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Well I want to see people opinion why SK are playing so badly. I want to hear your opinion about it. Dont write who to cut from team and so on (it's stupid).
IMO RobbaN strats are bad, very easy for opponents to read, and second, they are playing to passive.
BTW, really disappointed in f0rest performance. Really, should have performed better. Struggling with AWP big time against WinFakt.
IMO RobbaN strats are bad, very easy for opponents to read, and second, they are playing to passive.
BTW, really disappointed in f0rest performance. Really, should have performed better. Struggling with AWP big time against WinFakt.
SK don't play with strategies.
They just individuals rushing together trying to outaim the other team.
They just individuals rushing together trying to outaim the other team.
2012-04-07 22:48:47
+1
but I would blame robban for to simple strats.
Post edited 2012-04-07 22:55:24
but I would blame robban for to simple strats.
Post edited 2012-04-07 22:55:24
2012-04-07 22:54:07
Ofc they are playing with strats..
2012-04-08 11:36:18
they are but the starts are too simple... they just playing by the way that they will outaim the other team,but looks like it isnt working... and other teams already understood their playstyle
2012-04-08 11:38:38
Robban old player,new player in sk cnange sityation
2012-04-07 22:49:06
+pronax
2012-04-07 22:54:48
i think threat will fit better :)
2012-04-08 01:03:01
pronax is shit. no pro player in sweden wants to play with him, because they all know he is shit. only users on hltv.org thinks he is other than shit
2012-04-08 01:14:45
not me. I'm surprised even when he gets 200 viewers in his stream. That's a lot for him.
Post edited 2012-04-08 05:39:26
Post edited 2012-04-08 05:39:26
2012-04-08 05:38:48
+1
2012-04-08 16:41:50
here we go again.
SO : sk is a good team with no doubt. but sometimes there are some bad times even on that level. look on esc, they won some weeks ago, and now they have to say byebye..
SO : sk is a good team with no doubt. but sometimes there are some bad times even on that level. look on esc, they won some weeks ago, and now they have to say byebye..
2012-04-07 22:49:17
I wouldn't say anything if SK would have played consistent few weeks ago. ESC will play good again next tournament, but SK played imo even worse this tournament than last
2012-04-07 22:51:04
You say stop talking about cutting someone from a team but there you go with that strats etc are bad...
Please contact with SK via irc, email, facebook, twitter or whatever you like and tell them what to change in strats!
PS! STOP MAKING THESE STUPID THREADS IF YOU KNOW NOTHING!
Please contact with SK via irc, email, facebook, twitter or whatever you like and tell them what to change in strats!
PS! STOP MAKING THESE STUPID THREADS IF YOU KNOW NOTHING!
2012-04-07 23:00:51
you do realise they played really good at IEM world, right? it was pretty much a 50/50 semi vs ESC. TaZ and co even said that they struggled a lot more against SK in the semi than vs Na'Vi in the final.
2012-04-08 13:49:31
SK is a mercenary team, they play only when the prize is good.
That's why I want to see f0rest and GTR back to fnatic, when they played in your best performances
That's why I want to see f0rest and GTR back to fnatic, when they played in your best performances
2012-04-07 22:49:59
Robban out, give a rifles to the trace and take some good awper like Delpan was or Sunde. Then some of the players can try IGL position imo f0rest is experienced 4 that enough. Or just replace him with another IGL ave/threat or someone who will use that players on 120%
2012-04-07 22:51:14
ave? retired..
2012-04-07 23:17:38
So...? Zonic said that ave accepted his offer a few months ago, so he would want to comeback. Give this team to ave and enjoy a completely new SK.
2012-04-08 00:21:31
i think ave would play with the Danes (zonic, friis, trace, karrigan, arcadion etc.), without at least one of his friends he won't play (just it doesn't fit - ave + SK, even if it would be a great team)
2012-04-08 01:01:47
Well, I don't know that as I don't know what ave thinks. What I would think in his position is that CS is dying and SK would let me work with an incredible team to face the last months of CS. Like a challenge for him.
Anyway it won't happen, we have RobbaN until the end of the days.
Post edited 2012-04-08 01:06:28
Anyway it won't happen, we have RobbaN until the end of the days.
Post edited 2012-04-08 01:06:28
2012-04-08 01:05:41
Well, they look so unmotivated on this tournament. Especially f0rest who buyed AUG in 2nd (iportant) round against Lemondogs and when he was in 1vsX situation on train he was bunnyhopping and gived up without any effort to fight. This isn't just the old agressive SK. They need a motivation and maybe new IGL. Robban should recover or maybe thinking about leave them. They are weak at tactical side.
2012-04-07 22:55:39
what's wrong with AUG ?
2012-04-07 23:05:18
+1
2012-04-07 23:09:28
robban don't have strats and he is a overrated player.face too especially in the last 2 tournaments
2012-04-07 22:55:49
their problem is that they don't have good enough IGL who could manage those sick aimers
2012-04-07 23:02:14
They need one aggressive player like a Delpan :)
> Robban out, Delpan in ! :D
IGL= SK.face
Post edited 2012-04-07 23:04:44
> Robban out, Delpan in ! :D
IGL= SK.face
Post edited 2012-04-07 23:04:44
2012-04-07 23:04:24
+938592385925922
2012-04-08 11:54:45
at least, I agree with you dudes in one thing:
RobbaN, ur time has come :)
RobbaN, ur time has come :)
2012-04-07 23:07:31
imo , in that team is comunication problems with trace ... and i think RobbaN dont know how to use trace , forest , get_right ... Remember how carn used forest , get_right , gux in fnatic times? huh 50 more % tournaments had their. And there wasnt that playstyle just run make hs , there was solid with nice starts , thats way i hate watching sk-gaming , because there cant see anything.
2012-04-07 23:52:05
SK DONT NEED ANY CHANGES ,JUST PRACTIC WITH TRACE.HE DONW NOW SWEDISH THATS EVRYTHING PROBLEM I THINK
2012-04-07 23:57:20
bullshit...watch the games more and then comment
2012-04-08 00:27:08
because the most important thing in this game is teamplay. its simply. taz said 70 % of this game is timeplay
2012-04-08 00:15:55
they dont have any decent teamplay
2012-04-08 00:31:17
My opinion: When you look at strats last year in SK. They had amazing strats, specially on ESWC. Robban knew how to use their key players right and I think Delpan were perfect for team. Now they too defensive. Reason for their bad success is Trace. They have bad communication, their strats are bad now, their gamingstyle sucks.
SK needs fulltime awper who can be very offensive on terrorist. I think if Delpan would join SK again and find motivation (that he had in Dreamhack, gamegune) they could reach TOP1 again.
Ofc with time Trace can probably became more offensive, he can use more AWP and he can learn Swedish better.
SK needs fulltime awper who can be very offensive on terrorist. I think if Delpan would join SK again and find motivation (that he had in Dreamhack, gamegune) they could reach TOP1 again.
Ofc with time Trace can probably became more offensive, he can use more AWP and he can learn Swedish better.
2012-04-08 00:45:33
too big ego will kill your game :D
2012-04-08 01:12:33
Obviously SK need kalle in SK and GTR IGL, like fnatic and WF did.
2012-04-08 01:13:35
They wrong when cut Delpan !
Trace is awesome player but he can't replace Delpan :)
SK play to defensive , they need an agressive player good at aim !
Also what happen? I didn't understand nothing from robban tactics , maybe i'm the only 1
must be a bad day or -trace/face
Trace is awesome player but he can't replace Delpan :)
SK play to defensive , they need an agressive player good at aim !
Also what happen? I didn't understand nothing from robban tactics , maybe i'm the only 1
must be a bad day or -trace/face
2012-04-08 01:20:15
everyone can have their bad day :)
when robban did step up his game like the few first matches, they easily won. so I really believe that unless he does step it up, SK will still struggle to win a major tournament.
when robban did step up his game like the few first matches, they easily won. so I really believe that unless he does step it up, SK will still struggle to win a major tournament.
2012-04-08 01:20:35
robban sucks. simple as that.
SK will disband after this tournament or at least change 1 or 2 players.
SK will disband after this tournament or at least change 1 or 2 players.
2012-04-08 01:24:16
RobbaN doesn't suck. Heaton and Walle talked really highly of him, and I'm sure they know what they're talking about more than we do. Forest and GTR wanted him fnatic too to replace carn, but that didn't happen, so they left fnatic to join SK mostly because of Robban.
Another problem with SK is that they don't have an elite awper. They have guys who can awp in trace,forest, and robban, but are any of them close to Delpan's level? No. Losing delpan was obviously a huge loss for them.
I don't think anything's wrong with their strats. They just need to execute them better. But by the looks of it they might bring in new strats to the next event, and play a little more aggressive, and if that doesn't work out for them then I feel like the SK management is going to make some changes to their roster (probably kicking robban out from the team and maybe face), they may even do it after this event, but I think that would be just stupid.
Another problem with SK is that they don't have an elite awper. They have guys who can awp in trace,forest, and robban, but are any of them close to Delpan's level? No. Losing delpan was obviously a huge loss for them.
I don't think anything's wrong with their strats. They just need to execute them better. But by the looks of it they might bring in new strats to the next event, and play a little more aggressive, and if that doesn't work out for them then I feel like the SK management is going to make some changes to their roster (probably kicking robban out from the team and maybe face), they may even do it after this event, but I think that would be just stupid.
2012-04-08 02:35:13
I've never saw anyone here saying that SK lacked agressive players until lurppis said it in the preview. And now, almost everyone's argument is that they lack agressive players. Looks like a herd of sheeps.
Not saying its not truth, but I don't think thats the main problem for SK. With Delpan, they had a defined playstyle (AWP based). Now, they don't (the same before Delpan joined).
Looking at this, you can say that they need a fulltime AWP and start basing their game in AWP. But I don't think so. The facts are there, the first Delpan's tournaments, SK destroyed everyone. After that, they started to loss because every team already knew how they played.
In summary, SK can't play with a part-time AWP because 'they're not agressive enough'. But they can't play with a fulltime AWP because then every team counter-tactic them.
Whats the problem, then? The problem has a name; RobbaN. His way to lead the team its not fitting correctly. He can't make his players to play as their max. potential and the only way he knows to call strats are based in AWP-structure, which is ineffective after a couple of events.
My final tought; trace, f0rest, GeT_RiGhT and face are great at this game, but their ingame leader is nowhere close from the best leaders. SK needs a new and a decent ingame leader.
Post edited 2012-04-08 03:39:45
Not saying its not truth, but I don't think thats the main problem for SK. With Delpan, they had a defined playstyle (AWP based). Now, they don't (the same before Delpan joined).
Looking at this, you can say that they need a fulltime AWP and start basing their game in AWP. But I don't think so. The facts are there, the first Delpan's tournaments, SK destroyed everyone. After that, they started to loss because every team already knew how they played.
In summary, SK can't play with a part-time AWP because 'they're not agressive enough'. But they can't play with a fulltime AWP because then every team counter-tactic them.
Whats the problem, then? The problem has a name; RobbaN. His way to lead the team its not fitting correctly. He can't make his players to play as their max. potential and the only way he knows to call strats are based in AWP-structure, which is ineffective after a couple of events.
My final tought; trace, f0rest, GeT_RiGhT and face are great at this game, but their ingame leader is nowhere close from the best leaders. SK needs a new and a decent ingame leader.
Post edited 2012-04-08 03:39:45
2012-04-08 03:35:09
True, i agree with you in several aspects. Also, i think one of their problems is the communication. As arcadion said, trace cannot still communicate 100% with all of them. And of course, the main problem is robban.. he must push his players, motivate them.. f0rest, GTR, etc, they need motivation to play at their best which isnt happening simply because they are not motivated.. When delpan joined and they started to win everything their motivation increased a lot, and imo increasing their ego too, making them lose in the end..
2012-04-08 03:58:37
get allen to be SK's new IGL.
2012-04-08 03:58:13
Well imo they didnt play so bad, they could have won some of the games that they lost.. just some desconcentration or bad luck in a couple of maps
2012-04-08 04:07:23
agree,this times sk play so passive,they have the ability to be more aggressive,however,the igl let them too cautious.but the tacticals are very rigid,this is the problem of igl for sure
2012-04-08 05:22:56
that's enough 4 RobbaN ~ i wish he will follow cArn ~
then i wish that delpan will back to dis team
then i wish that delpan will back to dis team
2012-04-08 10:36:19
why the fuck everybody is complaining about SK and not about ESC? They were the team of the year and were eliminated even more early than SK... really, this is pathetic
2012-04-08 11:29:34
because ESC was the team of the year.. won IEM6.. and losing to this event.. is nothing they will continue to winning big events..
While.. Sk.. dont practise at all ... Robban have bad strats and thats the reason...
I am saying this as a SK fan.
While.. Sk.. dont practise at all ... Robban have bad strats and thats the reason...
I am saying this as a SK fan.
2012-04-08 12:40:43
lol, you are contradicting yourself... If ESC was the team of the year, they were the most upset at this tournament, not SK
2012-04-08 13:15:23
i wanted to say that.. because they won the major event.. they can give their selfs some freedom. :D
2012-04-08 13:37:46
-robban +flakyy
2012-04-08 11:30:35
h a t e r s g o n n a h a t e a n d i a m f n a t i c f a n s i n c e 2 0 1 0
2012-04-08 11:33:26
DUDE shit happens
2012-04-08 11:33:59
RoBBaN playing with strats yes and if he gets kicked then gtr or face will probaly take over
2012-04-08 11:38:31
SK has had best roster a long time now, but we haven't seen enough good results for what they have potential. They aren't enough submissive and should practise way more to get top2 results. I'd like to see RobbaN, f0rest or GTR get replaced even if it doesn't make any sense, but fact is that SK has sacrificed so much for f0rest and GTR. Indeed RobbaN should motivate his players, but i wouldn't blame him for bad results.
So:
face to IGL, robban AWP?
robban or f0rest retire
Post edited 2012-04-08 11:47:12
So:
face to IGL, robban AWP?
robban or f0rest retire
Post edited 2012-04-08 11:47:12
2012-04-08 11:43:49
bring back walle to sk !
Walle had some crazy strats but he didnt have the team to pull it off. Now with such a great team hes strats will surely work.
PS : Btw I lost respect for sk , why did they get drunk and cheer for navi during finals. Thats lame.
Post edited 2012-04-08 12:07:32
Walle had some crazy strats but he didnt have the team to pull it off. Now with such a great team hes strats will surely work.
PS : Btw I lost respect for sk , why did they get drunk and cheer for navi during finals. Thats lame.
Post edited 2012-04-08 12:07:32
2012-04-08 12:06:39
walle invented these tactics back in the days which robban uses now.
robban is pretty much copying his old strats and you see they dont work anymore
Post edited 2012-04-08 12:13:33
robban is pretty much copying his old strats and you see they dont work anymore
Post edited 2012-04-08 12:13:33
2012-04-08 12:12:42
robban has simpler strats which depend on aim I guess. But walle had some complex strats which required teamwork.
2012-04-08 12:13:44
i just can say what i see and it reminds me pretty much of walles tactics. espcially on dust2
2012-04-08 12:15:38
lol, they did NOT cheer for navi
2012-04-08 12:34:32
can Noob GTR save SK? hahahah! SK is powerless without walle.
2012-04-08 12:13:18
LOL i love how all of you nerds are making excuses on why sk placced 4th. Has it once ever dawned on you guys that maybe, JUST MAYBE, fnatic Navi and winfakt are just good? AND THAT ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN?
2012-04-08 12:14:16
on paper they should crush everybody
no tactics, no win, they just wait a minute than rush like meat
no tactics, no win, they just wait a minute than rush like meat
2012-04-08 13:55:09
Something they do not
have ... Still, fans want to
win. I hope they will gather
strength, and tear
DreamHack!
have ... Still, fans want to
win. I hope they will gather
strength, and tear
DreamHack!
2012-04-08 22:09:05
No need to blame
Robban ... It is difficult to
collect the entire team,
brains and set up the game.
He must come up with that
realties.
Robban ... It is difficult to
collect the entire team,
brains and set up the game.
He must come up with that
realties.
2012-04-08 22:19:28
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