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Unprofessionalism in CS
2012-02-14 21:13
Whats up HLTV.org. Guess what, I'm back bitches!
So, after reading, like, 300 posts on the "@lurppis" thread, it made me think of something...
Is our beloved Counter-Strike game really not as professional and organized as we think? Because we only see the stuff from the outside, and not behind the scenes. We dont know the teams experience.
Here we are 150 angry fanboys, blaming lurppis for whining ingame, in the match between SK Gaming and WinFakt, 2 teams who both made it trough the groupstage at TECHLABS, a tournament with a $15.000 prizepurse. From the outside it seems really professionel and organized, but do we know who dictate theese tournaments? Do we know if the admins treat all teams equally?
Lets look at some perspective here:
WinFakt are facing SK Gaming, and they experience a server, which has unfair ping. WinFakt tries to come up with a solution, playing on their server, where the ping difference is much more equal. The TECHLABS admin refuses to move the game to the Finnish server, and of course the WinFakt captain, Lurppis, complains about that along with aslak. But nothing helps.
Lurppis gets pissed and writes: "gogo id rather watch deadliest catch than play on this server" where f0rest answers: "then quit and stfu". From the outside, it makes lurppis look like a crybaby, and f0rest as the big hero, owning him verbaly ingame. But behind the scenens, its actually SK Gaming who are the bad guys.
I cant tell much of own experience, other than 2 ESL uyR cups, where I was supposed to play with some top Balkan players, from teams like DooM and Team 5up, and a player form TBH from Germany. But the ESL admin wouldn't let us participate, because some German teams wanted to play aswell, some German teams who was completly unknown German mixteam, who came in just in time, while we had been signed up since the announcement of the cup.
Once again, I would call that unfair.
But what do you guys think? Is Counter-Strike really organized? Or is many of the online tournaments ruled by dumb, fanboyish admins, who dosent really care about other players, than their mates, or the big names, such as GeT_RiGhT, f0rst, trace etc.?
Discuss!
So, after reading, like, 300 posts on the "@lurppis" thread, it made me think of something...
Is our beloved Counter-Strike game really not as professional and organized as we think? Because we only see the stuff from the outside, and not behind the scenes. We dont know the teams experience.
Here we are 150 angry fanboys, blaming lurppis for whining ingame, in the match between SK Gaming and WinFakt, 2 teams who both made it trough the groupstage at TECHLABS, a tournament with a $15.000 prizepurse. From the outside it seems really professionel and organized, but do we know who dictate theese tournaments? Do we know if the admins treat all teams equally?
Lets look at some perspective here:
WinFakt are facing SK Gaming, and they experience a server, which has unfair ping. WinFakt tries to come up with a solution, playing on their server, where the ping difference is much more equal. The TECHLABS admin refuses to move the game to the Finnish server, and of course the WinFakt captain, Lurppis, complains about that along with aslak. But nothing helps.
Lurppis gets pissed and writes: "gogo id rather watch deadliest catch than play on this server" where f0rest answers: "then quit and stfu". From the outside, it makes lurppis look like a crybaby, and f0rest as the big hero, owning him verbaly ingame. But behind the scenens, its actually SK Gaming who are the bad guys.
I cant tell much of own experience, other than 2 ESL uyR cups, where I was supposed to play with some top Balkan players, from teams like DooM and Team 5up, and a player form TBH from Germany. But the ESL admin wouldn't let us participate, because some German teams wanted to play aswell, some German teams who was completly unknown German mixteam, who came in just in time, while we had been signed up since the announcement of the cup.
Once again, I would call that unfair.
But what do you guys think? Is Counter-Strike really organized? Or is many of the online tournaments ruled by dumb, fanboyish admins, who dosent really care about other players, than their mates, or the big names, such as GeT_RiGhT, f0rst, trace etc.?
Discuss!
who cares, it's a game, go break a leg
greatest proof what the blogger wants to convey!! [facepalm]
Post edited 2012-02-14 21:21:26
Post edited 2012-02-14 21:21:26
go hug a bicycle pump
What a lovely comment <3
why do you jump to the conclusion that SK are bad guys?
that is idiocracy.
if winfakt was indeed unfairly handled, it was by the admins.
f0rest gets angry because the opponent is trying to throw him and his teammates off their game with mm1.
also, how do you know the finnish server would have less ping difference. you just assume this because the finns claimed it?
were both servers tested before the game? I highly doubt that, as it would serve no purpose if the swedish server, with the bigger difference (allegedly), was picked after testing anyway.
let's wait with drawing conclusions until we heard both sides of the story, or in this case, all 3 sides (admins?!)
that is idiocracy.
if winfakt was indeed unfairly handled, it was by the admins.
f0rest gets angry because the opponent is trying to throw him and his teammates off their game with mm1.
also, how do you know the finnish server would have less ping difference. you just assume this because the finns claimed it?
were both servers tested before the game? I highly doubt that, as it would serve no purpose if the swedish server, with the bigger difference (allegedly), was picked after testing anyway.
let's wait with drawing conclusions until we heard both sides of the story, or in this case, all 3 sides (admins?!)
I only know, what lurppis told me, and the log aslak had with the admins as a proof.
Im not trying to make SK the bad guys, I am a big fan of SK Gaming, not saying f0rest did anything wrong.
Calm down mate, I am not trying to be offensive towards anyone :). Just wanna start a discussion on the matter.
Post edited 2012-02-14 22:34:02
Im not trying to make SK the bad guys, I am a big fan of SK Gaming, not saying f0rest did anything wrong.
Calm down mate, I am not trying to be offensive towards anyone :). Just wanna start a discussion on the matter.
Post edited 2012-02-14 22:34:02
well it seemed like it :P in fact you literally called SK "the bad guys", and now you say you dont want to insult anyone or make them bad guys? Im confuzzled :D
"From the outside, it makes lurppis look like a crybaby, and f0rest as the big hero, owning him verbaly ingame. But behind the scenens, its actually SK Gaming who are the bad guys."
anyway I was calm but I used strong words because I don't much like things blown out of proportion, and tbh SK getting hammered because the finns were forced to play with 20-30 ping is sort of crazy :D
"From the outside, it makes lurppis look like a crybaby, and f0rest as the big hero, owning him verbaly ingame. But behind the scenens, its actually SK Gaming who are the bad guys."
anyway I was calm but I used strong words because I don't much like things blown out of proportion, and tbh SK getting hammered because the finns were forced to play with 20-30 ping is sort of crazy :D
Well, you can sort of say, that GeT_RiGhT was a bad guy in this situation, if he indeed called WinFakt retards. Thats just about the most unprofessionel thing you could do :p.
Not saying SK actually did do anything wrong though. It's clearly the admins who are the real bad guys, unfortunally :(!
Not saying SK actually did do anything wrong though. It's clearly the admins who are the real bad guys, unfortunally :(!
didn't see the gtr comment, it is not respectfull if that is what he did.
but we all make mistakes, especially when the heat is on ;)
Post edited 2012-02-14 22:46:30
but we all make mistakes, especially when the heat is on ;)
Post edited 2012-02-14 22:46:30
no, his point is about proscene being shitty and unprofessional, with which I personally disagree. I'm just a user on hltv.org, I'm supposed to be ignorant and rude, you cunt
and by these comments u show how pro u r !!!! gg
are you retarted? I'm not supposed to be pro, I'm supposed to try and insult your dumb ass on every chance I get, more so when you're being retarted, now go hug a bicycle pump like a good sandniggr that you are.
poland strong
Post edited 2012-02-14 21:29:54
poland strong
Post edited 2012-02-14 21:29:54
you just deaded him, hope he doesn't fuck back
Post edited 2012-02-15 00:15:06
Post edited 2012-02-15 00:15:06
lovely comments are lovely
There is no any organization wich has great impact on tournaments that can force people to follow rules and be nice ex:fifa.
The "bullet-registry" doesn't differ much between 6-7ping like SK had, and 17~ as all except 1 in Winfakt had. So IMO its kind of unnecessary to make a big deal out of it. And after all admins word is law, nobody can really tell if the admins are fanboys or not.
Agree, but not what I wanted to point out. What if it was eSrael, for an example. Then there would have been major ping differences. If eSrael would have been in the same position as WinFakt was yesterday, and the admins didn't care at all about the pings, then the admins would have made a huge impact on the game, even before it started.
yeah but in those cases.. where the difference really DOES matter, they would find a server where both teams would have a higher but equal ping. if they didnt they should never run a tournament ever again.. these admins are idiots anyways, the players had to tell them to change the startmoney for like 5 of the matches i watched. they should just agree to give the rcon to the IGL from each team for 1 half.. problem solved.
+1 its really nothing at all to bitch about.. but hey at least they(winfakt) have something to try and justify why they lost(like they wouldnt have anyways?). lol
You're right but we can't do nothing, only discuss. Not fair like you said.
/agree, we cant do anything but discuss, which was the main reason I wrote this blog. Maybe, and just maybe, someone in charge of future tournaments will listen. Because this is outrageous.
First of all, Admins should be "Humans", if you know what I mean... They should give, or at least try, the bests conditions to both teams. It's sad that this didn't happened.
Post edited 2012-02-14 21:41:07
Post edited 2012-02-14 21:41:07
f0rest is idiot,end
Post edited 2012-02-14 21:34:48
Post edited 2012-02-14 21:34:48
why? he answered trash talk with trashtalk.
is kobe bryant and idiot? and all the other NBA players?
I don't think lurpis, or f0rest are idiots.
in fact the admins aren't even idiots. they may have made a bad call forcing WF to play on the swedish server, but they are probably hardworking VOLUNTEERS, putting in effort for all our sake.
and much like it has always been, the mass jumps at the chance to shower them in shit at the very slightest of mistakes.
for once applaud the people writing and organising e-sports stuff for us, they are what is keeping CS alive. keep on bashing, and cry one year from now that CS is dead. just remember it was our own fault in that case (specifically the bashers/flamers)
is kobe bryant and idiot? and all the other NBA players?
I don't think lurpis, or f0rest are idiots.
in fact the admins aren't even idiots. they may have made a bad call forcing WF to play on the swedish server, but they are probably hardworking VOLUNTEERS, putting in effort for all our sake.
and much like it has always been, the mass jumps at the chance to shower them in shit at the very slightest of mistakes.
for once applaud the people writing and organising e-sports stuff for us, they are what is keeping CS alive. keep on bashing, and cry one year from now that CS is dead. just remember it was our own fault in that case (specifically the bashers/flamers)
you are one big fu**ing idiot...how does that sound ????..stupid cunt
Idk, i play with 60 ping and 60 fps so i can't say anything :p
why only 60fps?
vertical sync, maybe? trying to help
I don't know how one can say that esports in general is professional and organized. If we consider the amount of prize money that hasn't been paid over the years and the failures of some tournament organizers even last year, the fact that to this day many tournaments don't have their official ruleset on their website and let admins make arbitrary decisions, calling esports totally professional is a bit silly. In addition, I don't know if some of the players even treat is so seriously.
Computer games in general aren't so old, and esports as a phenomenom is extremely new. In that way it is not surprising that the "industry" hasn't developed to a point where everything really works and there would be consistent structure to ensure professionalism. Now there are still a lot of people just trying it out instead of making a real commitment.
Computer games in general aren't so old, and esports as a phenomenom is extremely new. In that way it is not surprising that the "industry" hasn't developed to a point where everything really works and there would be consistent structure to ensure professionalism. Now there are still a lot of people just trying it out instead of making a real commitment.
Yes, eSports is indeed very young. Unpaid prizes is something in a different league to be honest. But the least the admins can do, is to make the tournament go clean, and listen to players, making the fair dicisions and do the best for both parties.
yes indeed, and why would some people make a real commitment when only 0,0001 percent of the players of CS make a living out of it, and past 3 years, it hasn't even payed that well.
tbh, and SK player in 2010 made little money by playing, if you only count salary (and not prizes won and promotional revenue) and put that vs the amount of hours they put in. I'm not going to put figures out here but working at McDonalds would pay just as much, just with a little more certainty
tbh, and SK player in 2010 made little money by playing, if you only count salary (and not prizes won and promotional revenue) and put that vs the amount of hours they put in. I'm not going to put figures out here but working at McDonalds would pay just as much, just with a little more certainty
Yeah I know and I'm not really saying that people should even put more effort into it although the case should be made that if you do something, like hold a tournament, you do it properly and don't totally screw everyone else like digifest did for instance. But of course if you like playing or being a part of it in another way, it's cool to put time into something you like even if betting your entire future on it shouldn't really be encouraged at this point.
But at the same time I think if some people would like esports to grow, the only way to do it is to really invest time and effort to put something together, and be content with cutting even for a considerable amount of time. You can only really reap the benefits once the system becomes really sustainable and not so reliant on outside sponsorship money, and I don't know how long it will take until this will happen if it even will. Sadly the fact is that the interest in 1.6 isn't close to the needed amount, but it remains to be seen how far dotalike games or sc2 can go.
But at the same time I think if some people would like esports to grow, the only way to do it is to really invest time and effort to put something together, and be content with cutting even for a considerable amount of time. You can only really reap the benefits once the system becomes really sustainable and not so reliant on outside sponsorship money, and I don't know how long it will take until this will happen if it even will. Sadly the fact is that the interest in 1.6 isn't close to the needed amount, but it remains to be seen how far dotalike games or sc2 can go.
Yeah, let's hope esports will become mainstream one day and attract big sponsors with ease :p
you are right tHm , but unfortunely we , the fans, will never know it.
im HAPPY with 70 ping :]
well I would not be happy with it but whining about pings under 30 seems bollocks indeed :P
Agree, but perhaps he had the sickest lagspikes? I havent really followed the case :P
Could be yeah :p still i doubt sk's server was that bad for a fin to play on
I dont know where its hosted, i guess its game-hosting or something like that? But yeah, perhaps he just flamed because he died because of a spike :P
I am happy playing with 80ping on my local servers and 130+ ping on international servers LOL xD
F0rest was a butt, that's a fact. Totally unnecessary quip was from his side.
And pings were of course unfair, totally different from e.g. 40-50...
SK has almost lan pings, Winfakt has between 20-30, in every time when I saw, only one player had under 20.
Winfakt had rightful complaint, that's all the story, if I were Lurrpis, I quited with the whole team really and who cares about loose...fanboys crying always even if they play and complain, or didn't play and just complain.
And pings were of course unfair, totally different from e.g. 40-50...
SK has almost lan pings, Winfakt has between 20-30, in every time when I saw, only one player had under 20.
Winfakt had rightful complaint, that's all the story, if I were Lurrpis, I quited with the whole team really and who cares about loose...fanboys crying always even if they play and complain, or didn't play and just complain.
probably...
ive posted a bunch of times here, and i would say neither team is "the bad guys" they just both want to play on a server where they have a ping advantage.
"I'm back bitches!"
Unprofessionalism in Hltv's blogs.
Post edited 2012-02-14 22:42:14
Unprofessionalism in Hltv's blogs.
Post edited 2012-02-14 22:42:14
i think it's better to play in a good server with 20-30ms instead of a bad server and ping about 5-10, that's my opinion... you can saw when top teams playing with 40-50 pings but they are professional and don't rage about pings, but of course for the server
cry moar muahahaha
Post edited 2012-02-14 22:46:15
Post edited 2012-02-14 22:46:15
Read the blog mate, I am not making eighter f0rest or SK Gaming the bad guys :). No reason to write what you did.
I have read it all before posting that. :) Still you have no reason to complain, they had good pings ~20ms which is very very playable.
Post edited 2012-02-14 22:49:12
Post edited 2012-02-14 22:49:12
One thing I will say is latency =/= registration. I have a connection that will sit on 10ms to local servers but when the exchange is suffering congestion / other issues it will feel horrible. The recoil makes it feel like you cannot aim even though my latency appears low.
The key to online cs is a clean connection, the latency can be 20-30 ms as long as the connection is good. MODDII has no trouble fragging with his 30+ ms, this is because his connection is most likely very solid.
The point I'm getting at here is that even though the latency may have looked the same in the Finnish server, I bet WinFakt would have had a much easier time fragging in that server as the data would have less travel distance and less obstacles to go through.
So either way one team or another would have an advantage. Not to mention WinFakt probably scrim often in that server and are very comfortable with the feel of it.
The key to online cs is a clean connection, the latency can be 20-30 ms as long as the connection is good. MODDII has no trouble fragging with his 30+ ms, this is because his connection is most likely very solid.
The point I'm getting at here is that even though the latency may have looked the same in the Finnish server, I bet WinFakt would have had a much easier time fragging in that server as the data would have less travel distance and less obstacles to go through.
So either way one team or another would have an advantage. Not to mention WinFakt probably scrim often in that server and are very comfortable with the feel of it.
Yes totally agree :)
i think all of this is just unprofessional :/
Forest maybe was right but in the other hand it's unfair to have a advantage in a game (the PING ) :/
i think all of this is just unprofessional :/
Forest maybe was right but in the other hand it's unfair to have a advantage in a game (the PING ) :/
Eat some fruit. ;)
Why do you have to troll around all the time? Love apples btw <3
Why you think I'm trolling?
Because you got no life?
Yeah, lurppis very profesional player. Its not the first time when he is crying and making such conflicts.
"From the outside, it makes lurppis look like a crybaby, and f0rest as the big hero, owning him verbaly ingame. But behind the scenens, its actually SK Gaming who are the bad guys."
Even if you are unfamiliar with the ping situation I don't see how you make f0rest a hero & owning lurppis verbally unless you are really biased
Even if you are unfamiliar with the ping situation I don't see how you make f0rest a hero & owning lurppis verbally unless you are really biased
cut the bullshit. no doubt that SK is way better and stronger team then WF. And players in SK are more like legends comparing to WF guys.
and thats for sure that SK has more benefits because of that!
but those things are happening everywhere. In hockey, basketball etc. We just go live with that! thats it! walk it off.
and lurrpis is the biggest troll ever!
Post edited 2012-02-15 01:06:30
and thats for sure that SK has more benefits because of that!
but those things are happening everywhere. In hockey, basketball etc. We just go live with that! thats it! walk it off.
and lurrpis is the biggest troll ever!
Post edited 2012-02-15 01:06:30
Individuals are individuals and will always be individuals. And I don't see why people made such a fuss about the lurppis / f0rest comment. Who gives a shit?
Some of the comments here are no sense, It's no about SK vs WinFakt match in particular. There's no profesionalism in the online tournamentes in my opinion, and you can prove it with all the problems at Online tournaments. Yeah I'm agree with you good blog btw :)
But behind the scenens(scenes, corect it), its actually SK Gaming who are the bad guys. Do you know them personally or what? If two sides are arguing, it doesn't mean that one of them is completely right and other one is completely wrong. Things like these happen every day in almost every sport, so I don't think that so much anger is needed (not in the blog, but in some comments). We should hope that this doesn't recur in future.In my opinion CS is pretty professional compared to other e-sports
Post edited 2012-02-15 07:48:48
Post edited 2012-02-15 07:48:48
since there are server-side-hacks, its totally fair to only play on tournament hosted servers. everything else would be unprofessional. so still winfakt are the whiners
Just to make a point, in ALL sports the 'old' and 'biggest' teams/players get the best treatment.
Manchester United get god knows how many refereeing decisions for them, and Ferrari have had alot of decisions from the FIA in their favour.
So the admin favouring SK should be considered the same as in other sports.
I did not say I agree or believe that that is right, but I'm just making the point.
Manchester United get god knows how many refereeing decisions for them, and Ferrari have had alot of decisions from the FIA in their favour.
So the admin favouring SK should be considered the same as in other sports.
I did not say I agree or believe that that is right, but I'm just making the point.
Man, ofc orgs care about big names and do like they "wish", cuz it's important for their reputation. Better teams (big names) = more views = more profit.That's all.
not you agian -.-
i see trash talking to me as a compliment then i know i'm actually anoying him so much he has to break the moral just to win makes me stronger is some way imo
I didn't see any SK player trashtalking like lurppis did, so, why I would consider SK as the bad guys? Is not the first time that lurppis get pissed and start talking like a parrot.
Both of them wanted to play in their own server. It wouldn't be fair in the swedish one, and neither in the finn one.
Now it would be interesting to ask lurppis (without any of this happened) if he would be agree to play in a spanish server if he have to face a spanish team.
As some of here know, Spain has one of the worse net connection to the outside, if someone of us have 30/40 ms in a german server, its a great ping, and we have to play every time in european server, never in spanish ones.
What would lurppis says? I think he would have refused to play fairer.
Both of them wanted to play in their own server. It wouldn't be fair in the swedish one, and neither in the finn one.
Now it would be interesting to ask lurppis (without any of this happened) if he would be agree to play in a spanish server if he have to face a spanish team.
As some of here know, Spain has one of the worse net connection to the outside, if someone of us have 30/40 ms in a german server, its a great ping, and we have to play every time in european server, never in spanish ones.
What would lurppis says? I think he would have refused to play fairer.
who cares .. forest need rennie
Post edited 2012-02-15 12:43:15
Post edited 2012-02-15 12:43:15
"I cant tell much of own experience, other than 2 ESL uyR cups, where I was supposed to play with some top Balkan players, from teams like DooM and Team 5up, and a player form TBH from Germany. But the ESL admin wouldn't let us participate, because some German teams wanted to play aswell, some German teams who was completly unknown German mixteam, who came in just in time, while we had been signed up since the announcement of the cup."
Happened to my old team all the time just because we weren't known. Even tho we were one of the teams that signed up first. I'd say we tried to participate at least 10 times and we didn't get in even once.
Really bad admins handling the situation terrible didn't make the situation better either..
Post edited 2012-02-15 13:09:11
Happened to my old team all the time just because we weren't known. Even tho we were one of the teams that signed up first. I'd say we tried to participate at least 10 times and we didn't get in even once.
Really bad admins handling the situation terrible didn't make the situation better either..
Post edited 2012-02-15 13:09:11
IMO it's normal that people are trolling around, sometimes it's for purpose but trolls rly exist. What is the big deal? That lurppis troll a little bit or f0rest was bad guy? I don't understand.
Well in this case, I wonder how this still comes up as a problem. People have tried it 1 million times before, and there are only 1 way to solve the problem. Find a server which is in between the two locations, then it cant be anything else than fair. If they are lagging on a server which is located fair in the middle, its just their own problem. Buy fiber network, and you should have no problem.
About unprofessionalism in general you see it every day in e Sports. It's the main reason you don't see great sponsors come so easy as they could have been. It's things like unpaid prize money, delays in tournaments, unclear rules, sloppy structure, bad manners, admins with subjective opinions and I could go on. There are lots of reasons to each, but I guess you already know them, as you are part of it as a player.
Overall the e-Sports just looks like crap if you compare with any other sport.
About unprofessionalism in general you see it every day in e Sports. It's the main reason you don't see great sponsors come so easy as they could have been. It's things like unpaid prize money, delays in tournaments, unclear rules, sloppy structure, bad manners, admins with subjective opinions and I could go on. There are lots of reasons to each, but I guess you already know them, as you are part of it as a player.
Overall the e-Sports just looks like crap if you compare with any other sport.
you're sort of right but it depends on the hardware that is running the server just as much as where the server is in bulgaria you can play from anywhere in the country to any server in the country and in most cases ping is between 4-20 because all the fibres in the country are good, but playing outside of the country is a nightmare even if you are on T3 fibre optic internet.
Post edited 2012-02-19 02:12:40
Post edited 2012-02-19 02:12:40
i believe there is nothing wrong in what lurrpis told. but SK jus lost a match to alternate and this was a a very important match for them so forest cudnt toleraet.....
There is no such thing as professionalism in CS.
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problem is there are too many 13 - 16 year olds playing this game, and that admins are recruited based on connections.
Plus ppl like f0rest are good players but lack any professionalism, i was really sad to see what karrigan and nuggi were writing when playing against bulgaria in the cb cup. =/
The game is awesome and i love it but some of the ppl that play really need to grow up.
Plus ppl like f0rest are good players but lack any professionalism, i was really sad to see what karrigan and nuggi were writing when playing against bulgaria in the cb cup. =/
The game is awesome and i love it but some of the ppl that play really need to grow up.
why do you say that people like f0rest lack professionalism, when, in the other hand, guys like lurppis are involved in almost every trash-talking scene we see nowadays? i remember 2 or 3 situations in where lurrpis was trolling at someone. Is it f0rest who's a mean guy, or is it a coincidence that lurppis is always there?
Post edited 2012-02-19 03:13:26
Post edited 2012-02-19 03:13:26
firstly i love you, secondly by lacking professionalism i mean, when you get called a dick the professional thing is not to respond, if you respond with "then leave and stfu" its unprofessional, and in that situation i feel for Lurpis because playing against an opponent who has 10 ping and you got 70 is BAD (i live in the uk and play in bulgaria so i always got 80 ping at-least) but what Lurpis did was pretty bad too. And i was whining about two danish plays when they played VS bulgaria.
example of unprofessional-ism : "u happi now brah?"
Post edited 2012-02-20 00:46:08
example of unprofessional-ism : "u happi now brah?"
Post edited 2012-02-20 00:46:08
Is our beloved Counter-Strike game really not as professional and organized as we think?
Come again?
Come again?
You read what I wrote. If you didnt understand it, read it again.
I've read it countless times now, but I am still left with the questions 'who are we?' and how it is 'professional'.
We are the people from the outside, and not behind the scenes. From the outside can CS and eSports in generel look very organized and professional, and you probably did know what I was talking about.
"You guys" must have missed http://www.hltv.org/news/6899-fnatic-delpan-not-re.. etc etc etc etc etc.
That newspost you linked was a 50/50. Extremely unprofessional by SK Gaming, but fnatics reaction and answer was professional, threating by taking legal action.
And clearly something did happend, since fnatic didnt follow the case. SK probablt did pay something for buying Delpan out of his fnatic contract in the end.
And clearly something did happend, since fnatic didnt follow the case. SK probablt did pay something for buying Delpan out of his fnatic contract in the end.
ESEA doesn't ban for racism anymore. Probably because the only people willing to pay for it are 16 year old trolls with nothing better to do. That shows the state of cs in north america if the only league doesn't care about racism.
upload your video & get a fame from that, bring some evidence which called unprofessionalism in cs. if u can't, then go sleep & dont make any shortminded thread like this. night smarty
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