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Heaton and carn
what the fuck heaton was saying about cArn.....tell me please if neone listened to commentary.....heaton and walle better watch POV's of cArn.
he said that cArn cant aim :D
2012-04-08 01:07:06
IMO cArn is a very good aimer but lacks confidence (most people don't see this) as an individual player. No matter how good you are if you believe in yourself your efforts are useless.
2012-04-08 01:14:03
He WAS a VERY good aimer.
2012-04-08 11:46:04
yea i agree. carn became old, his tactics were always insane even to the end, but his aim didnt improved the last years
2012-04-08 13:48:40
It's not about improving, it's degrading :D
2012-04-08 13:57:50
i dont even think that it degraded. the aim was just different a few years ago and carn stuck on that^^
2012-04-08 13:59:07
Like SpawN's style? :D
For me, even if it's true about carn's ancient style, his initial aim skill is also lower than before.
For me, even if it's true about carn's ancient style, his initial aim skill is also lower than before.
2012-04-08 14:19:15
reflexes are weaker as the time goes on, when you are young, you reflexes are at the highest level, but once you get older they are just decreasing! that could be carn's problem. anyway, every cs player should respect carn!
2012-04-08 15:28:57
I think, that problem can be reversed by doing sports. Unless, he's some 30 or 40 y/os :D
2012-04-08 15:34:50
but maybe being 19 and doing sports isn't equal to being 26 and doing sports, right?
2012-04-08 15:46:57
#107.
2012-04-08 16:06:38
carn is 26 :D and even 27 in a couple of days
2012-04-08 15:57:27
Ronaldinho was around ~25 y/o when he was in his prime :D
2012-04-08 16:06:07
I was just referring to your "30 or 40 y/os" :D
2012-04-08 16:07:55
I know. I was just saying that he could still have done more shit in his 25s, cuz he's not some 30 or 40 y/os :D
2012-04-08 16:16:26
oh man he just 26 WTF 40+ maybe old , why he hasn`t been improved is about lack of motivation and he realize that many things to do in life thats all just like delpan and many other players.
2012-04-08 16:30:56
you think CS 1.6 is a football, basketball or what ?
"reflexes are weaker as the time goes on"
And carn have 26 y/o, not 39 y/o
"reflexes are weaker as the time goes on"
And carn have 26 y/o, not 39 y/o
2012-04-08 16:36:05
you think football, basketball are reflex-based games? these are games based on endurance, strenght, precision, ball control, etc.
reflex is not the most important thing in these as it is in cs. understood?
reflex is not the most important thing in these as it is in cs. understood?
2012-04-08 16:43:31
Man all hltv.org are saying than you are wrong and football and basketball is not based on reflex ? OK....
2012-04-08 16:48:30
+1
2012-04-08 19:20:01
HeatoN was saying that cArn is the best igl in history but he was playing terrible individually, sth like this
2012-04-08 01:07:33
one of the best igl he didnt say "he is the best igl" !
2012-04-08 14:10:30
heaton said " carn is best IGL and one of the best IGL "
2012-04-08 16:32:35
this comment is the best, and one of the best comments.
2012-04-08 18:26:53
Hahahaha +1 xD
2012-04-08 19:26:39
don`t laugh b@%$^
2012-04-09 04:30:31
hahaha lol
2012-04-10 05:12:45
:D
2012-04-09 22:54:38
They said carn was a good igl but bad fragger? i actually agree them.
2012-04-08 01:07:40
yep but he went a bit further than that, he said that he was a pretty good leader but a horrible player and that even him after being away from cs for a few years would have probably been able to do better individually
2012-04-08 13:29:17
did he really say that? wow wtf happened to heaton, thats not cool...
2012-04-09 10:41:00
being considered a "legend" kinda made him cocky
2012-04-09 13:08:55
yea but hes been a legend for like 8 years now, he never seemed to be that cocky until now. And also carn is a legend too, so he should show him more respect.
2012-04-09 22:49:46
well carn only replied, as HeatoN was impolite in the first place imo cArn is right to strike back, and tbh he was right in what he said, HeatoN nowadays sucks and seems totally outdated as a cs player, he commentary shown it
2012-04-09 22:52:05
Even though he isn´t saying cArn wasn´t a good IGL, cArn was a horrible player when it came down to fragging.
Think that pretty much summed it up.
Think that pretty much summed it up.
2012-04-08 01:07:55
More important:
What did they say about Germans?
What did they say about Germans?
2012-04-08 01:08:05
that they dont use helmets (as ct i guess)
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Post edited 2012-04-08 01:10:15
2012-04-08 01:09:48
walle was talking about germans not buying helmets on CT side for economical reasons, and then heaton said "and that's why germans suck at CS.. oh snap".
2012-04-08 01:10:36
i love that kind of comentaries :D
2012-04-08 02:45:22
oh...
lol
lol
2012-04-08 12:40:49
oh snap hahaha :D:D
2012-04-10 05:13:41
I didn't listen to him but if really said that, well, I'm also agree with him.
2012-04-08 01:08:18
As cArn's fanboy i agree with him but he wasn't that bad as HeatoN did when he said i would've frag better than him even tho i didn't play in past years.
2012-04-08 01:08:50
true that, he also said some really annoying things, like when some1 missed an easy shots, he always was liek, I'm sure I would've hit that... WTF?? you were never missing any shots back then?
Also the ladder at small site tuscan (allu)!
On the other hand walle was almost always being realistic, nobody's perfect ffs!
Also the ladder at small site tuscan (allu)!
On the other hand walle was almost always being realistic, nobody's perfect ffs!
2012-04-08 15:29:28
and THIS is the reason why just 1 team isnt on top at one tournament, I mean - SK(ROBBAN) and ESC(KUBEN, he was igl, dont know how its atm)
2012-04-08 01:10:20
They only said the truth, don't get mad. Even if I respect a lot fnatic & cArn, cArn never won WCG or ESWC. and fnatic really sucked for 2 years now. Xizt did a great job as IGL and I think it was definitly a great choice. fnatic won the event by losing only 1 map and cArn should be proud of his decision to retire, admitting he had not what it takes to raise fnatic to the top of the mount once again.
2012-04-08 01:10:35
how did they suck for two years? they won plenty of events.
2012-04-08 01:12:34
but they`re better now , and that`s the whole point they needed a madfragger and that was not something carn was delivering
2012-04-08 01:13:50
How many big events did they actually won since GTR&f0rest left?
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Post edited 2012-04-08 01:15:25
2012-04-08 01:14:55
They won IEM Europe and Dreamhack Winter, and IEM China was kind of big. Actually the 3rd most winning team in 2011. Wouldn't call that sucking.
In comparison WinFakt has yet to win a big event as far as I know. What does one call them then? super amateur?
In comparison WinFakt has yet to win a big event as far as I know. What does one call them then? super amateur?
2012-04-08 01:24:34
first of all its just nonsense to bring winfakt here based on my flag, i didnt claim anything about them.
And atleast ESC-NaVi-SK won more than fnatic.
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IEM Global Challenge Guangzhou was missing ESC, NaVi & SK. So i wouldnt call that an top event.
e: and the whole point was that they maybe was 4th best team with cArn, but now they actually has chance to become nr1
Post edited 2012-04-08 01:37:10
And atleast ESC-NaVi-SK won more than fnatic.
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IEM Global Challenge Guangzhou was missing ESC, NaVi & SK. So i wouldnt call that an top event.
e: and the whole point was that they maybe was 4th best team with cArn, but now they actually has chance to become nr1
Post edited 2012-04-08 01:37:10
2012-04-08 01:33:40
It's not nonsense at all, it was just a comparison.
My point was that they didn't suck, which their titles show. I don't disagree about them having a better chance now.
My point was that they didn't suck, which their titles show. I don't disagree about them having a better chance now.
2012-04-08 01:55:48
+1 LOL why the fuck he got winfakt here .. hahahah fuck epic troll !
2012-04-08 16:52:19
why is he a troll for that? winfakt is a good comparison.
2012-04-09 04:39:33
That finland guy is not talking about winfakt at all. He was talking about fnatic not winning much after forest and gtr left and this guy attacked winfakt just cuz they r also finland lol.Anyway if he really wanted to show winfakt as example. then no wrong.
2012-04-09 04:57:38
In comparison....
Nice monology you got there, now stick to the fnatic-related stuff.
Nice monology you got there, now stick to the fnatic-related stuff.
2012-04-08 13:27:45
So Winfakt as a CS team isn't related to fnatic?
I wrote it to make people(a Finn in this situation) aware of how retarded it is to say that they sucked, as there are many teams not considered sucking that never win anything.
I wrote it to make people(a Finn in this situation) aware of how retarded it is to say that they sucked, as there are many teams not considered sucking that never win anything.
2012-04-08 13:38:10
Dude we were talking about _fnatic_ not comparin fnatic to winfakt, oh yeah the monology involved when the guy had finnish flag...
2012-04-08 14:02:11
Are you retarded or is your national pride too big to make peace with a little remark regarding one of your CS teams?
2012-04-08 14:09:53
Apparently you are the _only_ one retarded here. Do you even know what is monology? I won't explain how stupid is to bring winfakt to this fnatic-related discussion, or call me a retard. We were talking about fnatic and suddenly the discussion went like:
fnatic -> Winfakt -> me "being retarded" in your opinion
Post edited 2012-04-08 14:54:08
fnatic -> Winfakt -> me "being retarded" in your opinion
Post edited 2012-04-08 14:54:08
2012-04-08 14:47:41
Yes, I know what monology means and I wasn't actually doing a monologue at all. A slightly rethorical question you see as irrelevant doesn't equal monology. How long have you been dying to use that word to impress the world with your intellectual mind? rofl
If you can't figure out the reason for comparing fnatic to Winfakt after a perfectly understandable explaination in #72, I'll give up and call it a day. I'm sorry if I hurt your Finnish feelings. If it makes you feel any better, it could've been any other non-winning, respected team in the scene, but WF was the first team I thought of since I was talking to a Finn.
If you can't figure out the reason for comparing fnatic to Winfakt after a perfectly understandable explaination in #72, I'll give up and call it a day. I'm sorry if I hurt your Finnish feelings. If it makes you feel any better, it could've been any other non-winning, respected team in the scene, but WF was the first team I thought of since I was talking to a Finn.
2012-04-08 17:09:58
Well with the same logic, how many top-teams norway has at the moment? Sorry for hurting norwegians' feelings :( im sorry but life is life.
The only reason you are comparing fnatic to winfakt is that a Finn were arguing with you and apparently won so you tried to start other discussion.
And which makes you even losing guy in this argument is that you have to give badnames to me. What a shame
Post edited 2012-04-08 17:32:37
The only reason you are comparing fnatic to winfakt is that a Finn were arguing with you and apparently won so you tried to start other discussion.
And which makes you even losing guy in this argument is that you have to give badnames to me. What a shame
Post edited 2012-04-08 17:32:37
2012-04-08 17:29:28
I don't really care about Norwegian CS, as I'm half Swedish. ;)
It wasn't an attempt to change the subject, but a question regarding what sucking means to some people. His question in that context would suggest that he thought fnatic was a bad team after gtr-forp left. If a team that won three big events in 2011 is considered to suck, where does that leave all of the teams that never made it to the top of the podium a single time, but still are considered good teams? Please explain the logic.
It wasn't an attempt to change the subject, but a question regarding what sucking means to some people. His question in that context would suggest that he thought fnatic was a bad team after gtr-forp left. If a team that won three big events in 2011 is considered to suck, where does that leave all of the teams that never made it to the top of the podium a single time, but still are considered good teams? Please explain the logic.
2012-04-08 17:55:15
No one said that winfakt is better than fnatic so there's no subject to bring WF to this conversation or not to mention about "retardness"
2012-04-08 18:08:38
jeez
2012-04-08 19:52:08
He never said winfakt is good , He was just takling about fnatic. he just tried to say , the combination of 5 ppl with forest n gtr were better than the line up which existed till last month
2012-04-08 16:53:52
mistake! past simple used in wrong way.
2012-04-08 14:35:17
I'm telling you they sucked. Winning titles isn't enough, you need to prove you can win after that, they only won like 2 titles a year, in 2011 they won the IEM European Title and sucked up the rest of the year, getting anal by SK 16-2 16-3. Didn't qualify for WCG and didn't pass the groupstages in the ESWC.
They didn't get a single win against SK last year.
And didn't win against mTw, Na'Vi & FX in bo3 after their IEM European Title (which was in January).
Finally, 2012, they only managed to get 1 win in the brackets of the 3 events they played. Now, i'm telling you they sucked up.
They didn't get a single win against SK last year.
And didn't win against mTw, Na'Vi & FX in bo3 after their IEM European Title (which was in January).
Finally, 2012, they only managed to get 1 win in the brackets of the 3 events they played. Now, i'm telling you they sucked up.
2012-04-08 01:28:18
winning tournaments is kind of the most important thing in any kind of competitive game and sport.
oh, and by the way:
http://www.hltv.org/match/1927153-natus-vincere-fn..
That's one of the few hot matches I found with google from 2011. Making things up to prove a point, are we? :p
oh, and by the way:
http://www.hltv.org/match/1927153-natus-vincere-fn..
That's one of the few hot matches I found with google from 2011. Making things up to prove a point, are we? :p
2012-04-08 02:05:21
You're saying Fnatic sucked for 2 years?
In 2009 they were the #1 team.
In 2010 they were the #2 team, not too far behind Navi.
In 2011 they were top 3 or maybe 4.
And so far in 2012 they have been one of the top teams.
I dont really know what the word "suck" means to you.
In 2009 they were the #1 team.
In 2010 they were the #2 team, not too far behind Navi.
In 2011 they were top 3 or maybe 4.
And so far in 2012 they have been one of the top teams.
I dont really know what the word "suck" means to you.
2012-04-08 03:36:08
2012-2 = 2009 ?
Go to school.
Go to school.
2012-04-08 11:42:50
You should use your brain for more than 2012-2 and you would probably understand what qenia is saying.
2012-04-08 12:47:32
uFail :(
2012-04-08 15:31:49
heaton claimed to still be better nowadays than carn (individual skill wise)
which im sure is complete bullshit. im sure carn would crush him in most 1on1 situations in a 5on5 match situation.
heaton started to flame a lot towards the end. pretty cocky. without his "hi guys im hidin" video and without his famous aztec movie scene he wouldnt be half the legend he is.
which im sure is complete bullshit. im sure carn would crush him in most 1on1 situations in a 5on5 match situation.
heaton started to flame a lot towards the end. pretty cocky. without his "hi guys im hidin" video and without his famous aztec movie scene he wouldnt be half the legend he is.
2012-04-08 01:11:16
I guess you didn't like his comment about germans? :D
HeatoN would obviously be better individually than cArn if he'd become as active as cArn has been for the last years. It's a no-brainer.
HeatoN would obviously be better individually than cArn if he'd become as active as cArn has been for the last years. It's a no-brainer.
2012-04-08 01:16:54
i dont have a problem with the comment he made about germans cos its not true that germans dont buy kevhelm as ct at all.
sometimes germans dont do so yea but mainly on maps where you dont get wallbanged much so i dont care about his comment cos it wasnt 100 % true.
as to the other thing: yes if he'd play as active as carn. but thats not what he said.
he said that he would be better than carn even TODAY after years of nearly not playing at all. he didnt say hed be as good if hed play again for months... and claiming such a thing is just cocky and very stupid.
of course is not the greatest aiming wise etc but his in-game intelligence makes up for a lot of that missing crazy super aim blah what heaton was talking about.
i think heaton wouldnt have even the slightest chance in todays cs. against any top10 of the world clan player.
sometimes germans dont do so yea but mainly on maps where you dont get wallbanged much so i dont care about his comment cos it wasnt 100 % true.
as to the other thing: yes if he'd play as active as carn. but thats not what he said.
he said that he would be better than carn even TODAY after years of nearly not playing at all. he didnt say hed be as good if hed play again for months... and claiming such a thing is just cocky and very stupid.
of course is not the greatest aiming wise etc but his in-game intelligence makes up for a lot of that missing crazy super aim blah what heaton was talking about.
i think heaton wouldnt have even the slightest chance in todays cs. against any top10 of the world clan player.
2012-04-08 01:22:29
fair enough. I do think he'd out-aim cArn today as well though.
2012-04-08 01:27:48
It seems like SK and ex-SK players hate fnatic from some reason... :S
nvm, SK didn't win anything this time with their monster-aimer-mega-awp ultra smart igl robban...
nvm, SK didn't win anything this time with their monster-aimer-mega-awp ultra smart igl robban...
2012-04-08 01:11:31
+1 for Robban
2012-04-08 12:35:26
they dont
2012-04-08 12:37:57
while fnatic won with their mega-monster-"pitayougofirstyoureonfire"-igl?
2012-04-08 13:56:11
no need for pita flame n000000000b
I hate SK cuz they seem like arrogant fags..
I hate SK cuz they seem like arrogant fags..
2012-04-08 14:23:44
wasn't flaming pita at all...but what can one expect from fake fanboys
2012-04-08 15:15:16
-"pitayougofirstyoureonfire"-igl?
lol...
nevermind , I don't give a fuck anyway.. have a nice day.
lol...
nevermind , I don't give a fuck anyway.. have a nice day.
2012-04-08 16:46:27
in what humanly possible way was that a flame towards pita. just because the name was in there doesn't make it a flame "facepalm"
2012-04-09 04:43:42
I sounded to me like a flame,cuz every time when a Bosnian is posting something "offensive" people reply with some pita related shit.. so I got sensitive on that topic.
:)
:)
2012-04-09 14:54:09
He said that even he can frag more then him tho he didnot played for years now :p and now fnatic is strong in his absence and nomater how good is igl but atlest he should frags some kills :p :)
2012-04-08 01:13:09
im totally agree with heatoN, carn was suck as aimer
2012-04-08 01:14:09
True Story
Bad Aimer , but Great IGL
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Bad Aimer , but Great IGL
Post edited 2012-04-08 01:19:14
2012-04-08 01:18:44
one of the best !:]
2012-04-08 01:20:27
I agree with HeatoN, even with the point he can frag better than carn actually
2012-04-08 01:22:53
Atleast HeatoN and walle were interesting to listen to, instead of the usual boring "team x is attacking the A site!(oh, really?)", they made jokes and could relate to the game.
2012-04-08 01:34:01
+1
2012-04-08 02:49:37
-1
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2012-04-08 12:33:34
cry russian baby
2012-04-08 12:38:22
HeatoN is not the best person to say that he is a noob fragger and aimer
2012-04-08 02:35:43
heaton is a huuuge troll and in this stream he dragged walle with him down to his trolling blvd, i dont think you should take much of this seriouse :P
2012-04-08 02:47:46
Guys relax, carn is not a very good aimer since he had to put so much focus into calling and htinking for his team
Otherwise, he was a sick 1on1 and clutch player
HeatoN is being cocky since he knows him. It's jokes
Post edited 2012-04-08 02:53:18
Otherwise, he was a sick 1on1 and clutch player
HeatoN is being cocky since he knows him. It's jokes
Post edited 2012-04-08 02:53:18
2012-04-08 02:53:05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAyfvagjLXY
2012-04-08 11:48:58
that was really pretty good.
2012-04-09 04:45:57
heaton old asshole he play in 1923 with pteradaktel carn good player good capitain
2012-04-08 12:07:59
why u guys blame heaton for truth? Carn wasn't good aimer
2012-04-08 12:17:19
he wasnt but still heaton would definitely NOT frag more than carn in 5on5 situation of today's CS.
cs has changed a lot since heaton was active pro even the individual playing style. and even in his last months or year of playing Heaton was playing poorly.
cs has changed a lot since heaton was active pro even the individual playing style. and even in his last months or year of playing Heaton was playing poorly.
2012-04-08 14:27:00
1on1 aim map go
2012-04-08 12:22:04
he said that carn was a good igl but even he could play better than him when he hasnt played a long time
2012-04-08 12:25:23
he said carn was so horrible and even though he has played cs for years he could still frag more than him.
2012-04-08 12:26:55
Dont hate on heaton and walle. Atleast some1 speaks truth without being politically correct. Good to see.
2012-04-08 12:39:50
Ok MR "Shut tu tu trii bulets, muve shut tu to trii bullets", maybe he is worst aimer than you, but at least his knowledge of the game allows him to overcome you even though he cannot AIM as good as you.
2012-04-08 12:44:33
nice one :)
I still think that carn would kick his ass aim-wise, as a matter of fact any decent player that has been active for the last 2-3 years should be able to kick heaton's ass with ease :)
Post edited 2012-04-08 16:36:05
I still think that carn would kick his ass aim-wise, as a matter of fact any decent player that has been active for the last 2-3 years should be able to kick heaton's ass with ease :)
Post edited 2012-04-08 16:36:05
2012-04-08 16:35:56
he said that, so what's the problem?
2012-04-09 23:42:30
what's the problem? He should have kept his mouth shut, no one came and BM his ass on a stream even though he sucked hard at the end of his career, and to come and say "i could do a better job than carn" is just plain stupid, but heck who am I to judge your brainless legend right?
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2012-04-09 23:50:57
Why so mad? He's not my legend, I didn't even watch cs when he played, but I think he said only truth "carn is one of the best igl, if not best, but terrible aimer". He didn't say, that he could do a better job.
And second, he told his opinion in better way, than you.:)
And second, he told his opinion in better way, than you.:)
2012-04-10 22:58:23
HeatoN is most overrated player
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2012-04-08 13:29:38
Have you ever seen HeatoN's list of tournament wins?
I think you meant to say fury is the most overrated player.
I think you meant to say fury is the most overrated player.
2012-04-08 16:06:17
yeah fury also
Post edited 2012-04-08 16:11:53
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2012-04-08 16:10:58
how can he b overrated where he won 9 cpls n won wcg(no other sweden team has been able 2 win) n went undefeated in 2003? if thats what u call overrated then u r a dummy son
2012-04-09 06:37:22
you cant judge them from this event, it was BYOC, my guess is they will go back to 5-8th when the tournament is supplying PCS and monitors
2012-04-08 13:34:54
Take into consideration that English isn't HeatoN's mother language. It is possible that he didn't want to be that cocky as he actually was with his statement. He is right, cArn wasn't/isn't that good aimer if you compare him with other professional players, but he was one of the best in game leaders ever for sure. This is a fact.
2012-04-08 13:36:39
cArn is one of the best player's in the world that deserves respect , he's not good on 1vX sittuations , now i aggre with the heaton that he said hes a bad aimer just becous of his lack of confidens
but when u see he has some great tactics, great rounds and great leader skillz :]
but when u see he has some great tactics, great rounds and great leader skillz :]
2012-04-08 13:45:21
Heaton flamed on everyone man, what is he thinking that he is the best? Wouw what a faggot.
2012-04-08 14:13:47
he also flamed the germans. walle said they think if you play as CT helmet isnt worth! only kevlar. because if you get an headshot with an ak you die anyways with or without. and heaton said that might be the reason why they suck in cs :DDDDD
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2012-04-08 14:19:40
at one time heaton was the worlds best fragger, carn never was close to top50
igl shit like that, look @ xizt, his igl skills won fnatic this tournament
btw heaton used to steamroll carn and dsn's former teams.
I even remember nip - begrip 16-1 with begrip haveing f0rest tentpole & co with heaton having above 25 on the score board on cpl_mill
igl shit like that, look @ xizt, his igl skills won fnatic this tournament
btw heaton used to steamroll carn and dsn's former teams.
I even remember nip - begrip 16-1 with begrip haveing f0rest tentpole & co with heaton having above 25 on the score board on cpl_mill
2012-04-08 14:23:26
I have to say that HeatoN is the best player. Best players played back then, these days skill level is lower what it was in my active days
2012-04-08 14:36:39
HeatoN was just honest, you guys arent honest even to yourselves, bear with it
2012-04-08 15:20:03
cArn just 2. best CS player in 2007.
Get dunked HiiidN !
Get dunked HiiidN !
2012-04-08 16:00:51
Can´t believe I´m back on the forums again, but this is just ridiculous.
First off all, this comment is made by a player who has not more game sense or tactical knowledge than an average+ player of today´s Counter-Strike - it is a different game than shooting 4K players in the back on Aztec.
Just the fact that they can´t deliver proper insights for the followers of the stream in situations when a player decides to not buy helmet during an over-time with mp_startmoney 10k is beyond my imagination, hello 2012. I´m also surprised that they are not aware of how/when the c4 ticks. I mean....I mean...
Also there seems to be general beliefs that recent retired players sits home and hopes that their ex. teammates will lose early in their first tournament, just to save them some e-credit and face. Personally I´m extremely glad that my guys in Fnatic managed to perform so well in their first tournament, they showed truly amazing chemistry and teamplay and the future is bright for this new young Fnatic. Do you reckon that Alex Ferguson is hoping that Manchester Unites places in the bottom of PL just because he is retired? Come on, if you have been loyal to a team and made great friendship with the group you obviously wish them the best luck they can ever have.
Finally, it´s kinda natural that you don´t have your prime when retirement is approaching, this is something I know well, but still I will not sit here and apologize for any decision I have made in my career. I´m by far the longest serving in-game leader and there are extremely few players that can cope with being a leader year after year as it´s highly affects your individual game. Anyway, I´m certain that there are VERY few players on this planet with better achievements(see attached) than me - something that is indeed quite remarkable for a horrible player like myself.
Over and out folks, big gratz to the medalists of CPH Games!
2003
1st KSD LAN in Karlstad(Sweden)
2nd cXg qualifier in Athens(Greece)
2004
2nd Intel cup in Riga(Latvia)
1st Gamegune in Bilbao(Spain)
4th CPL Winter 2004 in Dallas(USA)
2005
1st Rixhax in Gothenburg(Sweden)
4th Gamegune in Bilbao(Spain)
2006
2nd SHG OPEN 2006 in Fredericia (Denmark)
1st CSCL III finals in Oberhausen(Germany)
1st eGames minitour in Antwerpen(Belgium)
2nd WSVG Sweden stop in Jönköping(Sweden)
2nd ESWC Swedish qualifier in Jönköping(Sweden)
2nd ESWC playoffs in Paris(France)
3rd Intel Summer Cup in Dallas(USA)
1st Kode5 Qualifier in Stockholm(Sweden)
2nd World esport Festival in Qingdao(China)
eSports Team of the Year at Game Convention Leipzig
2nd NGL-one season 1 finals in Leipzig(Germany)
1st CPL World tour in Singapore
3rd WSVG Finals in New york(USA)
1st CPL Winter in Dallas(USA)
2007
3rd IEM finals in Hannover(Germany)
2nd NGL-one season 2 finals in Berlin(Germany) wíth fnatic
2nd WSVG China in Wuhan(China)
1st ESWC Swedish qualifier in Jönköping(Sweden)
3rd ESWC Playoffs in Paris(France)
1st Gamegune 2007 in Bilbao(Spain)
1st E-Stars 2007 in Seoul(South Korea)
1st WCG Sweden Qualifier in Stockholm (Sweden)
1st NGL-one season 3 finals in Leipzig(Germany)
1st Kode5 Sweden in Borås(Sweden)
1st ESL Extreme Masters in Los Angeles(USA)
Voted the 2nd best player in the world by GGL
2008
1st NGL-one season 4 finals in Berlin(Germany)
1st SEC 2008 in Hannover(Germany)
2nd Kode5 finals in Moscow(Russia)
2nd ESWC Masters in Paris(France)
1st E-Stars Continental Cup in Seoul(South Korea) (Team West)
1st ENC finals in Leipzig(Germany) with Team Sweden
1st Kode5 CM Storm Invitational in Leipzig(Germany)
3rd ESWC finals in San José(USA)
1st ESL Intel Extreme Masters Global Challenge Montreal(Canada)
2nd International Esport Festival in Wuhan(China)
2009
1st ESL Extreme Masters Finals in Hanover(Germany)
2nd ESL EPS season 1 in Stockholm(Sweden)
1st ESWC Masters in Cheonan(South Korea)
1st Kode5 finals in Moscow(Russia)
1st Clanbase NationsCup XII(Online) with Team Sweden (Online)
1st E-stars 2009: King of the game in Seoul(South Korea)
1st WCG Sweden Qualifier in Stockholm(Sweden)
1st ENC finals in Cologne(Germany) with Team Sweden
eSports Team of the Year at Gamescom Cologne(Germany)
2nd ESL Intel Extreme Masters Global Challenge Chengdu(China)
1st ESL Intel Extreme Masters Global Challenge Dubai(UAE)
2nd WCG 2009 finals in Chengdu(China)
1st WEM 2009 in Hangzhou(China)
2010
2nd ESL Extreme Masters Continental final in Cologne(Germany)
2nd ESL Extreme Masters Finals in Hanover(Germany)
3rd Arbalet Best of four in Kiev(Ukraine)
1st Arbalet Europe Cup in Stockholm(Sweden)
1st WCG Sweden QUalifier in Jönköping(Sweden)
1st Gamegune 2010 in Bilbao(Spain)
1st IEM Global Challenge in Shanghai(China)
1st E-stars 2010: Continental cup in Seoul(South Korea)
2nd MSI Beat it finals in Beijing(China)
2nd DSRack #3 in Copenhagen(Denmark)
1st Komplett Gamer Challenge #2 in Copenhagen(Denmark)
2011
1st ESL Extreme Masters Continental final in Kiev(Ukraine)
1st Fnatic Play CS1.6 cup (Online)
4th Gamegune 2011 in Bilbao(Spain)
1st IEM Global challenge in Guangzhou(China)
1st MSI Beat it Dreamhack qualifier (online)
2nd MSI Beat it Russia in Kiev(Ukraine)
1st Dreamhack Winter in Jonkoping(Sweden)
2012
4th 1st ESL Extreme Masters Continental final in Kiev(Ukraine)
Post edited 2012-04-08 16:21:48
First off all, this comment is made by a player who has not more game sense or tactical knowledge than an average+ player of today´s Counter-Strike - it is a different game than shooting 4K players in the back on Aztec.
Just the fact that they can´t deliver proper insights for the followers of the stream in situations when a player decides to not buy helmet during an over-time with mp_startmoney 10k is beyond my imagination, hello 2012. I´m also surprised that they are not aware of how/when the c4 ticks. I mean....I mean...
Also there seems to be general beliefs that recent retired players sits home and hopes that their ex. teammates will lose early in their first tournament, just to save them some e-credit and face. Personally I´m extremely glad that my guys in Fnatic managed to perform so well in their first tournament, they showed truly amazing chemistry and teamplay and the future is bright for this new young Fnatic. Do you reckon that Alex Ferguson is hoping that Manchester Unites places in the bottom of PL just because he is retired? Come on, if you have been loyal to a team and made great friendship with the group you obviously wish them the best luck they can ever have.
Finally, it´s kinda natural that you don´t have your prime when retirement is approaching, this is something I know well, but still I will not sit here and apologize for any decision I have made in my career. I´m by far the longest serving in-game leader and there are extremely few players that can cope with being a leader year after year as it´s highly affects your individual game. Anyway, I´m certain that there are VERY few players on this planet with better achievements(see attached) than me - something that is indeed quite remarkable for a horrible player like myself.
Over and out folks, big gratz to the medalists of CPH Games!
2003
1st KSD LAN in Karlstad(Sweden)
2nd cXg qualifier in Athens(Greece)
2004
2nd Intel cup in Riga(Latvia)
1st Gamegune in Bilbao(Spain)
4th CPL Winter 2004 in Dallas(USA)
2005
1st Rixhax in Gothenburg(Sweden)
4th Gamegune in Bilbao(Spain)
2006
2nd SHG OPEN 2006 in Fredericia (Denmark)
1st CSCL III finals in Oberhausen(Germany)
1st eGames minitour in Antwerpen(Belgium)
2nd WSVG Sweden stop in Jönköping(Sweden)
2nd ESWC Swedish qualifier in Jönköping(Sweden)
2nd ESWC playoffs in Paris(France)
3rd Intel Summer Cup in Dallas(USA)
1st Kode5 Qualifier in Stockholm(Sweden)
2nd World esport Festival in Qingdao(China)
eSports Team of the Year at Game Convention Leipzig
2nd NGL-one season 1 finals in Leipzig(Germany)
1st CPL World tour in Singapore
3rd WSVG Finals in New york(USA)
1st CPL Winter in Dallas(USA)
2007
3rd IEM finals in Hannover(Germany)
2nd NGL-one season 2 finals in Berlin(Germany) wíth fnatic
2nd WSVG China in Wuhan(China)
1st ESWC Swedish qualifier in Jönköping(Sweden)
3rd ESWC Playoffs in Paris(France)
1st Gamegune 2007 in Bilbao(Spain)
1st E-Stars 2007 in Seoul(South Korea)
1st WCG Sweden Qualifier in Stockholm (Sweden)
1st NGL-one season 3 finals in Leipzig(Germany)
1st Kode5 Sweden in Borås(Sweden)
1st ESL Extreme Masters in Los Angeles(USA)
Voted the 2nd best player in the world by GGL
2008
1st NGL-one season 4 finals in Berlin(Germany)
1st SEC 2008 in Hannover(Germany)
2nd Kode5 finals in Moscow(Russia)
2nd ESWC Masters in Paris(France)
1st E-Stars Continental Cup in Seoul(South Korea) (Team West)
1st ENC finals in Leipzig(Germany) with Team Sweden
1st Kode5 CM Storm Invitational in Leipzig(Germany)
3rd ESWC finals in San José(USA)
1st ESL Intel Extreme Masters Global Challenge Montreal(Canada)
2nd International Esport Festival in Wuhan(China)
2009
1st ESL Extreme Masters Finals in Hanover(Germany)
2nd ESL EPS season 1 in Stockholm(Sweden)
1st ESWC Masters in Cheonan(South Korea)
1st Kode5 finals in Moscow(Russia)
1st Clanbase NationsCup XII(Online) with Team Sweden (Online)
1st E-stars 2009: King of the game in Seoul(South Korea)
1st WCG Sweden Qualifier in Stockholm(Sweden)
1st ENC finals in Cologne(Germany) with Team Sweden
eSports Team of the Year at Gamescom Cologne(Germany)
2nd ESL Intel Extreme Masters Global Challenge Chengdu(China)
1st ESL Intel Extreme Masters Global Challenge Dubai(UAE)
2nd WCG 2009 finals in Chengdu(China)
1st WEM 2009 in Hangzhou(China)
2010
2nd ESL Extreme Masters Continental final in Cologne(Germany)
2nd ESL Extreme Masters Finals in Hanover(Germany)
3rd Arbalet Best of four in Kiev(Ukraine)
1st Arbalet Europe Cup in Stockholm(Sweden)
1st WCG Sweden QUalifier in Jönköping(Sweden)
1st Gamegune 2010 in Bilbao(Spain)
1st IEM Global Challenge in Shanghai(China)
1st E-stars 2010: Continental cup in Seoul(South Korea)
2nd MSI Beat it finals in Beijing(China)
2nd DSRack #3 in Copenhagen(Denmark)
1st Komplett Gamer Challenge #2 in Copenhagen(Denmark)
2011
1st ESL Extreme Masters Continental final in Kiev(Ukraine)
1st Fnatic Play CS1.6 cup (Online)
4th Gamegune 2011 in Bilbao(Spain)
1st IEM Global challenge in Guangzhou(China)
1st MSI Beat it Dreamhack qualifier (online)
2nd MSI Beat it Russia in Kiev(Ukraine)
1st Dreamhack Winter in Jonkoping(Sweden)
2012
4th 1st ESL Extreme Masters Continental final in Kiev(Ukraine)
Post edited 2012-04-08 16:21:48
2012-04-08 16:13:28
HEY CARN <333
2012-04-08 16:25:37
"First off all, this comment is made by a player who has not more game sense or tactical knowledge than an average+ player of today´s Counter-Strike - it is a different game than shooting 4K players in the back on Aztec" niceee
2012-04-08 16:26:15
true that !
those oldschool fags are tooooooooooooooooooooo overrated !
those oldschool fags are tooooooooooooooooooooo overrated !
2012-04-08 22:36:41
Carn No Wonder you are the best :D
2012-04-08 16:28:26
That's why i watched your stream with Rahim, HeatoN don't know anything about modern CS, it's complete different from 2003.
2012-04-08 16:29:16
Dont bother with it, that stream was a big piece of ****. i closed after 2 rounds.
2012-04-08 16:29:56
n1 :)
2012-04-08 16:33:34
dude why do u even bother and take time to reply. it's just worthless.
we all know what you achieved and what you've done. you were great and don't listen to that.
we all know what you achieved and what you've done. you were great and don't listen to that.
2012-04-08 16:35:38
Let's retore what Heaton said:
You are horrible compared to today's standards. What Counter-Strike was like back when Heaton was active doesn't matter, that's not the point, nor you compared to him. Heaton made the most out of the little he was given, alongside what everyone else was given at that time. You make the least out of all you are given, the same everyone else has been given. There's the difference.
I'm pretty sure an average professional tennis player would kick Pete Sampras' ass if they were to have a match between eachother at their peak. Why? Look at tennis back on the days.
Also, you're not a horrible player. In Counter-Strike in general you are really good, but in the professional scene you are below average.
You are horrible compared to today's standards. What Counter-Strike was like back when Heaton was active doesn't matter, that's not the point, nor you compared to him. Heaton made the most out of the little he was given, alongside what everyone else was given at that time. You make the least out of all you are given, the same everyone else has been given. There's the difference.
I'm pretty sure an average professional tennis player would kick Pete Sampras' ass if they were to have a match between eachother at their peak. Why? Look at tennis back on the days.
Also, you're not a horrible player. In Counter-Strike in general you are really good, but in the professional scene you are below average.
2012-04-08 16:35:58
below average? Honestly i shouldnt even spend time answering your post, but here goes:
Players on each team have a lot of different roles. If carn went out topfragging every single map, while he also did the tactical aspect for his team, why would they even need the other players? then m0ddi, gux and friis didnt matter, they could use some 7 year old kids to support carn.
Carn was just as important for fnatic as get_right and f0rest is in SK and if you cant see that, dont reply in the forums,because you really dont have anything to add.
Players on each team have a lot of different roles. If carn went out topfragging every single map, while he also did the tactical aspect for his team, why would they even need the other players? then m0ddi, gux and friis didnt matter, they could use some 7 year old kids to support carn.
Carn was just as important for fnatic as get_right and f0rest is in SK and if you cant see that, dont reply in the forums,because you really dont have anything to add.
2012-04-08 19:09:40
Carn as a player is below average in the professional scene, yes. That's pretty fucking obvious, isn't it? It's not a question of carrying a team, it's about being a decent player alongside leader.
See how good fnatic are playing now. It just proves that having a slightly better leader doesn't make up for the loss of a potensional much better player than the leader.
See how good fnatic are playing now. It just proves that having a slightly better leader doesn't make up for the loss of a potensional much better player than the leader.
2012-04-08 19:54:20
srsly u re just a fucking noob , i cant even believe that i read all ur bunch of shit, have some respect for carn please
2012-04-09 20:17:30
Why on earth do you jump on a comment and write a bunch of nonsense? We are talking about individual skill (that's what heaton bashed, right?). He is definately below average in the pro (=make a living out of it) cs scene. In fact, i think #136 was trying to put it very nicely.
2012-04-09 20:28:35
And thats where i dont agree. Skill is a mash up of all the abilities that make you a good player; Does he have aim, does he have great movement, does he have teamplay, and not least does he have tactical knowlagade. Every single one of those aspects join up and form a player. Heaton might have had a great aim of his time, but he did lack most of the other feats. Thats where i say carn is made of like 15/20/25/40, where a steorid guy like heaton were like 85/5/5/5. I dont want to make a big discussion out of it, but I clearly state that i dont agree with what he is writing and ofcause you are allowed not to agree with that fact, but really, i dont care:)
Post edited 2012-04-09 22:27:39
Post edited 2012-04-09 22:27:39
2012-04-09 22:27:28
You misunderstood what heaton said. He specifically separated teamplayer/igl skills from invididual performance skills, which is what we are all supposed to be doing for this conversation to make sense. individually skilled players can and try to frag vs proteams. carn did neither. if you still think carn was above average of all the navi esc fnatic sk players then... i dont need to finish that sentence, we both know he is at the the bottom 15% of those players, not in the top 50%.
Post edited 2012-04-09 23:00:39
Post edited 2012-04-09 23:00:39
2012-04-09 22:54:30
He might if you only count aim. But skillwise as a player - no. The fact that heaton breaks it up only proves he have no clue what he is talking about.
2012-04-10 08:42:44
well, his aim and movement and choise of action simply never lead to him fragging, which today you simply need, you cannot play a style where one person can be useless in terms of f2f situations in the later stages of a lan tournament. which he was. even if you deny this you cannot say he was in the top 50% at a pro level. which is what you said. which made me annoyed. which was before i was aware of that you were talking about something else than everyone else. which means this conversation was useless (even though i still think you overestimate his individual skill even not regarding aim; he didn't have that killer instinct when needed, ever, and his choises and movement very often got him into disadvantagious situations
2012-04-10 16:44:37
cArn you will always be a legend mate, let the haters hate. And btw awesome job streaming with rahim.
2012-04-08 16:36:17
heaton had a lot of time and lot of exposure [in SK] and cArn emergered from a mere teenager who loves cs to the best in the world there's a diff between both evolution history .
cArn created fnatic and took it to the top level and for u fanboy it was somewhat fnatic whol made some great legends (so called) retire ...
HATERS GONNO HATE
cArn is still there with the community and will always be
FNATIC >>>>>> ALL
HEATON WORNG, CARN STRONG
cArn created fnatic and took it to the top level and for u fanboy it was somewhat fnatic whol made some great legends (so called) retire ...
HATERS GONNO HATE
cArn is still there with the community and will always be
FNATIC >>>>>> ALL
HEATON WORNG, CARN STRONG
2012-04-08 17:10:43
You must be 15. Learn some English grammar before you post here you little retarded child, that made no sense.
2012-04-08 17:28:12
well when u cant beat them with words,u call them retard/15 y.o etc
2012-04-08 18:14:59
it should be [which*]
except that i dont see a damn mistake there
maybe u should learn some english and care to come back again !!
except that i dont see a damn mistake there
maybe u should learn some english and care to come back again !!
2012-04-08 18:30:50
the one who ceated fnatic is dsn back then :) but i agree with you m8 :) carn is amazing :P
2012-04-08 21:59:23
He said you were one of the best IGLs but you weren't a great fragger.
I see nothing wrong with his statement, even with me being big fan of you and the role you played in the team. It could have been said a little nicer but after 14+ hours of streaming and a little alcohol he probably wasn't feeling too sharp.
Enjoyed you and Rahim streaming, I hope you continue doing it (:
Organise a 1v1 against Heaton?
Post edited 2012-04-08 16:39:46
I see nothing wrong with his statement, even with me being big fan of you and the role you played in the team. It could have been said a little nicer but after 14+ hours of streaming and a little alcohol he probably wasn't feeling too sharp.
Enjoyed you and Rahim streaming, I hope you continue doing it (:
Organise a 1v1 against Heaton?
Post edited 2012-04-08 16:39:46
2012-04-08 16:37:41
gg
2012-04-08 16:38:07
HeatoN set the standards and invented cs for you :) no hard feelings,you were good IGL,and experienced player,bur for you HeatoN is still GOOD OF GAME :) over and out :)
..one more - you are worst aimer ever seen at cs :) cuz that fnatic is soo much better now :) its not all in experience and igl :)
FRAG OR DIE!
Post edited 2012-04-08 16:44:57
..one more - you are worst aimer ever seen at cs :) cuz that fnatic is soo much better now :) its not all in experience and igl :)
FRAG OR DIE!
Post edited 2012-04-08 16:44:57
2012-04-08 16:42:26
cArn has bad aim? Are you drunk dude? Okay, he might not be moddii or xizt or edward, but doesn't have a bad aim... he might not be the best aimer ever (still i bet you can't frag him once in aim_map 1v1) , but he has a great "mental game" wich is a big part in this game, if not the biggest.
2012-04-08 17:02:02
they were drunk , what do you expect them too say ?
2012-04-08 16:48:55
hello there dear sir, Victor from greatfrag here, be aware that Rakhim and I will try to make you stick to the words, we need those 10 minutes of fame when you do karaoke. Be aware that we have like 3k witnesses.
Cheers!
Cheers!
2012-04-08 17:10:02
cArn u r my idol !
2012-04-08 17:18:22
Great post.I still think that Emil has respect for you, but I also think that you have respect for him, to be honest at the time they were the gods of the game, every professional player today learned from them (How to control spray and how to throw flashes and so on )
But just as you with your arrival on the scene you invented a new standard of the game, speaking more to the tactical side and understanding of the game.Many players played with you have become great players.I'm a little surprised that you felt insulted but those bunch of trolls here.They don't know what they are writing here , many of them writing about your aim and bla bla , you had great contribution in fnatic , its not all to be fragger , every player has his role in team , i don't need to write you this you know it very well :)
Cheers!
But just as you with your arrival on the scene you invented a new standard of the game, speaking more to the tactical side and understanding of the game.Many players played with you have become great players.I'm a little surprised that you felt insulted but those bunch of trolls here.They don't know what they are writing here , many of them writing about your aim and bla bla , you had great contribution in fnatic , its not all to be fragger , every player has his role in team , i don't need to write you this you know it very well :)
Cheers!
2012-04-08 17:28:35
<3
2012-04-08 17:32:57
I don't see how/why you owe a reply to HeatoN. IMO you just fed the troll. He can think whatever the heck he wants. And if he is so good, why doesn't he come to a random LAN and show off some skill?
2012-04-08 17:42:39
Ended.
2012-04-08 17:45:23
2nd Intel cup in Riga(Latvia), you've been to Latvia? :o
2012-04-08 17:47:41
You didn't need this to show you're better than him carn but he truly deserved an aswer.. You just owned the most overrated player in the history of cs :)
2012-04-08 18:02:16
no need to give details cArn.....
you were the greatest through out ur whole career....
good luck in future.......
you were the greatest through out ur whole career....
good luck in future.......
2012-04-08 18:10:02
exactly my thoughts.
i cant understand why people were saying:
"2 legends streaming who have big knowledge and can provide tactical knowledge and explain tactical things"
they werent able to explain anything about tactics, money management decisions etc.
especially heaton, he was absolutely clueless.
how people can say they were doing a good job i just cant understand.
except youre an absolute blind heaton + walle fanboy youve gotta admit that their casting was very poor.
not to talk about flames from heaton which made him look very dumb in terms of knowledge about cs and made him look like a prick.
i cant understand why people were saying:
"2 legends streaming who have big knowledge and can provide tactical knowledge and explain tactical things"
they werent able to explain anything about tactics, money management decisions etc.
especially heaton, he was absolutely clueless.
how people can say they were doing a good job i just cant understand.
except youre an absolute blind heaton + walle fanboy youve gotta admit that their casting was very poor.
not to talk about flames from heaton which made him look very dumb in terms of knowledge about cs and made him look like a prick.
2012-04-08 18:42:21
Be carefull! Heaton's biceps is just big and tanned!
2012-04-08 19:00:43
+1 no need to pwn heaton but anyways he deserved it.
Today's CS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2005 CS >>>>>>>>>>>> 2003 and back CS
Today's CS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2005 CS >>>>>>>>>>>> 2003 and back CS
2012-04-08 20:10:41
I guess he said that u were awesome and will always respect u as igl but he added that carn didnt frag much and with the addition of players like Karrigan and moddii fnatic is more deadly correct me if i am wrong
Post edited 2012-04-08 21:20:33
Post edited 2012-04-08 21:20:33
2012-04-08 21:18:51
You dont have to clear-out everything i guess people in here know what you have achieved but everyone knows that fnatic has improved in your absence.
HeatoN had to give a reason why have they improved in your absence. everyone know's you are one of the best IGL's ever.. What reason do you have to the fact that fnatic has improved in your absence?
I do not blame you but you need alot of motivation for the game if you need to be the best aimer and i guess you lost that motivation a long time ago. We saw a great game play by you and DSN in the first tournament after getright and forest joined SK because everyone knew that you were really mad to win and we could see that you had alot of motivation and passion to win. But after iem KIEV i felt you were just preparing your team so that they could perform good in your absence and according to me you succeeded. You gave us a very good team. Thanks alot
Sorry if i hurt your feelings but that's what i feel. You were never meant to be a aimer you are meant to build up Legends. Legends like you and you did. Thanks, Thanks alot carn you really deserve the appreciation.
HeatoN had to give a reason why have they improved in your absence. everyone know's you are one of the best IGL's ever.. What reason do you have to the fact that fnatic has improved in your absence?
I do not blame you but you need alot of motivation for the game if you need to be the best aimer and i guess you lost that motivation a long time ago. We saw a great game play by you and DSN in the first tournament after getright and forest joined SK because everyone knew that you were really mad to win and we could see that you had alot of motivation and passion to win. But after iem KIEV i felt you were just preparing your team so that they could perform good in your absence and according to me you succeeded. You gave us a very good team. Thanks alot
Sorry if i hurt your feelings but that's what i feel. You were never meant to be a aimer you are meant to build up Legends. Legends like you and you did. Thanks, Thanks alot carn you really deserve the appreciation.
2012-04-08 22:12:21
If you watched his demos back then, you'll know that he was an AMAZING aimer. Don't say he can't be one :P
Post edited 2012-04-08 22:37:27
Post edited 2012-04-08 22:37:27
2012-04-08 22:33:31
All i am saying is why should any of us care that was he an aimer or not. He was more then just a player. He was a leader and leaders make aimers. And that is why i am satisfied. Though i agree that after IEM kiev carn and dsn both lost their motivation required for the game and that is why he was not fragging that much.
2012-04-09 02:26:43
He was a leader and leaders make aimers.
*Leaders make teamplayers.
How can a leader have something to do with the aim skill of a player anyway?
*Leaders make teamplayers.
How can a leader have something to do with the aim skill of a player anyway?
2012-04-09 06:15:56
HeatoN:
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/181040..
cArn:
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/181045..
Jokes aside, I acknowledge you as the best IGL and one of the smartest 1.6 player, if not the smartest. But, recently you are lacking your former instinct.
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/181040..
cArn:
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/181045..
Jokes aside, I acknowledge you as the best IGL and one of the smartest 1.6 player, if not the smartest. But, recently you are lacking your former instinct.
2012-04-09 00:12:18
Is it true that HeatoN used to beat fnatic all the time?
2012-04-09 10:22:58
carn > heaton anywayanyday
2012-04-09 13:03:05
Indirectly you're saying that he is right. He just said that you were a great leader (true), but aim-wise, even himself can do better than you. I don't think he was right in his last sentence, but I understand it as a magnification to underline his argument (nothing wrong I assume).
I think that you have overreacted a lot.
I think that you have overreacted a lot.
2012-04-09 14:52:43
Carn was the best IGL in history, and he's a great aimer! I don't know why HeatoN say that he is bad, but he's wrong!
Carn is a living legend, and one of the best player ever, no doubt!
Carn is a living legend, and one of the best player ever, no doubt!
2012-04-08 16:32:27
heaton > die-heart SK fan .
2012-04-08 16:47:45
Actually no.. watch the interview with potti when they say that SK didnt give them their winning money. And last night both walle and heaton were saying good things about fnatic especially moddii.
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2012-04-08 16:59:38
but i saw heaton saying that in an interview don't remember which , where he said if i return to CS will play for SK i am a die heart fan ..
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2012-04-08 17:01:55
Well Patrik dont really have the best aim in CS, but he sure is the best IGL!
2012-04-08 16:39:33
heaton is a big troller , but this time he just got own3d by cArn :D
2012-04-08 16:40:12
chill carn its ez for someone to sit behind a pc drinking coke and making nasty comments
2012-04-08 16:46:12
i wish to see heaton with his team playing against fnatic , to see if he can take more 2 rounds : )
2012-04-08 16:48:01
Nothing new after Heaton statement, except that now we know he is complete retard...
Even if he thinks carn is a bad aimer, you can deliever that to the crowd whatching stream on cultural and friendly way, trying not that not to sound like an insult. You must take responsibility to the things you say when you are in a position that 15.000 people listens you.
Whatever you might thing about carn as a player, you must respect his devotion to the game and his, as we could see, huuuuge list of succes's.
Its not about game, or skill when you speak like Heaton did, its about respect, being polite, and friendly.
Even if he thinks carn is a bad aimer, you can deliever that to the crowd whatching stream on cultural and friendly way, trying not that not to sound like an insult. You must take responsibility to the things you say when you are in a position that 15.000 people listens you.
Whatever you might thing about carn as a player, you must respect his devotion to the game and his, as we could see, huuuuge list of succes's.
Its not about game, or skill when you speak like Heaton did, its about respect, being polite, and friendly.
2012-04-08 16:51:00
Carn just over killed all haters on forums. well said :)
Haters now u can crawl back in a hole u came from.
Haters now u can crawl back in a hole u came from.
2012-04-08 17:11:05
Cry carn! Heaton is the best! DU SUGER CARN!
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2012-04-08 17:11:21
Damn , I have to break my promise and post again . What he said was the same thing all community on hltv was saying before carn retired (that he can't frag as others) , so please stfu now .
Heaton = Counter-Strike .
Heaton = Counter-Strike .
2012-04-08 17:39:10
Please, promise one more time you will not post againt, but this time, stick with decision... :(
2012-04-08 17:56:18
eat my balls.
2012-04-08 18:57:53
nope.. cArn and DSN = counter strike
2012-04-08 18:13:53
heaton is a father and they are his kids .. when i started playing cs i always found heaton as my idol aswell as many others players did .. players like heaton spawn or potti are and will always be bigger legends than carn and dsn
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2012-04-08 18:53:33
coz u see cs only as a fragging game not mental one, so you're an idiot.
2012-04-08 19:01:02
no i don't !?
2012-04-08 19:52:45
so come at me and tell me heaton > cArn overall?
2012-04-08 21:16:32
where did i say that ?
2012-04-09 00:27:08
Look what you said below -.-"
2012-04-09 10:20:32
quote ?
2012-04-09 13:53:53
"players like heaton spawn or potti are and will always be bigger legends than carn and dsn"
yeaaa...
yeaaa...
2012-04-09 16:07:56
so ?? that doesn't make him a better player !?
u know , totti is a legend in roma (yet there are young new players who are better) , raul was legend in real , zanetti is legend in inter , puyol is a legend in barca etc etc
u know , totti is a legend in roma (yet there are young new players who are better) , raul was legend in real , zanetti is legend in inter , puyol is a legend in barca etc etc
2012-04-09 16:14:11
but that's what you said?!?!?!
haha!
haha!
2012-04-10 13:19:11
i didn't , i said that heaton , spawn or potti will always be BIGGER LEGENDS
now learn the definition of a legend and take a look at my example which i gave u in the post above .. and gtfo
now learn the definition of a legend and take a look at my example which i gave u in the post above .. and gtfo
2012-04-10 13:20:37
"players like heaton spawn or potti are and will always be bigger legends than carn and dsn" <------ THIS
is from your god damn comment.. hahah retard
is from your god damn comment.. hahah retard
2012-04-10 13:23:05
Are u stupid or what ??????
Yes , they are bigger legends ! They are starters in cs era , they are history like Pele or Maradona.
But , all of that doesn't make them a better player cuz of new players which are way more skilled nowadays and cs itself is more developed .
Do u get it now or your IQ is really that low ?
Yes , they are bigger legends ! They are starters in cs era , they are history like Pele or Maradona.
But , all of that doesn't make them a better player cuz of new players which are way more skilled nowadays and cs itself is more developed .
Do u get it now or your IQ is really that low ?
2012-04-10 13:28:48
who got the most titles?? DNS and CARN wich proves my point that your talking shit..
HeatoN potti and spawn only knew how to frag but they know nothin about the game.
And Heaton proved that several times in the stream he was casting..
so dont come and tell me that he is a better player och a bigger legend than Carn and dsn..
gtfo
HeatoN potti and spawn only knew how to frag but they know nothin about the game.
And Heaton proved that several times in the stream he was casting..
so dont come and tell me that he is a better player och a bigger legend than Carn and dsn..
gtfo
2012-04-10 13:25:53
take a look at heaton's cpl titles and masturbate
2012-04-10 13:29:23
take a look above on cArns comment and se his list!
just keep your mouth shut please..
just keep your mouth shut please..
2012-04-10 18:00:21
learn the definition of a legend for fuck's sake..carn stopped playing month ago ..
2012-04-10 19:06:52
So? Hes still a legend. f0rest is also a legend and he is still playing
2012-04-10 23:01:13
he can't be a legend if he is still active , he will be legend in years to come
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2012-04-11 00:26:09
Facepalm.
2012-04-11 00:30:09
a legend can be anyone worth remembering for a long long time even after he or she has left the world. The person who is a legend, leaves an impression on others, they are remembered and their tales are cherished. They leave behind a legacy not in terms of monetary value but a moral value.
that's the difference between heaton and forest or any other active player , that's the difference between ronaldo and cristiano ronaldo
that's the difference between heaton and forest or any other active player , that's the difference between ronaldo and cristiano ronaldo
2012-04-11 00:44:02
LOOOOOOOOOOOOL
So in order for being a legend you need to retire/die? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Actually, i look up much more to f0rest than to heaton, personality counts a lot and heaton just showed the prick he is.
So in order for being a legend you need to retire/die? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Actually, i look up much more to f0rest than to heaton, personality counts a lot and heaton just showed the prick he is.
2012-04-11 00:50:05
well said
2012-04-08 18:42:27
People only seem to care about fragging and aiming, cArn may not have been a super fragger or a super aimer, however imo his aiming and fragging were just enough.
I can't believe what some of you people think about cArn? Who do you think lead fnatic to success? It most certainly was not because of fraggers. No matter how good aim or how good of a fragger you are, you will play shit unless you have a GOOD in game leader such as cArn with alot of experience and a tactical mind. I doubt that fnatic would have done this well so far if it wasn't for cArn. As he said, being an in game leader has a huge effect on your individual skill, you may not know this but in the middle of games, he does not think about how he will try to frag or kill someone, he thinks about how to lead his team to success, rather than how to ace and get headshots. Most normal players focus on their individual skill, with a team balance, the in game leader though has to call every move and focus on the game OVERALL and not individually. In my opinion, cArn is one of the best, if not the best game leader so far in CS 1.6, and CS 1.6 is a team game isn't it? So why would he care if he is a "horrible player", when he can lead his team to success and wins?
Best of luck in the future carn, also gratz fnatic :)
I can't believe what some of you people think about cArn? Who do you think lead fnatic to success? It most certainly was not because of fraggers. No matter how good aim or how good of a fragger you are, you will play shit unless you have a GOOD in game leader such as cArn with alot of experience and a tactical mind. I doubt that fnatic would have done this well so far if it wasn't for cArn. As he said, being an in game leader has a huge effect on your individual skill, you may not know this but in the middle of games, he does not think about how he will try to frag or kill someone, he thinks about how to lead his team to success, rather than how to ace and get headshots. Most normal players focus on their individual skill, with a team balance, the in game leader though has to call every move and focus on the game OVERALL and not individually. In my opinion, cArn is one of the best, if not the best game leader so far in CS 1.6, and CS 1.6 is a team game isn't it? So why would he care if he is a "horrible player", when he can lead his team to success and wins?
Best of luck in the future carn, also gratz fnatic :)
2012-04-08 18:15:45
HeatoN is obviously just mad because the new generations CS players look up more to cArn then him.
2012-04-08 18:19:31
Next : BenQ to drop HeatoN. carn replaces
2012-04-08 18:41:47
carn cant swallow the truth ! Heaton has longer achievement list than carns
2012-04-08 19:46:35
No he doesnt. Besides, carn's achievements are much more rewarding since they are more recent and cs now is much harder.
2012-04-09 05:41:21
lol im fucking confused about heaton bullshit talking..
btw the stream was like shit .. !!
btw the stream was like shit .. !!
2012-04-08 20:43:53
what heaton said made me feel pitty for him: "carn is an awfull fragger, his aim sucks. even i, if i didnt played for several years, would do better then him" - something like this he said. meanwhile, mje and whimp (way better players then heaton was- just because he had a top team playing vs noobs) performed very bad after 1 year of pause.
anyway, i`m with fnatic since ~ 2006 and i`m gonna stay all the way with them.
never lost a games of them, i`ve seen al iviews and i`m watching their pages on fb. fanboy? dunno, but surely a fan. and that is all about a strong orga.
anyway, i`m with fnatic since ~ 2006 and i`m gonna stay all the way with them.
never lost a games of them, i`ve seen al iviews and i`m watching their pages on fb. fanboy? dunno, but surely a fan. and that is all about a strong orga.
2012-04-08 20:50:52
Same here mate, fnatic is just the best org with the best people :)
2012-04-09 05:42:16
Why do u make threads like these?? If he said smething wrong about him u should let it go ur making players hate each other
2012-04-08 21:29:44
The problem here is Carn was shoutcasting in Greatfrag.com, and he had more viewers than Heaton...
Double winning
Double winning
2012-04-08 23:51:47
+1
2012-04-09 06:32:38
HeatoN is easily one of the most overrated terrible cs players on the planet. If you watch the most recent pov demos of heatoN (2006/07) which is the time when cs really started to evolve and become mastered. Everything heaton does ingame (movement, crosshair placement, ingame thinking), is on a severely lower level than cArns. Even heatons "prime" form, would not do better than cArn, even if cArn was having a bad day. Not to mention cArn isn't even thinking about shooting people in the head, while you can tell that is all heaton is thinking about. Like carn said, heaton's ingame knowledge is probably not much better than an average swedish player, there's many "oldschool" players that noobs naively think actually understand the game. Most oldschool players know the basics..because thats what cs was back. It was a new game and very underdeveloped tactically and skill wise.
tl;dr HeatoN is fucking bad and would not be able to outfrag cArn on his luckiest day.
tl;dr HeatoN is fucking bad and would not be able to outfrag cArn on his luckiest day.
2012-04-09 06:18:47
carn played his last tournament amazingly......
2012-04-09 06:33:33
people are saying carn was legend. But I dont agree with this. I dont know why people praise him because to me he is average.
When f0rest GTR left, fnatic became bad team. They didnt play as good as 2009.
His tactic was bad and they always lost. Not to mention he was the worst player of the team with less rating.
Nowadays, IGL is not required in a mature team. Teams need player like aslak, NEO or trace which can be insane,.
now when cArn left, they play much better.
When f0rest GTR left, fnatic became bad team. They didnt play as good as 2009.
His tactic was bad and they always lost. Not to mention he was the worst player of the team with less rating.
Nowadays, IGL is not required in a mature team. Teams need player like aslak, NEO or trace which can be insane,.
now when cArn left, they play much better.
2012-04-09 09:06:39
When get right and forest left the team it was like shit with only dsn and carn left in it he had to choose new players and so he did he continued with that weak lineup and was trying very hard to bring them to the top.You cant frag and call at the same time.carn just foccused on how to clear A or b how to fake which was his job he was not suppose to frag for his team he was suppose to call.With such a weak lineup they managed to win dreamhack last year which was a real tough task and yes he is a Legend he understands this game better then anyone he started cs when u didnt evn know how to walk and back in the days he was a sick aimer too
2012-04-09 12:23:49
Yeah, and forest and get right are most probably 2 of best 5 players in the world? Such loss would pretty much destroy any team, right? But carn stayed when was the hardest (read: when fu*king SK took they best players), did you know how hard is to start from scratch, no matter what r u doing? You think Barselona would play the same without Messi an Xavi? Yap, sure.
I liked SK, but after carn's retirement interview, its clear they use all "resources" they can to take others players, not being fair and respectable to other teams in the proces, so now i am very big fnatic fan and was enjoying this win prety much, of course, i am sure carn did olso. ;)
I liked SK, but after carn's retirement interview, its clear they use all "resources" they can to take others players, not being fair and respectable to other teams in the proces, so now i am very big fnatic fan and was enjoying this win prety much, of course, i am sure carn did olso. ;)
2012-04-09 14:23:18
Yeah, cause losing 3 players from the top 10 in the world is easy to handle. get a brain please LOL
2012-04-09 14:54:37
fragger < IGL
d u know? without IGL i think his teammates can't be a fragger.. :D
n i think carn is a bad fragger and a good frager
carn : average +
MR Shut tu tu trii bulets, muve shut tu to trii bullets: as carn said " that comment is made by a player who has not more game sense or tactical knowledge than an average+ player of today´s Counter-Strike - it is a different game than shooting 4K players in the back on Aztec. "
d u know? without IGL i think his teammates can't be a fragger.. :D
n i think carn is a bad fragger and a good frager
carn : average +
MR Shut tu tu trii bulets, muve shut tu to trii bullets: as carn said " that comment is made by a player who has not more game sense or tactical knowledge than an average+ player of today´s Counter-Strike - it is a different game than shooting 4K players in the back on Aztec. "
2012-04-09 09:13:42
that carn is horrible player but awesome igl
2012-04-09 12:09:53
In my opinion heaton is terrible commentator. carn is good commentator
2012-04-09 15:12:36
In my opinion you are fake karrigan who is trolling and think that everybody know that karrigan is that stupid to post shits like you
2012-04-09 16:16:02
He's bad if you compare him to walle and heaton.
Come back to reality
Come back to reality
2012-04-09 16:17:23
compared to HeatoN's aim, cArn is indeed jackshit :d but well HeatoN was one of top3 best aimers in cs ever so
2012-04-09 16:17:57
Anyone have a video of when Heaton is saying this about carn?
2012-04-09 19:47:10
Here's the whole final streamed, can remember the time he said it but it was fnatic playing T
http://de.twitch.tv/copenhagengamescs16/b/31427047..
The stream was full of HeatoN's idiotic comments
http://de.twitch.tv/copenhagengamescs16/b/31427047..
The stream was full of HeatoN's idiotic comments
2012-04-10 16:54:15
so anywhere in these 10hrs O_O
2012-04-10 16:58:42
The actual stream* is no where near 10h :D it was recorded for so long, if I remember correctly it was during second half, just skip a few minutes at a time to get to it, imma try and find it too
E: *
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E: *
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2012-04-10 18:03:50
i dont understand why people keep saying that fnatic is SO much better now that carn is gone....they won 1 event. I love carn and fnatic tho
2012-04-10 04:57:33
HeatoN , Back to 2004 you were running around shooting 4kings and now you're shit sitting there being an ass
2012-04-10 05:00:33
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=PUjq1hgbUuA#
2012-04-10 13:43:30
HeatoN fans tend to be people who have only heard 'omg yeah what a legend'. The dude is a huge fucking dork. When I met him on LAN and played against him he was insanely shy, nerdy little kid. Hes got some beef nowadays but he is still the same idiot he got bullied for as a kid.
2012-04-10 16:51:55
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