read my posts and didn't answer them?
Universe is infinity, there are extrasolar planets, many of them, and I think theres some kind of formula to estimate how many planets are around the universe, I would have to investigate. Millions of planets, is just a way of saying, but noting universe is infinity you never know.
So you see more logical that life and planets were created by a mystical force called "God" (which you never have seen), instead of seeing physics were the responsable for that, which is a force you see and notice every day? Good for you! Nice way of thinking. But expected from a islam fan brainwashed guy.
And I dind't visited your profile till this moment. Haven't you noticed me in your thread?
I have 100 posts and 80 are in yours.
Post edited 2011-05-11 01:52:36
Universe is infinity, there are extrasolar planets, many of them, and I think theres some kind of formula to estimate how many planets are around the universe, I would have to investigate. Millions of planets, is just a way of saying, but noting universe is infinity you never know.
So you see more logical that life and planets were created by a mystical force called "God" (which you never have seen), instead of seeing physics were the responsable for that, which is a force you see and notice every day? Good for you! Nice way of thinking. But expected from a islam fan brainwashed guy.
And I dind't visited your profile till this moment. Haven't you noticed me in your thread?
I have 100 posts and 80 are in yours.
Post edited 2011-05-11 01:52:36
Planets aren't things that once were created and are stationary. In fact, once our known Sun exhausts its hydrogen the Earth as we know will be destroyed, as will this life form if we haven't been able to achieve interstellar travel with good enough efficiency at that point.
Stars and planets are created by matter left from previous stars and planets, and as we know it, the universe is pretty old and will probably "live" pretty long as well. I find it pretty unlikely that this exact planet is and will always be the only one that saw the evolution of living organisms..
Post edited 2011-05-11 01:51:31
Stars and planets are created by matter left from previous stars and planets, and as we know it, the universe is pretty old and will probably "live" pretty long as well. I find it pretty unlikely that this exact planet is and will always be the only one that saw the evolution of living organisms..
Post edited 2011-05-11 01:51:31
so all this by chance the whole universe,life on earth etc all by chance ok since u believe in science (statistic) then probability of all this happening is almost impossible when compared to a tornado passing through a junkyard make and exact copy of Boeing 747 that works. if all universe is by chance then this could happen every other day.... dont u think that. we human most complexed beings are a result of chance then boeing 747 is nothing?
Of course I believe in science, without it, we wouldn't have progressed the much we have. You believe in magic? There's an explanation for EVERYTHING that happens in this world, universe, galaxy, and it is more logical, believing that all of this happen by chance, and not by magic. You know what I mean? Read my posts and you will know what I think about, what believe, what I complain about.
I will put you an example, that has been already used and suits perfect in here:
When there was a thunder long time ago, people thought: "this is an action from a god!!" and they give a name to the god that made that action, the same, with rain, tornados, and everything they couldn't explain. You are acting the same as they did, and I ask you, why thinking like that? Haven't this happen many times ago?
I will put you an example, that has been already used and suits perfect in here:
When there was a thunder long time ago, people thought: "this is an action from a god!!" and they give a name to the god that made that action, the same, with rain, tornados, and everything they couldn't explain. You are acting the same as they did, and I ask you, why thinking like that? Haven't this happen many times ago?
i dont believe in magic.i never said that all this is magic. and btw i also believe in science big bang etc what i am trying to tell u is that all life cannot be a chance there must be an explanation that explanation comes in form of Quran. like i said in the post "quran came 1400 years ago and explain alot of things that science recently proves. like quran tell moon has borrowed light 1400 years ago who knew that? quran says metal was sent to earth, who knew 1400 years ago that metal cannot be formed in earth it came from outer space science proves that but recently not 1400 years ago . and there are many other examples." so what science prove now quran explain many many year ago. so in this case islam as religion is greater then science. another thing that from the start till now not a single word in quran changed where as other religious scriptures may have changed there is only one and only one version of quran(language may channge) and that is a fact. so religion comes first then comes science if u put science first then all things will be messed up.
Well, ok, but if you don't believe in magic how could a book came itself to Earth?
I dind't read the quran and I would have to, I admit it. But im sure I won't change my mind. If that books says all that, it's something that scientists, you or me can't explain, and I take the truth of what I see everyday, like I say before, physics.
Seing that the quran writers could write that and don't know how, has no explanation. And I think science will be always higher than religion, because religion can't save you, it can only make more damage to the world like it did before.
I dind't read the quran and I would have to, I admit it. But im sure I won't change my mind. If that books says all that, it's something that scientists, you or me can't explain, and I take the truth of what I see everyday, like I say before, physics.
Seing that the quran writers could write that and don't know how, has no explanation. And I think science will be always higher than religion, because religion can't save you, it can only make more damage to the world like it did before.
well all i can say u just read the quran for ur self cos u will agree with me that what ever the case(science>religion or religion>science) truth is always greater then lies. so only one way to prove that is to read quran dont watch any video or documentry(i can give u many) but just read it u so u can know the truth by ur self, like if i want to know about u i will read ur profile written by u by my self not ask ur friend about u i hope u know what i mean.
Of course thats all you can say: "read the quran". And considering you take it as the only truth and knowledge, talking to you, is worthless, because you have been brainwashed. And you keep avoiding my questions.
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Post edited 2011-05-12 10:34:25
i am not avoiding any of ur question and see this is the problem, i have studied science and also read quran(and still study both quran and science) but u havent read quran yet and u still judging it. it is like there are 2 cars Lamborghini and Ferrari i have driven both cars so i am saying ferrari is better on ohter hand u have driven only Lamborghini and u saying it is better.so u see all that u apply on me apply on u.
Yep, and I asked you if you believed in magic, you tell me that you didn't, but you believe a book came itself to Earth. What is it?
And look, I've already stated all what I think in this posts, and seen that is worthless to argue (both parts). But I will always say, is that people like you, will always be limited by that only truth, called quran or bible, in their respectives cases.
And look, I've already stated all what I think in this posts, and seen that is worthless to argue (both parts). But I will always say, is that people like you, will always be limited by that only truth, called quran or bible, in their respectives cases.
ok book never came it self to earth it was brought in chapter or verse by verse by an angel to our holy Prophet(PBUH).
see again u have one perspective that is science and i have both perspective and believe me science make's us limited. things that science cannot explain quran does. and also if u think that i dont believe in science then u r wrong i follow science.
see again u have one perspective that is science and i have both perspective and believe me science make's us limited. things that science cannot explain quran does. and also if u think that i dont believe in science then u r wrong i follow science.
Well and then you go again, you believe in angels, well I tell you I believe in Dragons.
How can explain quran things that science can not? Of course I can proof something that it doesn't exist with made up proofs, that neither exist. I don't get your point, explain me.
How can explain quran things that science can not? Of course I can proof something that it doesn't exist with made up proofs, that neither exist. I don't get your point, explain me.
well remember that true religion will never contradict with true science but with theories it may contradict. like theory of evolution and life by chance etc. that's y i was insisting u to read and study quran believe what ever u want but read quran u will find out that quran never contradict with science. cos it is true word of Allah.study any religion then think, dont judge all religion without knowing them. and have u ever studied any religion?
And again, "you have to read the quran, because it's Allah's word". And no matter if I read the bible or the quran, I won't worship a god in my life, less an immoral one, but maybe reading them I could learn something about history, or maybe that there is a cure for every single desease, or that Earth looks like an egg, or that there will be more earthquakes in the future, or that moon and starts are enlightned. O_O
And no, I've never studied any religion, and no, I'm not judging every religion without reason, because I see what's the problem that causes in people that follows it.
Btw are you the guy on feisbook who ask me if I was marian_t in here? Just curious.
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And no, I've never studied any religion, and no, I'm not judging every religion without reason, because I see what's the problem that causes in people that follows it.
Btw are you the guy on feisbook who ask me if I was marian_t in here? Just curious.
Post edited 2011-05-13 12:28:06
hahahaha u find it funny that i dont use facebook :P so that is not me. so u did want to study and religion or not that ur choice. and also if u study them mb u find something more about science. so take care and best of luck.
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Post edited 2011-05-13 12:34:41
Ah sorry.
I would say I am too lazy to read them, but I think that if I study the bible or the quran, deeply, I would be more straight to my ideas. And I live in a religious society, and went to a religious school, so I can tell you I can judge them.
For example, they knew I was an atheist, I am not bauptized, and they wanted me to "convert" to christianism by saying that "Lots of great thinkers, believed in a powerful force"
Yep, ok same to you, dind't read the edited part.
Post edited 2011-05-13 12:41:10
I would say I am too lazy to read them, but I think that if I study the bible or the quran, deeply, I would be more straight to my ideas. And I live in a religious society, and went to a religious school, so I can tell you I can judge them.
For example, they knew I was an atheist, I am not bauptized, and they wanted me to "convert" to christianism by saying that "Lots of great thinkers, believed in a powerful force"
Yep, ok same to you, dind't read the edited part.
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because you can't refer to God as a woman, well I don't think you even care you are just trolling
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA why can't you refer them as women?
1/ refering to God as a woman is similar to thinking of him as a mother which is wrong. God create, that's different from birth.
2/ male is always the superior gender, when you imagine someone strong, smart and mighty will you imagine a women? no. It's simple God isn't a she or he but we refer to him as he because a woman is always seen as someone fragile and weak. It's like in many languages where there is a plural pronoun for female and male, when there is one man and thousand women what would the plural be? it would be the one for male. It's quite simple, we refer to God as he because we can't refer to God as she.
Btw what's up with that laugh? are you on drugs or something? because seeing what you are writing there, it could be true.
2/ male is always the superior gender, when you imagine someone strong, smart and mighty will you imagine a women? no. It's simple God isn't a she or he but we refer to him as he because a woman is always seen as someone fragile and weak. It's like in many languages where there is a plural pronoun for female and male, when there is one man and thousand women what would the plural be? it would be the one for male. It's quite simple, we refer to God as he because we can't refer to God as she.
Btw what's up with that laugh? are you on drugs or something? because seeing what you are writing there, it could be true.
I would ask the pope when he is preaching if he is in drugs too
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So, only a human perspective then? Females are massively dominant in many other species. And according to all religions, they are created by god/allah/whatever as well. Right?
Here's a little example.
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/angler
I know it's put up in a funny way but it it 100% true. You can cross reference with boring bio articles as well.
Here's a little example.
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/angler
I know it's put up in a funny way but it it 100% true. You can cross reference with boring bio articles as well.
well , if we were fishes we`d refer god as SHE but as we are human beings and the superior gendre of humans are men we refer to god as HE , u`ve to call him in a way so there`s no SPECIAL term to reference God that`s why we call god as HE (even though it`s still wrong b/c god has no gender)
Kindly refer to #120. I didn't express myself clearly. I was making the same point as him, plus my illustration reference.
link pls ..too many posts :ss
nvm found it
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nvm found it
Post edited 2011-05-10 21:18:29
ctrl + f helps :P
I'm trolling? why? :|
what does he say after Allah ?
(SWT) ????????????' and what does it mean ?
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(SWT) ????????????' and what does it mean ?
Post edited 2011-05-10 04:03:20
SWT="Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala", meaning: "may He be glorified and exalted"
if life is eternal,, why do we need to regret of our sins before dying ? why are we only judged while on earth... we have all the eternity to regret or whatever......
Im not atheist I think.. but I believe in my own things.. which doesn't match with any religions I know,,
actually I dont know very well what I do believe,, but I know what I do not,, and this judgement day is one of those.
Im not atheist I think.. but I believe in my own things.. which doesn't match with any religions I know,,
actually I dont know very well what I do believe,, but I know what I do not,, and this judgement day is one of those.
God has given humans free will. Meaning, you can choose what path you wanna walk. You can be blinded by the false, and walk the truth, ever thought about that? There's no humans that is perfect; Our moods changes all the times, but Gods doesn't - God is perfect.
Life on earth is not eternal. Life in hereafter is eternal. Consider life here as a test.
For example, when you get your grades, you'll either be accepted in university or not, depending on how your grades are.
Think back about how "you are doing in life". Drinking, partying, "living the american dream"...Even you, yourself know that you don't deserve an reward, right?
If curiosu - Ask more :>
Life on earth is not eternal. Life in hereafter is eternal. Consider life here as a test.
For example, when you get your grades, you'll either be accepted in university or not, depending on how your grades are.
Think back about how "you are doing in life". Drinking, partying, "living the american dream"...Even you, yourself know that you don't deserve an reward, right?
If curiosu - Ask more :>
Im curios.
So I assume you believe in Islam.
How do you comment wife beating, which is allowed in islam and nicely written down in Qoran. Qoran says that "men are "superior", men have "authority"". And also, if wife who has been beated and goes to court against his man, she is turned down( in countries where law is based on qoran)and the court can't do anything about it.
So that is what you believe in.. How is this even a slightly tolerable and acceptable?
So I assume you believe in Islam.
How do you comment wife beating, which is allowed in islam and nicely written down in Qoran. Qoran says that "men are "superior", men have "authority"". And also, if wife who has been beated and goes to court against his man, she is turned down( in countries where law is based on qoran)and the court can't do anything about it.
So that is what you believe in.. How is this even a slightly tolerable and acceptable?
If you don't get your answer here, or in the "related" videos, then ask again :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1FYvtjH5uM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1FYvtjH5uM
Im not gonna watch any video you give me, im not gonna waste my time. Can't you just simply give me a straight answer, an explanation? Is it really that hard ? Ask Allah, maybe he helps you with your answer?
Why would I want to write a whole novelle something that you don't really care about. All your replies to me have been offensive, so I'm giving you a video whom a guy who knows more than me, who can give you better answer.
So you believe in something that you can't understand or explain yourself ?
No need to write a whole novel, couple of sentences is enough or even 20, as far you can provide me a solid clear answer.
And as I said before, Im not gonna watch some brainwashing videos, and I won't read any verses.
Altough Im eagerly waiting for some islam guy to answer me, I already know that there really can't be any rational or tolerable reason for beating your wife. Vilonce against women can't be allowed. All people are equal and should be treated same.
No need to write a whole novel, couple of sentences is enough or even 20, as far you can provide me a solid clear answer.
And as I said before, Im not gonna watch some brainwashing videos, and I won't read any verses.
Altough Im eagerly waiting for some islam guy to answer me, I already know that there really can't be any rational or tolerable reason for beating your wife. Vilonce against women can't be allowed. All people are equal and should be treated same.
How can you call him brainwashed, when he's answering you from a true islamic perspective using the Quran. But you think you're not being brainwashed by me, a random guy on a forum? :S
Still no asnwer for #120!!!!!!!!!
Im not gonna watch the video, just leave it there.
Now back to answering #120!!!!!!!
Im not gonna watch the video, just leave it there.
Now back to answering #120!!!!!!!
He is just a fan, no matter what you tell him, he won't change his opinion.
Bro , i will answer you.
What the Quran says is something alot different from what u understood.
Now reading it in arabic is the best way to understand it because of the language differances.
Now to what you asked , sup "men are "superior"" superior which is translated from arabic to english means (in arabic ) that the HUSBAND should take care of the family and he's the guy should take the last decision of the family problems (specialy the big ones) and also means he should work and get money for his family , and Islam doesn't ask the wife to do it (help with the financial) , unless she wants to.
What the Quran says is something alot different from what u understood.
Now reading it in arabic is the best way to understand it because of the language differances.
Now to what you asked , sup "men are "superior"" superior which is translated from arabic to english means (in arabic ) that the HUSBAND should take care of the family and he's the guy should take the last decision of the family problems (specialy the big ones) and also means he should work and get money for his family , and Islam doesn't ask the wife to do it (help with the financial) , unless she wants to.
dear friend... there is no verse in Qur'an that says you can beat your wife. There are punishments for some things the wife might have done, and they will be beaten, but not by their man, and the same punishments will be done for man if they "commit" the same things. I don't know if I was clear enough.
arabic words have many meanings in other languages. so first u have to know arabic well to understand the qu´ran perfect. and "men beating women is allowed" is a statement from not educated/fooled persons who say that it is written in the qu´ran, what´s not the truth at all.
well, maybe i can´t convince you , but the best way is that you read the qu´ran first , doesn´t matter which prejudgements you have. ( in your own language. the qu´ran is translated good to other languages but never can have the perfectly same meaning as it is written in the original (arabic).)
well, maybe i can´t convince you , but the best way is that you read the qu´ran first , doesn´t matter which prejudgements you have. ( in your own language. the qu´ran is translated good to other languages but never can have the perfectly same meaning as it is written in the original (arabic).)
He just sends videos about this "Dr Zakir Naik".
His life is based on that guys explanations.
His life is based on that guys explanations.
lol +1
Islam did not allow beating wife, quran said that the men have the ultimate permission to take decision even if the wife did not accept, she has to obey her husband, and quran never allowed beating wives AT ALL,and about the court part, I totally disagree with you, i live in a country where is law is based on Quran, and if such a thing happened to a wife the law will punish her husband for such a thing, Islam is merciful religion.
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"and quran never allowed beating wives AT ALL"
It seems you haven't read quran then.
And the court part is also right. I have read about it, seen documental films and my professor in comperative law has talked about it..
It seems you haven't read quran then.
And the court part is also right. I have read about it, seen documental films and my professor in comperative law has talked about it..
I'm reading Quran from time to time so you can't tell me that i don't, and i know it very well.
as for the court part, It's up to you to believe your professor or to believe a citizen from a Muslim country. ;)
as for the court part, It's up to you to believe your professor or to believe a citizen from a Muslim country. ;)
u've seen documental films ? i've read the quran a looot of times , and the quran really never allowed beating wives , there iz only a part about the storry of the prophete "daoud" and hiz wife whoz has been fooled by satan so he swered whene he'll recover from hiz sickness he'll hit her 100 times (dunno how to say it in english, sorry =P), but god told to hit her only one time just to not break hiz swear , people alwayz quote this part to prove that quran alowz it but i promise my friend the quran prohibit completly beating wives in many "ayates"
really sorry for the english ( and dont believe everything that people say...yeah dont believe me either just read the quran and believe ur self =PP)
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really sorry for the english ( and dont believe everything that people say...yeah dont believe me either just read the quran and believe ur self =PP)
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last year there was a case about an afghan girl whose nose and ears were cut off because she tried to escape from her marriage. also images of women being stoned to death?? female circumcision?? this kind of savage behavior makes people think islam is a dangerous and barbaric religion
i'm not saying that the quran allows this, but there are people who do these atrocities in the name of religion.
ps. i'm all against institutionalized religion
i'm not saying that the quran allows this, but there are people who do these atrocities in the name of religion.
ps. i'm all against institutionalized religion
That's true there are many wrong actions in the name of religion, There area many radical Muslims in Afghanistan and other countries but that does not reflect the real picture of the Islam because each religion has a radical side, and we are arresting them here in our country if we found one of them because they are not considered to be Muslims, they are terrorists.
i agree with you. when i think about islam the first things that come to my mind are the maurish monuments in spain, the taj mahal, avicenna, islamic geometry, arithmetics. that should be the real image of islam but unfortunately some muslims are still stuck in a condition similar to the european dark ages. it's like they went backwards instead of forwards
"men have the ultimate permission"
"she has to obey her husband"
Again, man superiority over female. it's hard to find a religion with other ways of thinking..
"she has to obey her husband"
Again, man superiority over female. it's hard to find a religion with other ways of thinking..
Yeah, and that's why the divorce rate is so much higher in non-Muslim country's than Muslim country's.
And btw, the religion doesn't say men are superior to women.
And btw, the religion doesn't say men are superior to women.
Just out of curiosity and knowledge. Do women have the right do the "Talaq x 3" thing for divorce as wellm according to islam?
doesn't say, just imply :)
What has divorce rate to do in this arguent ?
High divorce rate shows that people are have free will and can do anything they want and some stupid religion is not holding them back???
Imo, It speaks against Islam. Maybe it shows that even if wives are unhappy in islamic marriage, they wont divorce because they are not allowed or they are afraid of their husband or relatives or whatever, just quessing here... Altouh I already predict that it is something like that. Or what?
High divorce rate shows that people are have free will and can do anything they want and some stupid religion is not holding them back???
Imo, It speaks against Islam. Maybe it shows that even if wives are unhappy in islamic marriage, they wont divorce because they are not allowed or they are afraid of their husband or relatives or whatever, just quessing here... Altouh I already predict that it is something like that. Or what?
Please. Please. Please. Do not post FALSE claims from the Qur'aan you ignorant scumbag. If you don't know what you're talking about, don't spill bull-crap. The Qur'aan doesn't say ANYTHING about Men being superior or being allowed to 'hit' his wife unnecessarily.
I've read the Qur'aan. Qur'aan says the man has additional responsibilities to the family than the woman, and that responsibility is to protect and take care of his wife, this makes it sound like he is superior, but it no where mentions that man is more superior than a woman. Secondly, the Qur'aan doesn't mention ANYWHERE that the man is allowed to beat the woman for no reason. The Qur'aan states that man must warn the woman for the wrong-doing she is committing in a polite manner, but if she resists and resists, the final ultimatum is that he should hit the woman VERY lightly, not causing any wound or scratch on her. If you still aren't convinced, then I suggest you watch the video posted above instead of being a stubborn prick. If you really are "curious" like you mentioned, then surely one video wouldn't do much harm?
I've read the Qur'aan. Qur'aan says the man has additional responsibilities to the family than the woman, and that responsibility is to protect and take care of his wife, this makes it sound like he is superior, but it no where mentions that man is more superior than a woman. Secondly, the Qur'aan doesn't mention ANYWHERE that the man is allowed to beat the woman for no reason. The Qur'aan states that man must warn the woman for the wrong-doing she is committing in a polite manner, but if she resists and resists, the final ultimatum is that he should hit the woman VERY lightly, not causing any wound or scratch on her. If you still aren't convinced, then I suggest you watch the video posted above instead of being a stubborn prick. If you really are "curious" like you mentioned, then surely one video wouldn't do much harm?
So... it's allowed to beat woman if there is a valid reason ?
GFTO muslim scumbag!
Beating your wife is not tolerable whatever are the reasons!!! Can't you get it ? Violence is what your god teaches you ?
GFTO muslim scumbag!
Beating your wife is not tolerable whatever are the reasons!!! Can't you get it ? Violence is what your god teaches you ?
You clearly didn't read what I just typed. Does the Qur'aan say to beat the shit out of your wife till she pleads "Stop, you're knife is way to deep inside my intestines!" NO!
The Qur'aan says to hit your wife LIGHTLY. Wouldn't you hit your child lightly if he/she would do something wrong like try to commit suicide or anything that crosses the line? Well Islam says you can beat your wife ONLY if she crosses the line, same case like the child. KNOW BEFORE YOU BARK IMBECILE!
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The Qur'aan says to hit your wife LIGHTLY. Wouldn't you hit your child lightly if he/she would do something wrong like try to commit suicide or anything that crosses the line? Well Islam says you can beat your wife ONLY if she crosses the line, same case like the child. KNOW BEFORE YOU BARK IMBECILE!
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lightly is an ambiguous term. One islamic court rejected a beaten, fractured wife's case because light beating was allowed and cited the reason that anything that is not life threatening comes under "light beating".
Then they were wrong to reach that conclusion. But I can assure you that Islam is against that :)
Well, objectively speaking, you are in no position to claim that. I do understand that you as an individual think that it is wrong. But are you saying that people who write the islamic law and run islamic courts are wrong? They should be highly read professors of the religion. Experts of sorts, isn't it?
I am in position because I have read and understood the Qur'aan. And we, Muslims, know that the Scholars have in the past made some wrong decisions, this being one of them.
I am not even trying to interpret what means what in the Quran. My basic point was that ambiguous words lead to multiple interpretations and you can not prove any one of them wrong as they depend from person to person. Your view is "correct" because we live in a modern world and that would probably be the opinion of a big majority.
Some verses from The Holy Quran
1. Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls.
The Quran in Sura 65:1, 4 says: 65:1 O Prophet, when you [and the believers] divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting—period and count the waiting—period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden.
2. Husbands may hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives (quite apart from whether they actually are highhanded).
The Quran in Sura 4:34 says: 4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great.
3. A husband may simply get rid of one of his undesirable wives.
The Quran in Sura 4:129 says: It is not within your power to be perfectly equitable in your treatment with all your wives, even if you wish to be so; therefore, [in order to satisfy the dictates of Divine Law] do not lean towards one wife so as to leave the other in a state of suspense.
4. A man may be polygamous with up to four wives.
The Quran in Sura 4:3 says: And if you be apprehensive that you will not be able to do justice to the orphans, you may marry two or three or four women whom you choose. But if you apprehend that you might not be able to do justice to them, then marry only one wife, or marry those who have fallen in your possession.
5. Slave—girls are sexual property for their male owners.
The Quran in Sura 4:24 says: And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands [as prisoners of war] . . .
6. A wife may remarry her ex—husband if and only if she marries another man and then this second man divorces her.
The Quran in Sura 2:230 says: And if the husband divorces his wife (for the third time), she shall not remain his lawful wife after this (absolute) divorce, unless she marries another husband and the second husband divorces her. [In that case] there is no harm if they [the first couple] remarry
7. A woman’s testimony counts half of a man’s testimony.
The Quran in Sura 2:282 says: And let two men from among you bear witness to all such documents [contracts of loans without interest]. But if two men be not available, there should be one man and two women to bear witness so that if one of the women forgets (anything), the other may remind her.
8. A male gets a double share of the inheritance over that of a female.
The Quran in Sura 4:11 says: The share of the male shall be twice that of a female . . . .
9. Husbands are a degree above their wives.
The Quran in Sura 2:228 says: Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status . .
10. A husband has sex with his wife, as a plow goes into a field.
The Quran in Sura (Chapter) 2:223 says: Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like . . .
1. Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls.
The Quran in Sura 65:1, 4 says: 65:1 O Prophet, when you [and the believers] divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting—period and count the waiting—period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden.
2. Husbands may hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives (quite apart from whether they actually are highhanded).
The Quran in Sura 4:34 says: 4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great.
3. A husband may simply get rid of one of his undesirable wives.
The Quran in Sura 4:129 says: It is not within your power to be perfectly equitable in your treatment with all your wives, even if you wish to be so; therefore, [in order to satisfy the dictates of Divine Law] do not lean towards one wife so as to leave the other in a state of suspense.
4. A man may be polygamous with up to four wives.
The Quran in Sura 4:3 says: And if you be apprehensive that you will not be able to do justice to the orphans, you may marry two or three or four women whom you choose. But if you apprehend that you might not be able to do justice to them, then marry only one wife, or marry those who have fallen in your possession.
5. Slave—girls are sexual property for their male owners.
The Quran in Sura 4:24 says: And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands [as prisoners of war] . . .
6. A wife may remarry her ex—husband if and only if she marries another man and then this second man divorces her.
The Quran in Sura 2:230 says: And if the husband divorces his wife (for the third time), she shall not remain his lawful wife after this (absolute) divorce, unless she marries another husband and the second husband divorces her. [In that case] there is no harm if they [the first couple] remarry
7. A woman’s testimony counts half of a man’s testimony.
The Quran in Sura 2:282 says: And let two men from among you bear witness to all such documents [contracts of loans without interest]. But if two men be not available, there should be one man and two women to bear witness so that if one of the women forgets (anything), the other may remind her.
8. A male gets a double share of the inheritance over that of a female.
The Quran in Sura 4:11 says: The share of the male shall be twice that of a female . . . .
9. Husbands are a degree above their wives.
The Quran in Sura 2:228 says: Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status . .
10. A husband has sex with his wife, as a plow goes into a field.
The Quran in Sura (Chapter) 2:223 says: Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like . . .
You clearly didn't read what I just typed. Does the Qur'aan say to beat the shit out of your wife till she pleads "Stop, you're knife is way to deep inside my intestines!" NO!
The Qur'aan says to hit your wife LIGHTLY.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAA I JUST LOLED.
The Qur'aan says to hit your wife LIGHTLY.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAA I JUST LOLED.
Funny eh? Why don't you quote what I said after that :)
Typical ignorant atheist troll.
Typical ignorant atheist troll.
Well, thats what you say your books says, and stop callling me ignorant, 'cause thats what we both are, with the difference that I do not have my mind limited by a religion :)
Just because you are ignorant it doesn't make me ignorant. I know much more about religion than you, which makes me more knowledgeable in this subject than you.
Haha, ok ok. You win. God created everything, I am a muslim now, are you happy now?
and stop callling me ignorant, 'cause thats what we both are, with the difference that I do not have my mind limited by a religion :)
Pretty much this.
Couldn't have said it better :)
Pretty much this.
Couldn't have said it better :)
Thank you.
Mr.Khan, I'm very disappointed with this comment of yours, you supported men physically hurting women!
#446
Supporting your point. Allah said that men are superior, but then himself applied it to only a some of the species (humans one of them). What about anglerfish, bees, ants etc. :D
Supporting your point. Allah said that men are superior, but then himself applied it to only a some of the species (humans one of them). What about anglerfish, bees, ants etc. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1FYvtjH5uM
you can find an answer if u are really seeking for one.
we should rather stick to e-sports then discussing disadvantages of other religions.
you can find an answer if u are really seeking for one.
we should rather stick to e-sports then discussing disadvantages of other religions.
Zakir naik is the biggest retard the world has ever seen. I have probably watched more of his videos than you have, purely for entertainment value. About wife beating. Refer to the talk from #477 and below.
i already told you if you are trying to find an answer then you would have.
if u didnt they i guess you are here for entertainment.
if u didnt they i guess you are here for entertainment.
I am absolutely open to the answers, but Zakir naik only gives a huge load of half arsed bullcrap. Any intelligent, educated, rational person could only laugh at his arguments. Hence the entertainment.
Dont see him has Zakir Naik. I can give you many more vidoes like this of other
scholars too. Its just that you need to find your answer if you really wanted to you would have already found out.
anyways you are my brother just like everyone. I respect your thoughts would not prefer fighting on religions. Everyone has it's own and i respect everyones religion.
scholars too. Its just that you need to find your answer if you really wanted to you would have already found out.
anyways you are my brother just like everyone. I respect your thoughts would not prefer fighting on religions. Everyone has it's own and i respect everyones religion.
Of course i'm not disrespecting anyone. I'm just asking questions. And please, do point me to these videos you talk about. But, i would request make sure that they are intelligent and rational. Not just based on circular logic like in most videos.
100% agree
In the eyes of the atheist he is the biggest retard the world has ever seen.
In the eyes of the Muslims and countless he has converted, he is just a well-educated Muslim.
I respect him for his knowledge, but I dislike his approach in how he preaches it because he's very aggressive and doesn't take the feelings of people of other religious beliefs into account.
But you cannot deny he is a well-educated person. I'm guessing he offended your religion?
In the eyes of the Muslims and countless he has converted, he is just a well-educated Muslim.
I respect him for his knowledge, but I dislike his approach in how he preaches it because he's very aggressive and doesn't take the feelings of people of other religious beliefs into account.
But you cannot deny he is a well-educated person. I'm guessing he offended your religion?
1. I don't have a religion.
2. He is not well educated, science wise. His facts and education is half arsed.
2. He is not well educated, science wise. His facts and education is half arsed.
His facts and education is half arsed.
Care to elaborate on that? I hope you do realize he has attended many scientific debates with Professors of high ranks. Yet you claim he isn't well educated, but in fact he is way more educated than you. A guy who has an MBBS from University of Mumbai, where are you studying again?
Thanks for your time :)
Care to elaborate on that? I hope you do realize he has attended many scientific debates with Professors of high ranks. Yet you claim he isn't well educated, but in fact he is way more educated than you. A guy who has an MBBS from University of Mumbai, where are you studying again?
Thanks for your time :)
I'm a physics enthusiast ever since i was a small. My education has nothing to do with it. I am an Engineer though, currently doing my MBA from Ghaziabad.
And I have seen about 40-50 Zakir Naik Videos. The basic physics "facts" that he tries to harmonize with the Qu'raan themselves are flat out wrong. Hence i question his level of understanding of the subject. And then their is his understanding of simple logic that is challenged. I would love to dig those videos up for you, but i really don't wish to listen to a word that man says in my life again.
And I have seen about 40-50 Zakir Naik Videos. The basic physics "facts" that he tries to harmonize with the Qu'raan themselves are flat out wrong. Hence i question his level of understanding of the subject. And then their is his understanding of simple logic that is challenged. I would love to dig those videos up for you, but i really don't wish to listen to a word that man says in my life again.
The fact that you are not willing to back up your claims kind of makes me wonder ;) But anyways, he is human, and if he has made a mistake regarding a few basic physics principles, then he is wrong to have done so. But I can assure you, 99% of the stuff he speaks about are true since I, myself, have read the Qur'aan and know what he is talking about but not up to the level of understanding that he has.
I have more understanding of science than Quran, hence i can only comment about the science part of it.
I am speaking about the science part as well.. And I'm still waiting for the wrong scientific claims that Mr. Naik has made according to you ;)
Okay, you called for it.
Zakir Naik said that Quraan states that earth is the shape of an ostrich egg (not just egg), which is flattened oval like shape, which is the same as earth, since earth is marginally flatter at poles.
Practically speaking, earth is spherical. Not on the human scale of course, but the earth is a smoother sphere than a tournament specification pool ball. The difference between and furthest and the nearest point of earth's surface from the center of the earth is less than 0.01%.
Zakir Naik said that Quraan states that earth is the shape of an ostrich egg (not just egg), which is flattened oval like shape, which is the same as earth, since earth is marginally flatter at poles.
Practically speaking, earth is spherical. Not on the human scale of course, but the earth is a smoother sphere than a tournament specification pool ball. The difference between and furthest and the nearest point of earth's surface from the center of the earth is less than 0.01%.
hahaha, you're grasping at straws mate.
That's your reply?
It has been proved that the earth is very similar shaped to an ostrich egg... I don't know why you are disputing this. Quite funny actually.
Oh, is it proven? I'd like to see your proof. And i'm not disputing it. I'm rejecting it.
http://www.universetoday.com/25893/is-the-earth-round/
http://www.universetoday.com/25893/is-the-earth-round/
Yes he is educated, and yes he showed utter disrespect towards Hinduism. Can one ever imagine a Hindu leader preaching Hinduism in a Muslim country? If anyone tries he'll soon be executed.
Again, another ignorant fool who hasn't read the Qur'aan but will jump into any moment to criticize it.
Firstly, I'm ashamed that you are an Indian. And secondly, you are one of the reasons why Muslims and Hindus still can't live in peace in our country.
LEARN ABOUT THE RELIGION BEFORE BARKING FALSE FACTS ABOUT IT.
The Qur'aan doesn't say that man is more superior than women, the Qur'aan says the man has additional responsibilities to the family than the woman, and that responsibility is to protect and take care of his wife, this makes it sound like he is superior, but it no where mentions that man is more superior than a woman.
Firstly, I'm ashamed that you are an Indian. And secondly, you are one of the reasons why Muslims and Hindus still can't live in peace in our country.
LEARN ABOUT THE RELIGION BEFORE BARKING FALSE FACTS ABOUT IT.
The Qur'aan doesn't say that man is more superior than women, the Qur'aan says the man has additional responsibilities to the family than the woman, and that responsibility is to protect and take care of his wife, this makes it sound like he is superior, but it no where mentions that man is more superior than a woman.
I'm ashamed i am called an indian too, thank you very much. And i'm not one of the reasons for why 2 organized groups of people can't live in peace. I hate both of them equally for brainwashing people and programming kids like you when you were infants.
My "fact" was based on what the threadstarter said to me, somewhere in this thread. And from whatever i have read in the past.
The translation of Qu'raan is always changed to fit with whatever the "scholars" want to fit it with.
Only a few decades ago, and i know this for a fact, based on proper evidence, it was an accepted fact that Qu'raan meant men to be superior and a woman was supposed to comply to all of his father/husband's wishes.
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My "fact" was based on what the threadstarter said to me, somewhere in this thread. And from whatever i have read in the past.
The translation of Qu'raan is always changed to fit with whatever the "scholars" want to fit it with.
Only a few decades ago, and i know this for a fact, based on proper evidence, it was an accepted fact that Qu'raan meant men to be superior and a woman was supposed to comply to all of his father/husband's wishes.
Post edited 2011-05-12 11:19:49
Yeah, I've been brainwashed by my parents... :( Unfortunately my parents didn't have the level of knowledge about the religion to speak to me about its affairs, so I had to study the religion by myself. Then I studied other religions as well such as Christianity and Hinduism because unlike you, I do not bark like an ignorant fool, I learn about the subject and then speak out my views. I suggest before you start sharing your interpretations of what the Qur'aan says, you should read the Qur'aan before making false accusations.
And by the way, your claim that the scholars change the translation to according what they see fit is just hilarious. Think of it this way, a book 1400 years ago predicting 100's of a facts, lets say half of them were "changed translations" like you say, which is AGAIN a long shot, 50 true scientific discovery predictions? That too written by an uneducated, illiterate person? Hmmmmm something is fishy here, wait, let me just blame it on the scholars :)
And by the way, your claim that the scholars change the translation to according what they see fit is just hilarious. Think of it this way, a book 1400 years ago predicting 100's of a facts, lets say half of them were "changed translations" like you say, which is AGAIN a long shot, 50 true scientific discovery predictions? That too written by an uneducated, illiterate person? Hmmmmm something is fishy here, wait, let me just blame it on the scholars :)
I have read the (translation of) Qu'raan. But then the islamic "scholars" are quick to jump and say that they are not accurate because they are translations and i don't understand arabic and hence in no position to comment.
And please tell me one prediction of the Qu'raan which was announced to the world BEFORE the scientists came up with the results themselves.
The egg-shaped earth extract from Qu'raan for example. They manipulated the translation to "Ostrich egg" later on.
And please tell me one prediction of the Qu'raan which was announced to the world BEFORE the scientists came up with the results themselves.
The egg-shaped earth extract from Qu'raan for example. They manipulated the translation to "Ostrich egg" later on.
The universe is expanding. The water-cycle. Reproduction, big-bang theory. Listen theres too many, you can just youtube it if you feel like. I've already mentioned 4.
The egg-shape claim you make is totally blasphemous because the word used for "egg" in the Qur'aan is translated to an "ostrich egg". This is butt-obvious and no one par you is disputing that. If you would like me to prove to you further I am willing to do so.
The egg-shape claim you make is totally blasphemous because the word used for "egg" in the Qur'aan is translated to an "ostrich egg". This is butt-obvious and no one par you is disputing that. If you would like me to prove to you further I am willing to do so.
let's just take one at a time...
The big bang theory. The islamic scholars described it BEFORE the scientists found it out?
Please don't shit yourself man. Be honest to yourself. You know damn well that islam has maintained for ages that "Earth and the universe was created in 6 days" and Earth and the sky were brought together by Allah. And that earth was laid out (flat) and mountains were placed on top of it and sky was the ceiling. It's very recent that islamic scholars have started to try and sync it with science by changing the translations.
The big bang theory. The islamic scholars described it BEFORE the scientists found it out?
Please don't shit yourself man. Be honest to yourself. You know damn well that islam has maintained for ages that "Earth and the universe was created in 6 days" and Earth and the sky were brought together by Allah. And that earth was laid out (flat) and mountains were placed on top of it and sky was the ceiling. It's very recent that islamic scholars have started to try and sync it with science by changing the translations.
That is all mentioned in the Qur'aan but what you are speaking about is how the EARTH was formed... I'm talking about the BIG-BANG THEORY which is how the Universe was formed.
Are you sure you're a physics student?
Are you sure you're a physics student?
Yes, i am. But i now start to doubt how well you have studied Quran. And the earth creation part of Quran is exactly the part which is shoved into the big bang now.
1st day : there was nothing
2nd day : there was smoke
I don't remember it day wise, but i believe you know what i mean to point to.
They do it by saying that "days" just means large periods of time and then the different phases of big bang are forced on top of it. And this only happened after scientists adequately explained big bang.
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1st day : there was nothing
2nd day : there was smoke
I don't remember it day wise, but i believe you know what i mean to point to.
They do it by saying that "days" just means large periods of time and then the different phases of big bang are forced on top of it. And this only happened after scientists adequately explained big bang.
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They use the word "days" for us to understand easier. What you are talking about is explained with great detail in videos you can find in youtube.
I have, and as i said before, they are shamelessly forcing it to comply with science facts and they are not doing it too well because they haven't studied science as thoroughly as they have "studied" their religion.
for fucks sake, the 6 periods of time aren't even remotely the same in how long they are. They are orders of magnitudes apart from each other.
1st day = x thousand years
2nd day = y million years
3rd day = z billion years
And if the writer really cared about making stuff easier to understand, we wouldn't be still interpreting meanings after 1000s of years of research.
But then you'll say that is picking straws as well?
for fucks sake, the 6 periods of time aren't even remotely the same in how long they are. They are orders of magnitudes apart from each other.
1st day = x thousand years
2nd day = y million years
3rd day = z billion years
And if the writer really cared about making stuff easier to understand, we wouldn't be still interpreting meanings after 1000s of years of research.
But then you'll say that is picking straws as well?
I didn't say the entire Qur'aan was written in a way to make it easy for us to understand.
I said the usage of the word "Days" was used to make it easier for us to understand. Re-read my post again.
I said the usage of the word "Days" was used to make it easier for us to understand. Re-read my post again.
Right. So, all of a sudden, between all the "not caring", the writer felt that he should write the word "days" for "extended periods of time". When factually speaking, we can perfectly perceive the idea of "period of time" and don't need it to be depicted as "days".
I think this is the point where you have stopped even trying to make sense and your arguments have completely deteriorated from an objective point of view. So, i will quit this discussion and head out to get my dead speakers fixed.
I think this is the point where you have stopped even trying to make sense and your arguments have completely deteriorated from an objective point of view. So, i will quit this discussion and head out to get my dead speakers fixed.
LOL? That's because I am not providing an argument, I am just telling you the reason why the Prophet used the word "Days" instead of "Long period of time". And why are you looking at a grammatical error and ignoring the whole concept of the fact itself? The point is that the Qur'aan speaks about the Big-Bang theory, yet there is no book or scripture that reveals the knowledge the Qur'aan had BEFORE It's existence.
who told u those things .......... u said "How do you comment wife beating, which is allowed in islam and nicely written down in Qoran. Qoran says that "men are "superior", men have "authority"". And also, if wife who has been beated and goes to court against his man, she is turned down( in countries where law is based on qoran)and the court can't do anything about it." just tell me that verse in which that is written. Any single verse. First give a proof then i'll explain
Some Quran verses which blatantly encourage violence against women:
1. Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls.
The Quran in Sura 65:1, 4 says: 65:1 O Prophet, when you [and the believers] divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting—period and count the waiting—period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden.
2. Husbands may hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives (quite apart from whether they actually are highhanded).
The Quran in Sura 4:34 says: 4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great.
3. A husband may simply get rid of one of his undesirable wives.
The Quran in Sura 4:129 says: It is not within your power to be perfectly equitable in your treatment with all your wives, even if you wish to be so; therefore, [in order to satisfy the dictates of Divine Law] do not lean towards one wife so as to leave the other in a state of suspense.
4. A man may be polygamous with up to four wives.
The Quran in Sura 4:3 says: And if you be apprehensive that you will not be able to do justice to the orphans, you may marry two or three or four women whom you choose. But if you apprehend that you might not be able to do justice to them, then marry only one wife, or marry those who have fallen in your possession.
5. Slave—girls are sexual property for their male owners.
The Quran in Sura 4:24 says: And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands [as prisoners of war] . . .
6. A wife may remarry her ex—husband if and only if she marries another man and then this second man divorces her.
The Quran in Sura 2:230 says: And if the husband divorces his wife (for the third time), she shall not remain his lawful wife after this (absolute) divorce, unless she marries another husband and the second husband divorces her. [In that case] there is no harm if they [the first couple] remarry
7. A woman’s testimony counts half of a man’s testimony.
The Quran in Sura 2:282 says: And let two men from among you bear witness to all such documents [contracts of loans without interest]. But if two men be not available, there should be one man and two women to bear witness so that if one of the women forgets (anything), the other may remind her.
8. A male gets a double share of the inheritance over that of a female.
The Quran in Sura 4:11 says: The share of the male shall be twice that of a female . . . .
9. Husbands are a degree above their wives.
The Quran in Sura 2:228 says: Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status . .
10. A husband has sex with his wife, as a plow goes into a field.
The Quran in Sura (Chapter) 2:223 says: Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like . . .
1. Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls.
The Quran in Sura 65:1, 4 says: 65:1 O Prophet, when you [and the believers] divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting—period and count the waiting—period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden.
2. Husbands may hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives (quite apart from whether they actually are highhanded).
The Quran in Sura 4:34 says: 4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great.
3. A husband may simply get rid of one of his undesirable wives.
The Quran in Sura 4:129 says: It is not within your power to be perfectly equitable in your treatment with all your wives, even if you wish to be so; therefore, [in order to satisfy the dictates of Divine Law] do not lean towards one wife so as to leave the other in a state of suspense.
4. A man may be polygamous with up to four wives.
The Quran in Sura 4:3 says: And if you be apprehensive that you will not be able to do justice to the orphans, you may marry two or three or four women whom you choose. But if you apprehend that you might not be able to do justice to them, then marry only one wife, or marry those who have fallen in your possession.
5. Slave—girls are sexual property for their male owners.
The Quran in Sura 4:24 says: And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands [as prisoners of war] . . .
6. A wife may remarry her ex—husband if and only if she marries another man and then this second man divorces her.
The Quran in Sura 2:230 says: And if the husband divorces his wife (for the third time), she shall not remain his lawful wife after this (absolute) divorce, unless she marries another husband and the second husband divorces her. [In that case] there is no harm if they [the first couple] remarry
7. A woman’s testimony counts half of a man’s testimony.
The Quran in Sura 2:282 says: And let two men from among you bear witness to all such documents [contracts of loans without interest]. But if two men be not available, there should be one man and two women to bear witness so that if one of the women forgets (anything), the other may remind her.
8. A male gets a double share of the inheritance over that of a female.
The Quran in Sura 4:11 says: The share of the male shall be twice that of a female . . . .
9. Husbands are a degree above their wives.
The Quran in Sura 2:228 says: Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status . .
10. A husband has sex with his wife, as a plow goes into a field.
The Quran in Sura (Chapter) 2:223 says: Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like . . .
-You can't beat your wife, except in a case where she does mischeif, and you cant beat her severely with your hands, and a type of beating which does not cause any bruises or bleeding , remeber if your wife does mischeif its not the first step to beat her, there are many steps before it.
-i dont know from what verse you quoted that men are superior. And if it is there as you say it would mean that they have the responsibilty over them as women are weak in sometimes like if she is pregnant his husband should take care of her, it can be understood from this verse :But the men have a degree over them [in responsibility and authority]. And Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.[2:228]
-And if a woman goes to a court with complaints for her husband she should not be turned down if that country is based on QURAN.
PS: please if you base your opinion on what you hear from media and people who are the enemies of islam dont listen to them, rather read the quran its available on the inet in any language, and if you want to ask anything about the true Islam ask here http://islamqa.com/en
hope you can understand islam better.peace
-i dont know from what verse you quoted that men are superior. And if it is there as you say it would mean that they have the responsibilty over them as women are weak in sometimes like if she is pregnant his husband should take care of her, it can be understood from this verse :But the men have a degree over them [in responsibility and authority]. And Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.[2:228]
-And if a woman goes to a court with complaints for her husband she should not be turned down if that country is based on QURAN.
PS: please if you base your opinion on what you hear from media and people who are the enemies of islam dont listen to them, rather read the quran its available on the inet in any language, and if you want to ask anything about the true Islam ask here http://islamqa.com/en
hope you can understand islam better.peace
We HAVE a free will. Nobody gave it to us, this is just us, human beings made throughout the evolution.
Hmm ?
So lemme tell you a story happened with me.
Once i was chillin taking a walk in the park , and suddenly i saw some pieces of metal joining by ITSELF and got in perfect to make a perfect car.
You believe me , don't you?
Dude , even the smallest CAR-TOY got on it's ASS "MADE IN CHINA"
and the universe with no creater ?
So lemme tell you a story happened with me.
Once i was chillin taking a walk in the park , and suddenly i saw some pieces of metal joining by ITSELF and got in perfect to make a perfect car.
You believe me , don't you?
Dude , even the smallest CAR-TOY got on it's ASS "MADE IN CHINA"
and the universe with no creater ?
Ofcourse, it's called millions of years of evolution.
And don't compare US to THINGS. We're not mechanical, we're biological.
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And don't compare US to THINGS. We're not mechanical, we're biological.
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Lol u actully believe this shit insted of beleiving in God?
Going to the big-bang(?) theory , it is right and mentioned in the Quran.
But this doesn't mean there is no God..
The materials made this "big bang" created by whoom?
EDIT : am not comparing , but if THINGS can't be created unless there is a creater , how about US , HUMAN BEINGS , SOULS...
Post edited 2011-05-10 20:01:59
Going to the big-bang(?) theory , it is right and mentioned in the Quran.
But this doesn't mean there is no God..
The materials made this "big bang" created by whoom?
EDIT : am not comparing , but if THINGS can't be created unless there is a creater , how about US , HUMAN BEINGS , SOULS...
Post edited 2011-05-10 20:01:59
You spent too much time in the religion class instead of biology class or physics for sure man.
And thanks for respecting my beliefs. Did I call your God shit? Even if I personally think it's all shit with the God theory I'm not hurting anybody.
And thanks for respecting my beliefs. Did I call your God shit? Even if I personally think it's all shit with the God theory I'm not hurting anybody.
Oh , i do respect your beliefs , i used "shit" word to refer to the other things not exactly meant shit (by speedy typing) , my bad sorry:)
But about the class thing , NO , i don't get any religion classes nor biology:)
and i get some good marks on physics too so..
Doesn't mean i can't believe in God.
But about the class thing , NO , i don't get any religion classes nor biology:)
and i get some good marks on physics too so..
Doesn't mean i can't believe in God.
Why is it that absolutely EVERYTHING is found in Quran only after scientists find it out, backed with solid proof?
So your saying that people did change the Quran? So it says it now?
You do know , that only trying 2 change a letter in the Quran on the public will make WW3 on it ?
You do know , that only trying 2 change a letter in the Quran on the public will make WW3 on it ?
Do you honestly believe people didn't make the Bible or Quran up? :)
Yes i believe they can't , why?
Well because if you know any guy can talk arabic , even arab-teachers will tell u how it is impossible for any HUMAN being to create it, simply because it's God's speach.
Now i do think that the Bible is changed, why? There is alot of evidiances to proove it. But Quran is not changed , nor will be.
Well because if you know any guy can talk arabic , even arab-teachers will tell u how it is impossible for any HUMAN being to create it, simply because it's God's speach.
Now i do think that the Bible is changed, why? There is alot of evidiances to proove it. But Quran is not changed , nor will be.
Quran was written by man, just because it's called "the word of God" doesn't really change the reality so good game ;)
You proved that you only know the shells but not the inside, as I said it's not about the name..
It's about the Quran itself which can't be "written" by any man.
And If you (or any man) can write only 1 setntence as meaningful as the Quran (in arabic ofc) then i will change to atheist.
It's about the Quran itself which can't be "written" by any man.
And If you (or any man) can write only 1 setntence as meaningful as the Quran (in arabic ofc) then i will change to atheist.
I don't know arabic but as a journalist and a PR specialist I bet I could.
Anyways I'm not here to prove there's no God, believe what you want. Just so you know there's no such thing as "Quran" couldn't have been written by man. It's make-believe made obviously by men.
Anyways I'm not here to prove there's no God, believe what you want. Just so you know there's no such thing as "Quran" couldn't have been written by man. It's make-believe made obviously by men.
I only want 2 prove there is God.
Okey peace:)
Okey peace:)
No, what i'm saying is that they make up interpretations in a desperate attempt to synchronize it with science, so that the quran and hence the religion could stay relevant.
Well they are relevant , but Quran ain't that science either .. and if you noticed I only mentioned it and didn't it use it as evidiance..
I am using mind as one.
I am using mind as one.
I didn't say you used it as an evidence. The Islamic scholars do. Zakir Naik? Or whatever his name is.
I don't even listen to him.
He's someone trying to convince you in Islam which you can't get convinced to unless you believe in God first.
So i use "God" not "Allah"
Okey , let's play a game , I ask 1 Question u answer then you ask 1 Question and I will answer. About God's belivin.
lemme start:)
Where did the universe come from?
He's someone trying to convince you in Islam which you can't get convinced to unless you believe in God first.
So i use "God" not "Allah"
Okey , let's play a game , I ask 1 Question u answer then you ask 1 Question and I will answer. About God's belivin.
lemme start:)
Where did the universe come from?
I don't know that for sure, yet. But it PROBABLY came from a single point in space (big bang).
Are we the only life forms in the world?
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Are we the only life forms in the world?
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No, there is Gin's lives with us but we can't see nor feel.
Devils are the bad Gins and the good Gins we call Gins.
They get judged and got their own life as well.
Where did that point and space and the materials made the big bang come from?
Devils are the bad Gins and the good Gins we call Gins.
They get judged and got their own life as well.
Where did that point and space and the materials made the big bang come from?
The initial point was just 3 forces(or was it 4? i don't exactly remember). We don't yet know much about the point as the time itself is understood to start from the moment big bang started. (That also answer your next question "where did the point come from?". We don't know yet.)
And where did all the matter of the big bang come from?
E = mc^2
Well, it's a bit more complicated then that now, since we know more than we knew in early 1900s, but that's a good starting point.
My original question was, DO you think there are other life forms on other planets? I hope the question is clear this time around.
And where did all the matter of the big bang come from?
E = mc^2
Well, it's a bit more complicated then that now, since we know more than we knew in early 1900s, but that's a good starting point.
My original question was, DO you think there are other life forms on other planets? I hope the question is clear this time around.
I do now, if you want my answer : then yes i do believe there is. But my religon point of view is that it's some thing that should not be cared about cuz it will not change a thing. (So yes the Quran didn't say anything about life forms outside this planet.)
I see that you don't know , but let's go a little bit simpler , how come you create something from nothing?(the point you don't know about) OR how can you create a thing without creater? is it Luck?
I see that you don't know , but let's go a little bit simpler , how come you create something from nothing?(the point you don't know about) OR how can you create a thing without creater? is it Luck?
What we do not know is where the point came from, as i already said. We have a fairly good understanding of going from that point to where we are now. And that's not a small achievement, mind you. Only under 500 years of astronomical studies, not even been away from our planet yet and we still know this about our HUGE MASSIVE GIANT universe. Of course there is no answer to where the point came from at this moment, and religion would want to capitalize that by saying "God put the point there".
As soon as science finds answers. Religions always makes another new theories capitalizing on the thing that science is yet to explain.
Science is defenseless against this question right now, because it doesn't make up stories, but i'm sure we would know in another 100-200 years, where and how the point got there.
As soon as science finds answers. Religions always makes another new theories capitalizing on the thing that science is yet to explain.
Science is defenseless against this question right now, because it doesn't make up stories, but i'm sure we would know in another 100-200 years, where and how the point got there.
I don't think this is going anywhere anymore :D
So peace , was good arguing with you:)
and yea let's see what will they come up with.
1 last thing , It's hard for me to explain alot of things , cuz am not even close to being called religous..
Yea i make sins and alot but i got a God i go back 2 , besides it's hard to explain these things in English(not my native.)
Peace.
So peace , was good arguing with you:)
and yea let's see what will they come up with.
1 last thing , It's hard for me to explain alot of things , cuz am not even close to being called religous..
Yea i make sins and alot but i got a God i go back 2 , besides it's hard to explain these things in English(not my native.)
Peace.
English isn't my native language either. What i want to say is pretty well explained here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmj7i_BLEvA
Have a look if you may.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmj7i_BLEvA
Have a look if you may.
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I will , thanks.
But not now, cause i have calculas2 final in 2 days.
Wish me luck:)
But not now, cause i have calculas2 final in 2 days.
Wish me luck:)
"There's no humans that is perfect; Our moods changes all the times, but Gods doesn't - God is perfect."
This god you speak of doesn't seem very perfect or omnipotent then. After all, didn't he create man in his own image?
This god you speak of doesn't seem very perfect or omnipotent then. After all, didn't he create man in his own image?
Humans are perfected creations, but again - invidually, we all are different and think differently, and so feeling. We change in nature, we age. Also, we can change in person, and mood. Sometimes you are feelin' happy, and l8r or next day you're all whiney.
"God does not change in nature", therefore God cannot be subjected to the same laws that He created. God created time, therefore He cannot be subjected to time. He doesn't get old, He doesn't get tired nor sleepy. He created air, meaning He doesn't need it. Etc etc, hopefully you understand.
"God does not change in nature", therefore God cannot be subjected to the same laws that He created. God created time, therefore He cannot be subjected to time. He doesn't get old, He doesn't get tired nor sleepy. He created air, meaning He doesn't need it. Etc etc, hopefully you understand.
no, humans are not perfect, a perfect thing, for example MUST be symmetrical, we ARE NOT symmetrical.One eye can be bigger than the other for example
and this is a fact
Smoke snowflakes aren't simetrical either
Ho, and God also created homosexuals, but religion doesn't accept homosexuals.
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and this is a fact
Smoke snowflakes aren't simetrical either
Ho, and God also created homosexuals, but religion doesn't accept homosexuals.
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God didn't create "homosexuals". If you're refering to animals, then they also choose where to go and what to do, you obviously don't know the meaning of free will.
...
If you are born Gay, you are gay
People that choose to be gay, aren't gay
This are two diferent things.Of course you can believe that people don't born gay and choose to be gay, only this way you can justify religion being agaisnt Homosexuality
If you are born Gay, you are gay
People that choose to be gay, aren't gay
This are two diferent things.Of course you can believe that people don't born gay and choose to be gay, only this way you can justify religion being agaisnt Homosexuality
Ok, I end this here...
...ok, but you believe in which one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcrq5OOkQdk
CRUEEEEEL DESIGN. You will understand why.
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CRUEEEEEL DESIGN. You will understand why.
Post edited 2011-05-13 15:20:33
Why do you need to worship anything? Just live your life.
indeed... interesting video nevertheless..
What's wrong with worshipping The Creator?
Assume that there's a machinery which noone in the world has seen before. Who would be the first to tell about the mechanism/how it works?
- It's the maker, the creator, the producer, the inventor
When you buy a new thing, do you call the maker of it, and tell him to come to your house and fix it for you, or do you read the "manual" he sends you?
Assume that there's a machinery which noone in the world has seen before. Who would be the first to tell about the mechanism/how it works?
- It's the maker, the creator, the producer, the inventor
When you buy a new thing, do you call the maker of it, and tell him to come to your house and fix it for you, or do you read the "manual" he sends you?
Well, there simply isn't any stupid machinery which noone in the world magically hasn't seen before! Why talk nonsense then ?
If there really is some creator or whoever, then please, show me where he/she lives, or tell him/her to contact me or atleast some solid proof that he exist. If he/she is so almighty that you say he/she is, that wouldn't be a problem, don't you think so ?
If there really is some creator or whoever, then please, show me where he/she lives, or tell him/her to contact me or atleast some solid proof that he exist. If he/she is so almighty that you say he/she is, that wouldn't be a problem, don't you think so ?
It's not a problem at all. But if I have to answer that, you need to know the story of Shejtan (Satan). He was an angel for 80.000years who praised God together with Adam(PBUH). When asked of what Adam & Shejtan think they are made of, Adam replied from water. And Iblis answered something like: I'm from flames - everyone can walk on water, but noone can walk on flames. Allah cursed him to hell, but gave him respite until the day of judgement after Iblis requested it.
Iblis obtained permission from God and vowed that he would use this time to lead all human men and women astray to Hell as a way of revenge against them.
He said: "Give me respite till the day they are raised up."
(Allah) said: "Be thou among those who have respite."
He said: "Because thou hast thrown me out of the way, lo! I will lie in wait for them on thy straight way:
"Then will I assault them from before them and behind them, from their right and their left: Nor wilt thou find, in most of them, gratitude (for thy mercies)."
(Allah) said: "Get out from this, disgraced and expelled. If any of them follow thee,- Hell will I fill with you all.
Iblis obtained permission from God and vowed that he would use this time to lead all human men and women astray to Hell as a way of revenge against them.
He said: "Give me respite till the day they are raised up."
(Allah) said: "Be thou among those who have respite."
He said: "Because thou hast thrown me out of the way, lo! I will lie in wait for them on thy straight way:
"Then will I assault them from before them and behind them, from their right and their left: Nor wilt thou find, in most of them, gratitude (for thy mercies)."
(Allah) said: "Get out from this, disgraced and expelled. If any of them follow thee,- Hell will I fill with you all.
"Allah cursed him to hell" ...
If God is benevolent, because curse someone?
RELIGION IS BULLSHIT - GEORGE CARLIN <3
If God is benevolent, because curse someone?
RELIGION IS BULLSHIT - GEORGE CARLIN <3
You took that from a video RRS vs 2 christian, why if you watched the video say that here? The christian got pwned dude :S
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh3oIo6pvLM">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh3oIo6pvLM</a> part 1
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9rocigx-so&feature=related">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9rocigx-so&feature=related</a> part 2
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUi0D46gt1k&feature=related">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUi0D46gt1k&feature=related</a> part 3
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUi0D46gt1k&feature=related">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUi0D46gt1k&feature=related</a> part 4
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4W-N0YJ-jg&feature=related">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4W-N0YJ-jg&feature=related</a> part 5
For the ones who wanna watch it:)
Post edited 2011-05-10 22:34:17
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh3oIo6pvLM">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh3oIo6pvLM</a> part 1
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9rocigx-so&feature=related">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9rocigx-so&feature=related</a> part 2
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUi0D46gt1k&feature=related">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUi0D46gt1k&feature=related</a> part 3
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUi0D46gt1k&feature=related">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUi0D46gt1k&feature=related</a> part 4
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4W-N0YJ-jg&feature=related">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4W-N0YJ-jg&feature=related</a> part 5
For the ones who wanna watch it:)
Post edited 2011-05-10 22:34:17
I'm Christian but don't believe in god. Why should you spend time and sometimes money on something that does not exist?
how are u christian without believing in a god?
thats like saying im an atheist but i believe in [insert random god here]
thats like saying im an atheist but i believe in [insert random god here]
I am russian and most russians are orthodox. you get your religion from your parents and in your passport it will say that your are orthodox. however, when your officially a christian, that doesn't stop in not believing in god..
You should probably say it as "Christian by birth, but a non believer" for clarity. :)
exactly
No, being a christian implies believing in god, if you don't believe in god and jesus and the miracles he performed on earth among other human beings like turning water into wine and multiplying breads or something, then you are officialy not christian! Even if your ID says so
i dont think "officialy" belong in a sentence that involves miracles and shit...
thats like saying i officialy believe in the tooth-fairy.
thats like saying i officialy believe in the tooth-fairy.
Im gay but I dont like men
Btw, the title, it's the other way round
Why is it "Hayawat and not hayah = Lives not life" in Quran?? What is the purpose of it?
I personally do not believe in any form of God. I'd like to say I believe in Science, but it's impossible for me to dispute the fact that God doesn't exist. I cannot prove he/she doesn't, I just don't believe that he/she does.
I pity religious families; children that are force fed stories and tales about Jesus or whoever else, and go on to live their lives praying to something they do not know exists.
I have watched Zeitgeist, and pretty much everything else linked into that sort of stuff. I am very intrigued by it all. I don't necessarily believe what the makers of these films say is true, again I can't dispute it. I just think it's an amazing thing to research and read about.
The funny thing is, when i'm older, i'll probably get married in a church, have my first born christened, just for the sake of tradition. It's the same with Christmas and Easter, now i'm a bit more mature, i don't ask for presents etc. I don't hate Christmas, I just hate religion....
Post edited 2011-05-10 07:42:40
I pity religious families; children that are force fed stories and tales about Jesus or whoever else, and go on to live their lives praying to something they do not know exists.
I have watched Zeitgeist, and pretty much everything else linked into that sort of stuff. I am very intrigued by it all. I don't necessarily believe what the makers of these films say is true, again I can't dispute it. I just think it's an amazing thing to research and read about.
The funny thing is, when i'm older, i'll probably get married in a church, have my first born christened, just for the sake of tradition. It's the same with Christmas and Easter, now i'm a bit more mature, i don't ask for presents etc. I don't hate Christmas, I just hate religion....
Post edited 2011-05-10 07:42:40
uhm , why do we need to proove that god doesnt exist???
thats like saying i cant proove there is no invisible tooth fairt ..but everyone knows she doesnt exist since there no proof of her
why is god more special? why does he need disprooving?>?
its like saying guilty until prooven innocent, thats not how it works .
thats like saying i cant proove there is no invisible tooth fairt ..but everyone knows she doesnt exist since there no proof of her
why is god more special? why does he need disprooving?>?
its like saying guilty until prooven innocent, thats not how it works .
The Tooth Fairy exists only for the small kids to be not afraid to take there teeth out and get some money for it just for fun. Small kids believe in her only when there like 5-6 years old. Big men know that it's not real. It's not really serious.
God is something bigger and much more serious. There are people that build there lives on "believing in god". Millions of people pray everyday and spend huge amounts of time for their religion, church and god. Sometimes they even spend money on it
Although in my passport it is said that i am christioan, I personally CAN NOT spend time and believe in something that i haven't seen and doesn't exist(at least can't be proven that god exists).
God is something bigger and much more serious. There are people that build there lives on "believing in god". Millions of people pray everyday and spend huge amounts of time for their religion, church and god. Sometimes they even spend money on it
Although in my passport it is said that i am christioan, I personally CAN NOT spend time and believe in something that i haven't seen and doesn't exist(at least can't be proven that god exists).
Out of what I know about all religions, I think we muslims pray mostly. 5 times daily. And in total, there should be about 1 hour. Meaning, you have 23hours to work on in this lifetime. But you think it's a waste of time praying to The Creator in under 1 hour per day Whom might give you the best reward of all time.
Quote from the video
"Even if this earth was gold and silver, and the hereafter was mudd, still the hereafter would be better - 'cause it's there where you'll spent your "eternal life in". But reality is, as we see, the earth is mudd. "
Quote from the video
"Even if this earth was gold and silver, and the hereafter was mudd, still the hereafter would be better - 'cause it's there where you'll spent your "eternal life in". But reality is, as we see, the earth is mudd. "
u think u deserve a "reward" for praying?
a christian can go to africa and help a starving child
a muslim can also go to africa and help a starving child
an atheist can also go to africa and help a starving child
and what does [god] do? he lets the kid die.
u think you deserve a reward just for praying? praying doesnt help anyone , its a waste of time , if u really want to be all faithfull and shit go help someone.
Post edited 2011-05-20 09:06:03
a christian can go to africa and help a starving child
a muslim can also go to africa and help a starving child
an atheist can also go to africa and help a starving child
and what does [god] do? he lets the kid die.
u think you deserve a reward just for praying? praying doesnt help anyone , its a waste of time , if u really want to be all faithfull and shit go help someone.
Post edited 2011-05-20 09:06:03
yeah, God is like the tooth fairy, but for grown ups :D
+1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF9aSL5UGUY&feature=player_embedded
i just dont know what to believe in.
i just dont know what to believe in.
inb4 lock.
when you see admins posting, it's usually not gonna get locked anytime soon :)
Last time there was a religous thread, it was closed as it became very mean-spirited. I actually think it has happened a few times before :)
Each of my breathe tells me, If i can exist GOD definitely can.
So if you exist, then unicorns can exist too? Makes perfect sense...
May be
I cant prove they do exist & u cant prove they dont.
I cant prove they do exist & u cant prove they dont.
What a rational way of thinking. Why believe something before it's proved?
Imagination is much greater than Knowledge
- Albert Einstein
- Albert Einstein
who was also an atheist (or deist ...)
haha, holy shit dude.
Because that's the point of BELIEVING - accepting without any rational proof. If someone proved God it would be a mere acceptance of fact that he exists - not exactly a hard thing to do. Anyway, with a bit of observation talent I'm sure you can see indirect proofs of God's existence all around you :)
"Because that's the point of BELIEVING - accepting without any rational proof." Exactly, that's the dangerous thing about religion.
"Anyway, with a bit of observation talent I'm sure you can see indirect proofs of God's existence all around you :)"
I sure would like some examples.
"Anyway, with a bit of observation talent I'm sure you can see indirect proofs of God's existence all around you :)"
I sure would like some examples.
go to the nearest book shop, get a book about human anatomy / physiology and enjoy. and what dangerous is about believing without proofs? we're not machines , we don't perceive world in 0=false 1=true . I'd say that's the beautiful thing about religion.
Post edited 2011-05-10 12:15:29
Post edited 2011-05-10 12:15:29
But how do you explain the human eye, why are the nerves on the outside of the retina cells giving us a blind spot where they must exit the eye?
If you actually cared to read your anatomy books you'd find a ton of examples of things that make perfect sense from an evolutionary viewpoint..
If you actually cared to read your anatomy books you'd find a ton of examples of things that make perfect sense from an evolutionary viewpoint..
Thanks for your recommendations about how should I learn anatomy (actually I did not reply instantly because I was studying it :D ). I don't understand your question tbh, you keep telling me something about evolution but know that the church (roman cath.) has accepted evolution - given that God started it. You make one big mistake and that is putting religion and science on scales, but as I said before these 2 things fill out the gaps within themselves. What should I explain about the blind spot? It makes perfect sense to me
How does it make sense from a design perspective? If you believe that god only created life and evolution did the rest frmo there, then the amazing complex human body is not a proof of god, and if you claim god created the human in the form you see now, then you need to answer for the very odd choices in some places, e.g. the eye.
God created life and provided it conditions and mechanisms to evolve into what we know now. It's like he pushed the first domino stone. The evolution process is still on and I believe in thousands of years there will probably be no blind spot. Anyway these imperfections make us who we are and distinguish us from machines
So, does the roman catholic church now say that the whole adam and eve story was BS and there's a new story?
the whole Bible is speaking in symbols. If there's written that God created the world in 7 days, it doesn't literally mean that. same goes for Adam and Eve who are a symbol of our grandgrandgrand.... ancestors. By the way, did you already make your human sacrifice to Kali today? If not hurry it's getting late and I'm sure you don't want to experience her or Shiva's wrath.
haha, if you didn't know already, i'm an atheist and i find that as funny and retarded as you do.
So, why did is this bible thing so cryptic? If god is the author of it, shouldn't he make it easily understandable to us in some way? Maybe he could have given us the skills in that symbolic language? Or put it in some form which made it easy for us to understand?
So, either it is all bullshit or the all powerful god is not such a good writer or creator or planner or whatever.
So, why did is this bible thing so cryptic? If god is the author of it, shouldn't he make it easily understandable to us in some way? Maybe he could have given us the skills in that symbolic language? Or put it in some form which made it easy for us to understand?
So, either it is all bullshit or the all powerful god is not such a good writer or creator or planner or whatever.
your whole argumentation is built on a fact that God wrote Bible, well guess what he didn't Bible was written by prophets and Evangelists. The reason why its written mostly in metaphors is that you should think and contemplate about what it's trying to say. Nothing difficult, and if you really want to understand (which I guess you don't ) there are lots of webpages with explanations of Bible.
I have been through a fair amount of such web pages but i didn't find anything even remotely logical or convincing. If you have any specific recommendation, i would be glad to take a look at it.
Back to my point. A book upon which one is expected to base his/her life upon. Making it based upon metaphors, which could have multiple or no meanings. Is that very intelligent, in your opinion?
Wouldn't a very simple, pointwise, straighforward text be more beneficial and logical?
Back to my point. A book upon which one is expected to base his/her life upon. Making it based upon metaphors, which could have multiple or no meanings. Is that very intelligent, in your opinion?
Wouldn't a very simple, pointwise, straighforward text be more beneficial and logical?
The bible was written by men, and why men changed the old testament from a new one? Have you read it? (the old one) No matter if 60D wrote that or men, its so immoral anyways.
Don't forget the smurfs
funny logic but its ur opinion :|
made by MEN : http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ttk3grcn99M/SW-s0UXZyXI/AAAAAAAAABY/yEIUtBWwMRU/s320/33241873xb5.jpg
made by GOD : http://jootix.com/upload/DesktopWallpapers/cache/beautiful-ocean-ocean-7wallpaper-blogfa-com-1280x720.jpg
made by GOD : http://jootix.com/upload/DesktopWallpapers/cache/beautiful-ocean-ocean-7wallpaper-blogfa-com-1280x720.jpg
But humans were created by God?
I don't really wanna be rude, but seriously, do you truly believe that?
No, of course not. But by Luckyshot5's logic, the way I understand his post, the "beautiful" things were made by God, and human's actions are the "bad" and "evil" things. But as God created humans (if you believe in God, that is), God is responsible for all the bad stuff in the world.
I'm very much against religion as it neglects the importance of science and rationality.
I'm very much against religion as it neglects the importance of science and rationality.
I don't comment on the thread, I just want to comment on your logic. So according to your logic if you have a kid, and when that kid is grown up and kills someone you should go to prison since you are responsible? You made that kid. Of course you are responsible for his/her actions :p
Just wanted to comment on your logic since you want to be "rational" ;)
Just wanted to comment on your logic since you want to be "rational" ;)
Of course not, because a "grown up kid" can think for himself or herself and acts like he wants to. But then again, what does this have to do with this subject?
God gave us free will, we are responsible for our actions and for what we do with this planet. Science and religion do not oppose to each other, they fill out the missing gaps within themselves. The church is not rigid as you surely think, it evolves with science.
Yes, science and religion oppose. What about evolution? The big bang theory?
evolution has been accepted by the church, just like big bang. we only believe that before these things there was God. what was before big bang anyway? =)
Not all churches accept big bang and evolution. And why do you think some churches accept these theories? To adapt to changes of the modern society. Nothing else.
"what was before big bang anyway" How should we know? Humans aren't that developed, mate. You can't just think, that we know everything. That's also why religion was created, to answer question we don't know anything about. The universe is ~14 billion years old, and the homo sapiens sapiens is 200.000-250.000 years old. How should we know everything by know.
"what was before big bang anyway" How should we know? Humans aren't that developed, mate. You can't just think, that we know everything. That's also why religion was created, to answer question we don't know anything about. The universe is ~14 billion years old, and the homo sapiens sapiens is 200.000-250.000 years old. How should we know everything by know.
But in the old times, church didn't accept evolution. They were denying it, so they were wrong, I assume you agree. But how could they have been wrong ? I mean, church and priests have always declared them selves act of god and they bring gods message to earth. So how the hell they can be ever that wrong?
Also. If you have ever learned some histroy, you know that religion has brought more bad than good to planet earth. For example Crusades, the curch was the main agressor, killing and occuping people. If this is act of god, your god is really stupid.
Also. If you have ever learned some histroy, you know that religion has brought more bad than good to planet earth. For example Crusades, the curch was the main agressor, killing and occuping people. If this is act of god, your god is really stupid.
Not to talk, that many people were killed if they believed and stated things that went against the religious men's knowledge. for example Galileu galilei, who said that it was the sun that was in the center of universe
haha it was copernicus who came up with that idea and not galileo (infact, he was a follower of copernicus)..
but you are right galileo was a major revolutionary in science and was constantly condemned by the church at the time...
but you are right galileo was a major revolutionary in science and was constantly condemned by the church at the time...
Can't you see that? Long time ago was thought that the earth was flat (don't know if its the correct word), then one guy came with the idea that it was a sphere, and he got punished by the church. The church then accepted that idea.
Now they accept the evolution theory and the big bang theory, BUT the factor that made that happen was the greater being called "god".
Sciense will always be higher than religion, you can't heal an ill person with powers, you need something real, like antibiotics, neither you can't create the world with powers, you need something real, like physics.
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Now they accept the evolution theory and the big bang theory, BUT the factor that made that happen was the greater being called "god".
Sciense will always be higher than religion, you can't heal an ill person with powers, you need something real, like antibiotics, neither you can't create the world with powers, you need something real, like physics.
Post edited 2011-05-10 23:09:41
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Religion topics on HLTV.org is crazy stuff! I want to comment before this goes crazy hating.
Im atheist. Everything else is childhood manipulation nowadays...
Im atheist. Everything else is childhood manipulation nowadays...
close your eyes and talk with God in the name of jesus his son,
talk with him with your words, but with respect, and he answer you .
Jesus said that everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and the caller will be opened. something like that, I hope you are well my English: S
talk with him with your words, but with respect, and he answer you .
Jesus said that everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and the caller will be opened. something like that, I hope you are well my English: S
If you hear voices in your head... Contact a psychiatrist.
I hope you get this in spanish: "DEJA DE DROGARTE"
72 virgins ftw
lol....
smoke a joint, watch everything hitchens, enjoy life without worries.
so if christians are right
then the entire population of today had to come from adam and eve , wich meant at the beginning there had to me MASSIVE amounts of inbreeding , wich would lead to massive amounts of genetic diseases etc
and then god decided to wipe out the entire population with a flood except Noa +wife + 2 copies of every animal , wich again would mean massive amounts of inbreeding ....
im finding this very hard to digest.
no i'l stick to something wich actually has scientific backing ..like evolution ....
then the entire population of today had to come from adam and eve , wich meant at the beginning there had to me MASSIVE amounts of inbreeding , wich would lead to massive amounts of genetic diseases etc
and then god decided to wipe out the entire population with a flood except Noa +wife + 2 copies of every animal , wich again would mean massive amounts of inbreeding ....
im finding this very hard to digest.
no i'l stick to something wich actually has scientific backing ..like evolution ....
There's more scientific proof than you think. Firstly, look up to the skies, moon, stars and wonder how everything came to excisting.
I recommend this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2s14T6x5AM
I recommend this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2s14T6x5AM
"Dr." Zakir Naik is definitely a master of manipulation.
He quotes from the Holy Quran. So, it's not like "media" and other things. Don't you think if a religion should be perfect, you should answer all the questions using that book that represents your religion?
It's easy to tell your opinion, and some might go with it, some not.
It's easy to tell your opinion, and some might go with it, some not.
But why quote from the only sources? Aren't there other sources that substantiate these claims? Then the bible is as valid as the Qur'an, thus making the Biblbe as true as the Qur'an.
There's a lot of debates from christians scholars & muslims scholars in youtube. And believe me, you'll find A whole new things about this, in there. As I rly don't want to share my opinion about that matter.
Cant this fantastic Quran make some predictions about something that science has NOT discovered yet? It is a little sad it only contains predictions on stuff that scientists also happens to have found out.. So where is the new insight from your magical book written by god himself?
Remember, Quran was brought down from Angel Gabriel(PBUH) to Muhammad(PBUH) 1400years ago. These and more scientific proofs that mention in Quran, are recently discovered by scientists.
There's also signs before judgement day that has been foretold which some of the signs have been ..(approached?).
There's not life in elsewhere but earth.
Another thing I'd like to mention is how I can explain God by mathematics. For example; 1x1x1 = 1. 1+1+1= 3 but that doesn't make sense? If you divide a cake in 3, there's 33,33% in each you get 99.99%, still not 100%.
First number is 1 - referring to One God. First letter in alphabet is A - reffering to Allah (Meaning The One True God - which they also use in the arabic bible).
There's also signs before judgement day that has been foretold which some of the signs have been ..(approached?).
There's not life in elsewhere but earth.
Another thing I'd like to mention is how I can explain God by mathematics. For example; 1x1x1 = 1. 1+1+1= 3 but that doesn't make sense? If you divide a cake in 3, there's 33,33% in each you get 99.99%, still not 100%.
First number is 1 - referring to One God. First letter in alphabet is A - reffering to Allah (Meaning The One True God - which they also use in the arabic bible).
"If you divide a cake in 3, there's 33,33% in each you get 99.99%, still not 100%."
But that is wrong, you do not get 33,33% you get 1/3 or 0,333333333.. (the two dots mean an infinite amount of 3's), sorry, but that you do not understand basic math is not a proof of god either.
"There's not life in elsewhere but earth." - that is quite a bold statement, have you looked all around the universe? Considering there are billions and billions of stars I'd say it is quite bold to claim that you know there does not exist life anywhere else.
All I am asking for is _ONE_ prediction from the Quran, surely there must be something left that scientists have not found out yet?
But that is wrong, you do not get 33,33% you get 1/3 or 0,333333333.. (the two dots mean an infinite amount of 3's), sorry, but that you do not understand basic math is not a proof of god either.
"There's not life in elsewhere but earth." - that is quite a bold statement, have you looked all around the universe? Considering there are billions and billions of stars I'd say it is quite bold to claim that you know there does not exist life anywhere else.
All I am asking for is _ONE_ prediction from the Quran, surely there must be something left that scientists have not found out yet?
That there's not life elsewhere but earth, yes. Aren't NASA or these kind of guys trying to find everything out? And they even talk about aliens lol, so where are they?
And the scientific proofs has already been predicted 1400years ago, when noone had telescopes, microcopes, aiplanes, spaceships.
And the scientific proofs has already been predicted 1400years ago, when noone had telescopes, microcopes, aiplanes, spaceships.
Yes yes, those are amazing feats, but how about a prediction TODAY, surely god must have written something that we still do not know?
Uhm, the universe is a pretty big place, you think NASA have searched every planet? We cannot currently even detect planets the size of earth in other solar systems..
Uhm, the universe is a pretty big place, you think NASA have searched every planet? We cannot currently even detect planets the size of earth in other solar systems..
You're asking about scientific proofs. How can you believe in what I just said "There's no life in elsewhere but earth", I mean, scientists hasn't disprove that? And if He has written something that we still don't know, then why ask me :P?
It's like I can say this:
In every one of you, all components of your creation are collected together in your mother’s womb by forty days...
If forty-two nights have passed over the embryo, God sends an angel to it, who shapes it and creates its hearing, vision, skin, flesh, and bones.
But would you believe me? No, 'cause it's not scientifically proved!
It's like I can say this:
In every one of you, all components of your creation are collected together in your mother’s womb by forty days...
If forty-two nights have passed over the embryo, God sends an angel to it, who shapes it and creates its hearing, vision, skin, flesh, and bones.
But would you believe me? No, 'cause it's not scientifically proved!
You are right. Scientist haven't proved that there is life in elsewhere, but nor have you proved that there isn't life in elsewhere, so you can't make idiotic bold abusing claims here for fuck sake!
People don't know that yet, if there is life or not elsewhere. Easy as that, nothing isn't proved yet. Altough simple math says that there is certainly life elsewhere
People don't know that yet, if there is life or not elsewhere. Easy as that, nothing isn't proved yet. Altough simple math says that there is certainly life elsewhere
Are u trying to say that there was no prediction that Quran has already made which came true?
Or are u trying to say that all the else predictions were just edited in the Quran?
Inspite of all the facts and opinions. I would just suggest that you should just research or Read Quran. Not as a religious follower but only for the sake of information.
Why is that Islam is the most criticized Religion all around the world yet it is the largest spreading religion around the world?
I would rather not discuss Disadvantages or advantages of any religion. If you seek questions do let us know we would try to answer you. But criticizing religions would not be preferred by me
Or are u trying to say that all the else predictions were just edited in the Quran?
Inspite of all the facts and opinions. I would just suggest that you should just research or Read Quran. Not as a religious follower but only for the sake of information.
Why is that Islam is the most criticized Religion all around the world yet it is the largest spreading religion around the world?
I would rather not discuss Disadvantages or advantages of any religion. If you seek questions do let us know we would try to answer you. But criticizing religions would not be preferred by me
I am saying that I want a NEW prediction.. It is easy to read the koran now, and then make the verses fit reality, try making a real prediction with regards to something using the koran, then we can test it with science, and see if it is in fact full of god the mighty creators wisdom.
i really dont like this approche , its like ur saying give me a proof right now or its all wrong(i know u didnt say it, but it sounded like that) well for me its not all the scientifique proofs or all the super accurate maths of heavon ,but whene u read koran in arabic( its not the same translated) you really feel somthing , so i suggest u try to read some, even if u dont i respect ur opinion =)
ps: check this maybe it'll intrest u
http://www.ted.com/talks/lesley_hazelton_on_reading_the_koran.html
Post edited 2011-05-11 22:14:56
ps: check this maybe it'll intrest u
http://www.ted.com/talks/lesley_hazelton_on_reading_the_koran.html
Post edited 2011-05-11 22:14:56
why is it that you are not believing on a book that has made predictions 1400 years ago and it has many predictions fulfilled.
If u just once research or read you will come to know that there is not a single worse in the Quran that Denys that there wont be any kind scenario's that the world is currently facing.
If your finding a way for guidance then u surely will. but if you are just finding a way to prove Quran wrong then i guess that will be difficult.
anyways i am not a racist and i love everyone with whatever religion he has and i love everyone here. and respect everyones feelings.
I pray u guys seek knowledge after this thread.
Islam is a religion of peace. Not of war.
it has something that is why it is the largest growing religion in the world
If u just once research or read you will come to know that there is not a single worse in the Quran that Denys that there wont be any kind scenario's that the world is currently facing.
If your finding a way for guidance then u surely will. but if you are just finding a way to prove Quran wrong then i guess that will be difficult.
anyways i am not a racist and i love everyone with whatever religion he has and i love everyone here. and respect everyones feelings.
I pray u guys seek knowledge after this thread.
Islam is a religion of peace. Not of war.
it has something that is why it is the largest growing religion in the world
Here's a few scientific claims that come to my memory when I last read the Qur'aan. These haven't been proven by Scientists yet due to lack of technology or other reasons, etc.
1. All diseases in this world have a cure. Including AIDS.
2. The sting of a honeybee is also used as a cure.
3. The amount of earthquakes will increase a lot.
4. A lot of botany related stuff that scientists have yet discovered, related to the gender and feelings of the plants.
And theres many more points that I can't recall at 2.53AM right now but these just came across my mind.
1. All diseases in this world have a cure. Including AIDS.
2. The sting of a honeybee is also used as a cure.
3. The amount of earthquakes will increase a lot.
4. A lot of botany related stuff that scientists have yet discovered, related to the gender and feelings of the plants.
And theres many more points that I can't recall at 2.53AM right now but these just came across my mind.
1. Is kind of a no brainer, of course there is a cure for everything, why would something be uncureable?
2. A cure for what?
3. In what way, and in what timeframe?
4. gender and feelings of plants? Interesting, can you be more specific?
Those four are pretty vague, and the first one is pretty easy to just throw out there..
2. A cure for what?
3. In what way, and in what timeframe?
4. gender and feelings of plants? Interesting, can you be more specific?
Those four are pretty vague, and the first one is pretty easy to just throw out there..
1. Not really a no brainer because there are so many diseases and sickness that don't have a cure yet. The common cold, cancer, AIDS/HIV, influenza, polio, ebola, lupus erythematosus, jakob disease, asthma, diabetes type 2. But Qur'aan states there is a cure for all these diseases and other diseases we are not under the knowledge of.
2. Cure for a disease not known yet, but in time we will find out.
3. I'll go through that part and let you know.
4. This chapter speaks about recent botany discoveries and a few points are vague and not easy to understand simply because they haven't been discovered yet.
There are more, and yes they are vague simply because they haven't been proven yet. There are lots of scientific facts mentioned in the Qur'aan that aren't expressed in full detail, but with enough detail to understand what the Qur'aan was trying to express. This includes the big bang theory, water-cycle, human body, reproduction, the universe, etc.
2. Cure for a disease not known yet, but in time we will find out.
3. I'll go through that part and let you know.
4. This chapter speaks about recent botany discoveries and a few points are vague and not easy to understand simply because they haven't been discovered yet.
There are more, and yes they are vague simply because they haven't been proven yet. There are lots of scientific facts mentioned in the Qur'aan that aren't expressed in full detail, but with enough detail to understand what the Qur'aan was trying to express. This includes the big bang theory, water-cycle, human body, reproduction, the universe, etc.
How about the Quran then gets us going on these cures? Surely there must be more about these amazing cures instead of just a blanket statement "there is a cure for everything!" ?
It is pretty easy to assume that there is a cure for anything, as there is nothing magical happening really, if you can have nano-bots inspecting your cells and killing off cancer or infected ones, then you just cured everything..
It is pretty easy to assume that there is a cure for anything, as there is nothing magical happening really, if you can have nano-bots inspecting your cells and killing off cancer or infected ones, then you just cured everything..
Haha, I'm glad we reached this point of the conversation now, finally..
Now see, the Qur'aan is merely a religious book that sets the guidelines for Muslims on how to live our lives the right way. It's not a science book that doctors can take to their university dorms and study at night. It does contain some scientific predictions but these are what we should build upon. The Qur'aan states that the universe is expanding. Is this true? Yes. But it doesn't mention by HOW MUCH it is expanding. But if you still look at it, it's quite amazing that an uneducated, illiterate fellow could have thought of the Universe expanding 1400 years ago.
If the Qur'aan did reveal the cures of these diseases, then everyone would become Muslim... Why? How could an illiterate, uneducated lad know the cures of all the diseases that scientists are grinding their teeth to find out, 1400 years ago!!! The whole point of our sole purpose of life would be meaningless! It is up to us to identify the signs revealed by the Qur'aan and the rest is up to us, whether we believe it is the word of God or not.
Now see, the Qur'aan is merely a religious book that sets the guidelines for Muslims on how to live our lives the right way. It's not a science book that doctors can take to their university dorms and study at night. It does contain some scientific predictions but these are what we should build upon. The Qur'aan states that the universe is expanding. Is this true? Yes. But it doesn't mention by HOW MUCH it is expanding. But if you still look at it, it's quite amazing that an uneducated, illiterate fellow could have thought of the Universe expanding 1400 years ago.
If the Qur'aan did reveal the cures of these diseases, then everyone would become Muslim... Why? How could an illiterate, uneducated lad know the cures of all the diseases that scientists are grinding their teeth to find out, 1400 years ago!!! The whole point of our sole purpose of life would be meaningless! It is up to us to identify the signs revealed by the Qur'aan and the rest is up to us, whether we believe it is the word of God or not.
Ah well that sucks, guess the book isn't worth the paper it was written on afterall.. Come back when it has some insight that is useful then, till then, I'll consider it as fiction. :)
It is funny how the insights of the Quran has dried up from the most basic things that were already known in parts of the world when it was written, and now suddenly is a religious book without any real use when we get down to it..
Again, all the past "OMG HOW DID THEY KNOW THIS" were first known AFTER science confirmed it, saying the earth is shaped like an egg isn't quite the same as saying the earth is round you know, you cover your bases quite nicely.. A vaguely written book that can be interpreted any which way you want is no proof.
It is funny how the insights of the Quran has dried up from the most basic things that were already known in parts of the world when it was written, and now suddenly is a religious book without any real use when we get down to it..
Again, all the past "OMG HOW DID THEY KNOW THIS" were first known AFTER science confirmed it, saying the earth is shaped like an egg isn't quite the same as saying the earth is round you know, you cover your bases quite nicely.. A vaguely written book that can be interpreted any which way you want is no proof.
Haha, how ignorant of you. The scientific claims made in the Qur'aan were known already in other parts of the world at the time it was written? Proof please.
And again, the Qur'aan says the earth is shaped like an ostrich's egg. Have you seen an ostrich egg? It gives a more clear image of how the earth is shaped than merely saying the earth is round. So the Qur'aan defines the shape of the Earth with such great accuracy.
The Qur'aan isn't vaguely written, the majority of his scientific facts are written in such a way that anyone can understand, it is a few facts that are a bit vague but still easy to understand, this is due to the level of literature used 1400 years ago.
I laughed at your first paragraph. "Come back when it has some insight that is useful". So are you saying you'll only accept that God exists if the Qur'aan states the cure of diseases found in this world? That's like saying "I'll only believe God untill I see him".
And again, the Qur'aan says the earth is shaped like an ostrich's egg. Have you seen an ostrich egg? It gives a more clear image of how the earth is shaped than merely saying the earth is round. So the Qur'aan defines the shape of the Earth with such great accuracy.
The Qur'aan isn't vaguely written, the majority of his scientific facts are written in such a way that anyone can understand, it is a few facts that are a bit vague but still easy to understand, this is due to the level of literature used 1400 years ago.
I laughed at your first paragraph. "Come back when it has some insight that is useful". So are you saying you'll only accept that God exists if the Qur'aan states the cure of diseases found in this world? That's like saying "I'll only believe God untill I see him".
No, but I am saying that vague definitions in a 1400 year old book that can have been changed and rewritten a million times is no proof of gods existence.
If I were to find some fact in the Quran that science has disproved, will that then be a proper proof that god does not exist, as surely he would not make mistakes?
If I were to find some fact in the Quran that science has disproved, will that then be a proper proof that god does not exist, as surely he would not make mistakes?
Haha, that is what is so unique and magnificent about the Qur'aan. It's original scripture is kept in Saudi Arabia and using technology to figure out how old the pages are, you can come to find out that these pages are indeed centuries and centuries old, which shows they were not modified or edited.
Secondly, I challenge you to find scientific errors in the Qur'aan. In fact, there is a Scientist who did in fact find many scientific errors in the Qur'aan, and Dr. Zakir Naik showed that Scientist how they were in fact not really errors. It's in a video you can find in youtube, you want the link?
Secondly, I challenge you to find scientific errors in the Qur'aan. In fact, there is a Scientist who did in fact find many scientific errors in the Qur'aan, and Dr. Zakir Naik showed that Scientist how they were in fact not really errors. It's in a video you can find in youtube, you want the link?
"Dr. Zakir Naik" is a joke, what is his degree in again?
Also, just tell me, if I find something that is not true, does that then prove that god does not exist? Yes or no?
Also, just tell me, if I find something that is not true, does that then prove that god does not exist? Yes or no?
If you find something that is legitimately untrue in the Qur'aan then your answer is Yes. Please do not search for grammatical errors and provide an authenticate source. I wish you good luck.
Ok, the earth is not shaped as an ostrich egg, it is in fact more round than a billiard ball, an egg (even ostrich..)? Not so much.
Odd how the so (VERY) minute differences in the shape of the earth from a perfect sphere to an oblate spheroid was perfectly understandable to the people 1400 years ago, but other more basic stuff was not.
When you look at a billiard ball, how would you describe that? Looking as an ostrich egg?
Odd how the so (VERY) minute differences in the shape of the earth from a perfect sphere to an oblate spheroid was perfectly understandable to the people 1400 years ago, but other more basic stuff was not.
When you look at a billiard ball, how would you describe that? Looking as an ostrich egg?
Before I begin with my response, I would also like you to take into consideration that at the period of the revelation of the Qur'aan, the people of the Arab world believed that the Earth was flat. However, the illiterate and uneducated Mohammad(SAW) describes the Earth's shape with the word "Dahaha", which in Arabic means 'An Ostrich's egg'. Now, for the past few years it has been a proved fact that the shape of the Earth DOES indeed resemble the shape of an Ostrich egg. If you are expecting the Qur'aan to give the exact radius, circumfrence, etc of the Earth then I need not continue this argument.
The earth looks as much as an ostrich egg as a billiard ball does, so I ask you again, do you think a billiard ball looks much like an ostrich egg?
Again you are ignoring the important word I am using. The earth DOES INDEED resemble a billiard ball. Does the earth however resemble an Ostrich egg? Of course it does! Which does it resemble more... Does it matter? The point is, the Qur'aan compares the shape of the Earth to an object that is very well similar to it! Doesn't matter if it mentions billiard balls or your balls or whoever's balls for the matter. It's like, the Qur'aan states an astounding fact, and suddenly you're grasping on straws trying to find a more accurate comparison to make the Qur'aan look faulty. HAVE you forgotten this was written 1400 years ago by an illiterate and uneducated person??!
No, it doesn't resemble an ostrich egg. I asked you to provide your PROOF for earth's resemblance to an ostrich egg and you point me to some random post you made post? WTF?
By what account is this an EVIDENCE?
By what account is this an EVIDENCE?
It does resemble an ostrich egg. Just see for yourself. And I brought you to this post because I was going to tell you the same thing. That the Earth's shape wasn't known to ANYONE 1400 years ago, yet an uneducated and illiterate lad managed to describe its shape by at least 90%. If he wrote the EXACT shape of the Earth, that is compared to telling the cure of all diseases, which again is the same as God showing himself to everyone in the world. Everyone would become a Muslim and the sole purpose of this life would be meaningless. That is what you both need to understand.
FOR FUCK'S SAKE, STOP GOING IN CIRCLES.
I already covered that. I said that islam believed in the past that the earth was flat. dahaha" meant "laid out", implying that the earth was flat. When it got proven that earth was indeed not flat they invented another meaning for the same word. And dahaha doesn't mean ostrich egg. It means "egg". The islamic professors say that it doesn't essentially refer to chicken eggs. Many animals lay egg and the book implies it's an ostrich egg, although there is no mention of it in the Quran, but it's somehow implied.
And even THEN, earth does not resemble an ostrich egg. And couldn't the illeterate, uneducated lad just say "ball" or "sphere"? why use an ambiguous, double meaning word, which still is inaccurate?
I already covered that. I said that islam believed in the past that the earth was flat. dahaha" meant "laid out", implying that the earth was flat. When it got proven that earth was indeed not flat they invented another meaning for the same word. And dahaha doesn't mean ostrich egg. It means "egg". The islamic professors say that it doesn't essentially refer to chicken eggs. Many animals lay egg and the book implies it's an ostrich egg, although there is no mention of it in the Quran, but it's somehow implied.
And even THEN, earth does not resemble an ostrich egg. And couldn't the illeterate, uneducated lad just say "ball" or "sphere"? why use an ambiguous, double meaning word, which still is inaccurate?
Who told you dahaha mean's "laid out". You don't even know the right meaning of the word, I refuse to continue in this argument.
And so what if It doesn't resemble the earth 100%. The point is it DOES resemble to some extent, about 80%, which is pretty damn good enough compared to the rest of the Arab world who assumed the earth was FLAT at that period of time. So how did an uneducated, illiterate lad come so close?
And so what if It doesn't resemble the earth 100%. The point is it DOES resemble to some extent, about 80%, which is pretty damn good enough compared to the rest of the Arab world who assumed the earth was FLAT at that period of time. So how did an uneducated, illiterate lad come so close?
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Arabic_terms#Dahaha
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF ALLAH, KNOW YOUR SHIT BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH!
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF ALLAH, KNOW YOUR SHIT BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH!
It doesn't mean laid out. I still refute to agree with it. It has the following meanings: It expanded, it rolled out, it spread, it was made egg shape. That site doesn't agree with your claim.
What does rolling out/spreading out mean? Replace "laid out" in my sentence and read it as "rolled out". How is that any indication of a sphere?
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Flat_Earth_and_the_Qur%27an#Qur.27an_79:30
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Flat_Earth_and_the_Qur%27an#Qur.27an_79:30
If you use "laid out" or "Rolled Out" it still doesn't show any signs of the Earth being flat unless you WANT it to be interpreted that way. Which is usually the case with atheists:)
On the same page above, it also says that the earth was made flat. I'm not interpreting hidden meanings. I'm just reading what's written.
Also, on the top of the same page.
""The earth is flat. Whoever claims it is round is an atheist deserving of punishment."
- Sheik Abdul-Aziz Ibn Baaz, supreme religious authority of Saudi Arabia, 1993"
As late as 1993!!!
""The earth is flat. Whoever claims it is round is an atheist deserving of punishment."
- Sheik Abdul-Aziz Ibn Baaz, supreme religious authority of Saudi Arabia, 1993"
As late as 1993!!!
Uhh... Why don't you quote what AlQaida say as well? That if you die for your religion you have 40 virgins waiting for you in heaven. There are loads of stupid people in high posts in every religion.
Replied at #1369 at the bottom of page. Getting painful here.
I am not grasping at straws, I am trying to understand why on one hand "people were idiots and couldn't understand shit 1400 years ago", but on the other hand instead of saying earth was shaped like a circle or a ball, something as complicated as an egg from a specific bird is used, I mean do we even know what a freaking ostrich egg looked like 1400 years ago?
Also isn't that great Dr. of yours a denier of evolution? Is that the official stance of the Koran that evolution is not real?
Also isn't that great Dr. of yours a denier of evolution? Is that the official stance of the Koran that evolution is not real?
I don't know how an ostrich egg looked like 1400 years ago, but, using the information we have right now, we can well say that the shape of the earth very well does resemble that of an ostrich egg. And the doc isn't the only one who denies evolution, so do all the followers of the religion.
Why do they deny evolution? Is it written in the koran that we do not change? Or why exactly do they take this stance?
Urgent : Make the website wider!! It's using 3rd of my screens width and the formatting is fucked.
It depends. See, we don't believe we came from apes, but we do believe in evolution. For example, in the days of Adam, a normal human was about 40-50 feet tall(approximately, or more). And today an average height is about 6 feet tall, so yes, we have evolved and we do believe in evolution. But we deny that we have come from monkeys.
Human was 40-50 feet tall? I ask you again. Evidence?
Allaah created Adam (peace be upon him) sixty cubits tall (Approximately
between 25.80 to 31.80 meters tall just like a ten storey building in height). , then
mankind gradually grew shorter until they stopped and remained as they are now
(around 1.60 to 2.15 meters). The evidence for that in the Sunnah is the hadeeth of
the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)
between 25.80 to 31.80 meters tall just like a ten storey building in height). , then
mankind gradually grew shorter until they stopped and remained as they are now
(around 1.60 to 2.15 meters). The evidence for that in the Sunnah is the hadeeth of
the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)
Sigh. Are you mentally challenged? I asked for evidence and you quote fucking religious text?
A : How do you know quran is from allah?
B: It says so in the Quran
A : *facepalm*
It's called CIRCULAR LOGIC! The friend of the dumb.
A : How do you know quran is from allah?
B: It says so in the Quran
A : *facepalm*
It's called CIRCULAR LOGIC! The friend of the dumb.
Wow... You asked me evidence of how tall the man only RELIGIOUS people believe exists. Science believes we came from apes, therefore they don't agree Adam existed.You seriously are stupid. No offence intended.
Science doesn't "believe" we came from apes. It's a proven FACT! You are seriously low on knowledge.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA. It's not a fact you RETARD.Evolution is a fact but Darwin's assumptionthat we came from apes is a theory, hencethe name "Darwin's Theory"
#1377 at the bottom of the page.
I will say it again. Ostrich egg is nowhere close to shape of the earth. It's closer to the shape of my testicle than an ostrich egg.
you clearly have never seen an ostrich egg then, my friend.
I have. And if you have as well, you are being blind.
If you roll it on the floor, will it roll like a ball?
FOR FUCKS SAKE ARE YOU RETARDED? I AM NOT SAYING THAT AN OSTRICH EGG IS A BALL! I AM SAYING IT RESEMBLES! I can't believe you are a science student with such lack of general knowledge of the english language.
How are science and english language connected, again, smartass?
And if something can't roll, it does not resemble a sphere. Simple as that.
And if something can't roll, it does not resemble a sphere. Simple as that.
No offence, but, they haven't found any god either.
No matter if allah, jesus, buddha or these 300mio. gods of hinduism.
To your book: who can proof that quran was brought from heaven by an angel? Is it also written in this book? Doesn't make sense to me.
I'm stuck to the opinion that every religion is brainwashing. Some more some less. It's all about authority.
No matter if allah, jesus, buddha or these 300mio. gods of hinduism.
To your book: who can proof that quran was brought from heaven by an angel? Is it also written in this book? Doesn't make sense to me.
I'm stuck to the opinion that every religion is brainwashing. Some more some less. It's all about authority.
People have proofs of Jesus(PBUH) and whole his history, and about Buddha, about their lifestyles that lived 600++years before Muhammad (Pbuh). We believe Jesus cured the blind, and we believe in that, but we can't believe in a newer history?
Watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2s14T6x5AM
If all these scientifics proofs that turned to be right were predictions 1400years back, and if you don't believe that Quran is the word of God, then you must think Muhammad (PBUH) was super intellegent and saw all this without any help of spaceships etc.
Watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2s14T6x5AM
If all these scientifics proofs that turned to be right were predictions 1400years back, and if you don't believe that Quran is the word of God, then you must think Muhammad (PBUH) was super intellegent and saw all this without any help of spaceships etc.
regardin the 33.33% , it`s true it`s an infinit number 33.333333... the number never ends but still u have 99.9999999...(till to infinit but never reaches 100%) ?
Please learn math before saying stupid stuff.
1/3 = 1/3
1/3 * 3 = 1
BOOH HOOOH, MAGIC!
1/3 = 1/3
1/3 * 3 = 1
BOOH HOOOH, MAGIC!
try to do this in decimal
Well i can't write it here in decimals because 1/3 cannot be expressed by decimals. Please understande that there is not a single way of writting numbers and none of the ways is able to write every number.
Doing that math you asked me to do in decimals is the same as asking you to write pi/2 in decimals. Go ahead, try. Just because you can't do it in decimals doesn't mean pi/2 doesn't exist
Doing that math you asked me to do in decimals is the same as asking you to write pi/2 in decimals. Go ahead, try. Just because you can't do it in decimals doesn't mean pi/2 doesn't exist
my point was not to prove it doesn`t exist but to prove that even maths (the queen of science) is not perfect
of course math is perfect (at least as you seem to define perfect), because it always is right by definition, that's the whole purpose of logics, studying thinking ways that are absolutely "right and perfect"
+1
It is blatantly ignorance like this that give all religious people a bad name, listen, if you want to play on the science playing field you better damn well come prepared..
I just wanted to say that there`s no proper way to write exactly 1/3 in decimal?
Uh no so? There is no way to write pi either, and an infinite amount of other fractions, why do you think that just because you cannot express a fraction as decimal that has anything to do with math?
"There's not life in elsewhere but earth."
Cool claim bro, proof?
Another thing I'd like to mention is how I can explain God by mathematics. For example; 1x1x1 = 1. 1+1+1= 3 but that doesn't make sense? If you divide a cake in 3, there's 33,33% in each you get 99.99%, still not 100%.
Seriously, I lol'd. You really suck at math :D:D:D:D . Troll logic ftw
Cool claim bro, proof?
Another thing I'd like to mention is how I can explain God by mathematics. For example; 1x1x1 = 1. 1+1+1= 3 but that doesn't make sense? If you divide a cake in 3, there's 33,33% in each you get 99.99%, still not 100%.
Seriously, I lol'd. You really suck at math :D:D:D:D . Troll logic ftw
How can you tell I lack mathematics here?
My english is not good enough to explain you maths.
And Nomad told you already in #149 the main flaw in your "great mathematical logic"
And Nomad told you already in #149 the main flaw in your "great mathematical logic"
Because "If you divide a cake in 3, there's 33,33% in each" that statement is false, and thus the rest you say will also be false, that is how math works.
How is that false :P?
The same way 1+1 = 3 is false.. A cake split in 3 leaves 3 * 1/3 OR if you want it in decimal 3*0.333333.. (the two dots denote an infinite amount of 3's, as this fraction cannot be accurately described in decimals.) - 3*0.33333.. is 1.
You serious?
For example; 1x1x1 = 1. 1+1+1= 3 but that doesn't make sense?
Wut. How doesnt that make sense.
Also by your
"First number is 1 - referring to One God. First letter in alphabet is A - reffering to Allah (Meaning The One True God - which they also use in the arabic bible)."
You basically just say that A= Allah. But that could be ANYTHING I could just say
"First number is 1 - referring to One Alligator. First letter in alphabet is A - reffering to Alligator (Meaning The One True Alligator - which they also use in the crappy note I just wrote in MSpaint )."
<a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/810/alligatory.jpg/">http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/810/alligatory.jpg/</a>
Post edited 2011-05-10 21:54:34
Wut. How doesnt that make sense.
Also by your
"First number is 1 - referring to One God. First letter in alphabet is A - reffering to Allah (Meaning The One True God - which they also use in the arabic bible)."
You basically just say that A= Allah. But that could be ANYTHING I could just say
"First number is 1 - referring to One Alligator. First letter in alphabet is A - reffering to Alligator (Meaning The One True Alligator - which they also use in the crappy note I just wrote in MSpaint )."
<a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/810/alligatory.jpg/">http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/810/alligatory.jpg/</a>
Post edited 2011-05-10 21:54:34
You realize that how many times you time 1 by 1(1x1x1x1x1x1) the answer is still 1. And when you divide 1 by 1, you get 1.
Ok, so you think it's just a coinsidence that A is the first letter in all alphabets? Allah means One True God. Which reffers back to the number, 1 as the first number.
Ok, so you think it's just a coinsidence that A is the first letter in all alphabets? Allah means One True God. Which reffers back to the number, 1 as the first number.
Well yeah, but when have you ever seen anyone actually using 1xY for something useful? The fact that you have 1x1 is completely irrelevant. When you do math you dont say 1x 200 + 1x 500
you just say 200+500 because 1x is completely irrelevant.
Ok, so you think it's just a coincidence that A is the first letter in all alphabets? Alligator means One True God. Which reffers back to the number, 1 as the first number.
you just say 200+500 because 1x is completely irrelevant.
Ok, so you think it's just a coincidence that A is the first letter in all alphabets? Alligator means One True God. Which reffers back to the number, 1 as the first number.
I honestly saw more sources of proving that there's a God from mathematicaly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLFm2INY7Js
Well, you are wrong, Alligator does't mean One True God, that's the fact. Fact is, Allah means.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLFm2INY7Js
Well, you are wrong, Alligator does't mean One True God, that's the fact. Fact is, Allah means.
I lold.
So hard.
Thats some pretty systems there, but why does it have to do with god?
By that logic you could say:
god is bad
7-15-4-9-19-2-1-4
and make it less that 100%
And what source do you have about Allah meaning one true god? Because I could very quickly make one more of my handsome mspaint notes.
So hard.
Thats some pretty systems there, but why does it have to do with god?
By that logic you could say:
god is bad
7-15-4-9-19-2-1-4
and make it less that 100%
And what source do you have about Allah meaning one true god? Because I could very quickly make one more of my handsome mspaint notes.
Yes, it makes it less that 100%. When someone want to learn something, he want to believe that tis' 100% true.
I don't know why you won't search for it yourslef:
http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah
http://www.godallah.com/
http://www.islamtomorrow.com/allah.asp
I don't know why you won't search for it yourslef:
http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah
http://www.godallah.com/
http://www.islamtomorrow.com/allah.asp
Yes, it makes it less that 100%. When someone want to learn something, he want to believe that tis' 100% true.
But that doesnt make it science right? Thats BELIEVING. So you havent proven anything science related for that.
But that doesnt make it science right? Thats BELIEVING. So you havent proven anything science related for that.
haha lol'ed at the vid.. so since, maths is so beautiful, god exists??
and oh btw acc. to your logic,
love of god = 101%
common sense = 135%
food for thought..
and oh btw acc. to your logic,
love of god = 101%
common sense = 135%
food for thought..
common sense goes back to this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2s14T6x5AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2s14T6x5AM
i'm sure you've been asked bunch of times so far but i'll ask again, plz give us some new predictions..
and for your information, indian vedas contain alot of similar knowledge.. but these things were discovered/predicted by actual human beings...
same goes with greeks.. infact, even before 200BC greeks had roughly calculated perimeter of earth.. you've to be really ignorant if you credit their intelligence to god..
and lol man zakir naik?? really?? whether you like it or not, the man is fraud... its a shame he comes from same city as me..
here read the articles mentioned in here... http://www.hltv.org/?pageid=18&threadid=72551#r1786214
anyways i'm done with this.. thanx for creating this thread... even though it has wasted a lot of my time, it also has given me lots of laughs thats for sure... i wish you good luck with your life..
and for your information, indian vedas contain alot of similar knowledge.. but these things were discovered/predicted by actual human beings...
same goes with greeks.. infact, even before 200BC greeks had roughly calculated perimeter of earth.. you've to be really ignorant if you credit their intelligence to god..
and lol man zakir naik?? really?? whether you like it or not, the man is fraud... its a shame he comes from same city as me..
here read the articles mentioned in here... http://www.hltv.org/?pageid=18&threadid=72551#r1786214
anyways i'm done with this.. thanx for creating this thread... even though it has wasted a lot of my time, it also has given me lots of laughs thats for sure... i wish you good luck with your life..
Watched it 2 minutes, and had to stop it.
42:29 - "And among God's signs is the creation of the heaven and the Earth, and the living creatures He has scattered through them."
Don't state things without saying that only Allah knows the truth please.
Don't state things without saying that only Allah knows the truth please.
READ PLEASE
Another thing I'd like to mention is how I can explain God by mathematics. For example; 1x1x1 = 1. 1+1+1= 3 but that doesn't make sense? If you divide a cake in 3, there's 33,33% in each you get 99.99%, still not 100%.
First number is 1 - referring to One God. First letter in alphabet is A - reffering to Allah (Meaning The One True God - which they also use in the arabic bible).
Please +1 me if you think this argument is brain dead!
Another thing I'd like to mention is how I can explain God by mathematics. For example; 1x1x1 = 1. 1+1+1= 3 but that doesn't make sense? If you divide a cake in 3, there's 33,33% in each you get 99.99%, still not 100%.
First number is 1 - referring to One God. First letter in alphabet is A - reffering to Allah (Meaning The One True God - which they also use in the arabic bible).
Please +1 me if you think this argument is brain dead!
quran came 1400 years ago and explain alot of things that science recently proves. like quran tell moon has borrowed light 1400 years ago who knew that? quran says metal was sent to earth, who knew 1400 years ago that metal cannot be formed in earth it came from outer space science proves that but recently not 1400 years ago . and there are many other examples.
Zakir Nair followers are the most retarded people in the world.
According to him , Osama was true muslim and every muslim should be a terrorist.
You can find that video on youtube.
According to him , Osama was true muslim and every muslim should be a terrorist.
You can find that video on youtube.
He obviously don't know the truth about Osama & AL Qaida as 90% here do know. And I've seen that video, but you've mistunderstood the concept.
And whats the truth?
So OK you say that about Zakir Nair, and then you link us a video about: "common sense"? And
the guy who is preaching is ACTUALLY Zakir Nair.
Well, I do not know what to say.
the guy who is preaching is ACTUALLY Zakir Nair.
Well, I do not know what to say.
Re-read this again, you're not making sense, empty meaning.
And I thought you were "creating your own blog and stop commenting here"? Oh, so you lied? What a shame, I think people would appreciate more of matureness in this thread, and that doesn't fit you, sorry. So, don't comment here, thanks! :)
And I thought you were "creating your own blog and stop commenting here"? Oh, so you lied? What a shame, I think people would appreciate more of matureness in this thread, and that doesn't fit you, sorry. So, don't comment here, thanks! :)
You link me a video of a preacher who had said that bin laden was a terrorist and thats what every muslim should be.
Then you tell us that 90% of muslim know the "truth" about al qaida and bin laden.
So if the 90% muslim know the "truth", then you are saying that Zakir Nair is a lier.
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Then you tell us that 90% of muslim know the "truth" about al qaida and bin laden.
So if the 90% muslim know the "truth", then you are saying that Zakir Nair is a lier.
Post edited 2011-05-13 13:28:37
He obviously don't know the truth about Osama & AL Qaida as 90% here do know. And I've seen that video, but you've mistunderstood the concept
Where did I say muslims? You are confusing yourself, please let's end this right now.
Where did I say muslims? You are confusing yourself, please let's end this right now.
Even if muslim or not KNOWS the truth, you are saying he is a lier! Because he had said bin laden was a terrorist and then you gave us a link with he preaching about common sense.
So if not, what's the truth, he is not terrorist at all? Explain me what's the "truth" you know.
So if not, what's the truth, he is not terrorist at all? Explain me what's the "truth" you know.
The truth? Only God knows, but what makes sense if you watch The Arrivals, seeing what evil people is currently controling the goverments/world banks/media. And they hanged Saddam Hussein so everybody could see as an evidence, and they claim Osama is the biggest terrorist, while there's not a SINGLE evidence yet that they killed him either. Osama was an agent of CSI in US + muslims can't ASSAULT people, only defend. There's proof that 9/11 was inside task, as not from another countries. It just seems like you in here don't know anything about what's going on in the world, I suggest to listen to some documentaries and do some research as well. Well, you don't need to just watch some documenataries all of them have evidence. Stop relying on TV/news/newspaper= Absolute hyptonistm
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Post edited 2011-05-13 13:45:33
hahahahaha what I call hyptonistm is what quran has made to you friend. And stop avoiding questions please.
And so what's the arrivals? Isn't that media too? COME ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
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And so what's the arrivals? Isn't that media too? COME ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
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Tv/news tells you whatever they want. Tell me after they tell you about a new thing that happened, do they go deeply inside the topic and give evidences? Nope, The Arrivals is documnetary with evidences, so that's and so is Quran, so that's not hypnotism. Have you dropped out of school or something?
So you think Im saying that all what Im saying is just because I follow TV/NEWS. The only reason I use the TV is for wathing series, like The Simpsons or MAD TV, and some news, but particullary from my country. And let me tell you, that if you have a strong personality, you won't be influenced by those things, like you do. Your personality, is sad.
If you call the media an "absolute hyptonism", so the quran and arrivals are. And let me tell you, Zakir Nair is media too, that preacher you quote that much, does the same effect that you say television and news, in my country, do to me. It's the SAME EXAMPLE.
Another thing I am not brainwashed like you: I've watched the zeitgeists documentaries, and I can tell you I rub them in my balls.
And where are the proofs that QURAN GIVES? YOU FOR FUCK SAKE, YOU HAVE A DELUSION AND YOU ARE SO BLIND THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN THINK FOR YOURSELF. Always quoting the quran, the arrivals, zakir nair, muhammad-i-don't-know-who.
What if you were born in ancient greek? Would you have believed in Allah? NOT, you would have believed in Zeus.
What if you were a Viking? Would you had believed in Allah? NOT, you would had believed in Thor.
What if you were an Aztec? Would you had believed in Allah? NOT, you would had believed in Huitzilopochtli.
SO STOP CALLING YOUR RELIGION AND YOUR QURAN AS A FACT, because you have accidentaly believe that, or you have been accidentaly raised with that religion, or you have been accidentaly born in the "wrong" place, or you haven't had the the knowledge to ask just a simple question: "Why are we here? Because of Allah!" instead of asking "We are here, how is this possible?"
And what does the question "have you dropped out of school or something" does to do with this?
And I don't want you again saying to me and quoting to me, that quran is the "truth" because for you, that book says prooved science facts, because nothing that we don't know, is said in that book. And as I told before, I don't want that crap predictions, I want new predictions.
And you know what? I don't care about what allah says, you can pray to him to give me hepatitis, I am vaccinated.
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If you call the media an "absolute hyptonism", so the quran and arrivals are. And let me tell you, Zakir Nair is media too, that preacher you quote that much, does the same effect that you say television and news, in my country, do to me. It's the SAME EXAMPLE.
Another thing I am not brainwashed like you: I've watched the zeitgeists documentaries, and I can tell you I rub them in my balls.
And where are the proofs that QURAN GIVES? YOU FOR FUCK SAKE, YOU HAVE A DELUSION AND YOU ARE SO BLIND THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN THINK FOR YOURSELF. Always quoting the quran, the arrivals, zakir nair, muhammad-i-don't-know-who.
What if you were born in ancient greek? Would you have believed in Allah? NOT, you would have believed in Zeus.
What if you were a Viking? Would you had believed in Allah? NOT, you would had believed in Thor.
What if you were an Aztec? Would you had believed in Allah? NOT, you would had believed in Huitzilopochtli.
SO STOP CALLING YOUR RELIGION AND YOUR QURAN AS A FACT, because you have accidentaly believe that, or you have been accidentaly raised with that religion, or you have been accidentaly born in the "wrong" place, or you haven't had the the knowledge to ask just a simple question: "Why are we here? Because of Allah!" instead of asking "We are here, how is this possible?"
And what does the question "have you dropped out of school or something" does to do with this?
And I don't want you again saying to me and quoting to me, that quran is the "truth" because for you, that book says prooved science facts, because nothing that we don't know, is said in that book. And as I told before, I don't want that crap predictions, I want new predictions.
And you know what? I don't care about what allah says, you can pray to him to give me hepatitis, I am vaccinated.
Post edited 2011-05-13 14:43:41
News don't give you evidence of any stuff they shout out, they just tell it. And when you debate, what do you need to do? You need to have proof/evidences of every single details, and that's what if you watch documentaries (not saying all are right, far from) but 'they're' trying to prove something.
Ancient greek, vikings, aztecs you name it. Adam peace be upon him was the first human & the first prophet, and there has been prophets after him. However, they were sent to a group of people, like for example "greeks" - like Isa(Jesus)peace be upon him, was sent to the jews. And we believe Toraeh & Bible was Gods word, but they've been edited & 'they' 'admit' 'it' 'themselves'. And God have given you brain, eyes & ears. Eyes, to see the skies, the sun & and the moon, the stars. Even the meteors isn't crashing into earth. Who's making this "happening", you? scientists? And scientists claim to know how earthquakes (approach?) - and they know what it causes, massive destruction, so why aren't they still able to stop it? Same goes with Tornadoes, rain.
Ok, I'm a muslim (al-hamdullilah) & you claim to be an atheist. And you think I'm all crazy person for believing. So, who's been insulting each other in all of our comments? Who's been raging for somethin' "you don't believe in"? Who's got most respect toward each others, you or me?
And you know what? I don't care about what allah says, you can pray to him to give me hepatitis, I am vaccinate
Again, and again and yet again I'm asking you, WHY are you still commenting here, WHY are you still replying to me - you're saying you don't care. So, now you answer me, as I've answered you everytime.
Ancient greek, vikings, aztecs you name it. Adam peace be upon him was the first human & the first prophet, and there has been prophets after him. However, they were sent to a group of people, like for example "greeks" - like Isa(Jesus)peace be upon him, was sent to the jews. And we believe Toraeh & Bible was Gods word, but they've been edited & 'they' 'admit' 'it' 'themselves'. And God have given you brain, eyes & ears. Eyes, to see the skies, the sun & and the moon, the stars. Even the meteors isn't crashing into earth. Who's making this "happening", you? scientists? And scientists claim to know how earthquakes (approach?) - and they know what it causes, massive destruction, so why aren't they still able to stop it? Same goes with Tornadoes, rain.
Ok, I'm a muslim (al-hamdullilah) & you claim to be an atheist. And you think I'm all crazy person for believing. So, who's been insulting each other in all of our comments? Who's been raging for somethin' "you don't believe in"? Who's got most respect toward each others, you or me?
And you know what? I don't care about what allah says, you can pray to him to give me hepatitis, I am vaccinate
Again, and again and yet again I'm asking you, WHY are you still commenting here, WHY are you still replying to me - you're saying you don't care. So, now you answer me, as I've answered you everytime.
No, no, no, no and no, what you have just wrote is HILARIOUS.
You talk about proofs, where's adam's body? Where's the evidence he has existed? Ah right, in your holy book. Adam sent to greeks, aztec, viking? Oh my god, NO WORDS.
God has given me eyes to watch his "creations"? (...) And this is a very bold quote.
Even the meteors isn't crashing into earth. Who's making this "happening", you? scientists? And scientists claim to know how earthquakes (approach?) - and they know what it causes, massive destruction, so why aren't they still able to stop it? Same goes with Tornadoes, rain.
What the F... are you talking about? Haven't you heard before about the ozone layer? Ah right, you will say "Of course I have, God's creation".
Who's making this happen? Physics are making this happen. Why scientis don't stop earthquakes? HOW COULD THEY STOP THE TECTONIC PLATES MOVEMENT? I can't believe what I'm reading. The sames goes to tornados, rain. Do you know what a tornado is, their fuction? Their fuction is to cool the Earth. Why are there more tornados, with more power? Because of global warming! Why is there global warming? Because of men. The sames goes to rain, ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
I ASK YOU WHAT YOU ASKED ME BEFORE:
Have you dropped out of school or something?
I think an admin deleted my post, cause I was using some ban words, and caps, sorry to him. Now I modified it.
P.S all my family is sad for you, also my mom, who is religious.
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You talk about proofs, where's adam's body? Where's the evidence he has existed? Ah right, in your holy book. Adam sent to greeks, aztec, viking? Oh my god, NO WORDS.
God has given me eyes to watch his "creations"? (...) And this is a very bold quote.
Even the meteors isn't crashing into earth. Who's making this "happening", you? scientists? And scientists claim to know how earthquakes (approach?) - and they know what it causes, massive destruction, so why aren't they still able to stop it? Same goes with Tornadoes, rain.
What the F... are you talking about? Haven't you heard before about the ozone layer? Ah right, you will say "Of course I have, God's creation".
Who's making this happen? Physics are making this happen. Why scientis don't stop earthquakes? HOW COULD THEY STOP THE TECTONIC PLATES MOVEMENT? I can't believe what I'm reading. The sames goes to tornados, rain. Do you know what a tornado is, their fuction? Their fuction is to cool the Earth. Why are there more tornados, with more power? Because of global warming! Why is there global warming? Because of men. The sames goes to rain, ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
I ASK YOU WHAT YOU ASKED ME BEFORE:
Have you dropped out of school or something?
I think an admin deleted my post, cause I was using some ban words, and caps, sorry to him. Now I modified it.
P.S all my family is sad for you, also my mom, who is religious.
Post edited 2011-05-13 17:44:33
Listen to me how can ozone layer protect against a meteor? Are you ill? Do you know what ozone layer protects against? Strong Sun rays. So what? According to you there's evolutions going on in humanity, they know how earthqaukes starts, so how about making somethng to stop it? You believe "humans got the power" after all.
I don't need to repeat everything I said in #1701 'cause everything there disprove everything that you wrote #1704 is right.
Indeed an admin deleted your post, and it's not the first they've deleted. You're raging and proving yourself that you're just an angry teenager who can't discuss like a man, and you're doing well.
P.S: Showing this to your mom, now I really wouldn't believe anyonw would do that, guess not ever 19's have passed puberty yet.
Post edited 2011-05-13 18:14:12
I don't need to repeat everything I said in #1701 'cause everything there disprove everything that you wrote #1704 is right.
Indeed an admin deleted your post, and it's not the first they've deleted. You're raging and proving yourself that you're just an angry teenager who can't discuss like a man, and you're doing well.
P.S: Showing this to your mom, now I really wouldn't believe anyonw would do that, guess not ever 19's have passed puberty yet.
Post edited 2011-05-13 18:14:12
I know that the ozone layer exist to protect us against sun rays. So it does protect us agains meteorits too, research a bit, what depends is the meteors size. And so you want scientists to stop something like earthquakes? Earthquakes happen because the Earth is alive and is in a constante movement, the Earth's core has heat and magma, and if it hasn't had it, Earth will be a dead and immobile planet. In other words, it would be like the moon. So how could you say such a nonsense thing? That's why I just can believe it. Same goes to tornados, how could they stop them? If Earth needs them to cool the heat we are producing. Saying that it will be better to stop them, is like saying you want no life in Earth. So ok, keep believing that, you have a second life elsewhere. But where? In this heaven and hell? It would be destroyed too.
And no, this was the first one they deleted.
And about to showing this post to my mom, I'm trying to tell you that even a religious person, will understand that what you are saying, is madness.
Other thing, I say you used, the "creation needs a creator" thing before, let me ask you something. What has created god? and god's god? and god's god god?
And no, this was the first one they deleted.
And about to showing this post to my mom, I'm trying to tell you that even a religious person, will understand that what you are saying, is madness.
Other thing, I say you used, the "creation needs a creator" thing before, let me ask you something. What has created god? and god's god? and god's god god?
Ozone layer "can" protect us against meteorits too? Ok, now I really end the discussion.
No, if religious people found this distubing, they would reply and tell me. But all the replies are from atheists, so your mom can't be that religious.
And about that question, search in youtube, you get clear evidence that God Himself wasn't created, evidence enough that your brain even understands. You tell me to research, when you have wrong in scientific (about the meteorites), and wrong about wrong about the earthquakes happen due to "constant movement" that means there should be "constant earthquakes" and wrong about this as well.
Therefore I end the discussion here (!)
No, if religious people found this distubing, they would reply and tell me. But all the replies are from atheists, so your mom can't be that religious.
And about that question, search in youtube, you get clear evidence that God Himself wasn't created, evidence enough that your brain even understands. You tell me to research, when you have wrong in scientific (about the meteorites), and wrong about wrong about the earthquakes happen due to "constant movement" that means there should be "constant earthquakes" and wrong about this as well.
Therefore I end the discussion here (!)
With the logic of that "if I see a mistake I end my discussion", you have just made a TERRIBLE error by saying all the stuff you've said before. What is that? End of the world then.
OZONE LAYER does protect us against meteorits, depends the size. IT WORNS THEM. SO THAT'S WHY THE SIZE MATTER. It's proportional. An example, put a bulletproof vest on your chest, I will shoot you with a glock, and then with the most powerful rifle in the world :)
And yes religious people should found that declarations of the end of the world, are wrong and senseless.
Hahahahahaha, the earth is in constant movement and earthquakes are not? It's proportional too. HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT, stop trying to find mistakes in what I'm saying, it's just as easy as writing "earthquakes wikipedia" in your searching motor aplication. I've already gave you a lesson about and you want more? Can't believe it.
WIKIPEDIA my friend, as easy as it.
And about the creation needs a creator thing, you've just used it, so I use it as a valid thing to argue about, and saying that that logic is wrong. Because if everything a creator, god does too. With the difference that if a car is created (for example) I can contact his designer, see the paper project, etc, have you ever seen god's factory? Or god itself? I don't think so, well, you call that faith.
Thanks for ending your discussion here. And I insist, go to school if you haven't, or WIKIPEDIA, easy as that.
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OZONE LAYER does protect us against meteorits, depends the size. IT WORNS THEM. SO THAT'S WHY THE SIZE MATTER. It's proportional. An example, put a bulletproof vest on your chest, I will shoot you with a glock, and then with the most powerful rifle in the world :)
And yes religious people should found that declarations of the end of the world, are wrong and senseless.
Hahahahahaha, the earth is in constant movement and earthquakes are not? It's proportional too. HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT, stop trying to find mistakes in what I'm saying, it's just as easy as writing "earthquakes wikipedia" in your searching motor aplication. I've already gave you a lesson about and you want more? Can't believe it.
WIKIPEDIA my friend, as easy as it.
And about the creation needs a creator thing, you've just used it, so I use it as a valid thing to argue about, and saying that that logic is wrong. Because if everything a creator, god does too. With the difference that if a car is created (for example) I can contact his designer, see the paper project, etc, have you ever seen god's factory? Or god itself? I don't think so, well, you call that faith.
Thanks for ending your discussion here. And I insist, go to school if you haven't, or WIKIPEDIA, easy as that.
Post edited 2011-05-13 19:12:04
"There's more scientific proof than you think. Firstly, look up to the skies, moon, stars and wonder how everything came to excisting."
So that's a scientific proof that God exists?
Man... seriously, no comments.
So that's a scientific proof that God exists?
Man... seriously, no comments.
Please if you can't believe what he wrote there, read #1701.
with regards to believing and proving and so forth, there's a very funny quote but true nonetheless by ricky gervais: http://i.imgur.com/RliYc.jpg
lol super nice and sensible quote..
on the topic, there are lots of very interesting and deep songs on religion..
eg: listen to "Nevermore - this godless endeavour" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a90HLwl6IfA
absolutely insane song with really deep lyrics.. you can find good discussion on it here:
http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/3530822107858551207/
on the topic, there are lots of very interesting and deep songs on religion..
eg: listen to "Nevermore - this godless endeavour" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a90HLwl6IfA
absolutely insane song with really deep lyrics.. you can find good discussion on it here:
http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/3530822107858551207/
LOL, you just brought music to a debate?
:D
:D
for me music is the religion! i assure you there is a lot of philosophy behind lots of songs...
btw that song is about how the world is full of mysteries and mankind is unable to explain this ever expanding blackness surrounding us..
and then some ppl foolishly use god as an excuse to explain whatever they cant understand.. eg. where did we come from?? god created us.. end of the story..
so on earth we keep fighting this endless wars on religion while "god" seats above hiding his face watching us exterminate ourselves over him..
thats some deep shit right there...
btw that song is about how the world is full of mysteries and mankind is unable to explain this ever expanding blackness surrounding us..
and then some ppl foolishly use god as an excuse to explain whatever they cant understand.. eg. where did we come from?? god created us.. end of the story..
so on earth we keep fighting this endless wars on religion while "god" seats above hiding his face watching us exterminate ourselves over him..
thats some deep shit right there...
Music is my religion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kKVAdm5zNM&fea..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kKVAdm5zNM&fea..
I love Ricky :)
it's a never ending story, everyone can believe in what ever he wants.
you can't believe god exists, nor he dosent exist, it's just you against.. you.
you can't believe god exists, nor he dosent exist, it's just you against.. you.
Foolish of you to post a blog on religion when the vast majority of people here are just blind-atheists who jump in to the bandwagon because "It makes more sense" rofl.
I am 1000000000000000000% sure that 100% of the atheists here haven't even read the Qur'aan before drawing to a conclusion that there is no God.
I rest my case.
Post edited 2011-05-10 11:00:27
I am 1000000000000000000% sure that 100% of the atheists here haven't even read the Qur'aan before drawing to a conclusion that there is no God.
I rest my case.
Post edited 2011-05-10 11:00:27
be kind,thank GOD that you read Quran but now tell them if they dont know yet.
you must be new to these forums. I've tried in the past but the people here are really ignorant and stubborn when it comes to religion. So I prefer to just speak about CS related subjects.
nah i am pretty old, yea i know about some people but dont make fun of ne religion this will cause hatred.
Of course you prefer to talk about cs related subjects instead of this, cause you have no brain.
Says the ignorant atheist. I've read your previous posts and you haven't backed up any of your comments. Troll atheist(Wow, is there anything worse than that?).
Ok, so you have more brain like I have just because I use logical thoughts to exprese myself? IGNORANT ATHEIS? what do you believe in? what's your "religion"? tell me that
I chanllenge you to express what you think, what you believe, saying I haven't backed up any of my comments, I would expect A LOGICAL, RATIONAL and NON-MAGICAL proof coming out of your fingers.
P.S please do not quote the bible if you are a christian, do not quote the quoran if you are a muslim, and do not quote uncle frodo's book if you are a hobbit.
lol i quoted myself
Post edited 2011-05-11 18:07:28
P.S please do not quote the bible if you are a christian, do not quote the quoran if you are a muslim, and do not quote uncle frodo's book if you are a hobbit.
lol i quoted myself
Post edited 2011-05-11 18:07:28
I, unlike most people who are Muslims, follow my religion after doing research about the religion. I didn't become Muslim because of my parents, I became Muslim because the Qur'aan opened my eyes. It's not something easy to explain, only once you read it, you will understand. I've read the Bible, I've read the Bhagavad Gita, and I can tell you, no religion makes more sense than Islam. I found so many defects and errors in all religious books except the Qur'aan. It's a book that talks about how to be a good person, a good human-being, it talks about science as well.
The Qur'aan talks about SOO many scientific topics that were IMPOSSIBLE to have been discovered 1400 years ago, eg. Big Bang theory, water-cycle, human-body, it also tells the EXACT shape of the Earth(And they didn't have rockets or satellite technology to check out the exact shape of the earth 1400 years ago).
And there are MORE scientific facts in the Qur'aan that have YET been discovered, and once Scientists prove those right as well, you ignorant fools will again come back and say "It was a fluke". It looks really foolish, really. God has given us all so many signs of his existence, but so many of us ignore it :)
The Qur'aan talks about SOO many scientific topics that were IMPOSSIBLE to have been discovered 1400 years ago, eg. Big Bang theory, water-cycle, human-body, it also tells the EXACT shape of the Earth(And they didn't have rockets or satellite technology to check out the exact shape of the earth 1400 years ago).
And there are MORE scientific facts in the Qur'aan that have YET been discovered, and once Scientists prove those right as well, you ignorant fools will again come back and say "It was a fluke". It looks really foolish, really. God has given us all so many signs of his existence, but so many of us ignore it :)
First of all, I told you to give me facts, not from a book of your religion, because this is what happens, you take that as a "truth" till the part which is against it, proof you are wrong. It's easy to justify yourself like that, you talk about SOOOOOOOO many scientific topics right? How they did that? You believe in things that are a mistery, and I believe in real things, the one who has to open his eyes is you.
God has given us all so many signs of his existence, but so many of us ignore it :)
What signs?
It's not something easy to explain, only once you read it, you will understand.
Without reading it or the bible, I know how people are manipulated with that books. And I see it in you, talking about mystical forces acting in books and giving signs all over the world, that some ignore and others don't, or must I say, OTHERS CREATE.
I can tell you, you can give me a book explaining me the big ban theory (for example) and a book of your religion, and I would still believing what a think. Because is more factible, and I can experiment what I see everyday, like I say before, PHYSICS.
P.S I don't have to back up my comments, they back up themselves because I talk about something real and about things that are aproved my many others like me.
P.S 2 And don't tell me that the scientifics topics you talk there, are given in some kind of code or something. That would be hilarious.
God has given us all so many signs of his existence, but so many of us ignore it :)
What signs?
It's not something easy to explain, only once you read it, you will understand.
Without reading it or the bible, I know how people are manipulated with that books. And I see it in you, talking about mystical forces acting in books and giving signs all over the world, that some ignore and others don't, or must I say, OTHERS CREATE.
I can tell you, you can give me a book explaining me the big ban theory (for example) and a book of your religion, and I would still believing what a think. Because is more factible, and I can experiment what I see everyday, like I say before, PHYSICS.
P.S I don't have to back up my comments, they back up themselves because I talk about something real and about things that are aproved my many others like me.
P.S 2 And don't tell me that the scientifics topics you talk there, are given in some kind of code or something. That would be hilarious.
There is not even one error or wrong piece of information in the Qur'aan. And I challenge you, or anyone for that matter, to find even ONE mistake in the Qur'aan, HELL, I'll give you a lifetime to find one. And you give me 5 minutes and I'll find you numerous errors found in the Bible or any religious book for the matter.
I am talking only about FACTS btw. And sorry, but I don't feel your usage of the English language is up to a standard of understanding, no offence intended.
From what I can gather, you're trying to say that the facts in the Qur'aan were basically created by others. You are also implying that If i hand you a book regarding the Big Bang Theory and Qur'aan, irrespective of the facts the Qur'aan displays you will still ignore it.
Now I'll give my response. Firstly, the facts in the Qur'aan were not "added" later or after the revelation of the Qur'aan 1400 years ago. Proof? The Qur'aan is the only book in the world, that If all copies are removed, it can still be compiled again and again, forever. Because millions of people have memorized the book not just now, but for centuries. That is another unique quality of the Qur'aan. The original copy of the Qur'aan which is found in Saudi Arabia, the pages are so old that you can use scientific instruments to estimate the age of the pages, which again will show that they indeed were not edited like you claim.
Secondly you claim that If i hand you the Qur'aan or a book on the Big Bang theory, regardless of the facts you will not change your opinion. I rest my case here. You're just another stubborn atheist who is unwilling to open his eyes to the truth. Any more questions?
I am talking only about FACTS btw. And sorry, but I don't feel your usage of the English language is up to a standard of understanding, no offence intended.
From what I can gather, you're trying to say that the facts in the Qur'aan were basically created by others. You are also implying that If i hand you a book regarding the Big Bang Theory and Qur'aan, irrespective of the facts the Qur'aan displays you will still ignore it.
Now I'll give my response. Firstly, the facts in the Qur'aan were not "added" later or after the revelation of the Qur'aan 1400 years ago. Proof? The Qur'aan is the only book in the world, that If all copies are removed, it can still be compiled again and again, forever. Because millions of people have memorized the book not just now, but for centuries. That is another unique quality of the Qur'aan. The original copy of the Qur'aan which is found in Saudi Arabia, the pages are so old that you can use scientific instruments to estimate the age of the pages, which again will show that they indeed were not edited like you claim.
Secondly you claim that If i hand you the Qur'aan or a book on the Big Bang theory, regardless of the facts you will not change your opinion. I rest my case here. You're just another stubborn atheist who is unwilling to open his eyes to the truth. Any more questions?
Seeing that you didn't understand my point, the one who has an standard of understanding english, is you, no offence intended. Not leaving behind the fact that my english is very limited because I never studied it, just learned it by reading and forums.
And I never say I will ignore the quran, just I say to you that do not use a religious book, because I explained you what is the thing that happens. And you are just telling it Because millions of people have memorized the book not just now, but for centuries.
And thats what I think and cannot understand, how people can believe in a mysterious force, who is able to do everything, but do nothing.
And no, no more questions, considering I cannot understand them cause of my lack of understanding the language :(. But you forgot to answer me the "what signs" question.
P.S i rest my case here, like you said, we are going no where.
And I never say I will ignore the quran, just I say to you that do not use a religious book, because I explained you what is the thing that happens. And you are just telling it Because millions of people have memorized the book not just now, but for centuries.
And thats what I think and cannot understand, how people can believe in a mysterious force, who is able to do everything, but do nothing.
And no, no more questions, considering I cannot understand them cause of my lack of understanding the language :(. But you forgot to answer me the "what signs" question.
P.S i rest my case here, like you said, we are going no where.
Signs:
Scientific signs
Signs of the last day
etc
Scientific signs
Signs of the last day
etc
Scientific signs makes me more loyal to my idea, thank you for answering it, now we can rest our cases here. Good luck.
cool :D l0l
:P
tell me something that the quran says that science hasn't discovered yet please.
There is a cure for each and every single disease in this world. The number of earthquakes will increase a lot. The sting of a honey bee is used as a cure. And quite a lot of stuff about botany that I don't remember, but related to the gender's and feelings of plants.
Well you didn't say anything really surprising to me :o
Of course, nothing that he is saying should be sursprising, he repeats what he says again and again. He is thinking that,if sometime, we read the quran, we may think that that's the only truth, because it has no sense at all, and because it is something that is no understood, we gotta say: "hmmmmmmm okay, I don't know how they did it, but it's ok I accept it". Its like when a magician is making a show, he does something amazing, and you ask him: "HEY HOW THE HELL DID YOU DO THAT?". He will say: "I can't tell how I did it, its called magic!". And you will asume: "OK, hmmmmm, I don't know but thats magic, so its unquestionable! I buy it.", instead of thinking and opening your mind on how did he do it? You got my point?
Like what I wrote in a post someplace up here: "You won't keep searching for the truth, unless you find the answers. Religion is the one who simulates to give us answers and difficults our knowledge."
Why converting into a religion, seeing that what their books say, are the rights things, and leaving behind the irrational arguement those books give. If you read all of my post, I always get replied by guys who say me "but the quran says" "the bible says" "how can you explain that the quran...", stuff like that, and it doesn't happen only here, it happens everywhere, they have it that assumed that can't think for themselves when they are threatened by logical and rational reactions, they gotta show the "EVIDENCE FROM THEIR HOLY BOOK!"
And I will quote the great muslim kh4n, for you, to see of what Im talking about: The Qur'aan is the only book in the world, that If all copies are removed, it can still be compiled again and again, forever. Because millions of people have memorized the book not just now, but for centuries.
Hope we share ideas.
Like what I wrote in a post someplace up here: "You won't keep searching for the truth, unless you find the answers. Religion is the one who simulates to give us answers and difficults our knowledge."
Why converting into a religion, seeing that what their books say, are the rights things, and leaving behind the irrational arguement those books give. If you read all of my post, I always get replied by guys who say me "but the quran says" "the bible says" "how can you explain that the quran...", stuff like that, and it doesn't happen only here, it happens everywhere, they have it that assumed that can't think for themselves when they are threatened by logical and rational reactions, they gotta show the "EVIDENCE FROM THEIR HOLY BOOK!"
And I will quote the great muslim kh4n, for you, to see of what Im talking about: The Qur'aan is the only book in the world, that If all copies are removed, it can still be compiled again and again, forever. Because millions of people have memorized the book not just now, but for centuries.
Hope we share ideas.
Firstly, I would like to remind you that the person who wrote the Qur'aan was Prophet Muhammad(SAW), who was an uneducated and illiterate human being. How can someone who did not have any knowledge of science or know how to write such fantastic literature, be able to predict scientific discovers that took place centuries later?
Don't believe me?
Prof. Gerald G. Goeringer
"..this description antedates by many centuries the recording of .. traditional scientific literature."
Prof. William W. Hey
"I would think it must be [from] the divine being."
Prof. E. Marshall Johnson
"I see nothing in conflict that ...divine intervention was involved."
Prof. Joe Simpson
"..knowledge in the Quran .. derived from God.”
And many, many more scientists have accepted that the Qur'aan is most probably the word of God. You don't believe me?
I will now use your example of the magician...
Say a magician performs a magic trick... You are amazed and you ask him how he did it? He doesn't explain so you just deal with it and treat it as "magic".
You see the world, you ask me "How did this world get created?" And I will quote to you the ayaat's where the Qur'aan speaks about the Big-Bang theory and how everything was formed. You know the "trick" of how the world was created yet you still won't believe it...
I just remembered one more thing the Qur'aan mentions, that the Universe is expanding... Yeah I'm sure an illiterate, uneducated human being predicted that 1400 years ago without any use of technology ;)
Don't believe me?
Prof. Gerald G. Goeringer
"..this description antedates by many centuries the recording of .. traditional scientific literature."
Prof. William W. Hey
"I would think it must be [from] the divine being."
Prof. E. Marshall Johnson
"I see nothing in conflict that ...divine intervention was involved."
Prof. Joe Simpson
"..knowledge in the Quran .. derived from God.”
And many, many more scientists have accepted that the Qur'aan is most probably the word of God. You don't believe me?
I will now use your example of the magician...
Say a magician performs a magic trick... You are amazed and you ask him how he did it? He doesn't explain so you just deal with it and treat it as "magic".
You see the world, you ask me "How did this world get created?" And I will quote to you the ayaat's where the Qur'aan speaks about the Big-Bang theory and how everything was formed. You know the "trick" of how the world was created yet you still won't believe it...
I just remembered one more thing the Qur'aan mentions, that the Universe is expanding... Yeah I'm sure an illiterate, uneducated human being predicted that 1400 years ago without any use of technology ;)
Again quoting the mysterious quran and seems that you don't understand my point. Senseless. And again with the "how did world created" question. Seeing you have quoted the quran so many times, I ask you why are you asking this? Didn't god created the world by many religions and in yours? Or started to create it? Well, then you should take it as a truth, and won't argue with me about it.
And here is another quote from the great muslim kh4n: You clearly didn't read what I just typed. Does the Qur'aan say to beat the shit out of your wife till she pleads "Stop, you're knife is way to deep inside my intestines!" NO!
The Qur'aan says to hit your wife LIGHTLY.
And I have to say, shame on him.
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The Qur'aan says to hit your wife LIGHTLY.
And I have to say, shame on him.
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Shame on me for quoting the Qur'aan and correcting you?
No, because thats immoral, and thats and error in quran, and contradiction, seeing you can beat your wife LIGHTLY (i loled again), if she crosses the line. That's the problem and what argue about, have you read my posts? Seems to me you don't get my point of view on this whole religious thread. And I get yours, cause you've being always quoting the quran!!!! As I said before, Im not limited by any "holy book" you could name me, im not brainwashed, and im keep searching for a rational.
I can make a prediction too, everyones going to die, am I wrong? Am I clever than Allah?
What you are predicting is a already known fact.
What the Qur'aan predicted were not facts 1400 years ago :)
Why don't you predict something that hasn't been a scientific discovery, smart-ass?
What the Qur'aan predicted were not facts 1400 years ago :)
Why don't you predict something that hasn't been a scientific discovery, smart-ass?
Like Nomad said before, we wan't NEW predictions! Because everything in quran you said is written, has been proven by science. The other things, have been proved by science, without being predictions of quran. You call me smart-ass, of course I am, you are the one who acts like a "all knower", taking that book as the only truth. You have been brainwashed.
I've stated the "new" predictions of the Qur'aan in various posts, and I'm to lazy to find them or re-post them for that matter.
Yep, and to lazy to open your mind perhaps.
You haven't stated any new predictions, at least when I asked you and you gave me no unknown predictions.
It just looks like you are waiting for science to discover something new, and then look for some weird metaphore in the text that could be interpreted in many different ways and call it a prediction!
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It just looks like you are waiting for science to discover something new, and then look for some weird metaphore in the text that could be interpreted in many different ways and call it a prediction!
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ofc they dont have any predictions.. they are just waiting for scientists to discover something so that they can dig up their books and "interpret" the same thing..
just leave'em alone.. this is pointless.. may allah give them peace in the heaven while we burn in hell..
just leave'em alone.. this is pointless.. may allah give them peace in the heaven while we burn in hell..
It's trully pointless, you are right, and sad thing is that they think that we think they are bad people, just for puting them on test, but expectating the quotes from their only books proofs or assuming it's just called "faith". Like it or not.
If you re-read your comments, you'll notice you haven't proved a single thing that Quran is wrong. However, in EVERY of your comment, you've been offensive & disrespectful. And that's how you are, while I've been replying more than you, and I haven't even offend anyone. Stop commenting here, please.
I can say quran is wrong by saying you can beat your wife LIGHTLY. How do I prove it? Its written in the quran itself. And im not being offensive and disrespectful in every comment I wrote, you are the one who feel threatened of me, because I don't share your magical and mysterious idea. Sorry but I do not buy. Or sorry, but I did have a choice on what I do believe.
And if you say "me stop commenting here", I would say to you, this is not a place for the thread you made. Good luck.
And if you say "me stop commenting here", I would say to you, this is not a place for the thread you made. Good luck.
I had and have a choice, and all does have a choice even in muslim countries. But just to make you understand - I've been livin' in Norway 12 years, and nothing could've stopped me from choosing this or that.
And if you feel that it's not the place, then I'll tell you again, stop commenting.
And if you feel that it's not the place, then I'll tell you again, stop commenting.
Not all, I don't think so. Maybe you've been lucky, of chosing your religion after reading the quran, and studying it, and questioning it (which I see you haven't). Because that's what all this is about. But seing your age, I don't believe you have already do all that.
And why you keep saying me to stop commenting here? You don't want my opinions now? I would say you stop commenting too, with that logic.
And why you keep saying me to stop commenting here? You don't want my opinions now? I would say you stop commenting too, with that logic.
No, I don't want your opinion in every single thing, as all of the previous has been mean.
Well, then don't quote me, ignore me if a hurt your feelings about the uthopia you living at.
You're not hurting me at all, I just don't want arrogant people in here, so make your own blog perhaps :)?
Am I being arrogant? Hahaha, ok dude, I will make my own blog if that makes you happy. Good luck.
I have nothing against muslims trust me but saying that the Qur'aan is flawless is a bit harsh...
Internal contradictions: Verses contradicting each other or the laws of logic
External errors: Verses contradicting the facts of history or science
Verses contradicting the earlier revelations...
Read this
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/
And then tell me...
Internal contradictions: Verses contradicting each other or the laws of logic
External errors: Verses contradicting the facts of history or science
Verses contradicting the earlier revelations...
Read this
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/
And then tell me...
I didn't read through all the contradictions, but just by going through a few of them, I drew to two conclusions. Either this guy is too desperate to find faults in the Qur'aan, or he is deliberately twisting the translation. Anyone with the knowledge of Arabic knows that a single change in the grammar can change the translation entirely. This is what the author of this website has clearly done. And I found several, several contradictions of his that are ill-informed and pointless because they are true facts. If you want, I am willing to answer each and every contradiction of his EVEN though I do not have 100% knowledge of Islam. In fact my knowledge is very very low compared to most other Muslims. But what I can tell you is, most of his contradictions are wrong :) If you want I can reply again with each contradiction. I do not care if you accept Allah is the creator or not, I just want you to understand that the Qur'aan has no mistakes :)
I accept God, there is one only one God in my eyes wheither you call him Allah/God/Jahwe. On the other hand claiming this or that religion is the true one is a bit weird to me. There are verses in the Qur'aan stating that if the women doesn't fullfill his man's sexual desires she must get beated and Angels will curse her all night long... I'm not saying the other books have no contradiction.
lol, I've read the Qur'aan, and there is no such verse like that :) Someone has just told you false facts... I'll tell you something... I'm sure you can find an English translation of the Qur'aan in ebay.com, you should read it yourself. I'm not asking you to become Muslim or anything, just for knowledge sake. I have read the Bible, I have read lots of religious books. I do not start religious debates like 100% of the people in the forum without having a standard level of knowledge of the religion. You might find this funny, but I'm a Muslim, but I know sooooo much more about Christianity than so many of my Christian friends. And you know what Muslims believe? We believe that we and Christians are actually VERY similar. Very few differences. I can explain further but I'm so tired :P hope you can understand
Anyways, peace brother.
Anyways, peace brother.
Yes I know that there is a big similiraty, and Muhammed was saved by the Christians when he fled to Ethiopia or Yemen. But for instance the Shariah is really fucked up, no offence, women may get stoned for something, Muhamed once protected a woman from being stoned just like Jesus and said: ' The one that never sinned take the first stone and throw it ' nobody took the stone. Shariah goes in contradiction with the message of peace that normally every religion brings.
I'm not quite sure with what you're saying but yes, back in the old days they used to stone anyone(woman or man) who used to cheat on his/her partner. Sex before marriage or with someone other than your partner is treated as a very huge sin in Islam.
Christianism, Islam and Judaism have the same basis, but the details are different. I personally believe that every religion is now corrupted and used to get money. The oldest Quran they have now is like 20-25 years after Muhameds death, and the oldest bible they have now is like from the 3rd century after Jesus. I'm not convinced things didn't get changed during all that time by some mighty people. I might be wrong, after all I'm just a normal human being :) In no way I meant to offence you if I did.
I never take offence in discussions, relax. I know I'm speaking with people who are just sharing their views on an interesting subject. We both could be wrong, who knows? I've done a lot of research, and I'm sure you have as well, thats why we shouldn't get offended because we are just sharing information. I learnt more about Christianity thanks to you so cheers for that :)
I really enjoy these kind of conversations. Until now everyone tried with force insults, flaming and science to convince me that God doesn't exist :) I'm glad to see that a normal conversation is still possible.
Most people have good reasons to believe God doesn't exist. But all those reasons can easily be explained to why God does exist. I respect their opinions, but I just dislike it when they insult someones God or religion. They say "Freedom of speech", yeah ok, freedom of speech is fine but why do you want to deliberately hurt 1,000,000 peoples feelings? It's immature. If you dislike someones religion or beliefs, share your views in a peaceful manner.
"Most people have good reasons to believe God doesn't exist. But all those reasons can easily be explained to why God does exist."
"...can easily be expained..."
If you call stupid stories that ignorants love, something to explain easily another thing... Yeah it's easy to explain why God exists.
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"...can easily be expained..."
If you call stupid stories that ignorants love, something to explain easily another thing... Yeah it's easy to explain why God exists.
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In regard to inheritance Allah commands you concerning your children: that the share of a boy shall be twice that of a girl. In the case where there are more than two girls, their share will be two thirds of the state; but if there is only one girl, her share will be one half of the estate. If the deceased left children behind, each of the parents shall get one sixth of the state, but if the deceased left no children and the parents are the only heirs, the mother shall get one third of the estate, but if the deceased left brothers and sisters, then the mother will get one sixth of it.
[4:11]
Your wives shall inherit one fourth if you leave no child behind you; but if you leave a child, then they shall get one-eighth of your estate.
[4:12]
Read bold parts carefully. So, let's imagine situation: Man has 3 daughters, mother, father and wife. Unfortunatly he dies. By Qu'ran his daughters inherit 2/3 of his estate, his mother inherits 1/6, father 1/6 and wife 1/8 of his estate. He is pretty much fucked and goes to hell?
In regard to inheritance Allah commands you concerning your children: that the share of a boy shall be twice that of a girl. In the case where there are more than two girls, their share will be two thirds of the state; but if there is only one girl, her share will be one half of the estate. If the deceased left children behind, each of the parents shall get one sixth of the state, but if the deceased left no children and the parents are the only heirs, the mother shall get one third of the estate, but if the deceased left brothers and sisters, then the mother will get one sixth of it.
[4:11]
Your wives shall inherit one fourth if you leave no child behind you; but if you leave a child, then they shall get one-eighth of your estate.
[4:12]
Read bold parts carefully. So, let's imagine situation: Man has 3 daughters, mother, father and wife. Unfortunatly he dies. By Qu'ran his daughters inherit 2/3 of his estate, his mother inherits 1/6, father 1/6 and wife 1/8 of his estate. He is pretty much fucked and goes to hell?
From what I can gather, you are asking me how the inheritance will be divided if the deceased has left behind a wife, a father and a mother, and three daughters. Now I will show you how it will be divided according to the Qur'aan(Allah forgive me if I make an error).
1/3 of the estate goes to the parents. This was calculated by 1/6 + 1/6 which goes to the father and mother respectively.
1/8 goes to his wife.
And now, the remainder of the estate goes to the children; which means, the daughters get 2/3 of the remaining estate.
So let's say the estate is 100 dollars.
Parents get $33.333....
Wife gets $12.5
Daughters get $36.111
And whatever is left goes to charity.
Anymore questions?
1/3 of the estate goes to the parents. This was calculated by 1/6 + 1/6 which goes to the father and mother respectively.
1/8 goes to his wife.
And now, the remainder of the estate goes to the children; which means, the daughters get 2/3 of the remaining estate.
So let's say the estate is 100 dollars.
Parents get $33.333....
Wife gets $12.5
Daughters get $36.111
And whatever is left goes to charity.
Anymore questions?
No. If you strictly follow Quran it would be as I said which adds up above 100%, but if you follow Shai Islam school then it would be something like you said. On the other hand, Sunni Islam would proportionaly lower inheritance for each person. This means that Quran isn't flawless as you said.
And existance of two ways of Islam (Shia and Sunni) means that there are different ways of interpreting Quran and if it was PERFECT everyone would interpret it the same way.
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And existance of two ways of Islam (Shia and Sunni) means that there are different ways of interpreting Quran and if it was PERFECT everyone would interpret it the same way.
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Uhh you are mistaken my friend... Shia and Sunni are totally different types of Muslims. Shia believe Hazrat Ali is the last messenge of Allah, while we Sunni's believe it to be Mohammad(SAW). I do not know about how Shia's interpret the Qur'aan but Sunni's follow whatever is in the Qur'aan.
There is one more thing you have to take into consideration, is that we Muslims do not just follow the Qur'aan, but we follow the Hadith as well. Hadith is basically the sayings and teachings of the Prophet Mohammad(SAW). In one of his hadith he speaks about inheritance, in which it is mentioned that the inheritance of the children is done at the end.
The Qur'aan isn't showing any flaws because it is just showing the distribution of how the inheritance is spread. It doesn't say who's inheritance should be first and last, then again, it doesn't reveal every single information about the world. Every Muslim must follow the Qur'aan and Hadith otherwise he is not a Muslim. Hadith shows how to pray, if you do not know how to pray, you are not a Muslim. So a lot of non-Muslim people don't know this fact as well.
There is one more thing you have to take into consideration, is that we Muslims do not just follow the Qur'aan, but we follow the Hadith as well. Hadith is basically the sayings and teachings of the Prophet Mohammad(SAW). In one of his hadith he speaks about inheritance, in which it is mentioned that the inheritance of the children is done at the end.
The Qur'aan isn't showing any flaws because it is just showing the distribution of how the inheritance is spread. It doesn't say who's inheritance should be first and last, then again, it doesn't reveal every single information about the world. Every Muslim must follow the Qur'aan and Hadith otherwise he is not a Muslim. Hadith shows how to pray, if you do not know how to pray, you are not a Muslim. So a lot of non-Muslim people don't know this fact as well.
So 100 years after Mohammad's death Allah decided to write expansion to his book because he forgot to put something in Quran...? And how can you say it isn't corrupted? I mean it's the same as Christian apostles writing gospels 200 years after Jesus' death.
100 years after the death of Mohammad? Are you mad? These hadith were recorded during the time of Mohammad. These are HIS sayings, HIS actions and HIS teachings. Hadith is the way of the Prophet. It allows us Muslims to see how he lived his life, and so we can imitate him.
And Allah didn't forget to put something in the Qur'aan, if he had put every single detail of information that all you atheists say is "lacking", then you would all be Muslims right now as the Qur'aan shows the ENTIRE truth in FULL DETAIL, well in-fact the Qur'aan shows the ENTIRE truth but not in full detail for a FEW scientific facts.
And Allah didn't forget to put something in the Qur'aan, if he had put every single detail of information that all you atheists say is "lacking", then you would all be Muslims right now as the Qur'aan shows the ENTIRE truth in FULL DETAIL, well in-fact the Qur'aan shows the ENTIRE truth but not in full detail for a FEW scientific facts.
why we must read the qur'aan?, or the bible for example?, are you implying we must read "all" the books about all religions and choose one? which is the right one? Why?
IMO the main subject of all religions is/should be to do "the good".But you don't need religion to be a better person...
I was educated in a catholic way. I went to catechism for about 5 - 6 years. I don't believe in a God(someone superior, with powers, etc)
IMO the main subject of all religions is/should be to do "the good".But you don't need religion to be a better person...
I was educated in a catholic way. I went to catechism for about 5 - 6 years. I don't believe in a God(someone superior, with powers, etc)
Blind atheists, bullshit. Let the people think what they think. I think that there is no god but that is my opinion. You have yours. Good day to you.
I'm not trying to change what anyone is thinking. I am just expressing what I think. Am I not allowed to express my opinion?
You're just a typical religion-hater.
And by the way, I don't "Think" God doesn't exist, I know for a fact that God exists.
You're just a typical religion-hater.
And by the way, I don't "Think" God doesn't exist, I know for a fact that God exists.
Religion-hater? Thats a little harsh? lol? Where did I state I was?-.-
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Then I apologize for my comment. After reading the majority of the posts here, I just felt that every atheist is a hater of religion and God.
ITS BACKWARDS, BLIND CHRISTIANS YOU MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Every thing has a creator, who is ours?
Every thing on earth has a purpose, what is ours?
Think who manages the world?
Who created the earth?
What happen to people after they die?
Why we are here if we just had to live our lives?
Islam answers these questions.do you want answers?
Islam is based on proves NOT on how we feel.
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Every thing on earth has a purpose, what is ours?
Think who manages the world?
Who created the earth?
What happen to people after they die?
Why we are here if we just had to live our lives?
Islam answers these questions.do you want answers?
Islam is based on proves NOT on how we feel.
Post edited 2011-05-10 11:13:30
problem is when you think of a God, you generally think of a person(a man), no a "thing", an "event", something that doesn't imply superiority
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when i think of a GOD i don't think like that, it depends on how your elders told you about GOD when you were a kid. for example if your parents told you that GOD is Jesus you would think that GOD is a man or something like that.
it depends on how your elders told you about GOD when you were a kid
YOU ARE ANSWERING ALL YOUR QUESTIONS YOURSELF, CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!
YOU ARE ANSWERING ALL YOUR QUESTIONS YOURSELF, CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!
I believe God exists, the earth is way too perfect to have came randomly of a random explosion... If the earth would have been 1meter closer/further from the sun, life would have been impossible... Another thing is that religious people have like a "goal" in their life, while non religious don't... And seriously why are you people all seeing religion as a bad thing ? Everything written in it brings a message of peace and love, and solidarity...
I really think they want the "truth". As perhaps they can't really find the truth in their religion even when reading. Many people leave their religion when not finding answers, but then don't you think it's about time to read about another religion?
'cause there are more "believers" than "disbelievers". For example, 1,6 billion muslims...Now why do they judge without reading the "manual" of what we really are following? He shouldn't judge, he should ask himself "why are so many following this path - are they all dumb, and I'm not?" :d
'cause there are more "believers" than "disbelievers". For example, 1,6 billion muslims...Now why do they judge without reading the "manual" of what we really are following? He shouldn't judge, he should ask himself "why are so many following this path - are they all dumb, and I'm not?" :d
"1meter closer/further from the sun, life would have been impossible" - wrong. But also this entire line of thought is so crazy, did you consider that BECAUSE "earth is so omg lol perfect" is WHY we evolved here, and not on some other planet? And not only that, we also evolved to perfectly live within the environment that earth provides, and thus it looks perfect.. Take a fish that has evolved in an environment that is perfect for it (water) and move it on land, now how perfect is the earth for this poor fish?
Yea Jihad and what not sure is a message of peace, love and solidarity..
What sad being needs religion to provide a purpose for living? How about just being a nice person because you like to, and not because someone is judging you?
Yea Jihad and what not sure is a message of peace, love and solidarity..
What sad being needs religion to provide a purpose for living? How about just being a nice person because you like to, and not because someone is judging you?
There are lots of examples like the one you denied about the Sun being 1 meter closer (take the human body for instance). The mere existence of a planet providing all the essential conditions for life is a miracle, the whole diversity of animal's habitats is a miracle as well (the water is for fish, air for birds etc.). And what about the adaptation mechanisms? I can tell you I study medicine and every day I'm more amazed how complicated your body is, it's simply impossible that such a great and complex machine was created just by itself, all by coincidence.
I wouldn't use Jihad as a example of religion, it's just fanaticism and regardless of religion it's a bad thing.
Your last paragraph made me smile. To be honest I think you are the sad person. I mean come on, you think the purpose of life is to make money? Get a job and be happy about it? Run a webpage about a computer game visited mostly by 15-year olds? You may try anything but the questions about "why am I here" will eventually come. Sooner or later. Religion and family give you answers to these questions and provide you a feeling of safety that your journey doesn't end here.
I wouldn't use Jihad as a example of religion, it's just fanaticism and regardless of religion it's a bad thing.
Your last paragraph made me smile. To be honest I think you are the sad person. I mean come on, you think the purpose of life is to make money? Get a job and be happy about it? Run a webpage about a computer game visited mostly by 15-year olds? You may try anything but the questions about "why am I here" will eventually come. Sooner or later. Religion and family give you answers to these questions and provide you a feeling of safety that your journey doesn't end here.
The distance to the sun varies a lot each year, what do you think the seasons are? Hint: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_orbit
The earth is in the "goldilocks zone" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldilocks_zone#Goldilocks_zone - a place where water is liquid which really helps with life as we know it, so yea, the earth is pretty amazing, but here comes the kicker:
There are billions and billions of planets outthere, some of them are BOUND to be in the goldilocks zone of their stars, earth just happens to be one of them, and therefore we evolved and are here to observe it. Reversing it saying that Earth was made for us is so funny, as a med student surely you must see very CLEAR signs of evolution..
Funny how the mitochondria looks so much like a bacteria huh? Odd how our eyes are wired with the light sensitive cells reversed so we have all the nerves giving us a blind spot isn't it? How fantastic is that design? Any hint of intelligence would have done that right from the start, but evolution cannot when the arms race that is eyes is already on, then radical changes are not possible.. Look at the squid where the eyes evolved independently and came out right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the_eye - and there are MANY more examples.. Humans are fantastic machines, but nothing suggests we have required a designer or divine intervention.
There is no coincidence in evolution, there are random mutations, and traits are then selected for, this take out the random part, as it is not random changes that survive, but changes that benefit the individuals that receive them. Evolution is like designing blindly, but testing really well, which means that given enough tries, you are bound to hit on something that works.
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The earth is in the "goldilocks zone" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldilocks_zone#Goldilocks_zone - a place where water is liquid which really helps with life as we know it, so yea, the earth is pretty amazing, but here comes the kicker:
There are billions and billions of planets outthere, some of them are BOUND to be in the goldilocks zone of their stars, earth just happens to be one of them, and therefore we evolved and are here to observe it. Reversing it saying that Earth was made for us is so funny, as a med student surely you must see very CLEAR signs of evolution..
Funny how the mitochondria looks so much like a bacteria huh? Odd how our eyes are wired with the light sensitive cells reversed so we have all the nerves giving us a blind spot isn't it? How fantastic is that design? Any hint of intelligence would have done that right from the start, but evolution cannot when the arms race that is eyes is already on, then radical changes are not possible.. Look at the squid where the eyes evolved independently and came out right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the_eye - and there are MANY more examples.. Humans are fantastic machines, but nothing suggests we have required a designer or divine intervention.
There is no coincidence in evolution, there are random mutations, and traits are then selected for, this take out the random part, as it is not random changes that survive, but changes that benefit the individuals that receive them. Evolution is like designing blindly, but testing really well, which means that given enough tries, you are bound to hit on something that works.
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Yeah but why do you have a problem with people who believe in God ? You look only at the people who are doing bad things in name of the religion, which they know nothing about... And my first sentence with 1 meter/closer... is just a way of speaking, an explosion couldn't create all this... You only look at the bad, try to look at the good things too... We shouldn't blame God for our own mistakes, it's way too easy...
"an explosion couldn't create all this" - uh huh, well if you say so, but then lets take it further, what or who created your almighty god?
I have a problem with people believing in god spewing out bullshit, e.g. using made up evidence like the distance to the sun, or not understanding the basics of evolution..
I have a problem with people believing in god spewing out bullshit, e.g. using made up evidence like the distance to the sun, or not understanding the basics of evolution..
Big Bang theory is not even proved...
I have a problem with people who always wan't to look everything scientifically but you can't, there are some things who are just above science... The distance of the sun is just a way of speaking, if you don't understand what I meant.
God is eternal... You believe what you want, but don't come with that crap Big Bang theory that isn't even proved... And how does evolution say God doesn't exist ? Maybe God was behind it...
I have a problem with people who always wan't to look everything scientifically but you can't, there are some things who are just above science... The distance of the sun is just a way of speaking, if you don't understand what I meant.
God is eternal... You believe what you want, but don't come with that crap Big Bang theory that isn't even proved... And how does evolution say God doesn't exist ? Maybe God was behind it...
Ok, so the big bang theory is not proved, but god always existed? Where is the proof of that? Has gravity been proved? Would you jump off a cliff since gravity is just a theory?
And yes, evolution says nothing about Abiogenesis, surely your god could have created the first life which then evolved, but if you believe that then you cannot say that the complexity of a human is proof of a god. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.
And yes, evolution says nothing about Abiogenesis, surely your god could have created the first life which then evolved, but if you believe that then you cannot say that the complexity of a human is proof of a god. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.
Can you prove that God doesn't exist ? no
The complexity of a human is proof of a God, because if he created the first form of life and it later evolved, maybe he had it all planned out ? Look I'm a religious person, faith comes from the heart, and I tell you right now I can't give you all the answers you seek, but I know that God exists for sure, you are looking as a scientist, always facts and stuff, you think from your head, but you can't answer some questions either... This could be an endless debate about who's right and who's wrong, the only thing I want to say is, look at the good sides of relgion, like the messages of peace, love, solidarity, an example are The 10 commandments which in no way are bad...
The complexity of a human is proof of a God, because if he created the first form of life and it later evolved, maybe he had it all planned out ? Look I'm a religious person, faith comes from the heart, and I tell you right now I can't give you all the answers you seek, but I know that God exists for sure, you are looking as a scientist, always facts and stuff, you think from your head, but you can't answer some questions either... This could be an endless debate about who's right and who's wrong, the only thing I want to say is, look at the good sides of relgion, like the messages of peace, love, solidarity, an example are The 10 commandments which in no way are bad...
Can you prove that I am not god? No.
If the burden of evidence is on me to prove that god does not exists then the burden of evidence is on you to prove that I am not god.
The funny thing about science is that it doesn't boil down to a discussion about who is right or wrong, because it is founded in evidence, and thus there is nothing to discuss..
And sure, religion does preach good things in some occasions, but that is no reason to dig your head into the sand refusing to look at evidence.
If the burden of evidence is on me to prove that god does not exists then the burden of evidence is on you to prove that I am not god.
The funny thing about science is that it doesn't boil down to a discussion about who is right or wrong, because it is founded in evidence, and thus there is nothing to discuss..
And sure, religion does preach good things in some occasions, but that is no reason to dig your head into the sand refusing to look at evidence.
I can prove that you are not god, cause you are a human, just like the others... And what kind of question is that ?
You say in science there is nothing to discuss, well give me your proof that God doesn't exist, because science only exists because of proof... If you don't have any evidence, why are you talking then ? If you don't have any proof, any evidence it isn't really science
Religion doesn't need prove, it requires a heart filled with love, peace for every life form in this planet but also for God.
You say in science there is nothing to discuss, well give me your proof that God doesn't exist, because science only exists because of proof... If you don't have any evidence, why are you talking then ? If you don't have any proof, any evidence it isn't really science
Religion doesn't need prove, it requires a heart filled with love, peace for every life form in this planet but also for God.
"I can prove that you are not god, cause you are a human, just like the others... And what kind of question is that ?"
I can prove that god does not exist, because he doesn't exist, just like the tooth fairy... And what kind of proof is that?!
I can prove that god does not exist, because he doesn't exist, just like the tooth fairy... And what kind of proof is that?!
Just let it go, you won't understand anyway
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just let him, I've seen people giving him some nice arguments in an old similar thread but he never agreed, if you believe in God then you shouldn't care much about what other believe in
If you have any proof that God doesn't exist, then we can end this topic, if you don't, then why bother talking about all scientific stuff ?
Why don't you get me some evidence that god DOES exist? Other than "HE EXISTS BECAUSE I SAY SO" that is.
I said to you, Religion comes from the heart, not from facts, but science comes only from facts so it's up to you to "prove" that God doesn't exist... Gl with it ^^
You're making a claim that god does exist.
Science says that there is no reason to believe this claim to be true because there is no evidence that supports your claim.
So if you claim there really is a god provide some evidence.
Science says that there is no reason to believe this claim to be true because there is no evidence that supports your claim.
So if you claim there really is a god provide some evidence.
I said God exists, that's my point of view, and since religion comes not from facts and science but from the heart, proof is not needed... Nomad said before it's not because gravity wasn't proved that it doesn't exist...
I'm sure that's a good enough reason for you to believe that god exists, however, in no way this is a good reason for me to believe. I can't feel any god in my heart. And i think it's because my heart pumps blood and nothing else.
So, why should i believe in god?
"Nomad said before it's not because gravity wasn't proved that it doesn't exist..."
You're right, we can't prove that god doesn't exist. But that doesn't make it that he exists.
God we cannot observe.
There needs to be evidence.
Gravity is a label we put on a certain things(laws of physics in this case) that we can observe in reality. It exists.
heres evidence that God exists:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aszXCD2dPeE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aszXCD2dPeE
~YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION YOURSELF~AND THE WINNER IS: RaiNN~~
From heart then search a cure for cancer, assh0le.
From heart then search a cure for cancer, assh0le.
Ok, just stfu now
Yessssssssssssssssssssssssss, pray to god to come and send a messia with it, please im being serious :(
World really needs it, can't you believers do that? That would be simple for a perfect and omnipresent guy.
World really needs it, can't you believers do that? That would be simple for a perfect and omnipresent guy.
#96
21:30 - ''the heavens and the Earth were joined together (as one unit of Creation) before God cloved it asunder''
Don't state things without saying that only Allah knows the truth please.
Don't state things without saying that only Allah knows the truth please.
Well, alot are non believers, like you say, but we shouldn't judge them, because only God may judge over the people... Who are we to judge ? :)
We are noone to judge, and hopefully that didn't sound like judging, 'cause I meant, if there are so many following another thing, for example football, I'd watch and study it, then judging "shouldn't be said out loud". As you said "Who are we to judge"? :)
Who is God to judge?
please can you stop trolling against religion !
Man if you would be in the same country with me , I would be in Judge these day's for fucking killing you ! man stop fucking talking against god !
Man if you would be in the same country with me , I would be in Judge these day's for fucking killing you ! man stop fucking talking against god !
I see that the belief in god sure breeds some morally nice people who make the world a better place.. :-)
There is your religion, everybody. When you can't defend your God, kill the infidel...
Hmmmm nope, I'm sorry...
Like I said, we are no one to judge, so we can't take any actions against someone other, we leave it to God...
Like I said, we are no one to judge, so we can't take any actions against someone other, we leave it to God...
Cut to crap and speak for yourself. I judge who the hell I want to, and you can't stop me. Not even your wee omnipotent fairy.
Yes because you are a person with no education, and no moral values, you are just some barbarian from a cave...
No education? I actually graduate this year from Higher Commercial Examination Programme It's a business oriented education and takes 3 years after after completing 9 years in Elementary school. After the summer vacation start a 5 year course at a university. Considering my age, that's what you can expect, isn't it?
Moral values. May I suggest you to watch Sam Harris' lecture about "The Moral Landscape". He argues that you can define moral values with science. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTKf5cCm-9g)
No, I'm not a barbarian from a cave.
Moral values. May I suggest you to watch Sam Harris' lecture about "The Moral Landscape". He argues that you can define moral values with science. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTKf5cCm-9g)
No, I'm not a barbarian from a cave.
Cool story, but moral values goes in hand with respecting other people's opinion... And education goes in hand with being respectfull with everyone even if you don't agree with their statements.
Who are you to say that respecting other opinions is a good value (regarding this subject)? Education does not go hand in hand with being respectful, what the f... are you talking about?
You know fuck all about moral values and ethics, and you certainly does not know more than me about them.
You know fuck all about moral values and ethics, and you certainly does not know more than me about them.
"but moral values goes in hand with respecting other people's opinion"
doesnt that apply for you too?
doesnt that apply for you too?
Do you see any of my post where I didn't respect someone's opinion, I'm not the one that calls atheists stupid, or lost souls are infidels or w/e, I'm here discussing normally, when people start flaming, insulting etc...
you clearly don't respect other people's opinions
Where do you see that ? Check my posts and you will see... I'm not the one insulting, flaming... It looks to me that the atheists are the one's insulting, complaining, flaming and talking trash towards God... I said in my other posts, that we are no-one to judge others, believer or atheist, I just defend when I'm being attacked, people don't talk here with respect, they insult you etc...
Adults with imaginary friends are stupid.
People who believe we come from monkeys are stupid... If you want to be a monkey okay, but I'm from Adam & Eve :)
The Theory of Evolution is the simple best explanation for life on earth that is supported by evidence. (NOT STUPID)
There is no evidence that this being called god created us. And it is unreasonable to believe this to be true if it's not justified and supported by any real evidence! (STUPID)
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There is no evidence that this being called god created us. And it is unreasonable to believe this to be true if it's not justified and supported by any real evidence! (STUPID)
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lol seriously??
its okay that you are believing in something that has not been proven (for whatever reasons).. but its utterly mental to call others stupid who believe in something that has been proven...
its okay that you are believing in something that has not been proven (for whatever reasons).. but its utterly mental to call others stupid who believe in something that has been proven...
So, the world was populated with incest right?
I don't think religion approves incest....
Or am I wrong?
I don't think religion approves incest....
Or am I wrong?
Ok so Darwin was stupid?
Yes, his theory is not accepted by all scientist, alot of them say it's not true...
Ok, who is more stupid Darwin or The Pope?
Did I ever said what the Pope and the church is doing is legit ? No... I'm just saying RELIGION is something personal, a relationship with God, and it comes from the heart :) But you won't be able to understand.
Dind't I make it clear? Science vs Religion? You can understand the bible codes and you can't understand this? And if you think you have a releationship with a ghost go to a psychiatrist.
Waaoow you're pathetic, seriously I hope God has mercy on your soul! And I'm convinced that ghosts do exist, for personal reasons...
Ok, bye, and I hope when Mandingo dies, his ghost rapes you with his 40 inch pennis.
WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA your out look on this world and life really is hilarious. Really dude grow the fuck up and start thinking rational. Go to fucking school.
I don't see what's bad with having a bit of spirituality... I didn't imagine atheist to be like this, after what everyone says that religion and religious people are bad, from all the posts I got from atheists, not a single good one... And with liberty I meant, people think they are free to do everything they want but it's not the case, they can break into your house you can't kill them, autochtones live in fear in their own country, c'mon wtf is this ? (btw I'm allochtoon)
don't generalise please
We say that religious people are bad? We just say they follow the wrong ideas on how to live.
We say that religious people are bad? We just say they follow the wrong ideas on how to live.
Who is more stupid one random scientist or The Pope?
Are you trolling?
education and culture differ from each other
As much as you dont have good culture who needs education
i think you understand what i say with culture
As much as you dont have good culture who needs education
i think you understand what i say with culture
I think I understand you, but why should a religious culture be the better cultur? and why are morals and ethics taught by religion the "true" morals and ethics
dude i didnt say that religion culture or something like that but i mean you said i have education but as much as you flame people ... you dont have culture
Fuck you man, seriously! Fuck you!
No moral values my ass
No moral values my ass
There is no god!
than you are so so damn fucked up with your self !
See you at "Judgement day"
See you at "Judgement day"
ok lol. Its funny to see some people thinking that there is someone who controls everything somewhere in the sky and he will fuck us up if we do something wrong.
who created you ? Albert Einstein a scientist ?
#86 than you are so so damn fucked up with your self ! See you at "Judgement day"
I lolled at your comment. It seems your fucked up with your god-fanatism.
Why are you here then? Playing violent games and commenting on a CS1.6 forum. I don't think your priest welcomes that..
I lolled at your comment. It seems your fucked up with your god-fanatism.
Why are you here then? Playing violent games and commenting on a CS1.6 forum. I don't think your priest welcomes that..
cs is a part of fun !
oh man u are so radical and brainwashed, if u be in the west u'd be put on mental institute or jail
+1 hahaha
God does not want to "burn" anybody, therefore He has sent prophets, He has sent instructions.
But God doesn't need to show before us, like every inventors of any machinery you buy from. However, he writes a manual, explaining; "how you should use it".
The truth is, we burn ourselves.
But God doesn't need to show before us, like every inventors of any machinery you buy from. However, he writes a manual, explaining; "how you should use it".
The truth is, we burn ourselves.
Just a random question. Why wouldn't god just come over and show himself to everyone of us, once and for all. Will end the whole fighting, killing and what not, over religion?
Or does the god not even care that much, but would be willing to judge/punish people in the afterlife, JUST for using their minds, having their own beliefs or using the power of thought, which is given by him (since god designed us)?
Or does the god not even care that much, but would be willing to judge/punish people in the afterlife, JUST for using their minds, having their own beliefs or using the power of thought, which is given by him (since god designed us)?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2s14T6x5AM
Watch the start. From 0:45
In other words; You don't call the "Creator" and ask about the mechanism of the machinery. Firstly you read the manual. If you still don't get how it's used, then you call the sellers and ask.
What of "free will" don't you understand. We are the only creations that Almighty God has given free will too, but free will doesn't necessary mean you can live however you want; 'cause then this world would be in chaos. You see, every country has its own rules, and the goverment judges if someone has taken bad action.
Watch the start. From 0:45
In other words; You don't call the "Creator" and ask about the mechanism of the machinery. Firstly you read the manual. If you still don't get how it's used, then you call the sellers and ask.
What of "free will" don't you understand. We are the only creations that Almighty God has given free will too, but free will doesn't necessary mean you can live however you want; 'cause then this world would be in chaos. You see, every country has its own rules, and the goverment judges if someone has taken bad action.
I have seen that. I also made a mention of the great mr. zakir naik in the conversation leading up to #558. I'll just quote myself...
"Why is it that absolutely EVERYTHING is found in Quran only after scientists find it out, backed with solid proof?"
"what i'm saying is that they make up interpretations in a desperate attempt to synchronize it with science, so that the quran and hence the religion could stay relevant."
"Why is it that absolutely EVERYTHING is found in Quran only after scientists find it out, backed with solid proof?"
"what i'm saying is that they make up interpretations in a desperate attempt to synchronize it with science, so that the quran and hence the religion could stay relevant."
The christians scholars have edited the bible back then. And assuming we believed Bible once was Gods word as well, that means the scientific proofs shouldn't be wrong.
But some are, watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvNIgHA7nzQ
If Quran also was edited/man-made, then why isn't there an error of any scientifics there as well?
But some are, watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvNIgHA7nzQ
If Quran also was edited/man-made, then why isn't there an error of any scientifics there as well?
Wait, how is bible = science?
I haven't watched the video yet, but the title is "error in bible". How is that the same as proving science wrong?
I haven't watched the video yet, but the title is "error in bible". How is that the same as proving science wrong?
I'm not saying science is wrong, it's called errors because the scholars tried to prove that it's "still" the word of God even when editing, so they put some scientifics stuff. And the title is "errors" 'cause today with this advanced science, we can prove that "those scientifics are wrong".
Science evolves with the knowledge it has. Not sure if you have studied atomic structure, but there were atleast 4 different atomic models. Lavoiser, Dalton, Bohr etc. Before we got to the current one. As the study goes deeper and deeper, science gets more details and improves on it's theory. Based on >>extensive studies and facts<<. So, science proves itself wrong when it really is wrong and gives a reasons for the mistakes made in the past, which led to incorrect conclusions.
wait you fucking unbelievers , listen to me ?
who created you? a scientist ?
who created this planet ? a group of scientists ?
god doesn't exists ? really ? that try killing your self and face the power of god !
So most of Jews don't believe in god , not most but all of them !
So if god doesn't exists who who who gave you than stupid mind to say thinks against god !
here is only one God. Yet, many people worship different God. Some worship the Sun as their God. Others worship the Father, the Son, etc. There is also some people that worship Allah alone.
So, who is the true God according to Islam? What is His attributes? We know little about God. Yet, in the Quran, God explains His characteristics as follow:
who created you? a scientist ?
who created this planet ? a group of scientists ?
god doesn't exists ? really ? that try killing your self and face the power of god !
So most of Jews don't believe in god , not most but all of them !
So if god doesn't exists who who who gave you than stupid mind to say thinks against god !
here is only one God. Yet, many people worship different God. Some worship the Sun as their God. Others worship the Father, the Son, etc. There is also some people that worship Allah alone.
So, who is the true God according to Islam? What is His attributes? We know little about God. Yet, in the Quran, God explains His characteristics as follow:
"who created you?" We evolved like every other creature.
"who created this planet ?" How do you it's a "who" and not "a what"
"god doesn't exists ? really ? that try killing your self and face the power of god !" Words of a mad man, really.
"So if god doesn't exists who who who gave you than stupid mind to say thinks against god !" The human brain has evolved, and thus homo sapiens sapiens are able to think "about more" than other species. That's why we are the dominant species, actually.
"here is only one God. Yet, many people worship different God. Some worship the Sun as their God. Others worship the Father, the Son, etc. There is also some people that worship Allah alone." So the others are wrong and only your god is true? How selfish
"who created this planet ?" How do you it's a "who" and not "a what"
"god doesn't exists ? really ? that try killing your self and face the power of god !" Words of a mad man, really.
"So if god doesn't exists who who who gave you than stupid mind to say thinks against god !" The human brain has evolved, and thus homo sapiens sapiens are able to think "about more" than other species. That's why we are the dominant species, actually.
"here is only one God. Yet, many people worship different God. Some worship the Sun as their God. Others worship the Father, the Son, etc. There is also some people that worship Allah alone." So the others are wrong and only your god is true? How selfish
OK Ok go fuck your self , and i had a question are you an illuminatium member ?
maybe Jay-z pays you good!
maybe Jay-z pays you good!
If you keep up that attitude I will ban you, and believe you me, your god will not help you get unbanned.
ok ban me no problem i don't cAre...
BUT I JUST WANNA TELL YOU THAT ALLAH IS THE ONE AND ONLY
BUT I JUST WANNA TELL YOU THAT ALLAH IS THE ONE AND ONLY
Yet, I think I'm way cooler than Allah. And I like to draw Muhammed... Oh, too soon? Any ways, Allah will punish me if he wants to.
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Allah sucks and I piss on allah, tell your god to punish me for that. Im waitng...
Seriously, im waitng your "god" to do something with me...
Seriously, im waitng your "god" to do something with me...
haha you think he cares about baning him.Haha no one cares here about a fucking website.Belive me ;)
Thank you for your kind response. It's funny to see religious people that can't defend themselves. Just change the subject.
Mental!
I am an atheist and i hate everything that has something common with reliogion and god.
#74 said that religious people have a "goal" in life. Maybe he meant that their lifes have a special "meaning"? IDK. All i wan't to say is that you can be a good person without any religion, like helping other poor people etc. and also have some goals and point in life. Have you ever heard about philosophy?
In our modern world religion sometimes is misused. I mean we have a lot of wars because of it. In my ethics class we were learning some stuff about Al Qaida and bin Laden and i found a so called "codex"(or something like that) of Al Qaida. One rule say that every muslim HAS TO(!) kill a american. How ill is that?
#66 said stuff like:
Every thing has a creator, who is ours?
Every thing on earth has a purpose, what is ours?
Who the fuck cares? Just live your life and focus on something else. Leave those questions to the scientists. I know that some people want to know for what do they live, but religion is not a solution, spending time for praying and worshiping god. A
And btw, as i heard, in some islam countries they can kill you if you say something not so pleasant about Allah. How ill is that? killing people for some imaginary shit...
Everyone can has his point of view, so that's mine. If you want to believe in god and etc. - your welcome..
#74 said that religious people have a "goal" in life. Maybe he meant that their lifes have a special "meaning"? IDK. All i wan't to say is that you can be a good person without any religion, like helping other poor people etc. and also have some goals and point in life. Have you ever heard about philosophy?
In our modern world religion sometimes is misused. I mean we have a lot of wars because of it. In my ethics class we were learning some stuff about Al Qaida and bin Laden and i found a so called "codex"(or something like that) of Al Qaida. One rule say that every muslim HAS TO(!) kill a american. How ill is that?
#66 said stuff like:
Every thing has a creator, who is ours?
Every thing on earth has a purpose, what is ours?
Who the fuck cares? Just live your life and focus on something else. Leave those questions to the scientists. I know that some people want to know for what do they live, but religion is not a solution, spending time for praying and worshiping god. A
And btw, as i heard, in some islam countries they can kill you if you say something not so pleasant about Allah. How ill is that? killing people for some imaginary shit...
Everyone can has his point of view, so that's mine. If you want to believe in god and etc. - your welcome..
Everyone can has his point of view, so that's mine. If you want to believe in god and etc. - your welcome..
Apparently we can't have our point of view, as you're trying to argue against all. So scratch that sentence.
So you learn stuff of Islam by Al Qaida, 90% here saying that Osama and Al Qaida is fake. And you get information by US, the country who hates us most, but you're too lazy to grab a book and read about it?
And btw, as i heard, in some islam countries they can kill you if you say something not so pleasant about Allah.
Again, you hear a lot of things. But we believe in 1 God, so why would people say bad things about Him, hard enough to let us in peace?
#66 said stuff like:
Every thing has a creator, who is ours?
Every thing on earth has a purpose, what is ours?
Who the fuck cares?
You're not coming with evidence of any kind of evidence. In my blog I wrote, stop going "all terrorist against a religion" & stop being stubborng, you're being both.
Apparently we can't have our point of view, as you're trying to argue against all. So scratch that sentence.
So you learn stuff of Islam by Al Qaida, 90% here saying that Osama and Al Qaida is fake. And you get information by US, the country who hates us most, but you're too lazy to grab a book and read about it?
And btw, as i heard, in some islam countries they can kill you if you say something not so pleasant about Allah.
Again, you hear a lot of things. But we believe in 1 God, so why would people say bad things about Him, hard enough to let us in peace?
#66 said stuff like:
Every thing has a creator, who is ours?
Every thing on earth has a purpose, what is ours?
Who the fuck cares?
You're not coming with evidence of any kind of evidence. In my blog I wrote, stop going "all terrorist against a religion" & stop being stubborng, you're being both.
I ment a special meaning, but like I said to Nomad, you shouldn't look at Al Qaeda(which is 100 % American/Jewish) but look at the good things of religion, you don't have to look at fanatists who never even opened a Holy Book... In Holy Books there are only messages of peace, love and solidarity, but people tend to forget them and make self-made rules to manipulate others...
But Al Quaeda consists of radical muslims who are against the values of the Western-World.. Where did you get your facts from? Btw, I have no intention of flaming, and I truely respect all opinions of the people, as I'm a tolerable person with the understanding of other peoples believes.
Al Qaeda was given 6 billion dollars from the US from 89-92(not sure if the date is correct). Bin Laden was a CIA agent, he was the most wanted person on the FBI list and USA didn't find him ? Lol, and btw when the Pakistani caught him a time ago, they surrounded his house, they called the USA for the permission to catch him, USA told Bin Laden he was surrounded, they told him to get away, and so he did, in the house nobody was found, but they were 100% sure he was here, only explanation was that USA warned him. George Bush and Bin Laden (his father I think) have a company together...
Lets say your statements are facts.. How does that make Al Quaeda 100% American/Jewish? How are the Jews involved in this? You are simply way too biased.
These are facts about Al Qaeda, that America is Jewish I don't have immediate facts to tell you but you can conclude out of some things. USA is one of the few countries that supports Israel. The banks, economy is all controlled by the Jews. The Jews helps candidates who are in favor of them. Also USA accepted that Palestine becomes Israel, it accepts Zionism etc... One thing I have nothing against Jews, but I don't like Zionists...
One thing, has not much to do with this but, when you want to go in war, you have to ask the banks for financial support or other private investors but mainly banks, who holds the banks ? The Jews... WW II was planned by the Zionist, so after that they can create Israel.
One thing, has not much to do with this but, when you want to go in war, you have to ask the banks for financial support or other private investors but mainly banks, who holds the banks ? The Jews... WW II was planned by the Zionist, so after that they can create Israel.
Lol, are you serious? I cannot believe what you're actually saying, and that has NOTHING to do with your religious believes. WW2 was started by Germany, chiefly Adolf Hitler, with the quest of uniting Europe into ONE nation and exterminating handicapped people, homosexual, races not from the North/West part of Europe - I can't really recall the name of the race that Hitler wanted to keep, and also GET RID OF THE JEWS. America isn't Jewish either, the most common religion is Christianity.. And I must ask you a question - where do you get this from? Are you some sort of radical muslim interfered with delusional thoughts created by the hatred towards the Western World? And also, what have the Jews done to you, and particularly in the history of modern civilisation? They've been hunted throughout the history for their believes.. I sincerely pity them.
You are wrong man, Hitler realised in the end he was fucked by the Jews. I don't say Holocaust didn't exist, but the numbers are way too exagerated, 6 millions c'mon maybe 1-2 maximum. You say in their history they have been hunted, may I ask you why ? Because people know that Jews are fucked up nation, only thinks about money... What is Israel doing to the Palestinians ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogpfrJHkdo0
Check this out and maybe your vision will be changed... And no I have no hate to the Western World, but I do believe that the West is fucked up with all it's liberty...
Check this out and maybe your vision will be changed... And no I have no hate to the Western World, but I do believe that the West is fucked up with all it's liberty...
What are you trying to say with:
You say in their history they have been hunted, may I ask you why ? Because people know that Jews are fucked up nation, only thinks about money... What is Israel doing to the Palestinians ?
You say in their history they have been hunted, may I ask you why ? Because people know that Jews are fucked up nation, only thinks about money... What is Israel doing to the Palestinians ?
Also with Jews I don't mean religion, I mean the race of people...
Jew = Religion + Race of people
Jew = Religion + Race of people
Have I ever claimed something else?
You said: " America isn't Jewish either, the most common religion is Christianity.."
With what I said I meant that USA is controlled by the Jews, Sionists, Israel.
With what I said I meant that USA is controlled by the Jews, Sionists, Israel.
Then how can you claim that the Americans are Jewish? Most of them are descendants of European immigrants.. You should know the history. I have no longer a wish to discuss this subject with you. You are clearly a person with delusional problems.
Sionists are what ? They are from Europe omg... Ashkenaze ? never heard of that ?
I never said Americans are Jewish, Americans are not even a race, they're a mix of people, Indians are the true Americans... What I'm saying is that USA is controlled by Israel, try understanding what you read....
I never said Americans are Jewish, Americans are not even a race, they're a mix of people, Indians are the true Americans... What I'm saying is that USA is controlled by Israel, try understanding what you read....
You are really manipulating. Firstly, you are still avoiding my original point. Al Quaeda are NOT 100% American/Jewish..
First of all there are doubts that even Al Qaeda exists, alot of analysts say it's just pure fantasy. Al Qaeda wasn't Jihad or existed before the US made it exist for the bombing in the US Embassy of Nairobi, as a way to justify themselves. The so called headquarters in Tora-Bora were never found, it proves that it's just something made up by the US government, and Jews had alot to do with it :)
I don't know where your information comes from but I would say it completely ridiculous.
now days you have Wikipedia to use , in just 1 click you can get all the information you like.. then you can to judge and of course taking your favorite side fairly.
and BTW just for general knowledge..
Zionist is a person who supports the idea that the Jewish people should have their own country and this country should be in Zion (Biblical land of Israel).
so in a way if you recognize and support Israel as the Jewish state you are a Zionist or at least support the Zionist Idea.
your country support and recognizing this idea so as USA , RUSSIA , CHINA , GERMANY , UK , FRANCE and so as every other country in the G20.
so they all supporters and allies of the "Zionists State" (its not just the us)
now days you have Wikipedia to use , in just 1 click you can get all the information you like.. then you can to judge and of course taking your favorite side fairly.
and BTW just for general knowledge..
Zionist is a person who supports the idea that the Jewish people should have their own country and this country should be in Zion (Biblical land of Israel).
so in a way if you recognize and support Israel as the Jewish state you are a Zionist or at least support the Zionist Idea.
your country support and recognizing this idea so as USA , RUSSIA , CHINA , GERMANY , UK , FRANCE and so as every other country in the G20.
so they all supporters and allies of the "Zionists State" (its not just the us)
long live Israel!
Believers presenting the same debunked and nonsensical arguments as always. I don't really mind if you believe that stuff. But do not tell others stuff that there is no evidence for and reason for them to believe. Why would you believe something that there is no evidence for?
The Atheist Experience - check them out on youtube!
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The Atheist Experience - check them out on youtube!
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+1 Atheist Experience.
There's too much power related to the religions, so from my viewpoint, it would be naive of me to believe in any of them.
Till I was 17, I was a "full blood" atheist. I have though changed my view about certain things in the last year, and have come to the conclusion that there must be a higher "dimension" that have some kind of control of the universe, and/or controlled the creation of earth. If it's a he, she or nature itself, I find irrelevant. All I feel certain of is that it's not a muslim, buddhist nor a christian.
Till I was 17, I was a "full blood" atheist. I have though changed my view about certain things in the last year, and have come to the conclusion that there must be a higher "dimension" that have some kind of control of the universe, and/or controlled the creation of earth. If it's a he, she or nature itself, I find irrelevant. All I feel certain of is that it's not a muslim, buddhist nor a christian.
All I feel certain of is that it's not a muslim, buddhist nor a christian.
To be a Muslim today--or any day--is to live in accordance with the will and pleasure of Allah.
Meaning we pray to Him.
To be a Muslim today--or any day--is to live in accordance with the will and pleasure of Allah.
Meaning we pray to Him.
I don't want to turn this to a flame war but you are seriously getting annoying. Why the hell did you have to reply him and promote you religion???
He explained his view and understaing of life very intellectual way and you feed him with your allah bullshit. He made it clear didn't he ? ." All I feel certain of is that it's not a muslim, buddhist nor a christian. " So why bother ???
I have travelled the world that much that I can say that ( altough im an atheist ) I like buddhist people, they are so kind, polite and friendly, but honestly, I dislike muslims. They are so agressive and obtrusive, especially in Arabic countries.
He explained his view and understaing of life very intellectual way and you feed him with your allah bullshit. He made it clear didn't he ? ." All I feel certain of is that it's not a muslim, buddhist nor a christian. " So why bother ???
I have travelled the world that much that I can say that ( altough im an atheist ) I like buddhist people, they are so kind, polite and friendly, but honestly, I dislike muslims. They are so agressive and obtrusive, especially in Arabic countries.
What did I say? It's simuraly to christians & buddhist. If you are christian, you follow the teachings, same to buddhist. He's saying that "God isn't muslim, buddhist, or a buddhist". =/
And if you read in my blog:
Don't start any flaming toward another religion - meaning if your opinion is based on h8 toward anothers, keep it for yourself
You're the one with all disrespect, like or dislike. I'm not aggressive not obstrusive, when did it sound like I was? :/
And if you read in my blog:
Don't start any flaming toward another religion - meaning if your opinion is based on h8 toward anothers, keep it for yourself
You're the one with all disrespect, like or dislike. I'm not aggressive not obstrusive, when did it sound like I was? :/
You were obtrusive in post #152, because you just replied #136 without any arguments/questions/discussion. You just feed him some islam crap for no reason, even though he stated clearly that he dosen't believe that "the nature him/herself is not muslim, buddhist nor a christian.
exactly my words......
How's that relevant to my post?
That some are muslims or christians, we worship a God. In the last sentence you said I don't feel like God is muslim, christian, or buddhist, so I just wanted to reply that God cannot be none of them, 'cause He don't worship anyone. :P
Nitpicking in my opinion. You knew what I ment. ;)
It's just simples as this.
People will believe what they want to believe
Truth is subjective
People will believe what they want to believe
Truth is subjective
And why people try to racionalize religion??
Being religious it's no racional(if you know what I mean)
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Being religious it's no racional(if you know what I mean)
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Can you tell me how did the universe create if there is no God (as u say) ?
can you tell me, if there is a God, why he ins't a "Goddess"?
You see what I did there? :)
You see what I did there? :)
Can you tell me who created god then?
you love this kind of threads, don't you :)?
God was always there
You can't apply laws created by God on God himself. It's like saying what happens to a manga character can happen to the manga drawer.
Ok so let me get this right, everything needs a creator, therefore god must exist, but god does not need a creator?
Makes sense.
Makes sense.
lol you are putting on a quite the show here!! nice arguments throughout the thread... gj!
So making sense is what you laugh at here? Well, goes great with your delusions about god
argument? I'm sorry but where is the "argument"? or maybe are you just kissing his feets because he's the chef here?
Lol, because he is acting with sense.
first of all, chef = cook...
secondly, what the fuck would i gain by "kissing his feet"... seriously, how pathetic are you?
secondly, what the fuck would i gain by "kissing his feet"... seriously, how pathetic are you?
He is kinda true, Nomad doesn't show any arguments.
check his earlier posts..
Checked. Still don't see any arguments. Could you show me one or two?
hmm if you dont see anything then either you didnt see properly or you dont agree with him because you've been brainwashed... either way i dont care... i have gotten tired of this thread so gg..
I've been brainwashed? Does I said I don't agree with him? I just don't see any arguments and I asked you would you show me one or two? Isn't it clear? Are you brainless and you doesn't got it?
btw. Why you told to me 'gg'? If I'm not wrong, I don't played with/against you.
btw. Why you told to me 'gg'? If I'm not wrong, I don't played with/against you.
He has more arguments, being based on real statements and not in book that talk about some kind of magical power who can perform miracles.
just get out of here religious people hater, damn trash
So here we are, another one!
damn what an idiot, can't wait to see you rot in hell it will be fun :)
Hahahahahaha, is that allowed in your religion? Saying that? Don't think so. But you are forgiven son!
Evrei tuporiliy
That is actually a pretty interesting topic. Not the fact of creating a God, but something needing a moment of creation. I'm not necessarily talking about any creator at all, but mainly about the concept of time. I have thought about it quite a bit and it's very hard to get my head around the fact that there is no beginning or an end, and as far as I know there is no real explanation where the early matter came from that then came to be the universe we currently know.
I have listened to people talking about theories of an oscillating universe and all kinds of stuff, but nevertheless, it is a very hard concept to grasp that how did something come to be, it it then has no beginning.
Well, this didn't maybe belong in this thread but just pointed out an interesting topic.
I have listened to people talking about theories of an oscillating universe and all kinds of stuff, but nevertheless, it is a very hard concept to grasp that how did something come to be, it it then has no beginning.
Well, this didn't maybe belong in this thread but just pointed out an interesting topic.
Yup, and I actually think our inability to understand that there may have been a "time" when time did not exist, and that the universe seemingly has sprung up from nothing is what is making religion stick so hard..
interesting.. the big bang theory (which has been pretty much verified experimentally) only says at the time of the big bang, universe was filled with homogeneous high energy density.. this caused expansion and soon particles like quarks and their anti counterparts came into existence.. in collision between matter and anti-matter, due to some anomaly matter slightly prevailed .. thus matter came into being..
but how did that energy came into existence in the first place?? what was there before that?? these questions still remain unanswered..
but this doesnt mean we should just sit back and say "this is beyond my understanding.. some higher power must've done this".. after all, imo it is the curiosity of the man and not the god that has guided man in his quest for finding the truth..
i certainly dont believe in this higher power stuff.. but then again i have no proof about its inexistence and the religious ppl dont have any proof of its existence.. this debate is endless unless either side comes up with proof..
but how did that energy came into existence in the first place?? what was there before that?? these questions still remain unanswered..
but this doesnt mean we should just sit back and say "this is beyond my understanding.. some higher power must've done this".. after all, imo it is the curiosity of the man and not the god that has guided man in his quest for finding the truth..
i certainly dont believe in this higher power stuff.. but then again i have no proof about its inexistence and the religious ppl dont have any proof of its existence.. this debate is endless unless either side comes up with proof..
Yeah that was what I was supposed to say, that I knew that noone really knows how the things that then caused the bing bang came to be.
I agree as well that I don't believe in any higher power stuff because I always try to look for some basis for my beliefs, and eventhough I don't know how the universe came to be, I don't need some superhuman or supercosmological being to fill that hole, I just hope that one day we will be smart and wise enough as human kind to understand even better the universe that we live in.
Carl Sagan once said in his Cosmos tv-series that "The cosmos is also within us, we're made of star stuff, we are a way for the cosmos to know itself" (star stuff as in matter drifting from supernovas that then came to be Earth, and some of it became "life" as we call it). This I find a very interesting and a meaning for living which has a higher purpose. In a way it is believing in something larger than human life, it is just circulation of the universe that I believe in and some day also hope to better understand and even try to contribute in my own field.
I agree as well that I don't believe in any higher power stuff because I always try to look for some basis for my beliefs, and eventhough I don't know how the universe came to be, I don't need some superhuman or supercosmological being to fill that hole, I just hope that one day we will be smart and wise enough as human kind to understand even better the universe that we live in.
Carl Sagan once said in his Cosmos tv-series that "The cosmos is also within us, we're made of star stuff, we are a way for the cosmos to know itself" (star stuff as in matter drifting from supernovas that then came to be Earth, and some of it became "life" as we call it). This I find a very interesting and a meaning for living which has a higher purpose. In a way it is believing in something larger than human life, it is just circulation of the universe that I believe in and some day also hope to better understand and even try to contribute in my own field.
nice and super interesting quote.. as you said, hopefully someday we will be wise enough to know all this..
btw you work in this field or what?? growing up, i had alot of interest in astronomy and astrophysics... in fact, a friend of mine is an international astronomy olympiad gold medalist lol.. i regret never taking all this very seriously..
PS: can you tell me what tv series is that??
btw you work in this field or what?? growing up, i had alot of interest in astronomy and astrophysics... in fact, a friend of mine is an international astronomy olympiad gold medalist lol.. i regret never taking all this very seriously..
PS: can you tell me what tv series is that??
It's this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmos:_A_Personal_Voyage
I actually only heard about it myself in the beginning of this year from a friend of mine, and found much more purpose for life. I would just hope that they would show that series in school all over the world as it gives a lot of perspective in my opinion.
And no, I don't work in the field of astronomy. Just studying at the moment (just changed to concentrate on mathematics and computer science once I realised that business studies weren't interesting to me at all), but I just have a natural interest in astronomy for instance.
I probably won't become an astronomer (if I don't change my field of study again) but hopefully I'll arrive to do something that can contribute in some other manner
I actually only heard about it myself in the beginning of this year from a friend of mine, and found much more purpose for life. I would just hope that they would show that series in school all over the world as it gives a lot of perspective in my opinion.
And no, I don't work in the field of astronomy. Just studying at the moment (just changed to concentrate on mathematics and computer science once I realised that business studies weren't interesting to me at all), but I just have a natural interest in astronomy for instance.
I probably won't become an astronomer (if I don't change my field of study again) but hopefully I'll arrive to do something that can contribute in some other manner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3ZdqeW-CUA&feature=relmfu
This is a nice introduction to his thinking and what the series is (also included in the series)
This is a nice introduction to his thinking and what the series is (also included in the series)
religion is the best way to control weak minds.
i'm an atheist
i'm an atheist
Good to hear you make sense at least mate.
I would like to point islam belivers attention to post #120 and comment on it. Thank you
I don't like this thread, because everyone make different discussions, and not all believe in God.
For my self, I believe in All-llah, and I execute orders from him, with so love. I just love my religion, and I think my religion send me in the right guides.
Please who don't believe, in God, or in Islam (thread is related with this religion) do not post here, than those they care anything about this religion.
Regards, Luk!
For my self, I believe in All-llah, and I execute orders from him, with so love. I just love my religion, and I think my religion send me in the right guides.
Please who don't believe, in God, or in Islam (thread is related with this religion) do not post here, than those they care anything about this religion.
Regards, Luk!
I'm an atheist and post here just to annoy you
No, u'r wrong. You can't damage to me with this 'annoying'. I believe in God, and my faith in God is sure.
I feel sorry for you
Why? Why I believe on All-llah or what?
But what if he doesn't exist? What if there is no life after death? Then you've limited your life for no reasons. I am not going to follow some rules written in some old book. And yes there is definitely a chance I am wrong too, but if so, I am sure we will have one hell of a party down in hell, knowing we died doing what WE wanted, not what someone else wanted us to do.
I've thought these things for a long time, but again my faith is in All-llah, and nowhere else. I don't have the limited life, delight in all that I have, and stop the prohibited things, that I actually don't like, but are prohibited by religion too.
Look man I'm gonna make it simple for you, there are 4 situations that may occur.
1)You believe in God and he doesn't exist => whatever
2)You believe in God and he does exist => eternal life in paradise
3)You don't believe in God and he doesn't exist => whatever
4)You don't believe in God and he does exist => you have a problem.
By this I wanted to say you can only gain by believing in God. And those "limitations" you're talking about are basically general moral rules and principles which you usually follow without knowing it. And by the way there ain't gonna be parties in hell ;) cheers mate
1)You believe in God and he doesn't exist => whatever
2)You believe in God and he does exist => eternal life in paradise
3)You don't believe in God and he doesn't exist => whatever
4)You don't believe in God and he does exist => you have a problem.
By this I wanted to say you can only gain by believing in God. And those "limitations" you're talking about are basically general moral rules and principles which you usually follow without knowing it. And by the way there ain't gonna be parties in hell ;) cheers mate
if god doesn`t exist the person who believes in him doesn`t lose anything? But if god exists the person who doesn`t believe in him ...hmm u can imagine then what happens =)
he does, because he follows some rules for no reason and thus limiting his life
what do u mean with limiting life?
~drinking no alcohol , no drug abuse , and no sex abuse means limiting life? no mate I don`t think so
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~drinking no alcohol , no drug abuse , and no sex abuse means limiting life? no mate I don`t think so
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yeah because thats the only rules you have. - and yeah you sure miss out most of the fun!
how do u feel when u know somebody had sex with ur sister (let`s suppose u have one) ? First of all always try to think about things starting from u personal
I don't have a sister, but I don't think I would care too much if she had sex with her boyfriend? surry im not sure what ur point is. and dont get me wrong btw, I think its fine if you believe in something, and as I said if you are right, you will achieve what you want and I will go to hell, but thats what i chose. And yeah saying that alcohol, drugs and sex is funny is also just my opinion not claiming you have to share it.
but back to the previous message, I was just stating that its not like no alohol is the only rule you have to follow
but back to the previous message, I was just stating that its not like no alohol is the only rule you have to follow
and what if there is a eternal live?? than ?
Just curious.
So you are saying that you execute orders from allah. How do you exactly recieve these orders ? via e-mail ?
So you are saying that you execute orders from allah. How do you exactly recieve these orders ? via e-mail ?
No, from Prophets and Qur'an :).
No, from the dusty 600-year-old book I guess
Seems like it.
Altough for example in Old Testament there was said that the earth is 6500 years old. But we all know that science has proved otherwise and 6500 years is way way way off. And here I ask from the christian guys, how can the book, written by god, can be so wrong ?
Same goes for qoran. Believing in old book is just naive. Life as evolved and so have the understanding of life. And I have read some quotes from qoran that just seem so stupid. And as said before, I waiting for some islam guy to answer #120.
Altough for example in Old Testament there was said that the earth is 6500 years old. But we all know that science has proved otherwise and 6500 years is way way way off. And here I ask from the christian guys, how can the book, written by god, can be so wrong ?
Same goes for qoran. Believing in old book is just naive. Life as evolved and so have the understanding of life. And I have read some quotes from qoran that just seem so stupid. And as said before, I waiting for some islam guy to answer #120.
Another guy answered you check it out.
I'm a Christian, but I have no faith in God. I'm still a Christian because Norway has Christianity as the main religion. Once we're born, our parents can decide if we are to receive baptism and thus get into the religion. I still believe that there is more to life with some higher dimension than only getting born, live, reproduce and then die. You're way too aggressive for being an atheist. And for the record, you're kind of ignorant when it comes to Christianity at least. We don't live after the Old Testament, but the New Testament, which is written by the DISCIPLES, we simply couldn't care less about the Old Testament.. So you should get parts of your facts right. You should be referring to the Jews instead.
First, is that reply to me? 'cause I'm not an atheist and how can I be ignorant as we muslims believe Toraeh & Bible was once God's word, but has been edited throughout generations.
No, it was a reply to ygos.. I have no idea how I managed to misclick. I'm sorry.
damn what a religion hater
maybe victim of sexual harassment?
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maybe victim of sexual harassment?
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My opinion is that religion and god is a thing invented by humans. It was invented because people in the past didn't knew nothing and they searched for answers in a called "perfect and superior being" that invented everything. Furthermore, since this imaginary "god" promotes peace it brings people together all around the world and make some very devote humans act like saints. The idea of a superior being out there looking for us makes us feel that we aren't by ourselves in this universe (but we indeed are) Since the evolution of science, the percentage of atheists it's rising a lot beacause it woke up our rational part. If it wasn't the non believers, science, and all general standard ways of living would never evolved. in fact, if we never believed in god, we would be by now, way evolved.
well said mate..
people would think like you after your death about what we are believing now,that we had not knowledge.
"It was invented because people in the past didn't knew nothing."
Btw science is not telling us that god does not exist.
"It was invented because people in the past didn't knew nothing."
Btw science is not telling us that god does not exist.
when i say they didn't knew nothing, i'm talking about things about the universe and phenoms of life.
lol ?In the qu'ran, you can read : “And the heaven We created with might, and indeed We are (its) expander.” (Quran 51:47)
""(God) subjected the sun and the moon: each one runs its course to an appointed term."
And many others, muslims know the expansion of the universe 1400 years ago, how do they do ?
""(God) subjected the sun and the moon: each one runs its course to an appointed term."
And many others, muslims know the expansion of the universe 1400 years ago, how do they do ?
lol sure they do, you are so naive, believe in everything people tell you, that's why i wont discuss with any believer anymore, despite what i say and what you say, none of us will change his mind
Your opinion is equal to mine. Haha.
Okay honestly, I don't mind people believing in a religion, aslong as they don't bother me. Although lately a lot of muslims are starting to bother me, no offense, I have muslim friends, but looking at this thread is a mess.
Yes I am an atheist.
First of all I have never ever met a christian telling me that what I believe in is wrong, that I will die because of it, or trying to make me believe the same as he does.
Now lets just look at this thread. Let me quote this (#89): "please can you stop trolling against religion !
Man if you would be in the same country with me , I would be in Judge these day's for fucking killing you ! man stop fucking talking against god "
What the fuck seriously? Since when is killing right, and what happened to islam being the peaceful religion? Again I know the majority of muslims isn't like that, but its people like him making you look like fools and it looks like you don't give a fuck.
Oh and Heavon.. I like the topic, but stop telling people they're wrong if they don't believe in the same God as you. We get it, you believe you're right, but so do they, if you don't want a flamewar respect their opinion aight. I know this might seem like I hate muslims, but I don't, but from my personal experience, they are the only one yet to tell me I am wrong in my beliefs and that I will die for it.
Yes I am an atheist.
First of all I have never ever met a christian telling me that what I believe in is wrong, that I will die because of it, or trying to make me believe the same as he does.
Now lets just look at this thread. Let me quote this (#89): "please can you stop trolling against religion !
Man if you would be in the same country with me , I would be in Judge these day's for fucking killing you ! man stop fucking talking against god "
What the fuck seriously? Since when is killing right, and what happened to islam being the peaceful religion? Again I know the majority of muslims isn't like that, but its people like him making you look like fools and it looks like you don't give a fuck.
Oh and Heavon.. I like the topic, but stop telling people they're wrong if they don't believe in the same God as you. We get it, you believe you're right, but so do they, if you don't want a flamewar respect their opinion aight. I know this might seem like I hate muslims, but I don't, but from my personal experience, they are the only one yet to tell me I am wrong in my beliefs and that I will die for it.
Well, don't be surprised. I've received many threats for being an atheist and bashing religion. It's actually a lot of fun and just makes you hate religious people even more.
If 1 religion it's the "real one" then the others one are all fake? So why it's "your" religion the real one(appart from the fact that eventually your religion was thaugt to you by your fathers )?
Yea it must kinda suck to devote your life to some religion, only to die and realize it was the wrong one :-)
Right :), in the end people will believe what they want to believe.
Truth is subjective
Truth is subjective
(offtopic)you should implement the "last comment" feature in the blogs.why not making it to show the last 2 3 comments? In big threads like this with a lot of replys would help
The problem is that they never learn they were wrong if they die and it seems impossible to teach them when they live
Who gives a fuck?
haha yeah mathematically speaking some of you guys boasting that your religion is the right one is WRONG , but some day and that day may never come you will realize that is all BULLSHIT.
if we had no religion we would have world peace.
anyways go fuck yourself :D peace
if we had no religion we would have world peace.
anyways go fuck yourself :D peace
why the "go fuck yourself" part?
why all religious people in this thread are so aggressive? does it mean something?
you got it wrong, you can just look at the post before yours to realise it
How did he get it wrong? Just read the posts man
ok i'm sorry if my swearing is offensive , but when you religious guys make me a a fool for not believing in god/allah and all that is that not offensive ?
AND LOL, I just noticed :D
Heavon writes in his blog "- Think twice before flaming, swearing, getting all heated up; what makes you so much better than him/her/them? "
But Qoran says that men are superior and are allowed to beat their wife.
Isn't that ironical ? What a crap this qoran is
Heavon writes in his blog "- Think twice before flaming, swearing, getting all heated up; what makes you so much better than him/her/them? "
But Qoran says that men are superior and are allowed to beat their wife.
Isn't that ironical ? What a crap this qoran is
nevermind , I'll too because of making fun of it :o
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Wow both the religious people and the atheists on this thread seem arrogant and stupid (not all, just most). Seems like the fanatic losers with no education write here...
Dang I guess I just made myself a loser by writing here :/ fail
Dang I guess I just made myself a loser by writing here :/ fail
Religious people are just selfish and uneducated. It's so sad to see that there's billions of them in this day and age
EDIT: The problem is that people just believe. They don't follow the teachings, they don't find inner peace and love but judge other people, hate other people and miss the whole point of old religions.
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EDIT: The problem is that people just believe. They don't follow the teachings, they don't find inner peace and love but judge other people, hate other people and miss the whole point of old religions.
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hi unbelievers I just want to tell you that I believe in god/allah , so I don't give a fuck what you think , so please don't say anything against my religion , I am not saying anything about yours so I would be honored if you don't write about it ..
If you don't believe in god than you are gonna believe in science , that really sucks !
@to nomad :
1( Are you an atheist ?
2( God doesn't have a creator, it is shame to ask this question for god !
If you don't believe in god than you are gonna believe in science , that really sucks !
@to nomad :
1( Are you an atheist ?
2( God doesn't have a creator, it is shame to ask this question for god !
1) Yes, I do not believe in the toothfairy, Santa, pink unicorns nor gods. I guess you are an atheist too on most of those.
2) Oh why then I am most sorry, I thought that a divine being could handle a simple question by a small infidel like me, guess not, good thing he had his thugs ready to protect him, poor omnipotent guy.
And I will tell you again, keep your attitude in check if you wish to stay on this site.
2) Oh why then I am most sorry, I thought that a divine being could handle a simple question by a small infidel like me, guess not, good thing he had his thugs ready to protect him, poor omnipotent guy.
And I will tell you again, keep your attitude in check if you wish to stay on this site.
it's funny, you think you are way too smart to fall for the "believe in God" trap but in the end you just act like an ignorant.
Uh huh, well I fail to see how I am ignorant, but I am sure you'll use that as evidence against me.. Show me proof and I will "believe", till then I will not.
proof? you think that more than half the people in this world believe in God without proofs? I don't think you'll change your mind except maybe if God appears in front of you and tell you he exists. The way you think is kinda arrogant: I won't believe in God except if someone proves it and I am not willing to look for proofs myself, seriously? Do you really think God needs people to believe in him? You can make fun of him, laugh at religious people but you still are the only person concerned.
As for me I believe 100% in God. It's simple, for you people when we say God exists you laugh and when you tell us that this whole world exists by coincidence then we laugh too.
As for me I believe 100% in God. It's simple, for you people when we say God exists you laugh and when you tell us that this whole world exists by coincidence then we laugh too.
I don't want to speak for nomad, but I do believe half the people in this world believe in God without proofs!
proofs? ok *laugh*
why is he acting like a ignorant?
Hey, so you Question is who's the creater of God ?
EDIT : your*
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EDIT : your*
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only that you are an admin and you have the aces to ban me doesn't mean to me to do not show my opinion !
I told you to keep your attitude in check, e.g. calling people idiots and telling them to die, you are free to preach whatever delusion you like. :)
thank mr.owner
I loled, if you are so upset with others's opinions why are you reading this thread. Better yet, why are you posting on it?
Why can't I speak against your religion? If you believe in that shit you should be fine and happy with virgins waiting for you etc.
The difference between religion and science is that science is right.
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The difference between religion and science is that science is right.
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well said... put your last statement in bold..
and there is also another difference and that's that religion is right.
It's simple: many scientific ideas were taken from religions, to be precise from the muslim holy book Quran. If you read it ,which I doubt since you seem just like a guy whose only knowledge about religion is the name itself, you would know that many thing that were discovered just some centuries ago were already written in it for example the birth: it's all described in the Quran but the steps were just discovered recently.
And science is more wrong than right, that explains why the world is still underdevelopped after all this time, so if you are gonna say religions are wrong because of that then I am sorry I will be just laughing at your ignorance, you and many people here but then again I don't expect smart people to be in a gaming site.
It's simple: many scientific ideas were taken from religions, to be precise from the muslim holy book Quran. If you read it ,which I doubt since you seem just like a guy whose only knowledge about religion is the name itself, you would know that many thing that were discovered just some centuries ago were already written in it for example the birth: it's all described in the Quran but the steps were just discovered recently.
And science is more wrong than right, that explains why the world is still underdevelopped after all this time, so if you are gonna say religions are wrong because of that then I am sorry I will be just laughing at your ignorance, you and many people here but then again I don't expect smart people to be in a gaming site.
Give us examples we wanna know dude!!!!!
Hope you get gangrene. Then what will save you, god or Science?
Hope you get gangrene. Then what will save you, god or Science?
:D:D:D
EDIT: you are right by your stupid believe so why such hate and attack against me? :D We can start a private discussion about this, I know a lot about religions and science. Just PM me
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EDIT: you are right by your stupid believe so why such hate and attack against me? :D We can start a private discussion about this, I know a lot about religions and science. Just PM me
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Yes yes, the Quran is full of science, so this will be very easy:
Make a prediction on something based on something in the Quran, say, does the higgs boson exist? Or is that not in there? Does it not mention much about subatomic particles? Odd, seeing the creator wrote it and all.. Well doesn't matter, any prediction will do..
But you see, having science discover the true nature of something, and THEN going back and selectively reading your fancy book makes it very easy to think you are seeing stuff written there - so, make a prediction based on a verse in the Quran, please. We can then use science afterwards to test it, and humanity will be better off for it.. Surely it should be easy, seeing how the Quran is full of cool facts written by god himself.
Make a prediction on something based on something in the Quran, say, does the higgs boson exist? Or is that not in there? Does it not mention much about subatomic particles? Odd, seeing the creator wrote it and all.. Well doesn't matter, any prediction will do..
But you see, having science discover the true nature of something, and THEN going back and selectively reading your fancy book makes it very easy to think you are seeing stuff written there - so, make a prediction based on a verse in the Quran, please. We can then use science afterwards to test it, and humanity will be better off for it.. Surely it should be easy, seeing how the Quran is full of cool facts written by god himself.
Since you want prediction in the future:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q09xun6RI3k
You can scratch some of them from the list, as you're living today and see it for yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q09xun6RI3k
You can scratch some of them from the list, as you're living today and see it for yourself.
That video "it's the history of humanity".....
don't think it's a future thing...
don't think it's a future thing...
You know what history means? it something that has happened and has been remembered. This video is all about prediction of what will/has happen to the majority inshAllah (God willing), and sadly; you can see many of them are predicted right, also being from this centuary.
don't agree, humanity always had those kind of things/situations throughout history
I want to hear what kind of things mentioned in the video the humanity had throughout the generations.
homosexuality
I agree, but remember these are predictions from centuires as well. And homosexuality were far from normal that time. Plus, that's just 1 of the many other signs.
wrong, homosexuality(even in the nature) always existed. But in the "modern way" you don't get killed for liking men...
your video it's just metaforical, as almost everything about religious, you can adapt the "religious" fact to whatever you want because they don't say straightforward things like for example, the earth is NOT flat, the earth is NOT the center of the universe, etc
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your video it's just metaforical, as almost everything about religious, you can adapt the "religious" fact to whatever you want because they don't say straightforward things like for example, the earth is NOT flat, the earth is NOT the center of the universe, etc
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If you dont give a fuck what we think , why did you wrote this comment?
@OnTopic
I celebrate all Orthodox holidays , but im not a complete believer. I guess all of us will se is there a God when we die.
@OnTopic
I celebrate all Orthodox holidays , but im not a complete believer. I guess all of us will se is there a God when we die.
you will see more when your body dies, like for exemple hell you'll also be able to enjoy it more than you want to
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Why should i go to hell?
We all should go to hell, if I had to choose I would choose hell.
Between heaven and hell, hell is what better looks like the earth life :)
Between heaven and hell, hell is what better looks like the earth life :)
Believe me , by "rules" of Christianity and Islam , probablty 99% of people should go to hell ( if he exist in Islam ) :D
Yep, so true, but if you go to church and pray then you are forgiven!!!!!!!!!!! REMEMBER NO MATTER WHAT YOU DID, YOU CAN KILL SOMEBODY, RAPE A LITTLE GIRL, BUT IF YOU BELIEVE IN GOD, THEN YOU ARE FORGIVEN, SO IMMORAL. AND BY THE OTHER HAND, IF YOU AREN'T A BELIEVER, AND LIVED A REGULAR LIFE, THEN YOU SHOULD BE IN HELL BEING WHIPED IN THE ASS BY A BUNCH OF DEMONS.
I did not write this thread sir !
I believe in god !
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I believe in god !
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Atheism is not a religion.
no war or dictator has killed as much mans as Religion did over the years.. its all a bunch of BULL****! in the age of darkness, the christian church, and the pope himself, SOLD tickets to heaven! only blind persons living in the age of the rock, can actually believe that there is a god! theres no jesus christ, there's no alla or whatever his/its name is.. judgement day? WTF does that mean man cmon, how naive are u? this is the 21st century, in the end of ur life, ur just another body below the ground, nothing else.. and how can any1 talk about the after-life? as any1 really been there? i believe in physics, the way they explain the universe and the way we(human kind) were created, not that creational non-sense.. in the day christian church, based in the city of vatican, start selling their things and using the money to erase poberty and hunger the face of the earth, will be day that im gonna have a little bit of sympathy for them, until that, they are all a bunch of capitalist pigs. but im not very hopefull, that one day, they will do that..
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i believe in aliens , for i have seem them in my dmt state of mind.
search google under "dmt" if u guys wanna open up your third eye, and see in the forth dimension. im very serious -_-
search google under "dmt" if u guys wanna open up your third eye, and see in the forth dimension. im very serious -_-
DMT or a heavy dose of mushrooms, I've seen it too and it's wonderful, strange, scary and weird.
:D
there is no GOD, all a myth introduced by some idiotic bunch of nerds who can't even take responsibility of their own actions...hence they hand it over to god, the good that happens to them and the bad too...
no one knows what will happen after this life, so live it enjoying every moment, be responsible for your own actions, believe in Choices rather than Chances...
that's what i think about all this religious shit...
and yes, i am from India, a land of uncountable religions...even then i think its all a crap and time waste...
no one knows what will happen after this life, so live it enjoying every moment, be responsible for your own actions, believe in Choices rather than Chances...
that's what i think about all this religious shit...
and yes, i am from India, a land of uncountable religions...even then i think its all a crap and time waste...
rofl what you are saying there is a myth, there is a God that's why you exist that's how simple it is right? except if you think this is all a coincidence then you are more lost than I thought but then again this is a gamer website I don't expect to find believers here
Hahahahahahhahaha come on, every post I read coming from you is so funny, you make me laugh so hard dude. Now you tell us you can't find believers here because is a gamer website.
+1 hes running out of explanations...but m amazed that he lasted this long..lol
dont make me laugh boi...i simply don't believe in god and do read what i wrote...be responsible for your actions and u'll find yourself in a better world than the one you are currently living...
lol...i pity on you bro...
lol...i pity on you bro...
You need to actually know what your religion is all about before calling it "Crap".
Read vedas and then you will know which is the greatest religion in the world.
Read vedas and then you will know which is the greatest religion in the world.
here you are mistaken brother...Vedas are the source of shear knowledge which ancient Indians have collected over the ages...they have nothing to do with any religion...
lol@ you...
i give equal respect to all the religious writings, kuran, Gita, ramayana, mahabharata, bible, guru granth sahib etc. They all teach one thing,"be yourself, be human and cherish and flourish humanity". Correct me if i am mistaken....
lol@ you...
i give equal respect to all the religious writings, kuran, Gita, ramayana, mahabharata, bible, guru granth sahib etc. They all teach one thing,"be yourself, be human and cherish and flourish humanity". Correct me if i am mistaken....
+ 1 well said.. it is your actions that make you the man you are, not whether you have faith or not, not whether you have been praying or not..
Are you trying to tell us that your lovely and great allah gonna kill us? I don't like this guy , really!
i wonder what kind of bs has been stacked through your mouth(or we its said).. i think not even half of my generation in my country believes in god..
well you people are mostly immature nerds and are not equipped enough to have a civilized discussion on a scientifically unproven topic...
you cannot say someone is wrong here... cuz you have to proof one way or the other... just speculation... so let the people who believe in God believe what they want... no one can prove anyone wrong here so what is the point of negating each others argument like you know better?? it is just silly and immature... believe or disbelief doesn't matter as long as you treat each other well...
i am not an atheist and never will but i understand their point of view and cannot prove to them anything... so unless i am capable i refrain from such talk...
you cannot say someone is wrong here... cuz you have to proof one way or the other... just speculation... so let the people who believe in God believe what they want... no one can prove anyone wrong here so what is the point of negating each others argument like you know better?? it is just silly and immature... believe or disbelief doesn't matter as long as you treat each other well...
i am not an atheist and never will but i understand their point of view and cannot prove to them anything... so unless i am capable i refrain from such talk...
Religion is personal choose! I really don't know why are you making threads like this, if you want to belive in God, then believe. Personally, I'm Catolic and I'm proud of that, I believe in God, that's my personal option, you can agree with or not, ur problem.
IFa God exist, he is a SADIST
Having the power to end "all the bad things" and not doing it to test if people blindly believe in him....
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Having the power to end "all the bad things" and not doing it to test if people blindly believe in him....
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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then He is not omnipotent. Is He able, but not willing? Then He is malevolent. Is He both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is He neither able nor willing? Then why call Him God?" - Epicurus
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I <3 you, you are my God
Nice. I had never read it.
God is dead. jajajajajajajajajajajajajjajajaj
That's what Nietzsche was trying to tell
That's because he was not an atheist. :(
heh you have no idea what you're talking about
and now he's burning in hell, how tragic :'(
There's no hell so theres no tragedy
please be sure to remember that line, I want you to say it again in the after life
:D yeah dude
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You gonna end like all of us. Buried, and with a bunch of worms all over your body.
for me religion is just an cheap and early theory men found to explain their existence in a time that scientific knowledge could´t explain it. As the scientific knowledge is developing, more and more people are understanding that religion is so poorly substantiated that are becoming atheists, just take a look at charles darwin, he was a priest and decided to go against his religion, and his research was covered for many years. Though I do still believe that there is something maybe an entity responsible for our existance I just hate to call it god.
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There is only one single beingness of the universe. And that you are IT. You are me, every animal is me, then all this is just out-picturing of my mind. And that's the real God you are looking for. God is your beingness and it is unlimited.
"Does your religious books state of what to do to help them, or are you just trying to be nice? Is it a test of the richer?"
I think that humans give too much prominence to their life and all this is just a joke.
"Does your religious books state of what to do to help them, or are you just trying to be nice? Is it a test of the richer?"
I think that humans give too much prominence to their life and all this is just a joke.
its all about faith. religion created by people.
yes, faith is one thing, religion is another
I don’t believe in a god or Allah, I believe in a war
That’s going on inside these streets I’m on
Where in order to survive I am deceitful and wrong
Being peaceful is non-existent, evil is strong
That’s going on inside these streets I’m on
Where in order to survive I am deceitful and wrong
Being peaceful is non-existent, evil is strong
I am an atheist.
I think that religion is just a way for some people to rationalize their life and their decisions, and I can understand that some need it.
But in time (say a 100 or 200 years) humans will evolve enough that most wont need religion in their lives, cause most of the unexplained things they apply it to today will be explained by then.
Just like thousands of years ago people saw godlike meanings in stars and the weather, which we now know was quite silly, I think the future humans will see current religions as just as silly.
I think that religion is just a way for some people to rationalize their life and their decisions, and I can understand that some need it.
But in time (say a 100 or 200 years) humans will evolve enough that most wont need religion in their lives, cause most of the unexplained things they apply it to today will be explained by then.
Just like thousands of years ago people saw godlike meanings in stars and the weather, which we now know was quite silly, I think the future humans will see current religions as just as silly.
"cause most of the unexplained things they apply it to today will be explained"
It has already been done, didn't help as you can see
It has already been done, didn't help as you can see
That is also known as scientific optimism in sociology, but I have to disappoint you. Even when science improves so much so it can give answer to every possible question, even then many people will have the need to believe in some sort of God, because while science gives answers to rational things that exist, religion gives answers to irrational cognition of conscience
I'm a Christian and I believe that it doesn't make any difference if you believe or don't believe in God. I'm agnostic, I'm not sure what to believe in everything the bible states, because some things in Christianity seem shaky to me. But other things make sense to me.
You cannot prove God does not exist.
-Big bang theory, why is it called a theory? Because there is no actual evidence. EVEN if it occured, who's to say GOD DID NOT CREATE THE BIG BANG?
-Evolution, It can be argued that God was designing the earth and humans so they would develop to their best and perfect special way.
You cannot prove God does not exist, and also you can't prove God exists.
So all your arguing has 0 meaning or relevance to anything because religion can be argued from a billion aspects.
All I advise everybody to do is to just take what religion brings, HUMANITY. Doing good in the world, following the example of Jesus.
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You cannot prove God does not exist.
-Big bang theory, why is it called a theory? Because there is no actual evidence. EVEN if it occured, who's to say GOD DID NOT CREATE THE BIG BANG?
-Evolution, It can be argued that God was designing the earth and humans so they would develop to their best and perfect special way.
You cannot prove God does not exist, and also you can't prove God exists.
So all your arguing has 0 meaning or relevance to anything because religion can be argued from a billion aspects.
All I advise everybody to do is to just take what religion brings, HUMANITY. Doing good in the world, following the example of Jesus.
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"I'm a Christian and I believe that it doesn't make any difference if you believe or don't believe in God"
So why are you a Christian again :)?
So why are you a Christian again :)?
you get your religion from your parents, you get christened in a church, but that doesn't stop you in not believing.
im a christian, well my passport says so.. but i don't believe in god.
got it?
im a christian, well my passport says so.. but i don't believe in god.
got it?
your passport says your christian? LOL
My question is more like, if you are a christian, you supposedly believe in a god...Doesn't make any sense, from aa believer point of view saying that " it doesn't make any difference if you believe or don't believe in God"
For you it matters, you get my point?
For you it matters, you get my point?
You don't get a religion from your parents, I'm sorry to tell you you are not a christian if you are an agnostic!
when i was 2yo my parents took me to the church and christened me. so i'm a christian, not? now i don't believe in god and think religion is bullshit. but i'm still a christian right?
btw, i don't fucking care, christian or not, i don't give a shit, because i don't believe in god. However, if i want to, i have full rights to call my self a christian.
btw, i don't fucking care, christian or not, i don't give a shit, because i don't believe in god. However, if i want to, i have full rights to call my self a christian.
On the matter of the bible... In my opinion it's pure fiction, common sense tells me this. (although i wasn't there so who am i to judge?)
But, the thing about the stories in the bible, they always have a deeper meaning, telling people to be good for eachother, don't steal, don't do bad things in general, forgive, ...
Like you're stating, it really doesn't make a difference if you believe in god, you kinda choose wether or not you believe that Jezus was the son of god. If you say that this is all untrue, that doesn't mean the bible is all bullshit.
On a sidenote: i'm pro evolution
But, the thing about the stories in the bible, they always have a deeper meaning, telling people to be good for eachother, don't steal, don't do bad things in general, forgive, ...
Like you're stating, it really doesn't make a difference if you believe in god, you kinda choose wether or not you believe that Jezus was the son of god. If you say that this is all untrue, that doesn't mean the bible is all bullshit.
On a sidenote: i'm pro evolution
stupid man who dont believe
LOL it's not us, the non believers that have to prove that god (ye, no capital letter) exists. It's you believers that have to prove that he exists, uh ohhh.
Science > religion.
Darwin > religion.
Science > religion.
Darwin > religion.
I beleive in science and i put it above all
For me theres no god at all!
PS.:Jonathan please lock this thread.
It will go nowhere x( but ppl fighting over thier religions bla bla bla blaSDWdwwdfdwf;e
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if you don't want it, don't enter after all this isn't your personal website
that's how simple it is, even simpletons know this
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that's how simple it is, even simpletons know this
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Tell me why do the believers have to prove that God exists...?
You have the choice, nobody's making you believe that God exists, like on the other hand some athiests feel they need to break down religion and show everyone how incredibly clever and superior they are, yet they haven't broke it down and nor they ever will.
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You have the choice, nobody's making you believe that God exists, like on the other hand some athiests feel they need to break down religion and show everyone how incredibly clever and superior they are, yet they haven't broke it down and nor they ever will.
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God exists just because people believe it
damn these people are funny, they really think that there is no God in this world how retarded can you be? after all these years of evolution look like human's intellect didn't change much, well whatever you people are going to hell anyway so enjoy your fleeting life.
I am a fan of Michael Jackson, he might be in heaven so when you go there, can you ask him to give you an autograph for me?
I will be in Hell City at Manson Street. House number: 666.
So ok, shall I send you my email by pm? Thanks friend, keep praying.
I will be in Hell City at Manson Street. House number: 666.
So ok, shall I send you my email by pm? Thanks friend, keep praying.
LOLLED :D
nice argument :)
We better believe in god or we are going to hell!!
We better believe in god or we are going to hell!!
What does the quran say about extraterrestrial life? Just curoious.
I´m not a believer but from a objective view i must say islam is the biggest crap story ever sold. Can´t believe because of a "prophet" who was born 1500 years ago millions of people are praying few hours every day.
Islam - your whole religion is based on that a Muhammad - "prophet - who was in contact with god" wrote down the whole religion. In contact? How? Did they use a phone? Just kidding :p
Can you please explain me why is it that the self-claimed prophets nowadays or religious leaders or whatever can´t be contact in god NOW?
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I´m not a believer but from a objective view i must say islam is the biggest crap story ever sold. Can´t believe because of a "prophet" who was born 1500 years ago millions of people are praying few hours every day.
Islam - your whole religion is based on that a Muhammad - "prophet - who was in contact with god" wrote down the whole religion. In contact? How? Did they use a phone? Just kidding :p
Can you please explain me why is it that the self-claimed prophets nowadays or religious leaders or whatever can´t be contact in god NOW?
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Can you please explain me why is it that the self-claimed prophets nowadays or religious leaders or whatever can´t be contact in god NOW?
'cause it's saying Muhammad was the last messenger of Allah. Turned out to be true, no?
'cause it's saying Muhammad was the last messenger of Allah. Turned out to be true, no?
Saying? Who said that, the allah? Or perhaps muhammad himself?
You're asking me why none of the religious leader can't contact God, and I'm assuming you mean directly talk to God, like the prophets(pbuh) did. So, Muhammad was the last messenger, so maybe that's the answer to your question :P?
They claim they did, but they didn´t.
kk. I end it there, since you know all ;)
Answer to my question: Who said that muhammad was the last messenger? Logically thinking since he was the only one "who was contact in god" it must have been himself? Your answer is in #442.
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Allah who else? And this is from an islamlic perspective, as you started it.
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And how did he say it? Through muhammad ;) Makes perfect sense, doesn´t it?
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Through Quran.
And who wrote the damn religion on paper? Muhammad. My guess is if middle-east wouldn´t have oil the situation would be worse than in Africa. If you catch my drift.
Noone could've written that and knowing all the stories of the prophets and all the scintific proofs that scientists recently have discovered is true.
So Quran was brought down to prophet Muhammed by Angel Gabriel, that God has written. (Islamic perspective)
So Quran was brought down to prophet Muhammed by Angel Gabriel, that God has written. (Islamic perspective)
I would really LOVE to see that action in live. Out of nowhere, there is a book on the table. Woah! MAGIC! But people were living before 1500 years ago. Can you tell me why didn´t god be contact before that? Why that year? Why muhammad? Why!?
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You're asking so many question, but in same time showing disrespect, so I guess I'm not gonna answer you anymore, as it's going nowhere.
But I'll answer that question:
Muslims believe that Toraeh & Bible was the word of God as well, but it has been edited generations after generations, and even the scholars admit it. All the prophets was in contact with God, but Muhammad(PBUH) was chosen to be the last messenger.
But I'll answer that question:
Muslims believe that Toraeh & Bible was the word of God as well, but it has been edited generations after generations, and even the scholars admit it. All the prophets was in contact with God, but Muhammad(PBUH) was chosen to be the last messenger.
You´re not going to answer to my question because deep down in your head you have some questions yourself. Your brainwashed and that´s it.
I have a question for you: Why is it that all the suicide-bombers are muslims?
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I have a question for you: Why is it that all the suicide-bombers are muslims?
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I just answered your last question. Stop being like that, please?
One last question. The quran who was " brought by an angel, oh he even had a name? cool." Was it made out of wood? The angel made it himself in earth? Or they have wood in the god´s world too?
God has angels working for Him, yes. I don't know about hereafter what God has created or not. But I don't see a reason why Allah wouldn't make the book from wood?
Do an experiment for yourself. Move out of Albania, don´t ever contact your family or any muslims and go live in Sweden for example for 10 years and then ask yourself, do i really believe in allah? It´s the influence of society that makes you so brainwashed.
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So funny, hahah. 'cause I've been living in Norway, over 11 years. Hahaha.
Irony. I bet you have been contact with your family and the muslim stuff - average 15 minutes every day.
So let me get it straight. You are believeing of a man, who lived 1500 years ago, probably had an IQ of 7, who claimed he was in contact with god? You should just think out of the box for a second and think, does it even make sense? Don´t get me wrong, it´s not your fault. Your ancestors were just stupid as hell.
Lol, if you don't think Quran is the word of God, then you must think that Muhammad (Pbuh) was super-intellegent for predicting all these scientifics proofs, all the histories of the prohpets.
No, what i think is that there was no "contact in god" thing and a guy named muhammad wrote it down, got very wealthy and lived a good life afterwards. That´s what i think.
okay.. lets say muhammad was a very intelegent man who wrote Quran. He still can not be perfect, so in Quran, where he explains EVERYTHING about life, there should be something to be proven wrong by scientists, but, there is still not one single thing proven wrong about Quran. What would you say about this???
Explains everything about life?
Paste me those intelligent lines please. Few of them. About "explains everything about life"
A really good question is why there was no muhammad or god before 1500 years? Why muhammad? Why that year? People were living before muhammad, it´s not like he was the first homo sapiens :p Oo, that´s right, he was the "chosen" one, right?
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Paste me those intelligent lines please. Few of them. About "explains everything about life"
A really good question is why there was no muhammad or god before 1500 years? Why muhammad? Why that year? People were living before muhammad, it´s not like he was the first homo sapiens :p Oo, that´s right, he was the "chosen" one, right?
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Mohammed was illiterate he couldn`t have written it , and what`s more Qoran contains many miracles and scientific proofs which no human being knew (another proof that Allah gave Quran to Mohammed through Gabriel)
Oh really? What kind of miracles and scientific proof? Care to elaborate?
I mentioned it some times ago
The word SEA is mentioned 32 times in Quran while the word GROUND (earth) is mentioned 13 times
SEA + GROUND = 32 + 13 = 45
SEA 32/45 * 100% = 71.11111111% (the percentage of watter in earth)
GROUND 13/45 * 100% = 28. 88888889%
SEA + GROUND = 100%
These are the percentages of watter and ground in earth which have been recently discovered by scientiests but were in Quran 1400 years ago
The word SEA is mentioned 32 times in Quran while the word GROUND (earth) is mentioned 13 times
SEA + GROUND = 32 + 13 = 45
SEA 32/45 * 100% = 71.11111111% (the percentage of watter in earth)
GROUND 13/45 * 100% = 28. 88888889%
SEA + GROUND = 100%
These are the percentages of watter and ground in earth which have been recently discovered by scientiests but were in Quran 1400 years ago
haha, should have guessed you would have come up with something like this. We even have a bible version of this - http://carm.org/scientific-accuracies-in-the-bible.
This is not a scientific proof you provided me. It´s just random coincidence. Why even count words lol? If it said 1400 years ago that Sea is 71% of the earth - that would be a scientific proof.
This is not a scientific proof you provided me. It´s just random coincidence. Why even count words lol? If it said 1400 years ago that Sea is 71% of the earth - that would be a scientific proof.
my point is Quran is not only a religious book is something much more complicated and it`s not coicidence
~the word DAY is mentioned 365 times
~the word MONTH is mentioned 12 times
~the word MEN is mentioned 24
~the word WOMEN is also mentioned 24 which means they`re equal
and many many other words but not gonna write them down b/c anyway u`r going to have a stupid excuse about these calling them just "coincidences"
~regarding your webpage it`s not found
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~good night i`m gonna watch real kicking getafe`s ass :p
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~the word DAY is mentioned 365 times
~the word MONTH is mentioned 12 times
~the word MEN is mentioned 24
~the word WOMEN is also mentioned 24 which means they`re equal
and many many other words but not gonna write them down b/c anyway u`r going to have a stupid excuse about these calling them just "coincidences"
~regarding your webpage it`s not found
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The requested page could not be found
~good night i`m gonna watch real kicking getafe`s ass :p
Post edited 2011-05-10 21:56:00
Oh well might as well use pastebin, cos i couldn´t open the link myself too.
http://pastebin.com/6d9cjtKD
http://pastebin.com/6d9cjtKD
Those four aren't really miracles because people since ancient times knew that tropical year lasts 365 days and most comonly calendars had 12 months. Men mentioned 24 times and women mentioned 24 times isnt miracle because anyone could write men 2 times and women 2 times and say its hidden riddle that men and women are equal. However, I find that discovery about sea and earth surface rather interesting, but also it could be coincidence.
" 'We' even had a bible version of this". Are you Christian?
I was baptized when i was a young boy. But no, i don´t believe in god. I´m atheist.
Haha, I noticed that you said: 'I don't believe in God.'
You didn't say:'I don't believe there is a God'
=D
You didn't say:'I don't believe there is a God'
=D
qoran said
which was written by muhammad
There is no logic in that whatsoever. I could aswell claim that i was in contact in god and nations all over the world should give me $1 trillion. And just say: oh well, god said i´m the only one who should get it and oh i will be the last one who will ever be contact. Now would it work in real world? No. But it did work 1500 years ago, because people were so fucking stupid and uneducated. And this is the only reason why it worked then. And no, i´m not blaming them, it´s just the way we evolated.
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Ehh it is kinda stupid conversation. One side telling that GOD exist, the second one that GOD doesn't exist. The truth is that none of you has proofs. And we will never know who is right... but if GOD really exist, then we will!
well i think it makes more sense to not believe in something that has no proof, that to believe in something and thinking that is exists when i doesn't have proof.
Yea you think that, the other ones think otherwise.
So you are saying that the other ones that think different of that idea, created something in what to believe? For no reason? WOW, how rational to believe that.
Maybe rational, but I'm not wrong, they still believing.
Of course they believe, if I had created god, I would believe.
NWO INCOMMING, RUN!
i believe such type of topics should not b posted here.
coz there r so many dumbasses and morons who literally don't have any kind of respct.
coz there r so many dumbasses and morons who literally don't have any kind of respct.
You ever seen debates between atheists and christians? Like the atheists experience, or the RRS (Rational Response Squad). What I can see there is that the atheist guys allways win.
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our SCIENCE can reveal it." - Albert Einstein
This kind of threads are dangerous, and I have a really hard time not posting something condoscending towards religious people, but I have respect for people believing in something, as well as a lot of sympathy for them. I feel sorry for them, wishing they would realize they have most likely wasted their life with worshipping a "being" instead of actually living.
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+1000
I want to give u example.
Someone becomes christian, helps ppl, do good, enjoys life, becomes happy.
From your point of view, being an atheist shouldnt matter to think that 'it's a waste of time' as the a man becomes a better person...
not to mention there is no 100 % pure scientific proof for neither... which I love actually because to believe in sth that doesnt exist is like believing a stranger wich positevely surprise you in the end. that how most big firendships are build... that what I observed at least...
anyway you may think I say BS and wrong but thanks for the respect for ppl that believe !
Someone becomes christian, helps ppl, do good, enjoys life, becomes happy.
From your point of view, being an atheist shouldnt matter to think that 'it's a waste of time' as the a man becomes a better person...
not to mention there is no 100 % pure scientific proof for neither... which I love actually because to believe in sth that doesnt exist is like believing a stranger wich positevely surprise you in the end. that how most big firendships are build... that what I observed at least...
anyway you may think I say BS and wrong but thanks for the respect for ppl that believe !
I'm not going to say it's BS cause it's not. Sure, religion could make someone a better person, but many people (I have a whole family of examples nextdoor) can actually become quite fanatic and try to persuade non-believers into being believers, if you don't convert to their religion you will
#1 burn in hell
#2 you will suffer on doomsday
#3 other very bad, horrible things will happen to you.
Religion breeds violence and hate. I am a true believer in human beings instead of beings and religion. If there was no religion, the world would be a much more pleasant place to live.
Also, the bible and other "good books" suggest you shall not live, you should please God. You will do everything to his bidding and you will not do anything bad. The big books suggest a lot of things you shouldn't do. They don't give many examples of what you should do.
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#1 burn in hell
#2 you will suffer on doomsday
#3 other very bad, horrible things will happen to you.
Religion breeds violence and hate. I am a true believer in human beings instead of beings and religion. If there was no religion, the world would be a much more pleasant place to live.
Also, the bible and other "good books" suggest you shall not live, you should please God. You will do everything to his bidding and you will not do anything bad. The big books suggest a lot of things you shouldn't do. They don't give many examples of what you should do.
Post edited 2011-05-10 19:53:47
thanks for replying. I respect your point of view.
And it's a 'larger discussion' as this is an CS forum it's gonna be hard to talk it over :-)
Also I think you are not exactly correct on saying that bible suggest that you should please god and most important that it doesn't give you examples of that you should do.
The problem is with translations and how old orthdox ppl (our parents, granparents) translate the bible and scare ppl with what you mention:
#1 burn in hell
#2 you will suffer on doomsday
#3 other very bad, horrible things will happen to you.
It's like the catholic chearch closes the gates to god becuase the way they preach the bible. And of course catholic church for young ppl is just scary... that's the main point I think..
And it's a 'larger discussion' as this is an CS forum it's gonna be hard to talk it over :-)
Also I think you are not exactly correct on saying that bible suggest that you should please god and most important that it doesn't give you examples of that you should do.
The problem is with translations and how old orthdox ppl (our parents, granparents) translate the bible and scare ppl with what you mention:
#1 burn in hell
#2 you will suffer on doomsday
#3 other very bad, horrible things will happen to you.
It's like the catholic chearch closes the gates to god becuase the way they preach the bible. And of course catholic church for young ppl is just scary... that's the main point I think..
You're absolutely correct. But also, if you read the bible yourself you would see that is it extremely restricting, sure the older generations have spooked us but at the same time, these books are all about how you read them, how you interpret these texts and how you choose to live by them, if you do.
it's because it was translated in medieval times when there was restrictions...
I recommand to try the living word translation where it's much more clear about basically everything old and new testament...
the regular english translations with thou and such strange old english grammar constructions was mostly ununderstandable for me...
other that that you are right that there is always mutliple ways to translate texts, of course, but I tried the bible spoken in our language ane I was shocked by how clear and easy and open-minding it is in most part...
...and it wasnt some hari-krishna translation or religious 'sect'
here is the link btw. (I just googled it):
http://www.newlivingtranslation.com/
I recommand to try the living word translation where it's much more clear about basically everything old and new testament...
the regular english translations with thou and such strange old english grammar constructions was mostly ununderstandable for me...
other that that you are right that there is always mutliple ways to translate texts, of course, but I tried the bible spoken in our language ane I was shocked by how clear and easy and open-minding it is in most part...
...and it wasnt some hari-krishna translation or religious 'sect'
here is the link btw. (I just googled it):
http://www.newlivingtranslation.com/
Oh and I found sth interesting. Regarding restrictions - Is it wrong to be rich ?
<a href="http://media.calvaryftl.org/player/?fn=C3604">http://media.calvaryftl.org/player/?fn=C3604</a>
Check it out please and let me know what you thinks, the taling starts after first 20 mins of the movie.
You will be surprised by the ending conclusions.
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<a href="http://media.calvaryftl.org/player/?fn=C3604">http://media.calvaryftl.org/player/?fn=C3604</a>
Check it out please and let me know what you thinks, the taling starts after first 20 mins of the movie.
You will be surprised by the ending conclusions.
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Sorry man but I just couldn't stand any more.. Didn't really watch enough to have an opinion and that kind of people only pisses me off, sorry mate. Can't watch it.
again frustration of young minds... tooo much fb and videogames no real patience :-) i watched zeitgeist even though it pissed me off..
Frustration of young minds? My mind has been polluted enough by christian fanatics. I was even in a church choir when I was young. I grew up in a deeply religious family but I've broken loose.
I've watched Zeitgeist too. I just cannot stand extreme believers any more, I've had enough.
I've watched Zeitgeist too. I just cannot stand extreme believers any more, I've had enough.
most extremes are evil. agreed.
I thought I was presenting you a light minded fresh approach that beliving in god is really rewarding. that was my point. and also that restrictions are not the core of the christian faith as you can see it's ok to be rich for example. it's just not ok to be poisoned by money... just an example there are many more for sure..
I thought I was presenting you a light minded fresh approach that beliving in god is really rewarding. that was my point. and also that restrictions are not the core of the christian faith as you can see it's ok to be rich for example. it's just not ok to be poisoned by money... just an example there are many more for sure..
I have alraeady agreed once that to some extent religion can help a lot of people.. But it also ruins a lot.
Thanks for the discussion mate. I wish you a nice life in the name of the lord. :)
Thanks for the discussion mate. I wish you a nice life in the name of the lord. :)
Thanks :) too and for no flame
well im a atheist... but if i really do fuck up im allways thinking that god should help me if you know what i mean.. :) if i fucked a my girls friend or some shit like that.. (not saying that i fuck alot of girls... but it was just an exsampel..:D)
everyone talks so much about different religions, atheism, etc.
but what is on the other side than ?
I am asking, can anyone accept that when you die there is total darkness, nothing ? It's easy to say there is no god, that there are karmas, buddhism, reincartnation... etc....
Other thing I am so sorry for ppl that don't see god around us every day, and the amazing miracles that life gives us thru our everyday little situations, ppl we meet, events that occur...
Sad that there is so much agressive behavior when talking about religions, faith....
It's such a wonderful gift that we have and so much good to be done in this world for others... and the faith, idea that there is an afterlife and total happines after death... So freakin' amazing to me
It's seems to me it's a really dumb thing not to believe and throw away all the heaven....
....ppl are manipulated in my opinion.
Please think it over guys... and think it over atheists cuz it just doesn't make any sense to watch zeitgeist and throw all away... and check also on YT movies which step by step explain why zeitgeist is false in most part.
I am chrisitian btw. and base my believes on bible.
PS.
For more info I can invite to check calvary chapel (type in google) where I have learned mostly what is a pure christianity without anythig like ctalicism, baptysm, etc....
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but what is on the other side than ?
I am asking, can anyone accept that when you die there is total darkness, nothing ? It's easy to say there is no god, that there are karmas, buddhism, reincartnation... etc....
Other thing I am so sorry for ppl that don't see god around us every day, and the amazing miracles that life gives us thru our everyday little situations, ppl we meet, events that occur...
Sad that there is so much agressive behavior when talking about religions, faith....
It's such a wonderful gift that we have and so much good to be done in this world for others... and the faith, idea that there is an afterlife and total happines after death... So freakin' amazing to me
It's seems to me it's a really dumb thing not to believe and throw away all the heaven....
....ppl are manipulated in my opinion.
Please think it over guys... and think it over atheists cuz it just doesn't make any sense to watch zeitgeist and throw all away... and check also on YT movies which step by step explain why zeitgeist is false in most part.
I am chrisitian btw. and base my believes on bible.
PS.
For more info I can invite to check calvary chapel (type in google) where I have learned mostly what is a pure christianity without anythig like ctalicism, baptysm, etc....
Post edited 2011-05-10 19:37:28
When you die, it´s the same when you weren´t born yet.
interesting agrument :-) and when you really think about it... must check that deeper.
In my opinion it´s the only logical explination :p But i know, the older you get the more you don´t underestand it. How is it possible that nothing exists after you die? Same way before you were born :D The same emptiness, room of nothing.
If you achieve something ,you will live kinda forever .. thoughts of great minds are still alive, their ideas still live , so they live.. im going to much in philosophy with this -.-'
but its kinda like that ?:D
but its kinda like that ?:D
room for nothing it's something :-)
Your theory fails without more explanation. Good thing that faith actually give you possibility to believe in thing which don't need to be proven. however like I said earlier I see god's miracles everyday so it's proven to me time after time after time. mostly when I was really fuuu....cked with my life and I leardned from it and was able to remain happy, other than that moment of real happines and the awareness of that I have to be responsilbe and aprreciative and so on... god exist you have blinded soul receptors if you dont feel his awesome existance :-)
I am so much into the concept that thru pain you learn most and become better, more happy, aware of whats going on..
and you know ppl do bad things to ppl. we have the general freedom... to hurt ppl... or to be good and help them...
everybody wants happiness.
no one wants pain.
but how can you make Rainbow
without a little rain
:) life is beutiful. god exist. I am tellin you :-) and he is so graceful and awesome.
the biggest gift we have is the choice that we can be good or bad, confused and clear in mind, positive or negative, how we react to the often cruel life experiences...
Your theory fails without more explanation. Good thing that faith actually give you possibility to believe in thing which don't need to be proven. however like I said earlier I see god's miracles everyday so it's proven to me time after time after time. mostly when I was really fuuu....cked with my life and I leardned from it and was able to remain happy, other than that moment of real happines and the awareness of that I have to be responsilbe and aprreciative and so on... god exist you have blinded soul receptors if you dont feel his awesome existance :-)
I am so much into the concept that thru pain you learn most and become better, more happy, aware of whats going on..
and you know ppl do bad things to ppl. we have the general freedom... to hurt ppl... or to be good and help them...
everybody wants happiness.
no one wants pain.
but how can you make Rainbow
without a little rain
:) life is beutiful. god exist. I am tellin you :-) and he is so graceful and awesome.
the biggest gift we have is the choice that we can be good or bad, confused and clear in mind, positive or negative, how we react to the often cruel life experiences...
The second you accept an answer as the most plausible one, without evidence, your journey is done. As soon as you say "I don't know, but let's see if we can find out," that's when the journey begins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmj7i_BLEvA
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EDIT: Im glad there arent any American fundalists visiting this forum, would be an huge fight.
Post edited 2011-05-10 19:49:53
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmj7i_BLEvA
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EDIT: Im glad there arent any American fundalists visiting this forum, would be an huge fight.
Post edited 2011-05-10 19:49:53
Please mate never bring kind of those discussions on these sites, you already know they are narrow minded and can't understand one word of what you said because they don't even have read the Holy Quran.
Im truly muslim since 8 years and like 90 % of my prayers i wished something and it happened, examples:
I was a dick at school, i prayed to get my A-level i got it.
I have difficulties to pass my driving license i prayed and i got it.
I prayed one friend to cure his sickness (something like cancer)and he was fine.
my Gf i prayed for her to get her driving licence, her exam and her boat licence and she got it even if she was not ready for all.
Heavon, dont waste your time and admin please enough hating for this week close the topic.
Im truly muslim since 8 years and like 90 % of my prayers i wished something and it happened, examples:
I was a dick at school, i prayed to get my A-level i got it.
I have difficulties to pass my driving license i prayed and i got it.
I prayed one friend to cure his sickness (something like cancer)and he was fine.
my Gf i prayed for her to get her driving licence, her exam and her boat licence and she got it even if she was not ready for all.
Heavon, dont waste your time and admin please enough hating for this week close the topic.
hahahahaha are you trolling?
And what happens when you pray and your cancerous friend doesn't get cured? You stop believing? rofl
And what happens when you pray and your cancerous friend doesn't get cured? You stop believing? rofl
if he didn't get cured i will still believe read 100 times my comment before replying ? show me one sentence where i said when i don't get what i want from God i stop praying ?
Hahahaha.. You should ask him to pray for you to win DreamHack Summer :D
Than we will know is he telling truth :D
Than we will know is he telling truth :D
I hope he is
Can you do me a favour?
Believe that you win the lottery ( i´l pay the lottery ticket of my winning´s cut ) and we´l make it 50/50. Sounds good?
If allah exists, i´l PM you my bank info tommorrow.
Post edited 2011-05-10 20:11:22
Believe that you win the lottery ( i´l pay the lottery ticket of my winning´s cut ) and we´l make it 50/50. Sounds good?
If allah exists, i´l PM you my bank info tommorrow.
Post edited 2011-05-10 20:11:22
I cant, random games like the lottery are not allowed in the Quran; good luck;
Ofcourse they aren´t. If i´m a true believer i can get 72 virgins in heaven?
Where have you read that?
This is what is told to suicide bombers ( muslims ) before they go blow themselves up.
Well, in Quran it's clearly stated you are not allowed to commit suicide whatsoever. And I've never heard of these 72virgins and never read of it. Has media tricked you again :P?
Nah, not media. It´s been around in hundreds of movies. Good luck in beliving a man who came up with some nonsense ( 1500 years ago ) and good luck beliving in afterlife. If you die, it´s the same as you weren´t born yet. You just don´t exist anymore. So tell me what is the point of wasting your short life in a religion ( bestseller hundreds years ago :P ) which was written by a man...?
Post edited 2011-05-10 22:45:12
Post edited 2011-05-10 22:45:12
Oh, this comment could not be a good one, as it's #666 :P
Who says I'm shortening my life? A muslim should pray 5 times a day. In total, you lose about 1 hour, you still have 23hours to work and "live your life" here.
But I think I know what you mean by "living my life" - As in I should go out at night, come home at midnight, hangning out, drinking, making your parents worried. Also after 18 years old to move out from your parents house, and move into your own, leaving your old parents alone. No thanx, even living in Western, that hasn't any influence of me. I'm happy, if that's what you want to know :d
So, btw what do you do for living?
Who says I'm shortening my life? A muslim should pray 5 times a day. In total, you lose about 1 hour, you still have 23hours to work and "live your life" here.
But I think I know what you mean by "living my life" - As in I should go out at night, come home at midnight, hangning out, drinking, making your parents worried. Also after 18 years old to move out from your parents house, and move into your own, leaving your old parents alone. No thanx, even living in Western, that hasn't any influence of me. I'm happy, if that's what you want to know :d
So, btw what do you do for living?
I´m the devil, judgement day will come soon! BEAWARE!!!!
Seriously,
I´m working as a IT customer support and working on my masters degree @ sysadmin.
And now do the math, let´s say you live up to 80 years and you started praying since 8 years old, how many does/years does it make in total?
Seriously,
I´m working as a IT customer support and working on my masters degree @ sysadmin.
And now do the math, let´s say you live up to 80 years and you started praying since 8 years old, how many does/years does it make in total?
Not sure how many hours I'll in your opinion "loose", but it's still about 1 hour in total, it's nothing.
Well, it´s pretty simple. You are wasting 1/24 of your life on praying. Let´s say you started your muslim life when you were 8 years old and you live up to 80 years ( which is highly unlikely )
80-8=72*(1/24=~0,04)=2,88=~3 years. In this case you wasted your whole highschool life on praying.
I still didn´t get answer to my first question: What does the quran say about extraterrestrial life?
Post edited 2011-05-10 23:03:03
80-8=72*(1/24=~0,04)=2,88=~3 years. In this case you wasted your whole highschool life on praying.
I still didn´t get answer to my first question: What does the quran say about extraterrestrial life?
Post edited 2011-05-10 23:03:03
get rational..
it was a big mistake to open such a topic.. you cant judge other people's religion!
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So let´s sum up this thread.
Religion
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Pros:
a lot of people believing
some making living out of it
some "prophets" got very rich
Cons:
~10 billion dead people + increasing every day
Religion
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Pros:
a lot of people believing
some making living out of it
some "prophets" got very rich
Cons:
~10 billion dead people + increasing every day
a lot of people believing - this goes for both cons and pros.
:)
Everyone is free to believe in what he wants.
dunno if god exists but the religion might help u in difficult situations:)
dunno if god exists but the religion might help u in difficult situations:)
don't say religion, say faith. Two different things.
Yes, Faith in something could/can help in hard times
Yes, Faith in something could/can help in hard times
Come on man open your eyes! you can help yourself without the help of that structured, ancient and corrupted organization... You don't need that those guys tell to you what to think, what to say or what to do. Real persons, people that you see all the days and those who lives near you, are those that will help you in difficult situations. Cheers and regards...
And sorry by my difficult english...
Post edited 2011-05-10 22:18:56
And sorry by my difficult english...
Post edited 2011-05-10 22:18:56
by saying difficult situations I mean
those situations where u get lost in a jungle or in a forest (special situations) .. beeing forced to spend the night there in real danger
The faith can make u go on or atleast u can get some motivation boost. I hope u understand my point:)
those situations where u get lost in a jungle or in a forest (special situations) .. beeing forced to spend the night there in real danger
The faith can make u go on or atleast u can get some motivation boost. I hope u understand my point:)
even if there is no God I want to believe in something otherwise my life wouldn't make sense :P I mean it's good for me to have 'someone' whom I can 'tell' my secrets, blame him (?) for my fails etc. ;P
Post edited 2011-05-10 21:05:32
Post edited 2011-05-10 21:05:32
religion cause wars
How can you say something like this ? The world leaders are not idiots.
Money causes wars,"religion causes wars" is just a lame excuse.
Money causes wars,"religion causes wars" is just a lame excuse.
??
Religion doesn't cause war, money causes wars.
What about the conquerors in america?
they had gold..
So they didn't kill people in the name of god? They wanted to expand their reign and inculcate christianism there.
There had been many wars in the name of religion, if you didn't know it, just use google.
One of the most known: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
Post edited 2011-05-11 01:23:35
There had been many wars in the name of religion, if you didn't know it, just use google.
One of the most known: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
Post edited 2011-05-11 01:23:35
I know ,the wars were in name of religion and they expanded christianism there.
But they took all their gold ,and IMO that was the main reason.
But they needed sport from normal people ,so they said they do it in Gods name.
But they took all their gold ,and IMO that was the main reason.
But they needed sport from normal people ,so they said they do it in Gods name.
So if you wan't to inculcate christianism because is the right think (for them) why do you have to kill the ones who are infidel to it?
And of course gold is a factor, no one tells it isn't, in wars, theres always a bounty.
Read that link I gave to you, then you can read the reconquista war, french wars of religion, muslim conquets, etcetera. There are plenty of them.
And of course gold is a factor, no one tells it isn't, in wars, theres always a bounty.
Read that link I gave to you, then you can read the reconquista war, french wars of religion, muslim conquets, etcetera. There are plenty of them.
What about holocaust, which hunting, etc?
THEY HAD GOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even though they had gold, it was obviously blamed on them because of their RELIGION.
Well, if you've read my post up here, and the guy I was complaining about, you will understand why I answer you: THEY HAD GOLD!!!!!!!!!
Is your humor ok today? :P
Is your humor ok today? :P
Lol sorry ~~