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Anders Breivik
So Anders Breivik calls himself a Christian Crusader. Does this mean Norway gets to spend a decade bombing the shit out of the Vatican?
And do white folks finally get "randomly" frisked at airports along with Beardsly McTurbanheads?
I think it'll be far too easy for him to just be declared criminally insane.
And do white folks finally get "randomly" frisked at airports along with Beardsly McTurbanheads?
I think it'll be far too easy for him to just be declared criminally insane.
He's just messing out with the authorities in Norway, he mucks them, and why wouldn't he, the 20 years that he will recive are like a piece of cake compared to what he did.
I kind of think that the authorities deserve to be mucked this way by this mentally ill but yet cunning dude, just because they weren't able to build in a good enough law.
I mean it's plain stupid to kill so many ppl and only get 20 years or so, i think the messed one is the law system in that country not this dude.
Post edited 2012-04-21 09:09:48
I kind of think that the authorities deserve to be mucked this way by this mentally ill but yet cunning dude, just because they weren't able to build in a good enough law.
I mean it's plain stupid to kill so many ppl and only get 20 years or so, i think the messed one is the law system in that country not this dude.
Post edited 2012-04-21 09:09:48
2012-04-21 09:09:15
it is fucking insane how stupid is norwegian gov to give him only 21 years and I heard he has 3 own rooms in jail. one 4 training, one for sleeping, one for reading and working.
Post edited 2012-04-21 09:25:16
Post edited 2012-04-21 09:25:16
2012-04-21 09:24:34
And I bet that if he behaves in the jail he will only do 15 or so.
2012-04-21 09:29:50
You know nothing about the Norwegian law system. He will get 21 years followed by ten years custody till the day he dies.
2012-04-21 12:05:40
Why did Norway spent so much money, for Judges, lawyers, media and so on when he confirmed that he had killed them all? And he said '' I have done nothing wrong '' To give him the punishment that he got, it did cost the country a furtune.
2012-04-23 01:41:56
Because everyone has the right to have a trial in Norway, like in any other civilized nation.
2012-04-23 23:00:08
I do respect that. But dosen't it seems a bit point less in this case :)?
2012-04-24 02:48:22
It's a matter of principle, so not really. Not in my opinion at least.
2012-04-24 16:33:11
as mÆdmÆn says, you will get 21 years, then followed by 10 and 10 and 10 till you die. or someone will shoot him:]
2012-04-21 13:58:57
Wow just like in Russia, when you against Putin and his government friends.
2012-04-21 15:01:08
hahaha da BOI with dA connectionS YO hahahha=D
after his 21 years he'll never be free jeez
after his 21 years he'll never be free jeez
2012-04-21 14:27:20
youre not very smart.
2012-04-21 18:40:52
If you think that norwegian gov is going to release this man after 21 years of imprisonment, then i feel sorry for you. That will never happen.
And for all the rooms, they are there so that the psychic's can watch his every move and watch how he acts.
And for all the rooms, they are there so that the psychic's can watch his every move and watch how he acts.
2012-04-22 18:56:46
Yeah but over the 20/21 years he can spend plus 5 more in jail over and over again. The norge law says that when he is about to leave prison, the authorities do a couple of tests to determine weather he is able to live in peace or if he remains a threat, is that case (a threat) he can get 5 more years in prison, and after those 5 years another 5 over and over again.
So, I guess the Breivik will always be considered a threat and therefore it will be 20 years + 5 + 5 + 5 + 5 and so on...
So, I guess the Breivik will always be considered a threat and therefore it will be 20 years + 5 + 5 + 5 + 5 and so on...
2012-04-23 17:43:39
I have to admit that the Nowegian law is pretty bad, but nevertheless, Anders Breivik is never going out of jail. end of story. He will get 21 years and then sit in custody the rest of the time for sure.
Post edited 2012-04-21 10:32:42
Post edited 2012-04-21 10:32:42
2012-04-21 10:32:23
It's not. I saw a documentary this week about Norwegian prisons. Prisoners walk free around with the guards and have to work to get rehabilitated.
Only the highrisks are not allowed to walk free around.
Only 20% (approx.) get back to jail. That's not much.
Only the highrisks are not allowed to walk free around.
Only 20% (approx.) get back to jail. That's not much.
2012-04-21 12:08:39
It is a big difference? Do you think that a drugdealer and a terrorist have the same stuff, freedom and the amount of guards around them all the time?
2012-04-21 12:51:47
Can't really follow what you meant with: "It is a big difference?"
I know that a drugdealer and a terrorist haven't got the same stuff, freedom and the amount of guards around them hence why I said: "Only the highrisks are not allowed to walk free around."
But of course you'll know it better than I do, I just saw a documentary about it. =)
Post edited 2012-04-21 18:32:48
I know that a drugdealer and a terrorist haven't got the same stuff, freedom and the amount of guards around them hence why I said: "Only the highrisks are not allowed to walk free around."
But of course you'll know it better than I do, I just saw a documentary about it. =)
Post edited 2012-04-21 18:32:48
2012-04-21 18:32:27
Come on. Jails in Norway must be like sanatoriums in Eastern Europe and Balkans. And no one will restrict his freedom because of the so called "human rights". I don't think that he would do a crime like this in a country which isn't that rich as Norway.
2012-04-22 10:15:18
Where's the difference? They'll never go out. zZz
2012-04-21 14:40:50
Can't follow you. Elaborate plese.
2012-04-21 18:33:28
I have no idea if the 20% you're talking about is true, but let's say it is.. don't you think he'd be one of them?
either way, if he does get out, he'll be killed within a week.
either way, if he does get out, he'll be killed within a week.
2012-04-21 18:19:41
The 20% I was talking about is people that are released from prison and do another felony and get back to prison. Could have explained that one a bit better indeed.
2012-04-21 18:34:36
Not all prisons are like this, also a strong selection takes place before you get into these kind of prisons.
Statistics show that there's ~48% recividism in Norway (2009).
Statistics show that there's ~48% recividism in Norway (2009).
2012-04-22 20:45:42
I'm well aware that not all prisons are like that, would be crazy. :) More than I thought/heard then.
2012-04-22 22:13:46
Yeah, and a guy who killed 69 persons with a gun is clearly not a "highrisk".
2012-04-21 20:06:38
Where the hell did I say that he's not highrisk wtf?!
2012-04-21 20:58:58
He killed for than 69 people :P
2012-04-23 01:46:30
Well, in most European countries prisoners do not work. At least Norway's got something (a lot actually) right.
2012-04-23 00:55:56
I know, and thats the good thing about it. They keep in mind that most of the prisoners will eventually return back to a community and keep them in a "working-routine".
2012-04-23 02:37:22
Well, it's not only that. In the UK, it costs 100 pounds a day to keep one person in jail. That's 36500 pounds per year, what would normally be a decent salary. I think it's only fair that they would have to work while in jail, in order to repay this to the society.
2012-04-23 17:33:04
I fully agree.
2012-04-23 17:55:50
the norwegian law system, just prefers resocializing people, instead to get rid of them.
i guess you have overseen one small issue.
the maximum sentence are 20 years indeed.
BUT if someone after this timeline, is declared to be a danger for society. they can imprison him for EVER.
and do you really think they would let him free?
you will always be able to find some arguments, which explain that he is a danger to society.
so in the end, its just a formal issue, because they surely will find some reasons to imprison him for the rest of his life
i guess you have overseen one small issue.
the maximum sentence are 20 years indeed.
BUT if someone after this timeline, is declared to be a danger for society. they can imprison him for EVER.
and do you really think they would let him free?
you will always be able to find some arguments, which explain that he is a danger to society.
so in the end, its just a formal issue, because they surely will find some reasons to imprison him for the rest of his life
2012-04-21 16:34:12
Just like KASAB..
2012-04-21 09:23:58
21 years in Norwegian prison? hahahha prisons there are like hotels, imo prisons should keep criminals in terrible conditions, to make ppl being scared of prison
2012-04-21 09:33:24
Like Chinese Prisons? :D
2012-04-21 09:35:57
North Korean ?
2012-04-21 09:48:37
They havent prisons :D
2012-04-21 09:59:53
they have concentration camps
2012-04-21 10:36:37
North Korea is a prison.
2012-04-23 11:08:23
Also people who don't belong to prison... right ?..
2012-04-22 23:28:04
yeah, sorry didn't click comma :)
Post edited 2012-04-23 11:37:22
Post edited 2012-04-23 11:37:22
2012-04-23 11:37:13
Hey guys, this is a theme that is hard for a lot of norwegians. Be careful with your words.
If ABB is mentally healthy by court he will get 21 years (the strongest sentence in Norway). But, in Norway they have something called custody or "forvaring". That means that the prisoner can't be let out of prison before he has been cleared "CHANGED" and "NOT IN DANGER OF OTHER PEOPLE".
That means he will be in jail the rest of his life.
If ABB is mentally healthy by court he will get 21 years (the strongest sentence in Norway). But, in Norway they have something called custody or "forvaring". That means that the prisoner can't be let out of prison before he has been cleared "CHANGED" and "NOT IN DANGER OF OTHER PEOPLE".
That means he will be in jail the rest of his life.
2012-04-21 09:41:58
Exactly. Finally. Do people really think this guy will be released from prison in 21 years?
2012-04-21 09:45:53
Exactly. Finally. People should really take care of him with their tax money for the rest of his life. Yeah. Including people whose children he killed. Exactly.
Post edited 2012-04-22 23:33:19
Post edited 2012-04-22 23:33:19
2012-04-22 23:32:28
Well what's your suggestion?
2012-04-22 23:50:35
Kill him. Isn't that clear enough ? Yes, you do conjure a martyr out of himself - but in the age of free publicity you can write anything you want about him after his death. It's a matter of debate. And it will be - for decades. But still - talk is talk, but keeping him alive is even worse. That is part of what he hoped for and tried to show in the first place. Don't you find it stupid that a person who killed so many people SINGLE-HANDEDLY is allowed to live while people like Gaddafi or Hussein or Bin Laden are killed and their corpses paraded as trophies in a pre-historic way ?!
Any system which allows such a criminal to live is rotten to its core and that is what he wanted to show. If he's kept alive - then he's definitely got what he wanted.
Any system which allows such a criminal to live is rotten to its core and that is what he wanted to show. If he's kept alive - then he's definitely got what he wanted.
2012-04-23 00:07:06
what does gona change in killing him? i think death will make his life easier... he have to stay alive in prison till death thats gona make worth...
2012-04-23 00:13:25
it depends on a prison. I'd agree on a fact that realising your own crime is a far worse punishment than execution, but it's all about making an example. He planned it KNOWING that he won't get killed for it. And that's what making me mad, really. Especially since he appeared to be... right. Look at what french guys did with their terrorist. I'm 100% sure that the guys who did the job didn't even consider any "take alive" priorities they may have gotten from their superiors. And they were right. Who talks about his ideology now ? Who considers if his points were valid? He's dead - end of story. And that is how it should be. I won't debate whether there is a God whose judgement is higher than any of what we can do here in mortal life. It's just that his political legacy doesn't live on while Breivik's still does and causes debate. You figure out who did better - french or norwegians...
Post edited 2012-04-23 00:29:04
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2012-04-23 00:25:12
the problem is he is glad to stay alive in a prison for the rest of his life, and i believe that was his plan all along.now that he's "famous", he'll just start writing his bullshit, and find a way to get them edited or published over the internet...
2012-04-23 19:57:18
well but if he`s not on hes own planning all that shit.. and maybe thats just a start... with hes dead u never find it out... so thats why they want him keep alive and maybe some other reasons
2012-04-23 20:24:34
Oh please, we can handle trolls.
2012-04-21 12:32:22
Good for you. Did someone close to you get shot?
2012-04-21 13:31:25
Even if I'd experience personal loss on 22/7, I wouldn't get dramatic over international trolls on a CS forum full of kids.
2012-04-21 13:50:12
Its easy to talk.
2012-04-21 13:57:08
I´m glad to hear:-)
2012-04-21 13:57:17
All this shit was happen because of stupid social-democratic ideology. Norwegian political system create a monster.
2012-04-21 09:51:38
he played wow 2 years in a row without contact with outer real world rigth before he did the massacre, videogames created a monster I would say.
2012-04-21 10:01:14
no. he wanted the massacre BEFORE he started preparing for it by socially isolating himself in the first place.
2012-04-21 10:03:21
so when i play monopoly for 2 years in a row, i will become a billionaire?
2012-04-21 11:44:26
yes, I guess you only played it a few hours and I also guess that therefore you are in fact not a billionaire.
2012-04-21 14:11:01
I see what you did there. Pretty clever.
2012-04-21 15:04:35
he is rigth, he proove my point, if he play moopoly 2 years fulltime, i meant full time 365 days complete, his entrepeneur skillss would massively increase and he could be amilionaire if he incoporate that aquired experinece in buiness life. my Dad does, and i can chill and play cs everyday with no worries, he is no billionaire, but he is millionaire. its a cool story, but a true story, kids should devote time playing games like monopoly for at leats more than 5000 hours a year, it would greatly increase decision making skillss wich in my experience is the greates skill in life, if seek abundance of whatever you desire
2012-04-22 03:37:32
haha, sure. WoW created a mass murderer.
You sound like one of those 69-year-old journalists who always seems to find the scapegoat in video games.
Post edited 2012-04-21 12:37:12
You sound like one of those 69-year-old journalists who always seems to find the scapegoat in video games.
Post edited 2012-04-21 12:37:12
2012-04-21 12:34:22
+1 It's true.
2012-04-21 10:42:34
It's slightly true. His thoughts on society and humanity were co-created by Norwegian media and the political environment which for many years have socially decapitated anyone opposing or criticising their multicultural experiment, but the guy is still a scumbag without empathy. If he'd gone after marxist journalists and adult politicians, the case would at least be anywhere near to understandable. You don't massacre 14-year-ols and then call yourself a savior. It's the actions of a retard.
2012-04-21 12:31:15
I dont want to defence him, its true that he is a fuckin scumbag, but you must to know that he killed many future ministers, maybe a prime ministers, all those who in the future imputed into the real norwegian world this ideology ... i knew that only norwegian can answer essentially for my comment ... cheers
Post edited 2012-04-22 10:13:47
Post edited 2012-04-22 10:13:47
2012-04-22 10:10:10
he doesn't want to be declared insane, his legacy wouldn't be taken seriously then (he said that)
2012-04-21 10:03:57
white people cant be terrorist apparently
2012-04-21 10:07:46
Don't be ignorant. There were terrorists long before 9/11.
2012-04-21 10:28:50
Breivik has gotten more attention here in Scandinavia than any terrorist ever has.
2012-04-21 11:05:30
what do you mean by that?
2012-04-21 13:00:24
not shure, but you shure would ruin his point if you go and do another danish drawing ;D
2012-04-21 14:16:23
wut? because drawing muhammed is terror?
2012-04-21 15:05:43
No, no one said that.
2012-04-22 05:09:06
white people cant be terrorist apparently
not shure, but you shure would ruin his point if you go and do another danish drawing ;D
explain it to me then.
not shure, but you shure would ruin his point if you go and do another danish drawing ;D
explain it to me then.
2012-04-22 11:36:56
"wut? because drawing muhammed is terror?"
its just disrespectful, not terrorism.
its just disrespectful, not terrorism.
2012-04-22 12:04:54
ergo i wouldnt ruin his point by making another muhammed drawing :)
2012-04-22 13:01:45
well in France, any arab guy doing such a thing is immediately called a terrorist in the medias (that's what happened for the Toulouse killer btw), whereas Anders Breivik, a white guy, was called a mental psychotic killer or something like that in the medias, but never a terrorist. i believe that's his point.
Post edited 2012-04-23 20:02:02
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2012-04-23 20:01:42
White folks already get randomly frisked at airports especially when flying into Middle Eastern countries (Yes it's happened to me every time).
He's not criminally insane and he will more than likely get a full 21 year sentence and +4 additional years every 4 years for life. He will not get out of prison nor will he be considered rehabilitated at any time and offered some form of parole.
Your first comment is just really stupid and it makes you look like an ignorant buffoon.
He's not criminally insane and he will more than likely get a full 21 year sentence and +4 additional years every 4 years for life. He will not get out of prison nor will he be considered rehabilitated at any time and offered some form of parole.
Your first comment is just really stupid and it makes you look like an ignorant buffoon.
2012-04-21 10:15:32
Not to the extent where someone from a middle-eastern country would be "frisked" while flying to the US or UK. He cried in front of the jury but calls himself a Christian crusader!
As for the first statement, try to understand dark humor. It's a clear jab at foreign policy and the whole racism politics. It's a sad part that one needs to supply the readers with a yearbook or encyclopaedia before fucking writing something on the internet. Get your flag out of your a**.
As for the first statement, try to understand dark humor. It's a clear jab at foreign policy and the whole racism politics. It's a sad part that one needs to supply the readers with a yearbook or encyclopaedia before fucking writing something on the internet. Get your flag out of your a**.
2012-04-21 10:28:16
Get my flag out of my ass? Okay that's a bit random because nothing I've mentioned has anything to do with patriotism. You're just some pseudo-intellectual keyboard warrior with a bit of google-fu and a sense of superiority. How about you actually use some logic and common sense before you reply this time. Even better still, why don't you take the encyclopaedia you mentioned and do some learning of your own.
Sincerely
Myself and everyone else on the internet.
Toodleoo
Sincerely
Myself and everyone else on the internet.
Toodleoo
2012-04-21 10:36:17
A sense of superiority? You've got me figured out and you don't even know me! I guess the joke's on you then?
2012-04-21 10:47:02
You're the one who stated that, "It's a sad part that one needs to supply the readers with a yearbook or encyclopaedia before fucking writing something on the internet.", implying that you were higher than others. Maybe you should do some comprehension because you clearly don't even understand what you're writing yourself. Or you could write things out in your native language first and then use google translate.
Ciao for now.
Ciao for now.
2012-04-21 10:57:48
I was mocking at the fact that statistics and references need to be provided these days for almost everything anyone writes. How does that make me higher?
Bringing it to my native language makes YOU look like the ignorant buffoon here. So much pent-up aggression..just wow!
Bringing it to my native language makes YOU look like the ignorant buffoon here. So much pent-up aggression..just wow!
2012-04-21 11:05:35
Your tone implied you knew better don't fucking deny it now that you've been called out. I love how you're acting all holier than though now that someone has actually called you out on your inaccuracies. And you're talking about pent up aggression? You're the one who told me to get my flag out of my ass? What does that mean anyway? I'm speaking to you as another human being not as a nationalist or as a British citizen. Why don't you get over yourself and stop posting shit which is clearly there to rile people up? I know what you're doing; it's not big and it's not clever and mummy needs to spank your botty because you're a very naughty boy. GHANDU!
- "Get your flag out of your ass" - Aman 'Ghandu' Parmar; CEO Butthurt Industries LLC
- "Get your flag out of your ass" - Aman 'Ghandu' Parmar; CEO Butthurt Industries LLC
2012-04-21 12:00:16
Rile people up for what? It's not like I'm running some movement here. Get a grip!
I didn't resort to name-calling unlike you did, so yes, you're getting all emo about it. I guess it's just about time to stop replying here.
I didn't resort to name-calling unlike you did, so yes, you're getting all emo about it. I guess it's just about time to stop replying here.
2012-04-21 12:37:51
Dude, he's right. End of story
2012-04-21 14:08:58
Guys, seriously! You should think of when you are saing now, and stop making jokes. Even if the Norwegien constitution says that he only gets 21 years, is true. But the rest of the time after those 21 years, he will be in custody.
It is a 12 weaks trail going on now where he describes how he did it and so on. The whole country cries when he can sit there in the court and describe in detail how he shot him, and what he did to her. He will never get out nor will he be considered rehabilitated.
It is a 12 weaks trail going on now where he describes how he did it and so on. The whole country cries when he can sit there in the court and describe in detail how he shot him, and what he did to her. He will never get out nor will he be considered rehabilitated.
2012-04-21 10:39:25
yeah yeah u think so`? One norwegian friend of me said that Breivik will be killed first month in jail, but nothing happaned. And it looks like Breivik talks to much and nor gov give him this freedom to talk. Must of articles on db.no vg.no is about Breivik. How far more stupid will nor gov and media go, I don't know. So I pretty sure in 15 years Breivik realised
2012-04-21 11:40:32
Breivik gets what he wanted, the media attention. But how would the media react if they cannot write about the biggest massacre in norwegian history by one man? In my point of view he should be killed, take his own life at Utoya or the police killed him there. Do you seriously think that this man, Anders Behring Breivik, is going among people in jail? He got total supervision by the police, he sees psychiatrist every day. Bu norway is a free country and he has the freedom of speach to tell the world why he did it. marxism? there is many people worldwide that thinks good of that he did, and it was necessary that someone came out and made this point. Sure, it think it is redicouls but what can we do? Yeah....
2012-04-21 11:56:11
the problem is that Europe is getting more and more racist and guys like this man , are fulled by politicians in EU that are blaming the crysis on imigration and all foreign people, thats why Eu is getting more and more racist and capitalist
2012-04-21 11:01:21
21 years of LAVISH jail life for such a monster, have the norwegian authorities gone nuts? Also, this guy (imo) is just fooling people out there by acting insane.
2012-04-21 11:03:29
Have you even read about the trial? He's not acting insane. He is acting as he believes he should. If he gets declared insane then he feels that people won't believe in his plight as much.
2012-04-21 11:52:39
Radical Christian Terrorism!!
2012-04-21 11:31:08
this thread will cause only problems. And it seems that indians have little too much time to create such stupid topics, no hating on indians in any way tho.
2012-04-21 11:42:12
what problems do u met in this topic, my friend`?
2012-04-21 11:46:37
Its fine.
Good that its not on any kind of religion war.
Good that its not on any kind of religion war.
2012-04-22 07:24:07
the guy is not insane, he is a lier. he is a lier who wants publicity.. of course what he did was extremely serious and must be punished
killing him is not going to help..
Post edited 2012-04-21 12:00:43
killing him is not going to help..
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2012-04-21 12:00:05
actually it is going to help. nobody would had to pay for his living in prison..
2012-04-21 12:57:11
I'd easily pay the insignificant amount of cash to see him in jail.
To kill him would be to easy, he needs to be punished.
To kill him would be to easy, he needs to be punished.
2012-04-22 12:24:18
killing him would be like a gift
2012-04-22 23:03:03
you have better solution?
2012-04-22 23:40:07
make him suffer for the rest of his life
2012-04-23 13:53:18
and who will pay it..
2012-04-23 23:17:58
what is the government for and the mechanism created which support these kind of cases, ur logic sux so hard , kill him because of sparing money lol (norway is a rich country)
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2012-04-24 13:27:56
What have we learned here? religion is bad when followed by people who like to twist it into ways that benefit their evil idealogies.
2012-04-21 12:20:41
send this guy to guantanamo and let his ass get smashed every day for rest of his miserable life!
2012-04-21 12:49:09
The way this guy expressed his anger is extreme.
But the ordinary Norwegians are ok with the fact that their country is in the process of becoming the Pakistan of the North?
But the ordinary Norwegians are ok with the fact that their country is in the process of becoming the Pakistan of the North?
2012-04-21 13:42:48
Both Høyre(right wing) and FrP(farther right than Høyre) have a great chunk of the voters by their side(about 45%), and they are working towards a more strict immigration policy, one of them more than the other. The Labour Party(ruling party, with two small co-ruling left parties) have for the last years made immigration more strict simply because they're losing voters to the right.
So the answer to your question would be no.
So the answer to your question would be no.
2012-04-21 14:09:14
the funny thing is that FrP is a party for idiots in every other part of their policy. It would lead to the rich getting more rights, and the "poor" loosing more of their rights.
And the kicker here is; the "poor" votes for FrP, because they can't see through their populistic politics.
I fear we are starting to get dumb here in Norway.
And the kicker here is; the "poor" votes for FrP, because they can't see through their populistic politics.
I fear we are starting to get dumb here in Norway.
2012-04-22 12:30:27
Frp's politics are no more populistic than the other parties. And since when did parties not run populistic politics? It's a natural move to attract voters.
And Frp is definitely not a party for idiots, nor would it lead to what you're claiming. Take some time and read through http://www.frp.no/no/Vi_mener/.
We're already dumb. You'll see that in 2013, when people once again vote for Arbeiderpartiet, despite bitching and moaning for the last four years.
And Frp is definitely not a party for idiots, nor would it lead to what you're claiming. Take some time and read through http://www.frp.no/no/Vi_mener/.
We're already dumb. You'll see that in 2013, when people once again vote for Arbeiderpartiet, despite bitching and moaning for the last four years.
2012-04-22 14:13:21
Or opinions differ. Arbeiderpartiet made Norway the country it is today. And the generation growing up today(me and you) will always vote for the parties which seem to have the most attractive policy. Talk to grown up people, which has been working since they were kids, and they will tell you what is good for the common man in the street.
We are the ungratefull generation being handed everything to us, then complaining about that, and voting for a party which is going to make things more difficult for us. Seems logical.
And yes; I have read through the policies of all the parties. And I have made up my mind on what is realistic and what is not.
We are the ungratefull generation being handed everything to us, then complaining about that, and voting for a party which is going to make things more difficult for us. Seems logical.
And yes; I have read through the policies of all the parties. And I have made up my mind on what is realistic and what is not.
2012-04-22 14:40:43
People who have worked since they were kids are mostly uneducated workers. Their views and opinions should therefor not matter more than anyone else's.
What do you mean? Frp will make it worse? Or that we complain and still vote for Arbeiderpartiet in election times? The latter makes sense these days. :)
And you've concluded that sticking with Arbeiderpartiet is realistic? Or just joined the anti-Frp bandwagon?
What do you mean? Frp will make it worse? Or that we complain and still vote for Arbeiderpartiet in election times? The latter makes sense these days. :)
And you've concluded that sticking with Arbeiderpartiet is realistic? Or just joined the anti-Frp bandwagon?
2012-04-22 17:25:39
People which has been actually been working for 30-40 years know which benefits we have gotten because of the liberal parties.
Also; you don't find many people studying at universities voting FrP, so that's not a valid argument.
Generally; people with high education and the working man will vote AP. Because it's best for the working man, AND the best for the society. (Unless you are one of thoose that blindly thinks privatising is the best thing, where after a while the big organizations has way to much power), and the private market don't give a shit about their workers. There is always plenty more where they come from.
There is no safer and better place to work then in the government businesses(statoil, posten etc).
I believe in a society where the common man has as much rights as the rich people. FrP is a step in the wrong direction in that regard, IMO.
Also; you don't find many people studying at universities voting FrP, so that's not a valid argument.
Generally; people with high education and the working man will vote AP. Because it's best for the working man, AND the best for the society. (Unless you are one of thoose that blindly thinks privatising is the best thing, where after a while the big organizations has way to much power), and the private market don't give a shit about their workers. There is always plenty more where they come from.
There is no safer and better place to work then in the government businesses(statoil, posten etc).
I believe in a society where the common man has as much rights as the rich people. FrP is a step in the wrong direction in that regard, IMO.
2012-04-22 18:25:31
Benefits... how about all the problems they have caused? What they have failed to combat? First to come to mind is the endless patient queues, the failed integration politics (take a look at female immigrants' situation in today's society), and don't even get me started on NAV.
More and more students have started voting for Frp. That's a fact. And no, that's not just because of their alcohol politics. Moreover, I remember reading a bunch of articles in the media a while back about how people with higher education, successful people voted Frp - not AP as you claim. But that doesn't really matter to me. Norway is more than just wealth and people with higher education, so you can't put that up as an argument.
I don't blindly favor privatization. I favor it because today's public system does not work. Where are your benefits in the public system? Arbeiderpartiet has failed to better Norway's public system in so many ways. I also support privatization because I think people should get to choose. Take the public health system. Too long queues? Fine, go to a private institution and the government takes care of your bill. That is how it should be in a country such as Norway. But let me guess, you think this type of spending will bankrupt our country?
Working for the government has never been a thrill. It's in recent years it has become better. Salaries have started competing with the private side, which I think is great.
Rich people would not get any more "rights" if Frp ruled. You would still have the same rights. Continue voting Arbeiderpartiet is a step in the wrong direction in general. Norway needs to change.
More and more students have started voting for Frp. That's a fact. And no, that's not just because of their alcohol politics. Moreover, I remember reading a bunch of articles in the media a while back about how people with higher education, successful people voted Frp - not AP as you claim. But that doesn't really matter to me. Norway is more than just wealth and people with higher education, so you can't put that up as an argument.
I don't blindly favor privatization. I favor it because today's public system does not work. Where are your benefits in the public system? Arbeiderpartiet has failed to better Norway's public system in so many ways. I also support privatization because I think people should get to choose. Take the public health system. Too long queues? Fine, go to a private institution and the government takes care of your bill. That is how it should be in a country such as Norway. But let me guess, you think this type of spending will bankrupt our country?
Working for the government has never been a thrill. It's in recent years it has become better. Salaries have started competing with the private side, which I think is great.
Rich people would not get any more "rights" if Frp ruled. You would still have the same rights. Continue voting Arbeiderpartiet is a step in the wrong direction in general. Norway needs to change.
2012-04-22 20:40:58
this is the origin of NAV(Bondevikregjeringen)
http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dep/ad/tema/velferdsp..
They also minimized posten, which led to many people not having a job. Ap has now made up for that by creating more workplaces, and the people out of work is now low, compared to periods under Høyre/Krf.
Also, Ap is now using one of FrP's idea(the one you were taliking about) when it comes to healthqueues. I think they have done so for some time. I was talking to my stepfather, which has been politically active, and he says it does not work. The patients some places get priority from a more "moneysaving" perspective. It's not bad right now, but I'm thinking it could well be.
In socialist healthcare the sickest is bumped first in line, so that the ones that needs it gets the care they need first. Ofc there is still problems, and mixups which they can be better at fixing.
Privatized hospitals seems great in theory in my head too though. But man, I don't know. Could easily be a two-edged sword.
The more privatizing the more oppurtunities the rich people have to "fuck the common man over". USA is a classical example of that.
As I said; I think a coalition between senterpartiet, Høyre and AP should work great. AP to maintain the "safety", Høyre for "innovation" and Senterpartiet to be there as a third party to represent Norwegian agriculture and stuff.
http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dep/ad/tema/velferdsp..
They also minimized posten, which led to many people not having a job. Ap has now made up for that by creating more workplaces, and the people out of work is now low, compared to periods under Høyre/Krf.
Also, Ap is now using one of FrP's idea(the one you were taliking about) when it comes to healthqueues. I think they have done so for some time. I was talking to my stepfather, which has been politically active, and he says it does not work. The patients some places get priority from a more "moneysaving" perspective. It's not bad right now, but I'm thinking it could well be.
In socialist healthcare the sickest is bumped first in line, so that the ones that needs it gets the care they need first. Ofc there is still problems, and mixups which they can be better at fixing.
Privatized hospitals seems great in theory in my head too though. But man, I don't know. Could easily be a two-edged sword.
The more privatizing the more oppurtunities the rich people have to "fuck the common man over". USA is a classical example of that.
As I said; I think a coalition between senterpartiet, Høyre and AP should work great. AP to maintain the "safety", Høyre for "innovation" and Senterpartiet to be there as a third party to represent Norwegian agriculture and stuff.
2012-04-22 22:54:54
Well, that's your opinion. I for one can't seem to find the brilliance of the socialists.
A lot a taxation would disappear or become smaller if FrP ruled Norway, such as inheritance and property tax. Using more of the oil money on infrastructure is a no-brainer in my opinion. Things like this would benefit the average joe as well, not just the rich people. Taking away some taxations and privatizing some parts of the market doesn't necessarily take away rights such as free heath care, but it would have potential to weaken the strong bureaucracy in this country and open up for some valuable competition in many fields.
The socialists don't really want you to start a business. They'd rather have you working as a paper mover at NAV or some other public institution. The public sector is almost as big as the private sector. Now, is that the society you'd like to live in?
Ever asked yourself why we have no big international companies besides Statoil and Telenor(both owned by the government)? Socialism kills innovation. ops, I meant social-democrasy.
Anyway, a right wing coalition government with Høyre as the major party would in my opinion be the best choice for Norway.
A lot a taxation would disappear or become smaller if FrP ruled Norway, such as inheritance and property tax. Using more of the oil money on infrastructure is a no-brainer in my opinion. Things like this would benefit the average joe as well, not just the rich people. Taking away some taxations and privatizing some parts of the market doesn't necessarily take away rights such as free heath care, but it would have potential to weaken the strong bureaucracy in this country and open up for some valuable competition in many fields.
The socialists don't really want you to start a business. They'd rather have you working as a paper mover at NAV or some other public institution. The public sector is almost as big as the private sector. Now, is that the society you'd like to live in?
Ever asked yourself why we have no big international companies besides Statoil and Telenor(both owned by the government)? Socialism kills innovation. ops, I meant social-democrasy.
Anyway, a right wing coalition government with Høyre as the major party would in my opinion be the best choice for Norway.
2012-04-22 18:53:15
You bring up some good points. Although, the oil money isn't limitless. And it was the way this government managed the oilfund that got us through the economic crisis in Europe without us citizens even noticing it. Then FrP actually critisized that AP used money from the oilfund.
I think the best possible government would be Høyre, Ap and Senterpartiet. Extremist parties like The extreme left wing and the extreme right wing are important to kick the bigger parties in the nuts sometimes, but that is basically their best function.
And if you cut the taxes, some of the benefits we receive will have to be cut too, it's just common sense. The oilfund doesn't last that many years if we don't preserve it.
But of course, I do think you have a point when it comes to people beeing able to start businesses. We should encourage that.
I think the best possible government would be Høyre, Ap and Senterpartiet. Extremist parties like The extreme left wing and the extreme right wing are important to kick the bigger parties in the nuts sometimes, but that is basically their best function.
And if you cut the taxes, some of the benefits we receive will have to be cut too, it's just common sense. The oilfund doesn't last that many years if we don't preserve it.
But of course, I do think you have a point when it comes to people beeing able to start businesses. We should encourage that.
2012-04-22 19:16:55
Don't care about human rights to face that type of criminal. He killed 77 ppl!! he should be in a death penalty or a shawshank for rest of his fucking life.
2012-04-21 13:58:18
killing him is far too easy punishment tbh, he did something inhumane he deserves something equally cruel, 3rd degree torture for the rest of his life please.
2012-04-21 14:13:43
Torturing and killing the guy won't bring anyone back, so what's the point? Shrink down to his level?
Norwegian law system is about rehabilitating prisoners so they won't be a problem for society when they get out. In rear cases like this I can kind of understand the longing for an animalistic torture and death penalty, but it's a matter of principle.
Norwegian law system is about rehabilitating prisoners so they won't be a problem for society when they get out. In rear cases like this I can kind of understand the longing for an animalistic torture and death penalty, but it's a matter of principle.
2012-04-21 14:23:50
Wtf is all that crap about shrink down to his level. It's not.
He did that to innocent people, so he should be fucking tortured and made an example to other criminals. Not letting him live in a 4 star hotel for 20 years. (Oh, I guess I spelled Norwegian prison wrong.)
I wouldn't care if he massacred big criminals or terrorists like Bin Laden or something, but he did it to innocent people. So by torturing him we wouldn't shrink down to his level, because he is not inocent.
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He did that to innocent people, so he should be fucking tortured and made an example to other criminals. Not letting him live in a 4 star hotel for 20 years. (Oh, I guess I spelled Norwegian prison wrong.)
I wouldn't care if he massacred big criminals or terrorists like Bin Laden or something, but he did it to innocent people. So by torturing him we wouldn't shrink down to his level, because he is not inocent.
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2012-04-24 14:10:57
He will live in the "five star hotel" for the rest of his life, not just 20 years. It's obvious that you don't know much about Norway, so why even bother to comment on this?
2012-04-24 16:40:56
noone is in position to decide what another being deserves.
2012-04-21 14:31:33
cmon stfu, that's the dumbest comment I have ever read on this forum.
Will you let him walk freely or u would shoot him in the head if u could choose and u know that he killed so many ppl ?
srsly, I think u never lost some1 in war or smth so u can't know how is that, if u can't imagine shut your mouth and don't try to be fucking pacifist
Will you let him walk freely or u would shoot him in the head if u could choose and u know that he killed so many ppl ?
srsly, I think u never lost some1 in war or smth so u can't know how is that, if u can't imagine shut your mouth and don't try to be fucking pacifist
2012-04-21 15:20:29
I wouldn't kill him thats for sure. But you have already displayed through aggresive behaviour that this debate goes beyond your primitive reckoning.
this conversation is now over, have a good one sir.
this conversation is now over, have a good one sir.
2012-04-21 15:31:07
Are you kidding me?
2012-04-21 16:39:49
No I'm not kidding, in which part u don't agree so we can discuss it ?
I have my opinion, and I stand to it no matter what, those kind of ppl should be shot right after they do such things.
I don't like USA, but their law is awesome about those things. Death penalty is for cruel motherfuckers who deserve that, and Breivik is one of those. He isn't mentally ill he is just cold-blooded killer and he should be threated like that, he should be killed right after those crimes.
Cmon, srsly, how can u not agree when he shot 88 (!!!!!!!) ppl.
When u kill 1 man, it's like u killed whole planet for some1 (at least that's what my religion says, and I feel like that also !), some1 lost his life just because u want to be world-popular mass killer ? And, no, I don't give a fuck about how much pacifist care about him, and also I don't want to hear some1 who hasn't lost part of their familly how Breivik should be threated nicely. If u reply, pls get your facts straight and we can discuss like normal ppl, not like guy above me.
p.s. for those swearing, pardon me, I'm just anoyed of how much mindfucking is on those forums
I have my opinion, and I stand to it no matter what, those kind of ppl should be shot right after they do such things.
I don't like USA, but their law is awesome about those things. Death penalty is for cruel motherfuckers who deserve that, and Breivik is one of those. He isn't mentally ill he is just cold-blooded killer and he should be threated like that, he should be killed right after those crimes.
Cmon, srsly, how can u not agree when he shot 88 (!!!!!!!) ppl.
When u kill 1 man, it's like u killed whole planet for some1 (at least that's what my religion says, and I feel like that also !), some1 lost his life just because u want to be world-popular mass killer ? And, no, I don't give a fuck about how much pacifist care about him, and also I don't want to hear some1 who hasn't lost part of their familly how Breivik should be threated nicely. If u reply, pls get your facts straight and we can discuss like normal ppl, not like guy above me.
p.s. for those swearing, pardon me, I'm just anoyed of how much mindfucking is on those forums
2012-04-21 17:35:44
I just don't think killing him is going to help. I agree he deserves to be punished, but I don't believe killing him in the right solution.
I do, however, get your point and I understand what you're saying, but I still disagree. I really don't think Death penalty is the way to go, but yes as I stated before, I do get your point, and there is definitely a chance my opinion would be different if it was I who lost someone.
I do, however, get your point and I understand what you're saying, but I still disagree. I really don't think Death penalty is the way to go, but yes as I stated before, I do get your point, and there is definitely a chance my opinion would be different if it was I who lost someone.
2012-04-21 18:33:59
I agree, your opinion is nice.
+1
Maybe it wouldn't solve anything but I still think those guys deserve death penalty, just because they are not those who can judge to ppl, but when they do, any1 can judge their "work"
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+1
Maybe it wouldn't solve anything but I still think those guys deserve death penalty, just because they are not those who can judge to ppl, but when they do, any1 can judge their "work"
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2012-04-21 18:57:23
lol, nice point, but how you want to punish man, who killed so many people and be sure that this punisment will not make him kill again when he get out.
man, this guy must be like: lol, i killed almost 100 people and im having this nice room here, i get food regulary, i can watch TV sometimes, thats not so bad...what will i do when they let me out?
that make me fckin angry
man, this guy must be like: lol, i killed almost 100 people and im having this nice room here, i get food regulary, i can watch TV sometimes, thats not so bad...what will i do when they let me out?
that make me fckin angry
2012-04-22 14:00:15
He decided what other people deserved, why not decide for him as well ?
2012-04-21 16:16:56
cuz that would make us equally bad now wouldnt it.
2012-04-21 16:34:32
Maybe, but he deserves it.
2012-04-21 17:00:50
maybe, but maybe the people he killed also deserved to die.
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2012-04-21 17:03:51
u sir, are retarded srsly. Men and women walking down the street, inocently deserved to die ??
Go to hospital pls, u need some medicaments
Go to hospital pls, u need some medicaments
2012-04-21 17:25:09
i think my first reply to u was clear enough.
2012-04-21 17:26:39
Oh, sorry, u will now try to beat the shit out of me over internet ?
I am, at this moment, shitting my pants.
Sorry sir
I am, at this moment, shitting my pants.
Sorry sir
2012-04-21 17:36:28
dude you are fucking stupid.
2012-04-22 13:58:38
so he should'nt be in jail, you say.
2012-04-22 13:57:51
Thats how you roll in Pakistan? Are you scared already that his ideas will find some followers and you will have to go back to that shithole in karachi?
2012-04-22 13:21:19
I wouldn't like to talk about that, but in general, he killed 77 proud fans of social democratic party and wanted to save his country against immigrants, what a bravery!
2012-04-21 14:30:22
as far as I know there are no life imprisonment in Sweden, so he'll be sentenced to 15 years or smth like that.
2012-04-21 14:35:24
sweden what?
2012-04-21 15:07:33
Fk, Norway ofc. LOL
2012-04-21 15:19:11
I'm quite sure he won't leave the prison until his death. Quite sure.
2012-04-21 17:58:17
if Breivik lived in Greece he would blow the Parliament kill all politics and their families ,till 3rd grade relatives and execute all Youth of both parties that ruled the country from 1975 till 2012.
2012-04-21 18:11:38
I'm in favor of the death penalti in this case.
2012-04-21 18:55:55
What if everything ends up with him being right about he's prediction of Europe...? Thew problem with the Western world is we have no patriotism any longer...
2012-04-21 19:10:09
His beliefs are good and needed atm, him and his methods are fucked up though obviously.
2012-04-21 19:16:52
Jesus, you scared me with the first sentence.
2012-04-22 04:02:40
He is a murderer so IMO immediate death penalty is the only option. Nevertheless I agree with everything he says about cultural marxists (i read about 40 pages of his manifesto), and if I lived in western europe I'd be probably very concerned about immigrants who don't assimilate with locals. However I don't live in Norway so it's not for me to decide ^^
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2012-04-21 20:19:01
Everybody can be randomly selected to be checked, it's European law :)
2012-04-22 12:28:23
I must admit I'm always embarrassed to see comments of fellow-europeans who pretend that they own their country, it's ridiculous. If I would be a muslim and was forced to live in a country where no one appreciates my presence and no one is reaching out to help you then I doubt if I would be any different. I'm Dutch and I've been living in China for a while and people are extremely kind and welcoming to foreigners here. People who dislike muslims should put their prejudice and cultural difference aside for a moment and give a visit to some middle eastern countries.
2012-04-22 15:08:40
"forced to live in a country where no one appreciates my presence"
I just love that sentence. You should write a book on political correctness.
I just love that sentence. You should write a book on political correctness.
2012-04-22 18:44:01
ideally we should all think like that. I think the worst countries when it comes to accepting other cultures is countries with immense national pride.
2012-04-22 23:06:51
and how did you end with wearing the swedish flag? .... swedish fanboi?
2012-04-23 20:28:30
Ok he is not terrorist he is ill man or smhtng like that, but when muslim strikes than eveyone say he's terrorist, they should kill him etc.
Retards, in Siria dies everyday 30-40 ppl and noone talking about that, who fucks that retard who wanted some attention...
Retards, in Siria dies everyday 30-40 ppl and noone talking about that, who fucks that retard who wanted some attention...
2012-04-22 18:44:52
Well, you are wrong here.
First of all, suicide bombing is a wide spread and known thing, it happens in middle east all the time (not everyday obviously) and there is nothing new there. And suicide bombers and other bombers do this 99.9% of time in the name of their religion. And again they are almost all muslims. And terrorism is organised. There are leaders among them who preach their teachings and look for new recruits.
Now, back to norway. Peaceful, intelligent and welfare state. Now, one day norweigan own citizen decides to kill his own citizens(altough he chose them by ethnic and cultural backround.
No wonder this is shocking to the entire world and people are wondering over him and his act. It's not an everyday occurance.
So your parallel in case of siria is not a good one, actually, it dosen't fit at all.
First of all, suicide bombing is a wide spread and known thing, it happens in middle east all the time (not everyday obviously) and there is nothing new there. And suicide bombers and other bombers do this 99.9% of time in the name of their religion. And again they are almost all muslims. And terrorism is organised. There are leaders among them who preach their teachings and look for new recruits.
Now, back to norway. Peaceful, intelligent and welfare state. Now, one day norweigan own citizen decides to kill his own citizens(altough he chose them by ethnic and cultural backround.
No wonder this is shocking to the entire world and people are wondering over him and his act. It's not an everyday occurance.
So your parallel in case of siria is not a good one, actually, it dosen't fit at all.
2012-04-22 19:07:35
Are you that stupid ?
Ppl think and write more about this retard, than to ppl who every day day in Middle East.
Do you even know what is terrorist act ?
In my country muslim strike American ambasy and he just hurt 2 police officers, and that was terrorist act. Why ? Simply 'cause he's a muslim. I'm muslim and I know that there is muslims which bealive that some parts of holy Kur'an are exactly what they do, and ofc its not. But when some muslim strike american soldiers, and cut his head off, it's ok for me, 'cause they want a war, they came in their homes.
Ppl think and write more about this retard, than to ppl who every day day in Middle East.
Do you even know what is terrorist act ?
In my country muslim strike American ambasy and he just hurt 2 police officers, and that was terrorist act. Why ? Simply 'cause he's a muslim. I'm muslim and I know that there is muslims which bealive that some parts of holy Kur'an are exactly what they do, and ofc its not. But when some muslim strike american soldiers, and cut his head off, it's ok for me, 'cause they want a war, they came in their homes.
2012-04-22 19:31:30
I don't consider myself stupid.
English isn't my first language and I wrote in a hurry but as I read trough my previous post again, I think I made it pretty clear why Breivik case is getting so much media attention- it's something very shocking, noone couldn't expect such a thing and the act itself, just walking calmly and killing childrens one by one with dum-dum bullets etc.. -Why bother describing the details, google if you don't know. But you should be able to understand as said before, it's not an ordinary crime, wheter suicide bombing and religious killings in middle east are. That should be easy. If you can't understand it, then I can't help you anymore.
I, as an atheist, found it pretty amusing interpretation of religion, as you said how some interperate quran. If there was a god and he/she/it sent some kind of holy teaching to the planet earth- then all that is written in it should be absolute truth, because word of god can't be wrong and interpeted by people. This is verry common in christians, as some believe in creation and that the earth is 6500 years old as it says in the Bible and some believe in the evolution. There are tons of examples. Altough im not that aware of quran, have planning to read it but haven't had the time. But obviously there are flaws in all religious texts, because they are man made.
And I am 100% against all killing and war. But, if a state of god, as Iran is, is working on nucelar weapons, then war is justified.
English isn't my first language and I wrote in a hurry but as I read trough my previous post again, I think I made it pretty clear why Breivik case is getting so much media attention- it's something very shocking, noone couldn't expect such a thing and the act itself, just walking calmly and killing childrens one by one with dum-dum bullets etc.. -Why bother describing the details, google if you don't know. But you should be able to understand as said before, it's not an ordinary crime, wheter suicide bombing and religious killings in middle east are. That should be easy. If you can't understand it, then I can't help you anymore.
I, as an atheist, found it pretty amusing interpretation of religion, as you said how some interperate quran. If there was a god and he/she/it sent some kind of holy teaching to the planet earth- then all that is written in it should be absolute truth, because word of god can't be wrong and interpeted by people. This is verry common in christians, as some believe in creation and that the earth is 6500 years old as it says in the Bible and some believe in the evolution. There are tons of examples. Altough im not that aware of quran, have planning to read it but haven't had the time. But obviously there are flaws in all religious texts, because they are man made.
And I am 100% against all killing and war. But, if a state of god, as Iran is, is working on nucelar weapons, then war is justified.
2012-04-22 20:59:37
Dude, sorry for my words, but I can't explain you. I as muslim hate to see, this kind of things. When one muslim decide to kill ppl than all muslims are narrow minded etc etc. But when Christian do it, than it's "ok" ( not ok, but you know what I mean )
And absolute dissagre when you said "all holy books are written by human" no dude, read Kur'an, this holy book is so amazing. I just don't get how someone denie a God. We are perfect creatures (We = humans) and who created us ? I just don't get it. And you will ask now why does he don't show to us. Dude, we are on this planet 'cause we are on some "experiment". On this planet God will see who we are, and if he show to us, everybody would bealive. He annouched Kur'an through Muhammed a.s and he is last prophet. In Kur'an you can't find that "Jesus" is like Muhammed a.s only prophet. And if you search to real "Bibble" you will see that on the last pages of this book, they say that one more prophet will come to the earth. But curch denies it. And if you watch documentary film "Arrivals" you will see why.
I wrote this 'cause maybe you can find a time to see all this fact, and start to bealive, and save yourself.
Peace :)
And absolute dissagre when you said "all holy books are written by human" no dude, read Kur'an, this holy book is so amazing. I just don't get how someone denie a God. We are perfect creatures (We = humans) and who created us ? I just don't get it. And you will ask now why does he don't show to us. Dude, we are on this planet 'cause we are on some "experiment". On this planet God will see who we are, and if he show to us, everybody would bealive. He annouched Kur'an through Muhammed a.s and he is last prophet. In Kur'an you can't find that "Jesus" is like Muhammed a.s only prophet. And if you search to real "Bibble" you will see that on the last pages of this book, they say that one more prophet will come to the earth. But curch denies it. And if you watch documentary film "Arrivals" you will see why.
I wrote this 'cause maybe you can find a time to see all this fact, and start to bealive, and save yourself.
Peace :)
2012-04-23 19:21:24
First of all, the fact that you claim Breivik to be christian (as I assume altough you didn't spell his name out) and as it seems you think he did this in the name of his belief shows somewhat narrowness of religious people. ( No offence! :)
White man dosen't equal christian! Scandinavian countries and Estonia aswell are one of the most non-religious countries in the world. Big majority dosen't believe in god at all. And Scandinavian countries, as it is well known (not Estonia) are best countries in the world to live in and have the best standard of living. On the other hand, deeply religious countries are archaic, standard of living is low, women are being discriminated and there is lot of crime done in the name of religion. Coincidence? I don't think so...
Altough I am not 100% sure, but Breivik isn't a christian, even if he is, he didn't do this in the name of religion. He had other motives. Again, google it if you don't know the facts before arguing. Breivik himself claimed to be freemason or illuminati whatever you prefer.
Lastly, I assume you agree that there are "wrong" religions to you. Wrong gods and religions that are false. So I would guess that you have to think that those false religions teachings are man written and their god/gods is/are man made.
Actually, I will go further and say it for you, that you have to think that all other religions besides yours are false and they are false preachings. As your religion says, there is no god besides Allah.
So you are saying, (which I also agree) that Apollo, Zeus, Aphrodite, Thor, Buddha etc (thre are thousands of gods and religions through out the human history) are all false and they never have been existed, man made gods. BUT, you take the huge leap of faith and say that Quran is the right one, that the Allah is the true god. And your evidence for this magnificent claim is the book Quran, which you think is amazing, that's why it has to be true. Harry Potter was also an amazing book, do you also believe this to be true? And by the way, have you read all the religious teachings of hundreds of religions troughout the history and then reached to conclusion that Quran is the right one? I doubt it. You are muslim and have read the Quran because you were born in muslim country, muslim family. If you were born in 12th century Norway, you would believe in Thor.
I wrote this, because maybe you can realise the biggest illusion of mankind and start living, stop wasting time on religion and enjoying your life without being afraid of some illusional supernatural "big brother" who watches your every move. In my opinion it's immoral to preach kids from young age a huge lie that there is somebody who decides in the end if you burn in enteral fire or get 72 virgins. That's just psychological terror.
PeacE to you too, gl.
White man dosen't equal christian! Scandinavian countries and Estonia aswell are one of the most non-religious countries in the world. Big majority dosen't believe in god at all. And Scandinavian countries, as it is well known (not Estonia) are best countries in the world to live in and have the best standard of living. On the other hand, deeply religious countries are archaic, standard of living is low, women are being discriminated and there is lot of crime done in the name of religion. Coincidence? I don't think so...
Altough I am not 100% sure, but Breivik isn't a christian, even if he is, he didn't do this in the name of religion. He had other motives. Again, google it if you don't know the facts before arguing. Breivik himself claimed to be freemason or illuminati whatever you prefer.
Lastly, I assume you agree that there are "wrong" religions to you. Wrong gods and religions that are false. So I would guess that you have to think that those false religions teachings are man written and their god/gods is/are man made.
Actually, I will go further and say it for you, that you have to think that all other religions besides yours are false and they are false preachings. As your religion says, there is no god besides Allah.
So you are saying, (which I also agree) that Apollo, Zeus, Aphrodite, Thor, Buddha etc (thre are thousands of gods and religions through out the human history) are all false and they never have been existed, man made gods. BUT, you take the huge leap of faith and say that Quran is the right one, that the Allah is the true god. And your evidence for this magnificent claim is the book Quran, which you think is amazing, that's why it has to be true. Harry Potter was also an amazing book, do you also believe this to be true? And by the way, have you read all the religious teachings of hundreds of religions troughout the history and then reached to conclusion that Quran is the right one? I doubt it. You are muslim and have read the Quran because you were born in muslim country, muslim family. If you were born in 12th century Norway, you would believe in Thor.
I wrote this, because maybe you can realise the biggest illusion of mankind and start living, stop wasting time on religion and enjoying your life without being afraid of some illusional supernatural "big brother" who watches your every move. In my opinion it's immoral to preach kids from young age a huge lie that there is somebody who decides in the end if you burn in enteral fire or get 72 virgins. That's just psychological terror.
PeacE to you too, gl.
2012-04-23 21:07:16
You can't compare Harry Potter book with Kur'an.
Ofc you didn't read it, 'cause if you had you would see how stilistical(I don't know if I spell it right) form of Kur'an is. And scientic told, if they bring all those scientic and put them together, they wouldn't be capable of write something like Kur'an. And there is always idiots, who think opposite, sorry but for me pure idiots. And than if I try to say to you what happened to me, when i was reading Kur'an or doing some kind of pray, you would tell me it's placebo effect, but i won't arrgue with you.
You didn't answer me, who created us ? We were created by who ?
Do you really bealive that our cousins are monkeys ? hahaha dude it's pure "illuminati" thing. They have,must, and in bottom line they do it, they play with your mind. I was muslim from birth as you said, but i didn't took attention, until I saw documentary film "Arrivals". Those guys are insane, they put so many evidence against illuminati, and they show to ppl that they exist, and that they bealive in "Lucifer" or "Dajjal" or "Satan" or "Devil" it's same evil "God" ( God for illuminati ) and if you start searching on youtube or somewhere you can find, "most famous illuminatis". And in one documentary that i saw, some guy explained who are illuminatis, and he showed a most famous illuminati,hmm i forgot his name, but I think he was from America. And they accept a truth that there is a God of good side "Allah dz.s" and that there is a "Dajjal" their God, but they bealive in "Dajjal". Guess why ? 'cause he promised them everything, and they got it, but only on this world, but when they die, they will be alone in front of Allah dz.s! I can write you 5 days, but if you don't see it by yourself, you will always denied it, and you must open your heart, when you read, or watch something about religion.
It's easy to say "ok there is no God, i didn't hear him or see him" Ok we'll see, I can say only that.
Human only created 4 rel
igions of one, and that's why there is a huge number of atheist.
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Ofc you didn't read it, 'cause if you had you would see how stilistical(I don't know if I spell it right) form of Kur'an is. And scientic told, if they bring all those scientic and put them together, they wouldn't be capable of write something like Kur'an. And there is always idiots, who think opposite, sorry but for me pure idiots. And than if I try to say to you what happened to me, when i was reading Kur'an or doing some kind of pray, you would tell me it's placebo effect, but i won't arrgue with you.
You didn't answer me, who created us ? We were created by who ?
Do you really bealive that our cousins are monkeys ? hahaha dude it's pure "illuminati" thing. They have,must, and in bottom line they do it, they play with your mind. I was muslim from birth as you said, but i didn't took attention, until I saw documentary film "Arrivals". Those guys are insane, they put so many evidence against illuminati, and they show to ppl that they exist, and that they bealive in "Lucifer" or "Dajjal" or "Satan" or "Devil" it's same evil "God" ( God for illuminati ) and if you start searching on youtube or somewhere you can find, "most famous illuminatis". And in one documentary that i saw, some guy explained who are illuminatis, and he showed a most famous illuminati,hmm i forgot his name, but I think he was from America. And they accept a truth that there is a God of good side "Allah dz.s" and that there is a "Dajjal" their God, but they bealive in "Dajjal". Guess why ? 'cause he promised them everything, and they got it, but only on this world, but when they die, they will be alone in front of Allah dz.s! I can write you 5 days, but if you don't see it by yourself, you will always denied it, and you must open your heart, when you read, or watch something about religion.
It's easy to say "ok there is no God, i didn't hear him or see him" Ok we'll see, I can say only that.
Human only created 4 rel
igions of one, and that's why there is a huge number of atheist.
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2012-04-24 14:04:03
Im gonna skip answring your first paragraph, because you did not say anything new or responded my arguments. You are just defending your beliefs in very narrow-minded and emotional way, getting into details of quran, which are actually not the case I was making in my previous reply. You should read it again. Teachings can be inspirational, magnificent or great and still be man made.
But I would answer your following questions:
"who created us ? We were created by who ? Do you really bealive that our cousins are monkeys ?"
Who created us? Well, for a start, this question implies that there is a creator. That someone must have created us. You are asking the wrong question. The right question would be: "How did we get here?" or "How was the universe created, is there anything beyond universe? If, then what?" etc.. Anyway, question in lines like that.
So, how did we get here? How did it all start? Well, noone knows. There is a theory for the start of the universe, the big bang. Obviously you have heard about it. Altough scientist are pretty sure of it and it shouldn't be "theory" anymore, but nevermind. What was before the big bang? We don't know. There are theories though..
It's perfectyly normal to admit that we don't know it. And it's wrong to jump to conclusion: "Heh, we don't know, then GOD must have done it". Vikings used to think that eclipse was caused by an evil god and they tried to frighten him away by screaming and wavinvg with their weapons. Nowadays we have a perfectly good scientific explanation for eclipse. Filling gaps with "god" is worong and dosen't help us anyway. Science has gradualy reduced those gaps and we have more answers than we used to have. We can hope that one day we know what caused the big bang or what was before the big bang etc..
And your answer to origin of life that "god" created us, dosen't close any gaps, actually, it opens even bigger gap which is- who/what created the god?
"Do you really belive that our cousins are monkeys ?"
Yes, and actually every living organism can be related back to common ancestor. It's called the evolution. And you have to realise that evolution isn't something that took place within hundreds of years, it took billions of years of evolution for us humans to get here.
And evolution is scientific FACT, perfectly clear evidence for this has been founded from examing the DNA's of living beings.
I reccomend you to study evolution and try to understand this inellectually and you find evolution more magnificent and beautiful than an idea of some god.
I hope I answered your questions..
But I would answer your following questions:
"who created us ? We were created by who ? Do you really bealive that our cousins are monkeys ?"
Who created us? Well, for a start, this question implies that there is a creator. That someone must have created us. You are asking the wrong question. The right question would be: "How did we get here?" or "How was the universe created, is there anything beyond universe? If, then what?" etc.. Anyway, question in lines like that.
So, how did we get here? How did it all start? Well, noone knows. There is a theory for the start of the universe, the big bang. Obviously you have heard about it. Altough scientist are pretty sure of it and it shouldn't be "theory" anymore, but nevermind. What was before the big bang? We don't know. There are theories though..
It's perfectyly normal to admit that we don't know it. And it's wrong to jump to conclusion: "Heh, we don't know, then GOD must have done it". Vikings used to think that eclipse was caused by an evil god and they tried to frighten him away by screaming and wavinvg with their weapons. Nowadays we have a perfectly good scientific explanation for eclipse. Filling gaps with "god" is worong and dosen't help us anyway. Science has gradualy reduced those gaps and we have more answers than we used to have. We can hope that one day we know what caused the big bang or what was before the big bang etc..
And your answer to origin of life that "god" created us, dosen't close any gaps, actually, it opens even bigger gap which is- who/what created the god?
"Do you really belive that our cousins are monkeys ?"
Yes, and actually every living organism can be related back to common ancestor. It's called the evolution. And you have to realise that evolution isn't something that took place within hundreds of years, it took billions of years of evolution for us humans to get here.
And evolution is scientific FACT, perfectly clear evidence for this has been founded from examing the DNA's of living beings.
I reccomend you to study evolution and try to understand this inellectually and you find evolution more magnificent and beautiful than an idea of some god.
I hope I answered your questions..
2012-04-24 20:38:16
hahahaha dude you are so blind...
Scientic = illuminatis, only that and for bright man everything is clear. How do I know ? There is at least 10 very good documentary about that. And Americans(NASA) have tehnology 50 years in front of us, but they didn't say to us why ? Who told them not to? Why Americans defending Israel ? And if Kur'an is human made how in this holy book everything "someone" predict? And if you read Kur'an you must be really cleaver to understand, most of parts of Kur'an.
Sorry for your blindness.
They said smthng on the news and you instantly bealive them, nice work for them, and you are just one of many who didn't turn their brain on
Scientic = illuminatis, only that and for bright man everything is clear. How do I know ? There is at least 10 very good documentary about that. And Americans(NASA) have tehnology 50 years in front of us, but they didn't say to us why ? Who told them not to? Why Americans defending Israel ? And if Kur'an is human made how in this holy book everything "someone" predict? And if you read Kur'an you must be really cleaver to understand, most of parts of Kur'an.
Sorry for your blindness.
They said smthng on the news and you instantly bealive them, nice work for them, and you are just one of many who didn't turn their brain on
2012-04-25 13:05:53
He will get 21 years, and 14 innocent guys in Belgrade got 240 years for "killing one french guy".
FUCK LAWS!
FUCK LAWS!
2012-04-22 20:08:28
jeez he won't get out of the prison for his whole life ;)
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2012-04-23 00:14:28
Neither will this guys..
2012-04-23 11:20:30
240years? for 14 people? thats around 16-18 years for each .... is here everyone talking bullshit chez
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2012-04-23 20:33:13
Most of them got 14 years, and couple of guys got 30years, and they are completely innocent, there isn't a single evidence that they did it.. One guy wasn't even there,police officer was writing him a parking ticket in a different street in the exact moment of accident (there is a ticket, which was not considered as a evidence in his defense), and he got 14 years.. They are convicted politically, and will be hold in prison as long as it needs. Quite simple, Serbian government is sucking French cock..
2012-04-24 08:10:53
from where the hell do you know that kind of information about where they were and what they did? are you one of them? are you the police chief of this case/area?
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2012-04-24 08:18:58
On of my best friends is convicted, and trial was open for public so I heard everything myself..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glQK71PDYrw
Take a look by yourself, they are even making a movie about it..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glQK71PDYrw
Take a look by yourself, they are even making a movie about it..
2012-04-24 09:27:55
all this hype about this case shows the value of European lives compared 2 other people.How many people die in middle east,africa? Thousands and thousands each day.And nobody cares.All we see is 1 min news about some muslim killed himself and took 100 people with him.
Crazy dude kills 7 people in France - Lets speak about this 4 weeks!Just to give the europeans this feeling that they are in war or smthn.All this anti-islam propaganda is working so good now.I bet europe will bomb Iran very soon,and most of the europeans will be ok with it.After they will finish Iran another crazy muslim dude will break in embassy,market and kill 50 people for example.And Europe will have another enemy))Not to mention that with every attack world will become more and more "POLICE STATE"
This is why this shit is all over the news.IMO
sorry 4 my english
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Crazy dude kills 7 people in France - Lets speak about this 4 weeks!Just to give the europeans this feeling that they are in war or smthn.All this anti-islam propaganda is working so good now.I bet europe will bomb Iran very soon,and most of the europeans will be ok with it.After they will finish Iran another crazy muslim dude will break in embassy,market and kill 50 people for example.And Europe will have another enemy))Not to mention that with every attack world will become more and more "POLICE STATE"
This is why this shit is all over the news.IMO
sorry 4 my english
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2012-04-23 03:22:03
I can't wait for someone to attack Iran, especially when Mr. Ahmedine(or whatever is he called) launches his nuclear missiles across the globe :)
2012-04-23 11:22:59
I rather wait , this war could be ugly and global
2012-04-23 13:58:36
Yes, but someone will finally show teeth to damned US..
2012-04-23 20:33:39
So you would prefer a "state of god" to have a nucelar weapon? The ability to swipe millions of peoples from the planet earth?
2012-04-23 21:28:05
we already have that with the US..?
2012-04-23 22:51:02
Actually no.
USA is one of the few countries in the world that has spearated church and the goverment 100%. That is made clear in the first amendment.
Altough it's true, there is alot of relgious people in USA, but the thing is, goverment is not directly affected by it. True, members of geverment do belong in some religious communties, but I would say it is more because of political reasons, not that members of goverment truly beleieve in their specific religion or run the country accordingly to religion.
But, Iran on the other hand is a country where religion plays a great role in the leadership of the country. Iran has Islam as a Law, meaning, that the Quran's teachings are the greatest law in the country. That is why Iran is the state of god and it should be seriously avoided that those kind of countries could get their hands on nucelar weapons
USA is one of the few countries in the world that has spearated church and the goverment 100%. That is made clear in the first amendment.
Altough it's true, there is alot of relgious people in USA, but the thing is, goverment is not directly affected by it. True, members of geverment do belong in some religious communties, but I would say it is more because of political reasons, not that members of goverment truly beleieve in their specific religion or run the country accordingly to religion.
But, Iran on the other hand is a country where religion plays a great role in the leadership of the country. Iran has Islam as a Law, meaning, that the Quran's teachings are the greatest law in the country. That is why Iran is the state of god and it should be seriously avoided that those kind of countries could get their hands on nucelar weapons
2012-04-23 23:10:43
It really doesn't matter, each county should have it's own internal policy, and no one have right to interfere in that. Us sticks there nose in almost every country on the world, finding ways to increase their wealth and exploiting natural resources..
2012-04-24 09:25:31
It dosen't matter? So you are suicidal? You wouldn't mind if you were dead tomorrow? Okay then.. no point arguing with you then..
But all people who care about their lives and well being, should care what goes on in the world, and they should interfere where soemthing possibly devastating is going to happen..
But all people who care about their lives and well being, should care what goes on in the world, and they should interfere where soemthing possibly devastating is going to happen..
2012-04-24 11:10:37
Any country with nuclear weapons should not state that xyz cant have nuclear power, we have seen this already that US claimed Iraq had nukes and saddam might use them, millions of lives lost and later we find out that no WMD's were found, they are doing the same with Iran this time stating that it is led by radical Islamist and they can attack an American Ally soon which is Israel.
Israel and Iran has been arch enemies for a long while now, but since Israel has influential friends Iran is paying the price for it, with the amount of people Israel has killed in Palestine and regular reports of how trigger happy they are I consider Israel as a bigger threat than Iran with proven nuclear power not assumed like Iran.
Israel and Iran has been arch enemies for a long while now, but since Israel has influential friends Iran is paying the price for it, with the amount of people Israel has killed in Palestine and regular reports of how trigger happy they are I consider Israel as a bigger threat than Iran with proven nuclear power not assumed like Iran.
2012-04-24 13:53:43
Besidess the fact that it is an international law that countries are not allowed to get nucelar weapons, which Iran has signed, it should be logical and understandable that countries having nucelar weapons is wrong.
If it was up to me, I would remove all nucelar weapons from the planet earth, but unforunately during the world war II and cold war some countries achieved creating nucelar weapons. Now it's general principal and signed treaty that countries without nucelar weapons must avoid getting their hands on them.
So it's okay in every way that USA is stating that Iran can't have nucelar power, actually, it's every countrys duty to do exactly that.
And it's international nucelar agency of some kind who has informed that Iran is working on nucelar weapons. So it's not just USA as it was case with Iraq.
Obviously it is a shame that USA and allies did not find any weapons of mass destructions as they stated before going to the war. At least they got rid of one dictator who had done cruel things in his regime.
There would be room for arguing if you would question the evidence for Iran working on nucelar wepaonary. That would be reasonable, but if you think that it is okay for Iran to have nucelar weapons then you are just wrong.
If it was up to me, I would remove all nucelar weapons from the planet earth, but unforunately during the world war II and cold war some countries achieved creating nucelar weapons. Now it's general principal and signed treaty that countries without nucelar weapons must avoid getting their hands on them.
So it's okay in every way that USA is stating that Iran can't have nucelar power, actually, it's every countrys duty to do exactly that.
And it's international nucelar agency of some kind who has informed that Iran is working on nucelar weapons. So it's not just USA as it was case with Iraq.
Obviously it is a shame that USA and allies did not find any weapons of mass destructions as they stated before going to the war. At least they got rid of one dictator who had done cruel things in his regime.
There would be room for arguing if you would question the evidence for Iran working on nucelar wepaonary. That would be reasonable, but if you think that it is okay for Iran to have nucelar weapons then you are just wrong.
2012-04-24 18:35:05
Although the US' agenda might not be as the media tells us always, the Middle East is still a mess. I happen to know a couple of Iranians, and they both see Iran as big of a problem as the US and Israel in this little nuclear dispute. Well, the political system is probably one of the reason they left the country in the first place, so it's not that surprising.
2012-04-23 22:56:31
thats because these states have the rights and the power for justice. btw your last part was completly bullshit and has nothing to do with that case :D
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2012-04-23 20:31:02
Best fragger in europe...true but sad
2012-04-23 21:33:03
cant I even go on hltv without seeing his name? but what should be done is that he gets whiped for hours every day the rest of his life, with only outdated bread and hot water to eat and drink.
2012-04-23 23:07:46
Mr. Who Cares said something in Norway!
2012-04-24 09:25:51
Wtf is all that crap about shrink down to his level if we tortured or killed him. It's not.
He did that to innocent people, so he should be fucking tortured and made an example to other criminals. Not letting him live in a 4 star hotel for 20 years. (Oh, I guess I spelled Norwegian prison wrong.)
I wouldn't care if he massacred big criminals or terrorists like Bin Laden or something, but he did it to innocent people. So by torturing him we wouldn't shrink down to his level, because he is not inocent.
He did that to innocent people, so he should be fucking tortured and made an example to other criminals. Not letting him live in a 4 star hotel for 20 years. (Oh, I guess I spelled Norwegian prison wrong.)
I wouldn't care if he massacred big criminals or terrorists like Bin Laden or something, but he did it to innocent people. So by torturing him we wouldn't shrink down to his level, because he is not inocent.
2012-04-24 14:14:04
Sometimes i have to agree with 3rd world countries do to their criminals
2012-04-24 18:20:56
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