Why did ScreaM fall in skill?
As the title above, why does it seems like ScreaM lost his skill/touch in CS:GO?

Some speak about that after he joined VG he was forced to use a new mouse from razer(DA), he simply can't get used to it. Whats you guys opinions?
(109 replies)
Created 2013-02-26 09:58 by: Kawa1n
by: Alth
#1
Tbh, it's probably because his sponsors force him to use a DeathAdder rather than his preffered 3.0.

Plus, he is still ridiculous at the game. Just not as good as he was at Prague.

Post edited 2013-02-26 10:00:27
2013-02-26 09:59:55
it is because he has now a salary and much pressure on his shoulders. in prague he has no pressure at all, he is not even playing with his own team! ex6 is also playing him wrong, using him as "last man" when this is again too much pressure. i beleif he has not become a part of the team, he feels under too much of a pressure.

Post edited 2013-02-26 17:25:02
2013-02-26 17:14:14
This is sooooooo true...VERYGAMES is not utilizing ScreaM as they should, in my opinion they should take advantage of ScreaM's aggresive playstyle and have him get those entry kills anywhere they need to, instead of having him to lurk around and sometimes be forced to clutch as often...
2013-02-27 19:24:00
I think you're a moron he is playing in a team, it does have its problems in the team that it performs.
2013-02-27 19:25:15
"ARABIA ALL STARS" , thats why


ot: fuck razer da

Post edited 2013-02-26 10:03:11
2013-02-26 10:02:57
baiter
2013-02-26 10:03:47
i dont think that he lost his skill at all.he was the best player from VG last tournament and he is 5th best player in general stat wise...

vg need new igl imo
2013-02-26 10:07:06
No need for new IGL. They just need to get their IGL to realize that he should do new set of strats which would fit more in their current lineups playstyle.
2013-02-26 10:39:41
Finally someone with a brain ...

+1
2013-02-26 11:29:53
vg as a top2 team is loosing his position for very long time and main problem are their strats...i cant see any improvement in their teamplay at all(imo their teamplay is worse every single tournament).i know that changing players all the time isnt good solution(and we have examples like navi or esc) but i rly think that they need new igl(no new players maybe,just new igl...like nip switched it)

Post edited 2013-02-26 12:46:04
2013-02-26 12:45:02
It's not really ex6's fault that they lost. You cant blame one player when they are playing as a team.

Can't see any improvements ? Did you follow MadCatz LAN at all? They improved while the tournament alot, atleast in my eyes.

Their gameplay is just messed up, because they changed the player and they are just confused that the old shizznizzle(strats) ain't working anymore as they used to be with RpK.

Ooor then scream is just a slow learner. He has a shitload of strats to remember tho, so no wonder if he's feeling confused at first.

Time will tell.

Post edited 2013-02-26 12:56:41
2013-02-26 12:54:16
yes i saw their games from madcatz...and if you ask me,they failed bcs of their strats.they have good individual players but their strats and their decisions ingame were wrong and i dont think that next time it will be better.but like you said,time will tell
2013-02-26 13:23:58
Yeah, and why you want to change the IGL instead of the strats?
2013-02-26 13:28:06
if you want to change strats,you need new ideas...and i dont think that current igl is capable of this(again,only my opinion)
2013-02-26 22:14:50
He's one of the best and the most successful IGLs from the source scene, of course he's capable of changing strats you silly ;D
2013-02-27 07:57:39
robban was one of the best igls in 1.6 and he wasnt capable of it in sk gaming with forest and gtr...so why their strats and calls are worse and not better if he was/is the best igl?

Post edited 2013-02-27 08:39:16
2013-02-27 08:38:42
You still cant generalize that he isn't capable of that :)
2013-02-27 08:58:24
i will not believe that until i will not see it:)
its only my opinion anyway
2013-02-27 09:00:25
IGL should realize himself rather than his teammates realizing him that his strats are weak as compared to other teams..
2013-02-26 13:03:00
lol wut? NBK was far best fragger in verygames, he is best aimer there
2013-02-26 12:30:20
statwise,scream is the best vg player...
2013-02-26 12:42:07
you play to win, not to get stats
2013-02-26 15:28:37
read my previous post...no point to argue here at all
2013-02-26 15:42:26
he is 5th best player in VG*
2013-02-26 15:29:36
no he is the best player in vg and the fifth best player from all statwise...
2013-02-26 15:43:38
ex6 is forcing scream to play like rpk, hes not made for that :) but ex6 doesnt realise it. maybe im wrong, but hes not doing bad in the new VG line up. its maybe that ex6 isnt accustomed to lose, so hes making presure and wrong team atmosphere. so if they start good, they will finish good, if they start bad, they will probably lose against some good opponent which know when to make presure and to put them down with koncentration and motivation :)
2013-02-26 15:48:06
that was more or less my point but you said it more expansive:)
2013-02-26 15:49:45
by: GoMeZ - HLTV.org
#6
When he was in IMG he was relied upon to get frags. Joined VG and the team is more balanced frag wise.
2013-02-26 10:10:20
THIS
2013-02-26 11:58:08
this...
I think he had more freedom in IMG,running around killing people,where in VG he is limited by strats,other players,etc... I think they should at least try to play more suitable for him and with the support from smithz and nbk + an awp kennys maybe they would do better...idk
2013-02-26 13:38:56
when I watched scream play w vg he just runs around behind his teammates baiting them and stealing their frags. watch how he plys bombsite b on inferno in the vods. he baits the other guy everytime.
2013-02-26 17:38:53
The mouse may be part of the problem because I know the DA is heavier and bulkier than 3.0, even though the new DA is supposedly slightly lighter.

Another thing is maybe the team composition, like f0rest mentioned he might not fit into the team as well as RPK did so maybe that is hindering his fragging skills slightly as well.
2013-02-26 10:11:22
He is playing well, he is just an aggressive frag whore and either Ex6 isn't making the right strats to fit his playstyle, or ScreaM is frag hunting and pushing out of position, and thats why they are getting shite results. In my opinion, ofcourse :)
2013-02-26 10:14:11
I agree, we got a winner here
2013-02-26 10:37:16
+1

KennyS and scream are great entryfraggers, should take advantage of that
2013-02-26 10:40:58
thats what i wanted to say
2013-02-26 10:44:57
this
2013-02-26 12:32:36
This this this this a thousand times this.
2013-02-26 12:44:57
by: Dok1
#53
Finally someone with brain here...
If you take a look at the stats at Mad Catz Vienna you can see that SmithZz did the most entry frags which actually surprised me but I think ScreaM should do this job :)
2013-02-26 13:30:46
he was the last man standing in many rounds, that's at least what i saw of vg on madcatz
2013-02-26 15:33:00
He's still crazy.. Have you seen his p250 oneshots, they are crazy
2013-02-26 10:14:22
He didn't lose his skill, he's still a beast, just not as dominant as before.
You're free to check the stats. In Prague 69,65% of his 257 frags were headshots, in Vienna 69,69% of his headshots 254 frags were headshots. Just to compare, f0rest has scored 63,21% out of 212 frags in Prague and 54,11% out of 146 frags in Vienna. Getright scored 43,59% headshots out of 273 frags in Prague and 58,17% out of 153 in Vienna. This means he's just as mad a headshotter as he was before; he's also very stable.

The reason why you don't see him destroying other teams singlehandedly anymore is that recoil update. It really bottlenecked the skillcap. Before the update recoil was very difficult to control, and people with great raw aim like ScreaM could easily kill people who were panicspraying at him.

Most people are simply bad at tapping/bursting or start spraying instead of tapping/bursting because they're nervous (yes, even top players often start spraying when it would've been better to tap). Most people could only score frags by spraying, so they were whining and asking for an easier recoil.

After the update spraying was made easier, and people like ScreaM stopped having an edge over sprayers.

Personally I think recoil should've stayed the way it was. I never liked the fact that spraying was OP in 1.6, a perfect Counter-Strike game should favor aiming over spraying.



TL;DR: ScreaM is just as good an aimer as before, but the update made his playstyle not as strong. before the update tapping&bursting > spraying, after the update spraying > tapping/bursting
2013-02-26 11:22:46
+1
2013-02-26 11:32:00
by: Kobs
#28
+1 they had to made recoil easier for all the whiner and most were 1,6 players funny
2013-02-26 12:04:56
+1
2013-02-26 11:35:16
This.

Me wants the old fancy recoil bak
2013-02-26 12:08:51
you say it like if they just ported csp recoil to csgo which its not the case. spraying in go is nowhere near as effective as in 1.6
2013-02-26 12:18:54
its more effective since the shots actually hit
2013-02-26 12:46:28
no way lol
2013-02-26 12:51:17
yes way lol
2013-02-26 12:51:47
no way lol
2013-02-26 12:59:52
i didn't say it's like 1.6 recoil :p (actually the main reason for spraying being so effective in 1.6 is tagging, which is very weak in cs:go), but the update definitely made spraying much easier. before the update spraying at a good aimer from 5+ meters was a sure death.
2013-02-26 14:12:24
I agree with you now :)) also csgo tagging feels somehow delayed
2013-02-26 14:19:05
It has nothing to do with the recoil update. He's just in a different position now, and they (verygames) need to change their playstyle to make him hit in.
2013-02-26 12:49:37
indeed VG don't use him to his full extent, players like ScreaM should be given more of a free roam role or at least be allowed to bait (i.e. if two terrorists attack a position, scream should be the second guy to peak and not the first, because a player like him will 100% avenge the death of his teammate, and losing him to AWP or a CT sitting in a superior position that allows for an easy first frag would be a big waste).

however it's far from being the the main reason, because he isn't as dominate as before even in 1v2/2v3 situations, where there's no strat for him to follow. the reason for that is that even if his opponent doesn't kill him with his panic spray, he'll still reduce him to like 10hp.
2013-02-26 14:29:45
I don't know how his time in IMG was and how structured they were, but it seems like when he joined VG he got a lot more restricted to guidelines rather than "running around shooting/peaking" which probably is a turn-around point for him and a thing he need to deal with now to try to fit in.

I don't think he has got any worse after joining VG, he is just restricted. But not in a bad way, I think it's a good thing to be restricted as it makes the whole team a lot stronger, rather than relying on one person doing his "A-game" every single time as it seemed to in IMG (shoxie was/is of course another strong gamer in that team). But he (Scream) was very much needed to turn a game around in IMG when they were in contraction, which forced them to let Scream do is "thing".

Post edited 2013-02-26 15:02:33
2013-02-26 15:01:19
scream and i share the same fate xD
2013-02-26 15:34:19
That would be disappointing if it`s true. He already have edge on aim, so why would he become chicken and play worse just because others can kill him easier now? If anything then it should force him to polish his skills further.
2013-02-26 18:11:32
I don't agree.. spraying wasn't OP in 1.6. The spraying and tapping was very good balanced in 1.6. You could learn to get to know the spraying and tapping did what you wanted(what isn't the case in go). Atleast depends on the distance of the opponent ofcourse. And still if you're enemy was closeby you would be faster tapping him a heady then that he would be spraying at you.

but i do think that scream was better of before the update. Still he and verygames just need to figure out how to use him.
2013-02-27 10:46:02
Ex6tenz forcing him to use 2 cans of hairgel each day so he fits in the team for photos and such. This made his mouse so slippery that he cant play as good as he used to do
2013-02-26 11:34:12
lol
2013-02-26 11:36:17
Finally someone with a logical explanation
2013-02-26 11:56:52
n1 xD
2013-02-26 12:03:57
hahahahahaahhaha :D
2013-02-26 12:06:59
lmao
2013-02-26 12:15:38
+1
2013-02-26 12:24:34
hahaha you won :D VG=VeryGel
2013-02-26 12:35:04
You mean VeryGay ?
2013-02-26 15:27:42
Exactly my thoughts
2013-02-27 08:46:36
haha
2013-02-27 09:07:36
because pasha was there.
2013-02-26 12:21:22
+ heatON
2013-02-26 12:40:27
http://bit.ly/YxD1HW
2013-02-26 13:32:31
haha that's awesome +1
2013-02-27 11:53:27
update, cY@~ interpbug
2013-02-26 12:42:57
+
2013-02-27 19:19:09
UPDATE > ScreaM
2013-02-26 12:53:27
by: Dok1
#55
"fall in skill" -> still top5 player at mad catz vienna
2013-02-26 13:33:46
lol he wasnt top5 of the tournament...
2013-02-26 13:43:30
he was top5 between the only 10 players that played 12 maps (1 map being considered 1 game). he took 3rd place in those 10 players. in fact, only VG and esc played 12 maps/games. after all, more games, more frags.

but on k/d ration he wasnt in top12.

top 6 was: 1. GTR, 2. F0rest, 3. Xizt, 4. Guardian 5. Fiflaren, 6. Markeloff.

Post edited 2013-02-26 15:35:48
2013-02-26 15:33:59
New Role, new team, Whole New Level and Way Higher Goals, I think he just needs some time. After all he is replacing someone who can not be replaced. or not ? will see...

In ex6 we trust.



2013-02-26 13:55:05
scream died with the recoil patch
2013-02-26 15:26:35
VeryGames ScreaM * Razer vs Anexis (k, a, d, ratio) 7 1 16 0.44
2013-02-26 15:27:33
hehe
2013-02-26 15:45:34
VeryGames ScreaM * Razer vs Anexis ON SEMI FINAL (really important)
58 kills, 45 death.
It's so easy to take a single match stats...
2013-02-27 13:47:55
scream was the worst player verygames had in the tournament. i took his weakest match. and it doesnt matter if you are good/decent (cause he was decent) in a match lost.
2013-02-27 19:21:19
good to see f0rest doing a interview.. epic beard!
2013-02-26 15:40:23
He was amazing, you are dumb. delete your operating systems asap and throw your tablet and phone out the window. If you live on the ground floor then get to the roof first.
2013-02-26 15:46:13
he have 70% HS rate in Vienna last weekend. he ist by far best "hs aimer" in the world
how can he fall in skill
check statistics on cadred ...
2013-02-26 16:25:13
scream dont lose his skill just he dont give so much HS
2013-02-26 17:27:27
what are you talking about? what you expect to kill all 5 in every round vs top teams.. he is a beast !! he prove himself on mad catz.. stop talk bullshit...
2013-02-26 17:29:30
this is stupid threat.. delete pls stupid guy...
2013-02-26 17:29:55
maybe he changed position in VG...
2013-02-26 18:13:14
Rpk was and will still belong the best french cs player(any versions) of all time
2013-02-26 18:14:59
nop :) mSx sixeR and maj3r are above him just sayin' :)
2013-02-26 22:26:18
Rpk = n00b got his reputation on noob game. Sixer and mSx were at the same lvl of f0rest on 1.6 (best player of cs go) oh wait we didn't see rpk doing the half that f0rest does on cs go :(

Post edited 2013-02-27 08:11:44
2013-02-27 08:10:38
Oligan and msx were the best
2013-02-27 12:55:56
VG just don't know how to use him properly.
2013-02-26 18:19:51
by: mah9
#92
Because he isn't the only player on his team with top level skill anymore... it was the same situation as every other top player before he is "discovered" and joins a big team... he was the clear standout player from his previous teams, now he has kennyS, NPK, etc... to take kills from him, and he is player a higher % of top level teams. ScreaM was overrated from the beginning, people on this website seriously never learn, makes me think the average age of a fan must be getting lower and lower, because people use the intellect of an 8 year old. Clearly ScreaM's stats were going to level off when joining VG, and the ability for a few nice clips to make people think a player is godlike is absolutely pathetic, another thing that added to ScreaM's appeal to stupid fanboys.
2013-02-26 22:24:12
i think his new mouse is the reason.
2013-02-27 08:08:00
the skill level of opponents is rising
2013-02-27 08:51:03
yeah, scream dont lose quality, but pro players are improving in this new game. Despite of scream still is a incredible fragger.
2013-02-27 13:51:14
yeah +1
2013-02-27 14:48:36
That is the only truth.
2013-02-27 14:13:36
shit player :D
2013-02-27 10:47:43
Interp fixed ...
2013-02-27 12:59:09
The exact same thing happened to Rpk when he join VG (in css). The play style of Ex6TenZ is really different from what they had before (ozstriker for scream, krl for rpk).
Now he can't run everywhere and kill everybody, the team play is more "collective", every player has a specific role.
It's just a matter of time imho.
2013-02-27 13:42:07
VG still needing changes and it's not ScreaM fault.
2013-02-27 18:43:27
guess that in VG he cant play like he was used to....now in VG he has to be more teamplayer than he was in past...and in VG there is more presure for good results
2013-02-27 18:51:20

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