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My opinion on fnatic & SK lineup changes
2012-01-31 20:21
fnatic:
As of those both teams i think that fnatic needed a lineup change more than SK.
They seem to be a good top team but still not as good as Na`Vi/SK/ESC. pita is a great player in my opinion and he played good lately but not good enough for fnatic to beat Na`Vi in IEM Kiev and lose some other matches earlier.
He's been a good backup player but i think fnatic really needed moddii on the team as a beast madfragger. About moddii i guess their is so much to say as he's a great player with great aiming skills and a top fragger.
He hasn't been finding himself on a good team lately after being kicked out of MYM.se.
ESC were good but after they got released i think they lost motivation and couldn't find an organization.
moddii proved himself to be very good player in past 2 years playing in SK as a stand in where he was their best player and didn't get a contract and there were rumours that he wasn't a good person which resulted on him by not being picked up by fnatic after GTR and f0rest left.
As he said himself on the interview after he was picked up by fnatic that this year has been a good year for him and he earned more experience on lan tournaments and grew up as a person and became more mature.
Now fnatic on the paper seems to be a very dangerous team and a threat to all top teams with friis as their main sniper gux moddii and xizt as fraggers and carn as their in-game-leader and i think they will be consider among favorites on the upcoming tournaments with Na`VI, SK and ESC.
SK:
They were the best team last year with ESC.pl after removing allen/dennis and adding delpan as their main awp which i think that was their weak point after robban was their in-game-leader and couldn't focus on awp that much.
After adding delpan they were a beast team they won some major tournaments ESWC,DH Summer, GameGune, IEM NY and placed second on WCG and eStars.
Delpan was a great awp player and i was really shocked when i saw the news that he was kicked.. i think that no one was really expecting him to be kicked.
I kinda disagree with SK on kicking him and i think that face should've been kicked and pick up trace instead of him.
Don't get me wrong face is a great player but trace is for sure better than him even in his role as a defender as some people might say that he's a great defender. I think they would've been a better team with trace instead of face than delpan.
Now trace is their main awper i think and i'm not saying he's not good but not but he's not as good as delpan obviously because he's one of the best rifler but he was never a full time awper only after Sunder retired but they weren't really a team that focused on awp that much.
Now on paper SK seem a dreamteam to everyone but i think that the communication is the main problem just like zonic in mouz.
SK now has three of the best players in the world and a great IGL and a great player like face.
They will be for sure one of the favorites on the upcoming tournaments
As of those both teams i think that fnatic needed a lineup change more than SK.
They seem to be a good top team but still not as good as Na`Vi/SK/ESC. pita is a great player in my opinion and he played good lately but not good enough for fnatic to beat Na`Vi in IEM Kiev and lose some other matches earlier.
He's been a good backup player but i think fnatic really needed moddii on the team as a beast madfragger. About moddii i guess their is so much to say as he's a great player with great aiming skills and a top fragger.
He hasn't been finding himself on a good team lately after being kicked out of MYM.se.
ESC were good but after they got released i think they lost motivation and couldn't find an organization.
moddii proved himself to be very good player in past 2 years playing in SK as a stand in where he was their best player and didn't get a contract and there were rumours that he wasn't a good person which resulted on him by not being picked up by fnatic after GTR and f0rest left.
As he said himself on the interview after he was picked up by fnatic that this year has been a good year for him and he earned more experience on lan tournaments and grew up as a person and became more mature.
Now fnatic on the paper seems to be a very dangerous team and a threat to all top teams with friis as their main sniper gux moddii and xizt as fraggers and carn as their in-game-leader and i think they will be consider among favorites on the upcoming tournaments with Na`VI, SK and ESC.
SK:
They were the best team last year with ESC.pl after removing allen/dennis and adding delpan as their main awp which i think that was their weak point after robban was their in-game-leader and couldn't focus on awp that much.
After adding delpan they were a beast team they won some major tournaments ESWC,DH Summer, GameGune, IEM NY and placed second on WCG and eStars.
Delpan was a great awp player and i was really shocked when i saw the news that he was kicked.. i think that no one was really expecting him to be kicked.
I kinda disagree with SK on kicking him and i think that face should've been kicked and pick up trace instead of him.
Don't get me wrong face is a great player but trace is for sure better than him even in his role as a defender as some people might say that he's a great defender. I think they would've been a better team with trace instead of face than delpan.
Now trace is their main awper i think and i'm not saying he's not good but not but he's not as good as delpan obviously because he's one of the best rifler but he was never a full time awper only after Sunder retired but they weren't really a team that focused on awp that much.
Now on paper SK seem a dreamteam to everyone but i think that the communication is the main problem just like zonic in mouz.
SK now has three of the best players in the world and a great IGL and a great player like face.
They will be for sure one of the favorites on the upcoming tournaments
FNATIC >>>>>>>>>>>>>> SK
This year yes.
but navi > fnatic > esc > sk
but navi > fnatic > esc > sk
what ? sk will rape every single map this year
it's going to be
esc = sk = navi > fnatic
OR
esc = sk = navi = fnatic
so very much different results coming up between those 4. Lions, mousesports and winfakt are going to add a little spice of their own to that group of teams.
esc = sk = navi > fnatic
OR
esc = sk = navi = fnatic
so very much different results coming up between those 4. Lions, mousesports and winfakt are going to add a little spice of their own to that group of teams.
+1
"They were the best team last year with ESC.pl"
Incorrect statment. Even the SK website, ranked ESC #1 of 2011 and SK #2 of 2011. So they were not both the best (#1 team of 2011). Stoped reading after that.
Incorrect statment. Even the SK website, ranked ESC #1 of 2011 and SK #2 of 2011. So they were not both the best (#1 team of 2011). Stoped reading after that.
Yep ESC was better. I simplified it. Those were the top2 teams last year.
Well, 3 major tournament won by 3 different teams. Na`Vi didn't even won any medium tournament last year.
Na`Vi - 1st IEM WC, 2nd ESWC, not qualified for WCG
ESC.pl(AGAiN) - 2nd IEM WC, 4th ESWC and 1st WCG
SK - 4th IEM WC, 1st ESWC, 2nd WCG
Conclusion:
SK and ESC.polish have exactly same result on Major tournament.
They both won 3 medium tournaments and 1 small tournament.
SK=ESC.pl in 2011. But Polish Power House earned more money than any cs team in 2011. ESC participated more tournaments than SK last year. Yea ESC was better.
However, I agree with you
Na`Vi - 1st IEM WC, 2nd ESWC, not qualified for WCG
ESC.pl(AGAiN) - 2nd IEM WC, 4th ESWC and 1st WCG
SK - 4th IEM WC, 1st ESWC, 2nd WCG
Conclusion:
SK and ESC.polish have exactly same result on Major tournament.
They both won 3 medium tournaments and 1 small tournament.
SK=ESC.pl in 2011. But Polish Power House earned more money than any cs team in 2011. ESC participated more tournaments than SK last year. Yea ESC was better.
However, I agree with you
cs just need more big organizations like SK and fnatic it would be so nice .. every tournament would be so exciting and thrilled .. there are so many talented players without organizations and all ...
trace... "he's not as good as delpan"
stopped reading right there.
stopped reading right there.
he is kinda right, awp - delpan
aim - trace, no doubts, but the point is: who will be the next awper for sk ? robban? i dont want to see gtr doing this again : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vH93_i64qI
aim - trace, no doubts, but the point is: who will be the next awper for sk ? robban? i dont want to see gtr doing this again : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vH93_i64qI
Delpan awp > trace awp
going back to the thread, i think that moddii will fit in fnatic lineup better than trace in sk, so imo this year will be between esc, navi and fnatic,, and the 4/5/6 place between sk, mouz and M5
going back to the thread, i think that moddii will fit in fnatic lineup better than trace in sk, so imo this year will be between esc, navi and fnatic,, and the 4/5/6 place between sk, mouz and M5
I have a question : Is Swedish similar to Danish? And if I remember correctly face lives in denmark :o
I totally agree with you.
there should be a tournament before IEMWC to assess fnatic SK and mouz :)
Post edited 2012-01-31 20:52:04
Post edited 2012-01-31 20:52:04
http://www.hltv.org/news/8140-delpan-i-was-so-unmo..
thats why... delpan was unstaple... trace have allways played hes best... if i remember correct he only had like 1 bad game in all of 2011/10
thats why... delpan was unstaple... trace have allways played hes best... if i remember correct he only had like 1 bad game in all of 2011/10
Yep of course trace is a top 5 player and one of the most consistent player out there. I said he's not as good as delpan in AWP not overall because he didn't use it as much as delpan did he wasn't a full time awper.
he was the main awp for mtw... so yes he was "full time" awp
but i agree that hes way better with rifles
but he was still consistent as an awper which delpan hassent been latly... mostly becus of hes motivation etc
but i agree that hes way better with rifles
but he was still consistent as an awper which delpan hassent been latly... mostly becus of hes motivation etc
Yes he was a full time awp in mTw but he didn't use it that much you can see on the stats that has 5000 rifle kills and 1000 awp kills
i know... thats just the way mtw played thire game..
but agian WHEN he used it he was consistent... thats the whole point
but agian WHEN he used it he was consistent... thats the whole point
Agree, i hope that now they can match ESC.It should be great fight vs navi, sk, fnatic, esc, m5 and lions .
hopefully SK with trace will work better than mouz with zonic so far. THEY HAVE LOST ALL THEIR MATCHES AGAINST WINFAKT SINCE THEY ADDED ZONIC (all two of them =D)
I totally agree.. Trace should have replaced face though face was good in SK, in my opinion they dont work enough to kill the dry patch, rather they keep kicking ppl. thats not the solution. Neo and Navi prove it once and again
every1 who read ur post lost IQ points ~_~
Sad, I really love Delpan's agressive style, but am I alone of thinking that trace is realy sucks with awp?
Well Sunde was pretty much the best awper in the world before he quit and trace was good enough to fill his boots as the main awper. And he did amazing. Trace can fill Delpans boots as an awper even without feet ffs.
True.
trace is much better then delpan,, face is better then delpan,, the reason delpan was kicked is he isnt good with other gun then AWP he is just ok with other guns,, and thats his big weakness as you see him almost 100% of times being the worst player in nuke and maps like that,, that dont request awp
face has been playing with robban for years
why would they cut him rofl, so much chemistry between him, robban, gtr and forest.
why would they cut him rofl, so much chemistry between him, robban, gtr and forest.
SK DHO!!!!!!
it's funny how i thought that this year would be pretty lame just a couple of weeks ago, then these changes occur and now it looks more interesting than for a long, long while. couple that with Na`Vi back in beastmode, ESC yet to show their 2012 form and the immense potential of mousesports. add to that a strong Lions team whom i really want - and i think deserve - to grab a big title this year and you got yourself a hell of a year ahead of you. im glad to see that CS just refuses to lay down and die :)
Post edited 2012-02-02 08:42:42
Post edited 2012-02-02 08:42:42
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