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Truth about e-sports, $$$, HLTV.org and CS
2012-08-23 19:39
We see Valve, HLTV.org and some pro-players (Heaton, etc) putting a lot of effort into CS:GO these days.
Valve = wants to sell many many copies of the game.
HLTV.org = Needs an active e-sport title to cover, or the website wouldn't go on, no more money, no more sponsors, no more salaries, etc...
Pro-players = A lot of the current pro-players gave everyting to CS, putting several hours a day on the game for years, a lot of them are old and don't even have a degree (f0rest, etc). Btw, walle retired from CS and ended up working as a roof snow cleaner, just so you get an idea... To get good jobs these days, you need not only the degree, but experience on the field, and most of the pro-players have none. What options do they have, if not to go after the e-sport money? If the money is now on CS:GO, thats where they will go right?
What about the ex-proplayers, like Heaton? Well, the guy is known for Counter-Strike, and now he has a company that relies on selling gear to players. Pretty sure a lot of those players play CS, so if CS dies, he will lose revenue, thats just a fact. So, is anyone surprised to see him supporting CS:GO all the way? The more players in CS:GO, the more gear he sells, period.
So far, all we see is MONEY as the fuel of the decisions regarding CS:GO.
BUT of course, people usualy don't talk about money that way, so the usual word arround is: "we are doing it for e-sports"
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All of those people I mentioned up to now, have NO OTHER OPTION, unless putting everything into CS:GO and hoping it will succeed.
All right, but are all of us in that situation? Are all of us really playing games for money?
What about the guy that plays with his friends 1h per day at night, because his priority has nothing to do with gaming? He never really wanted to be a pro-player, he wanted to be a doctor, he works hard for it, and video games is only for fun? Tell me one good reason why this guy needs to play this or that game or version? This guy will play whatever he wants to, and there is absoluite nothing wrong with it. This guy can try CS:GO and not like it, not play it. Its his opinion, his life, since when people are not entitled to give their opinions?
The CS community is huge. If you count the non-steam players, its well over 100K players every day. Now, how many of those, you think are pro-players, or play for money, or even care about about that? Here is a tip for you. Take any year of CS 1.6 you want. Any year, it could be 2006, 2010, whatever. Now, take away the top 40 teams of that year, thats 200 pro-players. Tell me, what is left, in terms of the remaining money earnings for the teams / players in that entire year? Alsmost nothing. That just shows how small e-sports actually is. People just think its big, because NAVI won a lot of money, or because some professional SC2 player won a lot of money. The number of players winning good money out of it, is just too low.
So tell me, the CS community is 100K players large (or more), and you think they should move on to this or that, because of the VAST minority of players that needs to make money of out a video game?
If someone doesn't like CS:GO, so be it. Don't delete their threads, don't call him an idiot, he is not. Its his opinion, and its fine.
It gets bad when HLTV.org starts deleting threads that are negative about CS:GO and keeping ones that are positive.
It gets bad when some pro-players call the CS community names, because of their preference about a CS version, or their opinion on CS:GO.
It gets bad when you see people with power trying to force some situation just because it will be good for them (meaning they will win more money out of it), and then trow the usual speech about "it will be good for e-sports" arround it.
Hope this thread won't be deleted.
Bye.
Valve = wants to sell many many copies of the game.
HLTV.org = Needs an active e-sport title to cover, or the website wouldn't go on, no more money, no more sponsors, no more salaries, etc...
Pro-players = A lot of the current pro-players gave everyting to CS, putting several hours a day on the game for years, a lot of them are old and don't even have a degree (f0rest, etc). Btw, walle retired from CS and ended up working as a roof snow cleaner, just so you get an idea... To get good jobs these days, you need not only the degree, but experience on the field, and most of the pro-players have none. What options do they have, if not to go after the e-sport money? If the money is now on CS:GO, thats where they will go right?
What about the ex-proplayers, like Heaton? Well, the guy is known for Counter-Strike, and now he has a company that relies on selling gear to players. Pretty sure a lot of those players play CS, so if CS dies, he will lose revenue, thats just a fact. So, is anyone surprised to see him supporting CS:GO all the way? The more players in CS:GO, the more gear he sells, period.
So far, all we see is MONEY as the fuel of the decisions regarding CS:GO.
BUT of course, people usualy don't talk about money that way, so the usual word arround is: "we are doing it for e-sports"
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All of those people I mentioned up to now, have NO OTHER OPTION, unless putting everything into CS:GO and hoping it will succeed.
All right, but are all of us in that situation? Are all of us really playing games for money?
What about the guy that plays with his friends 1h per day at night, because his priority has nothing to do with gaming? He never really wanted to be a pro-player, he wanted to be a doctor, he works hard for it, and video games is only for fun? Tell me one good reason why this guy needs to play this or that game or version? This guy will play whatever he wants to, and there is absoluite nothing wrong with it. This guy can try CS:GO and not like it, not play it. Its his opinion, his life, since when people are not entitled to give their opinions?
The CS community is huge. If you count the non-steam players, its well over 100K players every day. Now, how many of those, you think are pro-players, or play for money, or even care about about that? Here is a tip for you. Take any year of CS 1.6 you want. Any year, it could be 2006, 2010, whatever. Now, take away the top 40 teams of that year, thats 200 pro-players. Tell me, what is left, in terms of the remaining money earnings for the teams / players in that entire year? Alsmost nothing. That just shows how small e-sports actually is. People just think its big, because NAVI won a lot of money, or because some professional SC2 player won a lot of money. The number of players winning good money out of it, is just too low.
So tell me, the CS community is 100K players large (or more), and you think they should move on to this or that, because of the VAST minority of players that needs to make money of out a video game?
If someone doesn't like CS:GO, so be it. Don't delete their threads, don't call him an idiot, he is not. Its his opinion, and its fine.
It gets bad when HLTV.org starts deleting threads that are negative about CS:GO and keeping ones that are positive.
It gets bad when some pro-players call the CS community names, because of their preference about a CS version, or their opinion on CS:GO.
It gets bad when you see people with power trying to force some situation just because it will be good for them (meaning they will win more money out of it), and then trow the usual speech about "it will be good for e-sports" arround it.
Hope this thread won't be deleted.
Bye.
Well said. Fully agreed
As long you can make a living out of it, mb not raising kids included, but just be able to live a normal life outside the game, then there's no to.. old, Rly?
Good points anyways, CS needs more money getting pumped into it, tournaments, more vital scene - deeper players/team-pool to survive. CS 1.6 not so much 2012 - .
Even if CS:GO doesnt break through the e-sport scene like SCII, its however critical for the team fps based scene to surive in the longer perspective. Perhaps in furure CSP can take over or something. But really like mentioned, CSGO is a lifes-saving airpocket, for now, weather you ATM fancy the feeling in it or not. And the other point is, CSGO got frquent updates -(Counter-Strike havnt seen such in while) it can only improve.
Post edited 2012-08-29 00:23:09
Good points anyways, CS needs more money getting pumped into it, tournaments, more vital scene - deeper players/team-pool to survive. CS 1.6 not so much 2012 - .
Even if CS:GO doesnt break through the e-sport scene like SCII, its however critical for the team fps based scene to surive in the longer perspective. Perhaps in furure CSP can take over or something. But really like mentioned, CSGO is a lifes-saving airpocket, for now, weather you ATM fancy the feeling in it or not. And the other point is, CSGO got frquent updates -(Counter-Strike havnt seen such in while) it can only improve.
Post edited 2012-08-29 00:23:09
This blog should NOT be deleted.
We do not delete threads that are critical of CS:GO, we lock threads that are pointless and add nothing to the site, e.g. the 10th thread about how CS:GO SUCKS LOL, we have a filter people can use if they do not wish to see any references to CS:GO, it will hide both news, matches and the CS:GO forum, and that is why we delete the posts.
We got a user base that wish to follow CS:GO, and they do not want various idiots posting in the forums about how bad the game is, how would you feel if SC2 gamers constantly came here and talked about how CS 1.6 should just be shut down because SC2 is much bigger anyways and CS 1.6 is shit?
We got a user base that wish to follow CS:GO, and they do not want various idiots posting in the forums about how bad the game is, how would you feel if SC2 gamers constantly came here and talked about how CS 1.6 should just be shut down because SC2 is much bigger anyways and CS 1.6 is shit?
I've seen you locking threads about CS:GO statistic numbers, and how they were not actually too good. Those were not even opinions, those were statistical facts, and you locked it.
I have a thread about CS:GO and it was deleted too.
Sorry, but what you say is not really true. What was written on this blog sounds way more like the truth to me.
I have a thread about CS:GO and it was deleted too.
Sorry, but what you say is not really true. What was written on this blog sounds way more like the truth to me.
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I wouldn't care and ofc you are deleting threads that are critical for CS:GO :) gg
Yea everything critical of CS:GO has been vacuumed form the face of the site, or..
you deleted my thread about 1.3 vs go, on how much better 1.3 was with bunnyhop, planting while moving, better awp and more fun using submachineguns.... :):D:E
i guess thats because there was not planting while moving in 1.3, i think 1.3 was the first version to have it changed =D
Well said. If anything you don't ban enough retards/trolls from spamming useless shit.
CS 1.6 is not shit.
SC2 sucks
Post edited 2012-08-24 21:47:30
SC2 sucks
Post edited 2012-08-24 21:47:30
did you try sc2?
kinda agreed, but it should be true the other way around too. I'm already sick of these idiots trolling "1.6 dead"
Those are usually deleted as well.
"SC2 gamers constantly came here and talked about how CS 1.6 should just be shut down because SC2 is much bigger anyways and CS 1.6 is shit?"You no understand, you piece of sheet. We came to our 1.6 site to say cs:go is shit. It is much difference between go to another game's site and say that site's game is shit and come to your's game site and say shit about another game.
Btw there's no offensive language in my post I'm just Italiano man who went to Malta.
Btw there's no offensive language in my post I'm just Italiano man who went to Malta.
"So tell me, the CS community is 100K players large (or more), and you think they should move on to this or that, because of the VAST minority of players that needs to make money of out a video game?"
If that was really true, and of course that is NOT true... 100k players hahahaha! If it was true, why would tournament organisers drop the game. And if you seriously think Valve are "paying" tournaments to drop 1.6 and switch to GO, then you are severly deluded. If that was the case, Source would have replaced 1.6 a long time ago on the international circuit.
If that was really true, and of course that is NOT true... 100k players hahahaha! If it was true, why would tournament organisers drop the game. And if you seriously think Valve are "paying" tournaments to drop 1.6 and switch to GO, then you are severly deluded. If that was the case, Source would have replaced 1.6 a long time ago on the international circuit.
How dumb are you? Check the non-steam players in CS 1.6, in south america and china, india... 100K is a very realistic number, considering 50K is already on the steamstats, in fact, game-monitor.com reports a way higher number of player (that counts no steam).
Also, look at what you said here:
"And if you seriously think Valve are "paying" tournaments to drop 1.6 and switch to GO, then you are severly deluded."
I read this blog twice, and he NEVER said such a thing. Looks like you can't read, and as I said, you are dumb as fuck. Cya.
Also, look at what you said here:
"And if you seriously think Valve are "paying" tournaments to drop 1.6 and switch to GO, then you are severly deluded."
I read this blog twice, and he NEVER said such a thing. Looks like you can't read, and as I said, you are dumb as fuck. Cya.
game-monitor.com - Includes Bots.
So yes the number is inflated, and cannot be even counted. As stated if that was the REALISTIC number, then why would tournaments drop a game that clearly still attracts the hundreds of thousands of players people claim to have.
So yes the number is inflated, and cannot be even counted. As stated if that was the REALISTIC number, then why would tournaments drop a game that clearly still attracts the hundreds of thousands of players people claim to have.
First off, game-monitor does count bots, and as of today, it is reporting 115K 1.6 players. Pretty reasonable to discard 15% of that as bots and you still would get 100K. On saturday and sunday, it reports close to 160K players.
Also, a few months back, when events started dropping 1.6, the official steamstats were reporting 70K 1.6 players during the weekends. and game-monitor was reporting 200K players.
If anything, 100K player as a total of nonsteam + steam seems REALLY reasonable.
Second, events dropped 1.6, because as Carmak said, professional teams were not so active arround the globe, as it once was. So its not about the total number of players, but the total number of PROFESSIONAL players and teams.
TF2 has just as many players as CS games, but their professional scene is just so weaker... so its not only about the number of players...
You are to dumb to even understand this things... I feel for you,
Also, a few months back, when events started dropping 1.6, the official steamstats were reporting 70K 1.6 players during the weekends. and game-monitor was reporting 200K players.
If anything, 100K player as a total of nonsteam + steam seems REALLY reasonable.
Second, events dropped 1.6, because as Carmak said, professional teams were not so active arround the globe, as it once was. So its not about the total number of players, but the total number of PROFESSIONAL players and teams.
TF2 has just as many players as CS games, but their professional scene is just so weaker... so its not only about the number of players...
You are to dumb to even understand this things... I feel for you,
You are just unbelievable.
The actual dribble I get from you is just not worth it.
Numbers determine tournament viability. Competitively TF2 as you mentioned, is not even a massive community, at present you are looking at 70 odd teams at their biggest LAN event. The steam stats themselves do not consider the difference between casual and competitive.
Events like IEM do look at the professional scene, whereas events such as DreamHack, and many others look at competitive numbers much closely.
The actual dribble I get from you is just not worth it.
Numbers determine tournament viability. Competitively TF2 as you mentioned, is not even a massive community, at present you are looking at 70 odd teams at their biggest LAN event. The steam stats themselves do not consider the difference between casual and competitive.
Events like IEM do look at the professional scene, whereas events such as DreamHack, and many others look at competitive numbers much closely.
I doubt there are more non steam players than you actually say, because you join some random pub sv with 32 slots here, the ratio of steamers to non steamers is like 1:10 or sometimes more.And most of the sv's dont get listed on game-tracker and such sites. Only a few sv's get listed on GT
yes this is true...
there are more no. of non-steam players in india. A very huge number.
there are more no. of non-steam players in india. A very huge number.
he's right, the non steam community is massive and the number is probably around what he predicted. the only thing is 95% of the non-steam community have no idea of the competitive scene and are completely oblivious to it.
And yet there is no way to prove this.
i play in non-steam communities and they have thousands of people in every one
So you keep telling me.... yet... there is still no actual proof of numbers. At this rate you are gonna tell me millions of people play 1.6 on non steam.
Again reverts back to my original statement, if this was the actual case, then why would tournaments drop 1.6?
Again reverts back to my original statement, if this was the actual case, then why would tournaments drop 1.6?
you are so stubborn it makes you sound like a downy with ADD.
No im being a realistic cunt. Thats the difference. Anyone can make statistics up and say "hundreds of thousands play non steam". But the truth of it, is we actually do not know as there are no actual figures to back these claims up.
At least I am not deluded like some people around here.
At least I am not deluded like some people around here.
trust me. that guy is pretty dumb. he thinks valve is making cs:go to help fps e-sports and the admins on this site knows their job is in jeopardy because once cs dies, they will have to ask walle if they can put him as a reference on their resume.
CS 1.6 + Sauce + CZ + CS:GO > 100K genius.
The author of the blog is talking only about cs 1.6 numbers(counting non-steam players too) and they are actually very possible as the portuguese guy wrote above you reply
Well, he said "CounterStrike community".
Counter Strike = Counter Strike 1.6
If they are referring to CSGO or CSS, they would say the full name, not just CS. That's how the general convention goes :P
If they are referring to CSGO or CSS, they would say the full name, not just CS. That's how the general convention goes :P
Read the damn blog.
I read the blog, hence why I quoted the blog, you fool.
The quote obviously wasn't the bit I was referring to, you fool.
The bit about valve paying was more a pre-emptive strike of what people HAVE said is the reason as to why the tournaments have dropped 1.6. If you can't see that then I'm sure you need to go back to school.
Pre-emptive strike...
/facepalm
/facepalm
I read it at all and agree with everything.
cadredtv.org
oh my god I'd love to be a roof snow cleaner :D
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Post edited 2012-08-23 20:00:54
The part with Walle employed as a roof snow cleaner made me actually laugh, but after a few seconds my face was like: what. the. hell. :D
I agree with what you are saying in essence, but this isn't something that is necessarily tied to e-sports.
Millions of people dedicate their lives to sport and only a fraction of them are able to make a career out of it. The rest end up as "walles" as you so eloquently put it.
Millions of people dedicate their lives to sport and only a fraction of them are able to make a career out of it. The rest end up as "walles" as you so eloquently put it.
Nice read
This is exaclty what i wanted to say before
excellent blog dude
Post edited 2012-08-23 20:04:00
excellent blog dude
Post edited 2012-08-23 20:04:00
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This is exaclty what i wanted to say before
excellent blog dude[2]
excellent blog dude[2]
Did you just find out the world revolves around money? Nice work there, Sherlock.
WOW man 10/10.... Atlast a good blog
Admins just delete the threads which are about some negative things in cs:go but why?? hltv came to this place because of the community, keep in mind i am not talking about the threads like CS:GO sucks,FUCK CS:GO,CS:GO fails
Post edited 2012-08-23 20:16:04
Admins just delete the threads which are about some negative things in cs:go but why?? hltv came to this place because of the community, keep in mind i am not talking about the threads like CS:GO sucks,FUCK CS:GO,CS:GO fails
Post edited 2012-08-23 20:16:04
Yea, all the hard work we did had no factor in it, and in fact, we must now work as slaves to the vocal users of the site, after all they made us, right?
We remove the duplicate posts and threads from various angry CS 1.6 fans in the CS:GO forums and newsposts, because we offer the option for everyone to filter away CS:GO if they have no interest. It is of no interest to the CS:GO followers to constantly see that CS 1.6 happens to have more pub players, it is pointless and only leads to flamewars and hatred, and thus it is removed. Critical thoughts about CS:GO, and HLTV.org are allowed, e.g. this blog is an example of this.
We remove the duplicate posts and threads from various angry CS 1.6 fans in the CS:GO forums and newsposts, because we offer the option for everyone to filter away CS:GO if they have no interest. It is of no interest to the CS:GO followers to constantly see that CS 1.6 happens to have more pub players, it is pointless and only leads to flamewars and hatred, and thus it is removed. Critical thoughts about CS:GO, and HLTV.org are allowed, e.g. this blog is an example of this.
so now you delete this blog?? let it get 200 views first please,my last wish and btw this thread is not about cs:go
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Post edited 2012-08-23 20:19:15
Uh, did you read my comment at all?
sorry i am high my apoloGy... seemed to me like arent allowed
You talk like a dictator. lol
He seems pretty fair to me. Have you ever lived through dictatorship?
Yeah, he also seems to be mad at the first sentence, as if everybody underestimate his work
Post edited 2012-08-24 01:07:33
Post edited 2012-08-24 01:07:33
I would say he has reason to be a bit pissed off. People claiming
"we" the "community" made HLTV.org. Bashing them because they are
including another game in their news.
I'm not a lover of CS:GO - but fuck, I don't mind the news about it.
I wouldn't mind them covering CSS (which I am also not a fan of) as I can't stand the Cadred site (hate this even more. From a design pov).
They (HLTV.org creators) made the site FOR the community (I guess, and maybe, at first, for an experiment/fun? I don't know.).
The community simply grew and embraced it. Keep fucking embracing it and help them cover CS1.6 and CS:GO to the best of their abilities.
Not slag them for working their arses off giving us news, comptetitions, event coverage, and wotnot. I would MUCH rather have everything come
through HLTV.org than most of the other sites about.
/incomprehensiblerant
Post edited 2012-08-25 10:52:33
"we" the "community" made HLTV.org. Bashing them because they are
including another game in their news.
I'm not a lover of CS:GO - but fuck, I don't mind the news about it.
I wouldn't mind them covering CSS (which I am also not a fan of) as I can't stand the Cadred site (hate this even more. From a design pov).
They (HLTV.org creators) made the site FOR the community (I guess, and maybe, at first, for an experiment/fun? I don't know.).
The community simply grew and embraced it. Keep fucking embracing it and help them cover CS1.6 and CS:GO to the best of their abilities.
Not slag them for working their arses off giving us news, comptetitions, event coverage, and wotnot. I would MUCH rather have everything come
through HLTV.org than most of the other sites about.
/incomprehensiblerant
Post edited 2012-08-25 10:52:33
Exactly.
It's hard to contemplate two different communities under one roof and hope that they get along. That's the whole point of the filter system, consider the fact HLTV wasn't built as a multi-game forum so people aren't used to a second game on the list, this causes a lot of issues and admins such as myself have to monitor the forums 24/7 to make sure everyone knows we treat both communities equally and unjustified flaming from either end must stop.
It's hard to contemplate two different communities under one roof and hope that they get along. That's the whole point of the filter system, consider the fact HLTV wasn't built as a multi-game forum so people aren't used to a second game on the list, this causes a lot of issues and admins such as myself have to monitor the forums 24/7 to make sure everyone knows we treat both communities equally and unjustified flaming from either end must stop.
Yea because a dictator would allow a blog like this..
I talk like someone that wants everyone to be able to use HLTV.org, not just the CS 1.6 zealots, we have decided to include CS:GO, and we plan to make the most of it, end of discussion.
I talk like someone that wants everyone to be able to use HLTV.org, not just the CS 1.6 zealots, we have decided to include CS:GO, and we plan to make the most of it, end of discussion.
A dictator would ban you in 5 seconds after that post you idiot.
Hey Mauro, you like to be polemic :D
Btw, exactly my thoughts, excelent blog mate, 10/10
Post edited 2012-08-23 20:16:08
Btw, exactly my thoughts, excelent blog mate, 10/10
Post edited 2012-08-23 20:16:08
You are clearly misunderstanding the term Esports. Counterstrike is an Esports becase of its competition. Thus to keep this alive, pro players are putting their faith in CSGO (for the money obviously, but they could quite easily get normal jobs and make the same amount, funnily enough they actually prefer to play PC games and enjoy it than get a normal job).
This whole idea that money is the only reason they are doing this is bullshit. They have a passion for Esports (not for 1.6). People who truly care about gaming will not be attached to a single game, they like the idea rather than the specifics. Hence why they want to push FPS games back to the front of Esports to rival the likes of LoL/SC2/Dota.
The fact you guys turn on anyone who backs CSGO is proof you dont give 2 shits about Esports because you are hindering it as a whole, showing it in a negative light. It'll never grow bigger if the only thing potential new-comers/sponsors/companies see is a bunch of immature people writing illiterate comments and swearing at each other.
Bottom line is: play what ever game you want, no one cares. But dont try and act like everyone who backs a new FPS game is doing it purely for money. Because there isnt much money in Esports, its a passion as well as a job!
This whole idea that money is the only reason they are doing this is bullshit. They have a passion for Esports (not for 1.6). People who truly care about gaming will not be attached to a single game, they like the idea rather than the specifics. Hence why they want to push FPS games back to the front of Esports to rival the likes of LoL/SC2/Dota.
The fact you guys turn on anyone who backs CSGO is proof you dont give 2 shits about Esports because you are hindering it as a whole, showing it in a negative light. It'll never grow bigger if the only thing potential new-comers/sponsors/companies see is a bunch of immature people writing illiterate comments and swearing at each other.
Bottom line is: play what ever game you want, no one cares. But dont try and act like everyone who backs a new FPS game is doing it purely for money. Because there isnt much money in Esports, its a passion as well as a job!
lol, what a bunch of crap... pretty sure f0rest and GeT_RiGhT switched to CS:GO for money, not for their passion for the game. Don't try to make e-sports more than what it is. The average joe in this business is just a video game addicted, that probably had serveral issues with their parents because of the long ours of playing video games. The average joe in esports usually is so addicted, he doesn't even take care of himself properly, and the average joe in e-sports usually either drop school, or don't have a degree till he is way way older than he would be. e-sports is not something to be really proud of if you ask me.
Again, you should read the blog again, thats way closer to the truth than your post. Cya.
Again, you should read the blog again, thats way closer to the truth than your post. Cya.
"e-sports is not something to be really proud of if you ask me."
So tell me, what are u doing here?
So tell me, what are u doing here?
Ye, you seemed to misunderstand my post completely...
My point is not the situation of the person in Esports. It's the fact that globally, it is expanding, prize money is expanding and FPS games are simply put - shrinking.
The fact is, these guys that we call professionals may get paid small amounts compared to anyone with real qualifications, but they play games for their passion as well as the money involved. They back a game like CSGO because it is the style of game they enjoy an its what they want to keep doing.
The fact posts like this keep trying to put them down is just a joke, because the person posting it clearly has no idea about real life, money or business.
My point is not the situation of the person in Esports. It's the fact that globally, it is expanding, prize money is expanding and FPS games are simply put - shrinking.
The fact is, these guys that we call professionals may get paid small amounts compared to anyone with real qualifications, but they play games for their passion as well as the money involved. They back a game like CSGO because it is the style of game they enjoy an its what they want to keep doing.
The fact posts like this keep trying to put them down is just a joke, because the person posting it clearly has no idea about real life, money or business.
in the end it will be like with CS:CZ vs 1.6, or CS:Source vs 1.6, or 1.6 vs CS death: the players will choose ergot affecting the e-sport scene and the rest of the flow. what's the big deal, all this talking is pointless. whatever has to happen will happen, whatever people want to play they will play. propaganda doesn't really affect anything.
And so What? Do you live without money? Imagine that you play CS professionally and you don't have degree. The game that you play ends.
What do you will do now for a living?
Yes the money is putting the CS:GO UP but so WHAT? I don't understand some people thinking.
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What do you will do now for a living?
Yes the money is putting the CS:GO UP but so WHAT? I don't understand some people thinking.
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could you explain what you had in mind by giving us an example of a guy, who plays the game for 1hour/day ? And how he is related with this topic "Valve, HeatoN & HLTV.org forces us to play CS:GO" ?
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Great thread. HLTV.org admins will delete it soon. They hate now comments and threads of 1.6 fans,because they are paid to make cs go popular
You're a fucking idiot.
no need to waste time on this nerd. He has got no life whatsoever.
Here is a little suggestion: Please add a delete button on the posts we make. And on threads too. If a user write something, he must have atleast a basic right to undo it.
Here is a little suggestion: Please add a delete button on the posts we make. And on threads too. If a user write something, he must have atleast a basic right to undo it.
Go ban yourself. I got banned for smaller words.
First of all, dont be naive. Nothing in this world survives without money and you want players to play for fun and passion....not caring for money ?
Their wont be a professional scene if everyone played without giving a shit about money. What utopian society do you live in ?
Secondly, if that was the case no need to come to hltv and talk about pro players what cfg they use or such ... dont support them cause they play even 1.6 for money. Go sit in your, play with your friends and bots.
Without hltv and without sponsors their even wont be CS 1.6.
If you dont ike a game dont play it, dont follow it but dont demolish what others might like and something which might at some stage turn gaming into a prospective career.
Their wont be a professional scene if everyone played without giving a shit about money. What utopian society do you live in ?
Secondly, if that was the case no need to come to hltv and talk about pro players what cfg they use or such ... dont support them cause they play even 1.6 for money. Go sit in your, play with your friends and bots.
Without hltv and without sponsors their even wont be CS 1.6.
If you dont ike a game dont play it, dont follow it but dont demolish what others might like and something which might at some stage turn gaming into a prospective career.
did you really read the blog? he doesn't "want players to play for fun and passion" at all. seriously, read it.
The truth about American 1.6: ITS DEAD
Sorry yall, shits been dead for a long time, esea is cool but Im not paying a monthly fee to play a 12 year old game. Heres to a brand new community fromt he ashes of source and 1.6 and newcomers!
Sorry yall, shits been dead for a long time, esea is cool but Im not paying a monthly fee to play a 12 year old game. Heres to a brand new community fromt he ashes of source and 1.6 and newcomers!
You've really got to pay to play ESEA in the States?
Same for ESL in Europe, you need premium to play in the good leagues...
That's really true, but in Europe we have the IHL and many other gatherleagues..
Btw, was it you today on markeloff's FFA CSDM?
Btw, was it you today on markeloff's FFA CSDM?
Anyway, there is an option in this website to not-show CS:GO news. So if you don't like the game and don't want to read any related news, just "block" that function.
You know there is many people who wants (if not play, then just follow CS:GO pro scene). And HLTV.org crew doesn't want to quit their "gaming job" by just closing this site. So they're following the game, which will have the most success in upcoming time.
If you still don't want to hear any news about CS:GO, i reccomend you to delete & forget HLTV.org, SK & other related with CS:GO websites, and just play tournaments, gathers, mixes and so on. Just accept, that CS1.6 pro scene fastly are going down.
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You know there is many people who wants (if not play, then just follow CS:GO pro scene). And HLTV.org crew doesn't want to quit their "gaming job" by just closing this site. So they're following the game, which will have the most success in upcoming time.
If you still don't want to hear any news about CS:GO, i reccomend you to delete & forget HLTV.org, SK & other related with CS:GO websites, and just play tournaments, gathers, mixes and so on. Just accept, that CS1.6 pro scene fastly are going down.
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i am with u , hltv doing a massive campaign for cs:go , they delete my thread badmouthing cs:go , they re doing everything for cs:low to keep their job and even win more profits, dude vG and mouse and mtw , will dominate the scene , and cs players will cry to 1.6 comeback again .. just wait and see.. and people that think this stupid game will have money prizes like starcraft or dota they re clueless , because less people play pc fps nowaday because of the consoles evolution
Wake up mate, it's all about money. Not just CS:GO. I love CS 1.6, I've been playing it for ten years and I do like it much much more than CS:GO. But, I feel the need to try something, fresh. Move on.
"HLTV.org and those websites who have pretty immature people writing comments" well this "blog" just proves it
In my opinion it does not. Opinions don't count.
Im sorry to tell you OP but... this also happens with that football bs, Im sorry mb you thought it was different in the narnia world you live in.
by the way, a job as a roof snow cleaner as you said walle has, in sweden it might give more money than most jobs in another part of the world, and a job is a job.. maybe he didnt want to study with almost 30yrs old
and most pro CS players study in college and play at the same time ;)
and most pro CS players study in college and play at the same time ;)
It's like corruption all over the place...any of the hltv.org admings will deny it but we all know what's happening right here, right now...we are forced to play this game like it or not...that's how it is!
That's called a dictatorship. :)
Corruption LOLOLOLOL
Really? If you dont play GO some valve employee will go to your house and make you play it? Grow up please.
Really? If you dont play GO some valve employee will go to your house and make you play it? Grow up please.
LOLOLOLOL and telling other people to grow up is childish. Please grow up, saloio.
Hi, first of all, i did not talk to you, so stop messing in other peoples conversations.
Secondly, what you said makes no sense, im telling him to grow up because if he really thinks that there is corruption in this valve / hltv / GO thing, then his brain is messed up. You really think valve is paying nixon, nomad etc to sponsor their game? ffs... hltv needs to move on just like many players are doing with GO. 1.6 is dying and the big tournaments are nearly over so hltv must continue and expand to a new counter strike if they want their community to stay big. Its not a matter of corruption nor "dictatorship" (biggest joke ever), its a matter of being smart and think a step ahead.
On this dictatorship thngy, well.. Its pure bullcrap by you 1.6 kids (kids ragging here on hltv on every GO topic and spamming useless shit about how the game is not perfect). The admins on this site are really nice guys, they made everything for the 1.6 community and this is how you treat them once they want to move foward. They dont deserve your shit kid, they dont deserve your illuminati shit on how they are being paid to delete your posts or topics about CS:GO. They deserve some respect for what they did in the past decade for you and 1.6. If you really think that deleting topics spamming "CS:GO sucks and 1.6 4life" is dictatorshp then you my friend, should think a little more. Like i said before, if you want to make a topic where you critizse GO and make a constructive critic then i can asure you no admin will delete it even though im no admin nor have any special right in this forum. Now before you accuse the hltv admins of being dictators, think a bit of what you have been doing and how you got on their nerves. Stop being a retard and grow up. Kid.
Secondly, what you said makes no sense, im telling him to grow up because if he really thinks that there is corruption in this valve / hltv / GO thing, then his brain is messed up. You really think valve is paying nixon, nomad etc to sponsor their game? ffs... hltv needs to move on just like many players are doing with GO. 1.6 is dying and the big tournaments are nearly over so hltv must continue and expand to a new counter strike if they want their community to stay big. Its not a matter of corruption nor "dictatorship" (biggest joke ever), its a matter of being smart and think a step ahead.
On this dictatorship thngy, well.. Its pure bullcrap by you 1.6 kids (kids ragging here on hltv on every GO topic and spamming useless shit about how the game is not perfect). The admins on this site are really nice guys, they made everything for the 1.6 community and this is how you treat them once they want to move foward. They dont deserve your shit kid, they dont deserve your illuminati shit on how they are being paid to delete your posts or topics about CS:GO. They deserve some respect for what they did in the past decade for you and 1.6. If you really think that deleting topics spamming "CS:GO sucks and 1.6 4life" is dictatorshp then you my friend, should think a little more. Like i said before, if you want to make a topic where you critizse GO and make a constructive critic then i can asure you no admin will delete it even though im no admin nor have any special right in this forum. Now before you accuse the hltv admins of being dictators, think a bit of what you have been doing and how you got on their nerves. Stop being a retard and grow up. Kid.
or conspiracy =)
forced? .....sorry but you understood 0 from what the original poster said ....
So you've told us that money makes the world go round? This a new realization to or something? Never had a job? Everyone knows it's all about the money u have told us nothing.
best blog about csgo so far.
edit and best thread as well.
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edit and best thread as well.
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This blog is the closest thing about the truth and what is going on with CS at this moment.
Amazing read.
Amazing read.
Can people stop being retards and play the the game they want and not give a shit what others play
I think the general consensus has been that everyone is entitled to an opinion and are free to play whatever game they'd like. Counter-Strike 1.6, Source or Global Offensive. No one is forcing you to play a game you have no interest in.
The whole censoring thing a lot of you think we are doing is complete bullshit and has nothing to it. Sure, we delete a lot of threads, but they are mainly threads that are already in existance or are useless/content of inferior quality.
Let me make this very clear: we have absolutely no agenda in deleting threads or topics. I don't mean to be rude, but the people who think the opposite are morons and I'm offended that you think that low of us.
In regards to your "it'll be good for e-sports" comment, it might turn out to be just this. People have been wanting a new and decent FPS game for quite some time now. You might not have noticed this inside your CS 1.6 bubble, but this is the real truth.
You might be fine with putting down a couple of hours weekly with your friends playing CS 1.6, but I, personally, want more for CS than just that. I want CS to thrive, I want a strong and fierce competitive scene. I want the tournaments, the big checks. But I guess that's where we're different: we want different things.
The whole censoring thing a lot of you think we are doing is complete bullshit and has nothing to it. Sure, we delete a lot of threads, but they are mainly threads that are already in existance or are useless/content of inferior quality.
Let me make this very clear: we have absolutely no agenda in deleting threads or topics. I don't mean to be rude, but the people who think the opposite are morons and I'm offended that you think that low of us.
In regards to your "it'll be good for e-sports" comment, it might turn out to be just this. People have been wanting a new and decent FPS game for quite some time now. You might not have noticed this inside your CS 1.6 bubble, but this is the real truth.
You might be fine with putting down a couple of hours weekly with your friends playing CS 1.6, but I, personally, want more for CS than just that. I want CS to thrive, I want a strong and fierce competitive scene. I want the tournaments, the big checks. But I guess that's where we're different: we want different things.
hltv.org dont forget, CS1.6 made you famous, but also you made her more famous :)
Congratulations on graduating primary school and realising the world and virtually everything in it revolves around money. Get used to it.
lmfao this is nearly worse then when source was released.. When are people going to grow up...
If you want to play 1.6, just play 1.6 and don't bother with cs:go, it's perfectly normal for the topplayers to switch, there are barely any good tournaments left for 1.6, can you really blame them for wanting to play the game for the competitive side?
If you want to play 1.6, just play 1.6 and don't bother with cs:go, it's perfectly normal for the topplayers to switch, there are barely any good tournaments left for 1.6, can you really blame them for wanting to play the game for the competitive side?
I just think you are bunch of whining cunts. Play the game you like and if not then shut the hell up.
Well look at it like this...
Lots of people including NiP for example enjoy playing CS:GO.
It's a fun game to them, they are on a fresh start with basically a whole new game that's similar to their old game.
There's competition everywhere, and they can be top contenders and competing isn't boring for them.
The can win money from playing the fun game with friends, so I think it's really just perfect for them.
Yes, perfect for them. If they choose to become professional gamers and make money like that while having fun, why not? It's their lifestyle and if they're happy then that's all that matters.
Personally, I wouldn't want to become a professional gamer because I'd rather become something more "successful" but everyone's different.
Lots of people including NiP for example enjoy playing CS:GO.
It's a fun game to them, they are on a fresh start with basically a whole new game that's similar to their old game.
There's competition everywhere, and they can be top contenders and competing isn't boring for them.
The can win money from playing the fun game with friends, so I think it's really just perfect for them.
Yes, perfect for them. If they choose to become professional gamers and make money like that while having fun, why not? It's their lifestyle and if they're happy then that's all that matters.
Personally, I wouldn't want to become a professional gamer because I'd rather become something more "successful" but everyone's different.
How do you know walle works as roof snow cleaner? From what i've heard he works at JC Sverige fashion company =/
Excellent blog.
Counter Strike : 104 hours past 2 weeks.
Counter Strike : Global Offensive : 1.8 hours past 2 weeks.
I have a job and i don't want to be a professional. I play for fun and i'll play games as long as i find them fun. As the guy said, 200 pro players don't really matter in the scene of average online players who have no scope as a professional in the game. I will keep playing as normal and i'm sure there are plenty of people like me.
Counter Strike : Global Offensive : 1.8 hours past 2 weeks.
I have a job and i don't want to be a professional. I play for fun and i'll play games as long as i find them fun. As the guy said, 200 pro players don't really matter in the scene of average online players who have no scope as a professional in the game. I will keep playing as normal and i'm sure there are plenty of people like me.
104 h / 2 week and you say you play for fun...that sir si more like an addiction.
Seriously, this is one of the WORST blogs ive ever seen in this site. Why do you keep on making blogs about things everyone already know?
"Truth about e-sports, $$$, hltv etc", wtf is this? Even my 9year old sister knows the world spins around because of money, do you think you made a big discovery you have to share with us? LOL
You 1.6 diehard fans are hilarious. Fucking egoistic idiots that cannot understand that CS:GO might be the future for some people that play 1.6. They are normal people just like you and me. They need to make money just like any other person. If 1.6 falls they must make the most obvious choice in their way which is to change to GO, otherwise they will end up playing 50$ lans in 2/3 years. Stop judging them, you are no one to comment on their lives, especially walle since you have no clue.
And btw, stop being a hypocrit, saying the pros call the CS community names and stuff. You are the ones that call heaton a sellout.
About the censorship thing.. If you make a good topic about GO, i highly doubt the hltv admins will delete it. Ive seen very few topics in thi site where you do not insult the game. This blog btw, should be delete by so much crap youve wrote.
THE TRUTH ABOUT E-SPORTS.... LAWL.
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"Truth about e-sports, $$$, hltv etc", wtf is this? Even my 9year old sister knows the world spins around because of money, do you think you made a big discovery you have to share with us? LOL
You 1.6 diehard fans are hilarious. Fucking egoistic idiots that cannot understand that CS:GO might be the future for some people that play 1.6. They are normal people just like you and me. They need to make money just like any other person. If 1.6 falls they must make the most obvious choice in their way which is to change to GO, otherwise they will end up playing 50$ lans in 2/3 years. Stop judging them, you are no one to comment on their lives, especially walle since you have no clue.
And btw, stop being a hypocrit, saying the pros call the CS community names and stuff. You are the ones that call heaton a sellout.
About the censorship thing.. If you make a good topic about GO, i highly doubt the hltv admins will delete it. Ive seen very few topics in thi site where you do not insult the game. This blog btw, should be delete by so much crap youve wrote.
THE TRUTH ABOUT E-SPORTS.... LAWL.
Post edited 2012-08-24 13:53:57
I could not help but agree with you.
What I personally think is that, If anyone wants to become a 'Professional Gamer', They can make it a 'Side Job'. They can get a degree as a backup unlike the players u mentioned and can go ahead with whatever they want to do with gaming. After they retire, They can still go for jobs, But they will lack experience. Something is better than nothing.
What I personally think is that, If anyone wants to become a 'Professional Gamer', They can make it a 'Side Job'. They can get a degree as a backup unlike the players u mentioned and can go ahead with whatever they want to do with gaming. After they retire, They can still go for jobs, But they will lack experience. Something is better than nothing.
Amazing blog, so much agree
gj, i wanted to write similar blog to this but you did it better.
Those CS:GO fanboys will flame you haha
HLTV.org = Needs an active e-sport title to cover, or the website wouldn't go on, no more money
not true,if so they would cover LoL or sc2 or dota2
not true,if so they would cover LoL or sc2 or dota2
it is true, the main problem is if cs players want to see sc2/dota coverage ?
BEST BLOG I HAVE EVER read in my entire life... SEXY blog man and fking totally true thing... I wasted my 5 years in games and I ended up having 1 year drop ...
SO TRUE great BLOG...WILL REALLY LOVE TO SEE MORE WORTHY WORTHY blogs like this ..
LOVE U MAN GREAT ....
SO TRUE great BLOG...WILL REALLY LOVE TO SEE MORE WORTHY WORTHY blogs like this ..
LOVE U MAN GREAT ....
This is by far the best blog I've ever read on HLTV.org. Its just the truth about what is happening these days.
10/10, would bang.
well said, its all true. can't wait for promod (csp), woohoo!
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Critical Thinking 10/10
Now theres fun.Conspiracy, anger, hatred, idiotism and pubertal opinions in their very best.
Empire strikes back.
Empire strikes back.
I feel like you discovered whole new world honestly.
Things need to evolve and end at some point, people need to learn to move on.
TRUTH ABOUT LIFE.
TRUTH ABOUT LIFE.
I think most of us know how to move on.. whel i'm sure i know.. but the thing is for me that i had watched a lot of videos about CS:GO I tryied it and its just not attracting me at all while cs 1.6 is and i cant get it why they changing something when people realy still like the how it was :D sponsors? money? if most of people realy still like it why they not trying to get more money from it by spending nothing on changing it :D
I think the change was needed but cs:go is not ready to replace 1.6
I think its not a game that schould change 1.6 no? in my opinion its 1.7 that schould like it with 1.5 upgrated maps guns scorebords and so on :)
the problem is that valve can't create the same gameplay 1.6 has with source engine. And valve seems to be in love with that source engine.
the reason of that love is unexplainable for me..
The life is subjectif. You can't handle the truth about it. =)
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rly nice blog m8!
2 long did'nt read . sry .
Sorry, but cs 1.6 community that are still playing in 2012, just play it because the professional side of the game. NO ONE WILL play cs 1.6 for fun nowadays, this is a old game with old graphics, dont call new gamers attention, you're wrong afirmating that. Csgo is a playable game, with better graphics. New players surely will play the new version.
no ona will play cs 1,6 for fun? are you retarded? there is 50k players daily of 1.6.. so they all earn a salary? lol. there is dumb statements and then there is yours
This is the dumbest blog ive ever read. Maybe the reason GO has had a lot of articles lately is because of the release and the fact that there are actually tournaments for it. I dont know why the 1.6 community thinks flaming articles and creating use threads like OMG GO SUCKS are going to do anything. Im not going to buy GO cause it blows, but im not gonna sit here and flame lurppis and nixon because it will accomplish nothing but reveal just how immature the 1.6 community is.
Known stuff any matured player will know this. but thanks for enlightening this kids. I PLAY CS:GO ONLY CUZ IM OUT OF OPTION NOT CUZ I LIKE IT>
that's right what you said man, these days cs is complete shitty, in the past was best funiest thing that we did :) miss those days
Really ? Walle working as a roof snow cleaner :D
play GO or NO depends purely on ones interest and we have to accept the fact that money drives the tournaments.
If 1.6 is too stronk it will respawn til then ~regroup team~
play GO or NO depends purely on ones interest and we have to accept the fact that money drives the tournaments.
If 1.6 is too stronk it will respawn til then ~regroup team~
agreed , you can see that the cs community is shrinking, for every player moving to cs:go 2 players just retire . i for one didnt move to cs:cz, cs:s , cs:p and i will not move to cs:go , just dont like the game. if anything, i will quit cs.
LOL Men I think that everybody know that valve every player want to earn money he couldn't earn in cs 1.6 he go to the CS:GO.
It's like apple they could sell only IPod 1 but they want to sell another product to earn more and give people an uploaded version...
it's stupid that everyone says " I hate valve only cs 1.6" so.. think that valve don't invite a cs 1.6 only Half-life or cs 1.5 what would you tell ???
It's like apple they could sell only IPod 1 but they want to sell another product to earn more and give people an uploaded version...
it's stupid that everyone says " I hate valve only cs 1.6" so.. think that valve don't invite a cs 1.6 only Half-life or cs 1.5 what would you tell ???
So narrow-minded :D
The fact you think 1.6 is some sort of haven where no one exploited it for its monetary values in the past... Grow up and realise that any game in Esports is ALWAYS abused for personal gain. This market isn't a charity... Everything revolves around personal interest, fnatic staying in 1.6? ye thats not cos they like the game so much they dont want to leave, its because they know that the last few tournaments are financially viable and a lot of the top teams have left the game... OH EASY MONEY.
The fact you think 1.6 is some sort of haven where no one exploited it for its monetary values in the past... Grow up and realise that any game in Esports is ALWAYS abused for personal gain. This market isn't a charity... Everything revolves around personal interest, fnatic staying in 1.6? ye thats not cos they like the game so much they dont want to leave, its because they know that the last few tournaments are financially viable and a lot of the top teams have left the game... OH EASY MONEY.
Welcome cadred.org!
I'm glad that there are some smart people in HLTV. That was one of the few blogs I read from beggining till the end. Your opinion is exactly as same as mine.
Life is about money (unfortunately)..why CS wouldnt be also then ? This was obvious but with good point for some of those people.
doesn't matter how many brilliant posts someone makes
there will always be 10 times more idiots to flame it
there will always be 10 times more idiots to flame it
Sorry, but I don`t believe this money theory. Sure, money is important, but to be true professional, you has to have passion about your job. So you can`t claim that valve or Heaton just cares about money and don`t have passion neither pride in theyr job.
Money drive passion
So are you saying that they have played CS:GO long enough to have this "passion" for it? They'll get bored soon enough.
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e-sports nowaydays is all about the money
its about the sponsorship wich makes it attractive for the organisations wich can run teams to pay salaray and so on..
wasnt really unexpected that the switch will be done by publishers sponsors orgs and players
the game had his prime for a long time but against other games such as lol or dota2 cs isnt a shineing star anymore..
at all cs:go will never continue what cs is about in any way, it will have his time now but dissapear pretty fast compared what we had in the past..
compared to other games the community is just too small and the chance to become a player wich can affort life with gaming is too rare and mostly you dont get anything back for the effort you put in..
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its about the sponsorship wich makes it attractive for the organisations wich can run teams to pay salaray and so on..
wasnt really unexpected that the switch will be done by publishers sponsors orgs and players
the game had his prime for a long time but against other games such as lol or dota2 cs isnt a shineing star anymore..
at all cs:go will never continue what cs is about in any way, it will have his time now but dissapear pretty fast compared what we had in the past..
compared to other games the community is just too small and the chance to become a player wich can affort life with gaming is too rare and mostly you dont get anything back for the effort you put in..
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its'*
good read, good blog, agree with it.
yo, i really dont see why cs:go should be the saviour...
steamstats still tell the truth. for a retail game cs 1.6 is still the most played game on steam with a daily 50k+ peak.
csgo is way behind that with around 30k as the daily peak. so its not even necessary to count non-steam as 1.6 already has a bigger playerbase.
what i still dont understand is why major tournaments drop 1.6 as it attracts large audiences especially in eastern europe. it is really pointless to drop this game.
csgo should replace css and NOT 1.6.
there is no valid argument to it as everyone can tell that between 1.6 and css/csgo there is a huge difference in gameplay. to most players i know they are two different games and they should be treated as such.
steamstats still tell the truth. for a retail game cs 1.6 is still the most played game on steam with a daily 50k+ peak.
csgo is way behind that with around 30k as the daily peak. so its not even necessary to count non-steam as 1.6 already has a bigger playerbase.
what i still dont understand is why major tournaments drop 1.6 as it attracts large audiences especially in eastern europe. it is really pointless to drop this game.
csgo should replace css and NOT 1.6.
there is no valid argument to it as everyone can tell that between 1.6 and css/csgo there is a huge difference in gameplay. to most players i know they are two different games and they should be treated as such.
bunch of bullshit and should be deleted
Don't bring it on the world if you were bullied as a child.
Post edited 2012-09-07 06:46:02
Post edited 2012-09-07 06:46:02
I agree on many things, but im not totally schizoprenic hltv.org only deletes our "csgo sucks" topics because everyday there is made 30+ topics about same and in first day 100+ topics its annoying, but yes the game does suck very hard for esport.
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