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Muslims in Sweden.
Since big part of hltv.org community is swedish I've decided to ask you a question.
Recently Ive been watching a lot of documentary films about so called muslim emigrants in Sweden.
It seems to be huge problem for Your nation. Is it true that 1/4 population of Malmo consists of emigrants? 90% of them unemployed? More than half of them without basic educations?
One teacher said that in his school there are 1000 kids, 2 of them being swedish
Im really shocked.
There were interviews with sweish policemans, firemans, doctors etc who simply were teriffied and often refused to enter 'muslim' part of Malmo.
I simply cannot believe that. Thats why I want to confront those documentary films facts with real people experiences.
Recently Ive been watching a lot of documentary films about so called muslim emigrants in Sweden.
It seems to be huge problem for Your nation. Is it true that 1/4 population of Malmo consists of emigrants? 90% of them unemployed? More than half of them without basic educations?
One teacher said that in his school there are 1000 kids, 2 of them being swedish
Im really shocked.
There were interviews with sweish policemans, firemans, doctors etc who simply were teriffied and often refused to enter 'muslim' part of Malmo.
I simply cannot believe that. Thats why I want to confront those documentary films facts with real people experiences.
ok ..
2012-03-16 22:02:06
Kinda true actually, they build new mosques all the time.
And say that the unemployed should go and socialise in the mosque, but a major of the part that is unemployed and take money from the government is muslims.
In Sweden there are more mosque than churches.
And say that the unemployed should go and socialise in the mosque, but a major of the part that is unemployed and take money from the government is muslims.
In Sweden there are more mosque than churches.
2012-03-18 14:53:12
so what in Muslims country's you will find alot of churches every one got the right to take any religious he want to dont blame muslims blame the idiot brain that you have
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2012-03-19 23:06:33
In most Muslim countries churches most certainly wouldn't be allowed...
2012-03-20 13:43:36
are you really insane ? you actually believe that. If you do can you tell me from where did you got this information because according to me Muslims do not judge or interfere with anyone's religion. !
2012-03-22 13:01:14
your sources ????? no offence but i think the mojor most ppl form their point of view on issues based on what they see in the media.
2012-03-24 19:23:49
In most muslim country's christians, buddhist, and hinduist gets executed...
2012-03-20 16:44:30
Where the hell did you get that information from ?!?
most of my friends are Christians
we dont discuss those kind of things in here and we all live together wihtout even talking about those shit you are talking about
most of my friends are Christians
we dont discuss those kind of things in here and we all live together wihtout even talking about those shit you are talking about
2012-03-20 18:00:00
I have seen a lot of executions of christians, from a video site called liveleak. Over 300 are linked on a swedish forum.
I am talking about the countries who where divided in the same colony before the first WW1, like all of the african continent except Liberia and Etiopia.
Maybe if you learn some history you will know that the reason of the civilwars progressing still in those third-world contries.
I am talking about the countries who where divided in the same colony before the first WW1, like all of the african continent except Liberia and Etiopia.
Maybe if you learn some history you will know that the reason of the civilwars progressing still in those third-world contries.
2012-03-21 17:10:30
i dont know why iam discussing things like this with ignorance people !!
you guys think that every thing wrong and bad in the world caused by muslims.
you know nothing about muslims
am not telling you we are all good
there is some bad muslims as well
my point is dont judge us because of them.
you guys think that every thing wrong and bad in the world caused by muslims.
you know nothing about muslims
am not telling you we are all good
there is some bad muslims as well
my point is dont judge us because of them.
2012-03-22 12:12:48
Ohh believe me I can tell u a lot for them and especially for the Turkish people....
2012-03-24 21:47:25
am really sad to hear that
i just want you to know that not all of us like that
but we still got some idiots am not saying that we are all good
i just want you to know that not all of us like that
but we still got some idiots am not saying that we are all good
2012-03-24 22:09:55
so these so called 300 excutions are enough for you to label all muslims/arab world?? while joseph‑koney's troop alone fcked up more thn 300villages in africa?? funny now ppl write things based on material from liveleak. so i suggest YOU start learn some history from reliable source and get ur FACT right before you talk.
btw. I spend most of my life living between arabs, so i know what iam talking about.
btw. I spend most of my life living between arabs, so i know what iam talking about.
2012-03-24 19:30:35
I often see Christians being persecuted in countries like Egypt, but I dont know whether its the normal case there or not.
2012-03-23 19:29:51
i dont know about egypt to be honest ....
am talking about jordan ...
we dont have problems between us here
and what they say above is not true
am talking about jordan ...
we dont have problems between us here
and what they say above is not true
2012-03-23 21:46:40
http://www.flickr.com/photos/crusader009/701327480..
2012-03-25 09:35:54
stop posting shit !!!
i can write any thing like this
i hate discussing such things with ignorance people you are humiliating your self
its shame on you
when was the last time you saw muslims talking shit like you ?!?!?
huh ?
you cant remember cuz your are wrong and you know it
may god forgive your soul
i can write any thing like this
i hate discussing such things with ignorance people you are humiliating your self
its shame on you
when was the last time you saw muslims talking shit like you ?!?!?
huh ?
you cant remember cuz your are wrong and you know it
may god forgive your soul
2012-03-25 11:10:50
when was the last time i saw muslims talking shit like me?!?!?
its everytime...whenever i switch on the tv i see some islamic redneck giving speeches like "america will be annihilated islam will dominate the world, we shall bring allah's law shariat into force all over the world blah blah blah....."
the islamic leaders in america say that they will create the islamic state of north america by 2050, but before that the crusaders will rise again and kill them all lol
its everytime...whenever i switch on the tv i see some islamic redneck giving speeches like "america will be annihilated islam will dominate the world, we shall bring allah's law shariat into force all over the world blah blah blah....."
the islamic leaders in america say that they will create the islamic state of north america by 2050, but before that the crusaders will rise again and kill them all lol
2012-03-25 18:25:44
from ur nick i can judge the way u think.
2012-03-25 16:13:09
Surah 3:85 - If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted.
Surah 9:5 - Kill non-Muslims wherever you find them. Ambush, seize, and capture them.
If they convert to Islam and pray and contribute to the cause of Islam, let them go.
But I guess you haven't read the Quran...
Surah 9:5 - Kill non-Muslims wherever you find them. Ambush, seize, and capture them.
If they convert to Islam and pray and contribute to the cause of Islam, let them go.
But I guess you haven't read the Quran...
2012-03-25 13:58:00
Kill non-muslims ?!?!?
thats not in quran
our holy quran says and i qoute " every muslem who leaves eslam should be excuted"
thats not in quran
our holy quran says and i qoute " every muslem who leaves eslam should be excuted"
2012-03-25 16:03:40
I have never ever read this in Quran, u probably have read something else, Quran says, "I worship not what you worship, (2) Nor are you the worshippers of what I worship, (3) And I shall not be a worshipper of what you have worshipped. (4) Nor will you be the worshipper of what I worship. (5) You requital shall be yours, and my requital shall be mine. (6) " .
Quran gives u the freedom to choose ur religion, u have urs and i have mine, and it didnt order me to kill or to slave you !
Quran gives u the freedom to choose ur religion, u have urs and i have mine, and it didnt order me to kill or to slave you !
2012-03-25 16:10:52
http://www.flickr.com/photos/crusader009/701327480..
2012-03-25 09:36:36
There's not a single church/temple in Saudi Arabia!
2012-03-25 08:31:30
i went there for work
there is alot of churches there
your information is wrong
there is alot of churches there
your information is wrong
2012-03-25 11:07:29
LOL
The whole world knows there is not a single church in Saudi Arabia. Moreover they cut the limbs of thieves and behead criminals! They whip women who refuse to wear the burqa. What kind of a country us that?
The whole world knows there is not a single church in Saudi Arabia. Moreover they cut the limbs of thieves and behead criminals! They whip women who refuse to wear the burqa. What kind of a country us that?
2012-03-25 18:08:40
Im a muslim living in Sweden, no problem whatsoever..
That documentary of yours is not showing the whole picture of Sweden. One city with less than 1 million is not Sweden :) But arabs in particular, muslims and christians, like to live close to their relatives. For example in my city close to Stockholm, theres alot of Syriacs (christians). They are approx 50% of the inhabitants of this city.
So to answer your question, yes theres alot of imigrants, as me. But no, Sweden does not look like that
That documentary of yours is not showing the whole picture of Sweden. One city with less than 1 million is not Sweden :) But arabs in particular, muslims and christians, like to live close to their relatives. For example in my city close to Stockholm, theres alot of Syriacs (christians). They are approx 50% of the inhabitants of this city.
So to answer your question, yes theres alot of imigrants, as me. But no, Sweden does not look like that
2012-03-16 22:06:51
pita comingback to fnatic ? xD
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2012-03-16 22:08:31
I did not know that you are a my Muslim brother :)
2012-03-16 22:20:20
he told it on FB , not clearly but still .. i knew it from his name though ;)
2012-03-16 22:22:16
Dude he's from Bosnian, and plus his name is Faruk.
2012-03-17 18:46:41
all Bosnians arent muslims
2012-03-17 20:15:21
And? It has no sense at all.
2012-03-17 21:53:26
ofc you will teach me if it have sense or not ..
2012-03-18 11:34:21
I don't believe there's a majority of muslims in Bosnia so it's not that obvious and there's absolutely no connection between a NAME and a RELIGION. You can be named "Mohamed" and don't be a muslim.
2012-03-18 22:40:59
In BiH majority are muslims. first of all
second name in my country and in many others from his name you can guess which religion he is. Oke you don't know you didn't been hear, but don't tell me that "it have no sense" cause you don't know what are you talking about.
second name in my country and in many others from his name you can guess which religion he is. Oke you don't know you didn't been hear, but don't tell me that "it have no sense" cause you don't know what are you talking about.
2012-03-19 15:42:56
Ok if there's a majority of muslims in your country, I didn't been there as you said and I'm wrong about that. But what I'm trying to tell you is simple : you can have a name "Faruk" or "Ali" or whatever and don't be implied in a religion. I know some guys with a muslim name and they don't give a shit about any religions. You said "dude, he's bosnian and he's named faruk" like it was obvious that he's a muslim. He could be an arabic and not muslim too.
2012-03-19 19:52:25
faruk is a muslim name :) !
and i asked you before that and you tell me that you are muslim !
you are proude so :) !
and i asked you before that and you tell me that you are muslim !
you are proude so :) !
2012-03-16 22:28:25
there is no language called as Muslim. Faruk is a arabic name.
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2012-03-16 23:54:18
It's still a valid statement. In the English language you often hear people being described as having, 'strong Christian names', or, 'good Christian names'. It's the same thing. I know you don't have to be a muslim to be called Faruk and vice versa but the name is still more closely associated with Islam so the statement is relatively true.
2012-03-17 09:02:10
you are right in a sense , Muslim is not a language. but what he meant was Faruk is muslim name, such as Ali which is also a Muslim name and so on , DEFINITELY all names are Arabic :)
2012-03-17 09:51:00
I know that too but I'm a muslim and I got a Turkish name.
2012-03-17 11:50:42
Well u have too admit there are a few problems with the areas where there is a high % immigrants. Rosengård, Angered, Bergsjön, Rikeby etc. etc.
Indeed its not simply cuz there are muslims there, but id say the picture painted by that documentary seems fairly accurate too some(!) parts of sweden.
Indeed its not simply cuz there are muslims there, but id say the picture painted by that documentary seems fairly accurate too some(!) parts of sweden.
2012-03-16 23:49:55
yes but not all of muslim are like you mate ;)
2012-03-17 00:08:57
However, I do think it's a big problem down there in Malmö, and it's like that in other parts of Sweden aswell.
I think they should cut down on the immigration a bit and spread the immigrants out a bit, not put them all in one place.
If I would say this in public people would call me a racist even tho I have several friends (two of my best friends are from Iran and Russia), that's also something that is fucked up, the racist stamp on everyone who says stuff like I did here.
I think they should cut down on the immigration a bit and spread the immigrants out a bit, not put them all in one place.
If I would say this in public people would call me a racist even tho I have several friends (two of my best friends are from Iran and Russia), that's also something that is fucked up, the racist stamp on everyone who says stuff like I did here.
2012-03-23 23:52:21
Ah, statistics...You do the math, if 90% were unemployed and half of them without basic education how did they make a living in their home country before coming there? It's normal when you move to a country, you'll need to start learning the language, start "re-doing" many things, for example getting the driver-liscence (when you're from Mid-east etc). And the education in those countries, the scandis doesn't count that here, so it's like to start everything again.
2012-03-16 22:13:48
I know for a fact that Albanian immigrants in Switzerland get free health care and money aid for each child they have. That's why they make children like rabbits.
2012-03-17 01:20:26
Oh, but so do you, so what's the problem?
2012-03-17 01:23:54
They don't work, they are abusing the system? They don't value western lifestyle?
2012-03-17 01:25:34
Are you freakin' kiddin' me? Albanians in Switzerland works their ass off, lol man. When I'm in my homecountry they come there with all kind of cars that you can't dream about. I've got family there also, so don't gimme that BP, canadian.
2012-03-17 01:27:45
so they did in kosovo now its theirs. and yeah they come with nice cars but they didn't buy them they got it from rentAcar...
2012-03-17 03:09:18
so im from asutria......if you have no Idea about the word CREDIT...dont judge...
please tell me where do you live..............
I CAN JUDGE about Immigrants because my country is one of these countrys immigrants want to live in! thats a fact!!!!!
the thing i know that no austrian guy, no german guy, no french guy , no spain guy, no italian guy or any other country where christian is the main religion wants to change the country where they wanna live....
austria is very popular for turkish people, albanaian, croatian, and people from serbia....
do you think they respect OUR CULTURE IN ANY GIVEN WAY??????
NO and thats also a FACT...in austrian schools, it is aloud to where a turban if you are muslim.....is that aloud in turkey for example??? NO, its not!
Do the muslim countrys care about other religions and cultures??? NO, THEY DONT....
muslim country: Muslim Rules
major european countrys: doesnt matter what religion----> do whatever you want if you dont break the law
GET YOUR FUCKING FACTS STRAIGHT AND OPEN YOUR EYES WHATS HAPPENING NOT ONLY IN SWITZERLAND..and now i quote you:
When I'm in my homecountry they come there with all kind of cars that you can't dream about.
Tell me in which country they managed to earn the money for those cars or in which country they managed to get the credit 4 those cars....and you also forgot traditional presents as a muslim for example wedding: 300 people pay money as a present.....that would be pretty is for me to drive a car thats more expensive than 5 years the appartment where i live in.
So you think you are smart but the system in the major countrys of europe nowadays will not work forever, there will be changes and big changes...lets talk about that in 15 years and then i wanna see your mouth running
please tell me where do you live..............
I CAN JUDGE about Immigrants because my country is one of these countrys immigrants want to live in! thats a fact!!!!!
the thing i know that no austrian guy, no german guy, no french guy , no spain guy, no italian guy or any other country where christian is the main religion wants to change the country where they wanna live....
austria is very popular for turkish people, albanaian, croatian, and people from serbia....
do you think they respect OUR CULTURE IN ANY GIVEN WAY??????
NO and thats also a FACT...in austrian schools, it is aloud to where a turban if you are muslim.....is that aloud in turkey for example??? NO, its not!
Do the muslim countrys care about other religions and cultures??? NO, THEY DONT....
muslim country: Muslim Rules
major european countrys: doesnt matter what religion----> do whatever you want if you dont break the law
GET YOUR FUCKING FACTS STRAIGHT AND OPEN YOUR EYES WHATS HAPPENING NOT ONLY IN SWITZERLAND..and now i quote you:
When I'm in my homecountry they come there with all kind of cars that you can't dream about.
Tell me in which country they managed to earn the money for those cars or in which country they managed to get the credit 4 those cars....and you also forgot traditional presents as a muslim for example wedding: 300 people pay money as a present.....that would be pretty is for me to drive a car thats more expensive than 5 years the appartment where i live in.
So you think you are smart but the system in the major countrys of europe nowadays will not work forever, there will be changes and big changes...lets talk about that in 15 years and then i wanna see your mouth running
2012-03-17 07:41:33
I lived in Switzerland for about 5 years. He's pretty much right.
2012-03-17 14:34:11
As an exchange student or what? What language did you speak/learn there?
2012-03-18 12:57:06
I went to a British boarding school. Most of the teaching was in English obviously, but the school was in the French part. In the Alps!
2012-03-18 15:18:58
Did you manage to learn French by just living in a French-speaking zone and learning in English at school?
2012-03-18 16:14:48
lolz =)
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2012-03-19 12:53:20
not only albanian ;)
2012-03-19 12:54:46
You're talking about something totally irrelevant the whole thing is that people that emigrates to sweden the ones who gets a yes to live in the country is usually lazy and lives on money from the state and refuses to learn the language however there is those who tries to get in with the society and fits perfect that nobody complains but usually those are the ones that gets a no from the state
2012-03-17 09:29:07
if arabian emigrants stood in sweden we have no spawn now !
2012-03-16 22:16:21
spawn is not arab .. he is somalian immigrant
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2012-03-17 07:36:00
http://cdpresse.fr/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Ligu..
2012-03-17 13:41:48
I'm not sure but I think in germany are way more immigrants than in sweden:-)
germany is like a mix of every country :P
germany is like a mix of every country :P
2012-03-16 22:24:35
germany = easy to get visa :D
2012-03-16 22:26:17
I don't need visas to go somewhere zZz
2012-03-16 22:28:18
oh yea , u r WOLFENSTEIN
2012-03-16 22:30:47
I'm german :P
2012-03-16 22:42:36
LOL :D
2012-03-16 22:43:12
Compared to the overall population I think it's quite even.
2012-03-17 00:13:41
u know kreuzberg?
2012-03-17 08:01:35
is that true there is born nazism again because of immigrants?
ps: http://cs1375.vk.com/u5485064/44097114/x_c4711c04...
:D
ps: http://cs1375.vk.com/u5485064/44097114/x_c4711c04...
:D
2012-03-17 16:06:30
Not really. We ever had nazis in germany. E.g. there are way more nazis in russia than in germany. :P
2012-03-17 16:09:20
you and your TV probably know everything about Russia
there are very few nazis, but many nationalists
there are very few nazis, but many nationalists
2012-03-17 16:19:02
People usually fear the unknown (which is also helpful for others to spread false rumours as history has shown) or project their bad experience with individuals on the whole group (just like it happens even here on Hltv.org).
Whenever this type of things come up I remember this Ninja Scroll quote,
Wherever you go, the sky is the sky... and people are people.
A vast amount of knowledge in such few words.
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Whenever this type of things come up I remember this Ninja Scroll quote,
Wherever you go, the sky is the sky... and people are people.
A vast amount of knowledge in such few words.
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2012-03-16 22:32:54
ok , but what is proyect ? :p
2012-03-16 22:34:21
That might be true, but that doesnt meen there isnt a problem with immigration and segregation.
Cant just blow it all off as fear, ignorance or racism.
Cant just blow it all off as fear, ignorance or racism.
2012-03-16 23:52:57
I don't just blow it off but consider the usual roots, one of them being the fear of the unknown, besides ignorance or blatantly racism.
Immigration is just what people have been doing since ever, moving from here for "greener pastures" (both in the good and bad sense). And the segregation is the result of people not willing to mix with people they don't like (see possible reasons above) or the very own immigrants (even sharing the possible reasons above) feeling safer with people of their own.
Immigration is just what people have been doing since ever, moving from here for "greener pastures" (both in the good and bad sense). And the segregation is the result of people not willing to mix with people they don't like (see possible reasons above) or the very own immigrants (even sharing the possible reasons above) feeling safer with people of their own.
2012-03-17 00:04:21
Ofc its been happening since ever but u have to recognize that it is a rather diffrent sort of immigration with diffrent consequences than it was 150 years ago.
Well i certainly dont know very much about the segregation in a lot of other countries, but in sweden it at large due to the so called "million projects" were the gouvernment built very cheap housing to cope with the huge ammount of immigrants arriving.
In effect this created (creats) ghettos which ofc is not anything positiv for the ppl living there nor the rest of society.
So in essence i blame the gouvernment for a vry real "immigration-problem"
Well i certainly dont know very much about the segregation in a lot of other countries, but in sweden it at large due to the so called "million projects" were the gouvernment built very cheap housing to cope with the huge ammount of immigrants arriving.
In effect this created (creats) ghettos which ofc is not anything positiv for the ppl living there nor the rest of society.
So in essence i blame the gouvernment for a vry real "immigration-problem"
2012-03-17 03:26:29
Well the real problem is here, europe is in a crisis, and like in every other european crisis in history, they need to find a "culprit", someone for the politics and a certain part of the population to blame !
They're making it sound like immigration is new or like immigration magically increased drastically, creating fear within the population with TV "documentaries" only focusing on immigrants problems ( when i say that, for exemple here in france, before elections, it goes up to like +250%, from 5-6 "sensational" documentaries about immigrations,one can now see 25-30 of them ... )
Common pleas ( not talking about the court of the same name in U.K :p ) : "They have to many children, they're abusing the system, they dont work ..."
Those are typical patterns seen about the jews in france in the early 1900's and in germany before WW2 for example.
I think that the real key of this problem is "simply" by gettin out of the crisis and having a good economical situation.
I know that germany is the biggest immigration country in europe ( France is 2nd ) and seems to have less "problems" with immigrants than we do -> They have a better economical situation.
They're making it sound like immigration is new or like immigration magically increased drastically, creating fear within the population with TV "documentaries" only focusing on immigrants problems ( when i say that, for exemple here in france, before elections, it goes up to like +250%, from 5-6 "sensational" documentaries about immigrations,one can now see 25-30 of them ... )
Common pleas ( not talking about the court of the same name in U.K :p ) : "They have to many children, they're abusing the system, they dont work ..."
Those are typical patterns seen about the jews in france in the early 1900's and in germany before WW2 for example.
I think that the real key of this problem is "simply" by gettin out of the crisis and having a good economical situation.
I know that germany is the biggest immigration country in europe ( France is 2nd ) and seems to have less "problems" with immigrants than we do -> They have a better economical situation.
2012-03-17 09:22:31
Thank's sorrow, atz the smartest thing i've read on this topic...
I'm affraid to see so manyyyyyyyyyyyy brainless on HLTV.org
YES GUYS, you're right muslims in the world is the biggest pb, you're so clever !
I'm affraid to see so manyyyyyyyyyyyy brainless on HLTV.org
YES GUYS, you're right muslims in the world is the biggest pb, you're so clever !
2012-03-17 13:30:24
Bear in mind that goverments are still in essence politicians that need to win elections.
I agree that in times of crisis it is a real temptation to earn easy votes pointing the people to some culprit as you state.
It is sad to see that despite the past people still did not learn the lesson.
I agree that in times of crisis it is a real temptation to earn easy votes pointing the people to some culprit as you state.
It is sad to see that despite the past people still did not learn the lesson.
2012-03-17 21:48:19
if everyone would see this sentence:
Wherever you go, the sky is the sky... and people are people.
like you and i wanna see it..there would be no problem in the whole world but believers in some religions see other believers in an other religion as a proper threat in their own religion...thats the main problem in this world
i hope u understand what i want u to say because im not sure if this is proper english
Wherever you go, the sky is the sky... and people are people.
like you and i wanna see it..there would be no problem in the whole world but believers in some religions see other believers in an other religion as a proper threat in their own religion...thats the main problem in this world
i hope u understand what i want u to say because im not sure if this is proper english
2012-03-17 08:06:41
As the quote states people are people, both for better or worse.
2012-03-17 21:35:01
I don't wanna sound like if I were racist, but Spain is the target country for most of sudamerican and some african emigrants and most of them are not here for good ends.
Of course there are some of them that are decent and responsible people, but...
For example, a huge percentage of domestic violence is caused by arabians, or another one, in some areas of Madrid there are a bunch of african saying how to park your car, and if you don't give them money after, your car is in danger...
I imagine that the inmigrants in Sweden are much better than the ones we have in Spain, mostly for the economic status of both countrys xD.
Post edited 2012-03-16 22:35:49
Of course there are some of them that are decent and responsible people, but...
For example, a huge percentage of domestic violence is caused by arabians, or another one, in some areas of Madrid there are a bunch of african saying how to park your car, and if you don't give them money after, your car is in danger...
I imagine that the inmigrants in Sweden are much better than the ones we have in Spain, mostly for the economic status of both countrys xD.
Post edited 2012-03-16 22:35:49
2012-03-16 22:34:31
everything has its good and bad face ;)
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2012-03-16 22:39:23
it has nothing to do with them being african.
2012-03-16 22:50:33
Of course there are spanish people that makes worst things, but its a matter of % respect the total population.
2012-03-16 22:56:18
it has nothing to do with nationality.
it has everything to do with social status.
it has everything to do with social status.
2012-03-16 22:58:04
If I go to another country and I don't even know the language or culture, I will stick with the ones who share the same situation as me. So there is a relationship between social status and nationality. Not every time, of course.
Most of the inmigrants here don't have an education or are prepared to work. They come here because they're worse in their country (like spanish people did in the past). They don't have any resource so sometimes they do 'bad things' in order to get some money.
Most of the inmigrants here don't have an education or are prepared to work. They come here because they're worse in their country (like spanish people did in the past). They don't have any resource so sometimes they do 'bad things' in order to get some money.
2012-03-16 23:17:08
every country is not developed my friend , now if you see people prefer to work in UAE even if they don't know ARABIC ..
2012-03-16 23:20:42
crimes are done by the poor, those with no perspective for the future, and the underprivileged. that is often the case with immigrants, hated by other people.
An anecdote comes to my mind at this point: I once heard a bosnian that lives in slovenia say "why would i learn slovenian? no slovenian wants to talk to me anyway".
rarely it is the immigrants that build walls (methaphorically speaking) around their culture in some country. the citizens of that country do that. because they are 'aware of their national identity'.
Post edited 2012-03-16 23:23:14
An anecdote comes to my mind at this point: I once heard a bosnian that lives in slovenia say "why would i learn slovenian? no slovenian wants to talk to me anyway".
rarely it is the immigrants that build walls (methaphorically speaking) around their culture in some country. the citizens of that country do that. because they are 'aware of their national identity'.
Post edited 2012-03-16 23:23:14
2012-03-16 23:21:27
It's both sides. Immigrants not willing to adapt to the culture, learn the language, embrace the new country. And people from that particular country being told such stories and then not wanting those immigrants in their country.
That's a really broad picture... It varies from country to country and city to city. But let's just put it this way: in our school and neighbourhood nobody had any problem with the turkish or italian family willing to embrace our culture and speak our language. Rather we would share meals, introduce them to our country and customs etc.
That's a really broad picture... It varies from country to country and city to city. But let's just put it this way: in our school and neighbourhood nobody had any problem with the turkish or italian family willing to embrace our culture and speak our language. Rather we would share meals, introduce them to our country and customs etc.
2012-03-17 00:06:26
:) yeah... i dont have anything to add to what you said. i just wish peace to everyone
2012-03-17 00:10:10
In my opinion,if u wanna live in my country,there are few things that u have to do,first of all,respect my country,respect my country,(not mentioning religion,cuz there are many of ateistic ppl in Europe with me.) respect my language,and learn it ffs.
This is YOU who wanna live in my country,so why should I adapt for all the imigrants?Looks unfair for me as i'm natural citizen of my country and being well here.
And there are many mental difference between european/arabic/american citizens,I found that most of the european ppl,that changing one country to another (in term of Europe) are well educated and prepared,rdy to study and to contact.
If u've got European face,u wont have a big problems in europe,in canada or US,in argentina or brazil,even in South Korea and China,but u definetely will face some problems in radicall arabic coutry,and it's easily can be explained.We looks different,(even if we have 2 hands,2 legs and 1 head),we got different religion(what the f**k it has common with religion,it doesn't help us to survive)
Oh,I probably moven from the topic line,but,just awaring the ppl,if u're going in another country,respect it,respect ppl and culture,try to study the language,be manner and there wont be any "walls" between native citizens and immigrants,the problem inside us
Also wanna add,stop being toys in politics hands
P.S personally me,wanna live in Spain or Netherlands,and i'm sure i will feat the society in those coutries,and fo sho i will be respectful,i will study the language,not necessary to learn the culture or religion,cuz it's almost equal,so that's why i'm not scared to change my life in that way
This is YOU who wanna live in my country,so why should I adapt for all the imigrants?Looks unfair for me as i'm natural citizen of my country and being well here.
And there are many mental difference between european/arabic/american citizens,I found that most of the european ppl,that changing one country to another (in term of Europe) are well educated and prepared,rdy to study and to contact.
If u've got European face,u wont have a big problems in europe,in canada or US,in argentina or brazil,even in South Korea and China,but u definetely will face some problems in radicall arabic coutry,and it's easily can be explained.We looks different,(even if we have 2 hands,2 legs and 1 head),we got different religion(what the f**k it has common with religion,it doesn't help us to survive)
Oh,I probably moven from the topic line,but,just awaring the ppl,if u're going in another country,respect it,respect ppl and culture,try to study the language,be manner and there wont be any "walls" between native citizens and immigrants,the problem inside us
Also wanna add,stop being toys in politics hands
P.S personally me,wanna live in Spain or Netherlands,and i'm sure i will feat the society in those coutries,and fo sho i will be respectful,i will study the language,not necessary to learn the culture or religion,cuz it's almost equal,so that's why i'm not scared to change my life in that way
2012-03-20 12:27:35
I lived in Sweden for a year in Uppsala. There are a large population of middle eastern people in sweden, specifically malmo. One reason for the large neighborhoods of middle eastern people in malmo is that is the only place they can afford when they arrive and they are close to people from the same culture. I think the neighborhood is called Rosengård and its about 85% non-swede. The majority of swedes and non-swedes live in peace but there are a minority of racist people (see nysverigedemokraten a racist political party who has some power). Overall, excluding a few select places and people swedes really could care less.
2012-03-16 22:36:14
if 100 percent of immigrants would respect the laws and culture in the "new" country they wanna live in,then there would´nt be racists, there wouldn´t be problems and there wouldnt be haters´......
when im for vacation for example in croatia i cannot break the law and wouldn´t even think about it...maybe u heard the story about the austrian guy called Marco...he was in Jail for 9 months in turkey because a british girl said he had sex with her in a hotel...
if you wanna read that--> google: Marco, turkey, 9 months....
when im for vacation for example in croatia i cannot break the law and wouldn´t even think about it...maybe u heard the story about the austrian guy called Marco...he was in Jail for 9 months in turkey because a british girl said he had sex with her in a hotel...
if you wanna read that--> google: Marco, turkey, 9 months....
2012-03-17 08:17:28
/topic,agree with ya
btw #846
btw #846
2012-03-20 12:28:28
Here we go again...
2012-03-16 22:39:13
Hopefully not.
2012-03-16 22:40:31
+1 .. not until someone like borat shows up ;)
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2012-03-16 22:41:43
Muslims are like everywhere. :S
2012-03-16 22:45:24
is that a problem?
2012-03-17 12:33:06
I think so
2012-03-17 12:46:06
explain
2012-03-17 13:51:14
let me guess,maybe cuz muslims religion is too agressive?naturally not,Koran is more historical book,and there are many interesting and usefull things explained,the problem is,that most of arabic ppl don't clue what koran speaks for,they just being forced by mighty and unknown ppl.It's all about us,politics and stereotypes
2012-03-20 12:31:38
this is what they do to christians in muslim countries
http://www.flickr.com/photos/crusader009/701331178..
the crusaders will rise and kill them all!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/crusader009/701331178..
the crusaders will rise and kill them all!
2012-03-25 18:38:38
don't take it bad but i have 2 muslims frieds that are more better persons than some russians i know.
2012-03-18 20:02:52
Well, the most germans I met (mostly internet) was kinda agressive. Still I know that it's not your national characterstic. Rules always have its exceptions.
2012-03-18 22:22:28
I would lie if I said muslims weren't a problem in Sweden. Using the term muslim is kind of wrong though, since it doesn't include every muslim nor is the problem only muslims, if you catch my drift.
The problem is that our government never directed this question before and so when people become more aware of the problems immigration cause we've seen a rise of anti-immigrant parties. SD or "Sverigedemokraterna" as they are called aren't really racist, but they've started adressing the subject and the truth behind those problems. They got 5-30% of votes depending on city and part of the country.
It's not because we're racist or anything like that, it's because something needs to be done. I don't know what, but something.
Sweden is a great place to live and usually welcome anyone to stay here. It's very friendly and nice but it costs us ridiclous amount of money.
Limitations and integration would be a start I guess. Some wants to build mosques and stuff like that, and many Swedes aren't even religous. It clashes and sometimes you ask yourself; Would I be allowed to build a church in a muslim-majority country? HELL NO.
EDIT: If this comment seem racist, I'm not. Some stuff are just facts... for example:
"Allochthonous people are overrepresented in Sweden's crime statistics. During the period 1997–2001, 25% of the almost 1,520,000 offences were committed by people born overseas, while almost 20% were committed by people with a foreign background who were born in Sweden. Those from North Africa and the Middle East were overrepresented.[3]"
Post edited 2012-03-16 22:48:59
The problem is that our government never directed this question before and so when people become more aware of the problems immigration cause we've seen a rise of anti-immigrant parties. SD or "Sverigedemokraterna" as they are called aren't really racist, but they've started adressing the subject and the truth behind those problems. They got 5-30% of votes depending on city and part of the country.
It's not because we're racist or anything like that, it's because something needs to be done. I don't know what, but something.
Sweden is a great place to live and usually welcome anyone to stay here. It's very friendly and nice but it costs us ridiclous amount of money.
Limitations and integration would be a start I guess. Some wants to build mosques and stuff like that, and many Swedes aren't even religous. It clashes and sometimes you ask yourself; Would I be allowed to build a church in a muslim-majority country? HELL NO.
EDIT: If this comment seem racist, I'm not. Some stuff are just facts... for example:
"Allochthonous people are overrepresented in Sweden's crime statistics. During the period 1997–2001, 25% of the almost 1,520,000 offences were committed by people born overseas, while almost 20% were committed by people with a foreign background who were born in Sweden. Those from North Africa and the Middle East were overrepresented.[3]"
Post edited 2012-03-16 22:48:59
2012-03-16 22:46:27
we have church in our country , and also HINDU's , they have there places we have ours , if someone goes/live there lives with non-muslims no-one has a problem ..
P.S : Sweden is really nice country , i honestly like it ..
P.S : Sweden is really nice country , i honestly like it ..
2012-03-16 22:51:56
so you think in arabic countrys there is a possibility, when i wanna live there to build a christian church?? :D they would prolly kill me srsly
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2012-03-17 08:20:11
Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Jordan, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain all have Christians amongst the population who can practice their religion freely. The whole Arab world isn't like Saudi Arabia. You're clearly quite ignorant. Either that or a troll :P
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2012-03-17 09:09:51
Its possible, muslims governments often respect others religions
For example, in algeria, in the city centre, there is Notre Dame d'Afrique, and you know what is written inside ?
"its symbolic and religious importance can be summed up by the inscription on the apse: Notre Dame d'Afrique priez pour nous et pour les Musulmans ("Our Lady of Africa, pray for us and for the Muslims")."
Also, algerian gouvernment spent nearly 1millions€ to renove it
For example, in algeria, in the city centre, there is Notre Dame d'Afrique, and you know what is written inside ?
"its symbolic and religious importance can be summed up by the inscription on the apse: Notre Dame d'Afrique priez pour nous et pour les Musulmans ("Our Lady of Africa, pray for us and for the Muslims")."
Also, algerian gouvernment spent nearly 1millions€ to renove it
2012-03-17 09:32:38
as you said its possible but there are countrys where its not possible
2012-03-17 09:35:33
You will change your version everywhere, but what you didnt said is that there is a difference beetwen muslim country in core and country CONSIDERED christian, cause most of the europeans country arent religious by their constitutions !
We have a jew hungarian president in france and its not like we're crying...
We have a jew hungarian president in france and its not like we're crying...
2012-03-17 09:54:05
the problem with mosque is not the same as church... u have to know that church doesnt "broadcast" their praying sessions to nearby resident area with those loud speakers like mosque. Not trying to be racist but it just happened everyday in my life and its very annoying(imagine u have to listen to those prayers on 6am and 9pm daily when ure not muslim). Claim to be a tolerant religious but somehow never care for others and quite paranoid as well.
2012-03-17 11:57:17
http://www.economist.com/node/21526919
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectarian_violence_in..
I sure as shit would call that a problem - as would any remotely reasonable person.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectarian_violence_in..
I sure as shit would call that a problem - as would any remotely reasonable person.
2012-03-17 14:37:53
this is what they do to christians in muslim countries
http://www.flickr.com/photos/crusader009/701331178..
the crusaders will rise and kill them all!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/crusader009/701331178..
the crusaders will rise and kill them all!
2012-03-25 18:40:01
people commit crimes when theyre poor, without perspective for the future and underprivileged.
2012-03-16 22:54:50
We have the same problem in belgium. Here in Brussels the amount of immigrants is 67%, most of them Marrocan. The amount of nationalities is 147 :sss. In some "sub"-villages the amount is 95% :( And like you say, some of them cause a lot of problems ... I'm not racist or something, but it's always the same people who are making the crime ...
2012-03-16 23:01:42
Hahha Milsoneke! you're so damn right.. Unfortunately Belgium has a real issue with immigration..(so does France) And there are some places here in Brussels where we just can't go to..(even during daylight) It would be too risky...
Fortunately, there are still some good places.. Elsene, woluwe, ukkel etc :)
"always same people"... yeah =/ I wonder why.....(no, I know actually ;))
Fortunately, there are still some good places.. Elsene, woluwe, ukkel etc :)
"always same people"... yeah =/ I wonder why.....(no, I know actually ;))
2012-03-16 23:20:18
The problem is you offer them a gift from heaven and comfort luxury and peace and nice country to live in, and opporutnity to intergrate.'
The problem: They take all you give, but still they dont want to integrate, they want to have their own subculture, to retain their own clique group. this creates conflict and is a result of lack of gratitude by immigrants imo
The problem: They take all you give, but still they dont want to integrate, they want to have their own subculture, to retain their own clique group. this creates conflict and is a result of lack of gratitude by immigrants imo
2012-03-16 23:26:03
Dafuq ? In morocco there are alot of Churches, at least 2 or 3 in each city, and that's a muslim country...Most of you guys have some wrong facts O_o
2012-03-16 23:43:23
you might be right in what you're saying, I'm not telling it's not true, but look at this.. 2 or 3 ? .. Are you kidding ? In a city like brussels, who hosts a bit more than 1,000 000 people, there are 77 mosques... for a total of 328 in the whole country, which hosts 11 million people...
I mean, 2 or 3, or nothing, that's the same to me, comparing to a country who's considered catholic........
I mean, 2 or 3, or nothing, that's the same to me, comparing to a country who's considered catholic........
2012-03-17 00:18:51
I was just making a point. In some muslim countries it would be punishable to go against islamic teaching. My point is that you have to adapt to any place you go. People are different, I believe it's ignorant not to.
2012-03-17 16:11:31
if you are a non-muslim you are free to do whatever you can , but if you are muslim and go against islamic teaching you will be punish ..
2012-03-17 16:16:23
but a muslim can't become a non-muslim even if he personaly wants to despite the family/goverment/society factor? am i right?
2012-03-18 13:40:44
an apostate of islam will be beheaded just like this girl
http://www.flickr.com/photos/crusader009/686713550..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/crusader009/686713550..
2012-03-25 18:35:22
Let me debate with you:
First off, I'd like to open the debate with a statement.
None of the pro-Islamic groups nor any mosque in Sweden were paid by the Swedish state.
And your wrong about Sverigedemokraterna, they don't have that huge support. They can't even be a decider in motions at the Swedish riksdagen. (None of the parties in Sweden is willing to negoiate nor interact with Sverigedemokraterna)
And that number you just gave regarding criminal statistics. Let me be clear your wrong again, because there's an estimated number of unknown cases.
You are incorrect, thanks and don't reply because I've closed all of your topics regarding criminality, religious belief, and how "strong" Sverigedemokraterna is.
First off, I'd like to open the debate with a statement.
None of the pro-Islamic groups nor any mosque in Sweden were paid by the Swedish state.
And your wrong about Sverigedemokraterna, they don't have that huge support. They can't even be a decider in motions at the Swedish riksdagen. (None of the parties in Sweden is willing to negoiate nor interact with Sverigedemokraterna)
And that number you just gave regarding criminal statistics. Let me be clear your wrong again, because there's an estimated number of unknown cases.
You are incorrect, thanks and don't reply because I've closed all of your topics regarding criminality, religious belief, and how "strong" Sverigedemokraterna is.
2012-03-17 06:30:38
"Let me debate with you:"
"thanks and don't reply"
You make me laugh, thanks. SD got into the government and yes, they are mostly ignored. But mostly isn't always.
Where did I write that any pro-islamic groups or mosques get paid? NOWHERE, YEAH.
Immigrants, however, get funding/allowance/subsidy or whatever you want to call it. This cost us money and this is a pure fact. Again, this does not involve every immigrant.
In some smaller towns SD had up to 40% of the total votes. Most likely because problems are bigger there. Some parts of Skåne for example.
And like every other redheaded Swede, you refuse to post any type of facts or source. Saying "you're wrong" isn't proof.
Oh, and here you go by the way.
Best regards, The Uneducated Boy
http://www.val.se/val/val2010/slutresultat/R/rike/..
"thanks and don't reply"
You make me laugh, thanks. SD got into the government and yes, they are mostly ignored. But mostly isn't always.
Where did I write that any pro-islamic groups or mosques get paid? NOWHERE, YEAH.
Immigrants, however, get funding/allowance/subsidy or whatever you want to call it. This cost us money and this is a pure fact. Again, this does not involve every immigrant.
In some smaller towns SD had up to 40% of the total votes. Most likely because problems are bigger there. Some parts of Skåne for example.
And like every other redheaded Swede, you refuse to post any type of facts or source. Saying "you're wrong" isn't proof.
Oh, and here you go by the way.
Best regards, The Uneducated Boy
http://www.val.se/val/val2010/slutresultat/R/rike/..
2012-03-17 16:06:44
its good swedish don't fund terrorists hidden inside mosques
http://www.flickr.com/photos/crusader009/686713517..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/crusader009/686713517..
2012-03-25 18:41:51
How retarded are you to even say Muslims were a problem? They're immigrants in general you uneducated boy. Clearly all of what you said is wrong and a lie, proven by Wmbz down there in the replies. However, as for the "church in a muslim-majority country", Christians make up about 30% give or take of Jordan, we have churches, loads of churches and mosques.
I mean seriously, how does Sweden allow people like you to walk free? Do you even go to school? You sound like those hippies you see on youtube.
Post edited 2012-03-17 09:04:04
I mean seriously, how does Sweden allow people like you to walk free? Do you even go to school? You sound like those hippies you see on youtube.
Post edited 2012-03-17 09:04:04
2012-03-17 09:03:21
Read again.
"I would lie if I said muslims weren't a problem in Sweden. Using the term muslim is kind of wrong though, since it doesn't include every muslim nor is the problem only muslims, if you catch my drift."
Use google translate if you don't understand. Have you ever been to Sweden? And in what do Wmbz prove me wrong?
"I mean seriously, how does Sweden allow people like you to walk free? Do you even go to school? You sound like those hippies you see on youtube."
Sweden is a free country. I've probably more time in School than you. I'm not saying all muslim countries forbid churchs, it was just a point. With the point being that you have you adapt, wherever you go. Cultures and people are differnt.
Again you just asume things you know nothing about.
"I would lie if I said muslims weren't a problem in Sweden. Using the term muslim is kind of wrong though, since it doesn't include every muslim nor is the problem only muslims, if you catch my drift."
Use google translate if you don't understand. Have you ever been to Sweden? And in what do Wmbz prove me wrong?
"I mean seriously, how does Sweden allow people like you to walk free? Do you even go to school? You sound like those hippies you see on youtube."
Sweden is a free country. I've probably more time in School than you. I'm not saying all muslim countries forbid churchs, it was just a point. With the point being that you have you adapt, wherever you go. Cultures and people are differnt.
Again you just asume things you know nothing about.
2012-03-17 16:09:57
In what? In everything you have mentioned. It seems to me that you are the one who can't read. What does it matter if I have ever been to Sweden? I'm still waiting for my answer, adapt to what? What does your culture have that is different than mine that I need to adapt to if I go there?
That shit you see on the news is all bull shit. If you had school time you should know we don't live in tents and on and on. Explain your case, adapt to what?
Blabering about shit just to feel like you belong somewhere is utterly sad.
You should report that school you went to, they taught you bad mate.
That shit you see on the news is all bull shit. If you had school time you should know we don't live in tents and on and on. Explain your case, adapt to what?
Blabering about shit just to feel like you belong somewhere is utterly sad.
You should report that school you went to, they taught you bad mate.
2012-03-17 16:20:27
live in tents? what are you talking about? have you even been outside your own country?
Religion and geography make different kind of people. If you think everyone has the same values and beliefs I'm not even going to bother to answer you again.
I expect people who immigrate to learn Swedish, accept our ways of dealing with stuff and follow our laws.
Religion and geography make different kind of people. If you think everyone has the same values and beliefs I'm not even going to bother to answer you again.
I expect people who immigrate to learn Swedish, accept our ways of dealing with stuff and follow our laws.
2012-03-17 16:47:22
christian's fate in a muslim country
http://www.flickr.com/photos/crusader009/701331178..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/crusader009/701331178..
2012-03-25 18:52:33
Do u want this limitations to affect all the imigrants?Or maybe some exceptions maybe be involved?Just wanna know ur opinion.
2012-03-20 12:36:24
So many muslims, really sad for Sweden. I feel them :/
2012-03-16 22:48:09
One day , majority of people will be muslims cuz demographics are changing rapidly .. and yeah I'm a muslim too
2012-03-16 22:50:14
sad for minority of people
2012-03-16 22:51:48
why ?
2012-03-16 22:54:58
because he's racist.
2012-03-16 22:58:24
Look at muslim countrys and you'll see
2012-03-16 22:58:30
lol what an argument ... i ain't even gonna discuss with u .. take care
2012-03-16 22:59:47
You should indeed expand your statement instead of asking others to do it for you.
2012-03-16 23:01:47
He said he is not going to discuss with me. Maybe he knows what I'm gonna talk about. We all know what's muslims' problem.
We already saw it in "Palestine" thread - Spamming, hate messages, abuse and etc. We also saw how Khaddafi was killed by wild muslims.
We already saw it in "Palestine" thread - Spamming, hate messages, abuse and etc. We also saw how Khaddafi was killed by wild muslims.
2012-03-16 23:07:26
And it just 0.0001% of all I know about muslims.
I'm not sayin all muslims are terrorists or anything like that. I have very respectful muslim friends
I'm not sayin all muslims are terrorists or anything like that. I have very respectful muslim friends
2012-03-16 23:11:45
Would you consider to discuss with someone with the argument (and calling it a 'argument' is quite generous) you gave as a reply? I honestly doubt it.
What is the muslims' problem you refer to?
Unfortunately discussions related to 'Palestine' include also a political aspect and not necessarily a religious only one.
Why do you stress that Khaddafi was killed by wild muslims? He was killed by his own people. You see, I don't even need to refer to their religion to talk about it.
What is the muslims' problem you refer to?
Unfortunately discussions related to 'Palestine' include also a political aspect and not necessarily a religious only one.
Why do you stress that Khaddafi was killed by wild muslims? He was killed by his own people. You see, I don't even need to refer to their religion to talk about it.
2012-03-16 23:14:10
I refer to their religion. Is it really hard to notice?
Koran is racist by itself.
"O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people." (5:51)
"And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers." (3:85)
Muslims "God" is racist. And what we can expect from muslims?
Koran is racist by itself.
"O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people." (5:51)
"And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers." (3:85)
Muslims "God" is racist. And what we can expect from muslims?
2012-03-16 23:28:01
If you want to discuss on religion, there is already a thread on that.
This thread is not about religion but muslims in Sweden, which I understand as inmigrants in Sweden. If you can't stick to the topic, avoid posting. Thank you.
This thread is not about religion but muslims in Sweden, which I understand as inmigrants in Sweden. If you can't stick to the topic, avoid posting. Thank you.
2012-03-16 23:35:45
the word "muslim" made this thread to a thread about religion(s).. looks like u missed that..
thread is not "immigrants in sweden"--> thread is " muslim immigrants in sweden"
If you don´t realize the topic, avoid posting. Thank you.
im sorry and i know that im not in the position to "judge" you as an HLTV admin, i just half quoted a sentence of you, i dont want to offend you, if im wrong reply to that post and proof me wrong and i will say sorry in an appropriate way for this words-->avoid posting
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thread is not "immigrants in sweden"--> thread is " muslim immigrants in sweden"
If you don´t realize the topic, avoid posting. Thank you.
im sorry and i know that im not in the position to "judge" you as an HLTV admin, i just half quoted a sentence of you, i dont want to offend you, if im wrong reply to that post and proof me wrong and i will say sorry in an appropriate way for this words-->avoid posting
Post edited 2012-03-17 08:44:16
2012-03-17 08:40:15
God cant be racist but in the other hand people who write books can be racist
2012-03-16 23:35:51
Well said by deist. I respect your opinion.
But these people can't understand there is no connection between religion and God
But these people can't understand there is no connection between religion and God
2012-03-16 23:38:38
The Koran says about it: "He has prescribed for you in matters of religion, that he has commanded to Noah, which We have revealed to you, and that We ordained for Abraham, Moses and Jesus : practice religion and do not make a divisive issue "Quran, Surah Al-Shura, v.13.
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2012-03-17 01:18:55
ahahahahaha dude oke if you are dumb, that's from God, but don't be a lier
2012-03-17 18:56:48
LoL what dafuq islam has been annouced to tolerance with other religions
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2012-03-18 15:54:28
Announced? Its organisation or what? Announces some news :)
Its religion, written in the Koran.
I copied those from Koran, its reality that you don't want to accept
Its religion, written in the Koran.
I copied those from Koran, its reality that you don't want to accept
2012-03-18 16:25:06
just like on bible and other holy books it says who doesent follow islam will go to hell. I dont see any racism here
2012-03-24 08:35:42
the media is f**king with your mind
-well said by someone
-well said by someone
2012-03-17 00:35:20
Media? Do you really think I'm watching TV, reading newspapers and "poor" news services?
I just watch musli people in our country and I understand why people here got insulted by muslims
I just watch musli people in our country and I understand why people here got insulted by muslims
2012-03-17 00:39:16
i think now is a good chance for the admins to act accordingly with http://www.hltv.org/blog/5032-recent-trolling-and-.. :P
2012-03-16 23:14:05
Why should, at least in my case, discussing on this be considered trolling/abuse?
People are stating their opinions, agreeing or not with them. As long as they do it with respect I see no problem in it.
People are stating their opinions, agreeing or not with them. As long as they do it with respect I see no problem in it.
2012-03-16 23:19:19
just read through the posts, you're a smart guy...
2012-03-17 00:04:38
+1
2012-03-18 11:30:50
I don't see your point, be muslim is all about demographic ?
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2012-03-19 12:59:38
Could you give me this Documentary plz? :D
2012-03-16 22:52:35
I'm merely impressed over a player of your rang to be found in a topic like this.
And that your also intrested in discriminating documentaries made by right-winged retards is for my eyes now poison...
Don't even pay attention this so-called documentary because none of the content in it is correct (I haven't seen it but I can counter the documentary by actual figures from the Riksdagen).
And that your also intrested in discriminating documentaries made by right-winged retards is for my eyes now poison...
Don't even pay attention this so-called documentary because none of the content in it is correct (I haven't seen it but I can counter the documentary by actual figures from the Riksdagen).
2012-03-17 06:55:02
this is not only a swedish problem. it is a problem in whole europe. our immigration rules are not strict enough and the muslim community is unable to adapt to european culture and lifestyle. they should appreciate the favor europe is doing for them by letting them work and live here. yet they can't even learn the language of country they emigrated to neither accept its culture and traditions (to some extent , of course; I'm not talking about assimilation) . Citizenship and benefits should only be granted to those who can contribute to country's economy, and not those who parasite on it's legislation.
2012-03-16 22:55:29
+1
2012-03-16 23:00:30
Agreed
2012-03-16 23:09:58
+1
2012-03-16 23:12:59
Hell yeah.
2012-03-16 23:44:52
I don't get it how you can say "Muslims"? Have you asked every immigrant you've seen if he's a Muslims or a Christian or an atheist and made a statistic about it? Do you continuously live in an ignorance bubble? Have you made a statistic about whether or not all of them learn the language or not? Because as far I'm concerned even a 5 year old boy would catch on the language if he lives in a specific country for a specific period of time, so you either have met people who haven't caught on the language yet, or new people in the country.
Either way, you are a serious ignorant person. I would seriously consider some books to read.
What culture and traditions are you talking about? Prove your worthy "statement".
Either way, you are a serious ignorant person. I would seriously consider some books to read.
What culture and traditions are you talking about? Prove your worthy "statement".
2012-03-17 09:12:14
+1
2012-03-17 20:11:02
sad but mostly true.
2012-03-17 12:39:31
what ? To be happy to live in other country, lol! What I'm muslim and i should be happy if i live in Slovakia? Omg!
2012-03-17 19:23:15
+1
2012-03-17 21:21:31
I agree.
2012-03-22 13:52:40
Let statistics and trend analysis speak for it self:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU&fea..
But many people cannot see this, even with evidence. They deny it until it's happening in front of their eyes and too late to do anything about it.
And to answer the thread creator, yes it's true what you've heard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU&fea..
But many people cannot see this, even with evidence. They deny it until it's happening in front of their eyes and too late to do anything about it.
And to answer the thread creator, yes it's true what you've heard
2012-03-16 22:57:45
That's really sad. :[
2012-03-16 23:09:50
What a piece of shit video to be honest =)
2012-03-16 23:23:29
What exactly is "shit" in this video?
2012-03-16 23:33:48
First of all. Numbers shows that immigrants (at least in DK) are doing very well, and have started to educate themselves. The consequence of the low fertility rate in Scandinavia is that we end up having a lot of elders as the majority of our population.. What we do need is exactly immigrants (Arabs, Turks, Pakistanis etc..) to fill out this space, so we can keep our society as it is today.
Regarding Muslims in Scandinavia, their fertility rate is also decreasing because of the focus on education, so it is just a propaganda movie, trying to spread fear among us....
And why does people think Islam is such a bad religion....?
Regarding Muslims in Scandinavia, their fertility rate is also decreasing because of the focus on education, so it is just a propaganda movie, trying to spread fear among us....
And why does people think Islam is such a bad religion....?
2012-03-16 23:42:04
Because of the media..
2012-03-16 23:48:40
So check the history, Ottoman Empire(Now Turkey). Christians,muslims.. everybody lived in peace because of a islamic empire for 600 years. Is there any empire who lived like this?
2012-03-17 08:53:37
+1
2012-03-17 15:41:49
lived in peace? that teach you in your schools?
2012-03-18 01:54:10
no i learned from all countries's records.
2012-03-18 08:35:31
People lived peacefully cause if they rised their head,it was chopped of in a moment.If they lived in peace as you claim why enslaved nations rised up?.
2012-03-18 08:59:22
there were no enslaved nations. So how there are still many nations are still living? There were always a church next to the a mosque in this empire. people were exciting when Ottoman was taking somewhere. Because ottoman empire was bringing fair and peace. recently it was found in UK's records that padishah helped the armenians when they were migrating.
In last years of ottoman, some people got the government(actually they were jewishs, their name was just turk's names) Also padishah had no authority on the government. then felt down.
Post edited 2012-03-18 10:00:29
In last years of ottoman, some people got the government(actually they were jewishs, their name was just turk's names) Also padishah had no authority on the government. then felt down.
Post edited 2012-03-18 10:00:29
2012-03-18 09:55:23
Ottoman empire just as every other empire was created by killings,survived by killings and fell by killings. I wont speak about other nations Ill speak for mine. During Ottoman occupation every Turk could humiliate,kill , beat every Greek christian he wanted without punishment. 90% of Greek Orthodox saints are christians that had tortured and killed with hormendus way by Ottomans. Nations survived because Ottomans failed to absorb them with mass islamizations or wipe out them from the map,just as they tried to do with Pontian Greeks,Armenians and Assyrians when Empire collapsed. And here comes the famous quote of Kemal "at last we unrooted them" .
2012-03-19 02:14:45
i don't wanna say anything to you. can you see many nations if turks used to kill? It's normal killing in war. And the last padishah send to Kemal to cover turkey. UK has records about it.
Anyway, all you can making is nonsense.
Anyway, all you can making is nonsense.
2012-03-19 15:00:58
Sorry to burst your 'Ottoman empire was a place of peace and properity where every religions was respected' bubble, but its so far from truth its sick someone has been taught that! Do they really teach you everyone lived in peace for 600 years? Do they not teach you turks tried to reach Vienna several times and to reach Vienna you had to go trough the whole Balkan Peninsula, which was pillaged and abused for 600 years by your "peaceful" empire! That means Greeks, Macedonians, Serbs, Croatians, Bosnians(who you partialy converted to islam), Slovenians, Bulgarians,.. A really peaceful place this Ottoman Empire, if you believe in stupid fairy tales. I suggest you check facts before you piss people of with idiotic stories of a peaceful empire!
If you'll ever visit Slovenia we have many hills and even places named in memory of Turkish occupation attempts..
If you'll ever visit Slovenia we have many hills and even places named in memory of Turkish occupation attempts..
2012-03-23 19:36:32
it looks thats what they teached in schools. check the other countries' records you moron.
2012-03-23 19:52:36
stop posting shit u are talking 100 % bullshit and wrong facts u ignorant idiot! stop saying what your socalled teachers say. Research the truth und u will learn the facts.
But actually with 17 years im sure u are not old enough to accept what was really happening :) so go on and defend whatever u want. now i quote u:moron
But actually with 17 years im sure u are not old enough to accept what was really happening :) so go on and defend whatever u want. now i quote u:moron
2012-03-26 02:41:33
But the bottom line of this video is still true. The fertility rate plus immigration will make Muslims a majority in Europe sooner or later. That is facts and very interesting to reflect on. Whether it's good or bad is for you to decide.
You talk about positive immigration, people that contribute to the country they migrate to. I don't think many people disagrees that's a good thing. They will integrate and become a part of the society - not a problem at all!
But that's not the case in for example Sweden. The vast majority here enters with no education, no ability or will to integrate and contribute economically. And that causes many big problems - both socially and economically.
You talk about positive immigration, people that contribute to the country they migrate to. I don't think many people disagrees that's a good thing. They will integrate and become a part of the society - not a problem at all!
But that's not the case in for example Sweden. The vast majority here enters with no education, no ability or will to integrate and contribute economically. And that causes many big problems - both socially and economically.
2012-03-17 00:33:09
If that is the case, then it is in my opinion your integration which has failed. In my opionion it is a question about being open minded. We have immigrants coming from countries where war is the daily life. They come up here and all they read in the newspaper i how bad they are. They apply jobs, but because it says Mohammed on the application, the chance of getting hired is minimal. People don't wanna live, play, work or socialize with them... No wonder some of them are having a hard time settling.
That video you posted is what I believe something that inspires people like Anders Breivik to do these crazy things..
We should be happy about how lucky we are to live up here, and welcome as many as people as possible to this wonderful part of the World. And the people who are struggling to settle down, we help instead!
http://vimeo.com/4234643
This video is about a young Australian who converted to Islam, but before thought Terrorism and Islam went hand in hand, as many of the people in here clearly thinks..
That video you posted is what I believe something that inspires people like Anders Breivik to do these crazy things..
We should be happy about how lucky we are to live up here, and welcome as many as people as possible to this wonderful part of the World. And the people who are struggling to settle down, we help instead!
http://vimeo.com/4234643
This video is about a young Australian who converted to Islam, but before thought Terrorism and Islam went hand in hand, as many of the people in here clearly thinks..
2012-03-17 01:29:50
That video wasn't the best example I've seen zonic. Kinda surprized that you of all goes for that non-sense.
My question to you Zonic, do you see this topic as a topic regarding traditions and value or a religious topic?
Because traditions aren't the same thing as a belief. I can understand your way of thinking - however it fuels the enemy more than iresolving a situation to the colission between the Islamic way of living and the western civilisation.
There'll always be a WE and THEM, as in a muslim and a non-muslim. But tolerance and respect is the key to this pity endless argument that fuels people with ignorance and hatred at both sides.
Living side by side happily after is more preferable in my opinion, but crossing over a certain line makes me sad.
Post edited 2012-03-17 07:03:43
My question to you Zonic, do you see this topic as a topic regarding traditions and value or a religious topic?
Because traditions aren't the same thing as a belief. I can understand your way of thinking - however it fuels the enemy more than iresolving a situation to the colission between the Islamic way of living and the western civilisation.
There'll always be a WE and THEM, as in a muslim and a non-muslim. But tolerance and respect is the key to this pity endless argument that fuels people with ignorance and hatred at both sides.
Living side by side happily after is more preferable in my opinion, but crossing over a certain line makes me sad.
Post edited 2012-03-17 07:03:43
2012-03-17 07:02:54
That video was the perfect example for this topic. In few words- he thought muslims were terrorists and prolly was threatened, but l8r came to understand more of it 'cause of interest, not 'cause of "what-the-news-says". Btw, who's crossing this so called "line" that makes you sad?
2012-03-17 08:14:32
That he uses a video which has its faults (clearly).
The thought about religious extremists are none other than missinterpetation in some lines that could be understood in different ways depending the person you ask.
I've understood a pattern, that pattern is; if someone sees a religion as a threat to its own heritage/culture/life, then it's a person who've had bad experiences in life with a person who've little knowledge.
That's what I'm trying to say, ignorance and missunderstanding is a state of mind far more dangerous, because it can expand to changing someones mindset. (I can say that ignorance is more dangerous than global warming)
Post edited 2012-03-17 08:30:06
The thought about religious extremists are none other than missinterpetation in some lines that could be understood in different ways depending the person you ask.
I've understood a pattern, that pattern is; if someone sees a religion as a threat to its own heritage/culture/life, then it's a person who've had bad experiences in life with a person who've little knowledge.
That's what I'm trying to say, ignorance and missunderstanding is a state of mind far more dangerous, because it can expand to changing someones mindset. (I can say that ignorance is more dangerous than global warming)
Post edited 2012-03-17 08:30:06
2012-03-17 08:24:54
Yeah but that's the thing the topic-maker is trying to view. In simplier words he means like "Omg there's so many muslims in Sweden, how are the Sweds tackling it?". That just shows that they view muslims as some kind of aliens.
But anyways. No idea if we're argueing, it seem like we wish for the same thing and we see the aspect of things the same. A human possesed by ignorance and/or greed is surely dangerous.
But anyways. No idea if we're argueing, it seem like we wish for the same thing and we see the aspect of things the same. A human possesed by ignorance and/or greed is surely dangerous.
2012-03-17 08:29:30
I believe I see the big picture here. You ask me if it is tradition and value or a religious topic... I think its both to be honest. People who "hates" Muslims or think they should go back or whatever doesn't only dislikes their religion, but also their values and traditions...
One part in that video is EXTREMELY relevant, and that is where he talks about the first time he enters a mosque, and when his friend asks him about becoming as Muslim, where he says "Hell no?? Terrorists???" --> My point by showing this video is to lighten up the misunderstanding between Islam and Terrorism...
Terrorists or suicide bombers misunderstands the quran in order to procede holy war... It has nothing to do with Islam...
One part in that video is EXTREMELY relevant, and that is where he talks about the first time he enters a mosque, and when his friend asks him about becoming as Muslim, where he says "Hell no?? Terrorists???" --> My point by showing this video is to lighten up the misunderstanding between Islam and Terrorism...
Terrorists or suicide bombers misunderstands the quran in order to procede holy war... It has nothing to do with Islam...
2012-03-17 13:50:30
true , they teach them wrong meaning of JIHAD(HOLY WAR) terrorist are brain washed by extremist , they keep them in a black room for a year or so , do torcher , tell them stupid thing they will go to heaven and blah blah also some people do these thing to get revenge from american's , they are not even Muslims to be honest .
2012-03-17 14:04:37
Loved what you said brother :) If only they understood !!
2012-03-17 19:14:19
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/101437..
People don't wanna play with eachother on their home soil as well? That's why they rape eahcother, and blow eachother up, because shia hates suni
People don't wanna play with eachother on their home soil as well? That's why they rape eahcother, and blow eachother up, because shia hates suni
2012-03-17 08:44:52
Ignorant comment yet again. Read the post!
There has never been any major secterian violence between sunnis and shiias in general. Some of the values in the Shiia way of living is still sunni values.
If your going to refer to the secterian post civil war during 2005-2007 in Iraq, then I can tell you that it's more of a clan war. Between sunni groups and shiiats groups fighting for terrain and political power.
And that was sparked due to Al-Sadrs forces attacking sunni strongholds, trying to overrun the sunni as folks.
That feud accordingly to the Guardian post, is all about personal dispute. Hatred amongst people involved in a conflict that accordingly is an obscene topic.
There has never been any major secterian violence between sunnis and shiias in general. Some of the values in the Shiia way of living is still sunni values.
If your going to refer to the secterian post civil war during 2005-2007 in Iraq, then I can tell you that it's more of a clan war. Between sunni groups and shiiats groups fighting for terrain and political power.
And that was sparked due to Al-Sadrs forces attacking sunni strongholds, trying to overrun the sunni as folks.
That feud accordingly to the Guardian post, is all about personal dispute. Hatred amongst people involved in a conflict that accordingly is an obscene topic.
2012-03-17 08:57:33
Another ignorant immigrant yet again! Get the facts straight!
There always been a major violence between them, there was one period of relative peace only in the 20th century.
I'm talking about endless terror acts in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Nigeria, Iraq, Russia etc.
I'm talking about human rights violations in the muslim-majority countries.
That Guardian post simly shows how you can get away with a rape in a muslim country.
Religion is cancer.
There always been a major violence between them, there was one period of relative peace only in the 20th century.
I'm talking about endless terror acts in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Nigeria, Iraq, Russia etc.
I'm talking about human rights violations in the muslim-majority countries.
That Guardian post simly shows how you can get away with a rape in a muslim country.
Religion is cancer.
2012-03-17 10:05:09
the main question is still: Is there a problem with immigrants or is there no problem with immigrants in european countrys or as in sweden (the country the topic is about actually ) and as a fact--> there are problems (and not only in sweden)
european countrys as they exist are very open minded but countrys where the islam is the main religion are not open minded are they???????
are muslim people open minded when christians walk through their country??? it´s ok when the tourists spend their money in this countrys but thats all about tolerance with other religions like christians, in muslim countrys
please explain open minded more then 2 words because this:
They come up here and all they read in the newspaper i how bad they are. They apply jobs, but because it says Mohammed on the application, the chance of getting hired is minimal.
is absolutely bullshit...
maybe u didn´t see it with your own eyes but i can tell you i did see it for years and i felt the hate and i heard opinions about christians alot of times...
Anders breivik is a f****** monster...no christian would say that he made something good or something that changed the world in a positive way....but, what you think: how many muslims (and again i dont wanna offend anyone in their religion or people who think different) think that 911 is a day to celebrate.... i would bet there are more than u can ever imagine
religion(s) did change people and religion(s) did change countrys thats a fact...
european countrys as they exist are very open minded but countrys where the islam is the main religion are not open minded are they???????
are muslim people open minded when christians walk through their country??? it´s ok when the tourists spend their money in this countrys but thats all about tolerance with other religions like christians, in muslim countrys
please explain open minded more then 2 words because this:
They come up here and all they read in the newspaper i how bad they are. They apply jobs, but because it says Mohammed on the application, the chance of getting hired is minimal.
is absolutely bullshit...
maybe u didn´t see it with your own eyes but i can tell you i did see it for years and i felt the hate and i heard opinions about christians alot of times...
Anders breivik is a f****** monster...no christian would say that he made something good or something that changed the world in a positive way....but, what you think: how many muslims (and again i dont wanna offend anyone in their religion or people who think different) think that 911 is a day to celebrate.... i would bet there are more than u can ever imagine
religion(s) did change people and religion(s) did change countrys thats a fact...
2012-03-17 09:13:03
Why do you even compare european countries with their countries? - There is a reason why we feel (and they) that this part of the World is a better place. Just because they don't feel openminded in their country, makes it okay for us to do the same? - You should be proud of how well we are doing up here, where free religion, freedom of speech is what defines our countries.... But apparently, when Muslims comes up here and try to live like that, then its suddenly not okay? - Then they are 'trying' to take over the World, or building a Mosque is just so bad because ?!??!?!?!?!
These 2% who REALLY is bad, and who just uses the system to get money and doesn't respect the Western culture is destroying it for all the Muslims who does wanna get a normal and nice life...
Why do you think people Celebrate 911??? That is because some of the middle east countries are controlled so bad by the goverment, that the media only shows the Western World as a cruel monster (Which we sometimes are tbh) who is killing innocent women and children... No wonder everytime they turn on the TV they are showed how bad the West is... - Just take an example of the American soldier who killed 15-20 innocent Afghans... It is things like that who makes Al Qaeda so strong, because then they can ask the regular Afghan who supports the West... "Do you really wanna support them when they kill your brothers and sisters ?"...
To summarize it....
- Be happy that you live in a place where peace, harmony, free religion and freedom of speech rules. Dont argue about Christians can't walk through their country... There is a reason that they come up here? Of course to find a better life...
- I have tons of friends who feel discriminated because they are studying as Muslims, and yet feel that the Media is trying to spread fear about Islam.
- A lot of cruelty happends in the Middle East... Mainly because of Al Qaeda and terrorists, but also because of the influence of example USA in the middle east...
They ARE trying to get a better life... No wonder why we see the all the Dictators fall one by one because of the new generation demanding a better life....
These 2% who REALLY is bad, and who just uses the system to get money and doesn't respect the Western culture is destroying it for all the Muslims who does wanna get a normal and nice life...
Why do you think people Celebrate 911??? That is because some of the middle east countries are controlled so bad by the goverment, that the media only shows the Western World as a cruel monster (Which we sometimes are tbh) who is killing innocent women and children... No wonder everytime they turn on the TV they are showed how bad the West is... - Just take an example of the American soldier who killed 15-20 innocent Afghans... It is things like that who makes Al Qaeda so strong, because then they can ask the regular Afghan who supports the West... "Do you really wanna support them when they kill your brothers and sisters ?"...
To summarize it....
- Be happy that you live in a place where peace, harmony, free religion and freedom of speech rules. Dont argue about Christians can't walk through their country... There is a reason that they come up here? Of course to find a better life...
- I have tons of friends who feel discriminated because they are studying as Muslims, and yet feel that the Media is trying to spread fear about Islam.
- A lot of cruelty happends in the Middle East... Mainly because of Al Qaeda and terrorists, but also because of the influence of example USA in the middle east...
They ARE trying to get a better life... No wonder why we see the all the Dictators fall one by one because of the new generation demanding a better life....
2012-03-17 17:13:01
+1 ..
Killing innocents = making al-qaeda grow and strong ..
Killing innocents = making al-qaeda grow and strong ..
2012-03-17 17:18:23
tbh , its all because of CIA , MOOSAD and other agencies , they want to increase AL-QAEDA and start a war against Muslim .. its a pre-planned thing , ILLUMINATE :D
2012-03-17 17:22:25
I also have muslim friends which i know since couple of years from school, i have absolutely no problem with them..everyone is working and accepting culture laws etc....
sometimes they also get confrontated with a lot of bullshit but this is not comming from the moon....it is just a fact THAT A LOT OF MUSLIM IMMIGRANTS in europe are not willing to accept christian cultures or christian people.....
and if 100% of immigrants would completely accept western hmm i say "lifestyle", culture, laws etc....and we accept muslim culture--> NOT A SINGLE HUMAN IN EUROPE would have a problem with immigrants. But it is just not working because the hate to western cuontrys/people is and i guess will ever be in the heads of very much muslim immigrants all over europe
post#97: "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people." (5:51)
"And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers." (3:85)
that is written in the holy book of the islam (post #97)
now i quote w1gga as he explains what it means (for him i guess): Don't trust Western/non-muslims , Don't marry them , Don't Eat what they Eat and so on ..
but everyone of us should be open minded right..? and every country has to show the tolerance to accept as many muslim immigrants as possible..thats what i just cannot understand
...and so it is absolutely human reason as a european inhabitant when you are confronted with that stuff that most of them say that muslims are not welcome or that they are troublemakers.
as i mentioned i also have muslim friends here in austria and most of them were born here but it is not possible to visit someone at his home because the father does not allow austrian kids in his house just for example
"and 2% are really bad" is also not true because in reality it is a lot more.
Post edited 2012-03-18 06:27:33
sometimes they also get confrontated with a lot of bullshit but this is not comming from the moon....it is just a fact THAT A LOT OF MUSLIM IMMIGRANTS in europe are not willing to accept christian cultures or christian people.....
and if 100% of immigrants would completely accept western hmm i say "lifestyle", culture, laws etc....and we accept muslim culture--> NOT A SINGLE HUMAN IN EUROPE would have a problem with immigrants. But it is just not working because the hate to western cuontrys/people is and i guess will ever be in the heads of very much muslim immigrants all over europe
post#97: "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people." (5:51)
"And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers." (3:85)
that is written in the holy book of the islam (post #97)
now i quote w1gga as he explains what it means (for him i guess): Don't trust Western/non-muslims , Don't marry them , Don't Eat what they Eat and so on ..
but everyone of us should be open minded right..? and every country has to show the tolerance to accept as many muslim immigrants as possible..thats what i just cannot understand
...and so it is absolutely human reason as a european inhabitant when you are confronted with that stuff that most of them say that muslims are not welcome or that they are troublemakers.
as i mentioned i also have muslim friends here in austria and most of them were born here but it is not possible to visit someone at his home because the father does not allow austrian kids in his house just for example
"and 2% are really bad" is also not true because in reality it is a lot more.
Post edited 2012-03-18 06:27:33
2012-03-18 06:19:16
Well, I don't want to be rude now or so zonic but.
Just imagine how many millions American soldiers have slaughetered. Thanks to them, Iraq Somalia Afghanistan Pakistan and many others are everyday getting shelled and bombareded.
I feel some sympathy for those who seek revenge upon those who slaughtered their mother, father, brother, sister.
If they get ONE chance to hijack a few planes in order to be even. To be fair, that's not even the slightest thing close to justice.
I can't really see the point in seeing America as the innocent lamb. America is like a wolf, slaughtering thousands in silence.
The people of the book, described in Islam shall always be tolerated and respected. By that, Christians, Jews must be tolerated in a sharia'ah state.
It's not even 2% of Islamic followers agreeing to extremism. This is exactly what the right-winged politicians wants to describe muslims in general. (I'd say that it's less than 0.5%)
And as a reply to "MonStaaa" you coward. How dare you out 9/11 day as if USA was innocent... Do you know many millions they killed?
Both Usama and USA are crooks, cowards, and meaningless.
Post edited 2012-03-18 07:10:23
Just imagine how many millions American soldiers have slaughetered. Thanks to them, Iraq Somalia Afghanistan Pakistan and many others are everyday getting shelled and bombareded.
I feel some sympathy for those who seek revenge upon those who slaughtered their mother, father, brother, sister.
If they get ONE chance to hijack a few planes in order to be even. To be fair, that's not even the slightest thing close to justice.
I can't really see the point in seeing America as the innocent lamb. America is like a wolf, slaughtering thousands in silence.
The people of the book, described in Islam shall always be tolerated and respected. By that, Christians, Jews must be tolerated in a sharia'ah state.
It's not even 2% of Islamic followers agreeing to extremism. This is exactly what the right-winged politicians wants to describe muslims in general. (I'd say that it's less than 0.5%)
And as a reply to "MonStaaa" you coward. How dare you out 9/11 day as if USA was innocent... Do you know many millions they killed?
Both Usama and USA are crooks, cowards, and meaningless.
Post edited 2012-03-18 07:10:23
2012-03-18 07:09:39
just because of media and the fact people who says such things act like sheeps
2012-03-17 09:50:10
Are you kidding? Do you even have the slightest idea of what that video in short words is trying to say? It says 2 things, either to never let muslims pair, or kill them all.
2012-03-16 23:55:21
That is your opinion. I'm just viewing facts. Why would anyone think of killing?
2012-03-17 00:15:35
Ask that question to the ones who made that video. It literally is trying to say to non-muslims that muslims shouldn't expand anymore (not get children), or get killed.
2012-03-17 00:18:39
That is still your personal interpretation. The video is just stating facts, nothing else.
2012-03-17 00:42:26
Omg :O
2012-03-17 05:37:39
nowdays people choose if they want to have kids .... it all depends of money in certained way , and with condoms and other metods its easy to not have kidss thats way in europe the fertility rate is lower then africa and asia for example ... imo
2012-03-17 17:52:45
It's sad to see how people always excuse themselves saying "I am not racist but...", when in reality their opinions and concerns are very justified.
2012-03-16 23:00:12
most people who say "i am not racist but" are usually racist. judging by the comments in this thread.
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2012-03-16 23:01:36
I'm not racist BUT ... :D
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2012-03-16 23:03:08
;) exactly
2012-03-16 23:06:34
People have always cared about their culture. Seeing that culture turn to ashes at the hand of a different/foreign culture usually triggers the self-preservation instincts and there is nothing to blame about this, no matter if you call it "racism" or whatever :).
2012-03-16 23:05:59
that's your opinion, ofcourse. but i think nationalism of any kind, and racism, are the same thing.
2012-03-16 23:07:20
+1 Nationalism leads to racism pretty much.
2012-03-16 23:09:30
facepalm seriously, only a muslim would say that.
2012-03-16 23:14:38
what about patriotism then?
2012-03-16 23:22:18
What about it? It's related sentiment to nationalism. It's just positive for oneself. One may be happy and proud of their culuture/race 'cuz this and that. And that can lead to being greedy & ignorant toward other races. - Simular to riches and the poors.
2012-03-16 23:28:39
As far as I understand it patriotism, as of today - there is also a historic perception of it - looks back to one's country without the need to compare it to any other in terms of better/worse whereas nationalism needs of this comparison (especially that of seeing itself superior - I doubt you or me have seen any nationalist choosing the 'inferior path' if not due to opression by other to not reach that 'superiorness').
2012-03-16 23:29:37
although, from the sociological point of view, there's no clear distinction... but they do distinct between "positive" and "negative" nationalism.
both are bullshit imo, but that's something else.
both are bullshit imo, but that's something else.
2012-03-16 23:33:42
That is not how I see it. I am just gonna quote wikipedia now, even though it is not a reliable source, I share the same opinion.
"Nationalism is a political ideology that involves a strong identification of a group of individuals with a political entity defined in national terms, i.e. a nation. In the 'modernist' image of the nation, it is nationalism that creates national identity.[1] There are various definitions for what constitutes a nation, however, which leads to several different strands of nationalism. It can be a belief that citizenship in a state should be limited to one ethnic, cultural, religious, or identity group, or that multinationality in a single state should necessarily comprise the right to express and exercise national identity even by minorities.[2]
It can also include the belief that the state is of primary importance, or the belief that one state is naturally superior to all other states"
I included the last part, because most people tend to believe that is what it's all about, but it really isn't
"Nationalism is a political ideology that involves a strong identification of a group of individuals with a political entity defined in national terms, i.e. a nation. In the 'modernist' image of the nation, it is nationalism that creates national identity.[1] There are various definitions for what constitutes a nation, however, which leads to several different strands of nationalism. It can be a belief that citizenship in a state should be limited to one ethnic, cultural, religious, or identity group, or that multinationality in a single state should necessarily comprise the right to express and exercise national identity even by minorities.[2]
It can also include the belief that the state is of primary importance, or the belief that one state is naturally superior to all other states"
I included the last part, because most people tend to believe that is what it's all about, but it really isn't
2012-03-17 16:30:19
The first part is actually what I would understand as nowadays patriotism, that is the loyalty to the intitutions of ones country.
The other version, on the basis of the historic perception I refered to previously, is that patriotism hasn't always been that (blind) loyalty but also the obligation to have the willingness and courage of those intitutions if they do wrong or harm the country and not just state 'my goverment is right whatever it does'.
I see what you mean to say by including the different conceptions of what can be considered nationalism but, as it happens most of the times and just see this very thread as an example, it is usually the bad part of things that people remember more easily than the good part.
The other version, on the basis of the historic perception I refered to previously, is that patriotism hasn't always been that (blind) loyalty but also the obligation to have the willingness and courage of those intitutions if they do wrong or harm the country and not just state 'my goverment is right whatever it does'.
I see what you mean to say by including the different conceptions of what can be considered nationalism but, as it happens most of the times and just see this very thread as an example, it is usually the bad part of things that people remember more easily than the good part.
2012-03-17 22:22:17
man, get an explanatory dictionary.
you may think whatever you want, but your point of view won't change the meaning of the words.
Post edited 2012-03-16 23:20:19
you may think whatever you want, but your point of view won't change the meaning of the words.
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2012-03-16 23:19:28
i meant that they're the two perspectives of the same thing: valuing yourself higher than someone else.
2012-03-16 23:25:14
sorry for bothering you again, but please answer #85. Do you believe patriotism equals racism?
2012-03-16 23:27:28
oh, you didnt reply to me.
oscar wilde once said (and i agree with him):
Patriotism is loving a country just because YOU live in it.
what makes you so special, there are billions of people on this planet
and one more thing, i see the word "patriotism" just as a good-looking synonym of nationalism :)
oscar wilde once said (and i agree with him):
Patriotism is loving a country just because YOU live in it.
what makes you so special, there are billions of people on this planet
and one more thing, i see the word "patriotism" just as a good-looking synonym of nationalism :)
2012-03-16 23:30:35
again wrong. please don't force me to link from wikipedia.
i see the word "patriotism" just as a good-looking synonym of nationalism
again - you may see whatever you want - that changes nothing. "two big differences".
i see the word "patriotism" just as a good-looking synonym of nationalism
again - you may see whatever you want - that changes nothing. "two big differences".
2012-03-16 23:38:40
if you think wikipedia is a reliable source of information, you clearly havent made it past primary school, sorry to say that.
think what you want.
think what you want.
2012-03-16 23:39:36
patriotism - loyalty to your homeland, the ideals and traditions.
nationalism - radical defense of the same ideas.
is it so hard?
nationalism - radical defense of the same ideas.
is it so hard?
2012-03-16 23:45:12
loyalty to homeland and it's radical defense come from the same mindset imo. bye.
2012-03-16 23:47:05
Aha, and Hitler and Maria Teresa are the Adam's and Eve's children. LOL
2012-03-16 23:51:23
Agree.
There is a huge difference between patriotism and nationalism.
There is a huge difference between patriotism and nationalism.
2012-03-17 08:10:12
wrong.
NATIONALISM is and was objectively necessary thing in crucial historical moments of many countries that helped them to SURVIVE.
nothing to do with racism.
EDIT: It's a big shame that nationalism now it's the thing you should be ashamed for.
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NATIONALISM is and was objectively necessary thing in crucial historical moments of many countries that helped them to SURVIVE.
nothing to do with racism.
EDIT: It's a big shame that nationalism now it's the thing you should be ashamed for.
Post edited 2012-03-16 23:33:27
2012-03-16 23:32:02
check this out:
nationalism doesnt help ME survive right now. what helps me survive is water and food. if you you feel that a community as a whole needs to survive, you are nationalist with no logical background in the first place.
i think you should be ashamed of your nationalism, but not of your culture.
nationalism doesnt help ME survive right now. what helps me survive is water and food. if you you feel that a community as a whole needs to survive, you are nationalist with no logical background in the first place.
i think you should be ashamed of your nationalism, but not of your culture.
2012-03-16 23:35:58
crucial historical moments of many countries
did you read what I wrote?
did you read what I wrote?
2012-03-16 23:40:13
i did
2012-03-16 23:42:05
It's like defending your own family - you have to do it because no one else cares. Got it? ;)
2012-03-16 23:49:21
i dont have to defend slovenian mountains, no weapon can destroy them. i dont have to defend slovenian government, they are shit. i dont have to defend slovenian culture, it is inside of me and no one can take it away from me.
i dont have to fight, defend, be loyal... i just have to be a good person
i dont have to fight, defend, be loyal... i just have to be a good person
2012-03-16 23:51:45
good for you. and my grandfather had to, otherwise my parents probably were dead.
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2012-03-16 23:52:57
that i understand. but if he didnt, they would be dead because of someone else's nationalistic ideas, isnt that so? it's an interesting topic and it's hard to find a final answer to it
2012-03-16 23:54:49
because of someone else's nationalistic ideas
Not only. As you can see much more aggression goes from ppl who claim others "nationalists". It's funny - the same with religious ppl that would kill you because you don't believe in their god. That's all.
Not only. As you can see much more aggression goes from ppl who claim others "nationalists". It's funny - the same with religious ppl that would kill you because you don't believe in their god. That's all.
2012-03-17 00:04:46
Racists are most likely nationalists. But nationalists aren't racists. Two different things.
2012-03-16 23:23:42
i meant that they're the two perspectives of the same thing: valuing yourself over someone else.
2012-03-16 23:24:57
Well i'll be honest and say i am racist to an extent. Why? Because everytime i or friends get in problems the majority of the time it has minorities involved.
Although if i meet someone that is part of a minority i'm not going to generalise and judge him just because of that, i have black and arab friends.
Although if i meet someone that is part of a minority i'm not going to generalise and judge him just because of that, i have black and arab friends.
2012-03-16 23:34:45
your ideas dont reach beyond that, into the field for the reasons for those events.
crimes are commited by the poor, the underprivileged, and those with no perspective for the future. these people are most often immigrants - because the citizens of the country hate them.
crimes are commited by the poor, the underprivileged, and those with no perspective for the future. these people are most often immigrants - because the citizens of the country hate them.
2012-03-16 23:38:26
Omfg =/ ... Poor and underprivileged are not only those who commit crimes.. nice try.. We see rich muderers, rapists, thieves.. etc.
"because the citizens of the country hate them." And why do they hate them ?
"because the citizens of the country hate them." And why do they hate them ?
2012-03-17 00:10:27
i don't think i am able to prove you wrong. i've tried many times with people who think as you do, and it seems to be impossible.
2012-03-17 00:12:50
What's awkward in being racist?
2012-03-16 23:10:38
If every1 were racists, the humanity would've been long gone. So be thankful to the non-racists that you're alive ;D
2012-03-16 23:14:20
Thinking that because of your race you are superior to that of others?
2012-03-16 23:22:43
well u can see that Sweden is better place for imigrants than their home countries. Why else would they come there? Dosent it makes Sweden with their citizens better? They've managed to achieve everything with hard work and now others are trying to steal it. Im not saing that white people are better but when you compare coulture its pretty obvoius which one is better.
2012-03-16 23:44:50
+1
2012-03-16 23:47:06
And, according to your statement, making Sweden a good place to go makes those inhabitants that go their and their countries inferior to Sweden?
I do not refer to mere economical terms as you may be doing but from a racial point of view which how a racist is defined upon.
Why do you claim people are stealing anything? Aren't most of them just working as hard as the rest of the 'native' Swedish? Doesn't make this work make them have the right to enjoy , at least, the same life than those?
I do not refer to mere economical terms as you may be doing but from a racial point of view which how a racist is defined upon.
Why do you claim people are stealing anything? Aren't most of them just working as hard as the rest of the 'native' Swedish? Doesn't make this work make them have the right to enjoy , at least, the same life than those?
2012-03-17 00:29:34
What is wrong thinking that euro culture is better than muslims?
2012-03-16 23:48:09
Because there is neither a euro culture nor a muslim one.
2012-03-17 00:34:17
There is either euro culture and muslim one, both based on its religion mostly.
2012-03-17 12:49:29
Even little towns of every country have their own culture environment.
I understand that religion has been said to be one of the bases of euro culture but strangely each time it was referred to in order for euro countries to be true to each other it was ignored.
Right now, and that is one of the leaks of the European project, the culture is more economical than actually culture.
In the same way I know that because of being referred to as muslim countries people have the impression that on that religious basis these countries are a whole unit but just like I have stated each country has still a cultural environment on its own and even a religious one depending on the type of creed of the muslims that live there.
Maybe it is less noticeable in this case as right now, and I do not know if it will ever happen, there hasn't been a separation of the religious part of the public institutions as it happened in Europe.
Post edited 2012-03-17 22:07:12
I understand that religion has been said to be one of the bases of euro culture but strangely each time it was referred to in order for euro countries to be true to each other it was ignored.
Right now, and that is one of the leaks of the European project, the culture is more economical than actually culture.
In the same way I know that because of being referred to as muslim countries people have the impression that on that religious basis these countries are a whole unit but just like I have stated each country has still a cultural environment on its own and even a religious one depending on the type of creed of the muslims that live there.
Maybe it is less noticeable in this case as right now, and I do not know if it will ever happen, there hasn't been a separation of the religious part of the public institutions as it happened in Europe.
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2012-03-17 22:05:21
Not all others, I guess, it depends on racist.
So what's awkward in thinking so?
So what's awkward in thinking so?
2012-03-17 12:48:03
Well, superior to the one that given racist is comparing his/hers with.
The awkward part is that it isn't that easy to compare cultures, despite nowadays taste for numbers.
The awkward part is that it isn't that easy to compare cultures, despite nowadays taste for numbers.
2012-03-17 21:58:40
God damn it, somehow my message wasn't posted. Let's try again...
Well, when I see muslims in the streets or wherever, they are not lovely persons. Much of them are loud and agressive comparing to other people. It's really annoying. Maybe in their original cities people are quite and nice. But why should I care about it? I don't really enjoy them.
Muslims don't respect european women because they are not like muslim women (paranja).
I'm not a racist despite the fact I asked not exactly nice questions. But I think nationalism is good way. Muslim live in muslim countries with their LAW, we live with our LAW, equality and humanity. I don't think they even now what is equality.
The problem is when muslim moves to european country he still lives as in his original country. And it's totally inappropriated because in european countries another culture, sometimes refusing things from muslim culture.
Post edited 2012-03-17 23:35:05
Well, when I see muslims in the streets or wherever, they are not lovely persons. Much of them are loud and agressive comparing to other people. It's really annoying. Maybe in their original cities people are quite and nice. But why should I care about it? I don't really enjoy them.
Muslims don't respect european women because they are not like muslim women (paranja).
I'm not a racist despite the fact I asked not exactly nice questions. But I think nationalism is good way. Muslim live in muslim countries with their LAW, we live with our LAW, equality and humanity. I don't think they even now what is equality.
The problem is when muslim moves to european country he still lives as in his original country. And it's totally inappropriated because in european countries another culture, sometimes refusing things from muslim culture.
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2012-03-17 23:34:13
I think you are wrong when thinking, or at least that is what i understand from your message, that nationalism is the same as living according to the law.
Of course integration means an effort from both sides, the host country and the immigrants. Some do better than others.
Of course integration means an effort from both sides, the host country and the immigrants. Some do better than others.
2012-03-18 00:01:38
You've got me wrong about nationalis for sure. I mean, muslim countries is for muslim, christian is for christians.
Yes, it does. But not much europeans are willing to move in muslim countries. If they do it, they respect their traditions and follow everything they need.
On the other hand when muslim moves to european country he would decide whether to follow HIS traditions or respect european traditions.
Yes, it does. But not much europeans are willing to move in muslim countries. If they do it, they respect their traditions and follow everything they need.
On the other hand when muslim moves to european country he would decide whether to follow HIS traditions or respect european traditions.
2012-03-18 10:38:48
I disagree as I see no reason why a certain religion should not allow someone to go wherever that person wants to go.
If a European moves to a Muslim country that person has to comply with the law just like anyone else. The difference, at least that is the way I see it and have mentioned in other replies in this thread, is that in Muslim countries the law is very much embedded with religious content and that is what differs a Non Muslim country from a Muslim one. You surely have been able to read from time to time from Western/Non Muslim people having trouble due to a given behaviour contrary to the moral of the country and that had been punished severly and in the end was merely released in exchange of a fine.
Therefore one has to differentiate, and it is easier in a Western country, what tradition is and what is law. A muslim or any immigrant is free to follow his traditions as long as they are not contrary to the law.
If a European moves to a Muslim country that person has to comply with the law just like anyone else. The difference, at least that is the way I see it and have mentioned in other replies in this thread, is that in Muslim countries the law is very much embedded with religious content and that is what differs a Non Muslim country from a Muslim one. You surely have been able to read from time to time from Western/Non Muslim people having trouble due to a given behaviour contrary to the moral of the country and that had been punished severly and in the end was merely released in exchange of a fine.
Therefore one has to differentiate, and it is easier in a Western country, what tradition is and what is law. A muslim or any immigrant is free to follow his traditions as long as they are not contrary to the law.
2012-03-19 22:23:01
Being racist is being dumb, since you don't even know your ancestors. For example, I always thought I was 100% tunisian, but I only knew that year that I had spanish roots and also lebanese, problem, I couldn't bear spanish people :), so now that I discovered some of my roots, will I still dislike spanish ppl ?
2012-03-16 23:23:31
Well people here are mostly angry about this immigration but just dont forgot 1 thing the main reason of them coming on europe is because europe colonised them and did alot of damage wich still can't be recoverd.
2012-03-16 23:29:58
Muslim religion is very badly understood by the people, just want to mention that not everyone who says I am a Muslim is a Muslim.
2012-03-16 23:31:34
true that , muslim is a person who does five pillars of islam with second one being most important (to pray 5 times a day ).. if u don't pray then u can be a muslim "on paper"
2012-03-16 23:35:16
There is already a thread to discuss on religion. Try to stick to this topic. Thank you.
2012-03-16 23:41:01
True, a muslim isn't just about coran and praying, it's about principales, and alot of ppl around the world think that islam refuses science and work and promotes violence and racism, but infact, whoever does not seek knowledge is no muslim, and islam is tottaly against racism, and you see christians and jews are very respected in coran. Being a muslim is a lifestyle, not only praying and stuff, it's about doing every task that you're given the best way you can.
2012-03-16 23:49:09
Yes, muslims in theory should be so calm, good people. In practice, well...
2012-03-16 23:51:34
Haha, true, tbh 'real' muslims are really few these days :s
2012-03-16 23:52:58
We are . Islam teaches us all u mentioned. In practice .. which practice ? You're welcome any time to spend 7 days with me and my family and see what calm and good muslim family looks like
2012-03-16 23:59:46
Yeah true just like a guy who converted to islam said "I learned the islam from qoran but if i have learnt it from muslims i would have never converted"
2012-03-17 10:10:44
If you are reading Quran and pray 5 times a day and do other pillars that u are ordered to do , then surely u're going to do every task that you're given the best way you can as u said. Same this goes for knowledge ... "iqra"
Yet , we are not the ones who should talk about this. Allahu A'lam
Post edited 2012-03-17 00:19:00
Yet , we are not the ones who should talk about this. Allahu A'lam
Post edited 2012-03-17 00:19:00
2012-03-17 00:17:13
I couldn't agree more. Mashallah to this comment. Iqra is everything to the Islamic Ulama.
This comment has made me realise that the Umma in general all over the world is becoming weaker due to not being specific enough regarding several topics (People agree to disagree somehow). Islam is shrinking (concentrated) but at the sametime expands just like Helium does. =)
:) thank you once again. jazak Allah khair =)
Post edited 2012-03-17 06:47:58
This comment has made me realise that the Umma in general all over the world is becoming weaker due to not being specific enough regarding several topics (People agree to disagree somehow). Islam is shrinking (concentrated) but at the sametime expands just like Helium does. =)
:) thank you once again. jazak Allah khair =)
Post edited 2012-03-17 06:47:58
2012-03-17 06:46:17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a1PM6YB8wg
http://www.sadistic.pl/muzulmanie-w-szwecji-vt1083..
cant find whole document, just parts of others
http://www.sadistic.pl/muzulmanie-w-szwecji-vt1083..
cant find whole document, just parts of others
2012-03-16 23:34:26
SSB(Norway's main statistical bureau) have estimated that 47% of the population of Oslo will consist of immigrants by 2040.
http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?ar..
Of course Muslims will pull the racist card whenever a person tries to start a conversation about this subject. It's not their society(originally) and culture that is being vastly changed.
I think that two things should be done all over Europe: Less immigration and better integration. This should be obvious for most people, including our politicians in charge. But I guess that policy won't bring in all of those new voters for the left wing. ;)
And no, I'm not a racist. I'm a conserned citizen with the right to speak my mind.
Post edited 2012-03-16 23:55:53
http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?ar..
Of course Muslims will pull the racist card whenever a person tries to start a conversation about this subject. It's not their society(originally) and culture that is being vastly changed.
I think that two things should be done all over Europe: Less immigration and better integration. This should be obvious for most people, including our politicians in charge. But I guess that policy won't bring in all of those new voters for the left wing. ;)
And no, I'm not a racist. I'm a conserned citizen with the right to speak my mind.
Post edited 2012-03-16 23:55:53
2012-03-16 23:55:00
all religions are somewhat silly
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2012-03-16 23:56:31
that's a dangerous claim, i wouldnt call the people who have lived in rainforests for thousands of years stupid.
i'm an atheist, just to make it clear
Post edited 2012-03-16 23:58:59
i'm an atheist, just to make it clear
Post edited 2012-03-16 23:58:59
2012-03-16 23:58:32
I changed it <3 But I still don't see how the rain forest people are relevant.
2012-03-17 00:05:37
they've survived through centuries, and religion is the very basis of their everyday lives :P
silly indeed from my perspective, agree :D
silly indeed from my perspective, agree :D
2012-03-17 00:07:26
This is not the thread on religion. Thank you.
2012-03-17 00:31:56
Is that so?
2012-03-17 00:48:25
Yes, it is not my fault people like to mix things up.
2012-03-17 01:28:41
Is anyone blaming you?
2012-03-17 01:42:25
No?
2012-03-17 01:52:02
I have no idea what we are talking about.
I was simply stating that religion is somewhat silly. Whether it was on- or off-topic is irrelevant.
I was simply stating that religion is somewhat silly. Whether it was on- or off-topic is irrelevant.
2012-03-17 01:56:50
Unfortunately it is as users may reply to you on that premise despite you considering it "irrelevant".
2012-03-17 01:58:54
Sorry, I can't agree on that even though I'd like to call myself an agnostic. Religion is a dogma and a moral guide to some people. When being in difficult or harsh situation people like to turn towards their belief in order to find their track again. Religion can be very helpful if not exaggerated.
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2012-03-17 10:44:20
I'm muslim, so what?
2012-03-17 00:01:12
many people hate you, that's all.
2012-03-17 00:02:05
I don't care who hate, I'm proud what I am.
2012-03-17 09:39:15
"I don't care who hate, I'm proud what I am."
+1000... ---->
+1000... ---->
2012-03-17 15:48:14
+111111
2012-03-17 20:38:17
+1
2012-03-18 11:34:38
Don't listen to him i <3 you :)
2012-03-17 00:06:32
<3
2012-03-17 09:39:24
faiths is not the problem i suppose. Integration and respect for cultre that gave u opportuniets to become whom You've become on the other hand...
2012-03-17 00:11:50
I am not and I don't hate you :)
2012-03-17 10:45:03
Happy to hear this. Respect.
2012-03-17 18:26:53
Not only Sweden but also Finland has problems with muslims.
2012-03-17 00:16:36
Wooow, are you serious? Don't you mean foreign people because bad experiences makes life more gloryful?! (Oh the guy I argued with is muslim woow) haha get a grip teco. Finland doesn't have any ethnic problems apart, compaired to Sweden.
So your not in my opinion entitled to your opinion.
So your not in my opinion entitled to your opinion.
2012-03-17 06:22:05
You don't know what you are talking about.
2012-03-17 10:33:54
Man are you serious? ROFL are you seriously telling me that I don't know shit when I've relatives in Finland?
Are you seriously telling me, the one who first off is a muslim immigrant that I don't know what I'm on about?
Finland doesn't have a huge ethnical debate under going, like here in Sweden. Finland doesn't even have open borders for immigrant to emigrate to.
The ones who are in Finland, my friend. Are the ones who've political asylum, and they've the rights to be accordingly to U.N. to apply for permanent residence permit....
Stop bullshitting on HLTV and grow up
Are you seriously telling me, the one who first off is a muslim immigrant that I don't know what I'm on about?
Finland doesn't have a huge ethnical debate under going, like here in Sweden. Finland doesn't even have open borders for immigrant to emigrate to.
The ones who are in Finland, my friend. Are the ones who've political asylum, and they've the rights to be accordingly to U.N. to apply for permanent residence permit....
Stop bullshitting on HLTV and grow up
2012-03-18 07:27:44
Islam is a danger to western society imo.
Looking forward to Draw Mohammed day May 20th, a good day to express my freedom of speech.
inb4 racist hurr durr, it's a religion, not a race, ergo there's no such thing as racism towards Islam
Looking forward to Draw Mohammed day May 20th, a good day to express my freedom of speech.
inb4 racist hurr durr, it's a religion, not a race, ergo there's no such thing as racism towards Islam
2012-03-17 00:18:20
Maybe not, but there's something called modesty and respect.
2012-03-17 00:21:53
these people are not familiar with the meaning of modesty and respect...
2012-03-17 00:27:36
Lol, "Draw a mohamed day", and we're the ones who have no morals...Insulting other ppl's beliefs, maybe your society gives you that right, but as a human you should be ashamed of urself.
2012-03-17 00:25:11
agree
2012-03-17 00:27:54
Ashamed of what?
The only people who aren't allowed to draw Mohammed are the muslims because they follow the rules of Islam.
Why do I have to follow the rules of an ideology which I in no way sympathise with?
I don't participate in Draw Mohammed Day because I enjoy being disrespectful towards muslims, I do it to prove a point: Muslims are against freedom of speech.
The only people who aren't allowed to draw Mohammed are the muslims because they follow the rules of Islam.
Why do I have to follow the rules of an ideology which I in no way sympathise with?
I don't participate in Draw Mohammed Day because I enjoy being disrespectful towards muslims, I do it to prove a point: Muslims are against freedom of speech.
2012-03-17 00:36:37
Wow. Either you are 12yo or a retard. Go back to your cave tard.
2012-03-17 00:39:14
Okay, what is it that makes me a retard then?
2012-03-17 11:14:36
Haha, you probably haven't even read a single book of any religion, any blind imbecile can tell.
So we don't have freedom of speech because we are not allowed to make fun of our own religion and prophet?
Are you somewhat incapable of thinking mate?
Btwn, how come you don't practice a "Draw Jesus day" aimed at Christians? Won't they be upset? Matter of fact, "Draw the person next to you in class in a funny way" won't he/she be upset? You call that freedom of speech? It's hard to say you have the minimal size brain of a mammal let alone education.
So we don't have freedom of speech because we are not allowed to make fun of our own religion and prophet?
Are you somewhat incapable of thinking mate?
Btwn, how come you don't practice a "Draw Jesus day" aimed at Christians? Won't they be upset? Matter of fact, "Draw the person next to you in class in a funny way" won't he/she be upset? You call that freedom of speech? It's hard to say you have the minimal size brain of a mammal let alone education.
2012-03-17 09:27:35
No, they wont be as upset. People don't get death threats just because they post drawings of jesus, somebody might think its disrespectful and complain about it but they wouldn't be rioting outside the embassy demanding the head of the artist.
Your religion does not stand above freedom of speech, in fact your religious rules don't even apply to me.
Oh and for the record, I read the bible and most of the quran.
Your religion does not stand above freedom of speech, in fact your religious rules don't even apply to me.
Oh and for the record, I read the bible and most of the quran.
2012-03-17 11:12:52
So, you're convinced that all of us are like those few who protested, wanted the head of the artist, ye? How many protested? Thousands? The Muslims consists of more than 1 billion person now, if not more (I'm not up to date about this). So my friend you see, you are arrogant and ignorant, you would respect Christians and Muslims if you actually read any of 'em. Because in both books they never teach hate or discriminate towards any life form.
So it comes down to this,
1. You are a serious confused individual with inner problems, might wanna check that out.
2. You just simply do not have enough brain capacity to think, or perhaps just a general drop out looking for attention and trying to be sophisticated.
You, are a shame to all Swedes, Europe and Earth. Dwell away now.
So it comes down to this,
1. You are a serious confused individual with inner problems, might wanna check that out.
2. You just simply do not have enough brain capacity to think, or perhaps just a general drop out looking for attention and trying to be sophisticated.
You, are a shame to all Swedes, Europe and Earth. Dwell away now.
2012-03-17 11:22:59
As a result of the danish Mohammed cartoons in 2005 139 people were killed and the danish embassy in Pakistan was bombed.
That's one hundred thirty-nine people killed over a cartoon, in the 21st century.
I find it highly offensive that you consider the events insignificant just because the majority of muslims didn't participate.
That's one hundred thirty-nine people killed over a cartoon, in the 21st century.
I find it highly offensive that you consider the events insignificant just because the majority of muslims didn't participate.
2012-03-17 12:04:24
I find it highly offensive that you'd take the actions of a few and condemn over 1 billion person to a low life form.
You, sir, are low educated. It's too obvious. This conversation is over.
You, sir, are low educated. It's too obvious. This conversation is over.
2012-03-17 14:50:55
Whatever, hypocrite.
2012-03-17 15:25:04
how will you like if some draws a cartoon of your family ? or your ancestor ?
blast at embassy was from TALIBAN not from MUSLIMS and Taliban are not Muslims ..
blast at embassy was from TALIBAN not from MUSLIMS and Taliban are not Muslims ..
2012-03-17 15:28:33
That would depend on how insulting the cartoon was but I probably wouldn't care at all, and I definitely wouldn't try to kill anybody.
Also I don't see what that's got to do with this, Mohammed isn't part of your family.
Also I don't see what that's got to do with this, Mohammed isn't part of your family.
2012-03-17 15:35:32
we are from Prophet family , we follow him , he's our ancestor , we are ordered to follow him .. that's why we don't like , and don't make me remind how awful/hateful/vulgar cartoons they were .
would you like if one of us made that type of cartoons of your family ? NO , no one from this site will ..
would you like if one of us made that type of cartoons of your family ? NO , no one from this site will ..
2012-03-17 15:44:01
Well first of all it's ridiculous to claim that all muslims are decendant of Mohammed.
If somebody made an extremely vulgar cartoon of somebody in my closest family, my mother for example, and posted it publically, then yes I might get a bit upset.
But anything other than that I wouldn't care about tbh, and again I wouldn't get so upset that I'd start killing people and bombing embassies.
And regardless of if it's immoral or not, you don't have the right to stop us.
If somebody made an extremely vulgar cartoon of somebody in my closest family, my mother for example, and posted it publically, then yes I might get a bit upset.
But anything other than that I wouldn't care about tbh, and again I wouldn't get so upset that I'd start killing people and bombing embassies.
And regardless of if it's immoral or not, you don't have the right to stop us.
2012-03-17 16:05:01
Fyi.. THe Prophet Muhammad(PBUH&HF) isnt just a simple human. He is the best of all creation who ever walked on this earth. His holy progeny and him are INFALLIBLE. Thats why we muslim give them great respect and high value more than our parents indeed.
2012-03-17 18:31:15
That's lovely, he was also a pedophile and fought in many wars. Truly something to respect.
2012-03-17 19:16:28
I can't even understand this man. Do you've any respect for other peoples belief ?
How dare you sit behind your computer and act like if you were Mussolini?
Go out of your computer, start talk like that in real life boy. I can garantee you that your toung would be dragged alongside your head on the asfalt.
Calling a holy man pedophile........ I can't even understand your way of expressing yourself... Your more intolerant than anyone I've ever seen on the internet so far.
Grow up
How dare you sit behind your computer and act like if you were Mussolini?
Go out of your computer, start talk like that in real life boy. I can garantee you that your toung would be dragged alongside your head on the asfalt.
Calling a holy man pedophile........ I can't even understand your way of expressing yourself... Your more intolerant than anyone I've ever seen on the internet so far.
Grow up
2012-03-18 07:16:07
He married a child, that makes him a pedophile by definition.
Why do you have to get so defensive? I'm only stating facts.
I respect the fact that you believe something I don't and I'm not trying to impose my beliefs on you, however I have trouble respecting the principles of Islam.
Why do you have to get so defensive? I'm only stating facts.
I respect the fact that you believe something I don't and I'm not trying to impose my beliefs on you, however I have trouble respecting the principles of Islam.
2012-03-18 11:04:49
+1
Do you remember the cartoon on Hanuman? Did Hindus rebel against the cartoon?
Do you remember the cartoon on Hanuman? Did Hindus rebel against the cartoon?
2012-03-18 11:38:39
1+
2012-03-17 00:36:43
Your are christian or non-believer?
2012-03-17 00:25:24
Atheist
2012-03-17 00:37:15
seriously what are you a christian orthodox hindu or a atheist or what?
2012-03-17 10:13:43
This is not the thread on religion. Thank you.
2012-03-17 00:32:22
Then delete that comment full of hate. Thank you.
2012-03-17 00:33:50
I value freedom of speech and, as far as I see it, the comment, even though I do not necessarily share its content, merely expresses an opinion.
You are obviously just as free to rebate it.
Post edited 2012-03-17 01:23:34
You are obviously just as free to rebate it.
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2012-03-17 01:13:44
"When they see an attack against Blacks, they call it racism. When they see an attack against Jews, they call it anti-Semitism. When they see an attack against women, they call it male domination. When they see an attack against homosexuality, they call it intolerance. When they see an attack against a religious sect they call it hate. But when they attack "Arabs or Muslims" they call it freedom of speech!!!!!''
Why is this topic here on HLTV.org anyway when only thing that can come out of it is hate and poisoning people's hearts and minds. This is my last comment on this forum cuz you clearly can't read anything good on it nowadays.
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Why is this topic here on HLTV.org anyway when only thing that can come out of it is hate and poisoning people's hearts and minds. This is my last comment on this forum cuz you clearly can't read anything good on it nowadays.
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2012-03-17 01:32:13
If I would be the way your nice c/p states you would indeed see those attacks in this thread.
I already told you that you are yourself free to rebate what the user has stated like other users have done though if you choose not to do so, there is nothing I can do with regard to it.
The thread is on Hltv.org because a user wanted to know the opinion of the community on this specific topic.
I understand that some opinions you may not agree with but that is, as far as I understand it, the prize of knowing that the site values its users to be able to express freely as long it is done in respectful terms. Surely we may not agree to some extent on those 'respectful terms' but I hope you understand what I mean to say.
I am sorry to read about your decision but I respect it.
I already told you that you are yourself free to rebate what the user has stated like other users have done though if you choose not to do so, there is nothing I can do with regard to it.
The thread is on Hltv.org because a user wanted to know the opinion of the community on this specific topic.
I understand that some opinions you may not agree with but that is, as far as I understand it, the prize of knowing that the site values its users to be able to express freely as long it is done in respectful terms. Surely we may not agree to some extent on those 'respectful terms' but I hope you understand what I mean to say.
I am sorry to read about your decision but I respect it.
2012-03-17 01:47:14
a guy who says "youre an asshole" to someone who has mocked his beliefs gets banned
a guy who says "islam is a danger to western society" and promotes Draw Mohammed Day, gets kindly reminded that he is in the wrong thread and thanked for taking it into consideration.
i'm now pointing out for the hundredth time - jonathan youre biased as fvck
a guy who says "islam is a danger to western society" and promotes Draw Mohammed Day, gets kindly reminded that he is in the wrong thread and thanked for taking it into consideration.
i'm now pointing out for the hundredth time - jonathan youre biased as fvck
2012-03-17 00:37:03
Before trying to judge me, as usual, first get your facts straight.
I doubt I have to explain it to someone as smart as you, despite your "false modesty". Insults mean a ban as simple as that.
That user could have chosen a better way to reply to the user who considers Qoran a racist book. Mocking? Well, read the message and I doubt it is about mocking but expressing an opinion which I do not necessarily share but it is expressed in acceptable terms.
Again, the user did not share/like it? Rebate it instead of insulting and getting banned.
A user states his thoughts, respectable just like any of the ones on this site, in the wrong thread. Thus I pollitely (as I do with anyone) tell the user it is the wrong thread for religious discussions. Again, as simple as that.
If you think I am biased, fine to me as I can live with it.
I doubt I have to explain it to someone as smart as you, despite your "false modesty". Insults mean a ban as simple as that.
That user could have chosen a better way to reply to the user who considers Qoran a racist book. Mocking? Well, read the message and I doubt it is about mocking but expressing an opinion which I do not necessarily share but it is expressed in acceptable terms.
Again, the user did not share/like it? Rebate it instead of insulting and getting banned.
A user states his thoughts, respectable just like any of the ones on this site, in the wrong thread. Thus I pollitely (as I do with anyone) tell the user it is the wrong thread for religious discussions. Again, as simple as that.
If you think I am biased, fine to me as I can live with it.
2012-03-17 01:04:00
that's a new low for you. hf
2012-03-17 01:06:18
Spare me your ignorance about me. Thank you.
2012-03-17 01:11:11
He's only trying to ensure that there's no religious provocation between the users.
Thank you for deleting posts that are to some, very hostile and dispicible.
Thank you for deleting posts that are to some, very hostile and dispicible.
2012-03-17 06:18:50
If it were his/her true intentions it would be fine but unfortunately this user likes to spend his/her time applying his/her scale of values to my work without actually nothing about it .
Do not thank only me but the rest of the site's staff ;)
Do not thank only me but the rest of the site's staff ;)
2012-03-17 21:30:59
Seriously? People saying "This religion sucks" "I approve of making fun of this book and that religion" aren't ban material I agree, but at least delete them instead of just banning the guys who are furious and reply angrily..
You shouldn't have banned w1gga, you could've just deleted his comment. It was just an in anger moment dude.
Post edited 2012-03-17 11:31:39
You shouldn't have banned w1gga, you could've just deleted his comment. It was just an in anger moment dude.
Post edited 2012-03-17 11:31:39
2012-03-17 11:30:44
The user was banned after insisting in the same behaviour. As stated in my message I have not tell this or any other user that insulting are not the way to do things on this site.
And if the reason is that of being furious, to take a deep breath before posting is always a good idea.
And if the reason is that of being furious, to take a deep breath before posting is always a good idea.
2012-03-17 21:53:37
Maybe, but also to remove the cause of that is a thought as well. You're biased mate. Deleting that wouldn't hurt no one but benefit a lot, including you of having to check the replies and so on.
2012-03-17 22:49:26
Remove the cause of what?
Of disagreeing with an opinion? If I or any other staff member had to do this I would have to delete 80% of the messages.
If you think I am biased because i do not delete the messages you think I should delete or act the way you suppose me to act, I can live with it as I am not despite your opinion.
That is what discussions are about, discussing things not deleting stuff just because you do not share the point of view. That would not be being biased but being simple-minded in terms of 'my way or the highway'.
Of disagreeing with an opinion? If I or any other staff member had to do this I would have to delete 80% of the messages.
If you think I am biased because i do not delete the messages you think I should delete or act the way you suppose me to act, I can live with it as I am not despite your opinion.
That is what discussions are about, discussing things not deleting stuff just because you do not share the point of view. That would not be being biased but being simple-minded in terms of 'my way or the highway'.
2012-03-17 23:16:09
That is what I believe, and thankfully I am allowed to have those beliefs.
Just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean I should get banned.
Just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean I should get banned.
2012-03-17 11:19:38
Your discriminating folks who work and live for this country. And for that, you mock all people who are muslims.
Do you've any ideas on how big influence Muslims are when it comes to finances? We've the biggest buying capacity when it comes to holidays.
So don't even try to provoke or flame a religion when your dentist bills were paid by muslims when you were a kid.
Do you've any ideas on how big influence Muslims are when it comes to finances? We've the biggest buying capacity when it comes to holidays.
So don't even try to provoke or flame a religion when your dentist bills were paid by muslims when you were a kid.
2012-03-17 06:25:27
My dental bills as a child were paid by the swedish tax payers, some of which may have been muslim yes. Allthough I fail to see the connection to Draw Mohammed Day.
Some of the tax payers were probably vegetarians, are you implying that I should show my respect towards the vegetarians who helped pay my dental bills by not eating meat?
Like I've stated before, muslims seem to think that their prophet stands above freedom of speech, and that their rules apply to _everybody_
hint: they don't
Some of the tax payers were probably vegetarians, are you implying that I should show my respect towards the vegetarians who helped pay my dental bills by not eating meat?
Like I've stated before, muslims seem to think that their prophet stands above freedom of speech, and that their rules apply to _everybody_
hint: they don't
2012-03-17 11:34:16
You should have respect for an authority higher than you'll grind on.
Stop mocking Islam and it's importance. I don't want to read this blasphemy of yours, it sickens people.
Do you know what reactions you'd have caused in real life with this ignorant behavior of yours? People would throw up on you, just the idea drawing something horrid about a man more noble and humble than you'll ever come across.
It sickens me.
Stop mocking Islam and it's importance. I don't want to read this blasphemy of yours, it sickens people.
Do you know what reactions you'd have caused in real life with this ignorant behavior of yours? People would throw up on you, just the idea drawing something horrid about a man more noble and humble than you'll ever come across.
It sickens me.
2012-03-18 07:18:41
You know, you don't have to read my blasphemous rants,
I keep repeating myself: You don't have the right to stop me from drawing Mohammed.
If muslims like yourself could accept that, then there would be no Draw Mohammed Day. You're the only reason it exists.
Oh and I refuse to be intimidated to silence.
I keep repeating myself: You don't have the right to stop me from drawing Mohammed.
If muslims like yourself could accept that, then there would be no Draw Mohammed Day. You're the only reason it exists.
Oh and I refuse to be intimidated to silence.
2012-03-18 11:13:18
I've heard that most of albanian go to live on malmo
2012-03-17 00:27:16
bosnians, albanians and serbs have the same problems in slovenia too...
2012-03-17 00:28:43
You are all mixing culture, religion and race in this topic. If you can't figure that out first, then you should not express yourself on the immigration topic.
By the way, the same kind of thoughts as those expressed here lead Europe not that long ago to the worst massacre and genocide of humanity... the shoah.
People were thinking that jewish people were a "danger" to their society... remember what happened, that is the only purpose of history: not to reproduce the same mistakes !
Peace guys... relax!
Post edited 2012-03-17 00:41:38
By the way, the same kind of thoughts as those expressed here lead Europe not that long ago to the worst massacre and genocide of humanity... the shoah.
People were thinking that jewish people were a "danger" to their society... remember what happened, that is the only purpose of history: not to reproduce the same mistakes !
Peace guys... relax!
Post edited 2012-03-17 00:41:38
2012-03-17 00:38:21
thanks for this.
who has ever learned anything from history, rly...
who has ever learned anything from history, rly...
2012-03-17 00:40:30
If you tell me you have, there is hope :)
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Post edited 2012-03-17 00:44:32
2012-03-17 00:43:42
there's a lot to learn from the present, it's not like nazism and similar are dead, far from it... peace :)
2012-03-17 00:45:56
Im a muslim living in sweden. I got a full time job and a few others i know works aswell. Cant really understand where your "90" unnemployd comes from. I got more swedish friends then immegrant friends, and you know a funny fact? That all the "immegrants" i know works meanwhile the swedish ones are the ones that is either lazy or simply dont want to. I see some people saying "they dont even try learn the language etc etc". The funny thing is that i actually speak better swedish then many "real swedish ppl".
Im born in sweden, pay my taxes(maybe even more then some of yall)also married to swedish girl since 5 year back. Still im marked as a terrorist?. Haha some of you are really phatetic, but hey thats not your fault i guess, listening only to whats written in news.
Im born in sweden, pay my taxes(maybe even more then some of yall)also married to swedish girl since 5 year back. Still im marked as a terrorist?. Haha some of you are really phatetic, but hey thats not your fault i guess, listening only to whats written in news.
2012-03-17 00:56:40
You've integrated. Most of imigrants do not want to become part of country and nation that took care of them. Instead they are trying to make another country in country they already live in - with own rules etc.
2012-03-17 10:37:30
well maybe. But let me tell you one thing expect malmo now, wich i can agree are kinda fucked up, its not as bad as ppl make it. Ever heard of jealousy my friend?
well for an exemple there been 2men so far goin on a immegrant killingspree. Big news, then not a big deal after some months. Noone immegrant have done the same, but let us say some1 did, it would have been the biggest shit... blaiming all immegrant etc etc.
well for an exemple there been 2men so far goin on a immegrant killingspree. Big news, then not a big deal after some months. Noone immegrant have done the same, but let us say some1 did, it would have been the biggest shit... blaiming all immegrant etc etc.
2012-03-24 08:39:27
The whole thing here is that you're hanging out with the immegrants that can fit in with the society, if you go to Rosengård in sweden you'll see that over 50% there are immegrants that are not giving a dang about the swedish country and they fleed from their country to get to a free country and now they want to change Sweden like it was their own country? I mean the whole point about fleeing your country is to get away from the bad things right? Not create another country like it all tho I can agree that there's swedish people that's lazy too and if you check closer there's only a handfull of the people (in malmö atleast) that tries to fit in with the society and atleast learns the language and tries to find a job even tho it might not be that easy
2012-03-23 18:35:25
There's a part of Malmö called "Rosengård" wich is (the main part of it that is) insane, They start fires and when the firedepartment comes they throw rocks and other stuff at them etc, its just stupid. Almost everyday you can read about some kind of violence in the paper, even murders. Me and some friends were there the other day and we walked in to a toilet and we found a dead man laying in there.
Take notes this is NOT, I repeat NOT everyone. not even close, but I do agree there's too many emigrants in sweden, Don't take me wrong. There's alot of them wich shouldnt be here. There's even some of them, quite alot of them that even say that Sweden suck and such. For you ppl who want to call me a racist, do it. We all have racist thoughts about some, even if it is ppl who doesnt brush their teeth, The ppl who doesnt make an effort to learn swedish and actually be a part of the society shouldnt be living here.
I have alot of friends who are muslims, and they are probably the nicest ones I ever will have, they're so thankfull for everything and It's a joy to see. Too bad that there's the idiots who ruin the muslim "reputation" by doing stupid things.
Take notes this is NOT, I repeat NOT everyone. not even close, but I do agree there's too many emigrants in sweden, Don't take me wrong. There's alot of them wich shouldnt be here. There's even some of them, quite alot of them that even say that Sweden suck and such. For you ppl who want to call me a racist, do it. We all have racist thoughts about some, even if it is ppl who doesnt brush their teeth, The ppl who doesnt make an effort to learn swedish and actually be a part of the society shouldnt be living here.
I have alot of friends who are muslims, and they are probably the nicest ones I ever will have, they're so thankfull for everything and It's a joy to see. Too bad that there's the idiots who ruin the muslim "reputation" by doing stupid things.
2012-03-17 01:27:27
Ignorant comment.
There're clashes in several areas that're Swedish too. An example is Danderyd, where there're monetary clashes. Saltsjöbaden too.
Reading your comment is what fuels me to really question myself why I'd want to live in a nation with thoughts nonexpressed but kept to himself. Obviously your not the only one who thinks like that - and I'am confused in many ways such as how you were raised, and in what type of environment.
I can only come to the conclusion that this is yet an ignorant comment. Don't be let down because of bad experiences, because I can guarantee you, I've had bad experiences with swede too. (I haven't let the experiences I've had become an ignorant way of thinking).
There're clashes in several areas that're Swedish too. An example is Danderyd, where there're monetary clashes. Saltsjöbaden too.
Reading your comment is what fuels me to really question myself why I'd want to live in a nation with thoughts nonexpressed but kept to himself. Obviously your not the only one who thinks like that - and I'am confused in many ways such as how you were raised, and in what type of environment.
I can only come to the conclusion that this is yet an ignorant comment. Don't be let down because of bad experiences, because I can guarantee you, I've had bad experiences with swede too. (I haven't let the experiences I've had become an ignorant way of thinking).
2012-03-17 06:37:07
I'm well aware that there are areas that swedes are the reason, but I havent really seen it, and its sad that the media just show the bad areas where muslims live, and if you think its an ignorant comment that's your right. we all have right to have a opinion.
2012-03-17 14:27:44
i bet those are some tough swedish neighbourhoods compared to rosengård lol
2012-03-19 22:51:03
If you don't have a high status or equivalent type of social status. You'll be having issues with the neighbors.
Reasons why is that they don't want people without status to live there so they group against you in all ways possible.
What's worse in your opinion? A question about monetary status, or a question about poverty?
Because they're rich already but they want you to be as them (by that rich), or your poor just like everyone else! Question yourself in what of those 2 societys you would want to live in.
Reasons why is that they don't want people without status to live there so they group against you in all ways possible.
What's worse in your opinion? A question about monetary status, or a question about poverty?
Because they're rich already but they want you to be as them (by that rich), or your poor just like everyone else! Question yourself in what of those 2 societys you would want to live in.
2012-03-20 13:39:24
Dude you're pretty much lieing here since i live right next to rosengård almost and i can promise you that the newspapers are overreacting like hell and there's not that much violence like everyone think it is all tho during winter 2010 i think it was then sure they were throwing stones at the fire department and police but that was a while ago now
2012-03-23 18:39:45
just this winter, there were rapes, 3 murders and alot of fights. I don't know much about how It's more north in sweden but down south Rosengard is by far the most chaotic place, if you deny that you are lying
2012-03-23 22:50:42
the thing is i live almost right next to it as i said and it's not as wild as the news says it is and you're lying if you say that it is
2012-03-23 23:34:22
I'm not saying that it is as wild, and media fires up as soon as a foreigner do something bad, but lets be honest..
the rapes, murders and fights and all this criminal shit that has been going on lately is too much
the rapes, murders and fights and all this criminal shit that has been going on lately is too much
2012-03-23 23:42:21
It's media... Of course they'r gna tellyou the story about the gangs and such. But leave out the ordinary Ahmed (or something like that) since it's not as interesting.
2012-03-17 01:36:18
I can only agree with you, the first and only comment to make any sense.
Let this be a bookmark for all you who are right-winged narrowminded and fill'd with hatred. There's always and will always be a two-sided story. (Come for yourself and see how they live for a day) would be more optimal.
Let this be a bookmark for all you who are right-winged narrowminded and fill'd with hatred. There's always and will always be a two-sided story. (Come for yourself and see how they live for a day) would be more optimal.
2012-03-17 06:39:03
wmbz do you understand that right wing does not = racists?
I can be a libertarian (extremely right-wing) and not racist... Just because there are people on the right who are racist, it doesn't mean that all are...
Isn't that what you have been preaching this entire thread???
I can be a libertarian (extremely right-wing) and not racist... Just because there are people on the right who are racist, it doesn't mean that all are...
Isn't that what you have been preaching this entire thread???
2012-03-18 02:30:33
If you've any knowledge on how right-winged politics actually is implemented to a society as a whole, then your welcome to do a comeback again.
All right-winged movements have some ties or connection to some sort of discrimination. In countries runned by a right-winged goverment, (studies can show you this); the amount of police reports regarding any form of discrimination increases.
The netherlands is one example of a nation where there's a passive discrimination undergoing due to its way of handling other cultures.
Right-winged people can never solidify with freedom, because it always limit for some people, unlike left-winged politics which doesn't limit for people.
There's a difference between left-winged movements and right-winged movements. The left ones are freely but strict as in personal gains and advantages in the society on the other hand, right-winged movements is focusing on "personal liberty".
I rather live in a society where people doesn't live in big ghettos and have slums rather than a society that actually creates this.
Moderaterna has destroyed Sweden in many ways, the health care is one example, the pharmacy monopoly is ruined, blabla. And it has only created social unjust.
Post edited 2012-03-18 04:26:27
All right-winged movements have some ties or connection to some sort of discrimination. In countries runned by a right-winged goverment, (studies can show you this); the amount of police reports regarding any form of discrimination increases.
The netherlands is one example of a nation where there's a passive discrimination undergoing due to its way of handling other cultures.
Right-winged people can never solidify with freedom, because it always limit for some people, unlike left-winged politics which doesn't limit for people.
There's a difference between left-winged movements and right-winged movements. The left ones are freely but strict as in personal gains and advantages in the society on the other hand, right-winged movements is focusing on "personal liberty".
I rather live in a society where people doesn't live in big ghettos and have slums rather than a society that actually creates this.
Moderaterna has destroyed Sweden in many ways, the health care is one example, the pharmacy monopoly is ruined, blabla. And it has only created social unjust.
Post edited 2012-03-18 04:26:27
2012-03-18 04:25:09
Right is the right way. :) You can go on as long as you want with how lovely the left is, but it is clearly devastating and only creates pillows of lazyness to the public(the European left wing that is). Fyi, the Swedish economy has shown great results compared to the rest of Europe in the later years. Tell me how that's a bad sign, left preacher.
2012-03-24 10:41:59
Actually, here in Norway it is a lot if immigrants too. They've found out that 50% of Oslo will be immigrants whitin 2040.
2012-03-17 02:05:06
Heard that it is the 47% ::)
See #159
See #159
2012-03-17 02:08:06
Abdisamad spawN Mohamed is musilman :D
2012-03-17 02:05:47
Not that him being it or not makes any difference about him being a great player, does it? ;)
2012-03-17 02:09:39
This isn't political forum, its CS forum. WHAT A THREAD?!
2012-03-17 02:09:00
It is posted in the off-topic forum thus it is fine.
And as long as everyone acts and posts with common sense (my appreciation of this may be share or not though I respect it especially the latter as it is part of my job here) it will be even finer.
And as long as everyone acts and posts with common sense (my appreciation of this may be share or not though I respect it especially the latter as it is part of my job here) it will be even finer.
2012-03-17 02:12:52
For all of those who are saying , THEY DONT VALUE WESTERN LIFESTYLE THEY DONT LEARN THE LANGUAGE etc etc.
well i live in an arab country that has westerners in it.
they dont speak our language nor do they adapt to our culture and lifestyle.
they have there own
just because you think your way is better than theres dosnt mean its right.
Imperialism isnt a good thing.
well i live in an arab country that has westerners in it.
they dont speak our language nor do they adapt to our culture and lifestyle.
they have there own
just because you think your way is better than theres dosnt mean its right.
Imperialism isnt a good thing.
2012-03-17 03:52:07
First of all ,we must divide the term "muslim" and "immigrant". Other thing is religion and other the immigration. I wont speak for Sweden cause I dont know what happens there. I`ll speak about Greece. Greece has population 10 million,and atm has 2/ 2.5 millions of immigrants of which 80% of them illegal. The majority of them are muslims,but here we dont have religional problems with them (yet). Only crime. Crime comes from poverty,unemployment, low living status and NOT from religional education.
As I can see so far,the problem with muslims is that they are not elastic. Most of them dont want to adopt and follow the way of living,culture etc of the country they chose to live,and in many cases demand from the native people to change their habits (!). That happens in countries that their society is elastic in religional issues. Here the Greek society is deeply Christian Orthodox. Muslim immigrants have realized that and they dont provoke.(and we dont provoke them).
We must accept that Islam is still in development. Its not mature religion yet. Islam is what Christianity was 600 years ago. Inelastic and narrow-minded religion. In 300-400 years it will be ok. If world still exists :p
As I can see so far,the problem with muslims is that they are not elastic. Most of them dont want to adopt and follow the way of living,culture etc of the country they chose to live,and in many cases demand from the native people to change their habits (!). That happens in countries that their society is elastic in religional issues. Here the Greek society is deeply Christian Orthodox. Muslim immigrants have realized that and they dont provoke.(and we dont provoke them).
We must accept that Islam is still in development. Its not mature religion yet. Islam is what Christianity was 600 years ago. Inelastic and narrow-minded religion. In 300-400 years it will be ok. If world still exists :p
2012-03-17 05:21:49
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2012-03-17 05:41:03
read the comment bellow
2012-03-17 05:41:56
what you have to say about this?
Raymond Ibrahim: Saudi Grand Mufti Calls for "Destruction of All Churches in Region"
According to several Arabic news sources, last Monday, Sheikh Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah, the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, declared that it is “necessary to destroy all the churches of the region.”
The Grand Mufti made his assertion in response to a question posed by a delegation from Kuwait, regarding the position of a Kuwaiti parliament member who recently called for the "removal" of churches (he later “clarified” by saying he merely meant that no churches should be built in Kuwait). The Kuwaiti delegation wanted to confirm Sharia’s position on churches.
Accordingly, the Grand Mufti “stressed that Kuwait was a part of the Arabian Peninsula, and therefore it is necessary to destroy all churches in it.”
As with many grand muftis before him, the Sheikh based his proclamation on the famous tradition, or hadith, wherein the prophet of Islam declared on his deathbed that “There are not to be two religions in the [Arabian] Peninsula,” which has always been interpreted to mean that only Islam can be practiced in the region.
Raymond Ibrahim: Saudi Grand Mufti Calls for "Destruction of All Churches in Region"
According to several Arabic news sources, last Monday, Sheikh Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah, the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, declared that it is “necessary to destroy all the churches of the region.”
The Grand Mufti made his assertion in response to a question posed by a delegation from Kuwait, regarding the position of a Kuwaiti parliament member who recently called for the "removal" of churches (he later “clarified” by saying he merely meant that no churches should be built in Kuwait). The Kuwaiti delegation wanted to confirm Sharia’s position on churches.
Accordingly, the Grand Mufti “stressed that Kuwait was a part of the Arabian Peninsula, and therefore it is necessary to destroy all churches in it.”
As with many grand muftis before him, the Sheikh based his proclamation on the famous tradition, or hadith, wherein the prophet of Islam declared on his deathbed that “There are not to be two religions in the [Arabian] Peninsula,” which has always been interpreted to mean that only Islam can be practiced in the region.
2012-03-19 12:31:57
give me your address please . i would like to send you a gift =)
2012-03-20 12:05:19
:O
2012-03-17 05:49:34
I can point things out clearly.
Zonic is "as far as I guess I know" a muslim.
If my memory doesn't fake me. At the time I once jumped in a cb with him n his friends, he did?! actually have two muslim names?!
I'am a muslim, and pita is apparently a muslim aswell. As he written above, there's no major hostility against muslims overall in Sweden.
The only reason why we've suburbs is because we live in two different worlds. One where you live with similiar minded people and one where it's homogenic swedes living there.
I think that the idea with having small segregation is both good and bad but however, I underline the fact that people prefer not having cultural collisions.
Lets per say; we live and adapt for Sweden but we don't have the similiar social code. Muslims don't drink alcohol/eat pork/gamble. As I'am a muslim, I don't follow the same social code as an average Sweden. But I still value my swedish citizenship.
I'd say that I'm more concerned about my way of living in a western civilisation. However I can clearly tell you that it has nothing to do with religion that these suburbs are created. It has to do with the fact that people wants to keep their culture without being 'dishonoured'.
I've respect to all religions although many seems to be hostile versus Islam. The general opinion in the west has recently become more aggresive and we've more right-wing politicians who preaches hate against Islam and being totally ignorant about other ethnic groups.
I pay my taxes to the Swedish taxauthority so I help the nation to build up. But let me be clear, I'm a very moderate person, I stretched my line concerning my religious belief.
We in Sweden don't really have a religious problem, and the Mosques that are built in this nation haven't been paid a single KR by the Swedish authority. Let me remind you that there is institutions and donators from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and many other countries who wants Islam to grow. They're the ones who finance the mosques.
Islam is the leading religion in the world in my opinion, because most of the things in the Quran actually make sense. Otherwise we'd not have muslims. So I once again am sceptical to people with different beliefs (clear in my heart about my choice in life)
Our problem in Sweden is a simple solution to address. And that is for people with foreign background to be loyal to this nation. Keeping their culture and yet have a swedish identity is the way to solve it. Some people don't want a swedish identity because they see the nation as a nation of blasphemy.
Post edited 2012-03-17 06:06:37
Zonic is "as far as I guess I know" a muslim.
If my memory doesn't fake me. At the time I once jumped in a cb with him n his friends, he did?! actually have two muslim names?!
I'am a muslim, and pita is apparently a muslim aswell. As he written above, there's no major hostility against muslims overall in Sweden.
The only reason why we've suburbs is because we live in two different worlds. One where you live with similiar minded people and one where it's homogenic swedes living there.
I think that the idea with having small segregation is both good and bad but however, I underline the fact that people prefer not having cultural collisions.
Lets per say; we live and adapt for Sweden but we don't have the similiar social code. Muslims don't drink alcohol/eat pork/gamble. As I'am a muslim, I don't follow the same social code as an average Sweden. But I still value my swedish citizenship.
I'd say that I'm more concerned about my way of living in a western civilisation. However I can clearly tell you that it has nothing to do with religion that these suburbs are created. It has to do with the fact that people wants to keep their culture without being 'dishonoured'.
I've respect to all religions although many seems to be hostile versus Islam. The general opinion in the west has recently become more aggresive and we've more right-wing politicians who preaches hate against Islam and being totally ignorant about other ethnic groups.
I pay my taxes to the Swedish taxauthority so I help the nation to build up. But let me be clear, I'm a very moderate person, I stretched my line concerning my religious belief.
We in Sweden don't really have a religious problem, and the Mosques that are built in this nation haven't been paid a single KR by the Swedish authority. Let me remind you that there is institutions and donators from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and many other countries who wants Islam to grow. They're the ones who finance the mosques.
Islam is the leading religion in the world in my opinion, because most of the things in the Quran actually make sense. Otherwise we'd not have muslims. So I once again am sceptical to people with different beliefs (clear in my heart about my choice in life)
Our problem in Sweden is a simple solution to address. And that is for people with foreign background to be loyal to this nation. Keeping their culture and yet have a swedish identity is the way to solve it. Some people don't want a swedish identity because they see the nation as a nation of blasphemy.
Post edited 2012-03-17 06:06:37
2012-03-17 05:57:07
how can you say ZONIC is muslim ? just because he is defending Muslims in europe ?
2012-03-17 09:47:54
zonic is 50% Lebanese or something, so he draw a conclusion I guess.
2012-03-17 12:28:47
really ?
2012-03-17 13:27:37
That's at least what some some Danes have said on here(not in this thread, but somewhere else).
2012-03-17 14:07:22
I thought he were ½ German... I've read it somewhere. I'm not quite sure, though.
2012-03-20 04:17:19
Danny Michael Sørensen / Danny Michael Selim
http://www.sk-gaming.com/member/zonic
http://www.sk-gaming.com/member/zonic
2012-03-17 15:55:21
oh .. ty
2012-03-17 15:57:32
"Muslims don't drink alcohol and gamble"
Wierd, cus I have two Muslim friends. Both drinks alcohol and I've played poker with one of them 2-3 times.
Wierd, cus I have two Muslim friends. Both drinks alcohol and I've played poker with one of them 2-3 times.
2012-03-17 12:27:45
they are not a (Muslim) anymore then.
2012-03-17 17:05:58
religion of peace I see
2012-03-24 04:43:25
srsly, not all people are religious.
2012-03-24 05:02:25
islam is to restrictive imho, also that women cannot wear what they want is ugh, terrible... like it is 13 century.
2012-03-24 05:59:11
that's how it should be, women should take care of their dignity.
2012-03-24 06:47:36
lolo, that's just sad
lets just be able to see her eyes!
Post edited 2012-03-24 07:13:09
lets just be able to see her eyes!
Post edited 2012-03-24 07:13:09
2012-03-24 07:12:40
oh you talking about Niqabs? No, Islam doesn't force women to wear that.
2012-03-24 08:01:20
they are not allowed , who every does he/she is not a muslims .
2012-03-17 17:09:33
im pretty sure zonic isnt a muslim
2012-03-17 16:52:31
same , but some are saying . WHO knows except him :D
2012-03-17 16:55:08
He is. :)
Post edited 2012-03-22 12:33:37
Post edited 2012-03-22 12:33:37
2012-03-22 12:32:51
Oh and also:
"Islam is the leading religion in the world in my opinion, because most of the things in the Quran actually make sense. Otherwise we'd not have muslims"
I think you should have excluded this part. Don't get me wrong, it's absoloutely fine if you believe/know that, but it makes your post seem less reasonable.
"Islam is the leading religion in the world in my opinion, because most of the things in the Quran actually make sense. Otherwise we'd not have muslims"
I think you should have excluded this part. Don't get me wrong, it's absoloutely fine if you believe/know that, but it makes your post seem less reasonable.
2012-03-17 17:08:53
Your entitled to that opinion but I still want to highlight things such as; if the holy quran would be a bunch of bullshit.
Muslims are the most religious devoted people on the planet in general. We who're real believers fully practices Islam and its learnings.
Let me remind you that there're over 1billion on this planet that are muslims. I can say about 70% of those being religious and symbolizes themselves as a believer.
There're miracles in the Quran which I can't explain how but read the miracles for yourself and see if they match the picture we've in life :)
Let me also remind you that Islam is the science friendly religion of them all. There's a responsibility in Islam to have knowledge, because knowledge is key.
Muslims are the most religious devoted people on the planet in general. We who're real believers fully practices Islam and its learnings.
Let me remind you that there're over 1billion on this planet that are muslims. I can say about 70% of those being religious and symbolizes themselves as a believer.
There're miracles in the Quran which I can't explain how but read the miracles for yourself and see if they match the picture we've in life :)
Let me also remind you that Islam is the science friendly religion of them all. There's a responsibility in Islam to have knowledge, because knowledge is key.
2012-03-17 18:36:00
imigration has to be completely shut down, most of them ruin the jobs of the native people in their own countrys and doesnt pay taxes, aswell as receiveng a bonus check for being there. its just stupid how i have to live with other races that cant respect other countrys rules, religions, the civilization in general. i try not to be racist, always polite, but this shit is just getting to broken
2012-03-17 06:37:45
How on earth are you from Canada? Canada is the most succesful country for immigrants to live in. Most immigrants in your country is actually more than a backbone, your country is CREATED thanks to immigration.
I guess your just one of those who sees a glass of water half empty rather than half full.
I guess your just one of those who sees a glass of water half empty rather than half full.
2012-03-17 06:40:29
i was born in canada but i live in portugal since i was 3. and how is canada like that? is pretty hard to get a visa, last year thousands of portuguese familys were kicked out from canada cuz there were simply no jobs for the canadians and the unemploeyment rate was getting higher every year. immigration has to have its limits
2012-03-17 06:46:56
Haha, I've lots of relatives who live there, who I exchange contacts with.
I don't know if the truth is as harsh as you proclaim it to be, I've visited Canada once, for four days.
I can't see myself thinking the thought your having now. You don't see the coin being flipped over. We've a financial crisis all over the world, people tend to get desperate - but as I said.
Canada has a way higher standard of living then Sweden has. So don't argue :D We've way higher procentage regarding people with foreign background.
Post edited 2012-03-17 06:52:18
I don't know if the truth is as harsh as you proclaim it to be, I've visited Canada once, for four days.
I can't see myself thinking the thought your having now. You don't see the coin being flipped over. We've a financial crisis all over the world, people tend to get desperate - but as I said.
Canada has a way higher standard of living then Sweden has. So don't argue :D We've way higher procentage regarding people with foreign background.
Post edited 2012-03-17 06:52:18
2012-03-17 06:51:34
im not saying you dont. but when other races mix up all in one place, it gets pretty messy. social neighborhoods is a very powerfull example where misery is installed and violent people commonly try to creat chaos. as i said before things have to be controlled pretty fast or this will end up pretty badly
2012-03-17 07:02:45
Misery is only seen when social unjust happens. Nothing can ease the pain of being declined a decent living.
We can only hope for politicians to take their responsibility because I can assure you, it's not the immigrants fault for being more skilled than you.
It is all about skill and personal preferences in a job. Don't blame any loss regarding a job to an immigrant as "not having enough jobs".
I can only feel sorry for you having this way of thinking. Because I honestly can't understand it. Sorry
We can only hope for politicians to take their responsibility because I can assure you, it's not the immigrants fault for being more skilled than you.
It is all about skill and personal preferences in a job. Don't blame any loss regarding a job to an immigrant as "not having enough jobs".
I can only feel sorry for you having this way of thinking. Because I honestly can't understand it. Sorry
2012-03-17 07:08:13
wtf are you talking about. Here in Greece the immigrants (from Asia mostly) work fοr 5-10 euro per day. They live > 5 ppl in an apartment and pay rent and other needs all together.They send the rest back in their country. How the hell I or everyone else native who wants to find a job can live his family proper with 10 euro? employers prefer immigrants cause they are cheaper. Nothing close to skill or personal preferences. ONLY vaast payment difference that native people can not compete.
2012-03-17 07:19:58
That is in Greece. I'am talking in a country who doesn't have a debt few times bigger than of its BNP.
Immigrants in Greece aren't even taken care of, they're the ones who're underprivliged because of the greedy politicians and bad ruling.
I can only say that the politicians in Greece should have taken care of country more than only careing about themselves. (I assume you've been demonstrating about the cuts your about to live with)
Greece is a country where the strongest survives, the survival of the fittest. If you've no education whatsoever, then you don't have any meaning in life at all :)
Greece is the country for the abandoned ones, you once were a great nation inventing great solutions and methods in life.
Sad to see that a country with such history is a country less fortunate these days.
Post edited 2012-03-17 07:27:08
Immigrants in Greece aren't even taken care of, they're the ones who're underprivliged because of the greedy politicians and bad ruling.
I can only say that the politicians in Greece should have taken care of country more than only careing about themselves. (I assume you've been demonstrating about the cuts your about to live with)
Greece is a country where the strongest survives, the survival of the fittest. If you've no education whatsoever, then you don't have any meaning in life at all :)
Greece is the country for the abandoned ones, you once were a great nation inventing great solutions and methods in life.
Sad to see that a country with such history is a country less fortunate these days.
Post edited 2012-03-17 07:27:08
2012-03-17 07:23:48
that happens even before Greece join euro and eu. Immigrants came here and took all the manpowered jobs. Immigrants that come here have great education eh? :/
2012-03-17 07:28:33
I clearly stated that the immigrants are underprivilged in your country.
I'am also stating the fact that your country has been an abandoned ship since late 70's.
Greece is slowly fading away from it's glory past. I've huge respect towards Greece since the inventions and ideas formed.
What hinders you from working for a less wage than the immigrant? He/she only tries to survive for the day, hench why I wrote "the strongest survives, the survival of the fittest."
Also, immigration has its good and bad sides(extreme situations), in Greece's situation, I'd say that the immigration has failed. Because Greece as a nation can't even take care of it's own citizens :)
Post edited 2012-03-17 07:34:14
I'am also stating the fact that your country has been an abandoned ship since late 70's.
Greece is slowly fading away from it's glory past. I've huge respect towards Greece since the inventions and ideas formed.
What hinders you from working for a less wage than the immigrant? He/she only tries to survive for the day, hench why I wrote "the strongest survives, the survival of the fittest."
Also, immigration has its good and bad sides(extreme situations), in Greece's situation, I'd say that the immigration has failed. Because Greece as a nation can't even take care of it's own citizens :)
Post edited 2012-03-17 07:34:14
2012-03-17 07:32:51
you cant live with such money. What to pay? Rent,loan,car, or everyday consumables? all that living alone. forget to get married and make kids. Situation is fucked up. Immigration failed in Greece because the number of immigrants never got under control. Nowadays every day come in Greece +/- 300 immigrants. In the past much more. Greece cant stand such numbers.
2012-03-17 07:45:53
I can only feel for sorry for the immigrants who were left outside the politics and their voice in your nation.
The blame should be put on your elected politicians, remember that you've the legal admission to vote against them.
I've already stated that the immigration situation in Greece today is horrid. I can't even put words onto under what dreadful conditions under some live in.
But try to see from the bright side, atleast your not as unfortunate in life as the one in need is. (You don't beg for food on the streets)
Also, I saw under your favourites. You seem to be right-winged since your favourite book is 'Mein Kampf' which is forbidden in societys who have nontolerance for Neo-nazis.
Your narrowminded IRL, feel pity for your intellect. :)
Post edited 2012-03-17 07:52:56
The blame should be put on your elected politicians, remember that you've the legal admission to vote against them.
I've already stated that the immigration situation in Greece today is horrid. I can't even put words onto under what dreadful conditions under some live in.
But try to see from the bright side, atleast your not as unfortunate in life as the one in need is. (You don't beg for food on the streets)
Also, I saw under your favourites. You seem to be right-winged since your favourite book is 'Mein Kampf' which is forbidden in societys who have nontolerance for Neo-nazis.
Your narrowminded IRL, feel pity for your intellect. :)
Post edited 2012-03-17 07:52:56
2012-03-17 07:48:55
mein kampf is a great book. societies that forbidded it are narrow minded not me who read it. Im free to read whatever I want. If Europe took serious mein, kampf when hitler wrote it,WW2 would never happen.
2012-03-17 07:55:54
I'm going to pretend that I didn't read your comment regarding how societys are narrowminded for banning the most disgraceful book written in humanity.
You seem to lack intellect in an intellectual persons opinion, when your telling me that Europe should have taken Hitlers propaganda seriously.
Opressing people for its religious belief, claiming pure blasphemy is the true way of dealing with an issue.
I can no longer continue this open debate anymore because I can't discuss with a right-winged person for obvious reasons. My conclusion is that every person is freely entitled to its opinion, but when it comes to degrading people.
BLARGH
You seem to lack intellect in an intellectual persons opinion, when your telling me that Europe should have taken Hitlers propaganda seriously.
Opressing people for its religious belief, claiming pure blasphemy is the true way of dealing with an issue.
I can no longer continue this open debate anymore because I can't discuss with a right-winged person for obvious reasons. My conclusion is that every person is freely entitled to its opinion, but when it comes to degrading people.
BLARGH
2012-03-17 08:00:13
Have you red the mein kampf? probably not. Of course i disagree in many parts,but in some parts he described the situation in Europe and explained exactly what he would do when he rule.Who is fault? The psycho Hitler, or the Europe that didnt took him serious...or knew what was happening under its nose but the cancer spread.
better right wing patriot rather leftist internationalist fan of globalization in the name of "humanism".
ps: can you tell me your nationality please?
better right wing patriot rather leftist internationalist fan of globalization in the name of "humanism".
ps: can you tell me your nationality please?
2012-03-17 08:07:52
I'am a Swedish citizen with african decent.
As the flag on HLTV shows where I'm in.
"better right wing patriot rather leftist internationalist fan of globalization in the name of "humanism"."
Let's see here, a man who believes in patriotism or a man who believes in global justice..
I'd rather prefer the leftist globalist rather than the narrow-minded nationalist.
See it from a global perspective, we live in a world where free trade is in place. You must think outside your own borders in order for the world to exchange and create new inventions/methods/models/theories.
You need different perspective and persona in order to achieve success. (In the world of engineering) Exchanging information is one vital way to understand the underlaying causes for your invention to work. :)
That's how Benjamin Franklin invented electricity, thanks to some physics theories created by Isaac Newton and many others. :)
And the internet is today one way to easily communicate and swiftly exchange ideas and thoughts.
Post edited 2012-03-17 08:16:18
As the flag on HLTV shows where I'm in.
"better right wing patriot rather leftist internationalist fan of globalization in the name of "humanism"."
Let's see here, a man who believes in patriotism or a man who believes in global justice..
I'd rather prefer the leftist globalist rather than the narrow-minded nationalist.
See it from a global perspective, we live in a world where free trade is in place. You must think outside your own borders in order for the world to exchange and create new inventions/methods/models/theories.
You need different perspective and persona in order to achieve success. (In the world of engineering) Exchanging information is one vital way to understand the underlaying causes for your invention to work. :)
That's how Benjamin Franklin invented electricity, thanks to some physics theories created by Isaac Newton and many others. :)
And the internet is today one way to easily communicate and swiftly exchange ideas and thoughts.
Post edited 2012-03-17 08:16:18
2012-03-17 08:13:00
Only your government to blame. It's harder for an immigrant to get a jov than a native one, I've lived 13 years in Norway, and u've been in ur home country. So I think I've experienced more about this matter. If as you're saying - immigrants taking your jobs blabla, then it's something wrong with greek people and the education ;)
2012-03-17 07:54:43
yes,politics are guilty for everything. And their first mistake is that they opened the borders.
2012-03-17 08:00:35
I knew it, I knew knew knew it. Your a right-winged person. Nationalistic right-winged who feel sympathetic to Nazism.
The debate is hereby over, you can't view things objectively because you see everything subjectively. That's what I've learned from argueing previously with people who idolizes right-winged nationalism!
Post edited 2012-03-17 08:06:52
The debate is hereby over, you can't view things objectively because you see everything subjectively. That's what I've learned from argueing previously with people who idolizes right-winged nationalism!
Post edited 2012-03-17 08:06:52
2012-03-17 08:04:17
i give a shit about Nazism. My grandfathers both fought in the Resistance. Cause I red mein kampf Im nazi? and then you tell me narrowminded. lmao....
2012-03-17 08:14:00
You claim yourself to be right-winged. Yet here you are, discussing with me about having ancestors / relatives fighting against Hitler.
I honestly believe that your political state of quo is confusing. I don't think you honestly know what type of person you are.
Try to explore your political mindset by reading books. (Other than Mein Kampf)
If your a nationalist, then I can say that you're narrowminded as we live in a world where global freedom and trade should have no limits :)
You want to limit things that improves millions of lifes everyday. If everyone would think like you, I guess ideas wouldn't be exchanged, internet wouldn't be as open as it is today. blabla.
Think about the things you support when you support patriotism in such unreliable vein as nationalism as ideology has.
I honestly believe that your political state of quo is confusing. I don't think you honestly know what type of person you are.
Try to explore your political mindset by reading books. (Other than Mein Kampf)
If your a nationalist, then I can say that you're narrowminded as we live in a world where global freedom and trade should have no limits :)
You want to limit things that improves millions of lifes everyday. If everyone would think like you, I guess ideas wouldn't be exchanged, internet wouldn't be as open as it is today. blabla.
Think about the things you support when you support patriotism in such unreliable vein as nationalism as ideology has.
2012-03-17 08:29:28
I've a good song for you Heavon actually.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lch0o4wwGyw
On an everyday basis it constantly reminds me that every human being is unique because you can never fully understand the thought another person has, you can only try to assume and use your own experiences in life to understand the underlines :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lch0o4wwGyw
On an everyday basis it constantly reminds me that every human being is unique because you can never fully understand the thought another person has, you can only try to assume and use your own experiences in life to understand the underlines :)
2012-03-17 08:02:54
They want to bring "Shariah" into force, all over the world!
2012-03-17 06:58:05
So, guess your one of the ignorant people who poses shariah as a threat to any society?
I can only explain to you that Shariah can be enforced only when there's no social unjust. Where there's no unjust at all, and where all people have the same opportunity to succeed in life.
Egoism gets cured by a person who lives in such society where there's no unjust. Unfortunately there has never been a real goverement using shariah since Muhameds caliphate. Most countries that has shariah these days are the ones who wants to use their political advantage against their own people.
Let me state you an example; Is it right for a man to steal an extra bread at the market when He has enough slice of bread to live through a lifetime? (Greedyness) Shariah is playing a mindgame on you people who doesn't understand it. It can only be enforced in a true utopia.
(By that regarding politician using religion as a tool to control its citizens is very common, the clearest example on the planet is and will always be Bahrain)
Shariah, in an utopial thinking is the strongest lawbook in the world. Every single law has been underlined with an explaination!
I couldn't see myself from a personal perspective living in a state under shariah when there's social unjust, and where misery exists.
Post edited 2012-03-17 07:19:33
I can only explain to you that Shariah can be enforced only when there's no social unjust. Where there's no unjust at all, and where all people have the same opportunity to succeed in life.
Egoism gets cured by a person who lives in such society where there's no unjust. Unfortunately there has never been a real goverement using shariah since Muhameds caliphate. Most countries that has shariah these days are the ones who wants to use their political advantage against their own people.
Let me state you an example; Is it right for a man to steal an extra bread at the market when He has enough slice of bread to live through a lifetime? (Greedyness) Shariah is playing a mindgame on you people who doesn't understand it. It can only be enforced in a true utopia.
(By that regarding politician using religion as a tool to control its citizens is very common, the clearest example on the planet is and will always be Bahrain)
Shariah, in an utopial thinking is the strongest lawbook in the world. Every single law has been underlined with an explaination!
I couldn't see myself from a personal perspective living in a state under shariah when there's social unjust, and where misery exists.
Post edited 2012-03-17 07:19:33
2012-03-17 07:11:41
I'm not ignorant, I've read the Quran and I know of all those verses which urges the muslims to kill non-muslims. If muslims want to follow shariah I don't care, but if they try to enslave the world under Islamic jurisprudence, then there will be a war which the muslims won't win.
Shariah is barbaric. Beheading people for offences, stoning raped women to death, cutting a thief's limbs, are all inhuman!
If someone forces any lady of my family to wear a burqa, I swear I'll kill him.
Shariah is barbaric. Beheading people for offences, stoning raped women to death, cutting a thief's limbs, are all inhuman!
If someone forces any lady of my family to wear a burqa, I swear I'll kill him.
2012-03-17 15:12:57
you're obviously know nothing about Islam. That's all I can say :(
2012-03-19 00:35:28
I posted some verses from the Quran, as I've read the Quran, but those comments were deleted! So lets not talk about it.
2012-03-19 09:50:52
You're just a 20 year old kid man. And you obivously have parents who immigrated to Sweden. I'm saying it's wrong to immigrant.
You're just ignorant and none of you say can be backed up. No sources again.
Basics...
You're just ignorant and none of you say can be backed up. No sources again.
Basics...
2012-03-17 16:13:12
Are you serious? Are you telling me that this report is incorrect?
http://www.sweden.gov.se/sb/d/14224/a/182966
I rest my case
http://www.sweden.gov.se/sb/d/14224/a/182966
I rest my case
2012-03-17 18:32:03
When the media run out of newsworthy material and, because of the public's craving for ever new sensations, there is a risk of inconvenient truths coming to the fore, many journalists subconsciously invent pseudo crises or pseudo news to distract the public's attention from these true inconveniences.
2012-03-17 09:12:19
i'm muslim dont hate me plz
2012-03-17 09:27:18
I'm a Muslim and I live in Malmo, Sweden. The problem with the immigration in Sweden is that people put ALL the immigrants in ONE place TOGETHER which doesn't let them meet other people in the society. Do you think immigrants actually can afford to choose where they would like to live when they come to Sweden? No, they just get placed in one hole together.
Not to mention that we have racist in our parliament. They basically want to keep Sweden Swedish and they basically say that all it's all the Muslims fault because of the criminality increasing in Sweden. There was a guy in Malmö shooting immigrants to death and he had done it for 8 years. His goal was to kill as many immigrants as possible but he failed sometimes because he killed people that are Swedish too. Guess what nationality the guy was? Swedish. The Swedish society has been built over these years in such way that the picture of Muslims and immigrants are like this, Muslims & Immigrants = Criminality. If there's a murder somewhere in Sweden and the killer turns out to be Swedish(which they don't mention in media)then no one says a thing. But if something happens in Malmö, they automatically go with: "Those stupid immigrants again!". Not cool! No, 90% of the population in Swedens aren't unemployed, there's a crisis in the entire Europe where people have no jobs because of the economy so it isn't just Sweden. And many immigrants that come to Sweden are educated in their home-country but they can't work with the same thing they did in their home-country in Sweden, I don't know why, I only know that my dad is educated in Mechanical Engineering but he isn't working with that today. The people that don't go to school and get education have been offered education, some don't give a crap, some take the chance but don't make the best of it, education is free in Sweden so... By the way, I went to school in a class where 1 guy was Swedish and the rest wasn't. It was no problem at all and we were cool with eachother. We even went out together after school and hang out.
I think you misunderstood the police, doctors etc. They are terrified to go out at night because of the recent criminality in Malmö where people have been killed. But the thing is, people talk about the danger going out at night in Malmö. Really, there is no danger at all because all the people that have been killed have been involved in criminality with gangs etc so I say, if you haven't done something, there's no reason to be scared of getting killed.
I am not hating on Sweden because I consider myself Swedish because I'm born here and I consider this MY country and I just love it. It has given my parents so much hope and so much help when they first came to Sweden and Sweden basically gave them a new life. Both me and my parents are very thankful for that.
Not to mention that we have racist in our parliament. They basically want to keep Sweden Swedish and they basically say that all it's all the Muslims fault because of the criminality increasing in Sweden. There was a guy in Malmö shooting immigrants to death and he had done it for 8 years. His goal was to kill as many immigrants as possible but he failed sometimes because he killed people that are Swedish too. Guess what nationality the guy was? Swedish. The Swedish society has been built over these years in such way that the picture of Muslims and immigrants are like this, Muslims & Immigrants = Criminality. If there's a murder somewhere in Sweden and the killer turns out to be Swedish(which they don't mention in media)then no one says a thing. But if something happens in Malmö, they automatically go with: "Those stupid immigrants again!". Not cool! No, 90% of the population in Swedens aren't unemployed, there's a crisis in the entire Europe where people have no jobs because of the economy so it isn't just Sweden. And many immigrants that come to Sweden are educated in their home-country but they can't work with the same thing they did in their home-country in Sweden, I don't know why, I only know that my dad is educated in Mechanical Engineering but he isn't working with that today. The people that don't go to school and get education have been offered education, some don't give a crap, some take the chance but don't make the best of it, education is free in Sweden so... By the way, I went to school in a class where 1 guy was Swedish and the rest wasn't. It was no problem at all and we were cool with eachother. We even went out together after school and hang out.
I think you misunderstood the police, doctors etc. They are terrified to go out at night because of the recent criminality in Malmö where people have been killed. But the thing is, people talk about the danger going out at night in Malmö. Really, there is no danger at all because all the people that have been killed have been involved in criminality with gangs etc so I say, if you haven't done something, there's no reason to be scared of getting killed.
I am not hating on Sweden because I consider myself Swedish because I'm born here and I consider this MY country and I just love it. It has given my parents so much hope and so much help when they first came to Sweden and Sweden basically gave them a new life. Both me and my parents are very thankful for that.
2012-03-17 09:29:15
your original country?
2012-03-17 09:45:44
Its hard to belive that in Sweden (such a tolerant country) first imigrants were put 'together in hole' without reason. Why do you think that happend?
If Sweden is so tolerant and give so much opportunities I cant imagine what else would imigrants want? More social care? Privliges?
Here I think is the best exaple of that imigrants are problem itself (NOT ALL OFC). They were given a lot of opportunities that NO other country would give them and yet problem still appears (a lot a little bit about swedish social care, educataions system and imigrants problem since yesterday).
If Sweden is so tolerant and give so much opportunities I cant imagine what else would imigrants want? More social care? Privliges?
Here I think is the best exaple of that imigrants are problem itself (NOT ALL OFC). They were given a lot of opportunities that NO other country would give them and yet problem still appears (a lot a little bit about swedish social care, educataions system and imigrants problem since yesterday).
2012-03-17 11:09:01
I don't know why they put everyone together, that was just stupid. They should've put them in different places in the society to mix them up with Swedes so they could get to know eachothers cultures.
No man, look. Sweden did everything good by taking immigrants to the country but after that, especially media painted up a picture of the immigrants, "Someone gets killed, immigrants fault." They feel misunderstood and mistreated.
No man, look. Sweden did everything good by taking immigrants to the country but after that, especially media painted up a picture of the immigrants, "Someone gets killed, immigrants fault." They feel misunderstood and mistreated.
2012-03-17 14:07:12
Well, the racists in the parlament doesn't have much to say tbh, but then again its either them or the other idiots who created this situation with the immigrants not being able to meet other people. Our goverment sucks.
Just one thing, If there's a murder somewhere in Sweden and the killer turns out to be Swedish(which they don't mention in media)then no one says a thing. But if something happens in Malmö, they automatically go with: "Those stupid immigrants again!"
They never say where the person is from. Ive never heard it and I find it kinda funny that you say that everyone says its immigrants when something happens in malmo for example. And you say that the "regular" swedish thinks that Muslims & Immigrants are criminals, where do you get your facts from?? Do you live with supersuper racist neighbours or something? Every place ive visited in Sweden has been immigrant-friendly, meaning that there is no such thing as "immigrants = crime & murder", swedes & immigrants hang out etc so your picture of Sweden if unfortunately wrong.
Just one thing, If there's a murder somewhere in Sweden and the killer turns out to be Swedish(which they don't mention in media)then no one says a thing. But if something happens in Malmö, they automatically go with: "Those stupid immigrants again!"
They never say where the person is from. Ive never heard it and I find it kinda funny that you say that everyone says its immigrants when something happens in malmo for example. And you say that the "regular" swedish thinks that Muslims & Immigrants are criminals, where do you get your facts from?? Do you live with supersuper racist neighbours or something? Every place ive visited in Sweden has been immigrant-friendly, meaning that there is no such thing as "immigrants = crime & murder", swedes & immigrants hang out etc so your picture of Sweden if unfortunately wrong.
2012-03-17 18:38:01
racist party? whats so racist about us wanting to preserve our heritage and people?
2012-03-17 23:58:32
do your family member know swedish and do you speak it at home?
2012-03-19 00:13:11
You have a point there that they put everyone in the same place all tho there's also immigrants that have the money to move to another place but chose to stay cuz of they have their relatives there and i respect that all tho it allways ends up that the spot where they're living will turn into another Rosengård maybe not with the violence but almost only immigrants
2012-03-23 18:49:10
All because of socialism and UE. Haha, thanks to God, that Poland isn't rich country :)
2012-03-17 10:04:30
SWEED is good country , they accept the Refugees from the arab countries whom has wars n political porblems , and u can see who many arabs lives there from IRAQ , PALESTIANE and all them r happy 2 live there , all my regards n peace 4 this nice country
2012-03-17 10:22:33
lol and Russia has problems with orthodoxy :D
atheistic country, but fucking propaganda of christianity is everywhere :DD
atheistic country, but fucking propaganda of christianity is everywhere :DD
2012-03-17 10:36:14
What i can see from your posts, hateful or not, racist or not, is that the crushing majority of you are talking about muslims as a group and that says a lot. We recently had a discussion about multiculturalism and it's failure and the conclusion was that people and countries, in their forced desire to integrate immigrants, offered the group benefits and did not focus their attention toward each individual and its capabilities and the value that he brings to the community.This created hate and scapegoats to drift the attention from other problems.
When you refer to somebody as a Muslim, Christian or Mexican, Spanish etc you are expressing somewhat a preconception, whether conscious or not. Next time that Muslim is just Murat, that Christian is just John, that Mexican is Juan etc. However, from what I can see hate is just another way to create hate and finally benefit some nationalist parties that thrive on this.
Peace.
When you refer to somebody as a Muslim, Christian or Mexican, Spanish etc you are expressing somewhat a preconception, whether conscious or not. Next time that Muslim is just Murat, that Christian is just John, that Mexican is Juan etc. However, from what I can see hate is just another way to create hate and finally benefit some nationalist parties that thrive on this.
Peace.
2012-03-17 11:53:35
yes our goverment is a dictator ship, recently the govenor of Gotland wanted to multiculturalize the island that is 96% swedish. this old lady got masses of hatemail and complaints. She said: "im suprised, sad and dissapointed." like we swedish people never opposed this ridicolus, false, multicultural utopia.. and later she threatned the complainers that employers will look them up!!
this island has very ancient history. once home of the Gutar with a distinct scandinavian language. plus the village Visby is the oldest city in sweden. but it shall be sacrified on the socialist altar.
this island dont need immigrants, it already got high unemployment and lack of lodgement.
Post edited 2012-03-17 12:16:56
this island has very ancient history. once home of the Gutar with a distinct scandinavian language. plus the village Visby is the oldest city in sweden. but it shall be sacrified on the socialist altar.
this island dont need immigrants, it already got high unemployment and lack of lodgement.
Post edited 2012-03-17 12:16:56
2012-03-17 12:12:14
Great to see that people in "multicultural" countries are actually against this shitty stuff.
2012-03-17 12:52:15
In Poland we don't have problems with muslims because no one wants to live here hahaha
2012-03-17 12:52:34
yea but there is alot of polish people in sweden xD
2012-03-17 13:33:52
I dont understand why everyones labelling it as "muslims" being the problem and muslims dont wear turbans.
2012-03-17 13:37:34
I'm surprised this topic is still open. No insults or racist comments.. I'm shocked. Don't tell me our community got a little bit more mature! :o
2012-03-17 14:01:32
Maybe while muslims are taking this topic seriously noone left to troll :)
2012-03-17 14:13:21
me personally dont want see muslims in my city, maybe i'm a racist
2012-03-17 14:21:00
No, you are not racist.
2012-03-17 15:29:30
"Since big part of hltv.org community is swedish"
ME STRONG, YOU WRONG :(
ME STRONG, YOU WRONG :(
2012-03-17 14:23:11
First, I have to say that I am quite impressed that we are all just exchanging opinions without too much of fight or insults.
This is really nice, and I appreciate that we can have this kind of discussion as citizens of the world.
I'm glad to see that a platform like hltv.org, which was definitely not designed for this purpose, can gather so much people from everywhere around the world. Good to see that CS gathers :)
To add my contribution to this discussion, many of you mentioned emigrants integration and assimilation.
I think it has to be noticed that integration can be really different depending on nationalities and/or ethnic group.
I mean, let's talk about asians.
You can go in nearly every country with asians communities, they truly work hard, and are very business focused.
Ok, they tend to live with their owns, in certain areas like the chinatowns they build, some of them might not talk very well the country's language, but at least, THEY DON'T FUCK AROUND !
Another good example to me is the lebanese community.
Honestly, how often did you have problems with asians or lebanese emigrants ?
I mean, for me there are two options ;
either people totally assimilate, traditions, languages and stuff
or they don't assimilate that much, stay with themselves, but accept the main principles (law etc), and don't try to impose their beliefs and traditions to others.
Post edited 2012-03-17 15:18:13
This is really nice, and I appreciate that we can have this kind of discussion as citizens of the world.
I'm glad to see that a platform like hltv.org, which was definitely not designed for this purpose, can gather so much people from everywhere around the world. Good to see that CS gathers :)
To add my contribution to this discussion, many of you mentioned emigrants integration and assimilation.
I think it has to be noticed that integration can be really different depending on nationalities and/or ethnic group.
I mean, let's talk about asians.
You can go in nearly every country with asians communities, they truly work hard, and are very business focused.
Ok, they tend to live with their owns, in certain areas like the chinatowns they build, some of them might not talk very well the country's language, but at least, THEY DON'T FUCK AROUND !
Another good example to me is the lebanese community.
Honestly, how often did you have problems with asians or lebanese emigrants ?
I mean, for me there are two options ;
either people totally assimilate, traditions, languages and stuff
or they don't assimilate that much, stay with themselves, but accept the main principles (law etc), and don't try to impose their beliefs and traditions to others.
Post edited 2012-03-17 15:18:13
2012-03-17 15:17:15
Why you guys trust your press and your methods, it's all have been done by USA to hide the truth and be more "Sympathetic" with Israel and USA agaisnt the muslims..
2012-03-17 15:38:10
oh please..
2012-03-17 16:09:37
people seek a new-better life so what they don`t get in their country they look for in another one, don`t think it has much to do about religion (only if religion is the reason of having a disturbing life in ur own country)
2012-03-17 16:03:47
what is wrong being a muslim?.
2012-03-17 16:06:14
nothing :D , probably they will call you a terrorist/immigrant/lazy etc ..
2012-03-17 16:08:28
Lazy? im a muslim and im proud being that Lazy? with out Saudi Arabien, and they oil american will have gone concurse.
Sorry for bad english
Sorry for bad english
2012-03-17 16:10:16
not just Saudia , Every Muslim country is rich , every country has oil IRAN,IRAQ,JORDAN,SYRIA,EGYPT,KUWAIT,UAE and so on .. u can say without Muslim country no country can run ..
2012-03-17 16:14:04
indeed. but ppl can only see "some" muslim ppl that are lazy, but they never look at the ppl that working and got a good education.
2012-03-17 16:16:28
true .. even though i have never seen any muslim lazy/not doing anything , but what can we say they have there opinions ..
2012-03-17 16:18:11
and when gas and oil end?
EDIT: cuz being rich trading raw resources is nothing you can be proud of.
Post edited 2012-03-17 16:57:11
EDIT: cuz being rich trading raw resources is nothing you can be proud of.
Post edited 2012-03-17 16:57:11
2012-03-17 16:55:25
When these muslim countries would have emptied the whole gas and oil around them, US citizens would've probably been nowhere, all would die. But since they are stealing the oil, they're surviving pretty much ;)
2012-03-17 17:57:20
nobody would die. in 20-30 years renewable energy will be fully in charge.
2012-03-17 21:04:11
these are natural resources , we have plenty of them :D
2012-03-17 19:13:10
Oh really? Imagine, if all muslims would become jew, christian or non-believer, the oil will disapper? This is non-sense.
The oil has nothing to do with the religion of people.
The oil has nothing to do with the religion of people.
2012-03-17 17:03:38
Guys, you can't blame Islam for this. It has nothing to do with that. Afaik most Muslims are actually very hardworking and disciplined, but they have their idiots aswell as we do.
Also Islam is fine, you people seem to believe they're all the same, but it also depends on where they're from. But boy, I am not a fan of a few specific countries, and considering I am from UK you can probably guess which, but I am not gonna start a discussion.
Also Islam is fine, you people seem to believe they're all the same, but it also depends on where they're from. But boy, I am not a fan of a few specific countries, and considering I am from UK you can probably guess which, but I am not gonna start a discussion.
2012-03-17 17:05:48
which ? MINE ? xD
2012-03-17 17:09:00
Because you know you can't win an argument, if you are on the muslims side
2012-03-17 17:10:31
I didn't want to start a discussion about the countries I don't like.
And I am not on any 'side', but if I had to pick I would just go for my country. And in the first religious topic I actually had quite a few unlucky statements regarding muslims. And yeah I hate some muslims, but that is because I dislike their personality, not their faith. And I also hate some christians you know.
And I am not on any 'side', but if I had to pick I would just go for my country. And in the first religious topic I actually had quite a few unlucky statements regarding muslims. And yeah I hate some muslims, but that is because I dislike their personality, not their faith. And I also hate some christians you know.
2012-03-17 17:22:46
You think religion doesn't affect personality? I don't think so.
Look at the people who loves his/her religion too much and you will see same dispositions on them
Look at the people who loves his/her religion too much and you will see same dispositions on them
2012-03-17 17:33:41
Of course it affects personality in some way. Oh and "loves his/her religion too much", please do not get me wrong, I dont like extremists. But may I ask you, do you dislike all Muslims?and if you do, why?
2012-03-17 18:03:54
Of course not. For me, hating some for his/her religion or skin colour (racism) is false. No one choose his race and religion by himself (at least until age of 15-18)
2012-03-17 18:11:00
Alright, but why did you start to argue then? I am sorry but I don't think I got your point then
2012-03-17 19:51:36
I said, I don't hate all of them.
There are people who never asked himself "what if I'm wrong?" And most of them are religious people. Its coming from religion. It says "You are right, pray me, others are wrong, they are evil people". And thats why the most of religious people post hate messages here. They think they are wise and good people, and non-religious people are stupid and evil.
But non-religious people know that there is no connection between Creator and religion and some of them (atheists) deny God. And I think atheism really makes more sense than any religion.
Of course there are also religious people who respect every single normal persons opinion, but they are not so many I see.
There are people who never asked himself "what if I'm wrong?" And most of them are religious people. Its coming from religion. It says "You are right, pray me, others are wrong, they are evil people". And thats why the most of religious people post hate messages here. They think they are wise and good people, and non-religious people are stupid and evil.
But non-religious people know that there is no connection between Creator and religion and some of them (atheists) deny God. And I think atheism really makes more sense than any religion.
Of course there are also religious people who respect every single normal persons opinion, but they are not so many I see.
2012-03-17 21:10:42
I am an atheist myself, and not an agnostic. But I still don't hate them for believing in it. What I hate is if they start trying to convince me that they're right and I am wrong and shit. I mean I don't tell then that they're wrong or anything, even though I believe they are.
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2012-03-17 21:20:37
I'm apatheist and I don't care about God.
Like you said, I hate they saying that I'm wrong.
But in this forum they are doing worse than saying I'm wrong. They are starting to insult me, but I understand them, this agression comes from religion and being feeble
Like you said, I hate they saying that I'm wrong.
But in this forum they are doing worse than saying I'm wrong. They are starting to insult me, but I understand them, this agression comes from religion and being feeble
2012-03-17 21:25:57
when u starting saying some bad things about islam, ofc we will say the same thing 2 u.
U dont know the whole story about islam, and if islam is the wrong religion, why the heck is almost half of the earth muslim?
Sorry for my bad english.
U dont know the whole story about islam, and if islam is the wrong religion, why the heck is almost half of the earth muslim?
Sorry for my bad english.
2012-03-18 14:05:24
Bad things? Reality kicks you hard, I see.
Half of Earth? There are 7 billion people on the Earth. There are only 1.3 billion muslims, 2.2 billion christians.
You see, christians are more than muslims in the world. So this means christians are right? Do you really think I'll argue with a man who thinks "quanity=quality"?
Half of Earth? There are 7 billion people on the Earth. There are only 1.3 billion muslims, 2.2 billion christians.
You see, christians are more than muslims in the world. So this means christians are right? Do you really think I'll argue with a man who thinks "quanity=quality"?
2012-03-18 14:28:42
Lol, in that case, then being religious is being good. Because you get some limits you have to stick to like not drinking alchohol and killing people, and give to the poor and so much more. While the non-relgious - it's up to their greedy heart to follow these rules.
2012-03-17 18:08:45
You don't kill people because it's not written in the Koran. You help people to go to Heaven.
We don't kill people because it's against humanity. We help people for humanity
Thats why wise people don't need religion like you
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We don't kill people because it's against humanity. We help people for humanity
Thats why wise people don't need religion like you
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2012-03-17 18:14:53
But not all are wise appaerently, so how are you gonna get it through their head ?
2012-03-17 18:15:50
Like you? Assuming you are religious..
2012-03-19 13:19:10
"We don't kill people because it's against humanity. We help people for humanity"
Right.. hundreds and hundreds innocent Palestinians getting killed everyday by Israel army.
Right.. hundreds and hundreds innocent Palestinians getting killed everyday by Israel army.
2012-03-19 00:23:31
What I have to do with Israel government? I don't even live in Israel. And I don't support war.
How this war looks to you? Jews killing muslims, huh? But its not. Its just governments, politics and interests killing people. You can't blame all jews for this war, this is non-sense.
And also I have an argument why Israel wants to be bigger and stronger country in that area. But its too long, and I'm not sure you will understand. Also it has nothing about this thread
How this war looks to you? Jews killing muslims, huh? But its not. Its just governments, politics and interests killing people. You can't blame all jews for this war, this is non-sense.
And also I have an argument why Israel wants to be bigger and stronger country in that area. But its too long, and I'm not sure you will understand. Also it has nothing about this thread
2012-03-19 01:05:37
"but that is because I dislike their personality, not their faith."
Well said.
Well said.
2012-03-18 22:00:55
Hahaha, the main question is: Do the muslams cause problems for Sweden/Norway or whereever? If yes, mention one, for example. If not, you're just overrating it. I have a friend that his family and parents are muslams, they're arabs and he is still a nice guy, i have no problems with him, although he doesn't speak portuguese very well
2012-03-17 18:38:16
Dude, you obviously have never been to either Sweden or Norway.
2012-03-20 04:23:16
You're right, I have never been outside Brazil, btw, have you ever seen a brazilian in Finland? Do they cause problems for you guys? Just curious
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2012-03-20 17:32:12
I don't know any Brazilian. But as far as I know, Brazilians haven't been the biggest problem in Finland.
I've even heard of a well known a Capeoira Gym, in Helsinki. Never been there, though.
I've even heard of a well known a Capeoira Gym, in Helsinki. Never been there, though.
2012-03-20 20:59:50
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/425..
2012-03-17 19:22:20
Yes, its a huge problems allover the country, i know people that doesnt dare to go out because of their fear of being raped and robbed by the muslim population.
2012-03-17 19:24:26
ok , so now they also rape ? nice ..
2012-03-17 19:28:35
Yes, "they" do. Statistics show that the vast majority of rapes are done by non-western immigrants even though they're a part of a minority. At least in Norway, and I doubt it's any different in Sweden which have even more immigrants.
Just stating facts, bro. I know most Muslims aren't rapists, but most rapists(in Scandinavia) are Muslims or come from Muslim nations.
Just stating facts, bro. I know most Muslims aren't rapists, but most rapists(in Scandinavia) are Muslims or come from Muslim nations.
2012-03-18 16:35:12
Hahaha, sorry but you have no right to call muslims that rape, muslims. 'cause that automatically makes them non-muslims. Denying Gods words-> not following Islam->therefore not a muslim.
2012-03-17 19:59:29
The so called(by themselves) "muslims", are raping a lot. It's a fact. We're not making it up, dude.
2012-03-18 12:15:19
The idea of muslims slowly taking over is actually terryfring.
2012-03-17 20:12:19
hehe in some parts of germany its the same, my little sister went to an elementary school and she was one of only 7 "germans" ^^
but no problme since most not german people in germany are alright
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but no problme since most not german people in germany are alright
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2012-03-17 20:14:28
hahahaha its really interesting after 2050 half of germany gonna be turkish i dont know if you laugh or cry about this xD
2012-03-18 11:54:32
I dont know whats up with the world...Why only Muslims are the bad people??2nd Why Afghanistan Talibans are hated around the world while they are fighting for their freedom??3rd Why dont you people hate the U.S army for what they did to the innocent people in Afghanistan and Iraq they considered them as terrorists and put them into certain jails where they are treated like dogs tortured and murdered and then they say he died frm a natural disorder.I know this is not the right place to discuss this particular topic but i thought its the only chance for me to express my feelings.Watch this shocking documentary film named 'Taxi to the Darkside' and maybe u ppl will change ur attitude towards Muslims.
PEACE
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PEACE
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2012-03-17 20:41:07
do you really think they will change there attitude ? specially with some idiots around here ?
2012-03-17 20:44:46
"2nd Why Afghanistan Talibans are hated around the world while they are fighting for their freedom??"
Have you seen their methods? And if you're gonna answer, please dont use the US army argument again, because both are killing innocent people.
Have you seen their methods? And if you're gonna answer, please dont use the US army argument again, because both are killing innocent people.
2012-03-17 21:36:59
tbh , these taliban have caused more damage to muslim countries then another country in this world ..
2012-03-17 21:39:25
yes they have, so why shouldn't be hate them?
2012-03-17 21:44:30
well we sure do hate them , i would even kill some taliban if i capture .. but doing war against them is wrong , i m not defending them , there should have been a political debate etc but killing innocent people making taliban increase also strong ..
2012-03-17 21:47:37
yes that is true, but he asked why we are hating them when they're just fighting for freedom
2012-03-17 21:50:19
lol , he's just a idiot troller :|
2012-03-17 21:56:21
http://www.flickr.com/photos/crusader009/686713550..
2012-03-25 09:27:10
Why all muslims talk about USA and media news? You think all muslims are good people and its just media lies?
I live in a country where 80% people are muslims, I see them everywhere, everyminute. And 70% of them would kill all non-reigious people if there wasn't any law. Fortunately, 30% of them are normal religious people and I'm trying to be friend only with them :)
I live in a country where 80% people are muslims, I see them everywhere, everyminute. And 70% of them would kill all non-reigious people if there wasn't any law. Fortunately, 30% of them are normal religious people and I'm trying to be friend only with them :)
2012-03-17 21:33:25
Where are you from?
2012-03-18 01:42:47
From Earth. You are racist I see. Does it really matter where I live, where I am from?
2012-03-18 11:30:22
its just curiosity nothing more where are you from?
2012-03-18 11:56:40
Guys We are all humans don't let the region divide us =(
If You're Muslim That's OK
If You're Christian That's Fine !
If You're Jew That's Ok too ...
If You're Muslim That's OK
If You're Christian That's Fine !
If You're Jew That's Ok too ...
2012-03-17 21:36:52
tell it to them when they come to take your house
2012-03-18 06:28:44
a big reason for the hate against muslims could be rape statistics. In finland 3% of the population are immigrants, yet 20% of rapes are caused by immigrants. Dunno about sweden but finnish people get very pissed off about this, and please don't label me as a racist for just stating some statistics, cause im not.
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2012-03-17 21:38:59
I dont have any facts, but I have heard that the ratio is something similar in here in sweden. A little higher percentage of both numbers. As I have not seen any sources, but alot of people who are angry wtih the same thing presents this.
2012-03-18 01:58:53
Here in Oslo, almost every rape is done by non-western immigrants. And with almost every rape I mean 90-100%.
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article302..
http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?ar..
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article302..
http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?ar..
2012-03-18 03:10:41
Well well, religions sure know how to unite people..
2012-03-17 21:40:57
Guys It's www.hltv.org ...
2012-03-17 21:41:57
+1
...so join everybody all over the world and try to save Counter-Strike scene :).
...so join everybody all over the world and try to save Counter-Strike scene :).
2012-03-18 01:32:23
Oh these left-wingers tilting me so much. Emigrants = problem. Muslim emigrants, even worse...
I am going vomit now, see you later. Good bye Europe, you humane wimp :(
I am going vomit now, see you later. Good bye Europe, you humane wimp :(
2012-03-18 03:56:42
Well I don't see where is the big problem in muslim emigrants?
oh are you afraid from terrorism? well I can tell you some numbers:
there is 1 billion and 300 million muslim in the world
only 300 million of them are arabs
only few hundreds of muslims are terrorist..
oh are you afraid from terrorism? well I can tell you some numbers:
there is 1 billion and 300 million muslim in the world
only 300 million of them are arabs
only few hundreds of muslims are terrorist..
2012-03-18 09:32:40
few hundreds really ???
The main question is how many of them are extremists. I guess majority.
The main question is how many of them are extremists. I guess majority.
2012-03-18 12:37:39
Well I don't see where is the big problem in muslim emigrants?
How about high risks of civil wars and Europe turning into a middle east like area? We see parallel societies all over Europe already. What will happen when these areas expand and eventually become a majority? Why would anyone that likes the west as it is gamble with these risks? It's common sense that a strong and stable society is build by people that share the same traditions, respect the same laws and rules - a homogenous group. Everyone can become a part of that group by integrate or assimilate. But that's not whats happening right now
How about high risks of civil wars and Europe turning into a middle east like area? We see parallel societies all over Europe already. What will happen when these areas expand and eventually become a majority? Why would anyone that likes the west as it is gamble with these risks? It's common sense that a strong and stable society is build by people that share the same traditions, respect the same laws and rules - a homogenous group. Everyone can become a part of that group by integrate or assimilate. But that's not whats happening right now
2012-03-19 00:33:51
You are kinda right, but remember not all muslims are that way, I mean there tons of muslims who leaves in europe and are integrated in the society perfectly, there are other muslims (and I don't want to call them muslims) who are just dog-headed and doesn't accept the other's religion. In fact, Islam urges us to respect every religion but to try to convince them peacefully..
2012-03-19 09:17:19
people should mostly live where they belong to. Europeans in europe, africans in africa and so on.. and there wont be any racist problems ever :p
2012-03-18 09:52:01
if somebody come to you today and offer to move to sweden/us/norway (any country with better conditions of life) to live there what will you answer? "i'll stay here forever cause it's my motherland"?
2012-03-18 18:06:47
Immigrants have been a huge problem in Finland, Norway and Sweden. I don't know about Denmark, though.
I'm not racist. I'm just stating facts.
I'm not racist. I'm just stating facts.
2012-03-18 12:12:30
European muslims are more peaceful compared to those in here. My brother who lives there says so.
2012-03-18 12:29:21
Not just in the Nordic countries, migration is a problem in the whole Western world.
2012-03-18 15:23:03
true, there is no difference between muslim emigrants or any toher emigrants..
2012-03-19 09:19:13
Not to Canada...
2012-03-24 04:50:26
I dont like that race who live in the water and in artificial islands and who wears football shirts with a color not present in the national flag, that is so f**** annoying
2012-03-18 14:28:08
really good arguments bro...
http://markinternational.hubpages.com/hub/Top-10-b..
where is panama?
actually the whole panama economy is made by ex nazis or other criminals...
when we face a national threat we come together to make a solution and not just a solution...
http://knowledge.allianz.com/health/natural_disast../netherlands-taming-water-wolf-disaster-protection
then again orange... Orange is the national colour of the Netherlands. This comes from the history of the Dutch people and the person that lead them into their independance. William I of Orange (also known as "William the Silent" and "Father of the Fatherland") organized the Dutch revolt against Spanish rule, which after the Eighty Years' War led to an independent Dutch state. William of Orange was befriended by Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor and his son Philip.
The flag of Prince of Orange is orange/white/blue.
some tips for the next time you want to discriminate:
do your homework before you discriminate, choose a better country to live in, choose a better country to discriminate
http://markinternational.hubpages.com/hub/Top-10-b..
where is panama?
actually the whole panama economy is made by ex nazis or other criminals...
when we face a national threat we come together to make a solution and not just a solution...
http://knowledge.allianz.com/health/natural_disast../netherlands-taming-water-wolf-disaster-protection
then again orange... Orange is the national colour of the Netherlands. This comes from the history of the Dutch people and the person that lead them into their independance. William I of Orange (also known as "William the Silent" and "Father of the Fatherland") organized the Dutch revolt against Spanish rule, which after the Eighty Years' War led to an independent Dutch state. William of Orange was befriended by Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor and his son Philip.
The flag of Prince of Orange is orange/white/blue.
some tips for the next time you want to discriminate:
do your homework before you discriminate, choose a better country to live in, choose a better country to discriminate
2012-03-18 14:35:59
Not saying that I disagree with you, but that link... Dear lord... The US at #4? Is that guy demented?
2012-03-24 08:44:09
What's wrong with the US?
2012-03-24 21:21:25
Nothing as such, but as far living standards go in the developed world, the US really cannot compete.
2012-03-24 23:18:49
I seriously doubt this.... for me US is a truly first world country, students there get of their family homes very early in life not like the rest in the world... I would like to know why you think that, minimum wage is enough to live alright... not like in the rest of the world.
2012-03-24 23:31:50
Read again what I wrote.
2012-03-25 00:12:31
why do you think US doesn't deserve 4th place?
2012-03-25 01:40:39
Right, look at this for example:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/pf_article_107980.ht..
The US ranks #3 as far as income distribution inequality goes.
As far as your previous post goes - sure people move out early, but that's because the US is vast and there's a lot of land. The age of the average homeowner has increased by 15y over the last generation in the UK. In European countries, land is scant and hence expensive.
Not to mention the job market and how you graduate from uni with ~100k debt and how you need a university degree to work in McDonald's.
The list goes on.
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/pf_article_107980.ht..
The US ranks #3 as far as income distribution inequality goes.
As far as your previous post goes - sure people move out early, but that's because the US is vast and there's a lot of land. The age of the average homeowner has increased by 15y over the last generation in the UK. In European countries, land is scant and hence expensive.
Not to mention the job market and how you graduate from uni with ~100k debt and how you need a university degree to work in McDonald's.
The list goes on.
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2012-03-25 03:47:25
For the last time, this is not a thread about religion. If you want to discuss on that issue there is a nice thread about it.
In the same way, if you plan to post only nonsense or think this is the right place to insult people that express their opinions and you do not agree with it, think twice before doing so or the site staff will take care of you.
Post edited 2012-03-19 23:15:01
In the same way, if you plan to post only nonsense or think this is the right place to insult people that express their opinions and you do not agree with it, think twice before doing so or the site staff will take care of you.
Post edited 2012-03-19 23:15:01
2012-03-19 23:14:11
The only point that annoys me is that the immigrants don't have respect at all. They come to germany and think they're "cool"????
Russians and turkish kind of hate each other in germany but in their home country they do not. I don't get it. And of course not all are like that.
just my 2 cents
Russians and turkish kind of hate each other in germany but in their home country they do not. I don't get it. And of course not all are like that.
just my 2 cents
2012-03-20 13:10:10
so whats the problem of having muslims on sweden , we are all people!
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2012-03-20 13:25:30
It's Musjid Not mosque..
2012-03-22 13:21:52
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/..
2012-03-22 13:54:59
True. But don't tell it americans ;) A friend of mine attended ethnic classes in Sydney with half class being american. It wasn't suspicious to any of them that all the action takes place where the oil is located :):):)
2012-03-23 22:25:33
1/3 of malmo :)
and they're just growing :)
and they're just growing :)
2012-03-23 19:57:07
I visited Sweden many times in the past from large cities like goetheborg and stockholm to small villages in the middle of nowhere, and can truthfully say there are muslims but it is in no way near to what you saw in that "documentary". Sweden still consists of Swedish people if you will :P
2012-03-23 22:42:42
there's nothing U can do...
2012-03-23 23:37:53
The problem is not "Muslims in Sweden" but "immigrants who don't car about anything"!
2012-03-24 18:49:13
I really hope religion will be forbidden soon... It's a piece of shit...
2012-03-24 21:19:07
+ 100 religion is the biggest problem in the world! If not this shit and stupid fairytale!
2012-03-24 21:28:23
You'll die in 50 or 60 years, you will have achieved nothing, you won't exist anymore, imagine that you don't exist.. Yea.. Gl
2012-03-24 21:33:36
Atleast you didn't live by some made up rules and wasting time praying to a non-existent dude in the sky
2012-03-24 21:42:24
may be the soul of a person not depends of God but by some mathematic/cosmic rules, who knows. I can't imagine that dinosaurs had God or some insects. People belive in God, just because they are stupid... sad...
2012-03-24 21:56:12
True, scientists over the ages, used to believe in god. But no they're stupid, you're the clever one, i mean let's just compare what you did with chrisitan and muslim scientists, or any other scientist who believed in god, Shit ! but at the end you're the smart one of course and they're stupid
2012-03-24 22:06:57
And how to control "little minded" people?
2012-03-24 21:39:57
Damn, i'm really scared like wtf !! i'm a muslim and i never knew you guys hated us so much O_o, hate the ppl don't hate the religion. And i dunno why but it seems like, most of ppl here met some terrorists, bcoz saying that muslims are violent and do illegal stuff, that's a false accusation. Islam has a special respect for laws... so you should stop using the term "muslim" for any bearded guy, coz most ppl who claim they're muslims but ignore the teachings aren't rly muslims.
2012-03-24 21:32:19
Yeah, killing whoever turns from Islam, I love these laws
2012-03-24 21:43:25
YES, there is too many muslims out there, is there a probem with that?
2012-03-24 22:31:50
I can't believe so many people here waste their time discussing about religion, it's pointless
2012-03-24 23:07:36
+1 this topic never dies, LOL.
945 posts already
945 posts already
2012-03-25 03:52:32
http://www.flickr.com/photos/crusader009/686713550..
2012-03-25 09:21:37
Muslims is very good peoples
2012-03-25 09:45:43
Here in Spain, 90 % of crimes are made by inmigrants (not invented, real stadistic), most of them arabic people. We spanish people try not to be racist, but is quite hard. When we went to other countries in the fourties, fifties and sixties, we tried to do the best and work hard just to feed our families in a weak and fascist spain, but our behaviour was very good. Our grandparents have been fighting so hard to have the pleasure of living decently, and now our rights have been stolen by helping the inmigrants, putting us (original spaniards) in a second level. If you mix that with the worst employ planification all arround Europe you have what we have. 5 million unemployed people and growing. Sad, very sad.
I respect all the people from the muslim countries, but not the garbage who usually comes to Spain.
I respect all the people from the muslim countries, but not the garbage who usually comes to Spain.
2012-03-25 10:01:39
I like imigrants bot dont like fanatic imigrant.Fanatic imigrants are problem for country and community.
2012-03-25 14:10:09
Why spread discrimination about religion in HLTV.org
its good to discuss Cs1.6 so better we discuss that only
What say friends?
its good to discuss Cs1.6 so better we discuss that only
What say friends?
2012-03-25 19:13:24
Well, to some degree. It is a problem where they all live in the same area, which often they do. Muslims who adapt to the society fit in very well, however, many muslims only keep to themselves. From my own experience muslims in general are more aggressive.
This week, a Swedish and a muslim got in a fight in the local school. The muslim got his ass whopped and for most swedes, losing a fair fight would be the end of it. But no, he decides to show up with his 3 year older friends and break his legs with baseball bats... The worst part is I've got many stories like this one.
I have a friend who is muslim and he agrees, in his words: arabs needs to chill the fuck out.
Not all are like this, but they are largely overrepresentated compared to us natives.
Post edited 2012-03-25 23:07:42
This week, a Swedish and a muslim got in a fight in the local school. The muslim got his ass whopped and for most swedes, losing a fair fight would be the end of it. But no, he decides to show up with his 3 year older friends and break his legs with baseball bats... The worst part is I've got many stories like this one.
I have a friend who is muslim and he agrees, in his words: arabs needs to chill the fuck out.
Not all are like this, but they are largely overrepresentated compared to us natives.
Post edited 2012-03-25 23:07:42
2012-03-25 23:05:02
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