God?
I have just one question and i am asking just because of my curiosity..
Do you believe in god? and if not you can write also why

thanx for every answer
(2255 replies)
Created 2010-11-09 13:47 by: hed0r
yes, i'm sure believe in God.

Post edited 2010-11-09 13:52:04
2010-11-09 13:51:53
###Come on guys keep it clean please###

And put some effort into your answer as to why you think God does/doesn't exist.

Its a sensitive subject so try not to offend your fellow posters.
2010-11-09 14:31:10
use to do....there are over 3000 religions on the planet...most of the people are into the religion of their forefahers..they didnt get to choose..they were borned into a christian/muslim/hindi etc family and they embrace that religion. influence 100%; and everyone claims that their religion is the right one; but how can you say that when you only know 1 or 2 religions...it`s like living all your life in a town and claiming that town is the best on earth. also..if there would had been a god, he should have stopped the very high number of fanatics that commited countless crimes as "the will of god". religion started as a concept..not talking about the ancient one...religion was the morality defender..what kept you from stealing/murdering otherone who had more.. fear of law and god! i`m not against religion...i`m for anything that promotes human virtue..to do good..just cant believe a god exists!

Post edited 2010-11-10 22:27:01
2010-11-10 22:26:12
this guy has it spot on.
2010-11-11 06:58:06
Many have discussed the concept of a god and some have even found that the people of what I'll call "older times" is the sun that they actually believed to be god. Now on to my own beliefs. I like to live life with some faith in a happy ending, although true or not my faith may or may not guide me to do good and bad. It's your own choices at the end of the day that judge who you are. and that is what a sense of God really could be. Many have said "Only God can judge me." But the choices you make at the end of the day are what really judge you so only you can judge you. Because the time we spend in our own minds is what makes us our own worst enemy. Whether god is real or a fairy tale is for YOU to decide. I believe in God and let my own faith guide me. I do not follow any bible or any religion. I don't need to go to a giant church to prove my love for god. It's a personal choice and i also like having the faith of something better once I depart from this world. I enjoy the thought of something that is according to probability not possibly acceptable or "real" but perception is reality friends. However, following what some ancient book tells you to do is beyond me. Live life the way you find it to offer you the fullest potential. and I still can't myself live life to that fullest potential. and it's not because of my faith its because of my fears. Enjoy the world for what it is because the long amount of time the earth has been here does not compare to the short amount of time you really have. Some may say life is long and boring but to what end? The earth is billions of years old and yet many people don't live to 80. Praise the the dead, honor thy family, greet thy neighbor, and enjoy the company of the friends you have and the people you show care for most in this world. The only thing I'd change about this world is knowing life came with a paycheck and by that I mean, right when we're born we grow up just to pay. Money makes the world go round as you can see from the current circumstance. I only hope no matter anyone's beliefs that there is a common ground where everyone makes the decision they know is right. For me to say that makes me a hypocrite considering the wrongs I've made but that's for my mind to deal with not yours, not my friends, not my friend's friends. But my own mind. Free your minds but do not fear to open them to alternate possibilities even if probability proves against it. Live life with a smile not a frown. :-) I enjoy and value everyone's opinion as we all think differently and that's what I enjoy most is that we're all so different in our own mind so each opinion is so unique.
2010-11-11 08:05:26
Great, reflected comment :) I agree with almost everything you write - not that it matters of course, as those are only my thoughts... ;)
2010-11-12 19:47:18
nice read mate :)
2011-09-20 22:37:39
Sorry for replying to you, but I must say that I completely agree with you. I don't believe in god or anything, but the thing I respect the most is what you just said: believing in god without any religions or a holy book. That's what I respect. Great text, man.
2011-09-21 19:08:50
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2011-11-10 19:04:26
Wall of text..

If u already put a huge effort into writing this, could you please make it readable??
2011-09-23 22:41:39
it is...
2011-11-13 01:40:22
it really aint...
2012-02-24 17:37:59
It really is...
2012-02-24 17:50:14
great read, man. At first I was like "I'm too lazy to read this all", but I stepped above myself and did this. Thanks for your opinion, thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. I'm thinking at the same way in question of religion. Maybe sometimes we'll see each other and get some cosy chat with some beer as well :P

P.S. Sorry for my bad English. I'm really trying to get it better :)

Post edited 2011-09-24 06:37:32
2011-09-24 06:35:56
You're completely comprehensible
2011-11-15 05:53:34
Thank you, friend! It means much for me :))
2011-11-15 06:50:50
I know a lot of russians so I'm used to a little lower standard for "understanding" the meaning of the words :)
2011-11-15 13:08:52
On her radio show sometime prior to 2004, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an observant
Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22,
and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following response is an
open letter to Dr. Laura, penned by a US resident, which was posted on the
Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:





Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law.

I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge
with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual
lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly
states it to be an abomination. ... End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of
God's Law and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odour for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbours. They
claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus
21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I
tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A
friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not
Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2.
The passage clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated
to kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I
don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a
defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my
vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27.
How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me
unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different
crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two
different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse
and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of
getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we
just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people
who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable
expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan,

Anonymous
2012-02-23 22:30:14
read the other half of the book.. it answers all the questions.
2012-02-24 16:33:15
The only answer I got it's that god is bipolar.
2012-02-24 21:51:16
read the OLD BIBLE Mr. Ignorant it answers fucking bullshit...try to find the story when and how religion(s) was/were involved into humanity you idiot and then you could write less shit......religions were/are/will always be a mighty organization and the most important thing is that all believers spend money or gifts....open your fucking eyes seriously
2012-02-25 09:00:13
slow your roll brah.. what do you mean by the "OLD BIBLE"? your rant doesnt even make sense. i never even mentioned anything about religions... at all. Jesus tried to get people to turn away from the organized and political non sense that most churches are still tied into today.. thats why he was crucified by the Jewish leaders because He told them everything they were doing was wrong, and not only claimed to know the right way, but that He was God in the flesh. They hated Him because He kicked it with the "scum of the earth"(sinners) and opposed what they[the church] stood for. He rebuked the Pharisees(the leaders) for showing people how righteous they were and puffing themselves up with pride because they followed the rules(the mosaic law).. mentioned in #1761. He doesnt care about perfection because He knows we cant be perfect, its not about following rules anymore.. its not about going to church every sunday, or tithing, or building houses, or sponsoring little poor kids in africa, or not eating or thouching certain things.. its about Him.

I assume by "and the most important thing is that all believers spend money or gifts" you are talking about tithing? what is your point? God never says your gonna go to hell or anything bad is going to happen to you if you dont tithe.. He said "come as you are" you know, like the Nirvana song. I agree, stay away from anyone that tries to guilt you into giving money or tells you that you need to give them money. Trust me its not the most important thing to anyone that knows what the bible says and truly believes and stands for it. Its the most important thing to people who only care about your money.. it happens in a lot of places aside from churches.

why you so angry bro? chillax
2012-02-26 14:27:00
First off, prove that the Christian Jesus existed before saying that he did this, or that! Secondly, didn't the Christian Jesus, according to the Christian Bible, say that he did not come to abolish the old laws, which would mean that they all still stand firm? Also, if you wanna tell us about what the Christian Jesus did, why not mention the part where he says that he's come to divide people? Matthew 10:34-35
2012-04-10 22:53:48
Hahaha, the questions sound like one made by a schizophrenic maniac. Religion can be used as propaganda to control people, sadly some people don't realize it.
2012-02-25 10:25:23
Same with me :P
2012-02-24 17:51:31
dude, u can make a god damn book!
2012-02-23 23:04:34
You are stupid.Why has so more you writed?
2012-02-24 11:45:44
men, full of words without a single line break.
2012-02-25 08:29:01
tl;dr
2012-02-28 00:27:41
awesome read :D read the 1st and the last line and decided that il just read it , and after i read it i believe it was totally worth every second i spent reading it :D :) agree with ur views as well :)
2012-03-17 05:20:15
THATS EXAAAACTLY what i believe
2012-04-11 11:30:40
Wow. So long ago, yet, my beliefs are completely different. I like to believe in a happy ending still, but I've pretty much turned into an atheist.
2012-06-05 23:24:08
everything you said makes sense, since most of the religions that i know of follow the same
1. pattern of supernatural rebirth of a messiah
2. pattern of celebrating festivals at the end of winter solstice
3. pattern of holy book filled with instructions regarding harmony, peace and co-existence and still they manage to kill millions of people in the name of god...
It is a hopeless subject and always has a disappointing result :) trust me, i have a family having a blind faith in Hindu Brahmin's religion !
2011-09-21 09:20:48
course you believe! You are brasilian ..
2010-11-09 19:48:54
by: 3rd
#383
and you are retardian
2010-11-09 23:18:46
Man it's true. Almost 90% of brasilian people are religous. :)
2010-11-09 23:33:43
by: 3rd
#392
Ok sorry
2010-11-09 23:34:20
3rd
2011-09-20 22:30:35
And what's wrong there ?

Ofc I belive in God one and only Allah !

btw. To those ateist, I don't get you ppl, I mean just look at the space, that is God's masterpieace
2011-09-21 18:35:02
Not a valid statement. Back it up a little please?
2011-09-21 18:42:35
I won't arrgue with you! Ateist ppl have their own philosphy and it's just retarded. "oh I have one life,what God he doesn't exist,I'm the God etc." And when they day they will meet face to face with a creator=God. You should read more books,but first of all you should watch documentary movie "Arrivals", he is pretty long,but there you have it facts,proves etc ;)
2011-09-21 18:53:09
It's OK to believe that there is afterlife if it helps you, and it's hard to believe that there only exists one life, for me. You think that atheism philosophy is retarded, but it is what happens, no need to read books to understand it. What believers have is a delusion and there is no reason to name atheism beliefs as "RETARDED", not till somebody shows up with some good proofs. It is totally backwards, because you are the one who has to prove your well-told-history of god and your prophets, and as you haven't got any evidence but only a book (with no proofs by the way), it's me the one who has to call your philosophy of life as retarded and delusional.


X: I can fly, you don't believe me?
Y: Well show me if you can, then...
X: Bah, you are so retarded.

Who is in a correct position of calling retarded or whatever he wants to call his friend in this made up conversation?

If you have some other 'good' proof to back up your statements, leaving behind that shitty documentary and the qu'ran, then show me, or then better why don't you arrange a meeting with me and god? Ah sorry, nobody is able to do it, my mistake, forgot that nobody have seen him, but only.. dead.. people? animals? bacterias? insects? This is so confusing... You were right, I am the retarded one!
2011-09-21 20:23:10
Yes man you are retarded. I said look at the space only !Space is perfect,if one star is centimeter left or right,there would be catastrphic for earth. And for you ateist one life works. And it's cool for you,now. You have proofs,but you don't wanna see them, and I will not arrgue with you, 'cause I just hate ateist.

Post edited 2011-09-22 12:04:44
2011-09-22 12:04:08
You are already arguing with me, so stop saying that you aren't or don't want to haha. And sorry if I offended you, but I just simply can't see the signs or evidence from god that you see, or want to see... haha.

All the real things have a why, that's for sure. Fortunately we had/have/will have people searching for that 'WHY' and not people like you who are comfortable with those silly beliefs. Keep living your uthopia... why don't you suicide and simply go to the so better place called paradise/heaven/whatever? Is there also a trick in your religion that bans you from doing that? I mean you will be with all your fellows muslims there and you will have no atheist to hate or to argue about with :P

Post edited 2011-09-22 12:34:17
2011-09-22 12:33:28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7GgQl6yngo&fea..

Look all parts than say God doesn't exist, blind man.

Man ok you don't belive in God,ok your life,but man you are retarded. First read books about religions. And then write something please. 'Cause your sentences are stupid,'cause you don't know anything about this

Post edited 2011-09-22 17:16:08
2011-09-22 17:13:58
The arrivals, hahahahaha. Sorry I laughed.
2011-09-22 23:03:34
I honestly believe is blatant arrogance and ignorance, and all the facts you know about are human-made as well...

I mean, like the dude said, space is perfect, we can FEEL emotions, the world.. everything.

It's quite obvious in my pov.
And the line of thought "antropocentrism"(?) that puts "I/ME" (mankind) at the center of the world is failed.. and it has been for hundreds of years, it's just so much arrogance...

A man without faith is nothing, for at the first sight of peril he shall perish. - ME.
2011-09-22 23:12:03
You sound like my ex religion teacher with all those silly examples trying to prove that god exist.
What has to do feeling emotions with god? What you mean about we can feel the world? What are you saying?
That's the difference, why you haluccinate that you can feel god or talk with him when you pray or something? That crazy you are?

And replacing theocenstrism for antropocentrism is not failing, it's called progressing. Let's be a little more smarts please, we are in year 2011, theocenstrism was a line of thought from the medieval age, an age where people had plenty more doubts that we got now and we well know what that doubts produced, and not from medieval age only, for many centuries ago, people believing that they were the chosen ones from god and can do what ever they wanted to, wars in name of god or religion, did you also heard about witch hunting? Sorry man, but I prefer not being part of that and yeah, I also prefer being nothing and having no faith.

I think that you are the ignorant and arrogant, if you want to hide all the things that were done by that line of thought.
For sure, theocentrism was cool!!!!!






2011-09-22 23:51:35
Hmm? Sorry but when did I ever try to "hide" all that?

I despise all that you said, extremists and "witch hunters" and people like "BELIEVE OR DAAAAAAAI" that's stupid, so I don't get where you're coming from... :)

But yes, Antropocentrism is arrogance beyond measure, progressing? Dude, that's why our world is fucked up today. 'cause we think we're so cool that we don't need anyone/anything else, you just ignored all that, did you not? I wonder why.

Yes, war for religion was very stupid, I agree!

And, by feelings I meant, how else can we explain feelings at all? Chemichals? no thanks

Feelings are too awesome, that's what I meant, there is no other possible explanation for them, imo.
2011-09-23 17:53:51
Will you tell me that you prefer theocentrism instead of antropocentrism? I know antropocentrism is also wrong, but yes it's progressing. Theocentrism gave people no chance to doubt about anything, it's more like a tyranny, and antropocentrism it's more liberal.
The world wasn't so cool when theocentrism was there, was it? You can't come and say that because of antropocentrism the world is fucked up as we see it. You can't forget what in that times happened, and then if you don't know what happened or you are just ignoring it, as most of the believers do, you might get informed a bit, or study a little hard, I don't know what they teach you in school, but coming and saying that you still believe in Adam and Eve story? Then what? The Earth it's 6000 years old? Noah's Ark? Sorry, I'm too stupid for not believing that.

And if you can't understand or explain why do we have feelings, it's because you are way too much brainwashed or just ignoring it. And I recommend to study a little bit more, if you already do so, but to me seems you don't and didn't. I also recommend you to stop writing imo after something you think you are right and you are defending then, because it's nothing but an opinion, and for example, feelings do have an explanation.

And finally, stop saying that I'm ignoring things, as you are the one who is already a part of an arrogant and ignorant religion. And you know why. Call them extremists, etc, etc, but even the ones who are not extremists are ignorants, and an example is you, if you consider yourself not being an extremist, which I think you won't but you are.
2011-09-23 18:58:05
Uh.. I never ever said "theocentrism" is better or it should be followed... did I?
Hrm.

2. Explain feelings then, because I don't think they are as cheap as chemichals.

3. Ignorant, arrogant, why? I'm just debating this here, hoping that you people will see, but I'm not trying to insult anyone (and forgive me if I did) or make fun of anyone, and, if you call people that have faith ignorant and arrogant just BECAUSE they have faith... then... well

I really don't know how to argument against that, because I see no point at all there and arguing against something like that would be just a terrible waste of time since... someone that has that opinion is clearly, extremely biased.. I mean.. why?

Oh my.
2011-09-23 21:22:51
You can't argument, simple as that :P
2011-09-23 21:50:38
You didn't say that theocentrism is better or should be followed, you are right, but saying that antropocentrism (who takes god as a factor and man as a center) it's almost the same, because after theocentrism comes antropocentrism, it's a change of thought, and you called it blatant arrogance and ignorance. So I assume you liked more the other, and it's obvious, for the things you write. Saying that you believe in Adam and Eve shows me how theocentric you are.

I won't explain you what feelings are or how are they produced, you have google dude, it's very easy.

I also call the people who have faith as weak people.
2011-09-23 22:39:00
But if you know... explain! :O

Ummm, faith is our biggest strenght alongside Love!!! :D

Last post, but it's true!

A faithless human gives up at the first sign of defeat, that's being weAAAk
2011-09-24 01:53:13
Shall I quote it from some random web along the internet? No, you do it, there's a lot of info about it.

A faithless human gives up at the first sign of defeat, that's being weAAAk


:| Weak is not assuming reality... and that's you. Do you think that I give up or gived up the moment I realized that there was no after life? I don't understand what you are saying. Please.

2011-09-24 02:38:50
You sir, should write a book, from what I read.
2011-11-12 21:43:55
huh?
2011-11-12 22:44:29
Wall of text(s).
2011-11-13 14:22:16
With faithless you mean atheists? I'm an atheist and I don't give up on anything, I have faith in myself, I don't need to believe in something unreal to feel some comfort.
2011-11-12 21:49:37
+1 agree with you!
2011-11-15 12:38:23
+1
2012-02-23 15:20:18
Read #260

simple and clean
2011-09-23 18:17:36
'cause you are just one retard !
2011-09-23 11:42:57
I know...
2011-09-23 18:59:37
brainwashed bosnians
2012-02-26 02:59:26
hahahaha I know for you and retarded ppl like you thinking "there is no God" helps 'cause than they can do everything they wont and they don't feel guilty
2012-02-26 11:39:37
You don't have moral, ethics and laws in Bosnia? You need religion to make you behave like sheeps or something?
2012-04-30 12:36:10
brainless you can't see i ignore those kind of retards ?
2012-04-30 13:23:06
I actually just watched the video.
It's right there up in your face, what's on the video.
We life an obvious life.
Study study study so we can work work work and buy buy buy and then die.
Great life, no?
no

Laugh all you want, but it's obvious.
"We only live once, so do whatever!"

And another thing, our world tell us to be independent, so:

"Depend on no one, be self-suficient, trust no one, you're your own god"

So in the end, people kinda die alone... leaving a sad life behind, having no one to even grief for them.

I mean, forget that we're talking about God and religion.

Isn't what I just said true?
You know it is~

It's sad, man, it's not like we want our poiint to prevail over yours, it's just sad knowing that so many people are ignorant and being fooled and what awaits them is an ugly ending, it's sad, honestly.

Especially when it's your loved ones, you want them to go to Heaven with you, right?

Poop.
2011-09-22 23:22:35
lol, what are you talking about ? OMG if you belive in God he will help on you in the some way and you won't know about that. Man I lost my father last year,and I still belive,most of ppl stop bealive. I belive, 'cause i read books about my religion,watch scientic facts and yes I'm sure that God exist.
2011-09-23 11:47:09
+1 I hope you are right, mate.

Amen.
2011-09-23 17:54:05
there should be less people like you... prove me the existance of god, if you are so sure then. :) there is no god to help you, your father died, ur mother will die, you will die some day, stop your shit with god..
2011-09-23 18:48:19
Wtf is wrong with you? Even if there ain't any god, why should it be bad for people to believe in a god. I am agnostic and I don't think that it is stupid to believe in an existence of a god or godlike creature if this helps you to get along with the loss of a loved person. How can you tell him that there is no god if it helps him?
2011-11-13 01:52:41
+1
2011-11-15 12:41:33
OMFG WHO DO YOU THINK WROTE THOSE BOOKS and made those movies???? HUMANS or GOD(s)???????????

open your eyes man
2012-02-23 15:22:15
goddamn you are stupid
2011-11-11 16:37:19
You said ? lol
2011-11-12 13:32:44
your socalled BELIEVE in god is based on movies and books LOL

what do you think about the evolution theory?
what about all cruel in the world?
what about all those sick people out there?
if there is a god why doesn´t he show that he is out there?
why do we have a choice to believe or not to believe?
yout thoughts are ok with me but completely nonsense based on nothing.

you want to believe thats ok....


It would be interesting how you imagine god? as a person? a white light? yellow light? fog?
2012-02-23 15:27:53
If God shows he's self, than everyone will belive, and there is no purpose to ppl live, 'cause there would be no wars,murders,thiefs, etc.
And your questions are like kid who have 10 years. I feel sorry for you and your parents
2012-02-23 17:45:57
man noone can top your ignorance answer one question:

Who do you think made this book and the documentary?
2012-02-23 22:27:12
"than everyone will belive, and there is no purpose to ppl live, 'cause there would be no wars,murders,thiefs, etc."

So God doesn't show himself because he wants people to die and feel insecure. What a sick bastard he must be huh?
2012-04-30 12:33:56
the theory of evolution.. on his deathbed, Charles Darwin(the guy who came up with the theory of evolution) willing confessed that if no multi-celled organisms, OR, the missing link were ever found, then his theory was absolutely false and incorrect. He converted to christianity. To this day there has been no findings of either of those things. Along with that, the majority of supporters of evolution and the "big bang" theory are beginning to adopt the belief of "intelligent design" which actually involves a Creator. Yeah, thats right. A supreme being that actually put all of this into motion. Not a random series of events that leads to the eventual mutation of cells to become what we are today. To this day many scientists will tell you that the human eye is "proof" of God because its such an amazing and almost incomprehensible part of the human body, and could not have happened through random mutation and adaptations.

all the cruel in the world? Yeah its true, people can be evil as hell. We have all heard this question before. Its a touchy question because we say, "well, why does God allow evil?" "why does he allow good things to happen to bad people?" these are good questions. However, where do we draw the line on evil? Mudering, stealing, lying, etc..? What is good? Not doing those things? To someone that believes in God, He is the essence of good, and everyone else falls short, which makes them, you guessed it, evil. Therefore they should be destroyed? The will of man is a far more terrifying thing than the will of God. But, if you take away free will then what is the point of all of this? That makes absolutely no sense at all, I mean, God doesnt want a bunch of robots, He wants people. Problem with people is they tend to do terrible things, so that means bad stuff happens, a lot. With, or without God, there will be cruelty and pain and suffering because of the people that make up the world.

yeah people get sick.. but what about all the cures and medicines and vaccines that have been found through natural elements that come from the earth that many would say, God created? And the knowledge of those medicines and sciences that He gave to doctors and nurses and surgeons and specialists to be able to treat and help sick people? What about the genuine medical miracles that happen everyday, that even the best and brightest people in the world cannot explain? Random coincidences? Maybe, i guess.

why doesnt He show Himself? It doesnt take faith to believe in what you already now exists. Then again, maybe you have never looked hard enough..

Why do we have a choice? Free will, bro. Free will. Would you rather be a slave? Remember.. people, not robots. Keeps things exciting.

How do you prove that God DOESN'T exist? thats what I want to know. Enough about man-made organized religions, and the same questions that have been asked for thousands of years. I think it takes just as much faith to be an atheist as it does to believe in God. Go ahead, Judge me. GG
2012-02-24 17:47:28
You are missinforming people.

1) the theory of evolution.. on his deathbed, Charles Darwin(the guy who came up with the theory of evolution) willing confessed that if no multi-celled organisms, OR, the missing link were ever found, then his theory was absolutely false and incorrect. He converted to christianity. To this day there has been no findings of either of those things.

Darwin was a christian since the beginning, since he was grown up as a one. He didn't ever say that if the *link* (I suppose you are claiming the link between humans and monkeys? The common ancestor?) was never found, or if willing confessed that if no multi-celled organisms (I didn't understand this part, makes no sense what you wrote), the theory would be false. The 'theory' is a fact nowadays. I can give you an example, since you talked about vaccines, why do you think that scientists have to invest for new ones? Why do you think that cockroaches are stronger to the poisons we spray on them? Why do you think we have domestic dogs, cats? Another creatonist myth you may state, it's that transitional fossiles do not exist, but we just haven't found some of them. We have transitional fossiles for whales, horses, and a lot of mammals. I will quote you: Then again, maybe you have never looked hard enough.. I almost forgot to say, that anyone who has studied the human eye, would know how blind we are. A simple example, why did god gave halcons better vision than us if we are the center of the universe for him?

2) Along with that, the majority of supporters of evolution and the "big bang" theory are beginning to adopt the belief of "intelligent design" which actually involves a Creator. Yeah, thats right. A supreme being that actually put all of this into motion. Not a random series of events that leads to the eventual mutation of cells to become what we are today. To this day many scientists will tell you that the human eye is "proof" of God because its such an amazing and almost incomprehensible part of the human body, and could not have happened through random mutation and adaptations.

That's another false statement since nowadays, more than the 90% of the science community approves and supports both theories. The miniroty are just creationists, who present their theories by trying to disprove the evolution theory. But yes they have no clue or proof about his belief-theory, called 'intelligent design', who actually, was refuted and called 'stupid design', mocking the blindness of the people who stated it, and well deserved by the way. Neil deGrasse Tyson stated the following points that destroy the 'intelligent design':

UNIVERSE:
1) Most planets orbits are unstable
2) Less than 3% of a gas cloud makes a star
3) Most places kills life INSTANTLY (heat, radiation, cold, etc)
4) Galaxy orbits brings you near a supernova (destroys the ozone layer)
EARTH:
1) Earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, tornadoes, floods, hurricanes, lighting strikes, which take life constantly and destroy cities.
2) Can't live on 2/3 of it's surface.
3) Mass extinctions - disease, climate shift, asteroids.
4) 90% of all life that lived is now extinct
5) 3.5 billions of years to 'make' multi-cell life
HUMANS:
1) Leukemia, hemophilia, sickle cell anemia, multiple scleorosis, epilepsy, parkinsons.
2) Exhale most of the oxygen we inhale.
3) Warm-blood (we) have to eat constantly if not we die, compared to cold-blood species.
4) CO, CH4, CO2, many other gases, you breath them, you are dead.
5) Birth defects, bad formations of the embryo.

"The universe is not here for us"

We are not the center of the universe, and there is not designer AT ALL. I quote you again: Then again, maybe you have never looked hard enough..

3) The other points you made, it's just the same I've heard about for a while, coming out from believers. You are giving credits to a non existing being for all the achieviements human race have reach, and linking actions between the real world and a deity that you have no proof/evidence of. Irrationality at it's best.

How do you prove that God DOESN'T exist? thats what I want to know. Enough about man-made organized religions, and the same questions that have been asked for thousands of years. I think it takes just as much faith to be an atheist as it does to believe in God. Go ahead, Judge me. GG

I mean, come on. How is it fair to prove something that the claimers of it claims to exist, when they (you) can't prove it and don't have any clue of it's existence? Then if you think that is fair, I would grab a book about unicorns (yes pretty overused example, but useful), and tell you that you have to disprove the existance of them, when I have never prove it first, and since I know I can't, well...

The logic here you made, is that deep inside you, you know you can't prove god, and for being selfcomfortable, you just tell others to disprove something unreal, and since it's impossible, there's nothing more we could do, but just see how irrational you are being.

Sorry but I had to judge you, since you were missinforming people and telling lies.
2012-02-24 20:26:28
thank you bro your a genius dovah ....all that matters are FACTS.....i dont have to disprove anything when there is no proof of that...but dovah, i think you already mentioned that the strict believers are talking shit and believe in a "unicorn"

“If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is an intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time.”

Bertrand Russell (1872–1970)


so if you believe in god you should believe in exactly the same way into the china teapot, you cannnot proof that the teapot does not exist but you just believe that IT DOES..right?

NOW YOU CAN JUDGE ME THETHERONE

Post edited 2012-02-25 08:29:55
2012-02-25 08:20:38
I agree and I doubt if he has read what I wrote, nor if he understood it.
2012-02-25 22:24:25
and just saying: 500 years ago you would have been one of the strict believers that would have said that the earth is a disc because this is the easiest explanation for you and you just WANT TO BELIEVE...you have no proof but every other guy who says earth is not a disc is stupid
2012-02-25 08:51:17
This is what I was trying to explain. Darwin: , "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down." [2] Such a complex organ would be known as an "irreducibly complex system". An irreducibly complex system is one composed of multiple parts, all of which are necessary for the system to function. If even one part is missing, the entire system will fail to function. Every individual part is integral. [3] Thus, such a system could not have evolved slowly, piece by piece. The common mousetrap is an everyday non-biological example of irreducible complexity. It is composed of five basic parts: a catch (to hold the bait), a powerful spring, a thin rod called "the hammer," a holding bar to secure the hammer in place, and a platform to mount the trap. If any one of these parts is missing, the mechanism will not work. Each individual part is integral. The mousetrap is irreducibly complex.

FACT: Darwin's Theory of Evolution is a theory in crisis in light of the tremendous advances we've made in molecular biology, biochemistry and genetics over the past fifty years. We now know that there are in fact tens of thousands of irreducibly complex systems on the cellular level. Specified complexity pervades the microscopic biological world. Molecular biologist Michael Denton wrote, "Although the tiniest bacterial cells are incredibly small, weighing less than 10-12 grams, each is in effect a veritable micro-miniaturized factory containing thousands of exquisitely designed pieces of intricate molecular machinery, made up altogether of one hundred thousand million atoms, far more complicated than any machinery built by man and absolutely without parallel in the non-living world." [5]

And we don't need a microscope to observe irreducible complexity. The eye, the ear and the heart are all examples of irreducible complexity, though they were not recognized as such in Darwin's day. Nevertheless, Darwin confessed, "To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree."

I only express opinions based on what I believe to be true.. I wasnt attempting to "talk shit" as you like to put it. I dont see the need to try and be a complete asshole on the internet, I would rather do that to your face. Im not trying to prove God.. I know I cant prove that there is a God. If I could there would be no need for this thread. The fact of the matter is that I believe in something different than you. So, naturally, that makes me a moron with a low IQ that apparently doesnt know how to read or something? Im not gonna even give you the pleasure of a response if your gonna keep acting like a fuckin punk. And no, I still wont judge you. What you believe isnt as big of a deal to me as it obviously is to you what I believe. I dont want to convert you.. I was just giving my two-cents because monStaaa asked a few questions. I dont mind a debate.. but dont be a prick.

and just saying: and of course you would have jumped right on board with someone telling you that the earth was round.. Even though practically no one else believed that at the time because it was such a radical idea.. and only the bravest would venture the open see because fear of whirlpools sea creatures and falling off the edge of the earth. RIIIIIGGHHHTT... it wasnt a minority that believed the earth was flat. you would have believed the same shit.
2012-02-26 13:44:21
You were saying Darwin converted to christianism, that no missing links have never been found, that the majority of the supporters from the evo theory and big bang theory were 'moving' to the inteligent design, and the supposed complexity of the eye that would make it a creation. All of the points were false, I was just telling you why.

"If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down." [2] Such a complex organ would be known as an "irreducibly complex system". An irreducibly complex system is one composed of multiple parts, all of which are necessary for the system to function. If even one part is missing, the entire system will fail to function. Every individual part is integral. [3] Thus, such a system could not have evolved slowly, piece by piece. The common mousetrap is an everyday non-biological example of irreducible complexity. It is composed of five basic parts: a catch (to hold the bait), a powerful spring, a thin rod called "the hammer," a holding bar to secure the hammer in place, and a platform to mount the trap. If any one of these parts is missing, the mechanism will not work. Each individual part is integral. The mousetrap is irreducibly complex.

There is so much empirical knowledge about this, the slight modifications happen in the genes, and these modifications can produce major morphological modifications. About irreducibly complex systems, a fact it's that they CAN evolve from many slight modifications, so Creationist statements like the ones you are making, are absolutely irrelevant. There are many examples of irreducibly complex systems well tagged as ones, and examples of NOT really irreducibly complex system, and one is the human eye, as you named it before. The eye looks like it would be, for instance, because most of the parts are useless without the whole. But the retina actually isn't useless without the whole. It senses light, and when cupped can sense the direction of light. When cupped so much that it only lets in a little light at the top it can form crude images like a pinhole camera. From there all the other parts add in to improve the basic function.

It is NOT a fact that the theory of evolution it's in crysis, as I told you before it has a LOT of empirical knowledge, and it is funny how creationists and supporters of the 'inteligent design' attack it trying to find leaks on it, when they got nothing to make even a hypothesis of their stone age beliefs, if not olders. Michael Denton it is actually one of the starters who gave impulse to creationists to talk about this 'inteligent design' and blatantly defend it, attacking good and wellbased theories like the evolution theory, something that the evolution supporters will never make. If you can see the difference, supporters of the inteligent design are always attacking this theory to make their beliefs (yes beliefs because there's no empirical material to make even a valid hypothesis) stronger. Allthough Michael Denton it's good scientist, his book trying to refutate the evolution theory (the way I told you before), finally makes the theory stronger and not weaker, and you can read this article that explains it: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/denton.html

The quotes you made are extracted from www.allaboutscience.org am I wrong? At least it is mainly where they are stated. If you go to that web, and click "About Us", you will see that his main web is www.AllAboutGod.com, and this will finally explain it all. It's religion making science, something ridiculous.

I know you are just giving your opinion, but if giving an opinion it's argumenting with false facts...

You don't have to go to religious website to learn about science, you have to go to science websites. www.talkorigins.org it's a good one, you can give it a try.

My last question is: do you really think that the advances in the branches of science you named will make the evolution theory, weaker? Do you think they will make the creationist beliefs stronger? I don't think so...

By the way, there are many ways of making a mousetrap, as for every other irreducibly complex system. So...
2012-02-26 22:41:13
most of atheist give the simple answer and doesn't make sense.
2012-04-29 07:14:17
Like if simple was simple you could understand...
2012-04-29 16:34:58
Space is everything BUT perfect! It is the most inhospitable environment that we have encountered so far! There are freaking black holes scattered all over the place! The temperature is bellow freezing and there is no breathable air for us to inhale and thus survive. Is that what you call perfection?

Your statement about stars is based on ignorance. How would, Mars, a planet, for example, affect Earth in any way if it were 1 centimeter to the left or right? The same could be said for all of the other stellar bodies in the universe!

You're talking about proof, but what proof is there for your particular deity that is outside of your book of fairy tales? And even if there were a creator of the universe, how can you know, without your book of fairy tales, that it is YOUR particular deity?
2011-11-10 19:52:46
I lold !
2011-11-15 12:59:21
Why? Because I had shown that your argument was invalid?
2011-11-15 22:59:36
Sure lold again !
2011-11-16 00:36:16
You can lol all you want. It doesn't change the fact that Allah is no more real than Goku, only Goku has better super powers.
2011-11-16 10:15:13
Now you are not even funny, you are retard
2011-11-16 17:06:01
Nah, I'm funny and realistic. Why would you say that I am retarded? Because I refuse to believe in fairy tales unlike you?
2011-11-16 20:23:29
Ccc, yes I see ateist like retarded ppl. You think, that space is made by a ppls ? And all "strange" things for you are nothing. You like to bealive that every bad things you do here you want pay at the end. Ok bealive in that, now bye
2011-11-16 21:18:40
Could you please use proper English? I could hardly understand half of it.

I don't think that space was made by people, and I'd like for you to clarify the term strange. Is it something like a dog's anus being shaped like Mohamed, or something like a man's anus being shaped like Mohamed?

So, you want people to get punished for doing "evil" things, and that's why you believe?
2011-11-17 11:52:03
I lol'd :D Goku ftw
2012-02-26 03:02:48
How about you write a comment in your own words?
2012-04-10 22:34:25
that is my own blog
2012-04-11 10:52:15
Um, so why couldn't you write a reply on HLTV.org?
2012-04-13 14:11:49
ure an idiot, also ignorant kid

"herp my religion the best"
2011-11-11 08:10:54
Dumbass what are you trying to say, say it don't speak like you have issues with your mouth,oh yes you have, I told you not to swallow
2011-11-15 13:00:25
ahahahahahahahahahhaha
2011-11-17 01:31:36
You are going to hell.
2012-02-26 03:03:23
Dude you are brainwash, bealive me = )
2012-02-26 11:40:51
if one star is centimeter left or right,there would be catastrphic for earth

rly?...

stars are just suns (and just like any sun it dies eventurealy) we can see far away... so far away that the star you are looking at might not exist anymore, maybe not for a 1000 years, and the only reason you still can see it is that that star is maybe 2000 light years away, so you wont se the death of that star in the next 1000 years.
(all numbers are just an example)

so by your logic we will die becus one star is missing...
2011-11-15 07:06:36
I really, don't know how stupid you retardeds can be. You enyjoj to think, there is no God and that ppls are the smartest and powerfull living creatures, Dumbass
2011-11-15 12:57:14
i never said that... only that your "if one star is centimeter left or right,there would be catastrphic for earth" statement is wrong

but yes i dont belive in god, allah etc, but i DO belive that theres more to this world then what we know of
2011-11-15 16:17:38
That's not my statement. I watched it on Discovery. And i read it in one book. So I will bealive my own eyes and ears

Post edited 2011-11-15 18:44:54
2011-11-15 18:44:38
DISCOVERY Channel and one book....you dont believe your own eyes and ears you believe in the people who made the documentary and wrote the book you stupid dumbass
2012-02-23 15:32:54
We'll see retard
2012-02-23 17:43:37
Aren't you tired calling everyone a "retard"? You should calm down and think.. Maybe you are the retarded one?
2012-02-29 09:14:46
your opinion, my opinion is that yes, most of them are
2012-02-29 21:00:37
http://i.imgur.com/xiaLq.jpg
2011-11-15 23:05:03
I see you live in illusion you want to bealive in that story, so bealive I don't have anything agaist that, just don't say to me that God don't exist, and don't talk shit about my religion !
2011-11-16 00:38:17
I wish I could believe, but I actually have a brain.
2011-11-16 00:42:25
I wish you to start using it if you have one
2011-11-16 00:43:10
Your arguments are retarded and your retarded.

Post edited 2012-02-23 14:12:21
2012-02-23 14:11:54
Idiot a star being a centimeter in any direction will do fuck all. Let me guess you also think that the earth is in the perfect position and that if its a couple of metres closer to the sun we'll burn and if its further away we'll freeze...
2012-02-26 00:51:49
You have no brain obviously. On Venera temperature is 1000 celzius +, and behined us Mars it's freezing. And ofc Earth is on perfect place.
2012-02-26 11:38:27
Apart from the earth is on an elliptic orbit around the sun. So its constantly moving closer and further away from the sun. GG I WIN YOU'RE A FUCKIGN RETARDED TROLL
2012-02-27 03:51:00
what kind of retard can say for himself that he win LOOOL, dude you should read more books.
2012-02-27 17:22:05
Maybe you should read books about the earth and its constant change of distance between the sun.

Or read books on falling for trap questions.
2012-02-29 20:25:05
hahahaha what a funny conclution.
2012-02-29 21:01:28
fkin conclutions
2012-03-01 18:57:16
That's not true though
2012-02-26 19:42:34
Seen Him? Felt Him, man, even better! :)

You don't see love, nor sadness.
You feel it.

Just saying.
2011-09-22 23:24:04
Again, what have feelings to do with god? Anyways, then if you see feelings and emotions as something given by god, why would he gives us hate, sadness, and else? Is he that silly? I mean if I would have to create mankind why would I give them hate for example? Oh yeah, and then a lot years later I would send a prophet with 10 commandments so they can learn how to live!!!!!! Haha, yeah makes sense.
2011-09-23 00:11:46
MAN YOU ARE FREAKIN MORON !
GOD GAVE ALL THAT 'CAUSE WE ARE ON CHALLENGE ON THIS ILLUSION WORLD. WHY GOD CREATE HELL AND HEAVEN THAN ? TO SEE WHO IS WHO YOU STUPID IDIOT. YOU ARE JUST SOME RETARD WHO DON'T BELIVE I DON'T CARE JUST STFU YOU ARE STUPID AS HELL
2011-09-23 11:49:23
Makes sense.
2011-09-23 18:25:17
Yes it is, don't make sense to retards like you. "You have one life do everything you want". "Don't worry be happy".
2011-09-24 12:07:56
I'm retarded then.
2011-09-24 17:53:25
yes
2011-09-24 18:33:48
sorry, even if you lost your father last year, my condolences, I don't think that you have the right to judge someone as retarded because he is of other belief than you. I am agnostic and as such I don't believe into a god or godlike creature but I hope you keep your belief into your god and that it may help you getting through harsh times.
2011-11-13 01:59:51
Thank you
2011-11-15 13:01:24
read a pible or something nerd rager. yes yes, ofcourse, god created hell, where is it then. and heaven? wtf man. its made up things, ur just so stupid. :D
2011-09-23 18:50:32
You are really retarded
2011-09-24 12:09:13
I think you do care, if not you won't be replying that much.
2011-09-23 19:01:39
No I don't care, but when I see stupid post from one gaucho I must reply
2011-09-24 12:08:49
For your information I'm not a 'gaucho' (wonder if you do know what a gaucho is and it's story), but if you want to think I am it's OK for me.

Hope when your mind grows up, you could debate with coherence and height and not by saying that I'm just a retard because I do not believe in what you do. The same way could go to me, but no thanks.

Post edited 2011-09-24 18:00:44
2011-09-24 17:52:06
arent gauchos like cowboys? excuse my ignorance if im wrong but now you got me curious..
2012-02-24 17:53:24
gauchos are gauchos, cowboys are cowboys...
2012-02-24 20:37:12
how do you see a god ?as a human, animal, like a plant or something else ?
2011-09-23 23:22:57
He's not in human shape.
2011-09-24 12:06:11
So if I smoke weed the joint becomes god? I see, no wonder potsmokers believe in plants, they relax fellow man!
2011-11-15 06:07:43
meta-physic
2012-02-26 22:56:47
Well, you are going to hell at least, although it doesn't exist.
2011-09-24 02:06:11
nice rage there
your god doesnt exist











face it
2011-11-11 08:13:23
you are retard who bealive in illusion
2011-11-11 12:03:00
If hell is run by the devil, and he feeds off evil and doing bad, why do people who go to hell get tortured instead of being praised for the evil and bad they have carried out. There is no logic in religion...
2012-02-27 04:17:37
Umm, try to get your facts straight.

You know, basic stuff.. Adam & Eve...?
Forbidden fruit...?
Before that, only love and woo ponies happiness.
After that, bad stuff. Blame the little snakey there.

Easy peasy. You know what I don't like about atheists?
Their goal is: Try to prove their point, they get stuff and don't even try to understand it, they just take the "brute" and "literal" meaning and lay it there, typical human trait.

Our purpose isn't to prove our point over yours, buddy, but to try and help everyone, 'cause the concept of Heaven is good, no? Plus.. humanity.. so arrogant, my opinion.

But the post below.. he's right in some part, you just don't believe so you're just trying to be "more right", not trying to understand or being rational.

Imo.

God bless us all.
2011-09-23 17:58:31
Ok, I am talking with a guy who actually believes in Adam and Eve history, and then you said to me that I'm the one who is not being rational. What's wrong with you? Are you actually a creationist? It's like Dawkins says, and I think he is trully right, talking with creationists it's like a geographer dealing with someone that still defends the idea of a flat Earth, and you are saying that god created two human beings from I don't know what bone, and then a snake came and made them do bad things....... yeah I'm the one who is not being rational.


Just think about what I said, and ask yourself what if you have to create mankind, surely you won't make it as your 'god' did, simple as that. Your god is as silly as a cow.


2011-09-23 18:41:41
Okay, but you just ignored everything else I said.

Point?
Denied

And uh

Big bang. how?
Particles, how?
matter... how?
You, how?
air.. water.. sun... light.. darkness.. time.. space.
how?
And what came before that, how?
The reason of all above, how? Why?
Huh?
2011-09-23 21:26:29
I don't see what I have ignored, nevertheless I see how you are ignoring my points.

And answering all your questions, yes it's easy to say that god it's the answer to all that, but you are basing your 'theory' on a book from 2000 years ago, where people knew nothing compared to what we know now. How much ignorance do you think that existed in that age? Come on, it's not that difficult. I ask you to think you a bit.

I will keep saying, fortunately scientists like Copernicus didn't thought like you, you actually believe that we would know anything about anything if all the people had been thinking like you? Thinking in that way is been so fucking blind. You don't have the need to associate everything unknown to god, that's the problem, if not we wouldn't have progresed in knowledge.

Everything has an explanation, known or unknown, the fact that you can't understand it, it's because you are an ignorant person and way too blinded, starting with that you believe in Adam and Eve story, hahahaha. Really? I invite you to follow the studies on all those things you questioned me, and you will know that there has been a progress, and since the times goes by, more things are going to be discovered, and finally will be all cleared out, like everything. It's not so difficult do deduce it.

The problem that I see, it's that you see all those points as something that has to be proved so you can't no longer believe in god. It's like scientists have to keep seeking for answers for dumb and blinded people like you, and by the times they got something solved and shows something proved, you ask but then how is the other thing created/proved/etc? It has already happened and I think it will be happening and happening again and again. It's senseless. So I recommend you to keep praying, and we would continue progressing, ok?

2011-09-23 22:08:16
Okay, didn't even read after 1st paragraph.

Forget the Bible.

Take the Quran, they had things written on it (2000 years ago+?) that "science" only found out a few centuries ago at most.

What now?

Hrm?
2011-09-24 01:55:55
Hahahaha. I'm sorry, but you're so lost in your delusion. I respect people who has their believes, but some things are just stupid.
2011-09-24 02:08:14
Well, then if you didn't even read my 1st paragraph it's not fair to keep debating as you are taking advantage and going out of context.

And let's make it clear that I am not ignoring the fact that you named the quran, but lets be honest, if you are a catolic christian, how comes that you are quoting the quran? Don't you have to take your religion and beliefs as the one and only? It's senseless quoting islam's book... as is shitty as the bible too, and I mean that book wouldn't have to be truly for you. All religions books are written for their own convenience, respectively. Bible doesn't show the existance of god, but only a story, nor the quran does in islam.

It's also funny that you write science between ". You are being disrespectful to mankind.
2011-09-24 02:49:50
'Forget the Bible' a christian said...
2011-09-24 03:21:44
You're so clueless it's ironic :D Maybe you should study science
2011-11-15 06:09:57
You know what they say...

Arguing with religious people is like playing chess with a pigeon. In the end, the pigeon will knock over all your pieces, shit on the chessboard and then fly away as a "winner".
2012-02-24 11:37:45
as a "winner" yes, but winner no, in the end we'll see ;) They don't "need" a God, they think "ok, i will do everything i want" and most of ppl when they grow up see that God exist, but they were young, and that they only wish is to have fun, and party, drogs, etc
2012-02-24 19:12:54
+1
2011-09-21 19:13:24
*FACEPALM*

there is no fucking god lmao, how can people be so stupid. :D there is no damn god included in "making earth" or "making the space" or what ever. explain me then, who the hell is a god? some guy in space that helps us or what lol? there is 0 proofs of a god or some thing, there are just freaking stories like "omg a guy died and next day he walked away and hes a GOD!!!!!!!!" or i dont know what they were. anyways my point is, that all you have just been fucking brainwashed because you are beliveing in this kind of shit. you should learn how earth was made, instead of everything is made by godgod god. "omg hows dat made, that must've been GOD!!" your reason for beliveing this shit anyways? because of there is no such thing, every1 who doesn't belive in god lives alot better life (dont go in a fucking church, pray every day, do a terror attack because "god told them to do!!" or i dont know what the hell those freaks do..) instead, they hang out with friends and to something fun.. this god thing just makes me sick, there is no that kind of thing. ur just so stupid that you think god made everything and hes there somewhere. its just a made up thing..

sorry for offencive language, just cant take this shit thanxbai. :)
2011-09-23 18:45:50
"To those ateist, I don't get you ppl, I mean just look at the space, that is God's masterpieace"

Wow, your thought's complexity amazes me.
2011-09-23 18:49:56
Actually, 99% of brazilian people are religious.

Yeah...
2011-09-21 18:58:59
source?
LOL
2011-09-21 19:15:09
i have no ideia where this come from, but i think you have no ideia what you talking about..
2011-09-21 20:13:00
Hahahaahah :D
2011-09-22 06:34:19
LOL
2012-02-23 23:05:16
retardian.. lmfao, that was funny :P
2010-11-10 03:25:45
ROFL hahahhahaha
2011-09-20 21:30:24
to believe in god it has to be brazilian? you're have no sense.. 5-4 years ago i had questioned myself if i believe in God, but now i had passed for few moments that in my mind, it was God that helped me.
Believe or no believe it's a choise, than respect that =)
2010-11-14 12:21:44
Just because YOU passed that issue don't mean that are any god. I'm not saying that god doesn't exist but the issue was solved by you non by another guy. And I sad that almost Brazilian people are religious because they are. You see that everywhere by the way there are something in the History that says that, that thing in the Father Antonio Vieira. Read that.
2010-11-14 14:12:32
agree with u
2011-09-20 20:47:39
Trust me. God doesn't exist :)
Unfortunately most brazilian people believe in God because of dumb people that always say "jesus is the way" "let god touch your heart" and blablabla
2011-09-20 20:47:07
christian priests are famous in touching :D
2011-09-20 21:26:03
since when god is a human ?

why not a pigmen or a tigermen?

Anubis (egiptian god I think ) has a dog face( I think ) :s

And I still remember when I was bad my parents would say : " dont behave like that or God might punish you :O"

and People says God is good

If he punishes us he is not good :O
2011-09-20 21:35:54
dude... tune down on crystal meth.. wtf are you typing ??
2011-09-20 21:46:18
lol
2011-11-15 13:06:35
the biggest mistake is to think that God is only love. He's not only love, but also a consuming fire. youve clearly never read the bible. you should open ur mind for other things than your own ;).

People make bad choices around this planet, not God.
2011-09-21 08:19:08
+1

Aaah, true story.
2011-09-22 23:25:30
god exists in your mind

in mine doesnt :x
2011-09-23 18:54:49
ahahah I agree with you
2011-09-20 22:13:32
jewish rabbis too ;)
2011-09-21 19:15:49
teehee :D woRRdd
2011-09-21 19:19:22
true

since when god is a human ?

why not a pigmen or a tigermen?

Anubis (egiptian god I think ) has a dog face( I think ) :s

And I still remember when I was bad my parents would say : " dont behave like that or God might punish you :O"

and People says God is good

If he punishes us he is not good :O

Post edited 2011-09-20 21:35:38
2011-09-20 21:29:00
Parents who say that are idiots.
Because when kids grow up and they find out god doesn't punish you, they will act wrong.

They should keep it clean: Don't do it because it's not right or I don't support the idea.

The ignorance of people has nothing to do with God.

He doesn't punish us, they give us freedom to do whatever we want.
If we do things wrong, we'll be in "debt" with those we practice bad things.
He is so good, that he gives us more chances to repair our mistakes, giving us another life (Reincarnation)

That's the belief of Spiritism of the french Alan Kardec, and that's the religion I support.
2011-09-21 03:56:06
God doesn't exist.

"He doesn't punish anyone" yet there are people dying in agony everyday
"He gave us the freedom to do whatever we want" yet there are people that doesn't even know about your christian mythology.

"He is so good, that he gives us more chances to repair our mistakes, giving us another life (Reincarnation)" He is so good he left his son to be SACRIFICED by others fault, "HE IS SO GOOD", GUY, LOOK THROUGH THE FUCKING WINDOW.

PATHETIC.
2011-09-21 19:26:20
no arguments at all, you're pathetic.
2011-09-21 20:01:08
Obvious, cause everything I said = facts ;)

And you ignore every fact.
2011-09-21 20:17:23
staats, did you stop to think WHY bad things happen?

Why do we have aids?
A smart, atheist, screwed a monkey. Cool story, no?
Why do we have wars? We created guns. And we want to be the coolest no matter what, so if anyone tries to be cooler than us, we kill them. Fact!

Plus, Jesus, his Son, only died in flesh, not in soul, and that's how much He loves us. He left his own Son to die for us billions of stupid humans, you see, when you die for someone, that's a huge proof of Love right there.

Atheists ignore any SIGHT of facts too, y'know dat.
2011-09-22 23:28:28
The AIDS thing isn't as simple as that. The atheist fucked a monkey (HAHA thats what she said) and then there's aids everywhere? make me laugh :P

Why do we have wars? Well, we have some different kind of wars, mostly because of religions ;) (Do not ignore the past and the present)

Your god is so good. Left his son to die only in flesh. Well, flesh is the only thing that's real.
If your god was good, things just won't be bad, that's it. If I was god the world would be different now. it would be a good place for every living being ;) and I would make it clear that I am here and I am god.
Your god sucks, he can suck my dick, he can't kill me. HE DOESNT FUCKIN EXIST AND IF I AM WRONG, HE IS BAD. Period.

"Atheists ignore any SIGHT of facts too, y'know dat."
HAHA
This is funny.
Quit life and go to your heaven. Bye.
2011-09-23 00:21:16
I also laughed, for real...
2011-09-23 02:43:11
u mad bro? why?
y so mad? u jelly?

Calm down.


It isn't as simple? How come? Screw a monkey. Screw someone else. Someone else screws someone else. So on. So on. to the point that religious people probs did/do it now, don't get me wrong.

And no I've never ignored the war facts, yes most wars were waged on religions, and that's plain stupid, I agree! So again I don't get where you're coming from.

like hitler, the true meaning behind his madness is well hidden, but it's there for those who research carefully (you'll probs think I'm nuts now, but w/e.)

And like I told our friend mao, it's not God's fault that we suck so much, we ate dat fruit, satan got a grasp on us, we "evolved" and here we are. Plus, when you need to know if you can trust someone, you let them loose... you check out their actions, their behavior.. or else it's all peace and love but... not in reality, do you get what I mean?

And no, flesh is the only thing that's real in Your opinion. Air is no flesh, our spirit and soul is no flesh, problem? Explanation, please? Okay. You don't have to, don't worry.

And he did, remember the Bible? But what did we do? Deny Him, oh well, don't ignore that as well, please.

And uh, sucking your penis, very mature. Yes, very.

You don't exist, prove it to me. Teleport here right now or you don't exist, and if you do, you are BAAAAD (why the hell??? I don't get it lololol), PERIOD!

^ Just kidding.

Your response to ignoring facts "this is funny"

Still don't get it.

And I hope to see you in Heaven as well, sincerely.
2011-09-23 18:05:32
And it's funny how the worst aids cases is in Africa, but it was an "atheist" (as you stated LOL), probably white, who screwed a monkey and got aids.
oh, this is funny.

I stopped reading on "like Hitler" (You probably know nothing about Hitler, just so you know)

Joke, but I wanted to.

By the way, I didn't eat that fuckin fruit.
When I said flesh is the only thing that's real I didn't said everything else that EXIST isn't real, like air, which is a mix of gases. You didn't get anything, so its better to stop here. Good luck with your god and your way of thinking.

If one day you realize you want to do something good to the world, you will stop praising to anything not real and will actually DO something. Insted of not lying, killing, etc because you fear god, do not do it just because it IS bad. Simple. So simple.

Your freedom ends when the freedom of someone else starts. ;)

Post edited 2011-09-23 21:58:31
2011-09-23 21:57:40
Hmm?
I help people, institutions, hobos and I try to be kind to everyone in my life, be they beloved ones or random people, what about you?

Just look at all what you've written here, you've been such a jerk to people here, that's not a good way to "do something good to the world", if you want people to do good to the world, you should start doing so yourself!

GOD BLESS US ALL! :)

p.s: I have a cold, it's God's fault

just kidding
oh wait you being mean is God's fault too

lol sorry had to.
Done here, do not reply.
2011-09-24 01:58:56
"yet there are people dying in agony everyday" what's the point ?They can be in heaven after dying, excuse me but i prefer a shit life now and heaven for eternity, and it isn't even his punishment, god isn't responsible of all the pain of humans.
example : someone slap you, does it mean that god wants you to be slap ?Clearly not.
2011-09-23 12:24:33
Wow, what's the point? You will only understand when it happens to you. That's so easy to say, OH, THEY ARE IN HEAVEN NOW!!!
Probably, with santa claus.

Yes, it mean. Isn't god omnipotent? Isn't god good?
Isn't god the creator of IT ALL? Does that include the bad things? Of course, yes.

Go live your shitty life then, I bet 'god'even said you have to live a shitty life to go to heaven... this is a medieval era rule the church created and write it on Bible (do you think Bible's has fallen from the skies? HAHA pathetic) ...
oh noes

Post edited 2011-09-23 17:22:54
2011-09-23 17:21:25
You're blind to see what i meant.
If god is good, he will do something, it's not because you think something have to act, that god is gonna do sthing, in your opinion if god exist everything has to be fine, no pain no wars etc. but if now he acts and it will be no more war, peace in the world, no disease etc. the whole world would believe in god, so the test on earth will be completly useless.
2011-09-23 17:44:56
hahaha
omg
the test
are we just a fuckin experiment, then?
_you_ are blind

fine? goodbye.
2011-09-23 17:46:28
Why not?
Don't we test everyone in our life all the time?
Or do you just blatantly believe everything and everyone? no?

And the Bible was written through 1600 years with over 40 writers, do your homework.

And yeah, little buddy, if a friend of yours rapes a little girl, or a family members of yours kills someone, is it God's fault? I mean, REAAAAAAAAAALLY?
Please, try to be rational, PLEASE, really?!

If you call me a turd and tell people to "suck your penis" all the time, is it God's fault?

If someone robs a bank, is it God's fault?

Really?

Hi.
2011-09-23 18:08:35
read #260
2011-09-23 18:18:11
you don't even know something about religions that you blame, i have nothing to tell you.
2011-09-23 19:51:14
Then why do you bother to reply?
2011-09-24 04:19:46
that was my last post to tell you i'm gonna reply again...
2011-09-24 12:28:14
ok:PPPPPPPPPPP
2011-09-24 17:53:55
Alan Kardec is the santos' striker.



haha, joking :$
2011-09-21 20:14:13
Why are you judging people?
You seem to be the retarded one, sorry.
2011-09-21 03:52:28
sorry, I haven't seen you comment before.
But I'm not judging people, I just think it's not cool to keep freezing everytime to everyone that JESUS IS THE WAY

It's kinda annoying and we should let people choose their religion decision
2012-02-24 03:01:27
É JESUS!
2012-02-23 23:06:24
more than 90% of brazil populational believe in god
2011-09-20 21:25:13
i'm brzilian and i don't believe
2011-09-20 23:48:16
and you believe in god?
2011-09-21 01:14:11
I believe in a creater of earth yes, but not in the miracle god.
2011-09-21 23:00:28
the creator... reminds me matrix S:|
2012-02-23 23:07:56
that would be the architect.. :S
2012-02-24 18:18:35
same shit :D
2012-02-24 19:58:44
im a brazilian and i dont believe ^^
2011-11-10 20:57:27
all of u can learn somethim from zakir

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2s14T6x5AM
2010-11-09 23:22:40
So the creator wrote quaran, then he let it to lie somewhere and ppl found it and he disappeared? And why he strictly says how ppl should live? Didn't really read the quaran, don't know the story. But Zakir is good speecher.
2011-11-11 00:56:57
I don't understand what are u asking ...

Quran is last word from God (after Zebur,Torah and Injil) given through Jibril (angel Gibrael) to his last prophet Muhammad. That means that every muslim sees Jesus , Moses etc as his prophets.We all love them more than ourselves.

Noone found the Quran , Jibril was talking to Muhammad and he was writing it even though he didn't know how to write cuz he was uneducated and illitirate man! (he was even a shepherd)
At that time people were accepting Allah and they still do as i'm writing. Neither any of words has ever changed in Quran , ever , and it passed 1432 years since then.

Ofcourse there are stricts and orders from God , that's the point of religion.
2011-11-11 01:19:03
I mean, that they wrote it in arabian right? But there are like thousands of languages all over the world. WHY would the God wanted to write it in one language? WHY didn't he tell it to the ppl all over the world? Got my point?
2011-11-11 17:46:44
Holy Quran was revealed in Arabia and it had to be revealed in language of that land and that was the language of the prophet . Like the previous books , they were revealed in Hebrew , in the language of that land.

“Now if We had made it a Quran in a non-Arabic tongue they would surely have said, “Why is it that its verses have not been made clear? Why – a foreign tongue and an Arab?” Say, “For those who accept it, this is a Guidance and medicine for a wholesome life. But as for those who will not believe (Arabs or non-Arabs), in their ears is deafness, and so it remains obscure to them. They are like people who are called to from afar.” (Quran 41:44)

“And thus: We have revealed to you a Quran in Arabic so that you may warn the Foremost of all towns and those who dwell around it, and may warn of the Day of Gathering, which is beyond all doubt. One group will be in the Garden, and one group will be in the Flames.” (Quran 42:7)

You can find Quran in every language translated , so everyone can understand it.
2011-11-11 17:57:27
So the arabian people translated Quaran? And if islam is so peacefull religion, why is that Muslims were killing Christians in the name of Muhammad? In one quote of Quaran he says that the God and Allah are the same and in other he says that Christians are atheistic and Muslims should kill them. Or am I wrong?
2011-11-11 18:18:36
You're totally wrong ... looks like u don't know anything about Islam , about Quran , about Muslims and etc ... you should first try to research about those things I've mentioned and than try to discuss it with someone .

And I'm not talking about religion only , this stands for every topic there is out there . If u wanna discuss something than u need to be educated about it.

About those killings , muslims were not killing christians or jews or any other people. Muslims were killing those who were attacking them , those who were tying to take their lands.

You're thinking about Jihad . Allah saws said :
"Permission to fight is given to those (i.e. believers against disbelievers) who are fighting them (and) because they (believers) have been wronged, and surely Allah is Able to give them (believers) victory."

Those who have been expelled from their homes unjustly only because they said:"Our Lord is Allah." (V.22:39,40).

This is a hugeeeeeeeee topic and I could talk about it for weeks .... I gotta go now , Bosnia is playing Portugal and I'm going out to watch it with friends so take care bro ;)
2011-11-11 18:37:18
Not a very peaceful religion if they were killing... how about god preventing those wars?

Post edited 2011-11-12 15:24:07
2011-11-12 15:20:37
sorry dude , but that was one seriously stupid question on which I won't even bother to give an answer :S

take care and skip me please ;)
2011-11-13 02:06:16
Dude, this is stupid...

You're thinking about Jihad . Allah saws said :
"Permission to fight is given to those (i.e. believers against disbelievers) who are fighting them (and) because they (believers) have been wronged, and surely Allah is Able to give them (believers) victory."


Not my question.
2011-11-13 05:47:41
I won't skip you sorry, you will have to skip me. I can't stand irrationality.

Another follower of Zakir Nair I've found?

Post edited 2011-11-13 06:04:20
2011-11-13 06:03:00
JAPANISE BOY:X:X:X:))
2012-02-23 13:37:00
god is lowskilled
2010-11-10 05:25:25
Science flies people to the moon and Religion flies people into the buildings. Good luck believing.
2012-02-04 23:28:22
heh no ofense I was like and believin and not in him but.. some weeks ago i saw at internet that scientist discoveret how all univers began :D so yeah.. For me like i know history the church was and i think now is the place were your money is stealing :)
2012-02-25 22:43:47
god is a girl , G&C has told you
2010-11-09 13:51:56
sorry mate but i don't understand your comment
2010-11-09 13:55:01
He thought
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJIpK8xURBk
(yeah alex make it link :P)
2010-11-09 15:29:27
U DONT BELIEVE IN GOD ?
2011-09-20 21:51:37
I dont
2011-09-20 22:25:53
o.O because ?
2011-09-20 23:04:57
Do you believe in saci-perere?
2011-09-20 23:50:23
do u believe in passaro papacu da cabeça vermelha ?
2011-09-21 23:30:24
Of course I don't :)
2011-09-21 23:56:33
:B
2011-09-21 23:59:47
sorry , but i believe
2011-11-16 05:02:37
I Full on agree, God is a WOMAN! A hot one too...
2010-11-10 01:51:44
I thought he's a popstar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0JfEhNOg3A&ob=..
2011-09-20 22:42:20
I think it's obvious that there is a god no? And that chineses have bad humour
2010-11-09 13:54:45
No, I dont believe in god because im not supersticious and if you think im a skeptical just be smart. Do you really think God made the Earth and the Universe? No, actually the Universe can have an implosion at anytime without any warning or notice. When you pray to God, he always wins, f.e I pray that I get rich

Answer 1: My prayer was succesful

Answer 2: It was asking for too much

Answer 3: Wait

As you see, God cannot loose, therefore people continue to follow the path of stupidity and superstition...

If God really existed, do you think financial crisis would ever exist? Or global warming? Or any other situation...

Another example:

There are 10 people with cancer. The survival rate is 10%. All of them pray to God to survive and 1 lives and 9 die. Then they say:

I prayed to God and he helped me!

I say you survived according to odds and probablity of success.

As you see, God doesn't exist and everyone who thinks it does isn't thinking straight...
2010-11-09 22:15:13
nonsense
2010-11-10 01:01:06
You shouldn't have said that...Everyone is voicing out his opinion and You are not voicing out your opinion...You're bringing others down! You're an idiot!
2010-11-10 01:53:40
I said it because he's spamming this thread with the same post. He already got answers proving that he ignores them and keep spamming idiot.
2010-11-10 14:01:14
+1, cba to read the rest.
2010-11-10 05:16:59
Lol dude cancer and other staff are a reason to die and think if no one dont died in earth what could happend?
2010-11-11 18:38:26
its ok ,his IQ isn't that high
2011-09-21 00:14:36
dinosaurs never had cancer... they were fine :D
2011-09-21 08:29:41
:D
2011-09-21 20:02:36
absolute random comment on why God doesnt excist.

ask yourself the question? Who made the financial crisis? :D God? or all the rich banks in the world trying to get even richer?

who do you think gave us cancer? God? or all the bullshit we are eating, smoking, drinking, inhaling. It has nothing to do with praying to God to help you, it has something to do with the fucked up choices we make as humans. EVERY shitty day, If the top 10 riches people in the world would spend 10 Percent of their fortune to the 3rd world, they would have solved all the food problems at once. think about that. :D
2011-09-21 08:24:37
Then why doesn't he send the cure for all the diseases, I mean, does god likes to see people suffering and dying? Or then better why doesn't he destroy the vatican and donates all the treasures to solve the food, economical problems we have? Or better he once gave Moses powers to multiply the food and water *LOLED*, I think he can also create food, so why is it so difficult for him? Does god likes to see people starving to death? He is so omnipotent, merciful, perfect bla bla bla, but he does nothing, haha.
2011-09-22 13:08:52
Nope, but it's all our fault, and actually, there have been quite a few miraculous cures around, none of which could be explained by our smart science.

Oh well.
2011-09-23 18:11:54
Well and now you are being sarcastic with science. So god gives us diseases and we have to search for cures? That's for sure some kind of evil challenge. Are we his lab rats?

2011-09-23 19:09:31
Hmm? He gives us diseases?
Aids, how? Screwing monkey
Cancers? Food, what we do, what we smoke?
Alchoolism?
etcetcetcetcetcetcetcetc

Him? his fault?
Ours?

You choose
2011-09-23 21:29:29
He created everything, you have to assume it. Why don't you start by thinking about the first disease? How could it be 'created' or then evolved, or something. I mean, he created everything, why would he also create things that can hurt you? If you wanna talk about the food that gives you cancer, alchoolism, cancers, aids, etc. Why would he makes us suffer in terrenal life and then we are pretended to go to heaven or hell? haha. I think it's not our fault, (talking about your standars that there is a god out there, obviously) it's 'his' fault and he could have done it better. How can a perfect force make unperfect beings? I mean you tick your god as perfect and stuff, wouldn't all have to be perfect?
2011-09-23 22:25:25
I dont believe in that kind of God
2012-02-23 23:10:47
and i wanted to say that i believe in God :]
2010-11-09 13:55:24
keep it!
never lose your faith, my friend
2011-11-15 13:34:51
why! Live life without restrictions!
2012-02-26 03:07:36
shame i even played on gather team with u :P
2012-04-28 20:26:22
no. if you waste your time with religion, it's your own fault.
2010-11-09 13:55:33
ok i respect your opinion but, but i don't think it's wasting of my time,,
2010-11-09 13:57:11
thats just my opinion ;)
too many bad things happened in my life, so i lost every belief in god...
you can do whatever u want with your time^^
2010-11-09 14:00:46
so i am doing :P
and i am sorry about the bad things that happened to you,
2010-11-09 14:03:01
thanks bro ;)
2010-11-09 14:05:58
by: 3rd
#31
rofl what you just made me laugh
2010-11-09 14:34:33
u think this is funny? why?
2010-11-09 14:40:14
Of course it's funny. Every religious person would find this funny because they all believe in the after life. Everyone has problems just because something bad happens it means there is no god? Lol do you think that life is like heaven or something? Sometimes bad things happen and sometimes good things happen, deal with it.
2010-11-09 19:36:18
not even close to all religions believe in afterlife.
2010-11-10 13:44:12
The most spread religions in the world do.
2010-11-10 13:47:24
You are not interely correct. What I think the afterlife means is that you are reborn and get a 2nd chance at life, or something like that. But many religions don't believe in that, they believe that you are taken to heaven or hell, depending on what you have done and who you are and I don't think that's the after life.
2010-11-10 13:53:28
With "after life" I meant heaven and hell maybe I used the wrong word.
2010-11-10 14:09:00
Oh ok. My bad then :)
2010-11-10 15:56:45
in christianity it doesnt depend on what uve done. Its nothing you can earn. Just accept Jesus is the savior and spend your life following Him is enough. And no, that doestn mean you cant do anything anymore. Its just living life the way its meant!
2011-09-21 08:27:39
Not fair...
2011-09-22 10:54:44
Umm.

One of the best posts I've read here, even if you're not religious.


Very good.

This kills most of "their" arguments so far.
2011-09-23 18:12:55
At least we have arguments.

I don't know why you wanted me to read #260, I still have 'my' arguments. What I can say it's that there is no need to bad things happens if there is a perfect, omnipotent, merciful god. Do you actually like worshiping a god who makes us suffer in this 'ilusion' world? I hope some day you get porphyria or gangrene or something, will you be still prayin to god? That stupid you are? Yeah, and then don't come to the 'smart sciense' for a cure, like you said, PRAY, or get some of that miraculous cures you told me, but didn't named.

Post edited 2011-09-23 19:23:22
2011-09-23 19:21:42
Hmm?
Why not? If a medicine makes me feel better, I'll take it and pray to God.
Point? Unknown.

And why does He make us suffer?
Again, we suck so much, it's really our fault.

Just saying.

And we have arguments and counter arguments, you have critics and attacks, blatant ignorance
2011-09-23 21:31:28
So you actually said it, you take what makes you feel better, medicine, afterlife, believing in god for the doubts you have, in fact. You can't live without thinking that there is no afterlife for example, well I can, and it's not so difficult.

And stop saying you have arguments and that I'm the ignorant, you believe in Adam and Eve story, for fuck sake!!!!!!!!
2011-09-23 22:29:08
Uh.. no... because I don't live so I'll have my "afterlife", quit tripping, lol.

And I try to find "rational" solutions for the doubts I have as much as I can!

And I do.

You believe we came from monkeys.

...

...

k
2011-09-24 02:00:51
Seems funny to me that you are writting less than when you started writing.

And I try to find "rational" solutions for the doubts I have as much as I can!


Well you could start with what feelings are, that argument you used that much in earlier posts. Actually you say you are trying to find rational solutions, then the question: 'where do mankind come from?' the answer would be: God the cause, and Adam and Eve the first human beings that were created by him? Is that really rational for you? Dawkins was right, and yeah for people like you we would be still believing that Earth is flat!


And no I do not believe that we came from monkeys, again, you are wrong. We have a commmon ancestor with them. You didn't even read Darwin's book, did you? Ah yeah, but you've read the Bible. Or not, well I don't know.

You sure have to study more, at least read more, not study.
2011-09-24 03:02:26
Hahaha I just read your discussion with this Calintz1, oh man, he is one of the worst believers in here, he is so narrow minded and ignorant

He finds more logical that God created the world and we came from Adam and Eve then evolution, man this is hilarious
2011-09-24 15:41:46
Indeed, he actually believes in Adam and Eve story, I mean come on I can handle some answers but some others are just stupid. And then he tells me that I believe that we came FROM monkeys, really?
I mean he does believe that creationist story of mankind, yeah but how about the 6000 year old Earth they got from their Bible? I don't understand why they keep following the religion that misses and misses so much, and then when they deny some of those 'FACTS' named in their books, they keep calling themselves catolics and christians... pretty much fanatism. I mean wouldn't they have to accept everything said and claimed in the Bible? It's god's word, and denying his word, you were been denying him.
2011-09-24 18:09:39
Yeah exactly
2011-09-24 18:35:30
what about intelligent design? a lot of scientists and evolutionists believe in this.. even Stephen Hawking.
2012-02-24 19:01:57
Where are you getting this information? Hawking doesn't support the intelligent design. His theory excludes the necesity of a deity for the universe to create by itself, and he explains it through his whole thesis. Intelligent design it's what creationists believe in, a universe in harmony, which has been refuted.

Allthough, he does not say that god doesn't exist, which I disagree.

Post edited 2012-02-24 21:29:05
2012-02-24 21:27:26
What? "Everyone has problems just because something bad happens it means there is no god?" Most of the times it's the opposite, something bad happens and the person believes in God to help him, because he has no other place to turn to.
2011-09-24 15:03:28
you think your bad things are caused by God? While its prolly the fault of bad choices other people made, or made by yourself. Have you ever thought about that?

ot. I believe!
2010-11-09 17:34:28
I think that is exactly why he don't believe in religion (he thinks it's because of the bad choices, and God doesn't have anything to do with it)...

I am agnostic btw...
2010-11-09 19:37:25
I agree with amos. You need to accept the bad things happen and still keep faith. I don't know how to explain this but; its a mental process, accept the bad things, it makes you calm and peaceful once you accepted it. Then a world goes open for ya
2011-09-20 22:34:06
Blasphemy!
2011-11-14 21:49:37
by: Gun4s
#7
yes i do
2010-11-09 13:56:28
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#9
No. I have not seen a single shred of evidence to support believing in god, so why would i?
2010-11-09 13:59:27
How come ? Of course there are some "evidences"
If there was no God, you wouldn't be here.
2010-11-09 14:22:43
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#25
Uhm, that is some hypothesis you got there, got anything to back it up? All my courses in bioinformatics say otherwise, so I'd like to see your evidence..
2010-11-09 14:23:41
by: 3rd
#33
Ok tell me what happens after death then
2010-11-09 14:35:06
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#34
I cannot, but then again, neither can you.
2010-11-09 14:35:36
After the death you will go to either heaven or hell. So let's make this clear if you DO believe in GOD you will RiP. But if not you will have to wait for something else.
2010-11-09 14:38:53
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#41
Do you have any evidence to back that hypothesis up?
2010-11-09 14:41:38
Did you ever heard about a book named "The book of Mormon" ?
2010-11-09 14:45:48
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#51
Sure, but in this book there is no evidence, only more hypothesis'.
2010-11-09 14:48:02
Yes there are evidence and answers for all your questions and even more.
If you have a time you can read it
Then you will understand my point.

Post edited 2010-11-09 14:52:22
2010-11-09 14:51:33
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#59
No, there is no evidence. There is nothing that can be observed or tested.
2010-11-09 14:53:04
The "evidence" that i'am trying to tell you is about when god came to the earth and why are you here. Not any thing that you can touch.
2010-11-09 14:56:46
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#67
Ok, so if I tell you the flying spaghetti monster created us all you will believe it, simply because someone wrote it in a book?
2010-11-09 14:57:30
Not just because that.
The reason why i believe in god is also because of a prophet that talks with him.
So basicly he tell you in a meeting everything that you should do and what the things that you shouldn't do
2010-11-09 15:05:53
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#83
Well I believe I best decide what to do and not to do, not some prophet who claims he can talk to a god of who there is no evidence..
2010-11-09 15:14:23
nomad u sound like my filosophy (philosophy?) teacher, but still i think ur right
2010-11-09 16:52:24
what the fuck man who created us then how did world create? go on then think. how could nothing create world?? you should think about this
2010-11-09 19:56:35
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#280
Sure we can take this line of thought, who created god?
2010-11-09 19:59:50
You are acting waaay too arrogant it's like you're saying God needs people to believe in him. It's your choice and it's your future that depends on it
2010-11-10 00:50:02
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#438
Oh okay, so asking who created god is too arrogant? Well isn't that convenient..
2010-11-10 01:43:20
AAHHAHA, Nomad...listen, we both know that God does not exist because Scientifically and Logically speaking, No one can prove otherwise. Now, the people who believe in god are too narrow minded and contradict that idea because they don't want to use the brain cells to answer the question "Does God Exist!" because they know that if they wonder in that direction...They'll go crazy and probably just end up killing themselves.

Im not saying you all religious believers are crazy ignorant people who don't want to try and answer a simple question of "How do you know God Exists and where're the proofs?".
Im just saying that Like me and Nomad here, we are [nomad you'll back me up on this one] simply put people who need a proof to believe that something exists because if everyone started believing what some egocentric person wrote in a book some centuries ago then i'd say if Dan Brown didn't write in the first page of the book the Da Vinci Code that it was a novel...You'd have to believe that all the fictional facts in TAHT book was true and that someone's religion was totally fucked up!

All i wanted to say is...Before you start to argue with us that God Exists why don't you try and answer to yourself How do you know he exists first before trying to make other people think he/she does.

Post edited 2010-11-10 02:07:18
2010-11-10 02:06:04
Rofl best example for a retarded butlicker do you think nomad will give you a prize for agreeing with him about something that would decide about your life? narrow minded ? ROFL I laugh at your ignorance and I'll be laughing when the time comes
2010-11-11 19:09:11
u do believe in extraterrestial life, dont u?

if u do, so I believe that u think that "god" is from another planet.

anyways u cant denny the posibility that god maybe exist, cuz if u ask "who created god", what do u think about how we get here!. big bang theory? come on, u really think that it happened without any intervention?
2010-11-10 02:14:52
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#446
I certainly cannot deny that god exists, as you cannot prove that anything does not exist, but until I see evidence for gods existence I will not believe god exists, it is fairly simple.. Yea I do not think we live in a universe with billions and billions of galaxies for us to be the only life around..

I find the big bang, which is backed up by significant evidence mind you, a lot more likely than a god that has no evidence what so ever..
2010-11-10 02:19:37
I promise u that u will find some answers in 2012 :)
2010-11-10 02:49:34
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2010-11-10 07:32:06
haahahahhaahah. didnt know they had hltv in the jungle
2010-11-10 13:48:28
ahahahhaha, wasn't that going to happen in 2000 too?
2011-09-20 22:25:47
2000 was the y2k thingy... nothing thats gonna destroy the earth.. just the comps :D
2011-09-21 08:34:49
you fail so many times with your (religious) predictions.
2011-09-21 19:30:13
Quran(Islamic holy book) talks about the big bang theory. It talks about how God created the world and the big bang has a lot to do with it. I don't have much knowledge about other religions but as far as Islam is concerned, big bang theory is related to our beliefs.
2010-11-10 15:25:40
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#531
That is fine, and very easy to say now that science has reached the same conclusion, why doesn't the Koran go say something that science HAS NOT discovered yet? Do you see the difference between making predictions, and then claiming when something was discovered that it was in your holy book all the time?
2010-11-10 15:28:13
As i mentioned in my previous post in this thread, there are somethings that are mentioned in the Quran related to science that haven't been proved yet, maybe it is due to the lack of technology at the moment, but it will be proven in the future.
2010-11-10 15:43:54
like what? - I don't disagree with you.. I'm just really curious!
2010-11-11 02:46:54
Like in the Quran it states that, every single disease in this world has a cure. And as of now, as far as i know, there is no cure for HiV... but we Muslims believe that a cure will be found, in the future.
2010-11-11 07:47:17
dude.. its not just a disease that doesnt have cure.. none of the VIRAL pathogens have any :D
2011-09-21 08:37:22
All i know is one of the highly reputed prophet said that Mickey Mouse is evil.

So even though Quran is OK, the prophets are a joke and their preachings are shit

Post edited 2011-09-22 17:30:32
2011-09-22 17:28:25
Retarded post is retarded.
2011-09-22 18:16:29
If you knew anything about the religion or the language you would know this is just some propaganda shit the media makes up to give the religion a bad name. If you had any common sense or a single brain cell, you'd know that every religion has it's own retards and misleading people. Guess you've been living in a cave all this time, eh?
2011-09-22 18:20:58
So u say that FOX news published a false report? Then there should have been a Jihad against FOX news for publishing such false report. But i believe it never happened.

EDIT: Never heard such kool misleading comments from any other religion though.

Post edited 2011-09-22 18:24:46
2011-09-22 18:23:47
HAHAHA Fox news published this? ROFL. Just watch some videos of Jon Stewart on 'The Daily Show'. FOX News is a joke network that is so anti-democratic and against anything related to the middle-east including Islam. SERIOUSLY, get out of your cave. And stop posting nonsense. I'm still laughing at your statement:
"So u say that FOX n
ews published a false report?"

Ignorant snob.
2011-09-22 18:25:59
Allright, how about THE TELEGRAPH?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleea..
2011-09-22 18:29:35
I'm done with this discussion. It's a waste of my time because some people will ALWAYS try to find a flaw in the religion regardless if they are wrong. People will twist our words and make us look wrong but we'll still stand by our beliefs because we know the truth in a simple, untwisted language.

"Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path)."(Surah 2. Al-Baqara, Qur'aan)
2011-09-22 18:34:49
Yep, when u dont have a chance to defend yourself, you run away.

GG.
2011-09-22 18:50:11
Yeah GG. Please remove the Indian flag and save us all the shame, thanks.
2011-09-22 18:56:45
I am not talking based on any hypothesis. I am talking based on facts. So there is no point to be ashamed of. You should be ashamed that Islam has such illetrate people who define the path of your religion.

I was expecting a reply like: Yes some people in Islam are foolish.

But instead you are trying to prove me wrong which u cannot!
2011-09-22 19:02:27
Read my post #1166. Every religion has its very own black sheep's that ruin the image of the religion. Either they're misquoted/misunderstood or just foolish is not that concerns me. I have read the Qur'aan and the Hadith, so all I can say is, this shit is bogus.

And yes, you are ignorant so I prefer not to hold this discussion with you. Calling a scholar a Prophet. Lol. I'm done with ya.
2011-09-22 19:06:01
So u are willing to check the news and see that i posted scholar as Prophet but u were not willing to believe earlier that its a fact and you were fighting with me to prove me wrong?

2nd point: Never heard of such jokes from other religions though. enlighten me please. My point as i posted before is the same: Some people in your religion who control the future of Islam are a joke and you all should realize it at the earliest.

2011-09-22 19:11:31
You shall remove it :P
2011-09-24 03:25:18
the things that are being proved by the scientists nowadays are already mentioned in Quran 1400 years ago..
2011-09-21 09:54:00
still, nothing in specific. sorry, I don't buy it.
2011-09-22 01:27:21
I wrote a text when I was 8 where I stated "Everything can happen", so, I win. I'm God. I know everything. Deal with it.

2012-02-27 14:53:40
Fair enough,

when was the Quran written? I'll just say more than a thousand year ago, even though evidence shows it was way before that.

1. Quran stated that the dead sea in Jordan is the lowest spot on Earth, which was discovered in the 1900s by scientists.

2.Universe expansion, the universe if you do not know is expanding on daily basis, galaxies move in an enormous huge speed away from each other, which is making the universe a bigger place. Stated in the Quran.

3.Scientists agree that the universe can not keep expanding due to energy conservation law stating that matter and energy are constant in the universe, so eventually the universe will stop expanding and will start shrinking again to what it once was. Stated in the Quran.

4.To us, the sun is so far away that you cannot tell it's moving even though it is. Quran clearly states that in a nice way saying "running still" of some sort -.-!

5.Quran states that the higher you go up, the more pressured you get. Just like when diving into the water.

6.Millions of meteors occur in the Earth's atmosphere every day, they all "tick off" and disappear because of the "friction" with the Earth's atmosphere making the sky to look like a protecting roof. Stated in the Quran.

7.You can't merge two seas together, some kind of "line" forms in the middle of 'em making them clearly separate, this is due a lot of stuff ranging from temperature to depth etc.. Stated in the Quran.

8.Dispersal of seeds come from the wind, this was mention in the Quran.

9."Day" was mentioned 365 times in the Quran.

10."Month" was mentioned 12 times in the Quran.

A lot of other stuff that I really can't bother translating or looking for.. But that what makes me believe that God does exist.

Edit: I did not check for any spellings/typos, if you do find any keep 'em to yourself.

Post edited 2011-09-21 03:50:59
2011-09-21 03:50:11
Very well spoken. Now, what to u want to be when you blow up ?
2011-09-21 18:57:48
Nvm, too harsh for you haha.

Post edited 2011-09-21 20:17:47
2011-09-21 20:17:25
You do actually belive in this crap ?
2011-09-22 01:38:23
Yes, there's no way someone would know all of these that I just posted more than a thousand years ago. It only makes sense to believe in God after reading 'em.
2011-09-22 01:51:21
I dont know if I dont understand this. But do you say you belive in Jesus ?
2011-09-22 02:09:05
Yes. Although Muslim's belief in Jesus is a bit different than Christianity.

For instance, we don't believe he's God's son, we believe he's a normal messenger/prophet.
2011-09-22 02:24:18
I guess you know how we belive in it, so I dont need to tell you. How do you belive in God ? the Quran is very brutal imo :D
2011-09-22 02:36:50
Lol hell no. What you see in the media and news is totally false man. We're forced to actually be nice to people *sigh* :P, only time you can kill is self defence and that is a normal human instinct lol. Also stated in all other religions so ye..

Plus, Jihad is totally different than what you think, Jihad is not "GO AND BOMB YO SELF MAN", Jihad is defending your country/nearby Muslim country and even then you're forbidden to kill civilians or women/children.
2011-09-22 10:34:46
Sounds normal when you say it that way. I dont know if this is true, but I've heard that, if a married woman gets rapped, then she is the one who gets killed :D? And Al Queda, what has it to do with slef deffence :D?
2011-09-22 15:46:34
HAHAHAHA :D Imagine that lol. If a woman gets raped then she's the victim man.. Nothing happens to her lol.

Al Qa'eda man, it's like judging Christianity based on those pedophile priests that you see in the news that engage in sexual encounters with young boys/girls.. Do you go ahead and judge all the Christians because of this? Of course not.

A lot of the KKK movement clan was Christians, they were racist and extremists, do you judge all of Christians to be like that? Of course not.

Don't judge Al-Qa'eda based on religion, they are retarded people with serious problems. Even if they're Muslims, Islam is against violence.

Post edited 2011-09-22 16:17:17
2011-09-22 16:16:17
Thanks for clearing that up for me about al Queda :D I dont know that's just something I've heard when we have religion at school ( That says something about us aight? ). Do you belive that God made the Univers and planets and everything ? And there's a life after this 1 in heaven ?
2011-09-22 17:26:19
the truth is that he is god's step son. i mean let's think out of the box for a while. maria was god's wife, she also was married with joseph. so what the odds of having jesus with god vs having him with joseph? i definitely go for joseph
2011-09-22 04:43:38
Lol, like I said. In Islam it's forbidden to say that God has a son, he does not breed nor have any descendants. Neither Joseph or Jesus are his sons according to what I believe in.
2011-09-22 10:30:40
And that proofs the existance of god?
2011-09-22 09:30:09
How would you suggest the "person" who wrote it knew all of these stuff back in days where they didn't have any science to discover 'em?
2011-09-22 10:32:03
Again the question... weak 'proofs'

Post edited 2011-09-22 10:36:30
2011-09-22 10:35:59
Explain my question then.

It's impossible to prove God exist but by his writings, unless you have any other way I suggest you get some sense mate.

Prove to me that the substance agdfsgtewgds does not exist.

Same reason that you just used.
2011-09-22 10:48:37
Can you? :P

I don't have to prove anything, you are the one saying that god does exist man, then show me some concrete evidence, not those science 'predictions', that make this situation even more confusing.

And didn't get what you are trying to say with the substance thing.
2011-09-22 11:12:03
You can't prove whether he exists or not but by those discoveries I posted dude.

And I don't have to prove anything neither, I don't care whether you believe or not honestly since you're asking weird questions lol.

People believe in God by these stuff.

I bet my life you haven't even read the Quran, you're just in this for the sake of argument.
2011-09-22 11:17:36
That's the funny part, believing in god by those stuff. Haha. So that's faith, something I will never understand.

And no my questions were not weird, I was just asking why something you can't explain makes you believe in god? I mean you might be believing anything else if you were born elsewhere...
2011-09-22 11:33:56
That's how arrogant you are.

- You assume I was born here, when in fact I was not.

- You deny the existence of God when you haven't read or explored the truth behind a certain religion, in my case it's Islam.

- Again, assuming that I believe in Islam because of where I was "born" or what my parents believe in is utterly stupid, unlike you I actually did study religions and I chose this one.
2011-09-22 11:52:07
Yes, sorry if I was arrogant, still I don't know what can I find, besides a lot of confusing words, in a book of any religion, is there any need to believe in a god or follow a religion? I don't see it necessary.

Good for you that you studied religions and chosed one, that's what all people should do, and you well know that most of the believers don't do that. Still don't think you have studied them all, so how do you know which one is the 'correct' one? That's my point, there are way tooooooo many religions, and again, don't think it is necessary to follow any of them.

So basically, what I can draw from all this conversation is that you believe in god because there are things that you (and many other people, including me) can't understand, and you simply award it to a magical form, that you call 'god',
like medieval times! haha joke. Anyways, if this helps you to live better or something, good luck, because I will never understand what is the necessity to believe in all this.
2011-09-22 12:15:04
You pick the one who makes most sens to you.
2011-09-22 17:49:47
That's what I see...
2011-09-22 23:09:34
Can you tell me in each chapter and line that is? I bet it's some vague words that has nothing to do with Big Bang but you people interpret it in that way.
2011-09-24 18:09:00
http://www.harunyahya.com/articles/09reason01.php


P.S. I'm done with this topic. To everyone his own. If he wants to know more about the religion he should just read the religious scriptures himself and decide for himself.
2011-09-24 18:22:15
Nomad, that's good. not 'cause you're admin or whatever, but at least you said "I certainly cannot deny"

That proves you're not as arrogant and ignorant as other people here, and you are open to things that you don't know about yet, that's good, man, that's good.

Congratulations.
2011-09-23 18:22:16
people created god

this was the logic

dude 1
"we are better than the animals, and the plants and the rocks"

dude 2
"oshit, dont you think thats too much? people might not believe it."

dude 1
"youre right, lets create something thats higher than us so we dont feel so guilty"

dude 2
"awesome idea! that way no one can call us aarogant"

dude 1
"and we'll call him god, make him all powerful and impossible to disprove"

dude 2
"sweet"

dude 1
"dude"
2011-09-21 02:31:14
I never thought that hltv was so funny :D
2012-02-23 23:24:05
no one, it's crazy for humans, not for god, if he can make anything, he can also exist for eternity.
2011-09-23 12:28:34
wow thats low bro :D
2012-02-23 23:16:14
ever heard of the big bang theory?
2010-11-10 01:15:33
Yeah its a nice show ;D
2010-11-11 06:43:56
Bazinga :D
2011-09-22 17:50:40
Evidence evidence evidence

aall the evidence you know about was human-created and how can you know that they're not toying with you?

we're humans after all

I believe in God because I WANT to, because I FEEL Him, it's MY belief

Have faith, man, if something is going wrong in your life and everything seems to go wrong as well, you'll need faith. Just faith, pure, clean faith.

Think on what I said.
2011-09-23 18:20:07
by: vzu
#107
imo there is no GOD ... but i believe there's some "SUPER" power from which im scared of when i do a bad thing in my life !!

Perhaps you can call it GOD :)
2010-11-09 16:05:06
conscience maybe???
2010-11-09 19:42:39
Conscious and fears of bad things that he did are going to reflect to him in other way are two different things.
2010-11-09 21:02:52
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscience">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscience</a>


conscious = svestan, svjestan, pri svesti, pri svijesti


conscience = savest, savjest

Post edited 2010-11-09 22:43:37
2010-11-09 22:41:16
Yeah, that's what I was thinking of... Just made a mistake in typing. Anyway, we're thinking on the same thing :)
2010-11-09 23:18:24
by: vzu
#455
i still have not done any bad thing in my life :p
it is that "Super" power which holds me back :)


FOR ALL:
if u think practical you will understand that no such thing in this world is without a reason !
I havent seen god n i dont believe in prophets or saints !!
but yeah they are here to unite us and give us good teachings n stuff like that !!
so lets not fight and keep peace in here
:)




2010-11-10 05:11:46
Yeah, I agree with you :)
2010-11-10 20:01:15
by: vzu
#637
you are a smart boy :)
2010-11-11 06:32:46
Nah, just religiously related xD
2010-11-11 12:51:13
+1

good words!
2011-09-23 21:33:38
thank you
2011-11-10 19:00:25
So you only do good things because you are afraid, not because you are a good person?

Pathetic.
2012-02-27 15:01:47
Did u get what i really wanted to convey?
What if i would have not been afraid , I would have been a bad person !
It's just one thing.Everything counts..the way you are baught up,your culture,moral's,values,teachings,etc

2012-06-05 20:27:51
by: 3rd
#248
What's your religion? just curious
2010-11-09 19:27:44
Mormon
2010-11-09 23:39:01
You're not really Swede, are you?
2011-09-20 22:47:40
thought the same here :) "AHUIEAHIUEHUIAEHUIA"
2011-09-21 02:07:09
I'm feel sorry for you.
2011-09-20 20:50:51
There is people that say they talk with animals, others say they saw bigfoot, others say they are vampires... You wouldn't believe any of those people, why you believe in a "prophet" that claims he speaks with God and tell you what you are suppose to do?
2011-09-20 21:37:27
"flying spaghetti monster"
Made my day XDDDD
2010-11-10 20:25:58
ahhhhhh spaghetti monsterss, not again !!!
2011-10-15 01:10:49
spaghetti monster <3 I hoped that they'd start informing about it in american schools!
2012-02-24 13:37:42
HAHA i lold so fking hard!
2012-04-28 20:34:45
you want to observe god and test him :) ?
2011-09-21 00:16:41
I do!
2011-09-24 18:17:04
http://www.miraclesofislam.com/indomosque1.jpeg

Coincidence ?
2011-09-23 12:29:10
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#1207
No, god exists, you convinced me.. :)
2011-09-23 12:31:11
lol i know this isn't an argument and i can't convince anybody with that, but man, how could it happen ?Any explication ?
2011-09-23 13:03:01
Coincidences do not exist. Everything happens for a reason, it's all a cause and effect thing. You could read a bit about it, if you are interested.

Post edited 2011-09-24 03:32:13
2011-09-24 03:30:29
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gm6JYFdnD8&feature=related DUMB DUMB DUMB DUMB! ;p
2010-11-09 17:56:53
hahah :D the best:P
2010-11-09 18:26:54
you respawn
2010-11-09 14:55:58
hahaha:D
2010-11-09 15:35:30
WIN!
2010-11-10 10:57:45
u made my day!
2012-02-23 23:27:36
oh snap :D
2012-04-28 20:47:14
nothing, you doesen't exist
2011-09-21 08:50:02
Overheard two colleagues talking the other day where one talked about religion being magic and the other one just answered, "Why do you need magic when you got C++?"

Will admit it made me giggle ;b
2010-11-09 14:36:30
C++ is a joke indeed :p :D
2010-11-10 10:46:27
plus there are some many evidences..
for example if take Earth as an example
our earth is in ideal distance from Sun,, if we were a bit closer to the sun we would die of heat
if we were a bit further we would die because of cold
if gravity acceleration was a bit higher than it is (9,81m/s-2) some animals like elephant wouldn't be able to move
and there are much more evidences like this i gave this ones just as examples

do u believe that all this is just random?
me not..
2010-11-09 14:39:00
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#44
That is true, but you misunderstand the reason why it is true.

If the earth was a bit closer we would indeed die from the heat, meaning we wouldn't be here to observe it, the same with further away and the cold.. All animals on earth have evolved around the environment that exists, therefore we all look like a perfect match for the earth, but that is not because of god, that is because of that is how the earth is.

If we had more gravity obviously no animals that couldn't support themselves would have evolved. Think about it for a second and see how your post isn't evidence for god, but rather evidence for evolution. :)
2010-11-09 14:43:37
i think we both have our own truth and simply you won't convicne me that you have truth and neither will I. I don't think that it's part of Evolution or Natural process.. Also scientists have said that there is really really small propability for all these facts to be random. I think we can end here our discussion because we wouldn't find some kind of agreement :P but thanks for your posts anyway
2010-11-09 14:52:36
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#62
Well evolution is all around us, always at work, it is quite beautiful if you observe how it works, and what effects it has, try reading "The Greatest Show on Earth" by Richard Dawkins..
2010-11-09 14:54:42
Thank you nomad for that title, have you also watched this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_1Gpt6dKFo "root of all evil" by Oxford Professor Richard Dawkins too.

It's very educational on my part and in my opinion, one of the most impactful message he said is that religious people believe in god and heaven because they are afraid of not fulfilling what they need to do here on earth and hoping for a better life in the "afterlife". I think that the people who organized the bible knows exactly that.

He also said that "We are going to die, and that makes us the lucky ones. Most people are never going to die because they are never going to be born. The potential people who could have been here in my place but who will in fact never see the light of day outnumber the sand grains of Arabia. Certainly those unborn ghosts include greater poets than Keats, scientists greater than Newton. We know this because the set of possible people allowed by our DNA so massively exceeds the set of actual people. In the teeth of these stupefying odds it is you and I, in our ordinariness, that are here"

We should make the most of our time here on earth because this is the only lifetime we have. In my opinion there is no heaven nor hell, it exists only in the minds of people. Man made god/devil, man made heaven/hell. God is made by people for people to have hope, but unfortunately hoping for nothing.

My religion is Roman Catholic, because it's my parents' religion, but i am thinking outside the box, thinking about evolution, our earth, the universe and how it works. I also haven't seen any proof/evidence that a god exists. So i can honestly say that i still don't believe.

2010-11-10 02:42:49
I'd like to add to your comment that most (don't know em all that well) religions and gods are based on fear.

Just look at the past. Everything "new" was a threat to the church and they killed people for it. And yes the followers of the church would at those times gladly throw stones, few were those who would question the churches actions. The argument of the "mass" always wins.

When some poor guy would come around and try to prove the sun doesn't revolve around the earth, but the other way around, he would be condemned by whole societies. After his theory is proven, the churches head gets cut off (by the church itself) and a new "enlightened" one grows back.

It has been like this since the very start of mankind. Everything that you couldn't explain was "the work of God". And this sticks around till this day. I mean just look at what the press is calling Higgs boson (the particle LHC is trying to find ) - "the Gods particle"

A few months back I even heard some scientists that are researching dark matter and dark energy (23% and 74% of the total mass-energy of the universe) say that it may as well be "God" since they have no idea what it is, and it accounts for such a high percentage of all the mass-energy in the universe.
And now that will be true until someone discovers what it actually is in the future.
So even these scientists are sometimes so egoistic to admit they don't know everything.

We shouldn't fear the unknown, we should explore it. Always question yourself and others (THO THERE'S A RIGHT TIME AND PLACE FOR EVERYTHING e.g. don't question a surgeon while he is operating ^^). These days you have the internet and you can learn a lot about everything easily. :)

Post edited 2010-11-10 12:02:37
2010-11-10 12:01:23
don't most of parents "rule" their children by fear?

eh I dunno that thought just occured in my head, but it's something for you to think about, I'm not saying it's right, I'm against it. Okay?
2011-09-24 02:02:26
http://youtu.be/-2g_tvqEFgM
2011-09-20 21:24:44
i belive that every creature, human was made not by god,it was made by bacteria, that made everthing that could live in our curcumstances
2010-11-09 15:10:31
Well , there are milions of galactics , billions of planets in those galactics.There had to be ideal terms for life somewhere , don't you think so?
2010-11-09 16:17:06
i wasn't saying about other planets i was saying just about our Earth and that's it

i have never said that there can't be any other solar system with another planet where life can be found and i didn't wanted to discuss about it.. i just wanted to use this as argument :]
2010-11-09 17:13:38
fail
2010-11-10 00:46:41
ups

Post edited 2010-11-10 10:48:19
2010-11-10 10:47:47
try to understand the theory of evolution and u will understand how ppl come to live without god.
god is used in about 90% of every religion to domainate over the ppl. and some how are "randomly elected" can use his power to help(make ppl fear) them.
2010-11-09 14:25:53
That's just like what i said.
God made you and before that you didn't had a real body because you were a spirit. Then when God came to the earth he Sacrificed for all of us so we could come to the earth. I don't know if you understand but w.e lol
2010-11-09 14:30:22
+1

2010-11-09 14:35:01
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#35
Well you say all this, but you have no evidence to back it up, so do you understand why it might be a little hard to believe?
2010-11-09 14:36:10
religion is a control,it has began since ancient Aztec and Egypt,and probably far far away,I've been searching for this kind of questions for a long time.

for example,how many big religions do we have,4 i think,and many many others,with single gods and multiple gods like in Egypt,so how can we say that OUR religion is the truth,and all others religion are false,also the other ppl may ask the same question,nonsense for me actually

how many wars we had in the name of "God","Allah" or someone else?does their creator really wants to deep in blood all those nations?i doubt that...

the religion was the main mechanism of ppl control,ppl was scary of their gods,even if they died from the Priest and etc,NOT cause of their Gods,just only because they did something wrong,and someone who was much powerful wanted to clean this bug from his way,simle I think

also it is hard to belive in something supernatural,in something we cannot touch,feel or see,where is the proofs?ancient books?come on,that's just a national folklore,also we know that history could be as was changed not once,there are many books that describes one big fact by their own different ways,so we may speak about one big EVENT in different ways and colors

i'd rather belive in Matrix theory (that we are machine slaves) that in God

P.S Though we are really machine slaves,cause we're using them in our life all the day long,water,electricity,foods,and even now we're sitting here and watching into machine,writing up into the virtual world,one thing i think about "progress and evolution > religion"
2010-11-09 15:28:08
nomad, there are actually some books made by scientist that were Atheists, but when they started to investigate the bible and tried to find evidence that it couldnt be true, they only found evidence that it is true. But there are still a lot of things unanswered and every man or women on earth should investigate it for him or herself. You cant force faith onto another person, neither you can force disbelieve onto another.

I can only say, investigate this subject without your bio-idontknow the name anymore :D, but try to find evidence sees this subject from another point of view.

<3

Post edited 2010-11-09 17:40:23
2010-11-09 17:38:41
I would love you to put one title of such a book.
2010-11-09 21:59:49
examples please :)
2010-11-10 00:47:27
And there are some books that state there are walking and talking wolves that can dress into other people to fool you into becoming their dinner.

Scientists have tried to disprove it for years but they've all gone missing.
2010-11-10 12:38:55
i understand what u said. but who is god ? and what is he ? is he a he ? or he a she ? if god can create like u said then he has to be something real that u can touch. because only if u havent got something u cant create something u understand what i mean ?
I have never seen this lets say creatur. and as long as i havnet seen or touched him i wont belivie in him. And as i said god is used to make the ppl to fear and not speak up against something or in other words to control them in many ways.
so is god some good if ppl use him to take over others ?
this u should ask yourself before beliving in someone who brought much pain and death on earth.
2010-11-09 14:36:46
Yes sir i do understand what you said but again
God is up there watching all of the things that you do.
Hes just your big daddy. Sometimes he bless you on times that you are in some problems like if you are sick then the next day you will be good to go.
I'am not saying that GOD is here in the earth living in some home. What i am saying is that hes just a spirit and you can only see him maybe when you are dead.
2010-11-09 14:42:07
so u mean that god wants other ppl to get killed in his name ?
and IF god is everyones dad like u said why should he allow others to kill his sons ?
2010-11-09 14:48:11
Because thats your DECISION.
You can't stop and tell GOD to do something.
Well i believe in GOD and in one Prophet.
2010-11-09 15:03:46
why doesnt got by himself do something ?
he likes seeing ppl(his sons) dying ?
2010-11-09 15:05:47
why god is a he?
2010-11-09 14:55:21
That's a good question but again i can't really tell you guys that its a HE not a SHE.
If you don't believe then it's ok i understand.
2010-11-09 15:00:46
so you believe that "God" is a he?
2010-11-09 15:18:28
yep
2010-11-09 15:33:00
you belive that adam and eve were the first humans?
2010-11-09 15:40:10
who brough death and pain on Earth? i though that the worst crimes and violence again humans was nobody else than other human

and do you understand word believe?
if you believe in something it means you are sure it exist or it is possible.. If god came to the Earth it's obvious that everyone would believe in him.. that's why god is bit of a mystery too
And who is god? i don't know. but i can recommend one book for you It was written by William Paul Young and it's called The Shack
(milions of prints were sold by today ) it's pretty good book
2010-11-09 14:46:57
God came to the earth
That's why you are here.
I know its hard to understand and i understand your point but yea and i also i read a book called "The book of Mormon" On that book you will possible find everything and every single question that you have.
Because its a bit hard to tell you if you don't really trust :D
2010-11-09 14:50:25
hahahahahahaha
you put a smile on my face.
2010-11-09 14:53:57
...
2010-11-09 14:58:00
Hahaha yeah, first of all I thought that he was trolling but this kid is dead serious :D
2010-11-09 16:28:04
Ah yes the "Book of Mormon" one of the siliest dogmas ever constructed. How about that magical underweare? What is that all about?!
2010-11-09 15:07:06
by: Mjew
#80
Obviously you americans get brainwashed all the time. Wake up, there is no GOD.

Post edited 2010-11-09 15:09:40
2010-11-09 15:09:02
Believe or not.. yes there is a god
2010-11-09 15:19:20
by: Mjew
#87
I don't believe in a 2000 year old fairy tale book
2010-11-09 15:26:57
Ok and i believe so what?
2010-11-09 15:33:32
Go to the psychiatrist kid, please...
2011-09-22 07:15:36
Grow up kid please
2011-09-22 15:31:27
yeah, and you are a... mormon? hahaha please
2011-09-22 23:07:20
you rather believe that the world evolved from a single slimey cell, nice bro
2010-11-09 17:42:59
Several, actually ;D
2010-11-09 18:26:49
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#342
No need for belief, there is plenty of evidence.. :)
2010-11-09 22:00:58
oh so you don't want to believe that cos its gross :O
Yea I guess the slimy cell part is really disgusting, I guess I'll make up a fictional character who looks like a "normal" human and is great and all that.

Post edited 2010-11-10 12:58:45
2010-11-10 12:58:13
wow stop acting like a retard.
you can't judge something that you don't know nor ever readen it.

Listen'. 2000 years ago there were many ppl who didn't know how to write/read, so they had to ask someone else to do it for them, by telling them the history.

So, these guys could've written different things from what jesus' apostles told them.

By the way, the catholic church have done a lot of bullshit in the past, that's why I don't like to go to the church.
I'm catholic because I believe in Christ, nothing else.
I practice the spiritism of allan kardec.
2010-11-09 18:18:46
I've read it and I share his opinion on it.
2010-11-09 22:01:14
God=time+space continuum.
2010-11-10 03:24:10
well i read much about lets say god and religion. i guess the best one is FAUST. it talks about many topics. i will search about ur book.
2010-11-09 14:52:08
I read FAUST
It's basicly the same as the book that i told you.
Yea sure you can search it up its a really good book just like FAUST
2010-11-09 14:54:50
"this u should ask yourself before believing in someone who brought much pain and death on earth." what do you mean by that?
2011-09-20 20:40:40
christs killed many ppl in the name of good. just one example :)
2011-09-20 21:00:59
How is it gods fault for peoples actions? Your example is like saying another man killed someone in your name. Is it your fault the person is dead than? So the only way its not your fault would be if you didn't exist which you do. So how can you blame someone for other peoples actions?
2011-09-20 21:05:19
I believe there is some magical power but God.. I don't know.. Who is that guy?:D
2010-11-09 14:46:51
+1
Don't you infidels know that before god came along we had to fly around trees and collect wood for night elves.

Post edited 2010-11-10 12:43:17
2010-11-10 12:43:05
man for me that sounds so stupid some weeks ago i found some news that scientists almost discovered invention wich would show you how it all began :) As i know history Jezus was living on earth but he was a human simple worker witch deep filosofy thodes :/
2012-02-25 22:48:27
It's funny how i saw the thread's title and before i actually looked at the comments i thought "Nomad is going to raid this thread.."

Last time a thread like this was made you called some people ignorant (Including myself).

I do believe in god, the only thing i don't believe is that theory of Eve & Adam (that's fucking bullshit)
2010-11-09 19:14:42
must be cos they had 2 sons and then what

PS. every priest will tell you that is just a symbolic story.

Post edited 2010-11-10 13:31:32
2010-11-10 13:30:43
what about Noah's ark?
2011-09-22 23:13:08
by: 3rd
#390
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2s14T6x5AM
more than enough evidence credits to solid snake for the video
2010-11-09 23:33:52
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#397
That guy is an idiot, sorry to say, his points make no sense.. If you write enough non-sense in your books you are sure to predict something correctly, and especially if the ones reading the book are trying their best to make what they read match some random scientific facts..

How about the Koran makes some predictions and offer some solutions to something scientists have not found yet? Just one, then we test it, and then I will be far more convinced, but is your doctor doing this? Nope.. Why doesn't the Koran go and predict if the Higgs Boson exists? Why doesn't the Koran explain where all the anti-matter of the universe has gone?
2010-11-09 23:40:24
by: 3rd
#429
The holy book in this case the Koran is 1400 years old how comes most of its sayings were discovered recently by scientist? How comes there are 1.5 billion of muslims do you think they are all idiots? Are all these facts true by coincidence? I can tell you another one for example did you know that a mosquito is actually two insects not one? with one controlling the brain during the night this was just discovered recently. Did you know that a fly has too wings one containing a poison and another one containing that poison's antidote? All this was mentionned in the Koran. You can't expect God to come and give you obvious advice.
2010-11-10 01:12:41
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#439
if there are 1.5 billion followers there are 4.5 that are not following it, do you think they are all idiots?!

Have the Koran make some real predictions, not merely act upon what science discovers, then we can talk.
2010-11-10 01:44:15
Read it for yourself and you will find out, believe me, it's not wasting time, especially nt for u, you're confused ;)
2010-11-10 11:19:49
by: 3rd
#504
Except that the Koran existed for 1400 years it hasn't been written just yesterday and there are many predictions in it that didn't happen yet. There is less than 2b non believers in the world, the rest is follow a religion f.e 1.5b Islam, 2.2b Christians
2010-11-10 13:58:40
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#511
So lets hear some of those predictions please, why not use them now to make things better for human kind instead of waiting for slow ass science to discover it?
2010-11-10 14:05:07
+1
2011-09-20 21:45:39
:PPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
2011-09-22 07:17:20
Thank you i'am an idiot
2010-11-10 14:23:28
Evidence of God? Evidence of God, is you.
2010-11-10 21:28:58
+1
2011-09-20 23:48:48
http://www.totalizm.pl/god_proof.htm
have fun :] it's really interesting.
2011-09-21 14:51:25
by: alex! - HLTV.org
#10
I do believe in god, but i dont pray or go to church..

But i've done the whole confirmation thing...

Post edited 2010-11-09 14:01:04
2010-11-09 14:00:25
I've done the exact opposite. Went to church and demanded the act of apostasy.
2010-11-09 15:05:07
I want to do the same thing as you. Church is a f*cking institution in Poland.
2010-11-09 18:10:59
Oh yes. Sometimes it makes my stomach hurt how hypocritical and power grabbing they are. Religion is one thing but catholic church in our country is a whole new topic to disscuss.
2010-11-09 18:15:27
It's sad that Church have so many influences in our government. If there was no money for Church there would be more money for people who truly need it for good and deserving life and Poland would be a better place... but it won't change in near future.
2010-11-09 18:27:48
same here.
I believe in god but I don't pray so often and I don't like to go to the church.
2010-11-09 18:06:17
IDK really

sometimes ye, sometimes nop.
2010-11-09 14:00:26
by: pfx
#13
Yes!
2010-11-09 14:01:57
by: KE.
#15
ya.
2010-11-09 14:04:57
I am god
2010-11-09 14:07:45
that wasn't funny you moron
and not just because i believe in God .. :D
2010-11-09 14:08:46
ok...
2010-11-09 14:09:07
If you can't handle the answers why do you bother asking?
2010-11-09 15:03:32
i have just said it is not funny and not because of i am cristian but i wouldn't laugh at it even if i didn't believe in God.. my opinion is that it isn't funny and that's all
but in fact i expected somebody to be this funny
2010-11-09 15:06:33
Then you don't have to call him a moron, do you?!
2010-11-09 15:08:12
no ok you are right that was my fault
2010-11-09 15:09:41
okay, if n! wins against navi tonight, i accept u as god :D
just kiddin...
2010-11-09 14:09:39
I believe in God, his name is NEO!
2010-11-09 14:10:53
haha, +1
2010-11-09 17:43:19
Not at all.
2010-11-09 14:19:41
God is puppet master and we are his puppets.
no i don't believe anymore ~-_-~
2010-11-09 14:20:41
No, im with sience, theres no evidence and I have to see, to believe.
2010-11-09 14:24:21
If you saw it you wouldn't have to believe.
2010-11-09 18:13:01
But if that happens, i will believe.
2010-11-09 21:48:46
then you will know...
2010-11-11 07:39:19
http://www.miraclesofislam.com/indonesia.shtml

believe this ? :D
2011-09-24 03:08:01
I believe in DaveT...


God = Biggest con known to man.
2010-11-09 14:27:39
I don't believe in god
2010-11-09 14:43:49
I believe in GOD but i'm not with religion. It´s A WASTE OF TIME!
Think... BIG BANG... PLANETS... SUN (stars)...
But, who the hell created GOD??
2010-11-09 14:44:38
No
2010-11-09 14:46:22
there is no god cuz I am not handsome and rich =DD
2010-11-09 14:58:16
Of course there is no god.
2010-11-09 15:01:27
Proof?
2012-02-26 12:55:19
Proof that he exist?

Don't tell me the Bible or miracles
For me the Bible it's like Alice in Wonderland.
2012-06-05 21:29:29
When I called evidence, I didn't referred to the fact that God exists. I referred to the fact that no one knows if God exists.
2012-06-05 21:57:22
God is my favorite fictional creature! :D


http://www.google.lt/images?q=fuck%20off%20jesus&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=lt&tab=wi&biw=1280&bih=808

Post edited 2010-11-09 15:26:47
2010-11-09 15:17:52
Religion was a nice trick to keep people in order hundreds and hundreds of years ago but we've outgrown that particular method now.

It's a shame that in the 21st century people still hold 2,000 year old beliefs that are logically/scientifically impossible, it halts the progress of the human race.

Fuck religion.
2010-11-09 15:30:35
who says its impossible? The people that believe in a tale called the BIG BANG or Evolution Theory? thats what i call IMPOSSIBLE
2010-11-09 17:45:29
It's just, the big bang and the theory of evolution is backed up by science. Everything we have ever found is telling us, that the big bang theory and the theory of evolution is correct. If you are so keen to neglect science like that, you shouldn't be on a computer, you shouldn't be driving a car, or a bicycle for that matter.

But I'm curious, why is it you would rather believe in something you have not experienced yourself? Can you honestly tell me, with a straight face, if God has ever interacted in your life?
2010-11-09 18:34:13
it's not the matter if i believe in God..the matter is God to believe in me !
2010-11-09 15:34:38
God is nothing more than a Placebo. Believe in what you want, just remember before coming into a "god belief" discussion, make sure you have something to back up your thoughts.
2010-11-09 15:36:42
by: unbE
#99
there is no god.
2010-11-09 15:46:32
No way this can be discussed.... gah!
NO i believe in aliens.
2010-11-09 15:49:03
hahah
2010-11-09 16:03:36
At least more credible...
2011-09-22 09:31:41
there is no god? kill ur self dude
i truly believe ALL-LLAH

*and please dont delete my post!=))
2010-11-09 15:55:05
+1000
2010-11-09 16:18:49
nice argument....
2010-11-09 16:21:53
lol +1
2011-09-20 23:17:19
+1000000000
2010-11-09 19:04:39
that post right there just shows how religion, especially islam is pure brain-washing and it makes people unable to see the reality.

what is it with islamic people wanting people to die if they don't believe in allah?
2010-11-10 22:48:23
If someone is dumb , it doesn't mean that religion made him dumb.
2011-09-20 23:04:58
-1 . retard.
2011-09-21 00:27:21
That's sadly how Islam is. They believe that their religion is the only true one, and all the others are wrong. Simple as that.
2011-09-24 02:17:16
So do many christians..
2012-02-25 10:44:55
Nope, that's not the "official" view of Christianity.
2012-02-25 18:21:02
Please read again. So do MANY christians
2012-02-29 00:21:55
kill yoself, but not the others =) retarded muslims
2011-09-21 08:52:25
brainwashed albanians
2012-02-26 03:13:36
Certainly no one have the proof of GOD's existence but there are certain things that science cannot explain and we start thinking about GOD's existence there !!
2010-11-09 16:06:03
There's more than a lot science can't explain today nor in future. ;)
2010-11-09 16:19:34
It doesn't necessarily means that god exist :), neither the opposite
2010-11-09 16:30:37
yeah!! thats what i m trying to say e.g. the ancient human used fear from lightening and used to think that as GOD's act because he didn't know anything about the lightening in the sky !!

BUT now everyone knows that its just not related to the GOD
2010-11-09 16:31:48
So what do you know about lightning, how does lightning appear? Now, of course everyone can come up with their theory, and out of all, 1 get famous, and get the cash cuz people believe in that.

Post edited 2010-11-09 16:51:17
2010-11-09 16:50:19
Haha, you don't really understand the concept of proof, do you? Then again, being religious, I wouldn't expect you to.
2010-11-09 17:12:16
arguing with religious people it's no racional :)
2010-11-09 17:43:58
Bla bla, you still didn't understand what makes lightning appear?
2010-11-09 18:57:17
you know, lightning consist of the very same thing powering your computer.

electricity.

damn, we must be gods, cause we can create what god create!
2010-11-10 22:53:55
LOL! No I don't know you guys are controling the lightning by using electricity. Haha, please show me
2010-11-10 22:54:57
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightning
Saying it's theory is BS since it has been reproduced by scientists, the first was Nikola Tesla, look it up before asking stupid questions.
2010-11-11 07:50:44
Yea and saying Nikola Tesla did it for the cash won't get you out of this one.
2010-11-11 07:57:20
Tesla is underrated man ...
-Edison
+Tesla ...
imba team :P
2011-09-21 08:50:44
Keep it up Heavon, again with the silly arguments, now 'what makes lighting appear'? Come on...
2011-09-21 18:25:21
There were even more things we couldn't explain 10 years ago.
2010-11-09 16:33:15
What is it science can't explain?

And don't come with the argument that we cannot explain what is beyond death. Things that cannot be explained should not be in the same league as things that cannot possible be be done.
2010-11-09 16:37:57
If everything happens for a reason... Why are there so many bad things / people... :/

We're all going to die anyway due to the huge evolution fail that is man.
2010-11-09 16:30:18
God doesn't exist. Deal with it.
2010-11-09 16:30:47
Yes.
2010-11-09 17:41:54
yeah then why don't you explain how the most complex way of life exists? (us)
2010-11-09 18:08:47
then why don't you explain why we weren't this complex 10 000 years ago and at the same time try to avoid evolution 'cus that's not true right? ;)
2010-11-09 19:08:26
Religion says that earth is old 5'000 years and scientist have proven that it's way older.
2012-02-26 03:15:49
What do you mean by "religion"? There are so many religions out there. Be specific, please...
2012-02-26 18:34:46
God is ourselves!
2010-11-09 16:34:26
God_RighT
2010-11-09 23:41:41
Nope. Why? Lack of evidence. Once you present valid evidence, I will consider it and decide upon it. Until then, NO!

Oh, and if you are going to tell me that you can't prove God doesn't exist, I have one question for you. Is that a good enough reason to believe? Better yet, why do you believe? One more thing. Lack of evidence usually means that the thing did not happen/does not exist(Bible is not evidence).
2010-11-09 16:38:08
i didn't start this topic because i want you to start believing in God or so i just wanted to know your opinions..
and if anyone believe in God he doesn't need more evidences than there are yet(and there are many evidences f.e. miracles that even science can't explain) and if you don't believe God and you don't want to find evidences you wouldn't find 'em

seriously have you ever tried to find some evidences about God or you are just saying that there are no evidences etc.
if yes and you still think there is no God it's OK that's your opinion i respect it , but never say there is no God when you didn't even tried to find him :]
2010-11-09 17:11:21
To believe in anything, you need proof - a reason to believe! You don't believe that the Earth revolves around itself for no reason, do you(even though the church once said that it didn't)?

Of course I am not going to look for the evidence of God. That is not my job. The believers did however have more than enough time to find the evidence, and yet, they have failed to present us with valid scientific evidence.

Oh, and could you write down some of those miracles(some recent ones please, not the great flood or something like that)?
2010-11-09 17:20:42
for example Pio of Pietrelcina

he didn't live that much years ago here is something about him..
i don't expect you will read the whole text but he for example had to abbility to be at two places at the same time or when somebody was at confesion by him he could tell him all of his sins

there is really nice film about him i you would find time to watch it it would be great, but i am not saying to you that you should watcht it.. just from your own interest

and i can't say you more recent miracles because when some miracle happen it takes really long time and every single miracle is being investigated before church will confirm that yes it was a miracle.

than there are many places known for miracles happening there like Fatima in Portugal or Medjugorje in Croatia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padre_pio
2010-11-09 17:37:59
I know of him well.

He was one of the stigmata(or w/e it's called) that was recognized by Vatican. He had wounds on his hands that would bleed, or something like that(Nat Geo). However, it is also true that he wore gloves over his hands for the last dunno how many years of his life and that the people were amazed how there were no wounds on his hands once he died. Sounds kinda fishy to me.

Oh, and is there any recorded evidence of that being in two places at the same time thing? One more thing, if you trust that someone is never gonna reveal your secrets and that you are gonna go to heaven after he forgives you, of course you're gonna tell him everything!

Miraculous healing can be contributed to anything, don't give it that much though. (this concerns your miraculous places)

Post edited 2010-11-09 17:49:21
2010-11-09 17:48:47
I have to say that i don't know many things about my religion cuz i don't study history but i am sure there are many evidences.. if you are really interested it them i can find time and send some to you,, but internet is not really trusted source, the best way are books and i don't know that so much about padre pio but what i am sure is that about fatima and medjugorje there happen many miracles and there were also revelation of st. Mary
2010-11-09 21:08:49
Can you describe one of the miracles?
2010-11-09 21:12:35
i have to find some good proof cuz i see you are proofhungry let me search,, i have heard of some but i think it isn't enough for you
2010-11-09 21:21:19
try to read this
http://www.saintanthonyofpadua.net/messaggero/pagina_stampa.asp?R=&ID=70

i am not saying you have to believe it just because it is written there but i say the best way how to find out are books so if you have time you can go t library and found some(if you really care about it)
i do not study my religion that much so i don't have many information about this
2010-11-09 21:24:25
Honestly, there are many things that science can't explain. Like people suddenly waking up from comas. Does that mean that if we cannot explain it, we should give the credit to God? No!

Also, what about all the people who have been praying their asses off and nothing has happened yet. What about those who woke up from comas(or have had some other "miraculous" healing) and are of a different religion or are atheists. How would you explain that? The truth is that we do not know everything about the human body, but that does not mean that we have to give the credit to a deity.

However, I do respect your beliefs, and if you find it sufficient, I cannot do anything about it.

Post edited 2010-11-09 21:43:39
2010-11-09 21:40:53
of course i can't say many facts to you cause i haven't studied it properly yet but i thinks if somebody go in fatima and pray there in place where revelation has happend and i would say it's obvious that it is miracle, and there are happening many miracles not just one that we could say OK it was random

ok thank you for your discussion it was pleasure for me really,, now i have to learn physics for test which is tomorrow :P
2010-11-09 21:45:54
God is a "Just" God. If god answers all prayers , good or bad , what do you think this world will be like? We have brains for a reason and all the problems that earth has and had like financial crisis's etc is our fault. If every problem were to be fixed every time there is a problem don't you think this world will be screwed up? We caused our own problems so we must fix em.

I respect your opinion and I don't want to force you into believing something that you don't have to believe in but I was just showing my point towards the arguement a lot of people tend to give saying "why is there so much shit on earth and why isn't everything perfect without problems".
2011-09-20 21:01:05
Just? If he is just, then why does he let MILLIONS of CHILDREN die every year of starvation alone?

Also, if WE fix the problem, why do we need him? To give him all of the credit and blame ourselves for all of the problems? Fuck that! Either take all the blame as well or don't ask for any credit.

Also, why is it that you believe in a deity? Because you were taught to believe when you were a child, or because you look at some piece of "evidence" that makes you make such a claim?
2011-09-20 21:30:18
"if WE fix the problem why do we need him" means you clearly didn't read what I wrote.
2011-09-20 21:42:19
I've read it, I'm merely stating that we don't need to believe that something else is fixing our problems or helping us if we do it ALL by ourselves.
2011-09-20 22:15:28
I didn't mean that only we have to fix ALL problems. You are talking about all the negatives right , e.g children starving etc. but you also gotta look at the good things as you being alive , you could have died yesterday , today or any time by an accident but you did not. Im not saying thats the case but of course there are bad "things or problems" but we obviously have to fix some and other have been fixed without us knowing and therefore this conversation will never end.
2011-09-20 22:30:45
I should thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster for being alive? Why? I'm just a random combination that occurred when a tiny spermatozoon and a bit bigger egg merged.

Also, I could have died yesterday in a bus, for example, but I did not. Why is that? Because the driver knew how to drive a bus and because the rest of the drivers on the road knew how to drive their vehicles as well. Should I thank the Invisible Pink Unicorn for that one?

So, you're saying that we have to take care of ALL of the big things, and let the Invisible Teapot take care of the small things such as keeping us alive? Sounds good and perfectly sane to me.
2011-09-20 22:39:04
If you can't see further from the points that I gave then god help you because its not possible to argue with you. Like I said from the start , I won't change your mind I've got nothing to lose nor to gain so yeah...believe in what you want and if you feel that you've just "won or accomplished something" that's entirely up to you.

god bless.
2011-09-20 23:08:05
What were the points that you gave me? That we should take care of our own problems? We're already doing that. I'm just saying that if we take care of them by ourselves, we should not thank some invisible sky-daddy for OUR hard work!
2011-09-20 23:11:33
You saying that I'm saying that god only takes care of small things is completely wrong. No where did I say that , you assumed it and just to confirm , No. I do not say that god takes care only of small problems but be realistic do you want me to count every problem that I think god had fixed? And again you go back to the "should we fix our own problem" Like I said that we created those problems we should fix em what ever you are talking about and if you would get your own head out of your ass you would probably realise that we have brains and can be responsible to do shit ourselves too once in awhile don't we?
2011-09-20 23:23:39
"do you want me to count every problem that I think god had fixed?" - That's the problem. You think that your deity has fixed the problem while in fact it was either someone else doing it, you, or it was just an accident.

I'm saying that we are more than able to fix our problems and that we should fix them. I'm also saying that once we've fixed them, we should not say that it was some kind of a magic man in the sky!
2011-09-20 23:28:43
I can point it straight back at you. You think you fixed something when it wasn't you. For an example thousands died in Japan but on the other hand thousands survived too. Yeah you can call that luck or a coincidence but I still think or believe that there's a superior being or a "god". What ever problems you are constantly talking about fixing , go ahead fix em with the brain God gave you so its indirectly sky-daddy helping out.
2011-09-20 23:35:48
I'm not saying that I fixed anything. I'm saying that if I fix something, it's my doing. If I don't, or am not able to, then it is not. However, just because something happened that I cannot explain does not mean that it's automatically MAGIC!

You think that there is a deity that let's thousands of people die in horrible pains every day and that it is just?

How do you know that some god gave me a brain? How do you know that it was your god? Because your "holy book" says so? Our brains evolved over time, it's as simple as that.

Our inability to realize that we are responsible for our own actions saddens me sometimes.
2011-09-20 23:52:25
How do you think the earth and universe were created?
2011-09-20 23:59:38
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Earth

And as for the question about the space, I'm going to say that I don't know. However, the fact that I do not know something does not mean that I have the right to say that it was done by Xenu or Thor!
2011-09-21 08:44:31
called big bang theory! proven btw
2011-09-21 08:54:10
"For an example thousands died in Japan but on the other hand thousands survived too."

This is what amazes me, ahahah it's just so funny how you can say that and truly believe in what you are saying.
You can always tell those that lost their whole family that God exists because some of the people survived also.
2011-09-23 14:22:38
NO, I am not a believer. And I still cannot grasp why people who are infact religious, cannot see this. Your life is not influenced by a deity and it never will. You have no proof, you have no personal experience that tells otherwise. I have deep respect for people whose lives are so miserable that they really need something to hold on to, something that tells them that it is all going to be alright, but the civilized part of the world should really think more.

I saw someone above me, who said that it could not be a coincidence, that earth was where it was. Not too close and not too far from the sun. Here's something to think about: The universe is infinite. This means, that though we have not yet discovered other worlds that holds life, there is an infinite number of worlds with life. Even though they might be rare to find, then given that the universe is infite, the number of worlds that are perfect for life is infinite. So in my world, the Bible is just the worlds most best-selling novel ;)
2010-11-09 16:48:45
+1
2010-11-09 16:54:09
Just read some of your other posts regarding UFO sightings, and I must say, you are pleasent to debate with :) The post you replied to was actually my first post in here, even though I've been lurking the site for years. Was afraid I would get flamed and bbq'ed for sharing my thoughts, as the majority of people in here does, but I was pleasantly surprised by you. Cheers :)
2010-11-09 17:16:01
thanks make :D
I know it's hard to debate something seriously without having the "joke thing" present.
2010-11-09 17:30:02
about the earth read my comment 134
2010-11-09 17:15:18
Hey just read your comment, but I think it is flawed in many ways.

My point being with other worlds, is that since the Earth is part of an infinite universe, then the Earth is part of the infinite number of other planets that holds an ideal distance to a star. If I understand your comment correctly, you define the Earth as "being there first", which is logical, since you believe God created the Earth. In order to understand why the Earth is nothing out of the usual in an infinite universe, you must first agree with yourself, that the universe is very old. Older than you can imagine.

I need to be careful of what I write, I can sometimes get a little confused myself when I try to make a point. So I'll try to boil it down to one thing: The Earth is part of an infinite universe, so the amount of planets looking like the Earth is also infinite :)
2010-11-09 17:27:50
yep i understand, but there can be also question asked give me evidence that universe is infinite but i don't want to talk about it just saying.
but with our Sun it is like i have said and you simply can't say that it is random :}
2010-11-09 17:30:57
Proving the universe is infinite is quite easy actually. Well, easy and easy, you need to have some knowledge in physics :p

It's been proven, that the universe keeps growing. It keeps expanding, getting mind boggling bigger alle the time, so fast that we cannot imagine it. This means, that until the universe stops expanding (please don't stop expanding, we'll all die :p) the universe is infinite.

I know you might not want to talk about it, but I really must insist on doing just that. Not to tell you what believe is wrong, but atleast to tell you why I believe as I do, and why.

You see, the distance the Earth is from the sun is not something a God has done, because:

The sun has a gravitational field, in which, depending on the size, it can keep other objects in a circular system. The distance at which objects circle around a star is randomly decided by the objects own gravity and mass. So in reality, it's basically pretty random when a planet has the right size and gravitational pull. But, given that we are in an infinite universe, random things are not so random. We are part of the infinite universe, thus making the Earth the correct distance from the sun a random thing that happens very very often :) If you don't want to talk about it further from now on, then that's alright. I'll wish you a goodevening, and may you deliver many headshots in CS! :)
2010-11-09 17:42:24
Honestly, we do not know how large the universe really is. It is still expanding, and I'm pretty sure that the number of galaxies and the amount of matter that is available is/was limited. Which means that there cannot be an infinite amount of Earth-like worlds. There are some, for sure, just not an infinite amount.
2010-11-09 17:32:21
I never heard there was a limited amount of matter. Do you have any sources for that? Sounds interesting. Also, I think, that per definition, a universe that keeps expanding is infinite until the expansion has stopped. Theres no theses suggesting that it is going to stop expanding, hence it must be infinite according my own logic atleast :p

Post edited 2010-11-09 18:08:32
2010-11-09 18:06:10
The space(as in empty space) itself is infinite. However, the universe has it's limits. It may be expanding, but it cannot cover the full amount of space. Even if it expands for an eternity, it can never cover all of the space, thus, it is not infinite in the true meaning of the word.

Our scientists estimate the number of galaxies to be 100-200 billions. If that is true, than that would mean that there is a limited amount of matter that was used to create these. If the amount was limitless, there would be a limitless amount of galaxies. Still, we cannot speak of that, as we still do not have all of the information.
2010-11-09 19:17:02
Sounds very interesting. Haven't heard that there is a finite amount of matter though. I'll try look around for that :p Thanks for pointing it out!
2010-11-09 19:26:41
It's actually my logic, but I'm pretty sure you were sarcastic.
2010-11-09 21:06:01
Don't really get what part of his post you thinks is sarcastic.
2010-11-10 12:35:03
The whole post in general. Sarcasm doesn't do well on the internet, so it's hard to determine whether or not he was serious.
2010-11-10 14:16:07
"the probability of planets"
2010-11-09 17:34:51
Nicely said. Good job.
2010-11-09 17:23:57
+1 You are smart mate, maybe that's why you are ateist :)
2010-11-09 17:41:32
I don't think it's because I am smart, maybe it's just because I see the world for what it is :P
2010-11-09 18:08:01
Said in other words. ;) I like your thinking and morality.
2010-11-09 21:15:06
You don't have to be smart to be an atheist...
2011-09-22 07:21:51
as for science the universe isent infinite becuas we cant se it all, so we have to estimate the size of the universe (becaus science only suport facts sort of) heres a graet link for the size of the universe as we know of:
http://primaxstudio.com/stuff/scale_of_universe/
its got all sorts of size from the smallets to the biggest the universe, estimated size of the universe 930 YM (93,000,000,000 light years, or 10^26 x 9.3 meters) but its in theory that its infinite.

and a picture where we can se the farthest of the universe we can see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcBV-cXVWFw&feature=related
2010-11-10 00:37:44
actually univers is not infinity it is right now getting bigger and its slowing after that it will start to go backward
2011-09-20 20:50:41
Yes, I do believe in the enourmous pipe smoking rabbit.
2010-11-09 16:53:16
Yes, I belive. LOL wtf so much ppl don't belive in God?:O
2010-11-09 17:05:02
LOL wtf, so many people do believe in God? :O
2012-02-25 12:57:57
I believe in God, but I won't give any money for the "church". Why? Uh, in Poland religion is really... sad. People are building the biggest Jesus' sculpture in the world, they spent so much money (I mean money from older people, donations from foundations and from normal families who think, that they'll help poor people) for stupid thing and other, poor people don't have money for food, because the "church" can't help them. As I read in the Bible, God doesn't want from us the biggest sculptures and churches, but just faith and love for other people. That's only my point of view. :)

(sorry for my English :P)
2010-11-09 17:06:26
good point of view
and btw, giving money to the church is so lame imo.

We have to admit that there's something more powerful than us. We can only see 3D, maybe they're in another dimension or something.

My religion says that we need to respect and love the other, so we can improve our soul and live in a better world on next existence.
(Spiritism of Allan Kardec)

Post edited 2010-11-09 18:12:40
2010-11-09 18:12:26
Well being a Muslim, and reading the Quran there's no way i cant deny the existence of God.
All the evidence of God lies there... Just to summarize it:
An illiterate person who was uneducated, we Muslims call him Prophet Mohammad(PBUH), revealed the Quran. It contained scientific facts and details of scientific facts that have been proven by scientists TODAY. How can u deny that facts that couldn't humanly be possible proved 1400 years ago could be written in the Quran. There's a SHIT LOAD of facts. Facts that have ALSO YET TO BE PROVEN and will be proven in the future :)

This post was mainly directed to those who say there's no evidence of God.
2010-11-09 17:14:01
+1
i am not muslim i am cristian but i agree
2010-11-09 17:16:37
Hey, respect for believing, as you state, being a believer you cannot just "deny" all of a sudden. I'm atheist myself, but my countrys' religion is protestantic christianity, so I'm not aware of the facts you point out that have been written in the Quran. You made me curious because you mentioned scientific fact, would you care to share some of these facts written in the Quran? I've never heard of it before.
2010-11-09 17:18:55
here is one
the word sea in quran is mentioned 32times
the word land(ground) is mentioned 13times

32+13=45

SEA 32/45 x 100 = 71.11111111% (the percentage of water in earth)
LAND 13/45 x 100 = 28.88888889% (the percentage of land in earth)
sea+land =100%

u`see Quran contains many facts related to our lives and earth ... these percentages where found lately by science ..but they`re witten in Quran before 1400 years! U just have to 'decode' them in a way :)

o't : I believe in GOD (allah)

Post edited 2010-11-09 21:35:09
2010-11-09 21:32:48
I must admit, that is cool. But since it is not someone who said "this much water is here, and this much ground is here" then I cannot stop thinking that it is only a very very cool coincidence. I was thinking, have you seen the movie called "The number 23"? It's actually pretty good. It's about a man who thinks he sees the number 23 in everything. Everything he does and sees is summarized down to the number 23. Point being, that if you look for something too much, you find "truth" and reasoning behind something is just what it is, coincidence. Anyway, thanks for writing that fact for me, it was interesting :D
2010-11-09 21:49:43
"I must admit, that is cool. But since it is not someone who said "this much water is here, and this much ground is here"<b></b>
well.. this sounds kinda stupid to me nobody will come and say there`s water and there`s land u`ve to discover it by yourself. Anyway that`s ur opinion I respect it ..and np about the fact I was happy to see someone being curious about the facts revealed in Quran unlike some others who just denie the existence of god by saying stupid things.
And honestly how can this be a coincidence?

Post edited 2010-11-09 22:04:29
2010-11-09 22:03:18
Happy to learn about other peoples' culture :) I think it is based on coincidence, precisely because you have to "figure it out for yourself". It would have been really wicked, if in the Quran, Mohammed (he is the prophet who wrote the Quran, right?) said that there is so much land, and there is so much water. I hope you can see what I mean, I think it's a little cryptic myself aswell. I bet, that if you do something along the same lines with the Bible, you could also find such wierd coincidences. But I must admit, that the facts you have just shown me from the Quran, is the best argument FOR a religious belief I have ever encountered. And that's saying alot :p
2010-11-09 23:04:11
Mohammed is not the one who wrote the Quran (he was unlettered) he was given the Quran from Allah through Gabriel (angel).
~There are several other facts in Quran and the one that I showed u is one of many others ...if u got astonished by that fact ,u should search for others and maybe u`ll change ur opinion about religion :)

~But I must admit, that the facts you have just shown me from the Quran, is the best argument FOR a religious belief I have ever encountered
I`m glad i could server u a simple fact yet so 'amazing' for u

Post edited 2010-11-09 23:44:13
2010-11-09 23:41:28
And that prooves... (empty)
2011-09-21 18:47:43
there is so many brainwashed people, makes me sad.
2012-02-26 03:20:45
It's very interesting to get in touch with your religion. By the way, from what I've studied of History here in brazilian books, I didn't like Mohammed's history so much. Well, I'm sorry but... I don't like his attitude of comparing himself with Jesus and his way to go like "Hey, god sent me!" wtf!?

Please don't offend me, this is the information I learnt here, I'm not questioning your religion.

I like the idea of "Less religion, More GOD".

Peace mate.
2010-11-09 18:25:12
Brainwashed fool at its best
2012-04-13 11:26:56
believe? lol its not an option, we are here, so yes
2010-11-09 17:14:20
brazilians' thoughts... brazilians' thoughts..
do you believe in saci perere? =DDD

Post edited 2011-09-20 20:58:45
2011-09-20 20:51:52
shut up already.
discriminating your own people
2011-09-21 03:58:41
I'm not discriminating my own people.
Am I wrong that most brazilians believe in God and are easily brainwashed and influenced??

Well, imagine a Brazil without religion =DD wouldn't it be a great country?

couldn't be as rich as usa, but i'm talking about the people etc

do you know how annoying evangelics are? (at least in Brazil)

2011-09-21 04:42:57
I agree they are annoying but I just ignore it.

UNLESS you want a girl who's evangelic.
You're doomed end of story
2011-09-21 04:45:07
How come you know that I want a girl that's evangelic? :(

Ok I ignore them too but I want you know that I'm not discriminating brazilians :D I love this country
2011-09-21 05:02:39
This discussion will lead to no where, cause people are too stubborn, if you don't believe in God, that's really nice for you. If you do believe in God, well that's even better for you. If we say to a atheist that God exists, he has nothing to lose, cause he has no "faith" in something that is above us, but saying to a believer that God doesn't exist, it's worse because he has alot more to lose. It is better not to talk about this theme, cause people might take it much too serious thus leading to weird comments.

2010-11-09 17:21:45
God doesn't exist to think otherwise is to be delusional. All the evidence indicates we happened by chance, however unlikely or ridiculous it seems does not make it any less true.
2010-11-09 17:23:10
People are manipulate through church/bible blah blah.
If i don't see i don't believe, it is quite simple for me. There're a lot of people who are manipulate and this topic has no exceptions.

"God came to the earth
That's why you are here."
FraXef -#53-

Ok.
You`re a religeous guy, I respect that. You must have something to believe in.

If God was on Earth, there are any proofs?
How he looks like?
He has a long white beard?Like Santa?
Someone saw him? No? Good.

Come with some good explination.

PS : Priest from Vatican are pedo.

Post edited 2010-11-09 17:24:23
2010-11-09 17:23:20
God in the sky not in the Earth
(not this sky)
this is the Point you Believe in something you do not see
2010-11-09 17:39:22
ahammm
an imaginary sky..
2010-11-09 22:04:33
For me, god is a pure spirit that is so bright that you can't see him. Well, it's weird to explain but.. in my religion I learn that our soul needs to evolve a lot so we can see him, and the unique way to evolve is respecting the other, loving the other, forgive other's mistakes and offenses...
(Spiritism of Allan Kardec)
2010-11-09 18:28:07
you're in a cult or something ?
2010-11-09 22:08:54
whatever you say
2010-11-10 02:21:22
if there was a god on this world pro soccer players wouldnt earn that money they earn now. If there was a god whole africa had huge buildings and food and water. If there was a god should i go on ?? or do you get the point. fuck god and fuck religions. If there was any god the world was alot better.
2010-11-09 17:25:38
You are actually being retarded there. It is easy to blame God for everything bad that happens to the world, but this isn't God's fault, it's the fault of the humans. The West is making profits out all the other countries, I'm also sorry but Africa has everything to be a top wealthy continent. So don't talk about God in this kind of situations ;)
2010-11-09 17:28:20
bla bla bla bla , my point is you need to do it yourself there is no god to help you. You just proved my point thx . :)

Post edited 2010-11-09 17:47:56
2010-11-09 17:40:48
If the Christians are giving him all the glory, they should give him all the blame too, right?
2010-11-09 17:43:27
people make world bad and not God do u get the point? all those things you have just said make people and not God.. and why God doesn't stop them?
because people are give free will so they can do whatever they want etc..

Post edited 2010-11-09 17:38:38
2010-11-09 17:28:35
Yes cause he's almight and resposible for all the good things. But when it comes to world hunger, natural disasters and all the shit we go through every day, of course we do.
2010-11-09 17:56:08
that's maybe your point of view bum my opinion is that every person is responsible for himself and maybe more people when he is part of some community or so.. and i would say the opposite of what you have just said.. Most of people find god important only when they are in troubles and so.. and when they feel good they forget About God..
so if somebody thinks like u have said i think it is pretty irracional and not smart
2010-11-09 21:14:26
I see you have some problems with logic. But that's ok, religion in it's core is illogical.
2010-11-09 21:26:56
what of the things i have just said is unlogic? pls say to me and discuss not just say blabla and i have truth
thanx :)
2010-11-09 21:27:51
Cause your answer had nothing to do with my thesis. Religion was deisgned to give god all the worship and non of the responsibility. I've been studying religion for 5 years now and I can tell you one thing, it's placebo for every "sicken" sheep that needs to be saved from reality. People can't cope with reality, they're afraid of universe randomness. So they pray, they pray as hard as they can, so that person in the sky won't allow them to become victim of this randomness. Cause he can control it, but there's one problem. Randomnes by it's definition can't be controlled.
2010-11-09 21:36:57
ok you think it's placebo and so.. i won't argue with you cause it don't think have sense, cuz we both have our own truth and we won't find any kind of agreement so i would end here our discusion OK?
i have my opinion you have yours and we should respect each other as two mature people
2010-11-09 21:40:38
My suggestion is you should get familiar with bible and other holy books before entering such an argument. Cause i see you have problems with christianic dogmatism. You're arguments aren't coherent with those in the bible.
2010-11-09 21:44:06
i know because i didn't study yet and i know that i can't lead discussion on academic level about these things,, but truth is that i didn't expect such discusion about thes topic where i was posting this thread.
2010-11-09 21:48:25
stpid , we will see it in the hell that are a God .
2010-11-13 07:04:17
hahahahahahha
2011-09-21 20:32:19
stpid , we will see it in the hell that are a God in this world .
2010-11-13 07:04:27
Nah, I don't believe in god, I am ateist. Imo intelligent ppl are ateist.
2010-11-09 17:38:17
intelligent people go to church every sunday dude.
2010-11-09 17:40:18
maybe some of them are. But the majority isn't.
2010-11-09 17:51:03
lol
2010-11-10 00:51:34
rofl
2010-11-10 00:51:12
CN is my god
2010-11-09 17:42:48
nope i don't belive and as of why why should i if he existed he's some cruel dude ... and prove me he exists ... i know u can't that's why i don't belive :)
2010-11-09 17:44:25
can you prove he doesnt?
2010-11-09 17:47:30
seriously :D he created eva and addam he thought o 2 is enough they fuck like rabbits and after a while the human kind is evolved to something that can build read talk and drive all the hand off god plz fuck off
2010-11-09 17:55:02
Don't say that.
For me, addam and eva history is a lie, because there are a lot of things in bible that aren't true.

The apostles couldn't write/read (most part of them) so they had to hire other guys to write their history(bible). These writters could modify histories of their like.

2010-11-09 18:30:29
outrageously funny
2010-11-10 00:52:04
how created u ?
2010-11-09 17:47:34
mom had sex with my father.
2010-11-09 17:51:42
How come you're so certain. Maybe it was the other way around?!

Post edited 2010-11-09 18:08:24
2010-11-09 18:08:13
i am confused right now ....
2010-11-09 22:00:32
Maybe your father had sex with your mom :D
2010-11-09 22:01:52
oh... i didn't think in that way :D
2010-11-09 22:12:12
nice joke
I mean how created the human been
2010-11-09 18:11:35
Evolution... And not the imaginary lol named god
2010-11-09 19:10:11
You know what "lol" means you stupid kid?
2010-11-09 19:22:13
You know what science and fact is you poor rat?
2010-11-09 19:35:01
I do you piece of shit.. So? that doesn't changes my opinion.
2010-11-09 20:09:47
Open your mind, my young padawan. Don't get easily influenced...
2012-02-26 03:24:32
rofl hahahaha what an ignorant retard

Post edited 2010-11-10 00:53:42
2010-11-10 00:53:28
stupid kid -.-"
2010-11-13 06:59:29
God made the world, God made nature, including us but he left us the world. We are responsable for what's happening in this world not God(talking about bad things). It's easy to blame God, but once and for all, if you don't believe in God keep your idea's for yourself ;) cause believers have something to lose and non believers not. The most important thing is to be in peace with yourself, but also with others :)
2010-11-09 17:50:52
+1
2010-11-09 18:04:41
+1

less religions, more god, peace, love, respect.
2010-11-09 18:31:36
+1
2010-11-09 19:06:10
There is another way to look at it...

Believers are selfish egocentrics who do good deeds so they would end up in heaven rather then hell.

While non-believers do good deeds cos they feel sympathy for their fellow human.

This is complete bullshit as is your statement
Generalization is a bitch... so don't do it.

One more thing, if god left the world for us, why exactly do we need to believe in him?
For what purpose?
2010-11-10 13:58:48
Who says all the believers do it because they want to go to Heaven, in all the holy books it is written that when you help someone who is in problems, don't do it in public, just to show off that you're helping, because God knows what you are really thinking. Religion is also good, because people who are afraid of God and his judgement( hell etc... ) are afraid to do bad things, but someone who doesn't believe in God, has no purpose in life, he doesn't actually care, so if he's not educated well in a family, he might go on the streets and kill people, he doesn't care what might happen to him, he doesn't believe in the punition that God might give him.
2010-11-10 14:09:16
"Who says all the believers do it because they want to go to Heaven, in all the holy books it is written that when you help someone who is in problems, don't do it in public, just to show off that you're helping, because God knows what you are really thinking."
-You said yourself that believers have something to lose, making me assume all of them... and now you prove my point, that not all believers do it for that reason, hence being a believer changes nothing, since some do.

"Religion is also good, because people who are afraid of God and his judgement( hell etc... ) are afraid to do bad things"
-Your logic is backed with no proof. How exactly do you know it's not the governments LAW, jailtime, being discarded by society, etc. what people are afraid of.

"but someone who doesn't believe in God, has no purpose in life"
-Many of the things you use today are there because of people who "had no purpose in life".

"he doesn't actually care, so if he's not educated well in a family, he might go on the streets and kill people, he doesn't care what might happen to him, he doesn't believe in the punition that God might give him."
-On the other hand, he might actually believe he will get 72 virgins in heaven, then kidnap a plane and fly it into a building full of people.
Again you prove yourself wrong, no matter if you believe or not it all depends on how you are raised by your parents, friends and society.

Through whole history of the world it would seem religion fueled more wars and caused more death than anything else.

I myself don't believe in god and I even don't care that much for our thieving government, even so I don't plan on going to the streets and killing people.

I believe in people. However you look at it we are an amazing species and I truly believe we are being held down by religion, race, nationalities and other such meaningless differences we ignorantly tend to cling to.

2010-11-10 15:27:58
There are always extremists, people who believe they get 72 virgins in heaven are just stupid... We can't continue on this conversation, you have a different opinion and I have a different one, I know God exists, but I can't give you " scientifical facts ", you don't know if God exists, but you can't also give scientifical facts.
2010-11-11 20:49:01
by: Pus - HLTV.org
#178
The real question is: could God create a box he/she couldn't look into?

Post edited 2010-11-09 17:51:48
2010-11-09 17:51:10
I bet that's the box the cake is in... :)
2010-11-10 14:00:07
Could Jesus microwave a pizza so hot that he himself could not eat it? :O
2012-02-25 13:09:15
Religion are for weak minded people who are easy to manipulate and brainwash.
2010-11-09 17:58:29
than 1/3 of world are brainwashed and me to

thanx mate
2010-11-09 18:02:30
Np, just like the vast majority of the worlds population and leaders believed in USA's racial propaganda against Cannabis.
2010-11-09 19:37:23
+1 , so true, but we arent talking about religion, but about god
2010-11-09 18:07:53
same thing
2010-11-09 18:20:21
Yes
2012-02-26 03:25:38
You're so fucking wrong.
2010-11-09 19:21:20
Wheter* you wanna see it or not, religion is propaganda and scare tactics to get people to follow you. Period.


*fixed typo.

Post edited 2010-11-09 19:40:38
2010-11-09 19:38:41
you have right
2010-11-11 14:56:36
I'm always right. :>
2010-11-12 19:35:32
You are narcissist.
2011-09-21 14:21:23
I love you! :)
2011-09-20 20:52:49
+1

greatly said

this video can explain the whole story behind religion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55h1FO8V_3w
2012-02-26 03:26:51
god exist in your faith, you have to have hope, and you see it in some higher power... It takes you away from some responsabilites, and makes you a motivated person to deal with your problems.
but i dont think that god exist, you creat your own, to give yourself a meaning of life, or to give you moral to do something ;)


yet, paranormal stuffs can be experienced, and for that, i don't have profs or something, but I rather dont keep my mind full of unknown and spend time in searching the answer, I rather live with what I have.
2010-11-09 18:05:54
Interesting that western europeans/scandanavians seem to pretty much not follow religion whereas eastern europeans and people from under developed countries are religious.

It's not like i need to say what the point im making here is.
2010-11-09 18:06:52
hehehehe. You're point is pretty obvious, and accurate. It's mostly underdeveloped countries that still hang out with eligion that much. But look at USA, they're pretty religious. Well I guess when people exchange ignorance and lack of knowledge for science and knowledge things change rapidly.
2010-11-09 18:12:48
USA can be compared to underdeveloped countries somewhat. 13 to 17% of the american population live in poverty. USA have a public debt of 90.4% of their annual BNP.
2010-11-09 19:32:48
It's a fair assumption, but I am pretty sure you cannot prove exactly that point from just reading comments on a site for select people. Who knows how many people in the danish government is religious or not. I think the truth is, that the countries you mention, aren't as "bound" to religion as other countries. If it is religion we need to hold responsible for the "under develeoped" I do not know, I believe many factors come to play, corruption being one of the biggest.
2010-11-09 18:16:43
Couldn't say it any better mate.
2010-11-09 23:33:59
I dont belive in god. I mean, it's just hard to think (for me) that someone have the power to rule all over the world...
If there was god, there wouldn't be no poor people, war, etc...
I respect everyone's opinion, but i think that we need to think with our foots and minds in the Earth, here and now to solve our problems.
I think that the idea of an existance of a 'God' was created when Man couldn't find answers for some problems and so, to justify some acts, Man started to belive in a high power creature who would define what would happen and how would it happen. Cheers
2010-11-09 18:07:41
So many walls of texts in this topic. I have only one to say: I do not believe in God but last year I was a true believer yet. It came to change when I've started to use my brain and get some things straight. It's obvious that people are different and have own ideas and opinions. The most important thing is that you must accept and tollerate other people.
2010-11-09 18:22:10
I believe in Aliens and i dont believe in God.
2010-11-09 18:22:24
ofc i believe in god,ghosts and stuff! Also, when i want rain, i just start the "rain dance" and its rains!
2010-11-09 18:32:36
No because i postulate that the world is matter!
And i try to analyze the causal relations so materialist

cf Dialectical materialism

2010-11-09 18:45:35
If there wasn't a God or things on religious sides
there was more war and hate.

I Don't say there ISN'T both of these things but alot less as we/alot of people expect if there wasnt a religion
2010-11-09 19:02:56
Most of these wars are due to religion..
2010-11-09 19:08:20
Then i might guess you are talking about "Suicide Bombers" in the Islamic countries.

I'm a Muslim, but the Media makes our religion black. Because most Christian friends of mine are saying that the Islamic religion is very beautiful if you believe in it or follow it
2010-11-09 19:17:21
There are many religious wars in history of our civilization.
2010-11-09 22:02:58
why you dont ask your soul and you ask the others?everyone has hes own beleive
2010-11-09 19:08:19
i have said why am i asking,, i know that i am believer and i don't have to proof it to the others
2010-11-09 20:57:08
There is no God. Get over it. It's 2010 for God's sake...
2010-11-09 19:09:46
Sure believe. God exists and will exist always. Our capacity is a bit limitated in this life. Peace.
2010-11-09 19:09:47
I believe in God and I dont care what everybody thinks about it.
BTW The atheist wanna tell me how the earth is created? Most easiest and best answer is God. Your flying metals dont come from nowhere and suddenly explode. That cant just happen. Or you still wanna tell me that they came from nowhere? Ok, then you lost the fight, God does exists.
2010-11-09 19:12:26
welcome to 2010
Easiest answer is not always the right one :)
2010-11-09 19:17:09
Nooo! the cookiemonster ROFLMAO who slays dragonz created earth, not some lol named god.

Crazy person...
2010-11-09 19:18:12
Why cant you talk using polite language? Oh, atheist cant, its their weakness.

Post edited 2010-11-09 19:19:28
2010-11-09 19:19:14
WOW imba comeback! You must be the godsend JESUS!?
2010-11-09 19:21:23
Haha you guys(atheists) lost, you didnt answer my argument :) You cant prove the big bang or whateva you believe at.
2010-11-09 19:22:43
Prove god? lol
2010-11-09 19:25:22
Again, you didnt answer to my question. This is fun :) Btw, I cant prove God, hes supernatural, you just need to decide if you think that he exists or not.
2010-11-09 19:28:20
Can't prove big bang lol it's supernatural lol... u fail
2010-11-09 19:32:42
"Big bang" _wouldn't_ be supernatural .D:D:D:D:D Or is a gas explosion supernatural for you? :D:D:D: hahahahaha you made my day.
2010-11-09 19:34:09
Big Ben is no gas explosion, get a clue!
2010-11-09 19:39:02
Sir, you lost.
2010-11-09 19:50:00
You believe in god and you don't think you lost?
So sad...
2010-11-09 19:55:26
If its not supernatural, its possible naturally in our world. That means "Big Bang" is possible. You are out of your mind or just very stupid and young person ^^
2012-02-26 03:07:54
The funniest thing in this is that this Godsent boy's nickname means "shitpants69" :D
2012-02-26 03:02:58
You are just taking the easiest solution here.
See this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmj7i_BLEvA
2010-11-09 22:57:42
First, why you see all this debate as a 'fight'? Is it because we have to disprove something that hasn't been proved? Haha...

Second, why are atheists the ones who has to prove the big bang theory, it's a theory! Why don't you have to prove that god really exists? Because is the best and EASIEST answer? You said it, fortunately scientists don't think like you, if so we would still believe that the Earth is flat.

Your flying metals dont come from nowhere and suddenly explode. That cant just happen.


Didn't understand what you were trying to say, but let me ask you why is that? You are so sure... explain me why then.

The fact that we cannot prove 100% how Earth was created doesn't prove that god exists, sorry, but anyways good luck if you are happy with your religion, belief or whatever, as I said before fortunately we have smart people besides you.




2011-09-22 07:48:03
Seems like you don't even know so said "vacuum space" isn't completely empty, it's actually constantly being filled by negative neutrons and positrons that instantly annihilate each other. That just proves creation of matter works in a cycle when given a chance.
2011-11-15 06:13:59
Imagine this world without religion... almost no wars, people united without differences all over the world and we would probably speak the same language.

Religion divides people and it brings more pain than gain.
2010-11-09 19:14:11
That's bull, you are saying the opposite of it.
If we had not religions, there will be more hate in the world.

2010-11-09 19:24:39
Then what's the reason for almost every war? there has never been peace in the middle east, and you know why? because of your praised religion.

Hate =/= atheism
Love =/= religion

get your equations right
2010-11-09 19:28:57
And what would be the point of you being born in this world then? Religious people say God created human beings. If you don't believe it then can you tell me who created them and why?
2010-11-09 19:42:14
we are here because of evolution, not for a purpose, why is it so hard to accept?
2010-11-09 20:14:04
Probably because it makes less sense than the existence of a god
2010-11-09 20:24:43
to a frightened-non-thinking-biased-heard-the-same-story-whole-life-therefor-believes-in-it-person ye :)
2010-11-09 20:42:13
yet you still didn't answer my other question I really want to know what you think created this world you are living in.
2010-11-09 21:59:22
thats easy no one created the world... it created itself, the big bang so to speak... and we are just part of evolution

sry but there is no god

but on the orther note, i belive there is more to it then the eye can see, like there is a lot of misteris that scenice cant explain, and dont came and say its gods work and all... its more like i dont belive in ghost, mostly becuas i havent seen it or experiencd it, but i have som close frindes that have seen a ghost up to more times so he says, but i do belive there is something that we just dont see or understand yet, yet i say

2010-11-10 12:15:32
the big bang? Do you know that it's mentionned in the Quran? A book that exist for 1400 years and many things written in the Quran that were proven only some years ago by your beloved science
and the bible is corrupted that's why the Quran appeared

Post edited 2010-11-10 13:46:23
2010-11-10 13:44:51
Why there has to be a reason?
2012-04-12 15:09:59
do you think that if there were no religions there will be no wars? i laugh., maybe you are saying about the old wars in Jeruzalem called Crusades, yeah but they all have their own reason..
and if there were no religion as you say you wouldn't be there.. have you read something about the 'cold war' or another name 'caribean crysis' ??
if pope didn't wrote letter to Khruscov there will probable be 3rd world war and i think that would be the worst war ever with all the nuclear bombs and all the other stuff

can you imagine that?
2010-11-09 21:04:20
GUYS join my god!!! It's a cookie monster named ROFLMAO, who walks above the clouds and kill dragons!!!

very true story!
2010-11-09 19:14:52
If you are not taking this serious don't post any comment please.

This is an serious topic to discuss about
not about cookie monster, you may believe in it
2010-11-09 19:25:45
Yeah cause God is more serious and REAL than a cookie monster and dragons? lol, get a clue!
2010-11-09 19:30:59
Yes that guy is very vey childish. He cant prove anything, he is just here to blame everyone with bad language.
2010-11-09 19:32:04
yeah not really cool but somehow he does have a point, i mean i can understand why he's taking it so lightly on one side and so serious about it on another one ( cf # 252 )
2010-11-09 19:37:54
Humans don't believe what they can't see... All you need is Faith.

Tragedies happen so humans can learn.
2010-11-09 19:19:48
+million
2010-11-09 20:21:43
+1.
2010-11-10 17:15:31
So, god kills people to scare us?
2010-11-10 20:19:26
Wars have killed more people than natural disasters have.

So why would i fear God when some earthquake, volcano, hurricane, etc kills people.. when there's thousand of people getting killed by other people everyday.
2010-11-10 20:58:08
That's not the point and you know it.
2010-11-10 21:04:41
Why you call an earthquake, volcano and a hurricane a tragedy? You don't really know what those things are, don't you?

By the way, your comment is so confusing, I mean, god 'sends' a hurricane and kills 100 people (for example), so they can learn to have faith.

-??????????????????????????- Makes sense to kill people for not believing what they don't see, LOL. I wonder if god only kills those people who don't believe in him or he also kills believers in his 'tragedies', haha.

Yeah, and some people still say that god is merciful and kind...
2011-09-22 08:57:10
by: Pus - HLTV.org
#1391
Faith means not wanting to know what is true. — Friedrich Nietzsche
2011-11-10 19:43:58
+1
2012-02-23 15:39:04
yes I believe
2010-11-09 19:24:52
I don't know whether god exists or not, all i know is when i ask someone to provide evidence of god's existence they can't, no matter who i ask.

Now i really don't care about it, coz if god really exists, he doesn't deserve the shitload of attention he gets , i don't even think we human should care about it : seriously if he was that great he wouldn't let us in this shit called earth.
2010-11-09 19:28:49
ask Dr.Zakir Naik
2010-11-09 19:43:23
Dr Zakir Naik is a joke
2012-04-12 15:11:49
More people have died in the name of God than any other. God even outclass Hitler and Stalin in Most-killed, quite an accomplishment from your dear god...
2010-11-09 19:29:16
God..yea

Post edited 2010-11-09 19:34:12
2010-11-09 19:30:06
YES ofc the thing that ISLAM AND CHRIST AND OTHEER THINGS ITS DUE THAT GOD IS PRESENT !! BELIEVE IT
2010-11-09 19:42:28
This is a thread that I could wrote a book about, do I believe in god? lol well, of course not, and I´ll try to brief it here. I think God is just a way (an easy one)of explain facts and things that we already have no clue or evidencies for it´s happening, or explanation... Still, all over the years, since XVIII century when the tecnology and development add a boost, that failed more than once, example, how to explain the formation of mountains? 200 years ago, God would be the answer. Today, we know about tectonic plates, physics laws... But there are thousands more, Earth the center of the universe (wrong!), Earth is flat (wrong!), all species were created by God (wrong! thanks Darwin for this one). I´m just generalizing here for Christianism coz it´s the most spread one but all other religions can´t get it better either. People must understand that the easiest way is not always the right one, and religion is a natural process for Humanity to TRY understand the world around, but please, we are in 2010. Give me ONE good and solid argument of God´s existance and I will withdraw everything that I just said.
2010-11-09 19:43:51
I´m just generalizing here for Christianism coz it´s the most spread one but all other religions can´t get it better either I don't even need to argue with you as you don't make any sense
2010-11-09 19:47:54
What I meant here was that neither Christianism or all the others religions couldn´t give proofs of their thoughts and beliefs, like, they can properly argue about the existence of God. Sory about the misspelling, but can you get it now?
2010-11-09 19:52:32
If I understood what you are saying, you are basing all your ideas from Christianity? other religions gave proofs it's just that humans are too lazy to look for them. Just because they don't want to pray, they don't want the religions to be true, they don't want god to exist. Because they want to enjoy their life to the max, they want to do things that are forbidden in religions.
2010-11-09 20:02:30
If you don't want to drink alcohol, have sex outside marriage or eat pork that's your thing. But don't tell me that makes you moraly superior to me.
2010-11-09 21:50:17
I didn't say religion makes me better or worse than you nor have I tried to make you change your religion
2010-11-09 22:15:20
I don't have a religion nor do I believe in god. And abou that morality compass I've seen earlier. Why people don't steal, kill or rape. Well If someone doesn't do all those things because It's in some holy book that makes him a hypocrite and a terrible person. I don't do those things cause it's inhumane and immoral in my perception of morality, that has nothing to do with religious morality. For example I accept people with different sexual orientation something that religions aren't willing to do.
2010-11-09 22:22:19
Probably because it's something so dumb that even animals don't do it. It's simple men and women complete each other why would you even think of becoming homosexual? You say you don't do these things because they are inhuman are you kidding? Why is it inhuman to kill your father? It may sound bad for you but that doesn't mean it's same for others. Because not everyone grows up in the same environment. There are people who find it completely natural to steal from others. Also you said in another post that theories about moonlight existed way before Islam. Ok how about all the other evidence in Quran? How could anybody know 1400 years ago how a human body was created inside the mother? Another one did you know that a fly has a wing containing a poison and the other one contains its antidote? Did you know that a mosquitto are actually two insects? One really small on the head of the visible one that controlls the body during the night? These may look like stupid proofs for you still they are proofs and there are way better proofs that I couldn't write due to my bad english and lack of vocabulary.
2010-11-10 14:43:53
And it's said in quran that salt water and normal water don't mix. Wanna try checking that theory? You just post fractions of this book and think you're gonna inlighten all of us. When quran was written human kind already developed something called science. There were freethinkers that were seeking for answeres. You think god came to Muhammad and realized that the word of good should contain stories about bugs? Egiptian monks thousands years before islam was invented could calcute moon fases, months and even years before eclipses. Cause they've had scientists. You know how they used that knowledge?! To keep people in line. The things they could comprehend they used to establish their power. Things they couldn't , well it's god's will. Great that quran has some scientific marvels , that were marvels 1400 years ago. But the things is, you should go to a library and read about those and you'll see that quran isn't the first place were those came up. Like with the moonlight. It's easy to check and yet people still think it's accurate. Cause not many people bother to check god's word.

Post edited 2010-11-10 15:03:30
2010-11-10 15:00:56
Maybe not, but imagine if refug^ is your pastor to the church that you frequent. If that pastor drink alcohol(and you see hem doing that), have sex into a bordel(and you see hem entering/going out that place), eat many shets, what do you think? It's moral for that pastor to came sunday at the church and preach you what's good or wrong?
2012-02-26 13:23:51
First of all, religion's name is "Christianity", not "Christianism". Second of all, I must admit you have some point, but I'd like you to explain me how you got number six six six along with your nickname?
2010-11-09 21:48:16
666 six hundred and sixty six
It's a number that goes after 665 and before 667
You can type it by repeatedly hitting 6(six) on your keyboard 3 times.
2010-11-10 21:54:10
You weren't the one who was asked. Do not answer in other people's name. Thanks in advance.
2010-11-10 22:03:44
no problem
2010-11-10 23:36:48
+1
2010-11-09 20:02:02
yes, I believe in f0rest.
2010-11-09 19:46:33
nc

Post edited 2010-11-09 19:47:05
2010-11-09 19:46:55
No.
That whole god thing was created keep people under control. Nowadays in our highly evolved scientific society, people still believe that there is a superior "person" controlling all of our moves and if if don't go by his rulebooks we will punished.

I'm amazed how can this stands on a nowadays society...

Post edited 2010-11-09 19:55:37
2010-11-09 19:51:14
Hmm okay so according to what you said society is like a religion then? Why do you follow its rules? Why don't you steal things you desire but can't buy? Why when you meet a beautiful women in the street you don't grab her and rape her right there? I mean nobody says these are bad things right? You could take a knife and kill someone just because you felt like it. Why does society even make rules against them? Maybe because they think for the good of all people not only you? For example when you see in god's "rulebooks" that having sex before marriage is forbidden. Why such a stupid rule? I'm mean it's okay to make a woman that got fucked 30times in her life your wife. Can I ask you a question since you don't believe in god? Who created you? Why? And what happens after death as there is no heaven or hell according to you.
2010-11-09 20:23:50
First of all, my point was, people believe in a person that lives up there and is controlling us never said that rules exist for nothing.

I believe in a rulebook that society created, because it's a person, not a "thing" which i never saw it and never showed him self.


Who created you?
No one, i belive in coincidences.

Why?
I find it funny, when you study the Aztec, Inca societys etc and people laugh because they used to do human sacrifices to god, when on the present people give big amounts of money to the church. I don't doubt that the Vatican is the richest "Institution" (What ever you call it) on earth.

Why i should believe on something that was created thousands years ago and doesn't makes any sense?

People starving to death in some regions...
Natural catastrophes that kill families...
And what is the answer?
To test our faith.

Terrorism...
Why doesn't he expels terrorists out of the earth? or throws them to hell?


And what happens after death as there is no heaven or hell according to you.
Don't know never tried it, but i think that you just close your eyes and your consciousness terminates.

Now since i answered your questions let me ask you some.

Why do you believe it?

If there is Heaven and hell why do we come to earth in the first place?

What is our purpose, all we do is work, work, work...

Cheers.
2010-11-09 20:49:15
you can add:

Why "he" allows evil to exist?

Why god people suffer?

Why bad people are rich?

etc...
2010-11-09 21:08:12
He said it.. to test our faith.
2010-11-10 21:00:08
so are you saying that God makes/watch people suffer just to see if we believe or like "him"?

I can call that "your god" likes games, or he's just upset, or wants to have some fun...do you understand what I want to say?


So, for example, I can beat up my dog, if after the beat he doesn't like me, I can kill him? (in this case the person goes to hell)
2010-11-10 21:16:22
Why would God suppose to control us? Imagine you take one box and put ants in it. You would be interested in knowing how would they act together, what would they do, where they will go, right? Would you leave them on their own, or would you move them as soon as something goes wrong? It may be a stupid comparing, but I think you get my point.
2010-11-09 21:55:54
First you need to know that religions are different. Christianity is different from Islam.

Why do you believe it?

Because I got proofs. Like I said in another post people are just too lazy to look for evidence. There are many proofs written in the Quran that were discovered by scientist not long ago. Here are some and yes only some of them in the video posted by Solid Snake http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2s14T6x5AM just to save some time.

If there is Heaven and hell why do we come to earth in the first place?

People choose in the earth what they want. They can either pray and follow the "rulebooks" or follow their bodies' desirs. You tell me bad people should go to hell directly? Don't you feel like you can change your future? Like in the very next second you could believe in God or the opposite. Wouldn't it be unfair just to send people to hell directly? You can decide on your own which path you want to follow.

The purpose? Well in Islam the purpose is to pray to earn your place in heaven. When God forbid something it isn't to test you but it's because it's good for you believe it or not. You are talking about natural catastrophes , terrorism... You know this isn't heaven this is more like a prelife. A life that seems so long yet it last few seconds. Your heart could freeze the next second and this life would be all over. You can even live over 100y still if I ask you how many days have you been alive what would you say? like 3or 4 days? You say that all we do is to work , you know you work to stay alive, you can stop working anytime and there are many good things in the life that aren't forbidden that you probably enjoy each day, why don't you thank God for them? It's always like this people involve God only when bad things happen, but they never thank God when something good happens to them.

And about the first and last question I asked I don't really think these are serious answers.
2010-11-10 00:22:57
Do you think all babies go to heaven if they die? No matter their religion?
2010-11-10 21:56:39
Ok it's your choice to believe or not to believed, but if we haven't had scientist that run away from Inquisition, probably the present world in what you live wouldn't be the same, think on that...

Earth would still be the centre of the universe, laws of physic wouldn't exist...

Watch this and then reflect to yourself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNf-P_5u_Hw

This is my last reply to this thread, this subject is always controversial, i would reply to you and you to me and this would never end.

Cheers.
2010-11-10 21:18:55
Who said that this "superior person" as you say, is controlling your moves or you'll be punished if "doing wrong"? God means "LOVE", so here enters the term "forgiveness". God loves you, he wants you to live forever and not to die. He created you because of love. Another term comes, as "free will". So make whatever you think is good for you.
2012-02-26 13:32:54
oh come on :D
read some Quran and you will find all the answers :) trust me !
2010-11-09 20:05:08
+123123123123123
2010-11-09 21:50:22
+million
2010-11-09 21:59:30
+571
2011-09-21 02:17:13
+1111111
2012-02-25 12:30:12
"God" is just the name our ancestors gave to the aliens that assisted us in the progression of our evolution and advancement as a species on planet earth. the only way they could describe them was as "Gods", and the name just held through the years. now here we are today believing the same things as what were the equivalent of cavemen.
2010-11-09 20:05:10
Yes, finally!
2010-11-09 23:40:47
They said Buckethead was a God, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adV8-_hgL4g
2010-11-09 20:44:02
It is.... the god of te FUCKING NICE SOLOS.
2010-11-09 22:01:01
FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER 8-|
2010-11-09 20:54:40
ADMIN THREAD IS POINTLESS CLOSE IT
2010-11-09 21:04:37
+1
2010-11-09 21:12:49
why is pointless? we can only talk about cs?

Post edited 2010-11-09 21:21:06
2010-11-09 21:20:52
because it's more like an insult other religion thread then discuss most people here are immature kids saying nonsense
2010-11-09 21:29:38
that's true that with kids but tell me where aren't kids like this :{
2010-11-09 21:35:55
If you study religion and it's origin, you get to the point where it becomes a hoax and a farse. And I'm not going to apologize cause some people treat this topic like it's untouchable. When the truth became less important than sensibility?!
2010-11-09 21:56:10
so it's no pointless, it's in truth hard to have a serious debate.
But i understand what you want to say. I agree
2010-11-09 21:34:48
I could give so convincing arguments about why "god" doesn't exists that you would loose your entire mind and belife. =)

Here is one: That day you realised that santa didnt exist, what did you do then? Exactly, you cried. As I think, at a sertant point of IQ you will figure out by your self that there is no santa. I belive that it's the same thing for religion (Christianity (spelling?)). The smarter you'll get, it will become more obvious that religion is just fiction.

Think about it. And then go cry in a corner.

Best Wishes: your Ateist;

HAPPYcolt^
2010-11-09 21:47:02
by: 3rd
#327
ROFL what a funny argument but for some reason I still believe in God how comes?
2010-11-09 21:52:04
Its really expected, since you're Russian
2011-09-20 23:04:29
maybe you should give this argument to the whole church and than everybody who was christian would stop believing and start to be ateist
2010-11-09 21:55:37
I dont go near churshes, except for when I'm wisiting relatives =)
2010-11-09 22:08:05
fail.
2010-11-09 21:56:49
religion its a love history.
The guy/guys who wrote the bible, could be a fantastic cinema director indeed.
My opinion guys, dont start to attack me.
2010-11-09 21:56:37
the bible is distorted..
2010-11-09 21:58:48
c'mon every one knows deep inside, that humans must have something to believe, to "fight" to, to put the fold when you make wrong choices, when something bad happens.
thats why there is a "God".
The guy who made the bible, was one of the billions humans that needed to believe in something.
Fiction, love history, facts.
all in one book, smart guy.
2010-11-09 22:06:01
the bible supposed to be something that god said, not some nolife guy :) plus it talks about some stupid things sometimes.. and othertimes you can find some stuff that is mentioned in all other books like Quran.
for example : "and to the dust we shall all return"
or something like that.. this sentence is founded in every book :)
I invite you to take some time and read Quran, promise you you will be amazed :) just give it a try would you ?
2010-11-09 22:10:58
yes if i had time I would read it, but like you said, things that are in all other books... they just copy each other and make they version of the things.
and people believe in that etc, because they join FACTS with fiction, and love history. anyone could just believe it and dream.
I see it as a normal BOOK, not as words of "god"...
:)
2010-11-09 22:16:32
but what you would say if you read something in the 1st century like: 9months, 7skies, moon, the earth is not circular and many other facts that we didn't know untill the nowdays..
just give it some time :)
surely you will be amazed
2010-11-09 22:22:27
The facts that are in quran were known to humankind before.
2012-04-12 15:18:20
+1000 Bravo

Post edited 2010-11-09 22:05:23
2010-11-09 22:04:29
Haha how is this guy a Doctor?
2010-11-10 07:42:35
where is god? why people day in the war?? why '?
2010-11-09 21:58:00
because people kill themselves not God kills them? and why God allow them to do that? because then God created Human he gaved them free will and it means all human can do whatever he wants :)
2010-11-09 22:07:43
That's the exact answer

Alot of people is saying that too
Like why God wouldnt help us if the CO2 gets stronger or animals die because the air is not fresh enough

God wouldnt help that because we caused the damage by our own
2010-11-09 22:32:17
Lol

Post edited 2010-11-09 22:04:44
2010-11-09 22:04:07
One day, I was goind home from school, and i was just thinking what my teacher said on physics lesson (i hope i wrote it well :S) and there must be something what created everything, because a lot of billion times ago, before the "Big Bang" happened, there must have been something that created it. I mean, molecules and atoms wont just be created by themselves! So because of this theory, I Believe In God! :)
2010-11-09 22:04:17
you solved the problem... to easy dont you think?
c'mon, other small things or bigger things created the atoms and molecules, not a "god"...
2010-11-09 22:09:49
i dont think so :) i've already told why i believe in God, and if you dont agree with me, well... what can I do? in my opinion nobody can be influenced by somebody else via internet, so i'll still keep your disbelief in respect, because human being is the only living creature that can make choices, that has its own will, and this is your choice :) If you can mention something which could really create the first atoms then i'm all ears :D

Edit: ohh and by the way my opinion is that God just simply created this whole thing, but he doesn't control it, it is the humanity's task. and maybe the big bang was also caused by intelligent life, so this is my point of view :D

Post edited 2010-11-10 00:16:50
2010-11-10 00:09:33
true true, that's a start :)
keep on believing dude :)
2010-11-09 22:11:30
it's kinda like this : http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_apr2006/EvolutionOfMan.jpg :D:D:D:D
2010-11-09 22:11:07
No, I dont believe in god because im not supersticious and if you think im a skeptical just be smart. Do you really think God made the Earth and the Universe? No, actually the Universe can have an implosion at anytime without any warning or notice. When you pray to God, he always wins, f.e I pray that I get rich

Answer 1: My prayer was succesful

Answer 2: It was asking for too much

Answer 3: Wait

As you see, God cannot loose, therefore people continue to follow the path of stupidity and superstition...

If God really existed, do you think financial crisis would ever exist? Or global warming? Or any other situation...

Another example:

There are 10 people with cancer. The survival rate is 10%. All of them pray to God to survive and 1 lives and 9 die. Then they say:

I prayed to God and he helped me!

I say you survived according to odds and probablity of success.

As you see, God doesn't exist and everyone who thinks it does isn't thinking straight...
2010-11-09 22:14:00
imagine the world without problems and everyone gets what he wants.. then whats the meaning of life
and WHAT THE F*CK IS LEFT FOR HEAVEN ?
2010-11-09 22:18:24
+1
2010-11-09 22:37:45
Sorry, but what has God te deal with things what are outside nature?

Financial Crisis has nothing to deal with the nature.

We created a mess where we get killed.
The Northpole is melting (Caused by human)
The Tsunami (caused by human)
Those are 2 examples where you can discuss about, but the problem will never be solved
2010-11-09 22:35:34
just think about what you have just written there and i think that everything is caused by ppl,, i have said it many times that people have their free will and they can do whatever they want,, Do you think that it would be good if all what you ask for you will be given? it would make people even more lazy than they are now
2010-11-09 22:41:48
KornPortugal

It's the aim of God. He punishhes people who behave bad. Remember Egipt 10 plagues ? Why ? Because pharaoh was bad. Sry for my eng bro : )

ps; for my pol brothers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDSWNWsOVE4&feature=related

Polish magician, soothsayer, Baba wanga, Nostradamus told that world war III begin tomorrow !
2010-11-09 22:18:57
No, science is a bit 2 late ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2s14T6x5AM
2010-11-09 22:20:09
10th time that gets posted...
2010-11-10 01:06:35
just one thing that has just came to my mind
to all guys who don't believe in God or so i have something for you

I just want to explain what believe is, or how i feel it.

Believe is about the evidences but it's about trust faith and love. F.E, if you tell your best friend some secret you have clearly evidences that he won't tell it anybody? no you don't. You trust him.

For me God is somebody i can rely in and somebody who can I trust everytime,, it doesn't matter if i am rich or poor, healthy or ill etc. Everytime i fall he helps me to stand on my our feet and he gives me another chance..
Isn't this just amazing?

i know that for some of us it sound just ridiculous but for me it is something really strong and i hope you guys can understand something like this :}}

that's all i wanted to say
2010-11-09 22:36:08
The end this,

God cannot be proved, nor can he be slated for not being real.

So it's stale mate,

Unlucky lads.
2010-11-09 22:39:14
The spaghetti monster is also a stale then
2010-11-10 01:11:04
God excist for a longtime, 1000 years
Why would it fake, claiming that God doesnt exicst
After so many years, someone told that God doesn't exicst and in the past years so many people wouldnt believe and that's how people are Athiest
2010-11-09 22:40:44
Please make rational arguments for or against. This isn't one of them.
2010-11-10 14:10:39
I don't mean that this is a fact, this is just a fiction but what if its true?
(excuse for my bad english)
2010-11-10 16:43:21
I was praying to god and what? He didn't answer my asking... even one fuck1ing time when i really needed him.
So now I'm not a bad person, but i don't belive in god anymore. If he is, why he doesn't help us? You know for me it's so stupid... Somebody made this story long time ago and now everybody believe. The best is "the faith base on believing that god really exist. You have to trust him and believe"
It's really good way to gather many people and make them a "god defenders"
It's just an evolution, there isn't any god(in my opinion)
Peace
P.S It's also very interesting that a lot of people from all around the world believe in the same "thing", if so many things divide us :) or maybe not, as we can see on this website.

Post edited 2010-11-09 22:53:29
2010-11-09 22:50:11
I don't know what to believe anymore.
2010-11-09 23:05:32
Believe in Kosmo!
2010-11-09 23:42:38
mashallah, yes I also posted this (367), also watch some other video of him.
2010-11-09 23:23:45
glad u posted ... i didn't watch comments at all :)
2010-11-09 23:24:56
I'm surprised how strong are the arguments that he gives!!!!!!!!11
2011-11-13 06:01:04
Seriously, i'm still amazed that people still believe in god. Wake up people, it's 2010.
2010-11-09 23:31:17
You're the one who need to open your eyes. Will it kill you to watch 1 video of 9 min?
2010-11-09 23:34:56
Oh yeah, so i should believe this arabian guy talking nonsense? Get real.
2010-11-09 23:36:50
Nonsense? It's not just muslims listening to him, and it's about that science is WAY 2 late to explain for example the shape of the Earth, the light of the moon, etc. He explain everything, take a look.
2010-11-09 23:39:14
Theory about moonlight was constructed way before islam was born.
2010-11-10 14:09:12
Proof? And everyone can come up with theories man, just don't start.
2010-11-10 15:30:03
Anaxagoras came up with it. And please tell me what empirical proof does quran have to support it's theory?!
2010-11-10 15:38:36
Didn't you watch the video?
2010-11-10 15:44:52
I just told you. The theory was produced thousand years before islam ago and was repeated in quran. With a vage descition of how moon reflect sunlight. So it's just a theory as Acanogoras's theory. Only repeated. So i don't get your point?!
2010-11-10 15:58:25
i've watched the videos ... 4 or 5 of them ...
+#553 is right ... anaxagoras came up with it first ...
Dr. Naik is a very good orator and presenter ... i respect him for that ... but he is also a manipulator and significantly arrogant ! so kudos to those who believe him !
2011-09-22 21:02:07
What video? That one of Zakir something?

#1297
2011-09-24 23:14:24
You post videos that doesn't show any evidence of god and i bet you don't even understand it yourself. Hahah

Post edited 2010-11-10 00:15:13
2010-11-10 00:13:58
what kind of evidence do u whant? do u want god to talk to u ? stupid guy ...if u really think u`r here because of evolution of some cells ..then u`r really really stupid ...everything is created for a reason=>we are here to believe in god who created us to get sacrificed for him so that in the afterlife we can join paradise :)
2010-11-10 10:28:39
There's plenty of evidence that evolution started life on Earth, and there is not a SINGLE evidence of god being real or anything to do with him/her/it, so just shut up. You clearly don't know what you are talking about.

Post edited 2010-11-10 23:57:04
2010-11-10 23:53:52
hahaha... please dont embarrass yourself. You re ignorant. How can you said someone else that he is stupid becouse of diffrent opinion then yours. Please tell me, has it been written in Quran when first people were created? Becouse i can send articule were scientist excavated human fossils from 160000 b.n.e .
2011-09-21 00:17:00
Well, then go to paradise, and make us a favor...
2011-09-22 09:02:55
haha :P
2011-09-25 01:40:35
"How many random events would have been required for life to evolve"

Well, do you know how much time ago there was the Big Bang and how much time ago happeared the first life form on Earth? I would say that in that gap of time happened a lot of random events don't you think?


"If we witnessed a dancing chair, moving on its own and self aware"

He is talking about how God gave us thinking abilities, and he proves it with the example of a dancing chair? Won't even comment...


"The Second - There is an ifinite number of universes, with different constants. If there is an infinite number of universes, there must be one with the correct constants (Yupi! lucky us). And my reply to those scientists is:
"If the number of universes is infinite then the probability of an event happening in ONE of those universes is ZERO. What are the chances of us evolving in one universe out of an infinite number of universes? ZERO".
According to the infinite universes theory, we couldn0t evolve, but we are here!"

Well, this is stupid because if there is an infinite number of universes with different constants you can compare it to the infinite number of planets in this universe, not all of them have life, but we are in one that can have life due to so many factors, so, I don't get the point of that guy's answer to that theory.


Then there is some quotes of great scientists about God, well I actually cannot say all of them are wrong, because I'm not sure, but I don't agree with some also, but their arguments have some logic, and they are not talking about that God you think there is that created Earth some thousands years ago.

Post edited 2011-09-24 23:38:02
2011-09-24 23:36:51
!!!!
2010-11-10 01:01:21
sorry, dude, but hating the people who believe in god is so not 2010.
2010-11-10 01:24:41
So u mean ..we should be wearin some high tech clothes by now, N if u are not wearin it.. I can ask u why the heck are u wearin these cotton clothes...Duh its 2010 :\
2010-11-11 01:16:03
I believe in science, and thats it. It is okey, that people believe in god, I have nothing against it. I just don't believe myself :)

Post edited 2010-11-09 23:50:03
2010-11-09 23:48:48
That's full of lies, and it's funny that it contains quotes from atheists

Post edited 2010-11-10 01:03:51
2010-11-10 01:03:36
everything u don`t want to believe is a lie?
the foolishness of human being has no confines -albert einstein
2010-11-10 10:31:22
Saying you've got a scientif proof of god's existance is a lie from the start, as noone will ever have one.

Post edited 2010-11-10 18:59:06
2010-11-10 18:58:58
is this a reason not to believe in god?
2010-11-10 20:12:08
Of course not, there are loads of reasons not to believe in god but this is not one of them
2010-11-11 00:40:11
I don't even see the goal of this topic, everybody can believe in what he wants it's his life after all.
2010-11-10 00:56:27
Guys!!!

God are veri bed, he kil mani people. More people have died in the name of god than in Hitler and stalins name!!! So god is moar monster than them((

he jus kills, why we no be happi and peece? :(
2010-11-10 01:04:23
by: 3rd
#430
cuz this ain't heaven dumbass and cuz god can do whatever he wants dumbass²
2010-11-10 01:15:25
what about some rest guys, this topic will NEVER be answerd until death
2010-11-10 01:15:49
i, personally, don't believe in god. you guys wanna believe in god that's fine by me, i won't think worse of you nor will i make fun of you, that's you decision and maybe it's a good one, i have no idea.
2010-11-10 01:22:48
My Theory (with as much support as I can think of right now):

* If God exists, God must by necessity be infinite.

- Support: (If you can call it that...it’s from the Bible...) - “Great is our Lord, and abundant in strength; His understanding is infinite" - Psalm 147:5.

* If God is infinite, God must be everywhere, everyone, everything at all times

- Support: Nothing can be independent of a substance that is infinite.

* If God is infinite, you are God, and him and her and that and it, etc.

- Support: Again, infinite...you and I would be God not in part but entirely.

If God exists and is not infinite, if there exists another substance, God like everyone else is subject to death. Hence the famous Nietzsche line “God is dead” (these theories on the infinity of God came to me by way of Spinoza whose writings heavily influenced Nietzsche).


With that said there seems to be too much ranting of blind faith and pure spite on this board, both claiming that they’re right without giving really credible reasons. So might I suggest that some of you:

Consider the Harlan Ellison comment: “You are not entitled to your opinion; you are, however, entitled to your informed opinion”

and

Read some books!!! More than just one mere Dawkins or Nietzsche or Bible. I suggest David Hume’s Dialogues Concerning Natural Religion and Spinoza’s Ethics (Einstein said that if he were ever to believe in God it would be Spinoza’s definition of an infinite, non-intervening One; Spinoza can also be read by both religious and irreligious alike as he is said to be both “The Greatest Atheist” and “The Greatest Christian (or Jew)).


And for those who want to know what some smart people think about religion and the concept of God, go here:

http://www.eoht.info/page/IQ%3A+200%2B (scroll 2/3rd's of the way down)
2010-11-10 01:27:36
interesting
2010-11-10 07:40:08
That's what my phylosophy teacher said, I kinda agree actually.
2011-09-20 23:09:39
no.
practically everything in the bible is taken from another or previous religion.. fact.

but believe what you want ^^

2010-11-10 01:59:47
troll thread from the beginning
2010-11-10 02:11:54
agnostics are fucking pussies.
atheists are agnostics with balls to make up their mind.
no i do not believe in god, because so far there is no reason to show this belief
2010-11-10 02:40:08
I suggest closing this thread, and restrict religion, or any thread related to God.

This is more ridiculous than the wars out there because someone has a different opinion.. This just shows how stupid, immature and ignorant people is, start insulting each other because they think different.

Yes, i do believe in God, and my opinion is atheist are going to burn in hell.. so what you gonna do about that? it's my opinion, not gonna change because you don't like it.

Period.

(I also respect others people opinion about that there's no God.)

Post edited 2010-11-10 03:38:10
2010-11-10 03:36:46
so, do you think I am going to burn in hell? I do not believe in God. Do you believe/want me to burn in hell? wow what a nice religion you've got there "COME WITH ME, OR YOU WILL SUFFER FOREVER". I don't believe in God, and I don't want to believers burn in hell, or suffer, why believers think that we, the non-believers, will suffer? just fucking scares me.
2010-11-10 07:42:38
Lol read your comment before posting it. You just insulted yourself
2011-09-20 22:56:00
God sends you a hug.
2011-09-21 02:19:49
New slogan for majority parties:

"COME WITH ME, OR YOU WILL SUFFER FOREVER"
2011-11-10 23:34:14
Feel sorry for you...
2011-09-22 09:04:18
i am a muslim and i believe in God... and no atheist can change my views.... none watsoever...
2010-11-10 04:38:32
Then explain: Why is it that your God is the right God?
2010-11-10 10:43:54
There's no other Gods than Allah, and I've posted 100 videos above.

This topic is also about religion, I've not seen any muslims turn out to become a non-believer, but I've seen many christians. Why? Maybe they finally found out something doesn't make sense, see the point? It's about religion too.
2010-11-10 11:01:43
Muslims are not turning into non-believers because they are manipulated. There is no other God? What about Egyptian Gods, Roman Gods, Nordic Gods, God in Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Why is ALLAH the true God, EXPLAIN THAT
2010-11-10 11:13:29
Again, I've posted 3 videos of this matter. That is because I'm too lazy to write a novel to someone who is confused, even though the evidence is right there, you will not believe. I'm telling you, watch these 3 videos Ok? If you still have question, read the Quran, please.
<A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2s14T6x5AM">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2s14T6x5AM</A>
<A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Pmj1-bRPZQ&feature=related">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Pmj1-bRPZQ&feature=related</A>
<A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S_A9ERJWN0">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S_A9ERJWN0</A>

Reply back to me when ur done

Post edited 2010-11-10 11:27:12
2010-11-10 11:25:52
To someone who is confused? Who is confused? I'm in school now, I'll watch the videos when i come home.

"If you still have question, read the Quran" I feel sorry for you, mate. Hope you open your eyes some day. You can't refer to the Quran about this question. Then I can refer to the Bible which states that the christian God is the true one. The Quran isn't a valid source. The bible isn't a valid source either.

And about the evidence, no there are no evidence besides the "facts" in the Quran. Show me real evidence, I doubt that some random muslim convinces me.
2010-11-10 11:43:28
the christian's god and the muslim's god is one :)
the two religions complete themselves, but the bible is distorted, Quran is not !
trust me, just like the other guy said: read the book and you will find out that no human can write it, on the otherhand the bible is distorted in many of it parts.
2010-11-10 12:08:39
nicely said +1
2010-11-10 16:58:04
seriously..are u a muslim ??
2010-11-14 15:48:59
by: 3rd
#710
han är inte från Sverige
2010-11-14 15:51:19
seriously..am not swedish..so english plz !!
2010-11-14 16:00:28
by: 3rd
#716
...
2010-11-14 16:04:01
du e inte också
2011-09-20 23:09:34
yes I'am :)
2010-11-14 16:45:51
About the big bang theory thing he talks about in the first video:
<a href="http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100918050305AAs29in">http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100918050305AAs29in</a>

Furthermore, the quran can't be translated to English.

But of course no man could write it. It was definitely an angel who gave a prophet. That makes sense.

Show me proof of Islam (or any other religion) without refering to a biased book. If there was a God we should have proof of Him, without a book, by now.

Oh well, live your pathetic and manipulating lives, who cares. Just don't destroy the world, even though it is impossible to avoid.

Show me a proof and I'll convert.

Edit: Also a reply to Gun4s.

Post edited 2010-11-10 13:00:23
2010-11-10 12:53:37
The first video refers exactly to what you want to know. He explains that in the Quran, it says about the shape of the earth, it says about the planets, stars, universe - where NOW scientists is getting the answers.
So tell me, how could people know the shape of the earth, how could they know how many planets there are, I mean there was no spaceships that time so they could investigate.
2010-11-10 13:57:46
Ok the muslims are right, there is a God, happy?
2010-11-10 15:05:21
Dude there are things written in the Quran which existed for 1400 years that scientist discovered just recently what more evidence do you want? I mean it's okay if it was 1 or 2 or 3 it could be just luck but the Quran is full of proofs. Do you want God to appear in front of you and tell you that he exists? You are acting way too arrogant it's YOUR future that depends on it. And try to read the Quran in arabic and in english then see the difference.
2010-11-10 14:13:55
My future in what way?
2010-11-10 15:06:09
Well he means, this life is temporary, and you win paradise by this life. The next life is permanent. You will then regret, but it'll be 2 late.
+I can go on telling you alot about Islam, and that you will find everything logical(everything makes sense). This is 1 reason why muslims don't convert to other religions EVEN THOUGH media makes us look bad, and we get bad reputation. (Hope you understand this) :P
No offense to other religions, I respect them. :)
2010-11-10 15:43:42
I do respect religions too, but you see, there has been a growing immigration of muslims into "my" country. They have gained HUGE influence in Danish culture, and "we" don't like it.

I don't think there are that many "real" christians or believers in my country (they call themselves christians due to tradition and a result of their upbringing), which is why it is so amazingly weird to understand why some people (muslims) are so dedicated to their religion. Thats how I see it. I can't speak for everyone, but thats how i see it.

"Well he means, this life is temporary, and you win paradise by this life. The next life is permanent. You will then regret, but it'll be 2 late."
I think:
I know the Quran was written after the Bible. The Bible mentioned paradise (and Adam and Eve)and so on, but how would the bible know of these names before the Quran was written (considering the Quran is the "right" book"). Anyways, I don't really believe in paradise and so forth, but if it exists my future does NOT look bright. But anyways, I can just pay for a place in heaven according to the Christian belief, so that's what I'm going for :)
2010-11-10 16:04:12
Then let me ask you this; Why do you think Quran come later? It's BECAUSE of people start believing, and filosofing the wrong things. Example for christians, believing in Jesus as God himself.
Quran was brought down to Muhammad a.s from angel Gabriel. Some of the pages in Bible is taken and sorted, + you accept that humans wrote it. Watch pls :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FALhbw6Ef_o&feature=related
2010-11-10 19:43:08
"Some of the pages in Bible is taken and sorted" So it's just a spin-off?
2010-11-10 22:40:55
They really are, and that even christians admit. + you can see debate where a muslim says this, and ask the guy that holds debate for christians, and he says yes some verses/pages are taken out.
2010-11-10 22:44:55
But how can Muslims say that the bible is wrong, when they have taken different verses FROM the bible and implimented it into the Quran?
2010-11-11 09:06:40
Quran is the words of ALLAH (GOD) and the Bible was the words of ALLAH before the distortion.
2011-11-10 21:07:00
Strong proofs.

2011-11-10 22:32:55
I like how you prove that Allah is the only god with 100 youtube videos.
2012-04-12 15:24:17
ok blad, we are all atheists then, you ignore me i ignore you, then f u all im goin home
2010-11-10 05:48:33
i belive :D
2010-11-10 07:33:49
I do not believe in god, just like Nomad said, why should I? just a believe? a blind believe? where is the evidence? oohhhhhh right... the book... THAT book, the BIBLE... yea, god exist, the bible says it!


... who created us? check Darwin studies. We always have to have got a creator? if so, who created god? he just respawned into the nothing and created everything? is there a creator/god of the creator/god and so on? mmmm






bah, no, and btw, the religion is the worst thing ever happend to man-kind
2010-11-10 07:36:50
yes i do!
2010-11-10 10:36:52
i don't believe in an IMAGINARY FRIEND.
2010-11-10 10:41:14
please close this thread , it creates nothing but arguments .... this is hltv.org not orkut where ppl argue about GOD and religion .... and yes i believe in 1 GOD .... PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD
2010-11-10 10:54:19
+1
2010-11-10 11:02:37
Offensive posts are being deleted. There are many intresting points of view here. If you don't like peole challenging religion in a constructive way you shouldn't take part in the disscussion.
2010-11-10 14:04:53
izNoGouD~
2010-11-10 10:59:36
No, i don't believe...
But still there are to many things above peoples understanding... so for me religions is some kind of a way to explain something what's not so easy to understand... we just connect some unusual uncommon things with some mysterious powers...
And as a fact, religion is just a perfect way of manipulating people... those who believe in it, just agree with anything what comes from "God" or whatever without a single doubt...
How can we believe into something that has no evidence of existence and it's just in peoples minds...
2010-11-10 11:21:54
I read so many posts and I am really happy for the frankness in which many have said "They don't believe in God" :)

But I do and I really do believe "God Exists", the reason being there is one aspect which is common to all human beings .... Atheists,Christians , Muslims, Hindus etc...
Comman Nature: At times of desperate trouble or when u face the worst situation and then when ur left alone according to human psychology we start speaking to ourselves, we start grieving and all of a sudden we Gasp outta nowhere.. "Oh God!"

Why? Well that's coz according to all religions it states that humans were created according to God's own image and likeness implying that the spirit within us is same as God , which further implies there is God...

In other words, you don't need to look around to find God and the existense of God, look within you :)
2010-11-10 12:36:09
No, it's because it's a common phrase m8. I've never said "Oh God!" and would never do it. It sounds stupid in Danish... but do you mean speaking out loud or in ours head?

I was a christian for 16 years, but I've never received any response from god in any way at all.

I would say that more people would say "FUUUU*K" instead of "Oh God!" though, but that's just an assumption :)

2010-11-10 12:59:22
I'd say "HOLY SHIT". Does that make a shit being GOD?
2011-09-21 11:35:02
L o L
2010-11-10 12:39:43
I find it pretty amazing when people say they don't believe in god.One can prove the presence by a simple argument.
We have an experience that everthing that exists has a creator.You are created by our father.Your father was created by his father.If you go on like this till the end you can easily understand that there is someone who is the supreme father.The idea is that god is the origin and creator of everything that exists,which is a fact.
Some people say there is no evidence of god.My answer to them is you cannot see god through your blunt material senses.You can't even see youeself.Why do i say so?This is becoz you are spirit soul which is inside your material body.God is supreme spirit,the master of all the tiny spirit souls like us.Spirit is anti matter which cannot be seen or detected through material senses.
2010-11-10 13:20:55
What created god then? :o
2010-11-12 08:47:14
For sure he is real but i am not the best guy to argument that
if you want think the earth is made by a explosion with a nice temperature, oxygen, water the atmosphere and another things :D...
is not catolic , dont pray to maria, do not lean to any image like virgin mary or jesus, god hates it. is more complicated to explain but...the bible say: Call to me and I will respond and I'll show you great and mighty things who still you dont know.
If something interests you, perhaps you do try many times? There are many things we do not know that he can offer those who truly seek Him and of course go to an evangelical church i think.
look for him in spirit and in truth.

Think what you want but he is real you want or not :D .
2010-11-10 13:21:19
Sry, was a reply to 495, forgot the botton

"the bible say: Call to me and I will respond...." do you refer to prayers?

Post edited 2010-11-10 13:35:59
2010-11-10 13:35:34
Lol this is discussion is like "Everyones loves CS, but don't give a damn who developed it" :D :D
2010-11-10 13:58:56
True - with one difference - someone actually did develop CS.
2010-11-10 14:31:26
yes apparently the world was created by coincidence
2010-11-10 14:45:39
Why not?
2010-11-10 15:07:07
maybe this will humble you a bit... http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/8486/spaceh.jpg

and this about coincidence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98OTsYfTt-c
2010-11-10 15:47:28
I think the god isn't real but I can truly say people need to believe in something. Someone of them believe in God, someone else believe in science, and another one believe in reincarnations. Faith is really important component of our lives, and the greatest thing in the whole wide world is, that every one can believe in what he want to and you can't forbid him to do this. I, for example believe in love to other person more than God and I think it's good enough because I can feel that really hard, God isn't something you can touch, see, or something else.

Post edited 2010-11-10 14:38:49
2010-11-10 14:37:34
by: vU
#523
I'll try my best to explain what i think..

creation is like evolution theory
example - amoeba evolved & all living thing were created.

How was amoeba created?
from "xyz" reaction "blah..blah.." was created & this goes on.

So here I believe that everything is created from one unknown thing.
this unknown thing evolved &
universes were created...into it

galaxies were created...into it

solar systems were created...into it

plants were created...in of the plant called "Earth"

amoeba was created which then evolved and all living things were created.



My question is from where did that first unknown thing came from?

May be that first unknown thing was created by GOD or is GOD
2010-11-10 14:52:55
and maybe it wasn't

I'd rather believe I'm stupid and don't know, then assume someone did it. A thing most of you should do.

Post edited 2010-11-10 15:30:29
2010-11-10 15:29:24
and if u say the very first thing was created by God then how did god come into existence ... i mean how was his birth ??... and u can't answer it as the God was there from all the time :P
2010-11-10 15:44:05
by: vU
#558
Our intelligence is not good enough to understand GOD & his creations, this is why questions a raised about GOD and his creation

questions are like Does god exist? How does he look like? How old he is? What & how did he created? goes on.

I've pulled my intelligence this far & these are my answers to you

god isn't human or animal or like any other living thing who are born

Birth and death is for creation not for the creator. GOD is the creator

All believers agree that GOD created everything

"everything" also includes world or any place where something can exist, even time is a thing

GOD is older than time as he created it[my belief]. So you can't ask the age of GOD or his time of existence.

So i can say before anything was created there was only GOD not even place where he exist, Only GOD JUST HIM!.....its impossible to imagine how it looked like.



2010-11-10 16:19:00
you are muslim. I am sure.
2011-11-10 21:50:44
by: vU
#1482
yes :)
2011-11-11 09:43:05
So has any of you lot observed/seen evolution/big-bang/God? . NO.

Nobody knows what will happen, but I have faith in God.

Post edited 2010-11-10 15:13:32
2010-11-10 15:12:34
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#533
There is so much evidence for evolution all around, and it can even easily be observed in bacteria on a very short time scale, so yes.. Also Hubble presented excellent evidence for the big bang... None of these things are made up, they are theories based on EVIDENCE - god is not.
2010-11-10 15:29:43
nomad has got me :DD

Post edited 2010-11-10 15:43:22
2010-11-10 15:32:50
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#536
That is not how evolution works, you will NEVER see a monkey turn into a human.. Please educate yourself before making a fool of yourself, it isn't that hard.
2010-11-10 15:33:59
I mean genetically w/e from time to time.
@spezz: No, I don't see your point?
2010-11-10 15:39:14
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#543
evolution does not work on individuals, you can never see evolution in a single individual, please study it a bit.. :)
2010-11-10 15:41:47
and if u have studied Big bang and as u earlier mentioned that Big bang has an evidence ( i also studied about that evidence) can u please tell me what was it before the Big Bang.. i mean what was there before that preemptive mass point and where was that very small point of mass that burst into universe ?? Something should be outside that point !!

Post edited 2010-11-10 15:50:42
2010-11-10 15:50:00
no one knows that

that doesn't mean you should assume someone did it... just to make my self clear

Post edited 2010-11-10 15:52:23
2010-11-10 15:51:52
well i dont assume that :P

see my comment #547

I m in great confusion whether God exists or not !!
2010-11-10 16:01:20
Explaining the existence of the earth requires that human knows everything. But we don't. This is why we can't explain what existed before the Big Bang. I think this is why religion was created, to "explain" everything, to guide everyone and so on.
2010-11-10 16:08:26
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#559
Time started with the big bang, so there is no before.. But I can apply the very same argument to your god, what was before your god? Who created your god?
2010-11-10 16:20:15
haha i don't know. I dont say that God exists .
see #547
well right now i can only conclude that there are certain things that science can't answer and there are certain questions that denies god's existence and we here live life b/w such uncertainties. The day human would come to know the real fact maybe the life would won't remain same for human !!
2010-11-10 16:31:28
by: vU
#655
The small volume of matter from which universe was created, this event is called big bang, Am i right?

My question is from where did that small volume of matter came from?

GOD is creator of everything which exists, event the natural laws

You are applying natural laws like birth & death of living beings, creation & destroying of things to GOD?

You simply can't apply on GOD because these natural laws are created by him & are applied to living beings & things which exists or i can say every creation of GOD which exists

GOD is creator not the created being, so there is no question about who created GOD
2010-11-11 15:07:14
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#661
The universe defines the natural laws, so your argument can as well be used on that.. I have no idea how, or why, or even if there was a big bang, I just know the evidence points to the universe extending from one small point.. You see I am not afraid to say "I don't know", maybe in 100 years we will know, maybe in a million, maybe never, but resorting to god just because we do not understand something is foolish in my mind. There is no evidence of god, therefore I cannot believe in a god.
2010-11-11 15:44:14
by: vU
#665
As for now that small point is the very first thing ever existed according to Science. Even if they discover that small point came from "xyz", the same question will raise about "xyz". This will go on and always be a mystery for Science.

For us[believers in GOD] it isn't mystery as we can say GOD created that small point from which universe/universes born.

About evidence
I'll again say its a natural thing & is the proof about creation or the created one.

God isn't creation or the created one. He is the creator. So this thing doesn't apply to him. Asking evidence of God's existence is foolish in my mind :P


2010-11-11 18:25:38
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#668
Well that is a little unfair, god can come out of nothing, but the universe cannot? What is with the double standards?
2010-11-11 18:54:11
Nomad you sound like you don't want to believe in God. You have to know that God doesn't need people and that the proofs are everywhere. It's like you are looking at a red wall and saying it's blue.
2010-11-11 19:03:13
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#672
No it is not, what proof exists? Please point me to something, time and time again the proof that religion claim proves that god exists have been refuted by science, so let us hear it, what evidence exists?
2010-11-11 19:08:39
Nomad, you should've realized already that it's so useless to argue with people who believes in god.
2011-09-20 23:15:57
Hey dude, someone stole my underwear. Since i dont know who stole it, i will say God did it. Because i believe in God and i dont see any evidence of the theft.
2011-09-22 17:40:15
by: vU
#1199
there's no evidence of theft but still your underwear is stolen as you stated. Same is with God's existence, there's no evidence yet God exists.

Re-read my comments if you didn't get it.
2011-09-23 07:46:48
How can u be sure without any evidence. Anything being stolen proves that someone stole it. A rock cannot steal so its obviously a human.

Same with nature. We have proofs all around us how did universe got created and i dont see any help from God in that. So there is no evidence that there is God. Believing in God is just like giving hope to your inner self that you are safe in this world, nothing more nthing less.

Can you tell me how does God look like?
2011-09-23 19:25:26
I didn´t get it. If there is no evidence then how come god exists?
2012-04-10 22:43:05
So you really think there is nothing else except this life? No higher consciousness? No afterlife? Excuse me, but that is plain stupid. You seek proof for the existence of God? Again, plain stupid. You cannot prove it exists, just like you cannot prove it doesn't.
Oh, and.. you guys, please STOP it with the hole Universe thing, given the fact that we don't know jack shit about it.
2011-09-20 22:19:14
FUUUUUUUUCK!

"So you really think there is nothing else except this life? No higher consciousness? No afterlife? Excuse me, but that is plain stupid."

Why is it stupid to think there is no god and no afterlife?
Why should i believe there exist such things?

"Oh, and.. you guys, please STOP it with the hole Universe thing, given the fact that we don't know jack shit about it."

I won't argue with the fact that YOU know jack shit about it.
But you are wrong, we do know some things about the universe.

2011-09-21 13:16:52
Well time may have started during the big bang so there might have been no before it.
2010-11-12 08:50:00
Can you just tell me what created God then? Thanks.
2011-09-20 21:50:50
Have you ever observed/seen your parents having intercourse? NO(i hope)

Well then i guess you see my point.
2010-11-10 15:36:16
maybe i didn't use the best comparison, but i guess it works in a way too ;)
2010-11-10 15:38:30
It's hilarious to see all the nutjobs arguing for Gods existance, with just words. Get some facts. And NO, the Bible and the Qu'ran are not facts, just pure... wait for it... FICTION!

God - the harbringer of death, if anything.

Post edited 2010-11-10 15:43:54
2010-11-10 15:39:32
One word: Manipulation
2010-11-10 15:42:55
No, I dont.
2010-11-10 16:06:10
Religion is, and has always been a tool for controling big groups of people. Why do you think many of the kings in earlier Europe was so obsessed about christianizing the society? Go figure.


I recommend you all to watch Zeitgeist 1 on youtube. The first part, about religion, is very interesting. The other parts are very interesting as well, but aren't totally based on facts. It's really an eye opener, even though every bit of it may not be true.
2010-11-10 16:42:11
btw. before people start linking zeitgeist debunked videos, I've seen those videos debunked as well, the truth is both zietgiest and the debunk videos use different history sources to make their point. And it would seem both sides think their sources are right and are being biased, as are some of their sources.

But the good part (and when you think about it most logical) is the part that links religious beliefs with the stars. Since you must agree the people back then didn't have much to do so they were probably watching the sky a lot, and watching how the changes in the sky effected them and their surroundings.

Post edited 2010-11-10 16:59:38
2010-11-10 16:59:00
well... next time i need some attention i will start a similar topic.
2010-11-10 17:36:32
yes you have finally discovered why was i posting this theme :]
2010-11-10 22:05:32
:-)
2010-11-10 22:13:07
too stupid to understand science? try religion.
2010-11-10 19:42:33
Science backs up points in the bible.
2010-11-10 21:22:17
and I bet it backs up points in most books...
2010-11-10 23:50:31
The things that are possible?
Does science also back up at least some of the miracle claims in the bible?
2011-09-21 13:03:37
There is no God!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE

(HOW DO I LINK IT?)

The religion is the scourge of mankind, every moment that a religious took the control, there was genocides, deaths, prejudices etc...

Here in Brazil the pastors are aways changing theirs cars for a new MERCEDES, BMW and every expensive brand. Open up new churches that cost millions, and it with the money of the faiths of others... WHY JESUS NEED SO MUCH MONEY?

Post edited 2010-11-10 20:18:12
2010-11-10 20:12:57
Anybody can be a Christian and go to church with no cost what so ever...
2010-11-10 21:21:59
I bet it! But it is not the point... why they always ask for cash? Especially the evangelical, I think it is not common in USA and England

Post edited 2010-11-11 00:13:08
2010-11-11 00:12:29
god is a huge placebo 8-)
2010-11-10 20:57:55
The Church and the bible are bullshit, they manipulate people and everything said there isn't true.. this is one of the main reasons people lost faith in God.

I don't go to church and i've never read a single line of the bible.. but i do believe there's a God up there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldHF6PFUukw
2010-11-10 21:10:11
LOL? that vid backs up your point? in that video Albert Einstein proves his point wrong?
2010-11-10 21:20:46
No, i didn't post it to back up my point..

Too many people is saying that only stupid people believes in god and not science.

But it's ironic how one of the biggest (the best maybe) scientist the world ever had and he used to believe alot in God.
2010-11-11 03:02:37
i mis read your post, sorry dude. I thought u said i believe there isnt a God.
2010-11-11 16:44:04
No problem.
2010-11-11 19:56:00
NO!!!
2010-11-10 21:33:43
this reminds of a documentary i saw in religion stuff -class i dont know the name but w/e, about americans who brainwash their children to believe in god :D
2010-11-10 21:50:29
If you belive there is a God, and you die to discover you are right, then you win your bet. If you belive in God and then die, but there is no God, you have lost nothing, and gained nothing. This bet is safe, because you have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

On the other hand, if you do not believe in God, you are making a very risky bet, because you have everything to lose and nothing to gain. If you do not believe in God, and when you die you discover you were wrong, you literally have hell to pay!
And if you do not belive in God, and then die and God does not exist, then you have gained nothing, and lost nothing.
2010-11-10 22:00:16
That is the worst piece of crap i have ever read, and I've read a lot on the internet. 1+ internetz for you
2010-11-10 22:08:46
If God does not exist and I believe in him, but lose nothing if it exists and I do not believe in him then I lost everything
2010-11-10 22:12:12
Your belief in God is not a true belief. From your post, you sound like you believe in God purely because of the promises of religion. If promises were not provided, if the destination was different, would you still believe? An honest belief would not concern itself with the promises of religion.
2010-11-10 22:16:56
Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
2010-11-10 22:24:53
Um, that's not a valid reply. You're still showing that you believe in God purely based on promises. In other words, your attempting to build a structure with a false foundation. Believing in God in order purely to save your soul shows no real faith.
2010-11-10 22:34:21
u believe that Jesus Christ was a joke? he was really god.
2010-11-10 22:30:02
I suggest you take a look at the Rosetta Stone published long before the Bible, and the similarities between Jesus and Osiris, the sun god Ra and Abraham, etc., before posting such things. I've quoted it already in this forum but I'll quote it again: "You are not entitled to your opinion; you are, however, entitled to your informed opinion." Gather some more substantial evidence, please.

Post edited 2010-11-10 22:45:56
2010-11-10 22:37:10
U want touch God with hand? We speak about truths of faith.
2010-11-10 22:48:46
and I suggest u search ,,Holy Fire in Jerusalem "
2010-11-10 22:51:11
Apparently you've misread what I wrote once again. Oh well, nothing it seems will break through your so-called faith based only on promises and miracles/metaphors.
2010-11-10 22:59:36
if you do not see the mind does not mean you have ... and so God
2010-11-10 22:56:34
I guess you've been misinterpreting because you don't understand English very well.
2010-11-10 23:00:37
over 1 billion people into islamic religion - they`r forbidden to eat pork meat and they have to pray 5 times a day and at least once in lifetime to go to mecca. just about 1 billion hindi people ..they have more than 100k gods.. they worship cows..among many others...and its a tradition to drink cow piss to be blessed! alot of christians..dunno the aprox number..but do know that there are over 300 sepparate christian cults..some dance rave on sunday service as i`ve seen recently on youtube, some dance with snakes to show that they put all their trust in god, some (catholics) use to ask for a tax for forgiveness. religion was invented for mass control and financial purposes.
2010-11-10 22:53:36
and exactly what's wrong in for example in Islamic religion? You don't need to eat pork, to eat good meat. Just tell me the problem about this religion exactly. It's not about money, 'cause we actually give ALOT to the poor.
2010-11-10 23:04:16
didnt point to anything..those were just facts..who did decided that pork meat is not good? do you know? and can u tell the difference? u are albanian..so..into muslim religon...if u would`d been born in china, you would`d been tao or budhist.
2010-11-11 00:02:40
why would god create us?
2010-11-10 22:53:54
same reason as you have your mother and father created: love
2010-11-10 23:00:05
so why only the ones who believe in him, are saved and go to heaven?
2010-11-10 23:06:20
So why are you stupid to think that even those who don't believe in Him, have a place in heaven?:s
2010-11-10 23:12:26
where have i said that?
2010-11-10 23:16:02
http://cristgaming.com/pirate.swf

LimeWire dies and rises again... Just like it did so many times before!

Have no fear, Lucifer is HERE!!

Post edited 2010-11-10 23:09:18
2010-11-10 23:05:37
Well...we ALL know God is not a woman because we aren't all sandwiches \m/
2010-11-10 23:10:33
HAHAHAHAHA MADE MY DAY ROFL
2010-11-10 23:11:24
hahaha
2010-11-10 23:45:58
AHAHAHAHAHHAA
2010-11-11 18:51:12
You win. Hahahaha
2011-09-21 11:05:10
How many gods do YOU not believe in? SEE IT! <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGT25Oj-6rc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGT25Oj-6rc</a>

“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.” – Marcus Aurelius

Although I think that actually we (human being) need a "God" to believe. We need a powerful creature to keep people scared, to punish and to say how these people should live their lifes.
I am a good person but not to think that I can go to hell if I get a bad behave, I am good just to think that I must love the neighbor and it belong to my principles. Most of people doens't think like this though

Post edited 2010-11-11 00:28:02
2010-11-11 00:18:59
I don't believe in god. anyone.
2010-11-11 05:58:22
religion is a way to control people
2010-11-11 12:58:55
1st of all i believe in god i like the subjecy and i will try to explain things he way i understand them

1st off all god gave us free will,if u want u can do anything,ppl above mentioned for the wars and the death of ppl,u cant blame god,just the ppl that cause all theese....

ppl from anciet times choosed to get part...other religions,other languages,and many stuff...i tink it was done this way because they wanted us to hate eac other,to ave diferences,so racisn,hate,and wars could be done...

wars in the name of god made by humans,u cant blame god for that...

all te above are humans handmade things,god gave free will he want do anything,and why he should interfere?we must do something about wars and the starving not him,WE LIVE HERE...

in my eyes bible qorand etc. are all the same and they are not 1 just because they wanted humanity to be in small pieces not a big one...


how can u know that god exists?
well u cant be sure,but my facts are theese:
how many times some of u have witnessed the evil itself?from a scary story to masonism and satanism,the fact that devils greatest trick is to make us believe that he doesnt exist doesnt mean that he dosnts exists,he exists and atleast i have some evidences and i got them for me not gonna share them with u...
so if satanism,satan and evil exists...god,and god exists to...the diferences?


GOD doesnt want u to believe him with a reason,he wont come before and tell him why ,he just give u the opurtunity to choose what u want to do..instead the other side will come to you and convince you through deception ,lies,and given power...

god has forbid any contact with anything non human.angel or demon , or even at things like astral projection(astral projection can be done and it it confirmed to me by my own eyes)

so the facts are:
god doesnt desperately need you,you dot know what he will offer and never will know...


books like bible that are human made of course they are a little"different" from the originals,if the originals ever existed...

im just trying to help you that truth is somewhere in the middle,not only science,not only religion or god...

i have never ever prayed to god to give me rich and goods,i just want his light and guidance to make it ,to be the best possible person,and health for me and everyone...
he has given all the above to me,and i do nt want anything else..

just my opinion guys,and i hope i gave you some arguments...dont be fools,and dont believe that we are alone...its something arrogant...

and dont forget that for everything we are the ones to get accused...u can accuse god only for given us life.... cheers
2010-11-11 13:59:14
bad english becase im working right now and writing from a cellphone:p
2010-11-11 14:02:57
you wrote all that from a cellphone? o_O
god..
2010-11-11 14:13:51
i was following the thread quite some time now and wanted to reply but no time,so i did it the hard way:D
2010-11-11 14:16:08
"how can u know that god exists?
well u cant be sure,but my facts are theese:
how many times some of u have witnessed the evil itself?from a scary story to masonism and satanism,the fact that devils greatest trick is to make us believe that he doesnt exist doesnt mean that he dosnts exists,he exists and atleast i have some evidences and i got them for me not gonna share them with u...
so if satanism,satan and evil exists...god,and god exists to...the diferences?"


There are no evidence that satan and evil exist. Satanism is a "religion", so that does not prove anything either. I have heard lots of bad stories about mass murders, terrorists, rapists, pedophiles and so on, but that does not prove that evil exists.

"god has forbid any contact with anything non human.angel or demon , or even at things like astral projection(astral projection can be done and it it confirmed to me by my own eyes)"

People have seen Aliens, Bigfoot, Loch Ness. Some people say they have been abducted by Aliens, seen God and Jesus etc. You know where I'm going

"so the facts are:
god doesnt desperately need you,you dot know what he will offer and never will know..."


Since they are facts, where are the evidence? You are just assuming. There is a difference

"books like bible that are human made of course they are a little"different" from the originals,if the originals ever existed..."

Where are the evidence? You are just assuming. There is a difference. You seem to be easy to manipulate.

"I have never ever prayed to god to give me rich and goods,i just want his light and guidance to make it ,to be the best possible person,and health for me and everyone...
he has given all the above to me,and i do nt want anything else.."


How do you know it was Him who gave you that? How do you know that this would not happen if you did not believe? I was a Christian for 16 years, I did not pray for money or goods either, i prayed for health too. I have broken my arm so i can't join the army, I was 3 millimetres from losing my finger. Since I was 12 I have not been able to run due to a bad knee. I "became" an atheist 2 years ago, and I have NEVER experienced anything bad in those 2 years.

"just my opinion guys,and i hope i gave you some arguments...dont be fools,and dont believe that we are alone...its something arrogant..."

You gave 0 arguments and why are people fools because they believe we are alone?
2010-11-11 14:29:59
i said that theese "facts" and arguments are by my own experience ,ive seen the existense of evil things as well as the astral projection...


and because u told me about loch nes,ive witnessed leviathan;)


im not here to convince you,some ppl may agree,and some may drop my opinions,i just expressed things as i can see them,and i am enough openminded...ohh and one last thing

the worst things ever happened to me were in the 2 years i was atheist , and i became one because i could see only what i dony have and only what bad happenes to me,iwasnt greatfull for the things i had,which i m nOW AWARE...w/e your opinion s respectfull...


Post edited 2010-11-11 15:00:01
2010-11-11 14:58:28
Your "facts and experiences" are still invalid. If people's own "facts and experiences" were real, every religion would be real, everything would be different.

How can you be more grateful for the things you have with a religion than without?
2010-11-11 15:17:41
i didnt say that you mu must believe me,it is enough for me ....

as for the last thing,the question u asked is hard...and maybe you are right
2010-11-11 15:24:43
i said that theese "facts" and arguments are by my own experience ,ive seen the existense of evil things as well as the astral projection...

star trek fan eh?
2011-09-21 09:14:22
markeloff god of awp ;D

Post edited 2010-11-11 15:08:26
2010-11-11 15:08:19
by: vzu
#683
SACHIN TENDULKAR - GOD OF CRICKET :p
2010-11-12 04:59:55
wtf is cricket? :O
2011-09-21 21:19:25
Its a famous sport played in many countries like India,England,Australia,NZ,SouthAfrica,WestIndies,etc
2011-11-10 19:07:55
No :)
2010-11-11 15:19:44
Funny how many "believers" write God with small "G".
2010-11-11 16:46:34
why not?
2011-09-21 08:52:41
write 'god' in reverse. It's more funny.
2011-09-21 12:05:16
stupid boy !
am muslim
2010-11-11 17:02:45
hahaha
2011-09-20 21:21:08
Funny. xD
This convinced me to read the Bible. =D
I'm very confused. -.-
I think we are just manipulated.. u_u
2010-11-11 19:00:32
The bible is corrupted
2010-11-11 19:03:38
Don't read the bible, use it to clean your ass.

Bible has been changing by the time, it has been modified to convince people that everything was shiny and nice.

As i've said, i believe in god. But not in the bible.
2010-11-11 19:57:22
I do believe in God but I dont believe in those religions who have waged crusades and jihads for sake of just converting people.

Post edited 2010-11-11 19:13:53
2010-11-11 19:09:12
that was pretty nice argument with capable evidence :]
2010-11-11 19:17:22
wow i am glad that so many ppl have joined this discusion.. :)
2010-11-11 19:16:58
Pointless thread really.
2010-11-11 19:46:34
Shut the fuck up old me!
This is a great thread!
2011-09-21 15:13:48
There you go, evidence of demoniac possession LOL
2011-09-21 15:38:09
Ha, i guess :D
2011-09-21 16:12:04
imo anyone can prove there's a god and anyone can prove there's "nothing". so, every single person has their own faith and we must respect it. *sorry for bad english*
2010-11-11 20:39:23
If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people.
2010-11-12 09:24:32
Dr. House FTW!
2011-09-21 17:25:54
I hope that God exists.
2010-11-12 09:35:09
Im noob
2010-11-12 19:47:20
+1
2010-11-13 07:05:24
I Believe. Don't Stop Believin
2010-11-12 20:50:17
WE invented GOD, GOD is the need to give an exemple of something perfect and to explain something we dont have explanation for, the ultimate human is a GOD, that is how it started, the definition of GOD, then it evolved along with us. Thats only my opinion, I respect everyone who believe in their GOD(s).(Sorry my english) I believe in piece and counter strike ^^
2010-11-14 12:28:05
religions are made to control the ppl. nothing more nothing less. Religions base is to brainwash ppl with no education and free thinking
2010-11-14 12:38:04
And to make a LOT of money. Damn rich churches. People even paid money to get rid of their "sins" so they could get into heaven. In Denmark we have "chuch taxes"... Sums it all pretty much up.
2010-11-14 12:53:34
by: 3rd
#707
yeah everyone knows that and that the bible is corrupted is that a reason to blame all religions?
2010-11-14 13:48:02
Well... yes
2010-11-14 18:59:28
by: 3rd
#723
lol that's one of the most stupid things I heard other religions appeared because of the corruption of christianism but whatever believe in what you want
2010-11-14 19:04:55
heard of hinduism or buddism ??
2011-09-21 09:09:41
Buddism is atheistic.
2011-09-21 12:07:54
the question was abt religion..

yeah everyone knows that and that the bible is corrupted is that a reason to blame all religions?
2011-09-21 13:12:12
This is nothing, in Brazil some churches are selling "demon-killer" sprays! And people actually buy it, it is said that each spray can kill as much as 20 demons! LOL
2011-09-21 15:41:01
Yes I belive. And One thing. if you don't belive, ok. But say that people that belive are retarded people'?????? You're a retarded person!
2010-11-14 13:42:14
only 1 religion will be accepted on the day of judgement !! we all are accountable for every action in front of god !!
2010-11-14 15:52:26
That's why we have wars.. stupid people don't tolerate others stupid beliefs
2011-09-21 08:51:07
No, I belive in Unicorns.
2010-11-14 15:55:42
priests sell your jewelry hahahahahahahahaha
2010-11-14 18:13:23
I deny god & religions
2011-09-20 20:08:01
define god
2011-09-20 20:10:28
its a little retardant to think that there isent something bigger then us just think a little if there is noting there how did we come to exist from what ? it all has a beginning so some where some how it all had to be maid buy something or some one as for life after death i don't know if there is a hall or a haven but to think then we just live around 70-80 years with no purpose on this planet and after that its all just game over is just sad
2011-09-20 20:23:43
Actually it's "retardant" to think that we became from something bigger then us, you should read more about creating earth and living beings.

If you think that someone is retarded because he think that we are living 70-80 years without purpose or whatever, then explain me what is purpose of some child who died from cancer in his 4th year, or any other children who didnt live even 10 years to do something with purpose or useful in their life for them or anyone.. One thing is to believe in God, but normal person should know beside that and all scientist facts about evolution and everything which is related to creating this "world".

Be reasonable.

Like i said exactly one year before on this very same topic, I will say again. I believe in what I see.. I dont believe in God, other lifes and those things, but at least I can respect believers and dont talk some "retarded" things about them, so you should do same.

Post edited 2011-09-20 20:47:49
2011-09-20 20:44:20
dude i don't think u understood what i was train to say i was train to say that this life is not the end and is retardant to think that is noting bigger then us out there so learn a little more english so u can understated the message clear i just seed is sad to think we live as mach as we do and after that is game over not that is retardant is just sad to think that that is the end

Post edited 2011-09-20 20:59:06
2011-09-20 20:58:16
Dude, i think that you need to learn more English, no offense but it's true.

"its a little retardant to think that there isent something bigger then us just think a little if there is noting there how did we come to exist from what ?"

You said here: "little retarded to think that there isn't SOMETHING bigger then us..just think little bit, if there is nothing..then how did we come to exist from WHAT?"

You are saying about "something" and you are questioning from what we became ? It's logic to understand that you are saying that we became from something bigger then us.

Anyhow, ok I got your real point now after second post. But again, nothing is retarded. That was mine point. It's pointless to argue about this.

Post edited 2011-09-20 21:05:15
2011-09-20 21:04:23
sure explain to me how your using become in a sentence maybe u can teach me english cause i don understand that "become" u don't even make sens learn to use words proper the tell me to learn english madlittlebro

Post edited 2011-09-20 21:10:52
2011-09-20 21:09:55
I feel sorry for you. Bye.
2011-09-21 00:40:07
It was also a little retarded to think Earth spinned arround the Sun a few centuries ago.
2011-09-20 20:48:08
i believe GuanShiYin ..
2011-09-20 20:28:46
I dare someone to read all this topic.
2011-09-20 20:31:00
i thought about doing it but i wont
2011-09-21 02:29:53
Negative.
2011-09-20 20:32:53
Believe.......god bless you all
2011-09-20 20:33:32
nope
2011-09-20 20:48:03
I do believe 50% but the other 50% goes to the negative side :D
2011-09-20 20:48:22
=agnostic
2011-09-20 21:18:26
Sorry, didn't know the word =)

Post edited 2011-09-21 06:03:32
2011-09-21 06:03:20
np
2011-09-21 14:16:03
NO I DONT
2011-09-20 20:57:55
No
2011-09-20 21:09:31
by: ckN
#753
i'm a god
2011-09-20 21:19:54
Dear Jesus, please make my teacher be kind tomorrow, beacause i want to pass that fucking exam and dont want to be kicked out from university and go to fucking army. If you do it i promise to pray everyday and build a church and never tell lies. Thanks in advance.
your Eugene.
2011-09-20 21:57:32
Dear Jesus, please make marijuana cheaper and legal. If you do it i promise to pray everyday and build a church and never tell lies. Thanks in advance
Your Child in distress :D
2011-09-21 09:03:50
Its so fucking useless to discuss about this. This conversation will never end.
2011-09-20 21:23:03
That's the beauty of the subject!
2011-09-21 15:44:35
I don't believe in god, i think the god is just a joke. Someone wrote a bible and people start to believe just because of that book. The bible is a novel for me, that is my opinion so don't flame.

Cheers
2011-09-20 21:28:36
Whenever you need, when I will raise my hands to him. Goku!

Post edited 2011-09-20 21:31:35
2011-09-20 21:30:40
could someone define the term god pls?
cuz there are a lot of things that people call god (like nature, an allpowerful entity, a certain ideal etc.) and i just wanna know what exactly are we talking about
2011-09-20 21:31:24
This is i call "FAKE" no smokes, no flashs, no he´s PERFECT =D
2011-09-20 21:34:09
I am strongly convinced of the existence of an intelligent design, like numerous high respected scholars do as well. It is undeniable there is something "behind the scenes", yet difficult or rather impossible to prove its existence with the scientific tangible proof, elusive as it migth be, many just "know" or are aware/conscious of its existence, its a big smart intelligent consciousness and we are individual consciousness withinn consciousness itself. I believe in parying, that means talking to "God" our heavenly father who is "above", God is Spirit so we have to pray "in the spirit". There is little we can positivly to be useful for the great One by our own effort, we are as influential as a fart in a storm, but when believing and trusting in "irrational" supernatural guidance/intuition, you create an ambience a connection where you allow spirit to use you and be of influence, you will experience synchronicity and change. There is great power in believing, especially believing in God, surrendering your will to his plan and his guidance, this is where magic can happen, I do not mean religious or fixed ideas, but what the "revolutionism" renewal transformation of our mind, this is what Jesus had a burning passion to reveal and teach to those who had "ears to hear" and "eyes to see". there is alot more to be said, but in brief, yes I believe :) And I hope you will soon too
2011-09-20 21:35:17
Just live your life like einstein do
2011-09-20 21:35:43
agree with Nomad
2011-09-20 21:36:09
When someone creates a thread about God or religion I do CTRL+F and read all Nomad's comments, I completly agree with him, he thinks the exact same way as me, it's nice to read his comments.

One question, if God created Big Bang as you believers say, what created God?
2011-09-20 21:55:22
I believe in god and the life is just an exam who fail in this exam will be in hell and who succeed go the heaven , don't you think who build the human being , yeah the god who built the human from water and clay , if you don't see god he see you , this is my reason so people do the right thing in your life , I am muslim and I pray 5 times in the day and I know that I cannot enter heaven if my gode d'ont have mercy upon him.
2011-09-20 21:58:30
+1 Exactly !
2011-09-21 00:32:33
cool story bro

Any proof of that so called "hell" or "heaven"? Or any proof of god ? Please, give me anything ?
2011-09-21 08:47:59
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjeXYlzImxg&fea..
there are many arguments ......
2012-02-23 14:04:40
Watched 2 minutes and 30 seconds of this video and it seemed more like muslims vs christians video which I absolutely don't care about, so I closed it.

If there really was a good argument or evidence that hell or heaven exists in this video or anywhere else, please, that wouldn't be that hard to write it here in reply to me, moreover taking to account that you are a believer, you should be able to provide arguments and evidence by heart.

So please, no video links. Just write one argument/evidence. That's enough.
2012-02-23 15:04:43
First thing, this is not an argument to convince you, because it is impossible to convince with a comment
2nd thing is not a versus, this is a simplification of things to talk with our Christians friends and explain the defects that a simple person like you can understand
3rd thing, if you really want to know the truth, it is always possible, but it's not in this way, you need really a religious scholar to convince you, and be sure you will be satisfied
4th thing, if you're not mentally ready to accept this reality, you will remain forever as you are :)
5th thing,your environment you gave a certain belief, remember that it is not always good.
seek seek & seek, to find the reality;)
Gl , hF :D
2012-02-23 21:53:53
All you wrote in your comment dosen't make a sense at all.

If you can't give me one reason/argument/evidence that god exists, how the hell can you believe in it? Why do you believe in it? It's just mind blowing.. can't you see the logic fail in it?


No need to answer my first part of this comment unless it's really good answer, If you can't think yourself and you need religious scholars to think and answer for you- then you are just stupid and a good example of quote "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. — Edward Gibbon" - useful for rulers goes for you. You are controlled by religion and if I ask you a simple question, you can't answer that and you tell me to ask a religious scholar.

Anyway, so lets start from a new page, new angle.

From your previous comment, I assume you are a christian.

The question is: Why? Why do you believe in christian? Why not other religions? There are 20 major religions and thousands of others, you have chosen that one. So mathematical fact is, that if there is a god and he/she wants you to follow religion, aren't you afraid that you are following a wrong religion? There is atleast 99% chance for that, that's a fact, you can't argue with it. So why?
2012-02-23 23:45:52
firstly I am a Muslim,I can give you arguments, but you must accept my proposal 4th in the commentary above: D
good, to convince you, I give you only one thing to believe,
all realities you see around you now, into realities are revealed in the Coran 1400 years there's (that's your problem to believe or not), but if you ask the scientists who have become Muslim and believing in god, they will answer that comes into realities to discover that are already mentioned in the Coran 1400 years past
I give you a simple example to justify yourself that the world has a creator god
if I tell you that adding 1% of oxigen has the atmosphere, the earth will be burned, it is a coincidence? No Ofc
you know the relativity of time revealed by the famous Albert Einstein, this reality is revealed in the Coran it there's 1400 years ...
so listen, I'm useless to convince you, but there is a lot of things that you don't know
one little thing if you're interested, read this if you understand French or looking to translate it into english, you will find them into realities of today mentioned in the Coran http://www.yabiladi time. com/forum/comment-prouver-islam-bien-verite-80-4127559.html
(and it's not all ) :)
2012-02-24 01:54:23
Please don't take it the wrong way, I'm not being racist or anything I'm just curious about the topic. Why muslin people blow themselves up in the name of God? And you guys really think this will lead you to heaven? Seriously I always wanted to talk to a muslin, I have tons of questions, I'm so curious about it.
2011-09-21 15:48:26
Only muslim people? Or you mean, extremist people from any kind of religion/beliefs?
Did you just forget about Mr. Breivik? Or all christian atrocities from the past?

And btw, always remember, christianity = jewry = islam.
2011-09-21 19:38:32
i believe in me,of course :D
2011-09-20 22:01:19
http://bit.ly/PAhZg
2011-09-20 22:03:30
"Science flies you to the moon; religion flies you into buildings."
2011-09-20 22:08:39
haha spot on
2011-09-20 23:00:47
hahaha
2011-09-21 18:29:08
Oh god not one of these threads...
2011-09-20 22:11:11
god noo :D
2011-09-20 22:14:57
no i dont believe that there is god that have created us.


But i do believe we are our own "gods".



2011-09-20 22:17:41
Christian, Orthodox, I believe and I go to church. If you ask me why do I believe, I can't exactly give you a proper answer, with providing evidences about God's existing and stuff, but all I can say is when I had felt the worst in my life, when there were no options left, or any way out of that situation and condition, I prayed to God and he helped me. In that situation, it wasn't possible for it to be accidental, since it was really without a way out. That was the moment when I got assured of God's existence.

To those who don't believe, try to show just a little bit of respect towards other people who believe, and some respect to religion, as well.
2011-09-20 22:23:51
I do respect them I just can't stand people trying to prove God's existence through evidences.
2011-09-21 03:11:44
Why do u hate them for that? Because they make you feel like you're stupid?

Post edited 2011-09-21 06:09:56
2011-09-21 06:07:51
YES! YOU ARE RIGHT! People trying to prove God with some idiotic and non factual arguments is really making him feel stupid. LOL
2011-09-21 08:45:12
+1
2011-09-21 15:11:50
+99999999999999999999999999 love u for this post mate
2011-09-21 15:56:17
by: jlp
#791
i used to believe in god when i was a kid because of my family...

and then i grow up.
2011-09-20 22:28:52
same here
but my mom has never taken me to the church

Post edited 2011-09-21 00:19:30
2011-09-21 00:19:08
I believe
2011-09-20 22:35:01
Yes. I believe in GOD .
2011-09-20 22:47:34
Nope I don't believe in god. If he existed would he seriously let all this bad things happen to us? Wars, health problems and economic crisis? We humans need something to believe in. But what to bad , what you believe doesnt exist. Science proves it.
2011-09-20 22:54:34
Science doesn't disprove God's excitence, it actually proves.
2012-02-26 07:22:05
I believe in All-llah!
2011-09-20 22:56:10
I don't want to say anything. I'll recommend a movie only : Zeitgeiest 1 .. watch the first part and then tell me do you believe in "god".
2011-09-20 22:56:26
I'm an atheist untill somebody PROVES that god exists :)
2011-09-20 22:59:51
Armin,Bosnia and Herzegovina.I am muslim and my religion is all abaut GOD. we adore Him and love HIM and Belive in HIM. And evrything what move,hapen is doing by HIS will.Amd there is no other GOD than ALLAH,and that the MUHAMMED A.S. is HIS Prophet. Allahu ekber!
2011-09-20 23:01:22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1Kqh8cTi34

love u all , take care
2011-09-20 23:04:38
I can't prove there is God,as I can't prove that God doesn't exist. So logic ends here and I need more knowledge and facts on which I can start making logical conclusions. I don't think science will go so far during my lifetime , some younger will get more lucky there.

I like the moral part of every religion ,but religions have been so much abused during history.
It's dumb to believe everything what a "more religious" person says. That's the reason why we get extremists and narrow-minded people.
2011-09-20 23:12:03
Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed... *Jesus Christ*
2011-09-20 23:13:23
AKA "Smart people must accept what I say without questioning."
Yeah, sounds pretty smart to me (Jesus, not you).
2011-09-21 15:50:42
I find it easier to believe in god that evolution, besides IF anything science only proves we haven an intelligent design to our world. I believe evolution is a religion, i mean, it takes faith to believe in what they feed you.
2011-09-20 23:19:28
religion is based on dogma, evolution is based on fact
2011-09-20 23:40:46
evolution is based on theory
2011-09-21 00:31:33
actually, evolution is a theory based on fact :/
2011-09-21 00:36:07
Ever heard of Scientific theory?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

"I believe evolution is a religion"

NOPE!
2011-09-21 00:43:02
i guess i can't have an opinion
2011-09-21 04:51:29
Believing is easier than thinking, that's why there are so many believers
2011-09-21 08:41:09