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CRISTIANO RONALDO EURO 2012
he sucks
2012-06-27 11:12:50
if he sucks you suck big time
2012-06-27 11:13:13
ronaldo has the biggest dumb ego who has ever walked a soccer field. The national team is build a round him because of his ego. He always blames his teammates for playing bad. He even thinks he is better as messi? wtf no way.
2012-06-27 11:19:11
He even named his son: Cristiano Ronaldo Junior
pahahahaha
pahahahaha
2012-06-27 11:27:56
he names his son wtv he wants
i'm sure you would like to have his life, but you are more like a troll to me
i'm sure you would like to have his life, but you are more like a troll to me
2012-06-27 16:49:32
don't understand bro? You defend him, do you receive some money from him or what? Get a life instead to lose your time on internet to speak about a person with 100.000.000$ in his banc account
2012-06-28 00:27:03
He has an ego like a lot of the professional players nowadays. The national team is bult around him because he's their best player!
I haven't seen him blaming his teammates nor I have seen him stating that he's better than (which he is)!
I haven't seen him blaming his teammates nor I have seen him stating that he's better than (which he is)!
2012-06-27 11:28:46
you're right, he never blammed his teammates, he sometimes can be arrogant, but camon guys, if we were him, we would be too!
to end, sometimes he is arrogant cause the fk media keeps trying to anger him
to end, sometimes he is arrogant cause the fk media keeps trying to anger him
2012-06-27 12:32:31
so why isn't messi as arrogant? and he's even better
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Post edited 2012-06-27 18:41:25
2012-06-27 18:41:12
messi isn't arrogant? WTF dude, ive seen him being a dumbass all this years, I fuckin hate and it isn't because im portuguese, just because he walks like he is the king and sometimes hes a lot of stupid to other teams and fans, he can be very disrispectful
2012-06-27 21:46:53
"he walks like he is the king", He is a KING
2012-06-27 23:53:39
Dude when have you seen Messi cry to a free kick?
How many times haven't he pass the ball to he's teammates instead of shooting by himself?
I never i mean NEVERseen Messi blame he's teammates even in Barca.
How many times haven't he pass the ball to he's teammates instead of shooting by himself?
I never i mean NEVERseen Messi blame he's teammates even in Barca.
2012-06-28 00:26:48
LOOOL messi does not show what I truly is... he's arrogant too, he's a big son of a *****! He showed it before in some ocasions, but normally he makes it in hidden forms (don't know the correct term to use here).
Yeah I know... Ronaldo sucks a lot, Ronaldo is arrogant, Ronaldo is playboy, Ronaldo simply don't play shit!
But year after year after year is continuing beating records after records! He did it in Man Utd, he's doing in Real Madrid and even in our national team.
Your hate against him simply makes him stronger every day!
Any portuguese success is a target of jealousy! Watch Mourinho, Ronaldo and Pepe for example.
Yeah I know... Ronaldo sucks a lot, Ronaldo is arrogant, Ronaldo is playboy, Ronaldo simply don't play shit!
But year after year after year is continuing beating records after records! He did it in Man Utd, he's doing in Real Madrid and even in our national team.
Your hate against him simply makes him stronger every day!
Any portuguese success is a target of jealousy! Watch Mourinho, Ronaldo and Pepe for example.
2012-06-28 15:18:03
lol? are you fk dumb or what?
ronaldo never blammed his teammates for losing or wtv, i dunno where do you dreamed that but i'm sure it was between your three losses
ronaldo never blammed his teammates for losing or wtv, i dunno where do you dreamed that but i'm sure it was between your three losses
2012-06-27 12:30:27
"The national team is build a round him"
Spain built around Iniesta, Netherlands in 2k10 Sneijder so... your argument is invalid.
If you have one of the best players in the world you are not giving him the ball knowing he is strong on the 1on1 situations? lol.
Spain built around Iniesta, Netherlands in 2k10 Sneijder so... your argument is invalid.
If you have one of the best players in the world you are not giving him the ball knowing he is strong on the 1on1 situations? lol.
2012-06-27 13:40:05
Iniesta? He pass the ball most of the time and he is not the top score. (Ronaldo)
2012-06-28 00:29:09
Lol I compared the fact that Spain's national team plays most of the time to iniesta , so he can do what he does best, hold the ball and magnificent passes... sorry if u cant read that well
2012-06-28 01:09:43
ma boy i agree with the first part from ur coment , and i am a mad fanboy , but its normal he thinks hes better than messi
2012-06-27 13:55:22
No, i dont think its normal to think such stuff. Btw i laughed so loud when portugal played denmark en the deens started to call messi.
2012-06-28 09:40:45
That is the most ridiculous thing to do in a football field! LOL! The deens did it, the bosnian did it, many stadiums in spain do it a lot, yesterday the spanish did it too!
I believe that Cristiano Ronaldo fucked the girlfriend of every of that guys, for them to do that... 'cause I don't see any other motive to call for Messi when Ronaldo is playing.
I believe that Cristiano Ronaldo fucked the girlfriend of every of that guys, for them to do that... 'cause I don't see any other motive to call for Messi when Ronaldo is playing.
2012-06-28 15:23:10
Since you obviously know more about counter strike than about football, ill go down to your level and make an anology that even you should understand: TaZ stated in an interview that several of their tactics are based around neo, cause guess why? Hes the one who can make the difference easily. Hope it didnt hurt your brain
2012-06-27 14:14:05
u talk like u know him in real life lol, cr done a lot iviews on his home and he treats persons and jornalists even fans like he actually knowes them, besides give a lot of help to kids with cancer and other things, he doesn't give only money, he actuallys visits the kids on hospitals, a thing i personally wouldn't do has it is depressive and sad as shit, but he does that stuff, but yeah call him egocentric and cocky, has he came from a poor famaly with 12 years old or less went from his island to the continent to leave on his own playing for Sporting, he hearned all he got today, people that don't know his story might call him cocky and egocentric, but the true story is just a guy that doesn't like to lose, and ofc gets frustrated with people who don't do all they can to win.
2012-06-27 14:37:34
if that's what you think about him, you're plain wrong. Listen to his teammates talk about him, they say he's the nicest person and one of the best professionals around. And CR always says teamwork is much more important than just him. In the start of Euro the portuguese media started speaking only about ronaldo and Joao pereira pepe and more said that they were a team and not only CR7. In an interview after that he said that he agreed in every word they said.
And you speak about messi and ronaldo. I've never seen Messi miss a goal and the public sing "RONALDO! RONALDO!" Ronaldo has much more pressure on him than Messi...
And you speak about messi and ronaldo. I've never seen Messi miss a goal and the public sing "RONALDO! RONALDO!" Ronaldo has much more pressure on him than Messi...
2012-06-27 16:22:46
Ronaldo has more pressure than Messi? You clearly got no idea of what you're talking about, haha, and Ronaldo makes that to himself, he's the one talking about Messi and how he's better than him, get your facts straight.
2012-06-27 23:48:59
In case you didn't notice, Ronaldo today didnt make 1 shot to the goal except for the freekicks. That's some individual player we got here. Made more passes than Messi ever in 1 game
2012-06-28 00:03:02
Huh? who's talking about individualism or teamplaying? I'm just saying Messi has WAY more pressure than Ronaldo could ever have.
2012-06-28 00:06:50
oh forget it, I thought I was answering to the guy I replyed up there.
Don't say that, the problem is that Ronaldo can't keep is mouth shut after people screaming Messi all the time at him.
He's pretty emotional. I remember when he played against Benfica some years ago when he was in Man.Utd and Benfica's supporters were booing Ronaldo when he was leaving the field so he showed his middle finger to the public. That's just one example.
Don't say that, the problem is that Ronaldo can't keep is mouth shut after people screaming Messi all the time at him.
He's pretty emotional. I remember when he played against Benfica some years ago when he was in Man.Utd and Benfica's supporters were booing Ronaldo when he was leaving the field so he showed his middle finger to the public. That's just one example.
2012-06-28 00:13:01
way more pressure ??? bahahahaahhahahah it's better for me to stop reading your stupid coments, BARCELONA PLAYS FOR MESSI, a coach of barça just needs to say, "GUYS, put the ball on the midfield to xavi or iniesta they will make the play for messi and messi scores", while ronaldo is taking RM on his back Barça carrys messi on their lap. when messi leave barça and make the same thing that he makes on barcelona, i will be the first to tell messi is number one, im those people thaat say messi is shit without barça
2012-06-28 04:13:21
Are you fucking crazy or what??? You maked me laugh so loud!
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2012-06-28 15:26:19
#309
2012-06-28 20:26:36
You are defending Messi ? he is tired of you "I'm tired of Argentines" Messi's word's ! Are you proud of him ? ahaha omg
2012-06-28 00:40:58
??
First of all I never defended him, I just repsonded to a false statement from the guy above who said Ronaldo has more pressure than Messi
Secondly, I do support Messi, and I never heard him say those words(? Any proofs? I don't really care about it either since he's great and I've always supported him throughout his whole career.
First of all I never defended him, I just repsonded to a false statement from the guy above who said Ronaldo has more pressure than Messi
Secondly, I do support Messi, and I never heard him say those words(? Any proofs? I don't really care about it either since he's great and I've always supported him throughout his whole career.
2012-06-28 00:43:40
He is very good but not that as good as you project him to be.
2012-06-27 11:19:31
my idol football, king
2012-06-27 11:26:05
please enlighten me what nessito said that overrated ronaldo?
2012-06-27 11:26:55
Everyone is entitled to opinion. You should present your views not dishonor other person.
2012-06-27 11:31:39
WTF!?
In which way did I try to dishonor(which sounds stupid) your views?
As a matter of fact you didn't even present a view here!
Your reply to him doesn't make sense at all, since he didn't praise Ronaldo at all!
In which way did I try to dishonor(which sounds stupid) your views?
As a matter of fact you didn't even present a view here!
Your reply to him doesn't make sense at all, since he didn't praise Ronaldo at all!
2012-06-27 11:38:17
Do you certainly aware of the word "general awareness"?
please enlighten me what nessito said that overrated ronaldo?
Instead of reasoning why he doesn't sucks nessito called relax499 to "suck" and you are pretty stupid if you think nessito do not admire Ronaldo.
Get a clue and then reply to this post.
please enlighten me what nessito said that overrated ronaldo?
Instead of reasoning why he doesn't sucks nessito called relax499 to "suck" and you are pretty stupid if you think nessito do not admire Ronaldo.
Get a clue and then reply to this post.
2012-06-27 11:42:38
you kid, need to get out of india and start to knowledge the universe!
if you say that cr sucks, you must be stupid!
you may not think he is the best, you have your own opinion, but if he sucks, all players suck too, so stfo no brain
if you say that cr sucks, you must be stupid!
you may not think he is the best, you have your own opinion, but if he sucks, all players suck too, so stfo no brain
2012-06-27 12:33:55
my friend , he his the best player in the world , he have a lot of money , he has Irina
oh wait .. YOU SUCK !
oh wait .. YOU SUCK !
2012-06-28 00:38:29
Spain 1:1 Portugal (Spain win 4:2 on penalties)
Germany 3:2 Italy
But I'd much prefer to see a Portugal v Germany ATTACKING final.
Germany 3:2 Italy
But I'd much prefer to see a Portugal v Germany ATTACKING final.
2012-06-27 11:43:05
I hope ;)
2012-06-27 11:50:16
+1
rematch
rematch
2012-06-27 12:34:06
The same route as in 2004 for Portugal.
Lose the first game against Greece, and finds it again in the final. Losing it: (
I hope history does not repeat if Portugal reach the final.
Lose the first game against Greece, and finds it again in the final. Losing it: (
I hope history does not repeat if Portugal reach the final.
2012-06-27 14:31:56
Hmm... a collection of his hair stylings during a match would be more interesting...
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2012-06-27 11:49:21
haha
2012-06-27 12:06:57
if you dont know, he gains millions on the half times with his sponsor, Linic loool
2012-06-27 12:35:46
i love the video's comment :
Cristiano Ronaldo vs Germany 0-1 euro 2012
Cristiano Ronaldo vs Denmark 3-2 euro 2012
Cristiano Ronaldo vs Netherlands 2-0 euro 2012
ahahahaha
Cristiano Ronaldo vs Germany 0-1 euro 2012
Cristiano Ronaldo vs Denmark 3-2 euro 2012
Cristiano Ronaldo vs Netherlands 2-0 euro 2012
ahahahaha
2012-06-27 12:29:44
actually that was
Cristiano Ronaldo vs Germany 0-1
Portugal vs Denmark 3-2
Cristiano Ronaldo vs Netherlands 2-1
Cristiano Ronaldo vs Czech Republic 1-0
:D
Cristiano Ronaldo vs Germany 0-1
Portugal vs Denmark 3-2
Cristiano Ronaldo vs Netherlands 2-1
Cristiano Ronaldo vs Czech Republic 1-0
:D
2012-06-27 12:38:53
;D
2012-06-27 12:58:58
serious you make fun of ronaldo, cuz your country dont have and will never have a player like him ahah, whats your future? xherdan shaqiri?ahah
2012-06-27 16:42:02
<3 Ron,Nani,Pepe and Portugal..
2012-06-27 13:23:42
Modric in Real, Mandzukic in Bayern Munchen :].
2012-06-27 13:33:05
cr in manutd ;S
2012-06-27 13:36:28
here is my point , c.ronaldo lost some of is DNA when he goes to real madrid and drop the tricks and entertainment to be a goal man .. the problem of atitude started in euro when he had problems with rooney, then britain media started attackim him , and in all statdiums he played he was whisted and insulted including old trafford, then goes to spain and media... start again attcking him.. how daa fuck u think he should react?? in every single stadium they insult him and call "messi messi messi", if c.ronaldo was argentinian or brazilian and messi portuguese , people would say ronaldo best ever
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Post edited 2012-06-27 14:14:45
2012-06-27 14:13:11
Actually messi would never be hated, cause hes not good looking nor have all the things ronaldo has. Its all about regular random guys Envying him. When you envy a guy thats arrogant, the line beetween envy and hate is pretty thin.
2012-06-27 14:18:11
You call someone that's confident in his skills and thinks he's better than pretty much everyone ( which in fact he is ) an arrogant??
Everyone calls Messi the "nice guy" but he already did alot of shit in the field and noone says shit, why?? he's fking protected in spain because he plays in Barça.
Ronaldo has to fight against everyone in there because he's portuguese, the same for Mourinho.
Everyone calls Messi the "nice guy" but he already did alot of shit in the field and noone says shit, why?? he's fking protected in spain because he plays in Barça.
Ronaldo has to fight against everyone in there because he's portuguese, the same for Mourinho.
2012-06-27 14:27:10
I dont think you understood my reply. Personally i dont find ronaldo arrogant nor mourinho, they simply know how good they are and i appreciate that in a person, realism. About the ronaldo vs messi thingy, messi is more gifted, but ronaldo is a better player overall. In my reply i was taling about 90% of the guys hate on ronaldo, lets put it this way; Ur noot good looking, you dont have 1/1000 of what he has (woman, money, cars, fame, et) and you find him super arrogant, that has to piss you off, right? Therefore the amount of hate he gets
2012-06-27 14:39:22
That just piss off those guys who are really jealous of him for what he earns instead of enjoying his football skills, its kinda stupid.
I personally respect and admire Ronaldo because he had to train really hard and put alot of effort since he was in Sporting to become what he is now.
And hating him and calling for Messi in his games doesnt really affect him, just makes him stronger and wanting to win.
I personally respect and admire Ronaldo because he had to train really hard and put alot of effort since he was in Sporting to become what he is now.
And hating him and calling for Messi in his games doesnt really affect him, just makes him stronger and wanting to win.
2012-06-27 14:44:44
I allways watch games with lots o different people, and ive heard hating and trolling about his hair, how he runs, how he looks, how he walks, how he shoots free kicks, how his sprinting looks like, everything. I think I am realizung this must be a massive collective unconscious jealousy going on. Imo CristianoR got everything complete player, if he wins worldcup or euro with portugal he will become legend, even if NOW people are hating, he will be remembered as one of greatest.
2012-06-27 14:59:54
Thats exactly what i was refering tho. People just envy him unconsciously
2012-06-27 15:17:21
True, who doesnt like to see players with different play styles? If he runs in a different way than others, his hair is different, the way he shoots, all that is good for us, the viewers.
Every player who became a legend had his play style, Ronaldinho, Zidane, Maradonna, Pele, Eusebio, Kaka, Ronaldobr, Messi, CRonaldo and many more played in his way and alot of people now tries to become like them.
Those who keep hating that arent truly fans of football.
Every player who became a legend had his play style, Ronaldinho, Zidane, Maradonna, Pele, Eusebio, Kaka, Ronaldobr, Messi, CRonaldo and many more played in his way and alot of people now tries to become like them.
Those who keep hating that arent truly fans of football.
2012-06-27 15:38:34
who can forget quaresma? he's almost as good as ronaldo man!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hup-c7s5dQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hup-c7s5dQ
2012-06-27 14:26:45
loooooooooooooooool Quaresma started to suck since he left Porto and he has nowhere near the attributes that Ronaldo has and even Nani.
He went to Inter, sucked, Chelsea, sucked. That says alot.
He went to Inter, sucked, Chelsea, sucked. That says alot.
2012-06-27 14:28:46
he's pretty much owning in besiktas. Im a benfica fan, but man, for me he is one of the best portuguese player out there
2012-06-27 14:31:40
i rather have varela atm, he is so motivated..
2012-06-27 14:51:13
are u kidding?
2012-06-27 15:12:47
had the potential to be next cristiano ronaldo but he was idiot
2012-06-28 00:12:24
lol people who don't know shit about football will say that messi is better than ronaldo.
Ronaldo is just better. Speed, shoot with both feets well, free kicks, head game, fisical strenght and explosion, besides ronaldo doesn't have inesta and xavi on his back, and ronaldo already won a premier league and now the spanish league aswell duno how in hell u can compare them, and more just watch the stats on yellow/red cards from barcelona and real madrid or any team that played against them, barcelona vs real madrid games are a joke always a corrupt ref :)
Ps: I know i'm a supect, as i am Portugese, but facts are facts, i'm just lucky that he was born in Portugal.
Post edited 2012-06-27 14:46:45
Ronaldo is just better. Speed, shoot with both feets well, free kicks, head game, fisical strenght and explosion, besides ronaldo doesn't have inesta and xavi on his back, and ronaldo already won a premier league and now the spanish league aswell duno how in hell u can compare them, and more just watch the stats on yellow/red cards from barcelona and real madrid or any team that played against them, barcelona vs real madrid games are a joke always a corrupt ref :)
Ps: I know i'm a supect, as i am Portugese, but facts are facts, i'm just lucky that he was born in Portugal.
Post edited 2012-06-27 14:46:45
2012-06-27 14:44:46
So what you are saying is that Real Madrid doesn't have any good players to back him up? and Barca has good players to back Messi up?
....
....
2012-06-27 14:48:12
barca has better players to back up messi..
2012-06-27 14:52:13
what he's saying, and its not a lie, is that Barça has a better team than R.Madrid, thats all.. i mean, i dont think thats even open for debate :)
2012-06-27 15:11:10
Here's the difference:
Barcelona plays to Messi
Cristiano Ronaldo plays to Real Madrid
Post edited 2012-06-27 15:31:43
Barcelona plays to Messi
Cristiano Ronaldo plays to Real Madrid
Post edited 2012-06-27 15:31:43
2012-06-27 15:30:45
He has been one of the best players in this tournament for sure. But i think Spain is too good.
2012-06-27 14:46:08
Tones of Christiano's hater here ;]
2012-06-27 14:55:14
CR7 is showing some serious skills on EURO, he is without a doubt MVP so far ;)
2012-06-27 15:42:52
you are all jealous, cuz your country dont have a player like him, dominatem one of the best in the world, only argentine people can talk . RONALDO IS THE TOP1/2 IN THE WORLD
2012-06-27 16:38:01
He showed how great he was against us
2012-06-27 17:44:30
he didnt have to..
2012-06-27 23:36:41
Just watch the whole video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOWR_lxH6ms
Now stfu with that Messi vs Ronaldo it's getting annoying, Ronaldo >= Messi.
Post edited 2012-06-27 19:39:03
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOWR_lxH6ms
Now stfu with that Messi vs Ronaldo it's getting annoying, Ronaldo >= Messi.
Post edited 2012-06-27 19:39:03
2012-06-27 19:38:46
for me, the discussion of best player in the world should be about messi and ozil, because football is a teamsport.
robben and ronaldo have to big an ego to be considered best in the world imo (I know robben is way over his prime and not considered near top3 world atm but he used to be).
robben and ronaldo have to big an ego to be considered best in the world imo (I know robben is way over his prime and not considered near top3 world atm but he used to be).
2012-06-27 20:03:03
wtf, Barcelona plays for Messi. I don't see Messi as a teamplayer at all
2012-06-27 21:34:53
he at least thanks his teammates who give him a great assist, and does not demand to get all the free kicks n penalties. also I've seen Ronaldo try to score himselve from impossible angles so many times, while a teammate was in a good spot, that annoys me. I dont nearly see that as much with messi.
and the team playing for these 2 guys is the decision of the coach, but obviously one of these 2 guys let it get to his head. messi knows xavi and iniesta are boss at barca, and he has alot to thank them for.
and the team playing for these 2 guys is the decision of the coach, but obviously one of these 2 guys let it get to his head. messi knows xavi and iniesta are boss at barca, and he has alot to thank them for.
2012-06-28 08:04:36
ozil is a great player but seriously? In Real Madrid he did a great job but not nearly as good as CR7
2012-06-28 11:47:31
go stream some cs matches, you dont know shit about football
2012-06-27 21:43:08
I expected some pt. People to get mss but is the way me and many other people see it. Hell id pick nani over ronaldo if i was about to buy someone for my club
2012-06-27 23:29:50
messi and ozil huh? yeah, i dont think thats the way many other people see it! seriously, u must a visionary or something because that is the first i read such a non-sense... :)
2012-06-27 23:36:15
ozil is only 23, he will be making the headlines with stellar season performances when CR and messi are past their prime. he might not be considered as good as the other 2 by alot of people now, but if you look at football like coaches do (not just at goals/assists numbers) you will learn to appreciate him for what he is, the next zidane.
2012-06-28 08:01:49
liQuid i liked you before your post, let me ask you something:
Did you watched Liga BBVA 2011/2012? ronaldo scored 46 goals, i've never seen something like that, Nani never done some magical numbers like that, Ronaldo went to the Semis in the Champions League, Nani just scored 8 goals, champions league was aweful for Man utd, EURO 2012, Ronaldo decided the game against you, nani didnt do nothing special, and you say nani over ronaldo, something is wrong with you.
Did you watched Liga BBVA 2011/2012? ronaldo scored 46 goals, i've never seen something like that, Nani never done some magical numbers like that, Ronaldo went to the Semis in the Champions League, Nani just scored 8 goals, champions league was aweful for Man utd, EURO 2012, Ronaldo decided the game against you, nani didnt do nothing special, and you say nani over ronaldo, something is wrong with you.
2012-06-27 23:47:21
without nani you would have lost to denmark and say bb to euro
2012-06-28 00:05:34
nani was insane in the first matches, where ronaldo did not to anything. we had a wingdefender in pathetic form (after his injury he hasnt had 1 good match) up against him :P
but you kind of misinterpreted me, I did not mean I would field nani and bench CR if I had to pick 1 from these 2 for one spot, I meant nani is just 25 years old and has a bright future up ahead.
and to look purely at statistics like that is bogus, ManU is still relying on guys like scholes n giggs, shows how much talent they got running around. at Real Madrid its players like khedira ozil and kaka feeding the strikers, and then look who is playing alongside CR, higuain and benzema (!!!)
also with all the free kicks and penalty's CR and messi demand, while nani is not the #1 on that area for his team, and the different roles they play (nani does alot more work before the midfield line) they are bound to make a few more.
ofcourse both messi and CR had a stellar season, but they are not likely to ever repeat that. nani is 3 years away from his prime, he might come close.
oh one more thing on those statistics; if you were to only look at those you would not consider pirlo, xavi, iniesta, sneijder and ozil among the best players in the world, but surely they are!?
Post edited 2012-06-28 08:06:02
but you kind of misinterpreted me, I did not mean I would field nani and bench CR if I had to pick 1 from these 2 for one spot, I meant nani is just 25 years old and has a bright future up ahead.
and to look purely at statistics like that is bogus, ManU is still relying on guys like scholes n giggs, shows how much talent they got running around. at Real Madrid its players like khedira ozil and kaka feeding the strikers, and then look who is playing alongside CR, higuain and benzema (!!!)
also with all the free kicks and penalty's CR and messi demand, while nani is not the #1 on that area for his team, and the different roles they play (nani does alot more work before the midfield line) they are bound to make a few more.
ofcourse both messi and CR had a stellar season, but they are not likely to ever repeat that. nani is 3 years away from his prime, he might come close.
oh one more thing on those statistics; if you were to only look at those you would not consider pirlo, xavi, iniesta, sneijder and ozil among the best players in the world, but surely they are!?
Post edited 2012-06-28 08:06:02
2012-06-28 08:00:17
nani and ronaldo both have the same role so you can compare each other, but you cant compare iniesta with ronaldo or xavi with ronaldo, ronaldo and nani both are winger, right and left wingers, if you remember, in which side ronaldo played in manU?
in the Right side where Nani is playing atm. so ? you can compare, ronaldo were in Man U when he was only 18 and he did much more than nani, im not saying that nani isnt a good player, but ronaldo is way better than him.
in the Right side where Nani is playing atm. so ? you can compare, ronaldo were in Man U when he was only 18 and he did much more than nani, im not saying that nani isnt a good player, but ronaldo is way better than him.
2012-06-28 13:58:02
From the nani matches i saw, he does alot more defensive work than cr. Which is why i feel it is unfair to compare statistics. And Yes cr did great in manu but you may remember his first years were less stellar aswell
2012-06-28 19:49:56
CR7<3
2012-06-27 20:08:32
This guy is a joke. He can only dribble while he standing, and can fast run, that's all.
Compare with the brasilian ronaldo, there are lightyears as difference between them.
But his face as large as a house, of course.
Compare with the brasilian ronaldo, there are lightyears as difference between them.
But his face as large as a house, of course.
2012-06-27 21:16:59
http://wcsa10.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/hatersgo..
2012-06-27 21:39:49
Keep on h8ing, its good for youre health,,,,>:[]
2012-06-27 21:43:09
It's not about hating, - of course another thing, he's personality is not the best - but if he would be a good player, like Maradona, okay, but with this skills, I don't even know what he is doing in the professional league...
The problem is that many of you this guy is an ideal.
I can make a list in many pages with players who are more and more better then this joke, and more and more less face...
The problem is that many of you this guy is an ideal.
I can make a list in many pages with players who are more and more better then this joke, and more and more less face...
2012-06-27 22:56:13
http://www.hltv.org/?pageid=18&threadid=164584..
good to see some people here agree with me (im sure theres more, but some are afraid of flames, because there's alot of CR fans out there :P ofc im a fan too, and he is a great player, but like you said, he is not on messis level)
good to see some people here agree with me (im sure theres more, but some are afraid of flames, because there's alot of CR fans out there :P ofc im a fan too, and he is a great player, but like you said, he is not on messis level)
2012-06-28 08:09:55
ye 146 goals in 144 games for Real Madrid is a joke? kkkkkk
2012-06-27 21:44:17
Yes, he is a joke.
His only thing is to wait for the ball in front of the enemy's goalkeeper.
Every striker can shot many goals if he has a good servicing team.
What I can see on this guy, is the big face, standing same dribbles, and his only advantage is his speed is quite good, that's all.
What about with this match? Shot hundred meters above, 10 meters from the gate.
Joke, nothing but joke.
His only thing is to wait for the ball in front of the enemy's goalkeeper.
Every striker can shot many goals if he has a good servicing team.
What I can see on this guy, is the big face, standing same dribbles, and his only advantage is his speed is quite good, that's all.
What about with this match? Shot hundred meters above, 10 meters from the gate.
Joke, nothing but joke.
2012-06-27 22:50:51
than, why in many many years of history, no other player in the history of Real Madrid scored as many goals as he did today?! ur dumb, ignorant and a hater.. :) good night
2012-06-27 23:34:45
You watch the statistics, I watch the game.
That's the different.
What is he doing today? I would play better..., good night.
Very bad to the Portuguese only have this crying baby as an idol, there were more talented players in the past like Eusébio or Figo...
That's the different.
What is he doing today? I would play better..., good night.
Very bad to the Portuguese only have this crying baby as an idol, there were more talented players in the past like Eusébio or Figo...
2012-06-27 23:44:57
what the fuck are u man? dumb or what?! if u cant have a proper conversation based on facts, just SHUT THE FUCK UP bro!! its not Ronaldo's fault that we didnt win! what did Xavi do? Iniesta? Fabregas?! it was a closed match, there were almost no opportunities! and ronaldo is by far the best pt player of ALL TIMES! there, get over it! u dont know what he went through to get where he's now!! he's the prototype of the working portuguese citizen, u dont know nothing about us or Ronaldo, just get over that fucking hate towards him and move on!! ffs
2012-06-27 23:48:59
Oh yes, not his mistake to shot the ball 100 meters above the gate from 15 meters.
Yes, you have absolutely right.
That's the fact, not that you have 10 high skilled mates and servicing the ball all the time to you.
I'm really sad that for many portuguese this crying baby is a prototype...
I don't know where he comes from, but I'm really sure you are completely nothing to him.
A real national idol don't do things what he does.
Grow up and try to find a better idol or become a better idol yourself...
Post edited 2012-06-28 00:10:49
Yes, you have absolutely right.
That's the fact, not that you have 10 high skilled mates and servicing the ball all the time to you.
I'm really sad that for many portuguese this crying baby is a prototype...
I don't know where he comes from, but I'm really sure you are completely nothing to him.
A real national idol don't do things what he does.
Grow up and try to find a better idol or become a better idol yourself...
Post edited 2012-06-28 00:10:49
2012-06-28 00:01:06
do u know why he's an idol? i'll tell u kid! because he came from an poor island, his family was poor, he didnt grew up in a golden crib like most u! his father had to work his ass off so he could go to Lisbon when he was like 12, alone, with no friends or family around! imagine urself doing that at that age! he worked his freaking ass off to get where he's today! when he was at the Sporting academy, when the practice was over, he putted weights @ his boots and practiced ALONE, against his trainers orders!! he's the first to arrive at the football practice field and the last one to leave! he's the person that came from NOWHERE, a freaking island in the atlantic ocean, worked and worked and worked, and now he's in the top of the WORLD! he's a fucking example to all the children around this world, he's the example that no matter where u come from, u can make something out of ur life! u have no idea what that guy went through, so why dont u SHUT THE FUCK UP NOW? Im done talking to u btw! good night!
2012-06-28 00:25:10
:) Oh yes, he went because he had an official contract with Sporting CP.
This is not the same, when you just go out of the world for searching the luck.
Many, hm, not the best word, almost every professional player do this!!!
There are many players at the age of six or seven from poor family who are go in a different country!!!! to a football academy.
"he's a fucking example to all the children around this world, he's the example that no matter where u come from, u can make something out of ur life!"
This is a big lie, professional football is a completely other world. There are some other sports like motorsports, who cvan do this, but generally the said true is the life isn't that easy as you imagine.
E.g. in Hungary there are many talented water-sport player for example in water-polo or swimming.
Do you know what does it mean? Wake up from the age of 5 every day at early five, and go to training twice a day. Yo have to do the school paralell you have no childhood only the fucking training, you win many titles and you get a salary what is maybe good for a normal life!!!!!
He was only good in the good sport (once a brother of a famous player said after a club paid for his brother millions euros, that he cannot imagine, how can it be, that a human can worth it).
The truth is that there are many and many peoples around the world, who are do the same thing and get maybe 0.00001% of his salary.
I don't said, that he had a good childhood but don't think, that he did something really special.
Without talent, in this sports - like in others - you are nothing. But if you have a bit talent, you can earn moneys what you cannot imagine, but in the other parts of the life with talent and work you earn for only the food.
He was very lucky, and a lot of work.
You can train as many as you can, but without luck and a good choice you will be nothing.
That's the truth.
And I have a bet I'm far older than you;)
Post edited 2012-06-28 00:48:31
This is not the same, when you just go out of the world for searching the luck.
Many, hm, not the best word, almost every professional player do this!!!
There are many players at the age of six or seven from poor family who are go in a different country!!!! to a football academy.
"he's a fucking example to all the children around this world, he's the example that no matter where u come from, u can make something out of ur life!"
This is a big lie, professional football is a completely other world. There are some other sports like motorsports, who cvan do this, but generally the said true is the life isn't that easy as you imagine.
E.g. in Hungary there are many talented water-sport player for example in water-polo or swimming.
Do you know what does it mean? Wake up from the age of 5 every day at early five, and go to training twice a day. Yo have to do the school paralell you have no childhood only the fucking training, you win many titles and you get a salary what is maybe good for a normal life!!!!!
He was only good in the good sport (once a brother of a famous player said after a club paid for his brother millions euros, that he cannot imagine, how can it be, that a human can worth it).
The truth is that there are many and many peoples around the world, who are do the same thing and get maybe 0.00001% of his salary.
I don't said, that he had a good childhood but don't think, that he did something really special.
Without talent, in this sports - like in others - you are nothing. But if you have a bit talent, you can earn moneys what you cannot imagine, but in the other parts of the life with talent and work you earn for only the food.
He was very lucky, and a lot of work.
You can train as many as you can, but without luck and a good choice you will be nothing.
That's the truth.
And I have a bet I'm far older than you;)
Post edited 2012-06-28 00:48:31
2012-06-28 00:46:04
And just one think, and after I will really stop it.
I'm sure he knew, he will have no any chance in this life expect football.
If you know, you have no other chance to be good in something, only in one thing, you will grab it and will train yourself and bet everything on it. (In his situation it was quite easy, surely poor island or unpredictable future with talent, peoples at the age of six can choose from this two options as well)
This is a fact, again many and many people do this, so from this view, again he is doing nothing special, only he had mind to realize, that this will be the only thing where he can become to somebody.
But this is not about his superior willpower, it's only about the normal human-thinking.
Post edited 2012-06-28 01:01:30
I'm sure he knew, he will have no any chance in this life expect football.
If you know, you have no other chance to be good in something, only in one thing, you will grab it and will train yourself and bet everything on it. (In his situation it was quite easy, surely poor island or unpredictable future with talent, peoples at the age of six can choose from this two options as well)
This is a fact, again many and many people do this, so from this view, again he is doing nothing special, only he had mind to realize, that this will be the only thing where he can become to somebody.
But this is not about his superior willpower, it's only about the normal human-thinking.
Post edited 2012-06-28 01:01:30
2012-06-28 00:59:26
best pt player of all times? he has yet to prove that, or don't you know of the old pt legends (besides figo, who was imo getting way too much attention at the cost of a great player like rui costa).
I will just name one; eusebio
I will just name one; eusebio
2012-06-28 08:12:31
yes, i agree. it doesnt matter how many goals one scores. but the way in which ones scores is the thing to note.
CR is a striker and his job is to go for goal, most of his goals are from assists from midfielders
but messi isnt a striker, but still he has wonderful capability of dribbling past 3-4 opposition midfielder and scoring goals from long range, also add the number of assists he provides.
he just creates goals out of nothing which is really amazing.
Ideally we shouldnt be comparing them on goal difference. Even if Messi scores 75% of goals scored that of Ronaldo , still Messi would be considered above Ronaldo for fifa player of the year, because of overall contribution and the beauty of his game
CR is a striker and his job is to go for goal, most of his goals are from assists from midfielders
but messi isnt a striker, but still he has wonderful capability of dribbling past 3-4 opposition midfielder and scoring goals from long range, also add the number of assists he provides.
he just creates goals out of nothing which is really amazing.
Ideally we shouldnt be comparing them on goal difference. Even if Messi scores 75% of goals scored that of Ronaldo , still Messi would be considered above Ronaldo for fifa player of the year, because of overall contribution and the beauty of his game
2012-06-28 08:14:04
Give to your non-joke players 1000 attempts to do this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BePoF4PrwHs&fea..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BePoF4PrwHs&fea..
2012-06-28 05:13:52
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axR_X0l4Qzg dribble while hes standing huh? watch the whole vid, sry for terrible music
2012-06-28 11:50:06
Compare with this guy:/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D42fS_NiMJY&fea..
Ok ok, he is brasilian, not portuguese, but for me only one Ronaldo is exists.
Anyway I didn't said, that C. Ronaldo is useless, but on EURO, he was not better then a completely average player, and this shows something...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D42fS_NiMJY&fea..
Ok ok, he is brasilian, not portuguese, but for me only one Ronaldo is exists.
Anyway I didn't said, that C. Ronaldo is useless, but on EURO, he was not better then a completely average player, and this shows something...
2012-06-28 13:09:24
Ronaldo scored 3 goals (wich is OK even for a player like Ronaldo7 but he also had some bad luck while shooting 5 in the post this Euro championship.
2012-06-27 21:47:30
C.Ronaldo = Sucker :)
2012-06-27 23:34:38
CR go cry golden ball will go to Messi now :s or Drogba or a Deutsch or Spanish but not to Cr
he was strong vs 2 team that had weak defenses that's all.
Post edited 2012-06-27 23:39:42
he was strong vs 2 team that had weak defenses that's all.
Post edited 2012-06-27 23:39:42
2012-06-27 23:36:35
drogba what the fuck are you drinking?
2012-06-28 11:52:07
so barcelona, munich, etc, all have weak defences?
2012-06-28 21:12:27
xd funny how many people from ukraine say cr suck cos hes arrogant.. shevchenko is not arrogant so brazil 2014 weit, ukraine come to teach soccer!
2012-06-28 00:04:30
GG
2012-06-28 00:07:00
I love the discussions about Messi and Ronaldo. Who cares who the is the best of those two. Even if Ronaldo is "ONLY" the second best player in the world, it's still something special. Both of them are special players who won so much until now. Both of their Nationalteams aren't that good. That's sad, but other Nations just have more good players. One Worldstar isn't enough, even if he is the best or second best in the whole wide world.
Still, I'm sad that Portugal lost. They deserved it tonight, that's at least my opinion. I hope Germany will win against Italy and will crush Spain. It's going to be hard, but it's possible ;)
Still, I'm sad that Portugal lost. They deserved it tonight, that's at least my opinion. I hope Germany will win against Italy and will crush Spain. It's going to be hard, but it's possible ;)
2012-06-28 00:25:28
not gonna happen. sorry.
2012-06-28 00:44:33
Completely agree with you. Germany and Spain have monster teams, just an example, spain's 3rd ST was better than our 1st... Its very hard to Ronaldo to make the difference if the teams are so good.. But well, Portugal is getting better every year and Spain had the luck on their side yesterday so.. Our time hasnt come yet (i hope it will someday!)
2012-06-28 21:11:30
I am very disappointed with Portugal. I really wanted them to lift the Trophy. But...
Ronaldo was epic fail one more time... 3 semifinals,1 final, 0 wins... and he didnt even had the chance to shoot a penalty. LOL.
Ronaldo may be philanthropist and nice person but he will NEVER be the best player in the world because he has NO GUTS. He is a WOOSY. He is EGOPATH and spoiled. In every CRUSIAL match he performs under the base. I dont care if he scores 100 goals playing in one of the most expensive teams in the planet (Real Madrid). That proves nothing. The TRUE LEADER, is the player that will TAKE his team ALONE and lead it to victory. Ronaldo CANT do that. Thats why he will never be "the best player ever".
The BEST PLAYER EVER was DIEGO ARMANDO MARADONA ,not because he was good looking, not because he did fancy dribbles or scored 100 goals per season but because he grabbed Napoli and Argentina from hand and led them to glory ALONE. Maradona had GUTS and was the player that MADE the difference.
Messi or Ronaldo will become the best players in history when they do something close to Maradona.
Ronaldo was epic fail one more time... 3 semifinals,1 final, 0 wins... and he didnt even had the chance to shoot a penalty. LOL.
Ronaldo may be philanthropist and nice person but he will NEVER be the best player in the world because he has NO GUTS. He is a WOOSY. He is EGOPATH and spoiled. In every CRUSIAL match he performs under the base. I dont care if he scores 100 goals playing in one of the most expensive teams in the planet (Real Madrid). That proves nothing. The TRUE LEADER, is the player that will TAKE his team ALONE and lead it to victory. Ronaldo CANT do that. Thats why he will never be "the best player ever".
The BEST PLAYER EVER was DIEGO ARMANDO MARADONA ,not because he was good looking, not because he did fancy dribbles or scored 100 goals per season but because he grabbed Napoli and Argentina from hand and led them to glory ALONE. Maradona had GUTS and was the player that MADE the difference.
Messi or Ronaldo will become the best players in history when they do something close to Maradona.
2012-06-28 00:52:48
dont compare old times with nowadays spain.. dont loose a game for 5 years.. its just hard , he did good job in euro he deserve to win the golden ball ( and i think messi is better)
2012-06-28 01:04:15
want a medal now too?
2012-06-28 01:20:46
no I just want to meet you, great Al Capone.
2012-06-28 01:25:38
this is called "haters gonna hate" period
2012-06-28 01:52:57
is Ronaldo fail that his team dont win ? they lose last CL vs Bayern but he score 2 goals.. score the only goal in copa del rey 2011 final, score the winning goal vs barca in liga, score the only goal to move on semis in this Euro and you say he dont take his team alone ? your crazy.
TODAY CR7 is the best player, not all times best player,not him and not Maradona, yes he won 2 world cup but what about CL ? he won serie a league with Napoli thats all.. but there is a lot of middle teams who d won their league 1 time
TODAY CR7 is the best player, not all times best player,not him and not Maradona, yes he won 2 world cup but what about CL ? he won serie a league with Napoli thats all.. but there is a lot of middle teams who d won their league 1 time
2012-06-28 01:25:57
i mentioned that he plays in Real Madrid, among with some of the most expensive players around the market. And if you want a comparison in level club and not National team, the great Eusebio did pretty much the same thing with Benfica
11 league titles
5 cup titles
2 CL cups if I remember correct
3 CL finals
3 times CL top scorer
7 times league top scorer
11 league titles
5 cup titles
2 CL cups if I remember correct
3 CL finals
3 times CL top scorer
7 times league top scorer
2012-06-28 01:37:05
1) a player who play in top team cant be good cos he play with awesome players ? yes he play with great players but anyway, im RM fan i follow all the games and i tell you, there is a lot of games that Ronaldo win for the team, actually remember a game 4-3, Ronaldo score 4. example Robben play with great players too but he doesnt score vs difficult teams and not many goals
2) not say Ronaldo > Eusebio
3) still thinking if you see what Maradona do in clubs say that hes not the best player of all times, others guys like Bebeto, who play in Deportivo la coruña(not a top team), won the league, Maradona dont do more of that on Napoli
2) not say Ronaldo > Eusebio
3) still thinking if you see what Maradona do in clubs say that hes not the best player of all times, others guys like Bebeto, who play in Deportivo la coruña(not a top team), won the league, Maradona dont do more of that on Napoli
2012-06-28 01:55:30
-CL vs Bayern. 2 goal (1penalty in the two) + fail at the penalty phase = sorry not great
-With Portugal if there was only Cr Portugal wouldn't have pass the groupstage , lose vs Denmark and go back to home. + there are many good players Coentrao (for me the best in this Euro with Portugal) , Nani , Mereiles etc they have a good lineup and we see that vs good team like Spain Cr has really hard time.
-Vs Barça he goaled only vs Pinto + last time with the weakest defense of history of Barça even Ramires from Chelsea did the same goal , Torres who lost his skill did the same in the same week.
Sorry this is not the best player it's Messi by far.
Post edited 2012-06-28 10:49:19
-With Portugal if there was only Cr Portugal wouldn't have pass the groupstage , lose vs Denmark and go back to home. + there are many good players Coentrao (for me the best in this Euro with Portugal) , Nani , Mereiles etc they have a good lineup and we see that vs good team like Spain Cr has really hard time.
-Vs Barça he goaled only vs Pinto + last time with the weakest defense of history of Barça even Ramires from Chelsea did the same goal , Torres who lost his skill did the same in the same week.
Sorry this is not the best player it's Messi by far.
Post edited 2012-06-28 10:49:19
2012-06-28 10:47:59
Did you see the whole game? I understand your point but passes weren't straight at all! Portuguese attackers couldn't put the ball in Ronaldo's feet he barely had the ball.
2012-06-28 11:55:41
Yes I saw it. Too many fouls, 2-3 nice action scenes from Pedro, attackers of both teams never existed in the field and Portugal was devoted 100% to stop the annoying passing game of Spain,sacrificing the creative and quality game play. Ok they did it but Ronaldo should score at 89' and finish it... Penalties are coinflip.
2012-06-28 12:20:42
I understand your opinion and in a certain point, you are right. But, football has changed a lot (last 6/5 years football has been crazy) and i think that no player can make the difference like maradona or eusebio did..
2012-06-28 21:08:38
Stop crying losers, CR7 is number one player, and if players like him sometimes get bad attitude, its always forgetful, its not like hes always like that, stop being stupid, i even didnt notice from him nothing bad, the thing is, HE IS VERY SELF CONFIDENT PERSON, he dont care about stupid people opinion hes is just him and thats why he is the best.
2012-06-28 02:09:03
why the fuck people are always comparing messi and cristiano ronaldo? they are both good players and they are the 2 better players in the world and thats it.both have their own style and they are in the same level.Of course that teams play for the best players they have,in Real Madrid for example they play for Ronaldo and in Barcelona they play for Messi,thats a simple thing because their teamates know they are good.Stop comparacing both players,its the same in counter-strike and in other sports there are always players that are better.
2012-06-28 04:56:39
imo ronaldo isn't the best , eventhough he's a skilled player i just prefer messi xavi inista they show real football imo
2012-06-28 09:34:39
where was xavi this season? vacations?
2012-06-28 11:57:14
portugal boi i understand shhht calm down calm down , defending cr7 all the time :) its ok fanboi :)
2012-06-28 12:14:50
I wasn't defending cr7 this time just saying that xavi does not deserve any kind of award this year
2012-06-28 12:30:21
why we talking about some gay who can't score a goal in semi (he had many chance) and still thinking "IM THE BEST"..
be honest, best player of the Portugal is Nani and best player in the world now is Messi/Iniesta, no doubt
be honest, best player of the Portugal is Nani and best player in the world now is Messi/Iniesta, no doubt
2012-06-28 10:04:38
Let me laugh?!?! He got to a semi-final that's a reason of proud and not of mocking. Did Iniesta scored in this semi-final?(THEREFORE YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID) You're just jealousy because let's think! You'll probably never achieve something in life.
2012-06-28 11:59:35
Threads like that are always a lot of fun.A guy state his opinion and nerds start whining and bitching with no argument at all.Few exceptions just certify this.
2012-06-28 10:44:36
MESSI is just to good for him every pro football traineers and players says it even Real Madrid players like Marcello and Benzema said that Messi was the best.
2012-06-28 11:25:33
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIUfKU-wE_U
2012-06-28 13:15:40
Portugal fans will say ronaldo is better , argen will say messi is better , but don't forget Messi will become even betta then maradonna
Ronaldo trains and work hard for his future
Messi just got the talent
Ronaldo trains and work hard for his future
Messi just got the talent
2012-06-28 13:36:55
btw cristiano ronaldo got good attidude
bitch please kiss my ass
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Lb77UkvxbE
bitch please kiss my ass
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Lb77UkvxbE
2012-06-28 13:39:51
Don't care, still fucking proud of being Portuguese !
btw, miss Figo in the team !
btw, miss Figo in the team !
2012-06-28 14:08:12
I feel sorry for CR, I truly do. He works so hard and he truly is one of the best players that ever played football but he has the unfortune to play at the same time as the best player that ever played the game, Messi. I understand his ego too, he has to be selfcentered egomaniac and he has to believe he is the best because otherwise he would probably melt down psychologically. The fact that Messi is younger than him, which means that he will never be able to come out from his shadow, doesn't help either. Especially considering that Ronaldo is gone when his pace goes while Messi will be able to rely on his technical skills and passing long after his pace goes. But I'm sure Ronaldo will be able to keep his pace at top level for at least another 4-5 years.
2012-06-28 19:47:48
too long
2012-06-28 19:49:19
I love topics like these.. Everytime someone share their opinion and saying that Ronaldo ain't the best player, there is 10 mad fanboys from Portugal going nuts on him :D
2012-06-28 20:04:39
Danishes doesn't understand how good is having a great player like Ronaldo playing with our flag on his chest!
2012-06-28 20:21:16
It's about having your own opinion. He is a great player yes.. But there is no way to settle who the best player is, afterall it requires teamplay.
Same situation is, trying to decide who the best cs player is...
Same situation is, trying to decide who the best cs player is...
2012-06-28 20:35:55
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