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fnatics secret - ghosting?
http://www.hltv.org/?pageid=154&galleryid=4962..
look at this picture pls
cArn with headphones behind fnatic players
comment from swe guy
"on teamspeak with fnatic :)))) :D"
he can easily ghost were players of enemy team is and say it in teamspeak?!?!?!? wtf is this?
swedish admins..
look at this picture pls
cArn with headphones behind fnatic players
comment from swe guy
"on teamspeak with fnatic :)))) :D"
he can easily ghost were players of enemy team is and say it in teamspeak?!?!?!? wtf is this?
swedish admins..
Ghost on hltv with 1½-2 min delay?
2012-06-18 22:23:33
not sure if delay
cuz when they ended the match they all were happy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y77zzgZvfg&fea..
cuz when they ended the match they all were happy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y77zzgZvfg&fea..
2012-06-18 22:39:59
That's on stage, probably no delay.. the picture is from the tournament area.. and there is no chance to ghost from cArn's posision, the only thing he can see without delay is he's "own" team.
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2012-06-18 22:47:34
fresh fnatic lineup won vs these navi c*csucking abusermasters now some times and finals in a row, so lets make a desperate hater thread of ultimate desperation like this confused virtus Yuri-ladyboy.
poor eastrn EU ppl, monkeybrain doesnt fit your skull, try with reptile.
poor eastrn EU ppl, monkeybrain doesnt fit your skull, try with reptile.
2012-06-19 02:10:56
and sure those people behind carn couldn't see that he's ghosting. Stop crying now fnatic won DH and Swedish championship fair and square. Go to your corner now and cry me a river.
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2012-06-18 22:25:16
"and sure those people behind carn couldn't see that he's ghosting"
they are sweden? why they should tell anyone if their team win
they are sweden? why they should tell anyone if their team win
2012-06-18 22:28:34
Agree with you, I'm not saying that he ghosted.
2012-06-18 22:31:11
http://goo.gl/gZXx2
2012-06-18 22:42:16
coz of hating fnatic? sk fanboys, u kno?
2012-06-18 22:44:44
#1, hltv has like 30s-1m. delay so..
2012-06-18 22:29:04
No, it has either 1½, 2 or 3 minutes.
2012-06-18 22:32:03
I think it is 90 seconds/1½min :D
2012-06-18 23:16:19
fnatic ghosting, it would be true, swedes have "unfair play" in their dna?
2012-06-18 22:39:24
u lost bro?
2012-06-19 19:12:59
lan hltv dont have delay!!!
2012-06-18 22:39:37
ofc it does.. lol.
2012-06-18 22:48:30
ofc not or u think they comment with delay on stage for ppl? and not only on stage. use brain retard
Post edited 2012-06-18 22:53:26
Post edited 2012-06-18 22:53:26
2012-06-18 22:52:53
yeah but people before cArn wouldn't notice he was ghosting?
and do you really think that cArn'd do that even with all his respect in cs?
Post edited 2012-06-18 23:17:43
and do you really think that cArn'd do that even with all his respect in cs?
Post edited 2012-06-18 23:17:43
2012-06-18 23:17:03
i dont say anything about ghosting. i only say that lan hltv don't have delay
2012-06-18 23:22:03
Know that :)
2012-06-19 02:30:35
I have some good Russian friends but U being Russian amazes me.
2012-06-18 22:39:49
nothing to discuss here
closed
closed
2012-06-18 22:45:53
Lets ask ceh9 what he thinks about it
2012-06-18 22:50:24
indeed. this is how you put and end of discussion. You sir are a scholer.
2012-06-19 04:57:23
I'm suprised why this thread is not opened by freshmind
2012-06-18 22:55:49
Ofc they ghosted then on stage they only had luck
2012-06-18 22:59:43
cry baby cry .. take yourself in hand with FRESHMIND and cry
2012-06-18 23:03:05
as far as i know human should be smarter than monkey...but im rly not sure after few topics here
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2012-06-18 23:05:47
+1 :)
2012-06-18 23:20:01
There's actually some more things about fnatic cheating, ghosting and etc but I wont speak because trolls will troll me :\ gg anyway
2012-06-18 23:15:49
stage monitor have dalay?? from some videos i saw from other tournaments , the monitor behind players didnt have hltv delay , some1 can explain me this situation , this troll make me confuse
2012-06-18 23:16:22
Most likely scenario is that the screen you see on stage is a direct spectator in the server, thus having no delay
2012-06-18 23:18:50
so carn could easily ghost?
2012-06-18 23:20:19
Yes, but that was not possible on the stage final since cArn was casting.
The picture you see is in the tournament area, where he couldn't see any screen, just those of the fnatic players. Which still gives fnatic an advantage as cArn could be helping out tactically
The picture you see is in the tournament area, where he couldn't see any screen, just those of the fnatic players. Which still gives fnatic an advantage as cArn could be helping out tactically
2012-06-18 23:21:40
but in cast we was broadcasting hltv... so its impossible i think
2012-06-18 23:57:59
who needs cArn's tactics anyway :-P
2012-06-19 07:34:15
Debatable situation.
It's not ghosting, since cArn is looking at the screens of his own players. But in this way he still can be of tactical importance, thus giving fnatic an unfair advantage.
I'm a Benelux LAN admin for COD4, I wouldn't allow it in my tournaments.
It's not ghosting, since cArn is looking at the screens of his own players. But in this way he still can be of tactical importance, thus giving fnatic an unfair advantage.
I'm a Benelux LAN admin for COD4, I wouldn't allow it in my tournaments.
2012-06-18 23:20:20
i think all ppl that watched the stream 'DreamHack' casted by dsn&cArn can confirm that cArn wasnt fair atall.
before the game started dsn said "lets not speak that loud the players can hear us".
The game started on train, i think everything was ok beside that he was only showing fnatic players+cheering for fnatic, not a big deal i guess.
but the game on Mirage.. thats another story.. in some important situations he was screaming "Looks like A side is clear, they should get the c4 down right now" and "Edward 28HP, walking towards CT-spawn"(1v2 situation) and many more.. pretty lame imo
before the game started dsn said "lets not speak that loud the players can hear us".
The game started on train, i think everything was ok beside that he was only showing fnatic players+cheering for fnatic, not a big deal i guess.
but the game on Mirage.. thats another story.. in some important situations he was screaming "Looks like A side is clear, they should get the c4 down right now" and "Edward 28HP, walking towards CT-spawn"(1v2 situation) and many more.. pretty lame imo
2012-06-18 23:20:37
yep its true, its strange :)) fnatic playing well but? little help never bad
2012-06-18 23:25:25
Dreamhacks mistake letting a possible biased caster cast such a final. Games should always be casted by people who have no relationship to the teams/organisations playing.
But this is Dreamhacks mistake to think cArn can turn off his fnatic bias and cast this final neutrally. He is a former fnatic player, having played with the majority of the current line-up and still on the pay-roll for fnatic. It's not human to expect him to be neutral, as he has a too close of a relationship with fnatic.
But the same goes for dsn, who served for fnatic for many years. Dreamhack should've put GeT_RighT on stage to cast together with HeatoN, both neutral.
But this is Dreamhacks mistake to think cArn can turn off his fnatic bias and cast this final neutrally. He is a former fnatic player, having played with the majority of the current line-up and still on the pay-roll for fnatic. It's not human to expect him to be neutral, as he has a too close of a relationship with fnatic.
But the same goes for dsn, who served for fnatic for many years. Dreamhack should've put GeT_RighT on stage to cast together with HeatoN, both neutral.
2012-06-18 23:27:16
A simple solution would be to make sure the players don't hear the casters...
2012-06-18 23:31:52
Simple, but costly.
MLG has soundproof booths, but they cost a fair sum of money. MLG can use them 4/5 times a year though, so they are a long-term investment.
Dreamhack didn't prioritise sound-proof booths. Nothing wrong with that, but than you need to make sure the castings are neutral.
MLG has soundproof booths, but they cost a fair sum of money. MLG can use them 4/5 times a year though, so they are a long-term investment.
Dreamhack didn't prioritise sound-proof booths. Nothing wrong with that, but than you need to make sure the castings are neutral.
2012-06-18 23:35:35
sound proof booths, really? ever heard of noise canceling headphones?
2012-06-19 00:16:51
i think the simpler solution is using in ear sound and some v2 or 7h... both seem to cancel sound pretty well......
2012-06-19 07:46:35
+1
2012-06-19 07:41:08
The Swedes ahead of everyone in this sport as usual,
http://noffload.net/uploader/files/1/universal%20s..
http://noffload.net/uploader/files/1/universal%20s..
2012-06-19 20:11:20
Indeed bullshit by carn. :)
2012-06-18 23:43:27
Virtus.Pro > Yuri Boyka-1H's unsuccesful trolling secret - no brain?
2012-06-18 23:27:27
I feel disappointed of some users on HLTV, i mean seriously? I thought the writer was just trolling, but the comments are just pathetic..
2012-06-18 23:51:21
what happend is a fact. if u didnt watched the DreamHack stream u cant know, and i bet 80% of these kids in here watched on ScreamFag.com stream.. so nope u cant know.
2012-06-19 01:02:27
LOOOL XD people thinking that this is like their lan tournaments organized in school
2012-06-18 23:59:09
fr0d and ceh9 thinks the same and many many more
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2012-06-19 00:12:28
U ARE SO DUMB LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
2012-06-19 01:58:12
I CALL CHEATS ON THIS ONE =)
2012-06-19 03:43:37
I don't know why admins still haven't banned this virtus.pro guy.
Only makes threads with the intention of starting a flame war out of non senses.
Only makes threads with the intention of starting a flame war out of non senses.
2012-06-19 04:03:38
Guys? Winter is coming..
2012-06-19 04:53:23
Even worse than the thread creator, are some of the comments.
2012-06-19 06:22:06
i'm not getting this. In the picture i see carn with a notebook and headphones spectating fnatic, whats the big deal ¿?
then you say... "he was in ts with them"... so what ??
doesn't mean anything to me really
then you say... "he was in ts with them"... so what ??
doesn't mean anything to me really
2012-06-19 07:16:37
you guys are as dumb as fuck. i swear. all sk-navi fans trying to flame cause their team lost. as you can see there are people behind carn. do you think carn would do such a thing to put his reputation on the line? i dont see how carn's computer is connected to their lan cable or server. sk. navi lost due to firepower. you guys cant deny that. time to face the fact. stuff like edward being low, i dont really think it matters. what are a teaam for? obviously fnatic would already have info he is low from their very own players. if you realise TOP TEAMS report everything single shit from having defuse kits or not, or player's position or health. i see this from a nuetral point of view. fans should STOP whinning and instead praise them for their hard work. IMO fnatic and navi deserved to be in the final. both prac really hard, and if u listened to sk gtr interview he actually played more diablo 3 than cs. its just a matter of who wanted to prac and win more.
2012-06-19 07:33:35
Mind giving me your FB?Singapore CS Fans =D
2012-06-19 08:50:22
Can someone explain what delay are you speaking of?
2012-06-19 09:16:35
+1
curious about it =(
curious about it =(
2012-06-19 09:22:54
See #108.
2012-06-19 18:07:14
HLTV delay. If you do not know what it is, in terms of HLTV delay refers to the amount of time (usually in seconds) of difference between the live play/match action and when the spectator(s) actually watches it on his/her monitor.
It is usually of 90 seconds but for on stage comments, quite understandably, it has zero delay in order to be able to comment the action at the same it happens.
It is usually of 90 seconds but for on stage comments, quite understandably, it has zero delay in order to be able to comment the action at the same it happens.
2012-06-19 18:06:50
sore loosers cant accept defeat
2012-06-19 10:23:03
Impossible TaZ to detect cheats ))
2012-06-19 10:32:03
carn could't see the opponents pc's (this pic is from group stage). in top of that, fnatic didn't need any kind of help in group stage.
for the semifinal and the final, carn was commentator for dreamhack and for the audience.
sry, morons.
for the semifinal and the final, carn was commentator for dreamhack and for the audience.
sry, morons.
2012-06-19 10:35:50
Ok. Fnatic Cheated huh? So SK , ESC and NAVI were that idiots that if Fnatic was cheating they wouldn't complain! Yes nice! Oh please shut your fucking mouths...
2012-06-19 18:38:03
How anyone can be sure that cArn was watching CS on that laptop? LOL what a snitchez, accept, fantic top1 nowdays. What about their win on 3rd map on final in scene? cArn ghosting too? dafuq, gtfo!
2012-06-19 18:43:35
1) This is from the group-stage or semis, the team we are playing sits opposite us which means me or of my teammates are unable to see their screens.
2) I do not even communicating with my team, I simply listening in only.
3) I´m working on my PC meanwhile the game, I did not even launch CS which means that I do NOT see anything but the screens of my teammates.
4) I represent fair-play and have been doing so during my entire career, I have never ever ghosted or used illegal ways to overcome opponents.
5) I stick to every word I have said in previous ghosting situations(NaVi and EG), and I will do to my final breath as I´m 100% I´m accurate.
And regarding the casting, people are indeed right that it´s not suitable for a manager to do the casting under such circumstances where the cast is real-time, and the game is not played in a soundproof environment. I mentioned this to Dreamhack but they could not replace me or dsn as other casters rejected. I had accepted this job 2 months ago not really thinking about the scenario if Fnatic reach finals.
Anyway, I think if you on a later stage look over the VoD one more time you will seed that no game changing information was revealed by either me or dsn. Of course you need to mention health and weapons time to time, but this is something we did for both teams. People say we focused too much on Fnatic, that would of course mean revealing more of them as well which undermines the argument that we were helping Fnatic to their way to victory.
I guess that´s it for now, I´m willing to answer any more concerns regarding this.
Best regards,
The cArn
Post edited 2012-06-19 19:04:23
2) I do not even communicating with my team, I simply listening in only.
3) I´m working on my PC meanwhile the game, I did not even launch CS which means that I do NOT see anything but the screens of my teammates.
4) I represent fair-play and have been doing so during my entire career, I have never ever ghosted or used illegal ways to overcome opponents.
5) I stick to every word I have said in previous ghosting situations(NaVi and EG), and I will do to my final breath as I´m 100% I´m accurate.
And regarding the casting, people are indeed right that it´s not suitable for a manager to do the casting under such circumstances where the cast is real-time, and the game is not played in a soundproof environment. I mentioned this to Dreamhack but they could not replace me or dsn as other casters rejected. I had accepted this job 2 months ago not really thinking about the scenario if Fnatic reach finals.
Anyway, I think if you on a later stage look over the VoD one more time you will seed that no game changing information was revealed by either me or dsn. Of course you need to mention health and weapons time to time, but this is something we did for both teams. People say we focused too much on Fnatic, that would of course mean revealing more of them as well which undermines the argument that we were helping Fnatic to their way to victory.
I guess that´s it for now, I´m willing to answer any more concerns regarding this.
Best regards,
The cArn
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2012-06-19 19:03:46
"the cArn" Oh god I love you xD
2012-06-19 19:18:56
Been waiting for your reply for almost two days xax :D
tbh I expected you to be a bit more cruel :P
Regarding the choice of the casters....at DH for ex it'll always be somewhat "biased" since they don't hire professional casters like JoeM or Redeye, rather they get retired pros!
In a way all the retired Swedish pros have played in either SK/fnatic so they'll always root for their ex-team...case in point Heaton & Walle!
btw any info you could give us regarding a 2nd season of FCL?
Will it happen and when?
tbh I expected you to be a bit more cruel :P
Regarding the choice of the casters....at DH for ex it'll always be somewhat "biased" since they don't hire professional casters like JoeM or Redeye, rather they get retired pros!
In a way all the retired Swedish pros have played in either SK/fnatic so they'll always root for their ex-team...case in point Heaton & Walle!
btw any info you could give us regarding a 2nd season of FCL?
Will it happen and when?
2012-06-20 01:47:04
The amount of stupidity in this thread is TOO DAMN HIGH!
2012-06-20 01:49:35
he is not too stupid to do that in that place, he will do it from other place...
2012-06-20 01:58:33
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