Vote for Player of the Decade
By: MIRAA
Time: 2010-01-02 21:27

We have closed the polls and it is now time to vote for the best player of the decade. Who do you think impressed the most?

In the last few days, we created several polls for you users to vote for those you considered that had been the best player of the decade by continent, and also the best handler of the AWP.

These five winners have now made up their own poll, from which you will be able to vote for your overall player of the decade. Voting will close on Monday, January 4, at 20.00 CET, so think carefully on who you are going to pick. Good luck to all the players in the running!

BEST AWP OF THE DECADE

walle from SK Gaming. 



Name: Dennis Wallenberg
Alias: walle
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Teams: spiXel, EYE, mTw, NiP, SK
Status: Active (SK)
Achievements: 1st place OsloLAN 2004, 2nd place ESWC 2004, 2nd place CPL Winter 2004, 2nd place CPL World Tour: UK 2005, 1st place KODE5 2006, 1st place CPL Nordic 2006, 1st place EM III LA, 2nd place WCG 2008, 2nd place ESWC Masters 2009, 1st place EM IV Chengdu, 1st place Arbalet Cup Europe

Dennis "walle" Wallenberg achieved early recognition not only because of his talent, but mostly because of his gaming movies, where he frequently featured with his brother and sometimes team-mate, Jonathan "miniwalle" Wallenberg. After a successful time with spiXel, with whom he had placed second at ESWC in 2004, the older Wallenberg teamed up with EYEballers, clinching the silver medal at CPL Winter that same year. In April 2005, he left for mTw, only to leave one month later to link up with Ninjas in Pyjamas, where he spent nearly two years, before joining SK Gaming. Wallenberg has confirmed his skills at SK, winning several events since his arrival, and he will continue being one of the players to follow in 2010.

ASIAN PLAYER OF THE DECADE

solo from WeMade FOX




Name: Keun Chul Kang
Alias: solo
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Teams: MaveN, project_kr, WeMade FOX
Status: Active (WeMade FOX)
Achievements: 2nd place WEG 3, 3rd place WEG Masters 2006, 2nd place ESWC 2008, 2nd place EM II, 3rd place WEG Masters 2008, 3rd place WCG 2008, 2nd place GameGune Mexico, 3rd place EM IV Chengdu



Keun "solo" Chul Kang is one of the most famous Counter-Strike players in South Korea and he has managed to stay at the top for many years despite the intense competition there is in Asian countries. Kang is a longtime member of eSTRO, now known as WeMade FOX, and his talent makes his presence on this roster indispensable.

 

SOUTH AMERICAN PLAYER OF THE DECADE



Name: Raphael Camargo
Alias: cogu
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Teams: g3x, Made in Brazil
Status: Retired
Achievements: 1st place CPL World Tour: Brazil 2005, 1st place CPL World Tour: Chile 2005, 1st place ESWC 2006, 1st place shgOpen 2007, 4th place ESWC 2007, 2nd place GameGune 2007, 2nd place Extreme Masters III LA, 1st place Extreme Masters III America Finals



Brazil has crafted some of the finest sniping material, such as Eduardo "eduzin" Chagas, Wellington "ton" Caruso and, more recently, Gabriel "FalleN" Toledo, but none of these players has spent so much time at the top as Raphael "cogu" Camargo. The Brazilian legend departed g3x for mibr in early 2004 and inspired the team to big international wins, including two CPL trophies in 2005 and an ESWC title in 2006. Camargo would retire from gaming just two weeks after this last success to become a professional football player in Qatar, only to return three months later. Together with his team-mates, Camargo moved to Counter-Strike: Source for the CGS, re-joining mibr in late 2008. After a long period without titles, he decided to hang up his mouse last month.

NORTH AMERICAN PLAYER OF THE DECADE






Name: Danny Montaner
Alias: fRoD
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Teams: United 5, compLexity, Evil Geniuses
Status: Active (Evil Geniuses)
Achievements: 2nd place CPL World Tour: Spain 2005, 1st place ESWC 2005, 2nd place WEG Masters 2006, 1st place GameGune Mexico 2009, 3rd place Arbalet Cup Europe



When you think of a classy sniper who has been at the top for many years, the name of Danny "fRoD" Montaner immediately pops out. He joined compLexity in August 2004 from United 5 and helped put Jason Lake's project on the map, finishing behind mousesports at CPL Barcelona and winning the ESWC tournament. After 2006, when coL placed second at WEG Masters, Montaner, along with his team-mates, moved to Counter-Strike: Source. Following the demise of the CGS, Montaner returned to 1.6, and he is one of the few players that seem to have made up for lost time. Now with Evil Geniuses, he has helped the team win their first international event and their prospects for 2010 look very good.

 

EUROPEAN PLAYER OF THE DECADE




Name: Filip Kubski
Alias: NEo
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Teams: SPECNAZ, SpecSter, Pentagram, MYM, WICKED, Vitriolic, AGAiN
Status: Active (AGAiN)
Achievements: 1st place Invex Euro Cyber Cup, 1st place LehnitzLan, 1st place SEC 2005, 1st place EuroCup X, 2nd place KODE5 Germany 2006, 1st place WSVG UK, 1st place WCG 2006, 3rd place CPL Winter 2006, 2nd place SEC 2007, 1st place ESWC 2007, 1st place EM I, 2nd place SEC 2008, 1st place DreamHack Summer 2008, 1st place ESWC 2008, 1st place DTS Cup, 3rd place EM III Europe Finals, 2nd place EM III Global Finals, 3rd place KODE5 2009, 2nd place GameGune 2009, 1st place WCG 2009 

 

Filip "NEo" Kubski is without a doubt one of the most skilled players to have graced the Counter-Strike stages of the last decade. After some years in which Poland did not field any good team, the creation of Pentagram in 2004 with the junction of the country's two best teams at the time, Aristocracy and SpecSter, greatly reshaped the scene there. In that year, Pentagram showed a taste of their game, winning Invex Europ Cyber Cup in the Czech Republic and LehnitzLAN in Germany, beating more experienced teams like D-Sky and mousesports along the way. 2005 brought the team's first big win abroad as they conquered SEC, but they would have to wait until 2006 to confirm they belonged to the elite, when they won WSVG in London and the WCG event and finished third at CPL Winter. However, not everything was shiny for Pentagram that year, as Kubski left the team in July in search for some action elsewhere, having returned less than two weeks later. The following year did not bring many trophies but it did bring two world championships: the Intel Extreme Masters and the ESWC. If you add to that the second place at SEC then you see why Meet Your Makers, the richest organisation out there at the time, raided Pentagram for their team later that year. The year of 2008 saw Kubski help MYM win their second ESWC title and the Dreamhack Summer trophy, plus a second place at SEC. 2009 would be one of the Polish team's best years, as they won DTS Cup, WCG, finished second at the Extreme Masters Global Finals and GameGune and placed third at the KODE5 Global Finals. Currently without an organisation to support them, Kubski and the former Pentagram team look as strong contenders for every title in 2010.

Who do you think was the overall best player of the decade? You can vote for your favourite player using the form below (you need to be logged in).

Player of the Decade?

Dennis "walle" Wallenberg: (24%)
Keun Chul "solo" Kang: (1%)
Raphael "cogu" Camargo: (9%)
Danny "fRoD" Montaner: (4%)
Filip "Neo" Kubski: (61%)

Total Votes: 3828

by: hima - GECLAN
#9
i think walle did the best he is very smart player , got nice skills , can make the team really hard hop that he can win this
2010-01-02 21:31:30
Agree,Walle top1 of this five,just too much PR for Neo,but he's still not on of the legends,and he had stolen the nickname from my favorite movie,shame on Neo :D

Walle wtf
2010-01-03 07:51:49
fail
2010-01-03 08:59:56
rly?than explain...
2010-01-03 09:11:13
neo isn't legend? -_-
so tell me who in few years will be named among legend like HeatoN, f0rest, SpawN etc.? Because i think he will ;o
2010-01-03 12:47:01
WILL BE NAMED, NOT IS NAMED
2010-01-03 14:23:18
Neo is a legend to you. Neo is not a legend to me. You have a special relation to Neo because he is Polish, that you're biased towards him is not surprising .
2010-01-03 16:49:26
No, he doesn't think neo is a legend because he is polish, he thinks neo is a legend simply because neo IS.

If, for you, FROD is a legend, I'm sorry, but neo is the best of the decade.
2010-01-03 16:54:13
Neo is legend.
why?
-he is winning crucial rounds, individually...
-he always holds the even high-level...

more?

(:
2010-01-03 17:04:47
every progamer had fantastic rounds 1v1 1v3 1v4 and even more,Neo would become a legend only after he will end his carrier

If Neo can be called as a legend,than Walle should be called as a legend too,simple,but they're not legends,they're just proplayers that shows their best

Yes,Neo will win this voting and Walle will take silver,but I still think another players must be present in the voting list instead of cogu/frod/solo and probably even Walle
2010-01-03 17:14:00
I actually voted for walle. I don't think fRoD has any chance of winning this, not nearly enough popularity.
2010-01-03 17:24:51
u gotta be kidding ;p the answer for the poll could be NEo,but definitely not walle.
2010-01-03 11:19:25
The Answer is Walle,just cause I don't wanna support Neo,he does not deserve top 1 in fact,probably everybody will vote for Neo just cause of there are no such players as HeatoN,fisker and etc...
2010-01-03 11:44:46
Look on the vote for European player of decade:)
2010-01-03 13:05:06
lmao @ u
2010-01-03 15:05:33
wrong, neo (filip) had this nick before the movie was made -.-
2010-01-03 15:57:22
kids are confused, there's a difference between "Player" and "Legend, Diva or Star".

Player of the decade? easy.

Post edited 2010-01-03 15:19:31
2010-01-03 15:18:53
If im not wrong,decade = 10 years,so why the hell only one of those five,retired and all another are active,not fair imo not to pick another star players that retired in voting
2010-01-03 15:59:54
walle is the most complete player skillwise,hes IGL,got chosen best awp+ hes known for really solid rifling aswell.

voted walle but neo will win cause he prolly has one of the best aims ever and his aggresive playstyle gets him alot of frags..
2010-01-02 21:39:28
by: twg
#127
and the most important,Neo has much more fanboys than walle(i'm not talking about the polish people only,neo is from poland so it's kinda natural to vote for him,but my point is that people all over the world will rather vote for neo just because of the frags he's making,and not knowing that walle is much more complete as a player than neo)
2010-01-02 22:27:15
Hmm, I don't think he's not. Let's look:
Neo aim >> Walle aim
Neo awp skill >= Walle awp skill (You will probably disagree. I'm not a fanboy, but Walle is not using awp nowadays as he did and Neo is really good with it)
Neo ingame intelligence >= Walle ingame intelligence (If You'd seen videos where You can hear what he is talking during the game You would be really surprised, he mostly knows where his enemy is etc.)
And btw, Neo is not fraging so much, surely not the most in his team.
2010-01-03 00:05:37
aim
Neo > walle
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awp
neo << walle
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IGL/read the enemies
neo < walle
2010-01-03 00:13:09
Neo is as good with awp as walle, with his reflex he has rly amazing shots, look some of his actions on de_train(for example in the wcg final), he just doesn't like this gun.
Winning many clutches means that he reads enemies quite well, use intelligence. (i.e. forest, get_right are at least as good aimers as neo, but looking at the stats hltv.org and their matches we see they don't win so many clutches)
2010-01-03 01:17:13
oh and if you say neo > walle in awp you should go l2p in some dark corner, he doesnt even come close to him and yes neo has good reflexes but that comes from his insane aim ,wich makes him very good but nowhere near world top5 awp...

yes neo has good movement and good timing but walle is IGL for the most stable and succesful team ever more (i mean sk overall not only last 2 years) and hes been in world top 3 team last 5 years whilist being the IGL since mid NiP times if i remember correctly..

Post edited 2010-01-03 14:33:21
2010-01-03 14:30:45
Ofc he can't be top5 because he doesn't play with this gun too much and doesn't like this weapon but it doesn't mean that he is far worse to walle.
And as I said, neo didn't have such a good team, in my opinion walle and Neo are both mind players but neo better. I gave you examples, you didn't.
2010-01-03 14:50:23
he got the highest K/D in AGAiN?

i'm no fan of NEo, he is a very good player, no doubt about it. but;

awp=walle, it's kinda obv, since he is considered as one of the very best snipers(reason for him losing the awp in SK now, is cause he is better than kHRYSTAL with AK/colt imo)

ingameIQ=walle. i'm no saying neo is not a smart player, but here he is compared with one of the real masterminds within cs.

aim=neo, for sure. way better

imo, walle wins, byt ey? that's just me
2010-01-03 00:19:13
neo's maybe better than walle at aiming, but the awping and ig intelligence goes to walle no doubt. Neo's one madfragger from the team and he is mostly on the top of the scoreboard so how can you even say that?
2010-01-03 00:37:39
I don't agree
Just look at the demos Again
Neo win ~80% 1vs1 and a lot of 1vs2 or 1vs3.
Hi know whera are enemy.

Look this

www.sk-gaming.com/video/195472-WEM_neo_kills_four_TitaNs
2010-01-03 03:22:16
I've seen the clip, and that proves again that neo is probably a better aimer, as I stated earlier. Still, walle is more of a mastermind and he handles the awp better.
2010-01-03 11:02:14
If you'd know Polish, you would know that this movie is not about his aim, but reading the enemies, he knows exactly where they are, I think that his ingame intelligence is way better than Walle's.
2010-01-03 13:29:44
One clip doesn't prove anything. It's not that hard to hear where the enemy is. jeez..
2010-01-03 23:13:12
"Neo awp skill >= Walle awp skill" eh...you need help :D
"If you'd know Polish, you would know that this movie is not about his aim, but reading the enemies" and i assume you know swedish and have seen all the walle's clips :)
2010-01-03 23:41:49
walle not using awp nowadays? its the decade? and yes, Neo aim better but thats about it.
2010-01-03 01:28:30
by: twg
#580
Well ok,neo has better aim than walle,that's true.But you can't say that walle(who btw was votted for best awp of decade-although it means nothing in this case) is worse awper than neo,or even that he's equal to him.I agree that neo has great reflexes but walle is playing awp since i know for him(although it's true that lately he's not playing it,and i don't know why...but when he plays he shows the same skill like two or three years ago).And about the in-game intelligence ... i think that it's harder to be igl,especially in a big team like SK,where you must perfectly read your enemy,and that's why i think walle is a little better(and i say a little cuz neo is very smart player too)
2010-01-03 14:00:44
You sir, are wrong on every single comparison.

See what I did there? I pulled a fact out of thin air. Just like you did. You have no data that backs up your claims of Neo being better than walle and I don't have any data that backs up my accusation of you being wrong on all counts.
2010-01-03 16:56:30
Dont forget to create milion fake accounts to boost Neo !
2010-01-02 21:43:09
He wont need that. Among the 5 he's the best only walle can compete with him. ; )
2010-01-02 21:45:11
I am pretty sure that some HLTV.org admin will extract thoses votes from final score. It should be one (looong) sql statment ;)

Like: If your account is not old enough = your vote does not count :)
I hope it's like that.

Post edited 2010-01-02 21:48:22
2010-01-02 21:46:59
votes from multiple accounts have been and will be removed.
2010-01-02 21:47:36
Oh so that's why cogu's total dropped from 35 to 32 in an instant? Hahah Brazilians ftw.
2010-01-03 00:09:46
Don't laugh at Brazilians.. HeatoN lost 5%..
2010-01-03 00:55:06
haha swedes ftw
2010-01-03 20:17:55
But still Poles are the guys who make fake accounts to vote , while Neo lost just 1% , Sigh..
2010-01-03 20:24:16
In the country of Hungry :)
2010-01-04 18:19:45
you should remove votes from accounts not older like this vote or better a month older.
u cant filter every multi acc..thats not possible
2010-01-03 14:50:07
Fake accounts are not counted, we removed around 4000 votes from the 5 previous polls, we are not idiots.
2010-01-02 21:48:02
I know. So it means that there were fake votes for HeatoN too ?
2010-01-02 21:52:28
Yes.
2010-01-02 21:53:05
Hmmm... could you publish stats who get the most of fake votes? Ofc after all polls closed and comments locked, lol.

I am just curious that we (PL) have done it once again:D
2010-01-02 21:56:21
what for? to make another fanboys war?!
2010-01-02 22:03:18
you do know that even if every swedish guy would create 5 fake-accounts, were still outnumbered by you polish fellas? :D
2010-01-03 00:15:27
Oh my god, I don´t understand why some people makes a face accs for a poll like this. It takes like 2 minutes to do it and its really wasting of time... I like the idea but I don´t really care who will win it because everyone has his own favorite player and you dont really find the best player. It´s set only by achievements...
2010-01-02 21:57:09
Bah, making fake accounts it's profitable if you got some kind of bot/scripts creating accounts for you.
There is no captcha at the register form (I hate it;)) and I am pretty sure that creating new account+voting would be like 1 sec. Now start your fake-account-creator-bot for like one hour. You won!

PS You prolly need some wide range of IP's to register from :)
2010-01-02 22:05:39
Finding that bot would take me like one minute which I dont have :D
2010-01-02 22:07:34
And what will u do,how will u find out this one thing if: I have dynamic IP,I can use shadowIP,I can use about 900 of proxy servers,6 browsers (with cleaning cookies ofc),and many many accounts,so that would be about 60-100 votes per hour,if I would be not alone,voting will be not fair,u need to find new one voting system...Though I've never abused anything,I think this voting is unfair ;(
2010-01-03 08:25:47
Yea because you probably have 900 accounts created already, or wait, you'd need to create them in some automated fashion.. But you are correct, this isn't a fucking parliament election, and idiots with too much spare time can probably get a fake vote in BUT GUESS WHAT, that is why you should not get all fucking personal about this damn poll, PLEASE read my other posts in this thread and try to understand WHY we did this, grrr..
2010-01-03 14:42:10
I understood everything u said,and I'm not judging u,i'm just trying to open eyes for everyone else,that somebody can try to falsify voting,nothing special,cause only few of this users can do it.

Calm down,u can call me Neo hater if u want -_-
2010-01-03 15:27:38
i see less poles on this topic,once u ban them!nice job!
2010-01-03 10:56:55
how could u understand they were fakes :? maybe ppl signed up for only vote? dont get me wrong, just wondering :)
2010-01-03 22:44:57
nomad or nixon said that they removed 4000 fake accounts or something!
2010-01-03 23:49:21
Neo is the only one who can win that one imo:)
If f0rest or HeatoN were there it would have been a harder choise.
2010-01-02 21:46:26
Sucky nominees. Let me ask you,

where is potti, SpawN and IsKall in all of this? I could easily add more, it's silly of whoever chose the nominees not to add more players. They deserve it.

Neo winning european player of the decade is biased and the result comes more from patriotism than anything else. Not deserved.
2010-01-02 21:51:18
So true.
2010-01-02 22:42:56
IsKall? yeah, he is one of my favourites to, but he got nothing to do up here?

i'm missing element, heaton, spawn, ahl(?), xeqtr
2010-01-03 00:24:28
IsKall has nothing to do there? He surely does, my friend.
2010-01-03 01:42:01
iskall was a great player, but not top10 all time. top100 sure, but not 10.

needs spawn f0rest potti heaton and many m0ar
2010-01-03 08:07:15
I don't see why he shouldn't be in the nominee pool. If no one feels he deserves the award, he wouldn't be voted for.

But adding him to the nominees? I'd do it.
2010-01-03 12:28:34
so why don't you start your own website, make a voting for the best player of the decade and nominate iskall. maybe then you'll finally feel glad and fulfilled.
2010-01-03 12:45:19
Yeah, whatever dude
2010-01-03 12:55:45
and maybe he should exclude neo. that would be awesome.
2010-01-03 16:06:15
100% agree
2010-01-03 11:03:34
+1...IMO neo winning POTD is totally unfair :|...I thought Heaton deserved it :)...And Poles please dont start flaming again :|
2010-01-03 15:23:33
No need to vote, 'cause of all the polish fanboys.
2010-01-02 21:51:29
No, you are a fanboy.

Eevery NOT-SWEDISH person in the WORLD knows neo is much better than walle.
2010-01-03 16:58:47
May I ask you when you started playing cs?
2010-01-03 17:02:36
by: wun4
#55
I think this poll was a bad idea (though I recognize the nice intention, don't get me wrong).. for one, as many users point out, people mostly just vote along their nationality lines (when they can).. it's just frustrating to look at some results.. I much prefer what people from the Live on Three show are doing -> having only big esports personalities participate in their inquiry about the best player of the decade.. that way the results will be a lot more credible and prestigious.
2010-01-02 21:51:32
So do I, and there will not be any further polls, but we set out on this quest and must now finish it, we got a lot smarter, and we do learn from our mistakes.
2010-01-02 21:54:09
Sad to say but I think You'll have to close this thread for more comments. Looks like it's going to be cat fight one more time.
2010-01-02 22:11:13
and then people would cry about how they disagree with the choice. and why they weren't allowed to vote.

Post edited 2010-01-03 12:53:20
2010-01-03 12:47:13
I guess you were the only one who thought of that..
2010-01-03 16:53:31
by: FLT
#57
None of the above.
2010-01-02 21:52:54
Was wondering if I should bother voting objectively since nationality is gonna win this vote :P
2010-01-02 21:53:21
guys, stop complaining! It's not about the best players of the decade, it's simply about people's favourite players
2010-01-02 21:55:20
What a shame that HeatoN isn't there, I really think that from 2000 to 2009 HeatoN did more that NEO.

Some of the players in the polls started showing their skills around 2005 - 2006, however some have been there since 2000. Oh well... 85% of the votes were from guys that started playing not too much ago and probably don't know too much about the cs history.
2010-01-02 21:56:05
I really think that from 2000 to 2009 HeatoN did more that NEO.

you see... you think that, but more ppl don't - that's how voting works
2010-01-02 22:25:57
HeatoN has won far more prize money then neo, so in terms of achievements, yes he has ;)
2010-01-02 22:33:25
only prize money matters?
2010-01-02 22:34:23
The bigger the prize money, the bigger the competition ;)

heaton has achieved more, how can you disagree, only team that has done more then sk 2003 is fnatic 2009, and that was really close.
2010-01-02 22:35:27
imo who is best doesn't mean who achieved more
2010-01-02 22:41:53
I see your logic, those that win less are better, makes sense!

HeatoN was good in his time

neo is good in his time

only difference is that heaton won more.
2010-01-02 22:44:04
Heaton won more because he attended more tournaments and had better team overall...
2010-01-03 01:25:19
There are players that won more tournaments than NEO.

The overall skills around 2003 weren't the same as now... I bet NEO can win over HeatoN in a 1v1, but could NEO win against HeatoN when HeatoN was on the top of his career? Nah... :)

HeatoN has won more tournaments in the DECADE (that's what this topic is about) than NEO.

Oh and i'm not a fanboy... i never liked HeatoN too much, but i gotta agree... he's the best player of the decade, no matter who wins this retarded voting.
2010-01-03 02:37:22
No this topic is not about who achived more because it wouldn't make sense...

Did Heaton get all his achivments by him self ?? or did the team ?? this vote is about the Player of the decade not the Team of the decade.
2010-01-03 14:24:56
+1 :D
2010-01-03 17:00:17
Player of the decade doesnt mean BEST player of the decade. jesus christ @ you guys english skills. Its like talking to a freaking wall
2010-01-03 17:10:41
talking to a swed is like talking to a wall.
2010-01-03 17:14:49
shut up wuss, can´t even speak english, fucking brazilian cunts..
2010-01-03 19:12:07
hahah I can bet you any money my english skills are much better than your's,

But anyway what does "Player of the Decade" mean to you ??

Because to me it clearly means that it's the player that played the best during this decade....

But if it means something else to you than share it with us please.
2010-01-03 17:17:36
The majority of hltv.org thinks that HeatoN did more than neo during those years.
2010-01-03 00:41:03
Amen to that! :)
2010-01-03 15:26:17
If the majority thought that then Heaton would of won the european vote, wouldn't he ?
2010-01-03 16:48:25
Would be fun to extract the votes from people who voted for their own nationality. then lets see who won.
2010-01-03 16:57:20
yeah but that still dosn't change the fact that the majority of HLTV.org thinks that neo deservd to win. Yeah and 70% of votes for neo are propabally from polish people, so what ??
2010-01-03 17:12:26
Excluding you poles of course, he would've won otherwise. Forgot to mention that.
2010-01-03 23:09:43
too bad us poles are a part of this website :)

Post edited 2010-01-04 00:34:40
2010-01-04 00:34:05
You missed the point. Almost every single one of the poles voted for neo just because he's polish, from the same country. Therefore for the wrong reasons actually.
2010-01-04 15:33:49
You can't say neo has been a better player than heaton through this decade. heaton have achived a lot more then neo.
2010-01-03 20:19:40
We all know who's gonna win.
2010-01-02 21:56:27
who ?
2010-01-02 22:20:32
Filip "Neo" Kubski: (67%)
Nuff said.
2010-01-02 23:11:31
Of course Heaton!

I think the 5 players aren't really a worthy collection to answer the question of the best player of the decade but hey, it's your system ;-)

Then I'll go for Neo
2010-01-02 21:57:01
Neo's gonna win sadly, can't call him the best player but yeah, you can call him most popular. So I guess he deserves it in some way.

Where's HeatoN and SpawN? :/

Post edited 2010-01-02 22:05:28
2010-01-02 22:02:10
This poll is incoherent, because WALLE could not be in this list. It´s simple, if NEO is the best european player then WALLE can not be the best of the decade, without being the best european, since he is european.

So, WALLE can not win this one, since NEO won as the best european.

and my vote goes for NEO(I would like to vote for f0rest ;(... )
2010-01-02 22:02:26
walle--- but i now neo will win couse of polish fangirls.. btw HeatoN as said someone before...
2010-01-02 22:03:52
Well none of theese players deserves it really....HeatoN should win this...the only players that can be close to him imo is potti elemenT and SpawN and after them i would consider f0rest or neo. I would like to see players of top teams vote on this...that would have been atleast a little bit intresting but now its really not.
2010-01-02 22:04:05
by: rdnck - mTw
#86
the biggest mistake is FOR ME the lack of zonic ! this guy was winning events in the begining of cs and still nowadays ! and always with big teams/names !
2010-01-02 22:05:11
Agree. Zonic is brilliant. One of the best ever.
2010-01-02 22:09:54
Same here. Zonic deserve it.
2010-01-03 13:24:28
Seems like neo will win again..
2010-01-02 22:09:14
Is Neo a good player? Yes.
Is Neo one of the best players nowdays? Of course.
Is Neo Best Player of the Decade? No, I don't think so.
IMO, HLTV.org have failed this vote. -_-

We are talking about Decade!!
In Decade players like elemeNt, Xeqtr, HeatoN > Neo.
2010-01-02 22:09:56
Blame the users, not us.
2010-01-02 22:15:23
Excuse me, but this is your vote system. If you added GeT_RiGhT to European Player of the Decade nomination, you may didn't open the voting at all because of thousands of peoples who watch only frag movies and POV demos. There is the same situation with Neo. But I recognize that Neo plays on professional level more longer then GTR.

Post edited 2010-01-02 22:42:58
2010-01-02 22:40:55
We put up a vote, with players we felt like (at the least) should be nominated. How can we fail, if people (regardless of who they are and where they come from) vote for the new-age players? HeatoN, XeqtR, elemeNt were there, just not voted in.

Post edited 2010-01-02 22:47:58
2010-01-02 22:45:26
vote for them, but unfortunately as mentioned above - most users hltv.org - a new generation of gamers who look only fragmovie and sometimes POV. Accordingly, they simply did not know. Sad, very sad.
2010-01-02 23:28:08
i think all should understand something.! take the oscars or any other cine awards for instance.! u have only one award for best picture with 5 nominees , one award for best actor / actress with 5 nominess , but there are awards for best art director , best backgroud score , best comedian etc. in order to make voting fair every1 should be taken into consideration.! players like solo (1%) even though he might not have made it even to the top 10 if some 40 players from every1's input was cast to vote, but since making it a region wise, every1 gets a chance.


becoming the president of USA is way more harder and surely not equal to being president of cambodia or smthin(with total respect to my brothers there). so while there are many great players in europe only 5 could be chosen.

so i admire nomad , nixon , miraa for their excellent work , spending time for a FREE service.! which ppl tend to overlook.! so they deserve more credit.!


plz make more votes. it gets the website lively in these dull off seasons , instead of jus visiting the website finding nothing
2010-01-03 09:14:48
While i agree the users are to blame for large parts of it, i think only HLTV.org is to blame for having the 'Player of the decade' vote simply the 5 winners of the previous polls - i rekn thats really stupid no offence but oh well whats done is done.
2010-01-03 04:49:15
+1 fail for HLTV.org
2010-01-02 23:17:09
As some people already said, noone of them would won the tittle of best player of the decade if the voting system was not based on people's opinion/nationality vote. Best player of the decade had to be HeatoN. No, its not cause im swedish. Noone of this players were even known, yet HeatoN was already winning CPL's. D e c a d e guys, decade..

Post edited 2010-01-02 22:11:55
2010-01-02 22:10:25
but only now was the end of decade, and heaton retire years ago ;)

Post edited 2010-01-02 22:14:22
2010-01-02 22:14:07
do you even know the exact year heaton retired? Player of the decade isnt all about the most skilled one, but the player who most stands out for the game in 10 whole years. HeatoN has done way more to counter-strike/esports than any of these 5, by far. When you talk about counter-strike to a stranger, the first top player name he would learn about is heaton. (or maybe spawn, theyre the ones who standed out the most)

Post edited 2010-01-02 22:38:59
2010-01-02 22:29:27
105.
2010-01-02 23:48:11
and I reply on your statement, that heaton should win it, because he was top player sooner, that for example neo
2010-01-02 23:49:51
In terms of skill, neo is better than heaton. im not arguing that fact! Its just when it comes to counter-strike, heaton has done more than any of this players. And imo, he is the player of the decade, not cause hes the most skilled, but cause he is the face of counter-strike.
2010-01-03 00:15:23
So either heaton wins or the vote system is wrong xD
2010-01-03 00:58:55
Either wins a player that trully deserves the tittle or the voting system is a freaking joke, yes.
2010-01-03 15:57:11
So in other words everyone who doesn't consider heaton as the best player is a moron?:< I have different opinion. I think he doesn't deserve it. And thinking that votesystem is wrong because heaton didn't win is at least infnantile
2010-01-04 01:46:53
I agree Marcus :)
2010-01-04 21:42:17
I haven't read all the comments, but I do think this one as a win.

I voted for all the other pools, I won't vote on this one, 'cause I don't think none of this 5 players are "The Player Of The Decade".

Should be HeatoN, no matter what is happening nowadays at Counter-Strike scene.
2010-01-03 21:24:00
vote solo!
2010-01-02 22:12:31
1. neo
2. walle
3. cogu
4. frod
5. solo

but it should be heaton/element/spawn imo
2010-01-02 22:12:50
SpawN, HeatoN, elemenT and more sweden players?

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2010-01-02 22:51:02
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2010-01-02 22:52:28
(element aint swedish) fail.
2010-01-02 22:53:53
element sweden... fail

and it doesnt matter, what country
2010-01-02 23:47:12
I didnt say element was Swedish, I said that missing heaton, spawn, element and some Swedish players.
2010-01-03 00:53:14
well between those five the best is Neo, but for me the real player of the decade...

HeatoN 100+ =D
2010-01-02 22:14:46
what heaton did in 2006, 2007, 2008...? nothing? oh, ok...who gives a shit about 2002/2003? it's all about 2005-09/10 imo...

2010-01-03 14:41:05
one of the most retarded posts of this threat.
2010-01-03 22:53:46
fuckin' retarded
it's THE PLAYER OF THE DECADE not the player of the last 3 years
edit: over the last 3 years the mvp was f0rest

Post edited 2010-01-03 23:29:37
2010-01-03 23:28:53
by: ruk
#112
voted NEO, but my favorite player is HeatoN w+
2010-01-02 22:15:48
Without HeatoN, SpawN, and f0rest, I'd say NEO will take this easy.
2010-01-02 22:18:04
bla bla bla bla bla, maybe just vote ok ? :D
2010-01-02 22:19:28
Sorry guys, I refuse to vote in these terms.
GL to walle and frod anyhow.
2010-01-02 22:22:18
This thread will be closely monitored for abuse, and I am not afraid to hand out permanent IP bans to anyone not obeying the HLTV.org forum rules.
2010-01-02 22:23:48
Why just don't disable comments on the start , I'm sure it's gonna be another flame war.
2010-01-02 22:47:06
Yeh, there won't be any constructive discussions here. I can almost guarantee that.

2010-01-02 22:49:33
none of them
even tho I don't like him, SPAWN is the player of the decade!
2010-01-02 22:28:01
Not voting tbh.
2010-01-02 22:32:17
too bad you made it by continents, european stars can't compere in amount of legendsm would be cool if you put like 3 players from europe, 2 from NA, 1 from SA and 1 from Asia
this way it would be fair
2010-01-02 22:32:46
walle is good player, but neo is complete the best...
2010-01-02 22:37:30
I think NEo is #1 in this 5,but every one of them are legend...

Post edited 2010-01-02 22:51:29
2010-01-02 22:51:13
SpawN, HeatoN, elemenT and more sweden players?

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2010-01-02 22:52:36
(element aint swedish) fail.
2010-01-02 22:54:48
I didnt say element was Swedish, I said that missing heaton, spawn, element and some Swedish players.
2010-01-03 00:53:57
(element aint swedish) fail.
2010-01-03 11:34:52
i voted for walle, and i recommend you to do the same.
2010-01-02 22:53:42
Yeah !! Vote for Walle ! Just look this amazing ace against ex-PGS :D Neo & Co just got Pwned!!!xD
2010-01-02 22:56:45
yeah agreed a lot are from 2005-2009, but HeatoN would only be 2002-2005 at best.

The only true player in the poll who played for a majority of the time period at top level is Walle.

I dont doubt that now NEO > Walle now, but this isn't player of the year 2009, this is of THE DECADE.

Walle did it all, AWPS, Rifles, calls strats. I have no doubt that the best skilled player to play the majority of the decade is Walle.

If you did a poll in 5 years (2005-2010) it would be Neo, Forest, Get Right, etc etc, But it's not.

Walle +1
2010-01-02 22:56:55
i agree with you on walle.
but still, neo's movements and aim are far better than (almost) anyone's. right now he beats walle at almost every category so that is the factor that prevails from my pov. maybe some other player deserves the title more than neo, but not walle. tough call tho :) hf
2010-01-02 23:23:57
Walle came in 2004, Neo in 04/05 for example SpawN joined SK as standin in 2003 Correct me if im wrong.

Post edited 2010-01-03 20:11:41
2010-01-03 20:11:10
guys everbody has their own criteria. for me best player of decade is the best skilled one. and neo is more skilled than any other player. therefore, i voted for neo in every poll. maybe neo is not a legend yet but he is the most skilled.

btw, i have been playing cs since 2001.
2010-01-02 23:18:19
imo the the "player of the decade" is not the same thing as the "best player of the decade". We're not judging them on their skill, but on the importance they had/have on the cs scene
2010-01-02 23:25:45
That's your criteria. No one said anything about impacting the game while making the poll.
2010-01-02 23:39:09
Actually yes, the title said it. The poll is not about the "best" player, so we should not judge them on their skill. This way, the "old school" players would have no chance, since they stopped cs and quit training.

edit: my bad, it's written in the article "the best player of the decade" ;)
then i guess you're all right to vote neo, but that makes this poll a bit strange, imo judging new and old players on the same ground is not possible

Post edited 2010-01-02 23:48:14
2010-01-02 23:42:30
forget it. They dont understand. Even the few who understand pretend not to so they can freely vote for neo whenever they want. Yes, neo and f0rest are the most skilled counter-strike players of the decade, but they are NOT the Players of the Decade, not even close. Oh well..

edit: no, its not right "Best player of the decade", but "Player of the Decade", whom indicates that the vote its about the player of the decade overall, not only skill-wise obviously.

Post edited 2010-01-02 23:53:16
2010-01-02 23:50:57
So level of skill is bad criteria? Of course Swedish players will always have upperhand in any voting as such. They belong to the greatest CS nation in history and their branches dominated since the beginning. Not only thanks to heaton but tons of other brilliant Swedish players. The are too many aspects of the question "who is the best". You won't have objective answere no matter how hard you try.
2010-01-02 23:50:59
even if kabal was there, I would not give him my vote. You're right, imo the player of the decade is swedish, that's not fair but that's it. Anyway this poll is just about popularity, no need to take it too seriously, I just wanted to point out that skill was not the only thing on which to judge the players
2010-01-02 23:55:22
I agree. It wasn't. But i really don't get people getting fu***** crazy about Neo winning the vote. He's not some medicore shooter. Swedes had so many moments of CS glory I tend to think they demand to win anything considering the game. The poll showed that there are more supporters in Poland and it's pretty obvious with our 40 million count. But it shows how many new enthusiasts we have here. And i hope it will pay off in something more than just votes on hltv. Maybe we could give Swdes a break in the future and lead the scene...doubtfull, but would be nice.

Post edited 2010-01-03 00:04:29
2010-01-03 00:02:55
may 2010 be the year of the peace between the poles and the swedes!
the solution would be that mouz with roman kicks everyone's ass this year, i'm sure this website would be more peaceful ^^
2010-01-03 00:09:02
Well.. they have a very promissing lineup !
2010-01-03 00:12:23
True. Or -M- will come with an awesome 5th and pown everyone :P (yes there are french fanboys too ;))
2010-01-03 00:19:22
Well.. if they bring mSx in and get chemistry playing together, they can be a pain in the a$$ for some top teams i believe
2010-01-03 00:30:41
tbh honest i'm not really optimistic about their future, we've seen what their style is like when geno leads, and it's not brilliant. And there are not many skilled french players(harts excepted, but his style is just too different from M's style) more experienced at leading a team than Oz
i'd rather bet on the new ukrainian team and mouz for the team of 2010 ^^ (if fnatic accept to stop winning everythin...)
2010-01-03 00:37:04
And I think that may happen. Cause mouse roster is just amazing. We'll see.
2010-01-03 00:13:43
Sweden will always be the best cs nation just because its the country with the larger number of pro players capable of competing internacionally (and i mean Larger.) its a shame there are not teams in poland capable of competing with their country mans, it could help again getting 1 step ahead.
2010-01-03 00:10:00
That might be the case. And yeah it's sad we we have basically two teams if you count FX with their shaky, mixy roster.
2010-01-03 00:15:51
I believe thats the main reason that puts sweden as the best nation for so long. The internal competition keeps pushing fnatic and SK higher and higher. Btw, nice to have a constructive discussion with a pole :P you dont see that very often!
2010-01-03 00:24:51
We can't even talk to each other (Poles I mean) without some level of agression. Poland is the best country to get in a fight without any reason. And those kids just prove that sad dogma. Glad I could surprise You.

Post edited 2010-01-03 00:32:50
2010-01-03 00:32:30
You actually did. Nice dude ;))
2010-01-03 01:15:27
Out of those 5, neo is the most skilled. imo, neo and f0rest are the most skilleds cs players of all time. But this poll is about overall, not skill-wise-only voting. There are players who won almost everything and their prime and contribute wayyyy more to the electronic sports than any of these 5. This polls are stupid as hell, for the simple fact that people make them look stupid as hell.
2010-01-02 23:57:35
I get your point. But some people used "skill" as the main criteria. I think it's almost impossible to pick just one of all the greats that played the game. I placed my vote and would never flame peaople for doing otherwise. Just vote and let others vote. It's just an hltv.org poll. If you think heaton was the best i'm not going to argue you have every right to say so. And maybe he was. I'm just saying we can'y call one player best with a certainty.
2010-01-03 00:09:46
He wasnt the best when it comes to skill, i think he was the best when it comes to counter-strike ^^ and i get your point to, just a shame some people dont :\
2010-01-03 00:11:24
SOme people rather look for a fight than just talk to one another.
2010-01-03 00:18:04
i think neo won this competition when he won best european player of the decade. that list had the real stars
2010-01-02 23:21:48
...

are you f*in kidding me ?

solo and cogu but no f0rest, just picking one player in each category without taking into account achievements ? haha.

this poll is a huge joke, almost looks like you are doing this to piss off as much people as possible :l
2010-01-02 23:24:58
f0rest was there, but has been eliminated by heaton. Since there is no 2nd place, to know that heaton>f0rest is the only thing that matters to organize the final poll
2010-01-02 23:27:42
The way this was going to be done was clear from the start, 5 different polls and then a single poll to select from there, how the hell can it suddenly come as a surprise that we stick to the rules we put out?!

If you disagree then disagree, it isn't like we are the official player of the decade committee for this universe, we made this so people could reflect on the players of the decade, and new people could see who have had a big influence on the game. Christ stop taking it so goddamn personal that your favorite player is not going to win, it is getting seriously depressing that people cannot sit down and think for 2 seconds before going nuts in a comment.
2010-01-02 23:33:15
I'm pretty sure it wasnt clear in the slightest that the final poll (player of the decade) would be made up from the 5 previous poll winners - thats why everyone is so suprised/disappointed.
2010-01-03 05:15:03
Maybe people should have read the initial post www.hltv.org/?pageid=35&newsid=3460 which clearly outlines this then.
2010-01-03 07:30:12
I completely agree with you.

This poll was made as a joke :)
2010-01-03 02:52:45
its NEO, no doubt, he is amazing
2010-01-02 23:32:44
You look at the achievements and what the player has done for the game and its pretty obviously down to two players.

Cogu and Neo

Neo gets it cause he finished the decade strongly and 2 WCG wins is huge.
2010-01-02 23:38:38
+ 2 ESWC wins

and they are on WCG hall of fame..

Post edited 2010-01-03 02:39:26
2010-01-03 02:38:06
So ? Such retarded post.
2010-01-03 13:36:27
ur retarded.. go outside kid and stop flaming..
2010-01-03 23:43:12
HeatoN - 10(!!!) CPL and 1 wcg
2010-01-03 13:55:38
hmm yea you got right at european vote HeatoN should win 100% my fault. But from this 5 players NEO is best
2010-01-03 23:42:33
I know maybe is hard, but i think for another vote (if it is posible obviously) to, i dont know, ask 20 people of profesional, of another pages or people important on the gaming to vote.
And then post the %. And the winners.

i will like to explain my point better, but my english dont let me more hehe xD.

i vote for walle, he is the more complete player of this.

ps = i know u want users to vote but well is an idea.
2010-01-02 23:40:13
Out of those 5, it's definately NEO.
But Neo shouldn't have won the European Player of the decade in the first place..
2010-01-02 23:44:39
by: tud
#234
agree, neo shouldn`t have won european player of the decade, still he is an amazing player. but out of those five i`d have to pick walle thinking that out the entire cs scene today he has the most experience, playing at a high level for quite some time now
2010-01-02 23:56:08
voted for walle, because he is the only one in this poll, that is worth the name of the best player of the decade, but as i can see, neo has already won :)

at the end of the day this poll doesn't mean anything, because people will apreciate what such players as HeatoN, Spawn, Element, ahl and so on did in the past decade for cs :) if it wasn't for them, i guess we wouldn't have such players as f0rest (he was a fan of spawn if i'm not mistaken?).

congrats neo! peace
2010-01-03 00:03:58
Strange to see a poll like this without any of the 02-03 SK players...
2010-01-03 00:11:41
The only worthy people of a nomination there are walle and neo.

Personally I'd have SpawN, walle, Neo, f0rest and HeatoN there.
2010-01-03 00:15:16
To be honest walle has been a top player since 2004 (he was arguably THE best player in 2004/2005), Neo hasn't been a top player since 2004.
2010-01-03 00:30:07
and in 2008/2009 just low :D
2010-01-03 00:54:13
look at some hltv.org stats ;)
2010-01-03 01:02:16
tell him not me :D i know it
2010-01-03 01:19:38
so due to the fat he didn't have a top team he can't be the player of the decade?
2010-01-03 01:01:21
"since 2004" = "2004-now"

He's high, don't bother.
2010-01-03 01:04:25
I think walle deserves this, although it's kinda clear who will win this... again.

Post edited 2010-01-03 00:45:50
2010-01-03 00:34:08
decade players or 2006-2009 player?

..
2010-01-03 00:34:47
So as long as players hasn't played all 10 years he can't be the player of the decade?
2010-01-03 01:00:25
dude, its no doubt that neo is great, legendary player, but HeatoN and walle was before him and its not fair just to say that neo > all ... and something like that...
2010-01-03 01:07:06
It would not be fair to not give him this prize only because he wasn't playing in top team as many years as heaton or walle

Post edited 2010-01-03 01:22:20
2010-01-03 01:20:06
No, it's not fair to give him the prize he does not deserve.
2010-01-03 01:43:24
ok
2010-01-03 14:48:08
but its player of the decade, not player of last 4 years :)
2010-01-03 09:58:43
...
2010-01-03 14:48:28
dsn 2004-2009
2010-01-03 01:12:20
?
2010-01-03 01:22:06
Polish religious tard much?
2010-01-03 11:37:01
I know, as you say...
2010-01-03 14:44:42
Neo or walle? hard...
2010-01-03 01:09:56
The pole should loke like this : Shaguar, Element, Walle, Heaton, Spawn
2010-01-03 01:11:55
agreed
2010-01-03 20:41:10
there's lot of players out of the list that worth to be overall best player in decade.
i choose not to vote for anyone because i think it should be "best playerS in the decade" insteads of "best player in the decade".
there are so many players in my mind should claim this fame and it's hard to pick one of those players to be the best one.

Post edited 2010-01-03 01:16:14
2010-01-03 01:14:08
by: biL
#331
Today its maybe NEO, but Player of the Decade is walle.
2010-01-03 01:32:25
NEO
2010-01-03 01:37:18
Filip "Neo" Kubski: (65%)

Ok, this is just fucking embarrassing.
2010-01-03 01:38:18
why? just give me one good reason why not neo?
2010-01-03 02:33:04
Because HeatoN has won more than NEO in the whole DECADE, that's the only reason :)
2010-01-03 02:46:23
Neo deserves it too winning 4 years a row world cups(like eswc, wcg) is what caught my vote to him :)
2010-01-03 03:07:36
HeatoN won more tittles in 3 years than neo in 6 ;)
2010-01-03 17:04:07
The difference is that in heaton's time players were as skilled as ME LOL

Now players are really skilled and really prepared, and neo is still one step above them, simple as that.
2010-01-03 17:14:08
so, Pele isnt the best footballer of all time, since the competition back there was LOW and the players played as good as me. Long live the high IQ minds !
2010-01-03 18:30:02
You're right, BUT... you said, that Heaton WON in 3 years more then NEO in 6. The fact, that players were less skilled made it easier to win tournaments, so we can't compare achievements, MR high IQ mind.
2010-01-03 19:18:44
You fail at trying to be smart. I said that as a respond to some polish dude saying something about achievments so ;))
2010-01-03 22:50:48
Fine, your opinion, but there is nothing in my post which causes me fail.
The fact that it was a response doesn't change anything -.-
2010-01-04 18:27:03
yea marcus you got right heaton deserve it with 10 cpl wins but no heaton on this vote so i will choose neo
2010-01-03 23:48:41
out of this 5, i would also vote for neo without any doubt ^^
2010-01-04 15:35:23
Well, it's fucking impossible to talk whit you Polish guys. You can't understand a shit.
2010-01-03 17:01:22
srsly..
2010-01-03 18:30:58
as long as we don't find heaton the player of the decade we can't understand a shit, yea. ;D Swedish are so vain when it comes to cs ;)
2010-01-04 07:16:41
Tbh, I don't care much about CS teams/player/whatever. And I don't care if HeatoN is in this poll or not. But Neo is not even worth to be here.
And thats my opinion, you can't change it. :)
2010-01-04 14:28:10
Ofc, I accept that ;) and just cause of curiosity so where would you rank Neo? top20 at least? ;d
2010-01-04 16:10:24
I rank him top 5 ATM, but not even top 10 of the decade :)
2010-01-04 22:36:09
walle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2010-01-03 01:42:08
I refuse to vote because this vote doesn't include heaton or spawn! Or that I would say if I hadn't already voted for walle =(
2010-01-03 01:42:25
by: cRU
#341
now evry ewent is harder than 2000-2004
2010-01-03 01:43:15
Lets put aside the bickering here.

I wanna thank everyone at HLTV.org who put this voting together. I enjoyed the articles you wrote about achievements and how the players changed the game and i think its interesting seeing where peoples thoughts lay. I also think you did a good job putting together the winners of the previous votes into the Best player of the Decade. There are too many people that deserve to be player of the decade, so running preliminary polls and having the winners be the finalists was a good idea cause its makes the voting an actual system instead of your own bias.

Thanks staff at HLTV.org
2010-01-03 01:45:57
I'm glad at least one person caught our intent.. :)
2010-01-03 01:54:45
This vote is not who's playing longer but who played the best and who won the most prestigious tournaments. So what that heaton played before but neo dominated the scene cs. And the neo playing all the time and heaton career has ended.
Sory for my poor eng >[
2010-01-03 01:46:00
voting with heart: COGU
voting with reasoning: NEO

in this case i chose the heart >.<

happy new year
2010-01-03 01:58:43
From the above Neo and not from the above Neo :)
Stop moaning, if you don't want to vote for the above players than don't and stop writing posts asking where other players are because that won't change the fact of their absence in the list.
2010-01-03 02:10:21
I put people in three categories:

1. People who would vote for Heaton: They are oldschoolers who remember Heaton was more skilled than anyone at the time.

2. People who would not vote for Heaton: They think level of counter-strike is alot higher so Heaton wouldnt be so good now with his skill in his times or they are just new in this scene and they don't know him

3. Fans or patriots: <- Says enough =)

Its just my own theory, dont flame me :'(. I didnt knew alot about professional gaming and HLTV when Heaton was owning everyone so I'd go for Spawn, f0rest or Neo =D

This means I am no. 2!

Pce

Post edited 2010-01-03 03:05:55
2010-01-03 03:03:50
i agree, but in point 1 there also many people who says that HeatoN is the best even if they haven't watched any of his demos/actions etc. (Only because HeatoN is said to be the best player ever :D)
2010-01-03 13:14:55
Cause he is. Its like the pele/maradona story. Nowadays, they wouldnt be able to do half of what they did back then. But what matters is what they did in their prime, in their time. So yes, just like they are the best footballers ever, despite not having what it takes to do it nowadays, heaton is the best for putting counter-strike on the map competitively
2010-01-03 17:02:38
I know he is. But i wanted to show my disrespect for the people who say so even if they don't know anything about him
2010-01-03 17:38:09
This is preposterous! HLTV shouldn't had left the vote for this to the visitors.

Look at the fanboism... I never rage on this website or flame anyone and honestly I love Neo as much as the next guy but HeatoN not winning this is... is just... outrageous!

Honestly I don't know who to blame :S Either the new generation of Counter-Strike players or the polish fanboys.

The only reason why CS got were it is today is because of those old-school players. Player of the Decade transcends just raw skill. They are supposed to be a personality that have given more to the community than mousepads and win tournaments.

And the fact that Ksharp and SpawN were not even considered was so wrong.

HLTV completely dropped the ball here and this could have been an epic series of articles and just turned out pretty mediocre. If someone had the connections to make this awesome it was HLTV.org

For the first time I'm disappointed. Guest judges, more nominees, more background information maybe some epic footage I mean COME ON! It's been a decade of CS! Maybe some little interviews or something...

Well I'm signing off now. It's sad to see that the our beloved game doesn't warrant more hype than what it has received.

At least HLTV tried to do something unlike other websites that were built on CS and didn't even mention anything.

Edit: The only reason I said that HeatoN should had won is because he was the only one on the poll that deserved it (IMO) but there were other candidates like the one I mentioned earlier.

Post edited 2010-01-03 03:19:14
2010-01-03 03:17:42
omg u read my mind :o
2010-01-03 03:30:59
You are totally off your rocker. The whole point of this series of articles were to pay tribute to the great players of the decade, it was NEVER about the stupid vote, but guess what, had we just done the writeups, and no voting, everyone would have been screaming for some vote or decision on who was the best, say we then selected HeatoN, how do you think all the guys now voting for Neo would have reacted?!

The vote is inherently subjective, we know that, but at the same time it keeps HLTV.org clear of the rage from not selecting someones favorite player.

The whole thing was never about selecting this player and giving him some prize, it isn't like HLTV.org is the authority on history and legacy of players, so why are you getting so worked up about this thing? I really baffles me that people cannot see past the stupid vote.

We never wanted to name Nomad/Nix0ns/MIRAA's player of the decade, we wanted to present the players of the decade and the vote was a secondary thing to involve the community that so desperately wishes to express who they love of various players. (see the millions of forum topics about dreamteams, best players and so on)

Also if you hadn't noticed then we did these articles over Christmas, they were done specifically here because there'd be no news, this however also meant there would be no way to get in touch with players, old legends and so on as they'd obviously be spending Christmas with their families.

So to re-iterate, it was NEVER EVER about the STUPID vote, it was about highlighting the players of the decade as a way to have some news during the slow Christmas days.

Oh and Ksharp was in a vote, and what European player would you have removed from the European vote? Whoever you removed would have been getting the same treatment was SpawN is now, but the concept called for 5 players, so 5 were selected, of course with so many great players as Europe has/had some would be left out.

But hey we learned our lesson, next year we will most certainly NOT be doing anything like this, we will most likely just take a few days of vacation instead, and this isn't something I am writing to seem all hurt and angry, I am just stating that the kind of abuse we have been taking over this from people who never gave it 2 seconds worth of thought is just so depressing that I will never allow anything like it back on HLTV.org.
2010-01-03 03:48:54
Come on Nomad, we all know there are many ungrateful people here that dont appreciate the effort you guys make everyday, but there are other people that do it! and i personally really enjoyed reading the articles and almost re-living those great moments.. this is the really point of the poll. So please ignore those ignorants and keep doing your well done job! Thanks.
2010-01-03 07:58:04
its just a HLTV.org poll. its a vote for every hltv.org user. big deal neo wins its not like he gets a platinum AK-47 or something xD
2010-01-03 09:30:40
you polish guys only vote for neo because he is polish... Walle has been famous and playing on a proffesional level 3-4 years longer than Neo, and he still does.

So to me it's quite obvious that Walle should have the award
2010-01-03 03:57:28
i watched neo for the first time on HLTV in 2004, i dont think walle was playing it professionaly since 2001
2010-01-03 06:27:30
what logic is that? some retard XXXX has been playing cs professionally for 12 years so he is the best for sure!
2010-01-03 10:37:04
you are so funny ...
2010-01-03 12:25:19
They should come up with other meaningful titles such as

Most Entertaining player of the Decade
God Father of Cs
Best Aimer
Best Fragger
Best Jumper
Best Bomber
HeadShot King
Most Feared Player etc
2010-01-03 03:57:44
best aimer, fragger, headshot king. all the same? what a joke xD
2010-01-03 18:21:40
Yes!!! it's Neo!!!
2010-01-03 21:45:33
SpawN?
Heaton?
Potti?
Fisker?
ElemenT?
...
2010-01-03 04:16:43
To me walle is the most complete counter-strike player ever. There is no part in the game that he does not have perfect control over. He is a fantastic awp player, maybe the best of all time, he is a great rifle player, an awesome teamplayer and a tactical mastermind.

Neo beats him in aim, but to me that is the only thing...

However, if I could, my vote would have gone to HeatoN. Without him CS would never have grown this big. He is the first and biggest icon, and a lot of todays top players have him to thank for their success. He has been very important in the struggle to get CS accepted by media as more than a regular videogame, at least here in sweden, and I'm sure he will be just as important in the future...
2010-01-03 04:26:41
legends list:

Potti, HeatoN, Ksharp, elemeNt, XeqtR, SpawN, walle, f0rest, NEO

honorable mentions:

ahl, Hyper, vilden, cArn, KIKOOOO, Roman R, cogu, fRoD, shaGuar, zonic

side note:
everyone who played in the same team as all the above players deserve a team credit, anybody who understands the core of our beloved CS knows nothing is achievable without your teammates.
2010-01-03 04:29:14
lol Roman R. seriously!?? he is like bruno, ins, warden... is good but always the less skilled of the team
2010-01-03 06:24:02
i think he meant Roman without the "R." xD cuz Roman R. sucks
2010-01-03 14:34:45
skill jumping ?? sure on neo .... ;D

But evry1 vote the best player awp...sure walle

AWP NEO<Walle
aim Neo>wally
action 1hp,3vs1 (pgs&mtw)etc...Neo
so player Decade is Kubski ;))

Solo, Frod, Cogu wtf:(((
Spawn, Forest, Heaton, Element or Potti where is this players ?! ;o
2010-01-03 04:47:26
WTF? Solo... only best asian player? Cogu... only best south american player? Frod... only the best north american player?

Stop and think a little. >,<
2010-01-03 14:27:26
None of the above, was stupid to have the player of the decade simply the 5 winners from the previous polls as more likely than not (and as can be seen) 3 or even 4 of the votes are worthless and do not deserve to be there.

Out of all the people who had the option to vote for them in the 5 polls it should be HeatoN, out of everyone ever it should have been SpawN.

Thanks HLTV.org for doing this though, its been great, i just hate this final player of the decade vote and think it was done stupidly. The rest of it was awesome though and i enjoyed reading the player historys etc! :D
2010-01-03 04:52:33
exactly, you are smart. walle had 1 good year, shouldn't be up there. cogu is a decent awper, shouldn't be up there. neo has some of the best aim ever. frod is one of the best awpers ever. solo shouldn't be up there, he can't stand a chance vs anyone of those up there. i would have put heaton, spawn, potti, vilden, xeqtr, element, tentpole, zet, allen, robban, anyone of those could easily be better than walle or cogu.
2010-01-03 10:04:04
+1
2010-01-03 14:56:54
cogu is a DECENT awper and frod is ONE OF THE BEST AWPERS EVER LOL

Keep going.
2010-01-03 17:09:34
The new public does not know who the other players and vote on current and NEO Walle and not that they are not good just that they vote at the time being that the vote will include the "decade"!!!
2010-01-03 05:19:20
NEO of course!! no doubt!!
2010-01-03 05:39:28
Before this gets locked, i wana get my 2cents in. If you dont like it, dont vote. There is no need to be whining little dicks about it and ruin it for everyone else - including those that put a lot of hard work into it.

Some of the comments posted recently are shameful. If you get that worked up on an esports website, perhaps its time to re-evaluate your lives. Good luck in the real world haters.
2010-01-03 05:46:42
ppl crying about no heaton/potti/xeqtr/element you had the chance to vote them over neo in the euro player of the decade. If they didnt beat him there why would they beat him here? the logic is amazing
2010-01-03 07:51:55
Its very hard to choose.
I think that neo have more constance than the others.

Post edited 2010-01-03 09:03:35
2010-01-03 09:03:04
not a question, solo ofc :D
2010-01-03 09:11:44
to be honest, all final top 5 are players that still play)))))

this is a joke.
2010-01-03 09:13:09
OMG NEO isn't long enough on top to take this title about five years known or something?

walle from oldskool till now, rly amazing performances. If anyone deserves this title, it's him
2010-01-03 09:26:21
HAHA people still whining about neo saying he can't be > players like heton, potti, etc.. you guys have to realize that new talents may come out [neo is not that "new" btw] and smash your idols.
BTW yes, NEO wins this vote

Post edited 2010-01-03 09:33:18
2010-01-03 09:32:40
Of course he wins it, just as he did win the european player of the decade, which he btw didn't deserve. Sure there are new upcoming talents but I don't get why you people vote neo over HeatoN. It's pretty clear who's the player of the decade if you compare tournament results, time spent in the scene, influence on the scene and just involvement in the scene. Neo is a great player, but HeatoN is way ahead.
2010-01-03 11:09:50
No need in trying to make stupid people understand it. 80% of the users follow the scene since 2008 or somethin. Some of the ones who voted in neo never even seen heaton playing in his prime. I know the objective of hltv.org wasnt the voting, but it came so stupid that its impossible to not mention it.
2010-01-03 15:53:23
haha funny thing you calling stupid people who are clearly right. you must have some major issues dude, at the moment neo is far BETTER than heaton. bye
2010-01-03 19:11:46
dude seriously, im so sick of people who dont even understand english arguing with everything. This threat is about the Player of the DECADE!! D E C A D E!!! and you say "neo now is better than heaton" like wtf? of course hes better than heaton, heaton retired, neo kept playing. In their prime, neo has more overall skill than heaton, no question about that. But heaton as done way more for esports/cs than neo. He has won more than neo. He has been way more impact in the game than neo. jesus christ is it so hard to understand? this is not about the present, not about whos the most skilled. JESUS!
2010-01-03 22:58:18
I got your point but you can't say that heaton is better just 'cause he has won more than neo. we're not living in 80s anymore, it's even stupid compare players who retired to active players. BTW you have to accept that people got preferences. some prefers neo playstyle.
2010-01-04 00:27:49
Dude.. i didnt say heaton is better! NEO is more skilled than heaton ever was, no question about that. neo is better player overall than heaton. And i know people got preferences, but this is a poll for the player of the DECADE, a poll where the player who won more tittles, did more to cs/esports then anyone and who putted his life on the game should be considered. Its not about the Most Popular player of the decade like.. you shouldnt be able to vote on neo just cause hell, i like neo. get my point?
2010-01-04 15:28:33
Neo, one and only ! ONE IS NEO !
2010-01-03 09:35:29
Sorry SpawN is the player of the decade. We're not gonna vote.
2010-01-03 09:41:16
In the choices given..Neo SHOULD win easily...

But I don't think the list is even near to what it should be....
2010-01-03 10:03:32
ya obvly i dont think ny1 would consider solo/ford/cogu ahead of heaton/spawn/forest/element... frankly, whoever is european player of the decade is definitely wordl player of the decade..
I am afraid this poll isnt even going to be close..
2010-01-03 10:30:25
true
spawN #1
2010-01-03 10:04:04
I think walle is the best
2010-01-03 10:23:09
undoubtedly NEO the best european player both the best player of the world and one of the most successful among nominees. but it seems to me - SPAWN simply have offended. SPAWN Hasn't received any nomination IN GENERAL!!!
2010-01-03 10:53:16
The victory of Neo for the best player in Europe is debatable, but this vote Neo should win because he's stronger player compare walle, cogu, etc

But Spawn, Heaton and Potti should be in vote
2010-01-03 10:58:37
I think that walle really is the player of the decade. In-game leader for his team, been for 7-8 years and being constantly year after year able to come up with new and varied strats keeping his team on top, while at the same time playing phenomenally individually.

neo is great with his aim and brain but because cs is a team-game walle is just WAY better overall.

Think about if like this, you had a shitty team with 4 bad players. Put walle or neo in the team, which would make the team better? walle.
2010-01-03 12:00:34
+1, my thoughts exactly
2010-01-03 17:54:12
I agree with you.
2010-01-03 23:32:26
Pretty hard vote, no doubt neo and walle are the persons to choose. But seeing the difference between them two, one is in-gameleader the other is just a player, which most likely makes the aim from neo better, he has less to concentrate on ( walle has to concentrate on all 5 players + tactics etc etc )

I think it's better to vote on the long term, and walle definately wins on that. It's for the whole decade people not only the last 2 years ;)
2010-01-03 12:10:30
+10000
2010-01-03 12:14:20
+1
2010-01-03 17:54:24
2 last years xd hahah you shld kill ur self rly xd
2010-01-04 11:09:10
Please keep the word spam to a minimum, else Nomad will go into frenzy stance.
2010-01-03 12:22:13
Kind of a lame vote, since none of the nominees are even close of being the best player of the decade.
2010-01-03 12:54:48
One of them actaully is...But this poll is really lame imo. solo? frod? wtf hltv?

- forest
- heaton
- neo
- spawn
- XeqtR ? maybe someone else..

That's how this poll should look like...I personally think that it's all about forest and neo. They both are waaaay better than anybody else + owning in 2006-09 is much more difficult than in 2002-05 cause now cs is on much higher level than it was in 2003 for example...

Post edited 2010-01-03 13:11:09
2010-01-03 13:07:25
We explained how it would work at the beginning, the winner from each continent and the best AWP player would make up their own poll, from which the best player of the decade would be voted.
2010-01-03 13:11:30
Nothing is harder today than before. That argument sucks.
2010-01-03 23:33:49
Neo by far. He was the best player in the world since 2005 when polish guys won SEC, and there is no other player in this poll who won 5 major tournaments - WCG 2006, EM 2007, ESWC 2007, ESWC 2008, WCG 2009... Come on, it's not about fanboys from Poland, it's about what his team accomplished and he was a big part of this success.
2010-01-03 13:18:56
yeah i agree with u.
2010-01-03 15:34:45
Neo from this 5, i agree. But all of the players worthing the tittle, neo is far from deserving it as much as them ;))
2010-01-03 15:54:49
you always say who "deservs" like ur vote was more important x] I wont understand u swedish
2010-01-04 11:13:08
Let my explain then. I dont vote on HeatoN just cause hes swedish like you guys do, i dont vote on heaton just based in aim-wise, like you do, i dont follow the scene from 2007/2008, like half the people who voted do. Ive said it already, if heaton was norwegian/polish/portuguese/whatever, i would still say hes the one who deserves more, cause he actually is without any doubt.
2010-01-04 15:23:38
this vote was a good idea but the result is a joke in my opinion.
because many people here are prejudiced and their votes are not impartial.

i love neo and i am sure he will be in 3-5 years the player of the decade...but not now.

and people who dont played or watched cs before neo cant understand this.
2010-01-03 14:25:39
I am agree about the fact that walle is playing much longer than neo, but the polish has won more titles
2010-01-03 16:03:35
before neo means before more then half of the decade

Post edited 2010-01-03 20:56:35
2010-01-03 20:47:18
this poll is funny pls rename it to "my fav player atm"

sad that all the polish ppl did vote for neo ofc hes god but hey a decade is a decade .....
2010-01-03 15:44:27
i voted for him too ..
best aim ever, best move, nice awp and he has won more titles than walle
2010-01-03 15:57:08
I would love to see the captains of the actual top teams, some world known managers and some major faces connected to eSports voting in 1 single player for Player of the Decade. I bet anything that noone of this 5 would even get a vote.

ps: and im not refering only skill-wise like the majority of you guys vote, but to who's the player of the decade if you compare tournament results, time spent in the scene, influence on the scene and just involvement in the scene.

Post edited 2010-01-03 16:03:00
2010-01-03 16:01:20
In my list, HeatoN would be the number 1, SpawN second and Neo third, but since there's only Neo to vote (FOR ME), I'll then vote for him..
2010-01-03 16:01:27
From this 5 players it's neo or walle, but imo neo is better than walle. walle is one of my favorite players, and he is one of the best in the world but as I said many times before, neo and f0rest are the best in the world right now.
2010-01-03 16:05:28
How to understand - The best player? This conception is not exist.Teamplay-first, not one player!
2010-01-03 16:16:18
I certainly respect and appreciate and support the work HLTV.org did, but this poll isn't succesfull because people will vote with fanatism or patriotism, not for the real best one. Just like some guy who hates argentina will never chose Maradona as best, and some guy who hates Brasil will never chose Pele as best, that's why neutral and important organizations decide that things. Maybe best thing was for you guys to pick the best or the 3 bests and don't let others decide.
2010-01-03 16:22:55
#678 n where was NEO when heaton won 9 cpls? watching heaton on hltv?

Post edited 2010-01-03 16:46:27
2010-01-03 16:44:12
Yes - and where was HeatoN when neo won 2xWCG and 2xESWC ? Watching stream...


Post edited 2010-01-03 17:35:21
2010-01-03 17:34:41
idiot.
2010-01-03 17:43:37
fail :D but thanks for the laughs!
2010-01-03 17:58:32
Oh sry I forgot - he was coaching Stockholm Magnetics in CGS ! Yeahhhh...

ps. Don't forget I'm a SpawN fanboy rather than neo.
2010-01-04 22:41:23
He were at the GYM, so he could assit neo become not fat anymore
2010-01-03 20:33:44
stupid fanboy
2010-01-04 02:03:11
I don't think it's anyone of these 5, but out of these it's definitely neo, no doubt about it.
2010-01-03 16:46:52
are you sure you know about 2000-2005 cs scene? you were 6-8years there
2010-01-03 19:18:12
How can you be 6-8 years between the years of 2000 and 2005?:/ Something went wrong there, mister.
2010-01-05 21:57:09
I can't believe these guys.

To say neo will win because of the polish fanboys? You are the real fanboys to even THINK walle compares to neo. Cause he isn't even close.

Neo won't won because of polish fans, he will win because he deserves it.
2010-01-03 17:03:36
Deserves what? Beeing called the best player of the decade together with f0rest? yes, he deserves. Being called the Player of the Decade? Just ridiculous.

btw, noone of these 5 deserve. not neo, not walle, not frod. ive stated my opinion as someone who follows the scene since 2001, not as some nooby retarded who started watching cs in 2008 and only knows f0rest and neo ;))

Post edited 2010-01-03 17:06:40
2010-01-03 17:05:22
Let me say I watch it since 2006.

But I've downloaded a TON of heaton's povs and NIP's demos. I've also been a great fan of walle, but I still know that he is not as good as neo, nor good as cogu with an awp.

Ok, he is more complete, cause he is versatile, but if it was something to vote for, solo would deserve the title as much as walle.
2010-01-03 18:14:06
Read what i wrote again. Imo. neither of them deservers the tittle. and yes, out of those, neo is the one who most deserves it. OUT OF THE 5!!
2010-01-03 18:27:28
ok pro why you arent on this hall of fame ?
i honestly can call you swedish fanboy
forest bla bla bla...
walle bla bla bla ....
when comes big events they always lost ;]
2010-01-03 18:17:10
Jesus christ... May god have mercy on your soul young man! Im not a swedish fanboy, if heaton was norwegian i would still say he is the one who most deserves the tittle, but by far. "They dont win anything" - WHAT? you must have been sleeping under a rock this year my friend. And dont even start talking about achievments, heaton won more in 3 years than neo in 6 so ;))
2010-01-03 18:26:04
ok my freinds...
where you see me saying that heaton is "low" ?
i said that walle isnt best player of the decade...
i know that heaton was awesome but still i think that he play to short ... he retired 3 years ago?
walle dont win anything special.
2010-01-03 22:36:34
I watched everything from the beginning... Is HeatoN 1 of the best? Of course he is. Neo won the pool 38-32, that is not much... Neo did not play on the superstar level 2002-2004, when HeatoN did it. But when game started to go to the fifth gear, HeatoN retired, and he is inactive for years. There is no doubt that he is the FATHER of the game. Neo won everything that it could be won (maybe at some events polish guys were top3), 2xWCG+2xESWC is hard to beat these days. I agree HeatoN's BUNCH of CPL titles and finals are equal, but I think NEO has the best feeling in the game ever. HeatoN was the man to beat in the European player of the Decade, and NEO did it... I think f0rest got overrated at that pool, cause many people started playing&hanging around 2005+ voted f0rest... I sincerely think he was 5th in the pool, but it's just me ;) He was the player of the year, but... XeqtR & ElemenT, what else to say but total respect ;) HLTV.org tried to make more pools, to show respect to different kind of players, and I give them a bow for that. Even though XeqtR&ElemenT deserve some title to take ;) I wouldnt talk much about other continents, I think the same problem is shaGuar/fRoD situation, but never the less, great job ;) This pool would be very funny if all Chinese/Koreian boys who play the game would start voting xD
2010-01-03 17:23:44
I know it sounds crazy maybe, but i would have liked to see the best european player of the decade with all the votes from sweden and poland removed. If Neo still won i would be convinced that the majority of people think that Neo should win. And i know it is a comment on "player of the decade" but would Neo be in this thread if he didn't win the european player vote?
2010-01-03 17:37:33
He wouldn't be? HLTV.org made 5 different votings, and picked the winners to make an ultramegagiga vote for the player of the Decade?
2010-01-03 17:40:45
I know. I was defending my comment if anyone would criticize it, not having anything to do with this thread "player of the decade"

because it has.
2010-01-03 17:48:28
I not fanboy but who except Neo still won 2 times wcg? And 2 times ESWC? The people to argue at whom it is better aim... Why have solved that only aim is criterion? Why the best racer the one who has fast taken place the most difficult site is considered not, and that who of more cups held in a hand? Important that the player has achieved. It is possible to have super aim, but to be constant in calm, and it is possible to show simply stable and competent game without errors. Neo has in hands 4 cups of the largest tournaments. it not a trifle. It speaks about much. It is not enough to have super aim, it is necessary to be able to show moral qualities to win solving games. Only so it is possible to be the best.



Who has still won as much large tournaments? I do not know.Or for example the player of the team which constantly wins the championship of the court yard, but has never won the championship of the city, it is better than the player which has some times won the city championship? Sorry for idiotic comparison :D:D:D

If the Polish person votes for the Polish player I think it not the fan, and the patriot)
The fan and the patriot is different things.
and my english is bad,yes.:D


my vote for neo.

Post edited 2010-01-03 20:25:27
2010-01-03 20:20:44
Lol I love how neo is has top percentage, You guy have to understand this is the DECADE not the past 2 years. Granted Neo is a B-E-A-S-T, BEAST, but Walle has done more proven things than neo and at that Walle has been famous since like 03 or something like that, but basically I dont think these polls are even based on best players of the decade people are voting as if its a poll about the current best player...gfg
2010-01-03 20:21:48
I think that if it's voting for a player of the decade, only votes from accounts that were active in whole decade should be count. Then it would be fair, that's all.

Regards from Poland - land of fanboys and population of patriots by Roman G. :D
2010-01-03 20:44:30
The thing people tend to forget is, the the player doesn't win, the whole team does.
2010-01-03 21:36:35
by: rw
#820
good point.
So, who is the best?
2010-01-03 21:40:06
If it wasn't for HeatoN, these players that are in this poll wouldn't even exist right now. HeatoN practically invented the "eSport professional player". You voters failed big time in choosing the best European player of the decade. Like I said in the "Best European player of the decade" thread, that poll shouldn't included f0rest and neo. Instead of them Potti and SpawN we're a better choice.
ps: I didn't vote.
2010-01-03 22:28:40
good point ! i think neo is really european best player & f0rest to
2010-01-03 22:31:49
Neo is the best and as for the others it also congratulations;]
2010-01-03 22:32:10
People like you really make the polish look so goddamn retarded. Make your opinion on something more then just because you want to vote on players from your own country.

Post edited 2010-01-04 16:44:34
2010-01-04 16:44:01
cogu
2010-01-03 22:32:16
NEo
2010-01-03 22:34:55
lost alot of faith when heaton didnt win best european player...
2010-01-03 22:39:53
between Neo and walle =]
2010-01-03 23:34:19
Is it me or does 75%+ of HLTV don't even know anything about what happened before 2006-2007 ? God, people that say neo is the best just because he fragged more in the past two years... Just wow.
2010-01-03 23:36:46
wooord
2010-01-03 23:45:43
sad but true...
2010-01-03 23:55:14
by: duka - aaaa
#864
yea we know that you are an old schooler but you must learn to respect each other oppinion "veteran"
2010-01-04 00:07:53
It's just useless to make people vote for players that are too old school. Why HeatoN or XeqtR didn't win against Neo is beyond me.

And I respect the "newbies" to CS, I just am disappointed to realize that.
2010-01-04 00:38:46
well im not a newby and still i dont think Heaton is the best player of the decade. cheers
2010-01-04 11:25:39
+1 :(
2010-01-04 00:07:59
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhgwxYtHUBw
2010-01-04 00:01:32
elemeNt & ahl & HeatoN
Noone of this five deserves this title...
its just a popularity, also a LOT of PR for Kubski
people should watch more old-school demos

Post edited 2010-01-04 00:25:07
2010-01-04 00:16:40
Cogu

é o melhor :)
2010-01-04 00:31:37
Of these 5 walle is the best player of the decade, I'll let all his won prizemoney & performances prove that.

Post edited 2010-01-04 00:36:29
2010-01-04 00:36:07
neo ofc!
2010-01-04 00:45:37
Walle is without a doubt the player of the decade, considering he has been around much longer than neo. And walle is also a very good strat caller IGL and walle is a very good aimer aswell he Handles the Awp amazingly


Imo walle is the player of the decade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZfLJdn6Vn0&feature=fvw nuff said 1vs5 against PENTAGRAM

Post edited 2010-01-04 00:56:58
2010-01-04 00:54:50
walle 1x5 vs pentagram???



i think Neo 1hp vs Nip was better)

Post edited 2010-01-04 01:11:02
2010-01-04 01:09:23
tru and in that match 1on5Neo still won most of the 1on1 with walle ;)
2010-01-04 07:26:46
only swedes voted for walle .. :>

2010-01-04 01:07:14
I agree ;) Walle is the boss, but NEO is just NEO ;) I think, you are saying about some marks and consistency... When Polish guys started to be competitive, they are at the top of the hill for years... NEO is probably the main reason for such consistency, and these 5 are probably the best squad ever.. I allready said, HeatoN is the father, but this man simply knows where his opponents are, and he hunts them down ;) When you watch other player's POV demos, many of top players look like noobs comparing to NEO ;)
2010-01-04 01:21:58
seriously, most of the polish guys here are totally biased. Neo is really amazing,no doubt. However, one decade = 10 years, and Neo has been starting winning big tournaments for like 3 years...(best player of the "decade" is simply best player of cs history since cs is about 10 years old)

and nowadays, I believe that most of the cs players weren't playing cs when players such as Potti, XeqtR,..etc were still "active"... do you even know that teams called esu, eol, 2easy,3d, etc existed??? don't forget that without them, neo would have never been what he is right now.

To believe that neo is the best player of the decade is like saying that rooney > ronaldo (the real brazilian one) or Button > Schumacher.

The best player of the decade should be someone like heaton, potti, xeqtr, element, rambo,etc. Players that you guys are still talking about even though they retired before you started playing cs.

Neo is really good, but we'll see in a few years if he will have managed to keep such a high level like ahl did during his whole career.

anyways, out of those 5 players neo and walle are probably the ones who deserve it but they are still far behind heaton, potti, xeqtr, etc.

2010-01-04 01:11:58
1. I guess, many people, not only from Poland vote for Neo, enough to read the comments.
2. I'm pretty sure Schumacher is a living legend and it's not so bad to consider him as best
3. still, Heaton achieved more - agree, Heaton deserves it more - agree
2010-01-04 07:24:40
player of the decade : elemeNt !
2010-01-04 01:15:16
HeatoN, SpawN, ahl > neo
2010-01-04 01:17:47
Let's just make a poll about football...

Who's the best player of the history:

1.Pele
2.Maradona
3.Cristiano Ronaldo
4.Ronaldihno

Doesn't make sense right...? Ronaldo didn't play against Pele or Maradona... so didn't Ronaldihno... so how can you say who's better?

Same goes with this... HeatoN didn't (i can be wrong) play against Neo when HeatoN was so called the best player of CS in the world.

But well... unfortunately we have lots of fanboys in here.

(Waiting for a reply from a polish guy talking shit and licking Neo's ass)
2010-01-04 01:33:53
lol dude... at first my exemple was
Ronaldinho > pele, maradona but then i realized that was bullshit because in the last 10 years, maradonna and pele didnt play soccer :D

that exemple is not the best one but seriously, in the last 10 years, there is no way rooney > ronaldo :DD
2010-01-04 01:54:05
H@H@H@H@H ronaldinho > pele omg!fail
2010-01-04 02:13:34
walle?? the best awp? you fuck kidding me ? OMG..

2010-01-04 01:53:20
I kinda get tired reading posts arguing who should have won this poll. Well, to start off, the question "Who is the best player of the decade" is NOT even a rationally valid question. One cannot say and compare these players basically because of these 2 things:
1. The game has evolved so much that you cannot evaluate two different players coming from different eras. The play style and tactics are in very different levels.
2. There are many aspects of the game that you cannot easily compare. Making strats, calling strats, aiming, ability to clutch, and so much other things--they are all different. Well one can argue that walle is a better overall player than neo since he's the one calling the strats before in his team. But let's be a bit more realistic here.

Try to take the NBA for example, when the Chicago bulls dominated in the 90's, it wasn't Phil Jackson who's the talk of town. It was Michael Jordan. We know that Phil is a great part of the team's success but hey, it was MJ who was making 50 points a game and winning all those nail-biters. Compare the roles of walle to Phil and neo to MJ. Why do MJ get MORE attention than Phil? Because sports (or e-sports) is about performance which we spectators are fund of watching. The same reason neo has 10x more fans than walle. But don't get me wrong, both these players deserve much recognition. And tell you what, it isn't Phil Jackson's statue outside Chicago's stadium, it's Jordan's.

Now try to calm down and be more rational.
Hand it to neo, he deserves it.

Sry for the long post.
2010-01-04 01:59:51
man... jordan was the kind of player that makes eveybody in his team playing good. He is a true leader and team player. on the other hand, Kobe bryant might have better statistics than jordan but that guy sucks and only thinks about himself
2010-01-04 02:10:58
who said anything about kobe? :D
2010-01-04 02:20:18
basically wanted to show that its not only about performance like u said, otherwise kobe > michael

Phil Jackson would have never been able to win anything and form a real team if jordan wasn't here...jordan posses a skill that phil and kobe dont have: he unified everybody around him and made them play good.

Jordan is kinda like the current ice hockey coach of russia, Bykov :DD
okok should stop making all those comparisons, it has nothing to do with cs lol
2010-01-04 02:28:40
Yes I agree, but the point of mentioning them is that what people WANT to see in all sports and even e-sports is how the athletes perform. And that's the reason neo has more fans than walle. Well, we don't really watch a game to see a coach "coach", if you know what i mean. :D

Guess we are getting so off-topic.
2010-01-04 02:45:08
here u go! who is the best coach at football manager 2009?

haha ;)
2010-01-04 02:51:29
Bryant doesn't suck! I agree Jordan was better, but Kobe doesn't suck anyway :D
2010-01-04 22:51:07
walle & NEO
2010-01-04 02:27:01
cogu > fRoD HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!
2010-01-04 02:41:24
bullocks no spawn ? well start voting for walle

Post edited 2010-01-04 02:51:44
2010-01-04 02:46:13
elemeNt will win this pole
2010-01-04 03:19:04
This title should be " CS Idol of decade" :))
2010-01-04 03:37:19
true
2010-01-04 04:52:40
Der is no point in comparing 2 players, walle is gud wit his strat calin n awp , neo is gud in clutch n aim, d topic must b "d favorite player of the decade" dat suits welll.
2010-01-04 04:59:42
LUq ftw :)
2010-01-04 17:26:31
Neo no doubt.
2010-01-04 05:58:03
neo
2010-01-04 06:00:25
just because right now Neo is better then walle he deserves the vote ?
And how can the people say walle has more titles then Neo because he got better team ?
Dont forget about the titles walle has won in the spiXel and EYE time he didnt had such a great time at the time.

Next time i see a thread AGAiN vs SK i hope the guys who posted here "Neo doesnt have more titles then walle because walle has better team " will say AGAiN is going to win vs SK or the tournament

Nothing more to say. peace
2010-01-04 06:34:47
It was about heaton, not walle ;d Walle hasn't won more ;D
2010-01-04 07:18:15
Y, I was wondering reading the keznitt's post, am I stupid or what ;) And Im kinda pretty good at maths xD
2010-01-04 10:21:55
next ! fanboys od decade ;D
2010-01-04 07:29:51
coguD !
2010-01-04 09:16:16
nice :D
2010-01-04 09:36:30
All of the players are grate players no doubt, but only one can be voted the best. From a players perspective neo is the best player I have ever seen or played against. They all give some flavor unique to the game but lets be honest. When you watch neo pov demo, he frags with a such an ease, like he was born in cs. And it ain't just reflex, its movement, game intelligence, his positioning is sick, probably communication as well. What majority of you are saying in walle-s case is he is an better awper but thats just silly. Like saying CR 7 is better then messi just because he hes a better long shot and free kick, nonsense. Neo the best player out of the 5 above, maybe some other EU played should made the voting as well and can be selected as the best of the decade but overall, best player that has played/playing the game. And if you don't get me, try this. Play neo pov demo vs any top side, then after it watch any other top player pov... You will see the difference :))
2010-01-04 10:24:12
You fail at understanding this aint about the BEST player of the decade. About the football thing.. theyre both great players. Its like trying to say whos the best ever skill-wise: neo or f0rest.. impossible!
2010-01-04 15:42:49
Neos awp is very good, the reason its not his main is because if hes holding a site, would you rather have him get 3 entries with an m4 or 1 shot to kill 1 person with an awp, then maybe a 2nd kill if he has enough time?

not saying hes better than walle, i dont think he is, but i would say hes top 5 if not, than top 10

Post edited 2010-01-04 11:49:32
2010-01-04 11:48:45
cogu =)
2010-01-04 12:42:11
NEO
2010-01-04 13:48:36
At the moment, Neo is best of the best. He is legend.
2010-01-04 14:14:20
It not atm... Its decade ;)
2010-01-04 15:15:10
heaton 2000-2005 < neo 2005-2010

when heaton playing, oponnents are not good enough
2010-01-04 15:19:17
When Pele was playing in his prime, players were not good to. Does that mean he aint the best ever? hm..
2010-01-04 15:44:04
pele is in the same situation, so IMO zizou > pele :-)
2010-01-04 17:33:21
SOLO !
2010-01-04 15:28:22
WALLE THE BEST FOREVER
2010-01-04 15:42:03
it should be heaton or spawn but ...
2010-01-04 15:53:42
# 1 walle
2010-01-04 16:49:43
GO GO WALLE
2010-01-04 17:34:01
Neo !!!
2010-01-04 17:37:44
NEO ofc.
2010-01-04 17:42:52
MICHAEL JACKSON OFC. GGO OGOGGO GOGOGO 11!!!1!!!!111111111111111111
2010-01-04 18:31:14
foxj !

oh sh*t were is we? :(

ahh, NEo has my vote :)
2010-01-04 18:49:05
by: weg
#947
neo ... tylko neo
2010-01-04 19:18:49
Player of the Decade is CR9
2010-01-04 19:21:38
Walle
2010-01-04 19:33:32
If we're talking about legends of counter-strike not best players at the moment thorough, the poll has to includes names such as HeatoN, Potti, XeqtR, shaGuar, method, SpawN, element and so many more.

Or did you guys forget what these top-respected players has won in the past? Don't take me wrong, Neo, Walle and fRoD are my favorites. We are talking about the best player of the decade. And honestly where was solo, Neo winning ESWC,CPL,WCG and many more events in the 1st half of the decade? Never heard about him in that time.

You better should say let's have a poll for the best player of the last several years. That is my opinion.
2010-01-04 19:40:58
And where been HeatoN, Shaguar, Potti, XeqtR in second half of decade :S? why first half od decade is more important then second for you:O?
2010-01-04 23:59:23
Because players of the second half of the decade plays the game. The players of the first half, evolved the game into what it is today..
2010-01-05 16:55:08
with your logic all football players before 1950~ are better then players after
2010-01-05 17:58:47
IMO names are to close, can easly be miss clicks by a few.
2010-01-04 20:17:18
NEo for 100%
2010-01-04 20:42:06
#950 right
2010-01-04 20:51:36
#950 right
2010-01-04 20:59:08
neo
2010-01-04 21:19:09
#950
100% right
2010-01-04 21:23:19
Filip "Neo" Kubski
2010-01-04 21:28:13
neo 100 %
2010-01-04 21:40:27
Neo > all! That is simple guys! :)
2010-01-04 22:38:45
And when you vote and post your comments don't think about nationality, ok? A lot of you can't stand Neo's homeland. Yes, we all know what are you think about poor POLES. :) Good luck for you and be good-harted!
2010-01-04 22:44:38
walle walle :D
2010-01-04 22:45:50
neo/walle i dont now ;s
2010-01-04 23:35:51
neo neo neo :D
2010-01-05 02:46:10
Neo ;)
2010-01-05 23:55:10
Joke poll :D

Only 1 of them can be considered as top 20 during 2000-2010, and that's walle.

Neo doesn't have anything to do here.
2010-01-07 21:59:21
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