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The future of Counter-Strike
2012-07-05 21:39
Hi. There's a lot of controversy about Counter-Strike and it's future, so i decided to make a blog/article on my website about it and since i'd like to share it with the most amount of people possible, especially 1.6 players, i'm posting here, at the largest and best Counter-Strike 1.6 community. I hope you enjoy it.
1. Counter-Strike death
First, is Counter-Strike dead? The answer is no, not yet at least. But it's dying, that's for sure, and fast. Many say it isn't, that CS will live forever, and normally bring some past predictions, where in 2005 and 2006 everyone said that CS would die and it didn't. So according to them, CS will never die. It's a stupid argument, but it has some value. Not due the predictions obviously, but the "will live forever". At first it seems stupid, but really, think about it. CS is a e-Sport, it's competitive and professional, lived just like football or any other sport. And sports, at least most of them, will probably be played and watched forever. Can't CS be like that? Yes, it can, but it needs updates, DECENT, USEFUL and REGULAR updates, something that has never been done, in order to improve and innovate the game. One of the biggest problems of CS at the moment is attracting new players. Because with new technologies, companies develop games with better graphics. They have 20 games on the store with awesome graphics, why buying a 13 years old game with shitty graphics? So the newest games, slowly, start winning more and more public, contributing to CS death. I'm not even talking about professional players, i'm talking about normal players, kids, who play for fun. Because if we talk professional, the problem is even bigger. Every year players stop playing, and how many do you see entering the professional scene? Recently, i can only think about coloN, and many don't even consider him as professional player yet. In the other hand, i can name more then 10 players that stopped competing in the last years in no time. Just reading the prizes on the tournaments year after year is ridiculous and sad. CS is dying for sure, and something needs to be done about it.
2. Counter-Strike Source
Valve isn't stupid, i mean, it is, but not that stupid, and they realized that CS needed a new update. And with Half-Life 2, Valve released Counter-Strike Source in 2005. Many people believe it's a failed game. But it isn't, trust me. A game with over 2 million copies sold worldwide and always being at the top5 on steam it's very far from a fail. And some say it's a bad game, they're wrong too, it's a great game, and fun to play. What's the problem then? The problem is that it's not Counter-Strike. Although they made a good job in terms of graphics, the game-play turned out to be very different, nothing compared with the previous version, 1.6. In addiction, Source is also much more easy to play than 1.6, so obviously the new people prefer it. So in the end most of the community didn't changed, and 1.6 remained. Counter-Strike Source still managed to have a little community for a while, and even have a professional side in some countries, but just like 1.6, it started to die, and today it's even in a worse position than 1.6.
3. Counter-Strike Global Offensive
In 2011, Valve announces the new Counter-Strike, called Counter-Strike Global Offensive. The game had everything to save CS, every condition and opportunity to make the ultimate new Counter-Strike. But it failed, hard. Some people will flame me, because i'm saying that it failed and the isn't even released yet, but trust me, it will fail. I've played it and i'm sure it won't succeeded. When i say it will fail, i'm not saying it will fail as a game, i'm saying it will fail as Counter-Strike. Valve didn't learned anything from Source, and did the exact same thing, a new game, under the title of Counter-Strike, that is NOT Counter-Strike. Just like Source, many people believe it's a failed game. Many believe it's bad game, they're wrong as well, it's a great game, and fun to play. But comparing to Counter-Strike, it's the biggest shit it ever existed. Sometimes on the forums i see some people saying: "Why do you hate CS:GO? I played it and it's great! Let's move all to CS:GO!". They are right, at least at the part it's a great game, it is. But the people who say that aren't thinking straight, they aren't thinking about Counter-Strike, they just wanna have fun. And those kids on the forums are impressed because they were playing 1.6 and suddenly when they played CS:GO they almost shit themselves with the graphics. But CS:GO is just like COD, or Battlefield. It's a good game, but NOT what the Counter-Strike community needs.
4. Counter-Strike Promod
Just a year after Source was released, CSPromod was launched, with the goal of gathering the 1.6 and source community together, by making a "mixed" game, with the legendary 1.6 movement and recoil, while having the good graphics of Source. CSPromod is an amazing project the last hope for Counter-Strike, I support it 100%. So why aren't we playing it? CSPromod has been taken ages to be released, CSP it's not being made by a company, not even close to a company, it's a very small team of 4 guys, working hard and with passion to make this dream come true. And contrary to people's belief, CSP is not a mod, it's a totally new game, the only thing that have in common with source is the engine. They had to re-create the whole game from scratch, not having any access to CS code. The delay is totally justified, still, if the CSP isn't released soon, especially with CS:GO coming up, all those years of work will be useless. Many people when confronted with CSP videos hate it and say that it's not what we need, but it is, and it's the only thing that can save CS. The movement is equal to 1.6, it's like playing with skins and textures. I never meet someone who actually played it and dislike it, so if you haven't played it already, please try it, it's free and it's the only solution we have. CSP needs our full support.
To sum up, Counter-Strike is dying, it needs a new face to attrack new players and continue to prosper has the greatest FPS that ever existed, Source failed and CS:GO will probably fail as well, so we cannot count on it has the salvation of CS. CSPromod is a great project , unfortunately the lack of support and conditions is delaying it's release. But it's our last hope, and we must support it in every way we can. For those who haven't tried it yet, please, give it a shot, it's free.
Although i haven't played CS has much as i used to, I hope Counter-Strike will prosper as a e-Sport and keep attracting new players for this great game.
Thank you for reading. Sorry for any grammar or spelling mistake.
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1. Counter-Strike death
First, is Counter-Strike dead? The answer is no, not yet at least. But it's dying, that's for sure, and fast. Many say it isn't, that CS will live forever, and normally bring some past predictions, where in 2005 and 2006 everyone said that CS would die and it didn't. So according to them, CS will never die. It's a stupid argument, but it has some value. Not due the predictions obviously, but the "will live forever". At first it seems stupid, but really, think about it. CS is a e-Sport, it's competitive and professional, lived just like football or any other sport. And sports, at least most of them, will probably be played and watched forever. Can't CS be like that? Yes, it can, but it needs updates, DECENT, USEFUL and REGULAR updates, something that has never been done, in order to improve and innovate the game. One of the biggest problems of CS at the moment is attracting new players. Because with new technologies, companies develop games with better graphics. They have 20 games on the store with awesome graphics, why buying a 13 years old game with shitty graphics? So the newest games, slowly, start winning more and more public, contributing to CS death. I'm not even talking about professional players, i'm talking about normal players, kids, who play for fun. Because if we talk professional, the problem is even bigger. Every year players stop playing, and how many do you see entering the professional scene? Recently, i can only think about coloN, and many don't even consider him as professional player yet. In the other hand, i can name more then 10 players that stopped competing in the last years in no time. Just reading the prizes on the tournaments year after year is ridiculous and sad. CS is dying for sure, and something needs to be done about it.
2. Counter-Strike Source
Valve isn't stupid, i mean, it is, but not that stupid, and they realized that CS needed a new update. And with Half-Life 2, Valve released Counter-Strike Source in 2005. Many people believe it's a failed game. But it isn't, trust me. A game with over 2 million copies sold worldwide and always being at the top5 on steam it's very far from a fail. And some say it's a bad game, they're wrong too, it's a great game, and fun to play. What's the problem then? The problem is that it's not Counter-Strike. Although they made a good job in terms of graphics, the game-play turned out to be very different, nothing compared with the previous version, 1.6. In addiction, Source is also much more easy to play than 1.6, so obviously the new people prefer it. So in the end most of the community didn't changed, and 1.6 remained. Counter-Strike Source still managed to have a little community for a while, and even have a professional side in some countries, but just like 1.6, it started to die, and today it's even in a worse position than 1.6.
3. Counter-Strike Global Offensive
In 2011, Valve announces the new Counter-Strike, called Counter-Strike Global Offensive. The game had everything to save CS, every condition and opportunity to make the ultimate new Counter-Strike. But it failed, hard. Some people will flame me, because i'm saying that it failed and the isn't even released yet, but trust me, it will fail. I've played it and i'm sure it won't succeeded. When i say it will fail, i'm not saying it will fail as a game, i'm saying it will fail as Counter-Strike. Valve didn't learned anything from Source, and did the exact same thing, a new game, under the title of Counter-Strike, that is NOT Counter-Strike. Just like Source, many people believe it's a failed game. Many believe it's bad game, they're wrong as well, it's a great game, and fun to play. But comparing to Counter-Strike, it's the biggest shit it ever existed. Sometimes on the forums i see some people saying: "Why do you hate CS:GO? I played it and it's great! Let's move all to CS:GO!". They are right, at least at the part it's a great game, it is. But the people who say that aren't thinking straight, they aren't thinking about Counter-Strike, they just wanna have fun. And those kids on the forums are impressed because they were playing 1.6 and suddenly when they played CS:GO they almost shit themselves with the graphics. But CS:GO is just like COD, or Battlefield. It's a good game, but NOT what the Counter-Strike community needs.
4. Counter-Strike Promod
Just a year after Source was released, CSPromod was launched, with the goal of gathering the 1.6 and source community together, by making a "mixed" game, with the legendary 1.6 movement and recoil, while having the good graphics of Source. CSPromod is an amazing project the last hope for Counter-Strike, I support it 100%. So why aren't we playing it? CSPromod has been taken ages to be released, CSP it's not being made by a company, not even close to a company, it's a very small team of 4 guys, working hard and with passion to make this dream come true. And contrary to people's belief, CSP is not a mod, it's a totally new game, the only thing that have in common with source is the engine. They had to re-create the whole game from scratch, not having any access to CS code. The delay is totally justified, still, if the CSP isn't released soon, especially with CS:GO coming up, all those years of work will be useless. Many people when confronted with CSP videos hate it and say that it's not what we need, but it is, and it's the only thing that can save CS. The movement is equal to 1.6, it's like playing with skins and textures. I never meet someone who actually played it and dislike it, so if you haven't played it already, please try it, it's free and it's the only solution we have. CSP needs our full support.
To sum up, Counter-Strike is dying, it needs a new face to attrack new players and continue to prosper has the greatest FPS that ever existed, Source failed and CS:GO will probably fail as well, so we cannot count on it has the salvation of CS. CSPromod is a great project , unfortunately the lack of support and conditions is delaying it's release. But it's our last hope, and we must support it in every way we can. For those who haven't tried it yet, please, give it a shot, it's free.
Although i haven't played CS has much as i used to, I hope Counter-Strike will prosper as a e-Sport and keep attracting new players for this great game.
Thank you for reading. Sorry for any grammar or spelling mistake.
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you forgot cso
i thought about it but i decided not to include it since it's not relevant. at least in europe.
Only dla available in Asia i think;
sorry, I have to do this
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cannot be unseen
now to the topic, I think kids nowadays only care about games with fancy graphics, independently of its gameplay. that's why they are skipping from cs 1.6 and moving towards other games like cod, battlefield, etc. with better graphics, but worse gameplay. that's why I think that csp is vital, because it's the only way to save cs series, in case cs:go is a major flop
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cannot be unseen
now to the topic, I think kids nowadays only care about games with fancy graphics, independently of its gameplay. that's why they are skipping from cs 1.6 and moving towards other games like cod, battlefield, etc. with better graphics, but worse gameplay. that's why I think that csp is vital, because it's the only way to save cs series, in case cs:go is a major flop
lol thanks, such a stupid error, fixed.
CS:Source failed and died 2 years ago because of HPE's updates.
CSP hasn't got amazing graphics. New players wouldn't chose CSP instead of CODs,BFs,Medal Of honor. CSP devs can't advertise this game like a company. Valve made 1.6Million Dollars tournament for DotA 2. We saw CS:GO on fairs like PAX 2011, E3 2012.
CS:GO is death. Thousands of beta-keys released but it reaches 1k players daily. No 1.6 pro players are giving feedback on steamforums.They prefer DotA 2 to CS:GO. That's a proof that they don't give a shit about CS:GO. 10 topics are opening in steam forums monthly. Also, HPE is developing(!) CS:GO. Last gameplay update came 3.5 months ago. ( HPE broke CS:Source and caused the death CS:S. Source pros were shouting on steam forums because of them)
We need to stay with 1.6 until the end. Then we should expect some news from valve about cs2.
Post edited 2012-07-05 21:56:54
CSP hasn't got amazing graphics. New players wouldn't chose CSP instead of CODs,BFs,Medal Of honor. CSP devs can't advertise this game like a company. Valve made 1.6Million Dollars tournament for DotA 2. We saw CS:GO on fairs like PAX 2011, E3 2012.
CS:GO is death. Thousands of beta-keys released but it reaches 1k players daily. No 1.6 pro players are giving feedback on steamforums.They prefer DotA 2 to CS:GO. That's a proof that they don't give a shit about CS:GO. 10 topics are opening in steam forums monthly. Also, HPE is developing(!) CS:GO. Last gameplay update came 3.5 months ago. ( HPE broke CS:Source and caused the death CS:S. Source pros were shouting on steam forums because of them)
We need to stay with 1.6 until the end. Then we should expect some news from valve about cs2.
Post edited 2012-07-05 21:56:54
CSP hasn't amazing graphics such as COD or BF, but it still far better than 1.6, and 1.6, although it's dying, it's very popular. so i believe csp would be successful.
No pro 1.6 players are giving feedback on steam forums because it's worthless, they don't give a single fuck.
No pro 1.6 players are giving feedback on steam forums because it's worthless, they don't give a single fuck.
CSP could attract more new players to this game but who would chose CSP instead of BF3?
You can see CS:GO news every damn site. It was on PAX 2011,E3 2012 and Valve was using 1.6 events to advertise it. CSP has no chance like that. That's really bad.
You can see CS:GO news every damn site. It was on PAX 2011,E3 2012 and Valve was using 1.6 events to advertise it. CSP has no chance like that. That's really bad.
Some people choose 1.6 intend of BF/COD, not many, but they still exist, because of the gameplay, CSP has better graphics than 1.6 so...The goal here is not to win the FPS market, that's impossible and it will never happen, we just need an update so we can still exist and prosper inside our own community.
Valve has a lot of power, that's true, but in the end, it's all up to the players, if people like CSP, CSP will be played.
Valve has a lot of power, that's true, but in the end, it's all up to the players, if people like CSP, CSP will be played.
We need something new which will attract more players to this game. CSP could do it but it looks it's too late. This community isn't playing this game for graphics so why would players switch to CSP. It needs so much time to be like 1.6.
I fear it's too late too, but hope is the last to die.
The problem isn't our community, we really don't care about graphics, if that was the problem, well, it wasn't any problem at all, and CS would still be in a gold age like 2004-2007. The problem is the new players, and most of them care about graphics.
The problem isn't our community, we really don't care about graphics, if that was the problem, well, it wasn't any problem at all, and CS would still be in a gold age like 2004-2007. The problem is the new players, and most of them care about graphics.
It's already very very close to 1.6.
Your face when CS2 gets released in 2015 with rocket-launchers and a terrible game-play.
But go on. Live by your hopes.
Your face when CS2 gets released in 2015 with rocket-launchers and a terrible game-play.
But go on. Live by your hopes.
Lol. Valve's developing DotA 2 and they're really good at in this work. That's a proof that they can develop CS2 like DotA2.
You're living with your hopes. not me
You're living with your hopes. not me
Seriously? DotA2 is a completely different story since it gets developed by the same guy who also developed DotA.
CS was more some kind of "accident". What CS is today isn't what Gooseman expected respectively wanted it to be.
Your blind faith in some miraculous perfect CS2 is so unbelievable naive.
But that would be okay if you wouldn't permanently trash-talk CSP in every thread, newspost and blog.
You're like a guy, sitting in a burning house, who just found a small hole in the wall which may lead him out of the house, but who's just saying to himself: "I won't try to escape through that hole. I'm sure it will start raining soon and the rain will douse the fire".
Post edited 2012-07-05 22:33:42
CS was more some kind of "accident". What CS is today isn't what Gooseman expected respectively wanted it to be.
Your blind faith in some miraculous perfect CS2 is so unbelievable naive.
But that would be okay if you wouldn't permanently trash-talk CSP in every thread, newspost and blog.
You're like a guy, sitting in a burning house, who just found a small hole in the wall which may lead him out of the house, but who's just saying to himself: "I won't try to escape through that hole. I'm sure it will start raining soon and the rain will douse the fire".
Post edited 2012-07-05 22:33:42
LOL. The guy isn't developing DotA 2 alone you genius. There's a team.
They'renot making different game.
You're full of nonsense
They'renot making different game.
You're full of nonsense
"LOL. The guy isn't developing DotA 2 alone you genius. There's a team."
http://jpgmag.com/dev/o_rly.jpg
http://jpgmag.com/dev/o_rly.jpg
you should post it to yourself.
You don't need to create DotA again for DotA2. Valve just got the all work from IceFrog.
You don't need to create DotA again for DotA2. Valve just got the all work from IceFrog.
just stop hahaha. i don't know why you would support valve. they suck at developing cs. just look what they did with updating 1.6 by adding in shields. wtf is that?
csp will take over no matter what because it's developed by the community and not some greedy corporation. so the community will get what it votes for.
valve will not make cs:go to our liking and why should they if they already said it's not made to be like 1.6. but then again they sound like hypocrites for even saying that when they want feedback from pros (ofc pros from 1.6 will want the game to be like 1.6 and vice versa with pros from source). valve is like retards walking around in a circle.
just help support csp first by giving them feedback. if csp doesn't go well then cs:go will always be around since valve is selling the game.
csp will take over no matter what because it's developed by the community and not some greedy corporation. so the community will get what it votes for.
valve will not make cs:go to our liking and why should they if they already said it's not made to be like 1.6. but then again they sound like hypocrites for even saying that when they want feedback from pros (ofc pros from 1.6 will want the game to be like 1.6 and vice versa with pros from source). valve is like retards walking around in a circle.
just help support csp first by giving them feedback. if csp doesn't go well then cs:go will always be around since valve is selling the game.
Have you ever seen CSP on news in sites like CS:GO? Have you ever seen CSP in E3 2012 or PAX 2011 like CS:GO? ESL's making some cups for CS:GO. What about CSP?
CSP has no chance to get a community. Kids and new players won't start playing CSP instead of BF3,COD or Medal Of Honor.
CSP has no chance to get a community. Kids and new players won't start playing CSP instead of BF3,COD or Medal Of Honor.
Have you ever seen CSP in E3 2012 or PAX 2011 like CS:GO? Those conventions are only open to game developers or publishers, CSP is a mod, no mod gets a spot in those events.
ESL's making some cups for CS:GO. What about CSP? They hosted several tournaments for 1.04/1.05 etc
ESL's making some cups for CS:GO. What about CSP? They hosted several tournaments for 1.04/1.05 etc
you still belive in that cs2 crap dont you?
It's certain there will be a cs2. But you can continue saying crap. You haters do this all time. It doesn't matter if you saw the game or not.
Post edited 2012-07-05 23:05:11
Post edited 2012-07-05 23:05:11
yeah csgo is cs2 for valve
cs go is css v2 (;
for us but i guess for valve its cs 2
That's what Counter-Strike is: a game of skill. And this is what CS:GO is: an effort to put anyone who has or should play Counter-Strike into the same game. That's a big enough goal but not a grand enough one to merit the name Counter-Strike 2.
kotaku's Valve interview.
You don't know to guess anymore.
Post edited 2012-07-06 07:34:08
kotaku's Valve interview.
You don't know to guess anymore.
Post edited 2012-07-06 07:34:08
when earth shall be dying, i would expect you to stick to it till the end, despite everyone else will be leaving for some other planet :-P
if you can find some other planet for humans
yeah, scientist do found some planets and moons of different planets which are suitable for humans. But the real prb is to go there :-D atleast, in the next 100 years, i don't think that we'll be able to go to any external planet apart from our moon.
real prob is air and heat difference between day and night. lol
Post edited 2012-07-11 10:59:50
Post edited 2012-07-11 10:59:50
spaceships :-D
I expected one of these stupid and annoying "CS is deading!" or "CS 1.6 FOR EVA!" blogs, but this blog is actually very good.
Logic and fair thoughts and no blind hate towards people who just play some other version of "CS".
I agree with everything I've just read.
Post edited 2012-07-05 22:05:06
Logic and fair thoughts and no blind hate towards people who just play some other version of "CS".
I agree with everything I've just read.
Post edited 2012-07-05 22:05:06
Thank you. I appreciate.
CS scene dies - gathers/public will never maybe, less popular but oh well. Not sure which will be the next game maybe CS:P but its just a mod.
"And contrary to people's belief, CSP is not a mod, it's a totally new game, the only thing that have in common with source is the engine."
I'm agree with you in almost everything, especially in the part when you said why CS:S failed and why CS:GO will fail. The problem with Source is that it was a nice idea at the beginning, it was like another version of CS 1.6 but with better graphics something like CSProMod but after the release of Source in 2005 we realized that it wasn't as we expected, so they failed hard because as you said: "What's the problem then? The problem is that it's not Counter-Strike" and about CS:GO I don't have any hope in it, I will stay supporting the CSProMod project because I see the future of our beloved game in it ;)
Post edited 2012-07-05 22:10:02
Post edited 2012-07-05 22:10:02
really nice blog I agree with your point of view
CS:Promod writing was just from my mouth. My biggest dream about CS future is that the whole community would move to CS:Promod and it grows to as big community and eSport game as 1.6. With world gamers support and feedback this is possible. We just need to dare to try something new and give it a chance. Like picc said, CS:Promod team is very small. It needs players and feedback. Without players and big community ESL and other tournament hosts wont pick it. Give it a chance guys!
Promod wont go any where, not because its a bad game, but because no one will sponsor it, they will all sponsor CS GO, and seeing as no one will sponsor it no one will play it.
csp will come to an awkward crossroad, where for it to be accepted in tournaments it will need to have a player base, however for it to get a player base its going to need to be sponsored for tournaments, its going to fail on the basis of no marketing pretty much.
Like it or not the future of cs is in fact going to be with csgo.
csp will come to an awkward crossroad, where for it to be accepted in tournaments it will need to have a player base, however for it to get a player base its going to need to be sponsored for tournaments, its going to fail on the basis of no marketing pretty much.
Like it or not the future of cs is in fact going to be with csgo.
CS1.6<3 He's right I have try promod its much better than cs:go.
I tried promod, but not CS:GO, so i cant compare, but i'm sure that none will be like CS 1.6 <3
And with Half-Life 2, Valve released Counter-Strike Source in 2005
It was released in 2004, a few weeks before Half-Life 2.
people believe it's a failed game
It failed, even at the eyes of valve, they actually had no clue why people were still playing 1.6 after source was released.
Just a year after Source was released, CSPromod was launched
It was released on October 18th 2007, roughly 3 years after CS:S. Also, the name of the mod is "CSpromod" not "Counter-Strike Promod".
it's a very small team of 4 guys,
The development team isn't just the 4 coders.
It was released in 2004, a few weeks before Half-Life 2.
people believe it's a failed game
It failed, even at the eyes of valve, they actually had no clue why people were still playing 1.6 after source was released.
Just a year after Source was released, CSPromod was launched
It was released on October 18th 2007, roughly 3 years after CS:S. Also, the name of the mod is "CSpromod" not "Counter-Strike Promod".
it's a very small team of 4 guys,
The development team isn't just the 4 coders.
My bad then.
I don't get, if they thing its a fail why do they expect the community to move to source?
Since CS means Counter-Strike, i thought it was just a shorter name, my bad again.
They're 3 coders and 1 mapper, with a guy as manager of the project.
I don't get, if they thing its a fail why do they expect the community to move to source?
Since CS means Counter-Strike, i thought it was just a shorter name, my bad again.
They're 3 coders and 1 mapper, with a guy as manager of the project.
1) They thought the community would change to CS:S because of the better graphics and map design, what they weren't expecting was that the toned down difficulty was a turnoff to the competitive/hardcore community, of course, valve's devs only realized this years later.
2) "Counter-Strike" is a trademark by Valve, if the CSP dev team wanted to use that name they would need to pay.
3) Like I said, the development team isn't just 4 people, there are quite a few people from the community working on either textures, decals, maps etc.
2) "Counter-Strike" is a trademark by Valve, if the CSP dev team wanted to use that name they would need to pay.
3) Like I said, the development team isn't just 4 people, there are quite a few people from the community working on either textures, decals, maps etc.
Okay.
CSP is really much better than CS:GO. There are still a lot of things that should be fixed, but I think only this game can substitute 1.6 now. Of course I'm all hands on 1.6, but despite the situation nowadays only CSP is the variant, if not to talk exactly about 1.6.
So, just an idea here... I'll create a facebook group and try to get it to 100.000 likes at least, so we can open Valve's and the big tournaments that used to have cs 1.6 as main game eyes.
If this doesn't work, i'll devote quite a few time of my life, ruining CS:GO tournaments (this includes: trashing pc's, chairs, tables, screens, inside the tournament itself).
I'll seriously give this a tought so, if you agree w/ me, add steam puryt10 and we'll plan our revenge against main tournaments who decide to end CS 1.6 story.
Cumps, IEM, expect me.
If this doesn't work, i'll devote quite a few time of my life, ruining CS:GO tournaments (this includes: trashing pc's, chairs, tables, screens, inside the tournament itself).
I'll seriously give this a tought so, if you agree w/ me, add steam puryt10 and we'll plan our revenge against main tournaments who decide to end CS 1.6 story.
Cumps, IEM, expect me.
Olha, agora digo-te uma coisa muito rápida, o CS 1.6 para um jogo de 1999, tem os melhores gráficos do mundo... e digo-te jogos muitos realistas ? uma verdadeira merda. Para um jogo que dura à 13 anos com esta tecnologia moderna , nunca será esquecido (:
The only thing that will make CS:GO fail is the inability of current CS players (both in CS:S and 1.6) to accept it as a competitive title. I made a post on Cadred explaining why CSPromod will never be a success:
"It has absolutely no chance of being a success as a commercial title, and as such it will never have a player base big enough to succeed as an e-sport. No new players will pick up the game, old ones who have switched will eventually retire and the game will die. Valve is a multi million dollar company with enough financial clout to market any game they sell and market it well. CSPromod is a game made by some enthusiasts with little or no financial backing and no way of monetizing their game.
Even if they did find a way to monetize it, Valve could pull the plug on the entire operation any time it wanted to.. In the past that wasn't an issue but with them now developing CS:GO, do you think they'd let some shit mod based on their own engine steal their revenue stream?"
"It has absolutely no chance of being a success as a commercial title, and as such it will never have a player base big enough to succeed as an e-sport. No new players will pick up the game, old ones who have switched will eventually retire and the game will die. Valve is a multi million dollar company with enough financial clout to market any game they sell and market it well. CSPromod is a game made by some enthusiasts with little or no financial backing and no way of monetizing their game.
Even if they did find a way to monetize it, Valve could pull the plug on the entire operation any time it wanted to.. In the past that wasn't an issue but with them now developing CS:GO, do you think they'd let some shit mod based on their own engine steal their revenue stream?"
Why do you call CSP a "shit mod"? It's neither a mod (even though it's called promod) nor shit.
"It has absolutely no chance of being a success as a commercial title,"
Why?
"No new players will pick up the game"
Why?
Monetizing: After following this project for a long time I'm sure that making money was never their motivation. There would have been easier ways to do so. But they could actually monetizing it. There are two possibilities:
1. Getting it on steamworks: http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/
2. Searching for an investor and buying a source license:
http://source.valvesoftware.com/licensing.php
Yes, at the end it's all up to Valve, but calling CSP a "shit mod" just because it's not made by a multimillion company is so wrong. Especially if you think about the roots of CS. Playing CSP is actually a lot of fun and I'm enjoying it more than a lot of games I bought in the past and which were developed by well known game-studios.
Post edited 2012-07-06 02:11:55
"It has absolutely no chance of being a success as a commercial title,"
Why?
"No new players will pick up the game"
Why?
Monetizing: After following this project for a long time I'm sure that making money was never their motivation. There would have been easier ways to do so. But they could actually monetizing it. There are two possibilities:
1. Getting it on steamworks: http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/
2. Searching for an investor and buying a source license:
http://source.valvesoftware.com/licensing.php
Yes, at the end it's all up to Valve, but calling CSP a "shit mod" just because it's not made by a multimillion company is so wrong. Especially if you think about the roots of CS. Playing CSP is actually a lot of fun and I'm enjoying it more than a lot of games I bought in the past and which were developed by well known game-studios.
Post edited 2012-07-06 02:11:55
you're a dumb ass lol.
if cs:go fails, it will just mean the game wasn't good enough to build a competitive scene, nothing else. of course you'd love to blame the players for it, but a good enough game would generate its own community like cs 1.6 did.
as gehtnixryan said above, you're actually fairly wrong on most counts. they can't legally monetize it, but the plan was to make it free to play all long (afaik) which is how they COULD potentially have a chance of beating games like cs:go in player numbers. besides, the project is ran by alex garfield who has made eg pretty successful, if he puts effort into csp, i wouldn't be surprised if they scored some investments to give the project more budget.
csp could buy the rights to the engine et cetera (as pointed out above) and then valve actually would have no chance to pull a plug on it.
as gehtnixryan said above, you're actually fairly wrong on most counts. they can't legally monetize it, but the plan was to make it free to play all long (afaik) which is how they COULD potentially have a chance of beating games like cs:go in player numbers. besides, the project is ran by alex garfield who has made eg pretty successful, if he puts effort into csp, i wouldn't be surprised if they scored some investments to give the project more budget.
csp could buy the rights to the engine et cetera (as pointed out above) and then valve actually would have no chance to pull a plug on it.
tell me lurppis, i mean i heard you have managed to give some feedback to valve ....is CSGO atleast going in a good direction? or is valve still ignoring the 1.6 pros? what if there still is a chance for csgo after all?
they posted on the forums for about a week after my pcgamer article and since then there's been maybe one post per week in the forums. i am the only active cs 1.6 player who has posted more than 3 times there, the inactive one being natu.
i gave up on the game months ago when valve/hpe refused to make changes that could have improved the game (in my opinion) so i don't know which direction it's going in because i don't care - i don't even have the game installed anymore.
tl;dr: they are still ignoring all cs 1.6 pros.
i gave up on the game months ago when valve/hpe refused to make changes that could have improved the game (in my opinion) so i don't know which direction it's going in because i don't care - i don't even have the game installed anymore.
tl;dr: they are still ignoring all cs 1.6 pros.
well thats just sad :/ cus i saw wisenhunt's clips and it looked like valve was listening ...since the recoil has changed alot in the last 2 months along with the movement
wazaaap! Wtf is with all here in HLTV.org? Cs dying cs dying, CS:GO will replace it? Caman relax youjizz.com
maybe I talk bullshit but what about CS:CZ? no one talks about this version but everyone wants a game which works like 1.6 (movement,recoil and etc.) a bit different, but imo this is the nearest one to 1.6, dont know what community they got (maybe already dead) and how competetive can be on tournaments.
I don't want to offend you but CZ is a joke... Even Valve itself knows it. Yes we need a new game, with the same gameplay of 1.6, but that's not CZ, for sure. First, the gameplay isn't equal, better than cs:go for sure lol, but still a different than 1.6. And we need a new game because the graphics of 1.6 suck comparing to the new games, and CZ is exactly the same, so we i'd move to a worse game and it wouldn't solve anything.
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Post edited 2012-07-06 10:41:20
I see, seems the newcomers going for the graphics only, maybe thats why the new CoD's and BF's are that famous?
I didnt tried CSP, but reading your arcticle and following the comments/update news about CSP, seems this must be the best way than.
edit: forgot to use the reply button:D
Post edited 2012-07-06 10:52:16
I didnt tried CSP, but reading your arcticle and following the comments/update news about CSP, seems this must be the best way than.
edit: forgot to use the reply button:D
Post edited 2012-07-06 10:52:16
yes, it is.
try it, its free!
try it, its free!
The futures bright, the futures Orange.
picc my mate you are 100% right!
i played promod for first time about 2 days ago, and yes thats what we need, really nice game! thats the only game i will play if 1.6 die.
i played promod for first time about 2 days ago, and yes thats what we need, really nice game! thats the only game i will play if 1.6 die.
picc I love urs blogs <3
You are talking shit, cs is perfect just the way it is now, it doesnt need an upgrade in any way. A real e-sports game needs simple graphics, no realistic crap. im sure cs will go on for many years. cheers.
I'm not saying we should put cars and helicopters like CS:GO and CSS does, i'm saying it needs better graphics, and that's exactly what CSP adds, everything is just like 1.6, but with better graphics, no useless crap, just better textures. And cmon, are you serious? Obviously CS is dying and wont last for "many years". Look at the prizes, look at the teams and players.
everyone loves the simple graphics 1.6 has, and adding source graphics to 1.6 wont help at all..
ofc everyone loves... that's not the problem, we aren't the problem, the problem is the new players, and they care about graphics, so yes, it will help, a lot.
obviously it wont if every major organization drops it ....it will continue as a fun online game ..but not as an esport
cs 1.6 no new player coming in, and olds retired
css already died 2 year ago
csp good idea ... problem slow developing and small community ( hope its get bigger )
cs:go game its not that bad but not for esport for sure..
css already died 2 year ago
csp good idea ... problem slow developing and small community ( hope its get bigger )
cs:go game its not that bad but not for esport for sure..
didnt read all but that graphic argument really makes no sense..i mean watch LoL and laugh a lot,2d toons ..even wc3 had better graphics
you don't need awesome graphics to make a successful game, but if you try to make a game with 9 years old graphics it eventually becomes a problem. LoL doesn't have great graphics, but they aren't as close as 1.6. in addiction, FPS have a far more competitive side in terms of marketing that LoL hasnt. you can say dota but dota doesn't have that awesome graphics as well, BF3 and COD in the other hand..
a good example of game. Minecraft... nice graphics ah? but is one of the most played games with almost 7 million copies sold... without counting with the people who play cracked version... because of what? good gameplay and addicting game. New games in this days are made to be played some months so people can buy the next version of it in the next year.. that is what those companies want... money.. they don't care if the gameplay is good if the people will like..
you can't just bring minecraft like that, i play minecraft as well so i know what you're talking about. but minecraft doesn't have any competitors like CS does, so takes the whole point invalid.
i know.. it was just an example how a game can be good without those awesome graphics that people love..
i agree with you on all your statements.,
i was thinking about making a blog about it earlier today no shit! thank youi so much for taking your time to write thisa blog.
edit: sorry for little typos ipad keyboard sucks.
Post edited 2012-07-07 19:49:24
i was thinking about making a blog about it earlier today no shit! thank youi so much for taking your time to write thisa blog.
edit: sorry for little typos ipad keyboard sucks.
Post edited 2012-07-07 19:49:24
it would be lovely to see a new de_dust2 bigger with more things and bombsites to be played like 10vs10 or something...
my opinion it would be exciting to see something like that but with good conditions (map, tactics etc.)
my opinion it would be exciting to see something like that but with good conditions (map, tactics etc.)
CSS is actually bigger in some countries, believe it or not. If CS:GO fails, CS generally fails all together period.
If Counter Strike is dying is cause of League of Legends and Dota 2,I know a lot of players who switched to LoL...
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