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Firecore 4
2012-08-09 04:36
First and foremost I want to point out that I didn't attend the LAN so this is just my opinion based on what I've read and heard.
Firstly the article by, 'Pus', is sensationalist and misleading. If you want HLTV.org to remain a respected place for content then I would suggest reviewing and researching articles thoroughly before publishing them.
The title, "Firecore 4 a disaster", automatically implies that all parties involved were not amused. It's implying that the entire event was a calamity when in reality these issues have only started to spring up because of a statement by one particular team. Other people may have had their issues such as the French team but they haven't really gone out of their way to make any official claims. If you read through the thread it seems as though most people who were there actually enjoyed the LAN. They're not calling it a disaster are they? So GeT_RighT and co decide to make a fuss about it and then suddenly the entire thing failed? It's a sad state and says a lot about the communities maturity when a post like this is made and suddenly it's flooded with UK hate posts and unfair comparisons to major events. People need to realise that this is a small UK LAN, and they don't happen often. It's not a serious event contested for large sums of money. It's merely something which gets organised once or twice a year to give the UK players a little something to play for.
Statements like this are ridiculous, "Players of ColdGame fragbite.com have talked to said they thought it was highly unprofessional of a tournament official to use illegal third-party software in their game, but they did not care as they won the encounter 16-2 and wanted to go home." If they did not care then why did they bother bringing it up? What does, "And wanted to go home", imply? It is blatant moaning. So you thought you would fly to the UK to own some local LAN but now that you've arrived you just want to go home? Nice one. The articles tone reeks of sympathy for the Swedish players and seems to automatically shun the organisers. It's true they've clearly made some mistakes as is obvious by the apologetic tone but like I stated before it's unfair to imply that the entire event failed because of one statement by a clearly bitter person.
The article also failed to mention that prize money is based on attendance and is not set at a fixed amount. If organisers weren't forewarned about certain teams not showing up then how do you expect them to conjure up the remainder of the prize money? Some teams didn't attend therefore they had to make some compromises. It's fairly obvious as well as clearly stated in all posts regarding the event.
www.uk-ct.net/gaming_news/6715/firecore-4/
Here is the HLTV article from June.
www.hltv.org/news/8733-firecore-4-announced
"The prize purse will vary depending on attendance, with sixteen teams enough for £2,300 (~2,900€) while twenty-four would secure £4,000 (5,000€)."
Obviously at the time the prize purse predictions couldn't have been accurate but regardless of that the statement still says that the money could vary. As we know less than 16 teams attended so that would've made quite a difference in the prize pool. If teams decide not to show up it's hardly the organisers fault. People can be unreliable and keeping tabs on everything is impossible. As for the accusations about certain people having to pay less entry fee or getting certain fee's cut I can't really say anything. This always goes on at UK LAN's and is clearly a bad thing. On the other hand certain players do bring their own PC's to make up for the lack of them in the LAN centre and expect compromises for their efforts.
When it comes to the accusations of cheating, from what I've read it seems like ColdGame didn't mind either. They won 16-2 and apparently had a laugh about it whilst it was going on. And like I said before they, "didn't care". It's not like he was trying to hide it and use hacks to his advantage. Obviously it's the wrong thing to do as an admin or organiser but in these circumstances the accusation is quite petty.
My last point is about the rampant fanboyism polluting this site. Hateful comments have been springing up suddenly just because of one persons interpretation of events. People aren't realising that Blubs payed out of his own pocket for some of the prize money. People also aren't realising that the teams DID get payed. They DID receive money. What's with all these comparisons with Digifest and IGC? These event's never even payed a penny out! It's a SMALL UK LAN for Christs sake not a corporate run super league. Get a grip on your own perspectives. It's ridiculous and unfair. It's also been stated that ColdGame will receive more money by the 21st/22nd of August. In a time when this game is clearly on its last legs and people still make the effort to provide LAN events for they're communities it's a bit bloody rich to outright shun them for it. Where's all the local LAN's in Poland, Ukraine, Macedonia, Romania, Bulgaria, France, the Netherlands and all the rest of Europe? I haven't heard of any! At least in the UK where the CS scene has been pretty inactive for a good 3-4 years people still make an effort to hold events. Granted a lot of us also take them for granted but my point still stands.
Stop attacking each-other. You don't know what you've got until it's gone. For me CS died a few years ago. I only watch and play out of curiosity these days but there's still so many young players on this site who want to play. Here's a tip for you all. Stop being selfish, spoiled and stuck up and maybe you'll earn the respect you think you deserve.
Peace
Firstly the article by, 'Pus', is sensationalist and misleading. If you want HLTV.org to remain a respected place for content then I would suggest reviewing and researching articles thoroughly before publishing them.
The title, "Firecore 4 a disaster", automatically implies that all parties involved were not amused. It's implying that the entire event was a calamity when in reality these issues have only started to spring up because of a statement by one particular team. Other people may have had their issues such as the French team but they haven't really gone out of their way to make any official claims. If you read through the thread it seems as though most people who were there actually enjoyed the LAN. They're not calling it a disaster are they? So GeT_RighT and co decide to make a fuss about it and then suddenly the entire thing failed? It's a sad state and says a lot about the communities maturity when a post like this is made and suddenly it's flooded with UK hate posts and unfair comparisons to major events. People need to realise that this is a small UK LAN, and they don't happen often. It's not a serious event contested for large sums of money. It's merely something which gets organised once or twice a year to give the UK players a little something to play for.
Statements like this are ridiculous, "Players of ColdGame fragbite.com have talked to said they thought it was highly unprofessional of a tournament official to use illegal third-party software in their game, but they did not care as they won the encounter 16-2 and wanted to go home." If they did not care then why did they bother bringing it up? What does, "And wanted to go home", imply? It is blatant moaning. So you thought you would fly to the UK to own some local LAN but now that you've arrived you just want to go home? Nice one. The articles tone reeks of sympathy for the Swedish players and seems to automatically shun the organisers. It's true they've clearly made some mistakes as is obvious by the apologetic tone but like I stated before it's unfair to imply that the entire event failed because of one statement by a clearly bitter person.
The article also failed to mention that prize money is based on attendance and is not set at a fixed amount. If organisers weren't forewarned about certain teams not showing up then how do you expect them to conjure up the remainder of the prize money? Some teams didn't attend therefore they had to make some compromises. It's fairly obvious as well as clearly stated in all posts regarding the event.
www.uk-ct.net/gaming_news/6715/firecore-4/
Here is the HLTV article from June.
www.hltv.org/news/8733-firecore-4-announced
"The prize purse will vary depending on attendance, with sixteen teams enough for £2,300 (~2,900€) while twenty-four would secure £4,000 (5,000€)."
Obviously at the time the prize purse predictions couldn't have been accurate but regardless of that the statement still says that the money could vary. As we know less than 16 teams attended so that would've made quite a difference in the prize pool. If teams decide not to show up it's hardly the organisers fault. People can be unreliable and keeping tabs on everything is impossible. As for the accusations about certain people having to pay less entry fee or getting certain fee's cut I can't really say anything. This always goes on at UK LAN's and is clearly a bad thing. On the other hand certain players do bring their own PC's to make up for the lack of them in the LAN centre and expect compromises for their efforts.
When it comes to the accusations of cheating, from what I've read it seems like ColdGame didn't mind either. They won 16-2 and apparently had a laugh about it whilst it was going on. And like I said before they, "didn't care". It's not like he was trying to hide it and use hacks to his advantage. Obviously it's the wrong thing to do as an admin or organiser but in these circumstances the accusation is quite petty.
My last point is about the rampant fanboyism polluting this site. Hateful comments have been springing up suddenly just because of one persons interpretation of events. People aren't realising that Blubs payed out of his own pocket for some of the prize money. People also aren't realising that the teams DID get payed. They DID receive money. What's with all these comparisons with Digifest and IGC? These event's never even payed a penny out! It's a SMALL UK LAN for Christs sake not a corporate run super league. Get a grip on your own perspectives. It's ridiculous and unfair. It's also been stated that ColdGame will receive more money by the 21st/22nd of August. In a time when this game is clearly on its last legs and people still make the effort to provide LAN events for they're communities it's a bit bloody rich to outright shun them for it. Where's all the local LAN's in Poland, Ukraine, Macedonia, Romania, Bulgaria, France, the Netherlands and all the rest of Europe? I haven't heard of any! At least in the UK where the CS scene has been pretty inactive for a good 3-4 years people still make an effort to hold events. Granted a lot of us also take them for granted but my point still stands.
Stop attacking each-other. You don't know what you've got until it's gone. For me CS died a few years ago. I only watch and play out of curiosity these days but there's still so many young players on this site who want to play. Here's a tip for you all. Stop being selfish, spoiled and stuck up and maybe you'll earn the respect you think you deserve.
Peace
What's with all these comparisons with Digifest and IGC?
How would u know about digifest and igc with 0 visitors + 0 comments on your profile, can u please write this from your real account?:-)
firecore fucked up. eod.
How would u know about digifest and igc with 0 visitors + 0 comments on your profile, can u please write this from your real account?:-)
firecore fucked up. eod.
This is a fake account. Are you gonna use that as a counter-argument? "Oh you're using a fake account therefore everything you write is wrong?" I have my reasons for using a fake account and it doesn't change my point. Don't use it as an excuse to dodge my statements.
I know all about digifest and IGC. Just because I've made a new profile it doesn't mean I'm not aware of eSports. Don't be such a pseudo-intellectual kid.
I know all about digifest and IGC. Just because I've made a new profile it doesn't mean I'm not aware of eSports. Don't be such a pseudo-intellectual kid.
Trust me, you know nothing about IGC at all =D
Sorry, but any side stories from IGC?
What's your opinion of #44 when he stated that "IGC did pay money"?
Either I'm missing something or he made up the story?
What's your opinion of #44 when he stated that "IGC did pay money"?
Either I'm missing something or he made up the story?
Yes, being there at the venue 24x7 for 5 days, i know some stories which others don't q:
No, they didn't paid any gamer because they didn't got anything from them(registration money was returned back to everyone) nor from sponsors who backed out because of made up stories by there rivals, prior event. But they do gave some dozens of tablets and game Cds but that doesn't count as prize =D So yea, IGC was overall a mess which took place on false promises by some bunch of unprofessional guys.
Here is something which others don't know --
-Indonesian team said they don't care about prize money, they just want to play.
- Russian team said they'll takeover the venue premises and won't go back untill they get money =D
- Made up story of getting robbed in hotel. Hotel cameras proved it.
- Some Indian teams were trying to abuse the brackets even after loosing 2 times @_@
- Foreign team's COD4 manager getting mad after loosing to an Indian team.
- World #1 street fighter player lose to Indian SF player.
Many other things which i don't want to talk about D:
Also imo, IGC wasn't planned to scam anyone but it ended up as one because of various reasons.
No, they didn't paid any gamer because they didn't got anything from them(registration money was returned back to everyone) nor from sponsors who backed out because of made up stories by there rivals, prior event. But they do gave some dozens of tablets and game Cds but that doesn't count as prize =D So yea, IGC was overall a mess which took place on false promises by some bunch of unprofessional guys.
Here is something which others don't know --
-Indonesian team said they don't care about prize money, they just want to play.
- Russian team said they'll takeover the venue premises and won't go back untill they get money =D
- Made up story of getting robbed in hotel. Hotel cameras proved it.
- Some Indian teams were trying to abuse the brackets even after loosing 2 times @_@
- Foreign team's COD4 manager getting mad after loosing to an Indian team.
- World #1 street fighter player lose to Indian SF player.
Many other things which i don't want to talk about D:
Also imo, IGC wasn't planned to scam anyone but it ended up as one because of various reasons.
"Indonesian team said they don't care about prize money, they just want to play."
When did you hear this? For all I know, team nxl> was still in contact with them by email at least for 1 month after the event cause they was promised that the prize money to be paid within months. So it's ridiculous to say that they dont care about the money. But seems like the promise was a scam as well.
As for the rest of the stories, sorry but tbh I'm not interested even by a bit.
But to say that IGC did pay the money or even defended it was like an insult toward the participant, especially for the foreign team which loss is quite huge.
When did you hear this? For all I know, team nxl> was still in contact with them by email at least for 1 month after the event cause they was promised that the prize money to be paid within months. So it's ridiculous to say that they dont care about the money. But seems like the promise was a scam as well.
As for the rest of the stories, sorry but tbh I'm not interested even by a bit.
But to say that IGC did pay the money or even defended it was like an insult toward the participant, especially for the foreign team which loss is quite huge.
At morning 5:00 AM when everyone was discussing about the prize distribution.
I'm just talking about the on the spot talk which teams did with each other, i have no idea about whether they were in contact with IGC or with any other teams.
And yes, as i stated in my last post, IGC ended up as scam. Noone can deny that.
I'm just talking about the on the spot talk which teams did with each other, i have no idea about whether they were in contact with IGC or with any other teams.
And yes, as i stated in my last post, IGC ended up as scam. Noone can deny that.
Trust_xb0y.
Ok
Ok
Seriously fucker!!!
Were you even here at IGC? They did pay money but not equivalent to what was promised? Can't your fucking head imagine that when M5 owner didn't hesitate to bring up IGC, he would certainly have brought up the money issues later on but he didn't. Any clues dickhead?
Stop imagining, it's better to attend some lans and see what actually happens there?
What an Asshole.
Were you even here at IGC? They did pay money but not equivalent to what was promised? Can't your fucking head imagine that when M5 owner didn't hesitate to bring up IGC, he would certainly have brought up the money issues later on but he didn't. Any clues dickhead?
Stop imagining, it's better to attend some lans and see what actually happens there?
What an Asshole.
What? As far as I know they didnt pay any money from that event, thats the case from team nxl> from Indonesia. Are you saying it's different for M5?
Please don't make stories based on your judgement, but if it's true please prove and bring the fact here.
And why mad? IGC is clearly a mess, you can't even deny that fact.
Please don't make stories based on your judgement, but if it's true please prove and bring the fact here.
And why mad? IGC is clearly a mess, you can't even deny that fact.
Here's some perspective for you:
1) An admin used wallhack. Now mind you, it was 'for fun.' And yes, they did lose. But the reality is that no-one would have given a flying fuck if the rest of the tournament had been top notch. Except that it wasn't.
2) So I read the posts on fragbite and I also read the posts on this site. Ultimately what it comes down to is that:
i) people paid the money to enter this tournament.
ii) people didn't pay the money to enter this tournament
Now, when you have fwends running this tournament who you let to play for free then it leads to an absurd conclusion. Namely, who's going to cough up the money for the winners (if the participators will have to provide the money).
People aren't paying the money = people aren't receiving the money.
Now, Neil_m or whatever his name is, is being blamed for the failure of the event. Whether it was his incompetence, whether he simply let his friends play for free, whatever. Whether he was just a fucking rat who couldn't afford a 10 pound LAN payment, whatever.
The question is = did whoever really run this event believe that there was going to be a hedge fund behind them to pay out the prizes?
Because it apparently wasn't going to be so. And unless neil_m is not a shit, he's a shit.
e: some conceptual leaps there because I'm drunk, but should hopefully make sense nevertheless.
Post edited 2012-08-09 04:59:11
1) An admin used wallhack. Now mind you, it was 'for fun.' And yes, they did lose. But the reality is that no-one would have given a flying fuck if the rest of the tournament had been top notch. Except that it wasn't.
2) So I read the posts on fragbite and I also read the posts on this site. Ultimately what it comes down to is that:
i) people paid the money to enter this tournament.
ii) people didn't pay the money to enter this tournament
Now, when you have fwends running this tournament who you let to play for free then it leads to an absurd conclusion. Namely, who's going to cough up the money for the winners (if the participators will have to provide the money).
People aren't paying the money = people aren't receiving the money.
Now, Neil_m or whatever his name is, is being blamed for the failure of the event. Whether it was his incompetence, whether he simply let his friends play for free, whatever. Whether he was just a fucking rat who couldn't afford a 10 pound LAN payment, whatever.
The question is = did whoever really run this event believe that there was going to be a hedge fund behind them to pay out the prizes?
Because it apparently wasn't going to be so. And unless neil_m is not a shit, he's a shit.
e: some conceptual leaps there because I'm drunk, but should hopefully make sense nevertheless.
Post edited 2012-08-09 04:59:11
You haven't really made a single argument I didn't bring up so it's hardly a new perspective.
I addressed the entry fees being different for certain individuals as a bad point. I did not defend this act at all. I just stated that it's always happened and is a bad thing. I also said that certain people bought their own computers and sometimes they expect compromises for this. I know no more.
Whoever ran the LAN didn't expect 3 teams to not appear as well as random individuals on other teams. You can't predict such a circumstance and alternations have to be made due to this. None of this would've been an issue if the Swedish team hadn't made it one.
Obviously whoever ran this event didn't think there was going to be a hedge fun behind them. Stop intellectually masturbating yourself with nonsense statements. What are you even pondering?
I addressed the entry fees being different for certain individuals as a bad point. I did not defend this act at all. I just stated that it's always happened and is a bad thing. I also said that certain people bought their own computers and sometimes they expect compromises for this. I know no more.
Whoever ran the LAN didn't expect 3 teams to not appear as well as random individuals on other teams. You can't predict such a circumstance and alternations have to be made due to this. None of this would've been an issue if the Swedish team hadn't made it one.
Obviously whoever ran this event didn't think there was going to be a hedge fun behind them. Stop intellectually masturbating yourself with nonsense statements. What are you even pondering?
Ok, I'll try to keep this simple.
1) I said that "different" entry fees for different people were a shit idea. You want to attend = you pay. If your entry fee contributes towards the final prize fund then no-one gives a fuck whether you're BYOC or not.
Effectively = you want to play at the event, you pay the tenner.
Or perhaps you should read the fucking forums before you post bullshit?
2) Yawn
3) You're a moron.
1) I said that "different" entry fees for different people were a shit idea. You want to attend = you pay. If your entry fee contributes towards the final prize fund then no-one gives a fuck whether you're BYOC or not.
Effectively = you want to play at the event, you pay the tenner.
Or perhaps you should read the fucking forums before you post bullshit?
2) Yawn
3) You're a moron.
1) That's obvious. I also stated the same thing in my original post. I said I thought it was stupid but this is how it's always been. Why you've bought this up in the first place is beyond me because were in agreement.
3) Ad Hominem: An attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it. Ad hominem reasoning is normally described as a logical fallacy, more precisely an informal fallacy and an irrelevance.
3) Ad Hominem: An attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it. Ad hominem reasoning is normally described as a logical fallacy, more precisely an informal fallacy and an irrelevance.
You're the one who brought it up. I effectively said that it was a scam, but you're the one who attempted to defend it. Meanwhile, I found it indefensible.
Also, I don't see why you're quoting wikipedia or any reference that you clearly don't understand but here's the lowdown:
PEOPLE PAY MONEY
PEOPLE WIN MONEY
MONEY NOT PAID
MONEY NOT WON
Post edited 2012-08-09 05:38:18
Also, I don't see why you're quoting wikipedia or any reference that you clearly don't understand but here's the lowdown:
PEOPLE PAY MONEY
PEOPLE WIN MONEY
MONEY NOT PAID
MONEY NOT WON
Post edited 2012-08-09 05:38:18
I'm not defending it all? Where have I defended this point? Seriously are you just seeing what you want to see? I said it was a bad thing in the first place in my original post which!
Also the notion that Wikipedia is a bad reference point is outdated and merely a circle jerk. It's a reliable source of information for definitions and you can't deny that instead of addressing the point I made you decided to just insult me ad hominem.
You've ignored most of my argument anyway. I can't whose side you're on but I was mostly attacking the awful journalism in the article. I know the LAN had a few fucks ups but it wasn't a disaster for everyone involved was it? A few angry Swedes have gone home in a rut and made a complaint therefore the entire event failed?
Also the notion that Wikipedia is a bad reference point is outdated and merely a circle jerk. It's a reliable source of information for definitions and you can't deny that instead of addressing the point I made you decided to just insult me ad hominem.
You've ignored most of my argument anyway. I can't whose side you're on but I was mostly attacking the awful journalism in the article. I know the LAN had a few fucks ups but it wasn't a disaster for everyone involved was it? A few angry Swedes have gone home in a rut and made a complaint therefore the entire event failed?
Your "ad hominem" thing is genuinely making my brain hurt because you're just using it wrong. Just stop using it, thanks.
Ok, so let's get to the prize money. Apparently it was going to be 750 pounds for the first place, 250 pounds for the 2nd place.
Now, we have 16 teams attending.
Then we have this announcement:
http://www.hltv.org/news/8876-firecore-4-groups-an..
I'll quote:
1. $2,170 + 5x SteelSeries Kana
But ultimately the winners received I quote: "$450"
http://www.hltv.org/news/8906-firecore-4-a-disaste..
And the second place received diddly-squat.
Money to be transferred via paypal from Neil_M. I JUST WON THE FUCKING LOTTERY.
Ok, so let's get to the prize money. Apparently it was going to be 750 pounds for the first place, 250 pounds for the 2nd place.
Now, we have 16 teams attending.
Then we have this announcement:
http://www.hltv.org/news/8876-firecore-4-groups-an..
I'll quote:
1. $2,170 + 5x SteelSeries Kana
But ultimately the winners received I quote: "$450"
http://www.hltv.org/news/8906-firecore-4-a-disaste..
And the second place received diddly-squat.
Money to be transferred via paypal from Neil_M. I JUST WON THE FUCKING LOTTERY.
"3) You're a moron."
That's ad hominem you illiterate turd.
Also, "Moreover, the tournament officials informed the team after the final game that $78 would be deducted from their prize money because they were given a discount on the entry fees."
So they also received a fee cut in the first place.
Also the groups you posted included teams which didn't attend so the prize money would have been reduced further. You seem to be basing all of your points on the notion that everything was pre-determined when it actuality nothing could have been certain until the first day had concluded ad all the money had been tallied. Like I said before people receiving entry fee cuts in the first place is just wrong and stupid and that did not help.
You're also quoting a prize pot based on those 15 teams actually turning up which didn't happen. You've also failed to realise that individual members of each team also failed to turn up.
I'm not saying the event was perfect. You've completely missed my entire point. It was fucked up but not to the extent which the article implies. You're honestly the most incomprehensible person I've ever spoken to. You honestly can't read a statement without jumping to conclusions and responding without any foresight. Everything you've argued has already been addressed yet you seem adamant or reiterating those points.
That's ad hominem you illiterate turd.
Also, "Moreover, the tournament officials informed the team after the final game that $78 would be deducted from their prize money because they were given a discount on the entry fees."
So they also received a fee cut in the first place.
Also the groups you posted included teams which didn't attend so the prize money would have been reduced further. You seem to be basing all of your points on the notion that everything was pre-determined when it actuality nothing could have been certain until the first day had concluded ad all the money had been tallied. Like I said before people receiving entry fee cuts in the first place is just wrong and stupid and that did not help.
You're also quoting a prize pot based on those 15 teams actually turning up which didn't happen. You've also failed to realise that individual members of each team also failed to turn up.
I'm not saying the event was perfect. You've completely missed my entire point. It was fucked up but not to the extent which the article implies. You're honestly the most incomprehensible person I've ever spoken to. You honestly can't read a statement without jumping to conclusions and responding without any foresight. Everything you've argued has already been addressed yet you seem adamant or reiterating those points.
Oh, forgot to mention: some Ukrainian guy posted in the other thread that apparently Coldgame et al had been informed of the fact that prize monies wouldn't be paid out. Fuck knows whether that's true or not.
i could only LOL with ur post
Anyway, whatever.
Essentially what I was trying to say was: Did the people in question get paid the amount of money that they were promised?
Did FA get their (very much deserved) 1st place prize? Probably not.
Probably not many of you live in the UK but in these parts train tickets cost you more than flights.
Honestly, you could take a train from London to Manchester and pay more than 100 pounds per person if you do so at a bad time.
Anyway, all of this comes down to 'cultural awareness' since you should have done your bookings beforehand. But the point remains nevertheless. For ColdGame it probably wasn't worth it to turn up in the first place.
But on the other hand, if everyone had paid their entry fees then they probably would have been recompensated. That's what I have a gripe with.
Not with people paying "different" entrance fees. There's a problem with not paying entrance fees.
But as far as prize money goes in this respect. Were, GTR & co, potential #1-2 seeds aware of this? Some people say yes. Some people say who gives a shit? X number of teams enter, X number of teams play. Now that's where the real fuckup arose.
Essentially what I was trying to say was: Did the people in question get paid the amount of money that they were promised?
Did FA get their (very much deserved) 1st place prize? Probably not.
Probably not many of you live in the UK but in these parts train tickets cost you more than flights.
Honestly, you could take a train from London to Manchester and pay more than 100 pounds per person if you do so at a bad time.
Anyway, all of this comes down to 'cultural awareness' since you should have done your bookings beforehand. But the point remains nevertheless. For ColdGame it probably wasn't worth it to turn up in the first place.
But on the other hand, if everyone had paid their entry fees then they probably would have been recompensated. That's what I have a gripe with.
Not with people paying "different" entrance fees. There's a problem with not paying entrance fees.
But as far as prize money goes in this respect. Were, GTR & co, potential #1-2 seeds aware of this? Some people say yes. Some people say who gives a shit? X number of teams enter, X number of teams play. Now that's where the real fuckup arose.
Did the people in question get paid the amount of money that they were promised?
No, because due to unforeseen circumstances they didn't have enough money.
Did FA get their (very much deserved) 1st place prize?
Apparently so.
Honestly, you could take a train from London to Manchester and pay more than 100 pounds per person if you do so at a bad time.
This is a point however it's stupid to attend these types of LAN's expecting to capitalise and make a profit. It's always going to be loss with such low prize purses to begin with. If people choose to fly over for such an event they can only blame themselves. As stated hundreds of times before the prize money was dependent on attendance anyway so they would have had to have flown over and arrived at the LAN centre before they even knew what the prize pot was going to be.
But on the other hand, if everyone had paid their entry fees then they probably would have been recompensated. That's what I have a gripe with.
Like I stated in my post they are getting re-compensated.
Some people say who gives a shit? X number of teams enter, X number of teams play. Now that's where the real fuckup arose.
Read this:
Neil_M
I'll post here since this is actually a proper site unlike that bs fragbite site.
We run LANS on cash prizes based on how many teams ATTEND the lan. I've always said prizes IF 16, IF 20 teams etc. We only had 12 fully paid teams in the end as 3 teams didnt even tell us they were attending.
We got 15 teams at FireCore 3 in London and paid out mostly all the money we said we would because we got the amount of teams we wanted.
My intention on running LANS was to give UK a FUN lan to play for. Wasnt that big of a deal with some decent cash for the people in the top3.
Me and blubs gave ourselves free entry and paid for travel up. Surely we deserve SOMETHING for doing the LAN? You reckon any LANS do it for nothing at all? no.
The LAN was meant around £1850 in prizes if we got 16 teams. We had 13 teams + my team didnt have a 5th because bomber dodged and MaTzz couldnt attend the 2nd day. thats -£80 straight away.
Onscreen did my servers. That doesn't come free since he spent Wednesday and Thursday doing them servers/HLTV.
blubs didnt pay and rose stepping as a last second sub. I don't think its fair to ask her to pay because the end of the day we do UK lans for FUN and its better then having no team at all and being another £120 down from the other 3 members?
Also ColdGame not payin the £50 thats more money from the pot gone.
I had to give small discounts for people bringing PC's aswell as i only found out i was only getting 10 PC's from the LAN centre 7 days before the event,
So thats at least £1000 from the LAN gone. that makes about the £800-900 that was paid out at the event.
I will be paying coldgame from bank transfer on the 20th or 21st this month.
So that = £1100 after the 20th of this paid out. £700 short on what was meant to be paid. £600 for the 3 teams not attending. Coldgame £50 and Rose and my 5th not coming. thats over £700. So saying we've screwed over people and pocketing money is complete bs.
The only thing i've personally gone wrong is not putting 100% into the LAN. I've my reasons which i have spoken and said sorry to blubs as he did a fantastic job running it smoothly.
No, because due to unforeseen circumstances they didn't have enough money.
Did FA get their (very much deserved) 1st place prize?
Apparently so.
Honestly, you could take a train from London to Manchester and pay more than 100 pounds per person if you do so at a bad time.
This is a point however it's stupid to attend these types of LAN's expecting to capitalise and make a profit. It's always going to be loss with such low prize purses to begin with. If people choose to fly over for such an event they can only blame themselves. As stated hundreds of times before the prize money was dependent on attendance anyway so they would have had to have flown over and arrived at the LAN centre before they even knew what the prize pot was going to be.
But on the other hand, if everyone had paid their entry fees then they probably would have been recompensated. That's what I have a gripe with.
Like I stated in my post they are getting re-compensated.
Some people say who gives a shit? X number of teams enter, X number of teams play. Now that's where the real fuckup arose.
Read this:
Neil_M
I'll post here since this is actually a proper site unlike that bs fragbite site.
We run LANS on cash prizes based on how many teams ATTEND the lan. I've always said prizes IF 16, IF 20 teams etc. We only had 12 fully paid teams in the end as 3 teams didnt even tell us they were attending.
We got 15 teams at FireCore 3 in London and paid out mostly all the money we said we would because we got the amount of teams we wanted.
My intention on running LANS was to give UK a FUN lan to play for. Wasnt that big of a deal with some decent cash for the people in the top3.
Me and blubs gave ourselves free entry and paid for travel up. Surely we deserve SOMETHING for doing the LAN? You reckon any LANS do it for nothing at all? no.
The LAN was meant around £1850 in prizes if we got 16 teams. We had 13 teams + my team didnt have a 5th because bomber dodged and MaTzz couldnt attend the 2nd day. thats -£80 straight away.
Onscreen did my servers. That doesn't come free since he spent Wednesday and Thursday doing them servers/HLTV.
blubs didnt pay and rose stepping as a last second sub. I don't think its fair to ask her to pay because the end of the day we do UK lans for FUN and its better then having no team at all and being another £120 down from the other 3 members?
Also ColdGame not payin the £50 thats more money from the pot gone.
I had to give small discounts for people bringing PC's aswell as i only found out i was only getting 10 PC's from the LAN centre 7 days before the event,
So thats at least £1000 from the LAN gone. that makes about the £800-900 that was paid out at the event.
I will be paying coldgame from bank transfer on the 20th or 21st this month.
So that = £1100 after the 20th of this paid out. £700 short on what was meant to be paid. £600 for the 3 teams not attending. Coldgame £50 and Rose and my 5th not coming. thats over £700. So saying we've screwed over people and pocketing money is complete bs.
The only thing i've personally gone wrong is not putting 100% into the LAN. I've my reasons which i have spoken and said sorry to blubs as he did a fantastic job running it smoothly.
Unforeseen circumstances. HOW COULD I HAVE BEEN SO STUPID?
Oh I get it now. You read the first thing in a post then ignore the rest and immediately reply. It's clear you have no response other than to regurgitate the redundant points you made in the first place.
Well, apparently so.
Apparently it was also my fault that all of the prize money evaporated!
Apparently it was also my fault that all of the prize money evaporated!
You do realise that the sum of all the entry fees combined is not equal to the sum of the prize distribution right? There are venue fees etc to be payed as well.
LAN centres don't just rent out their space for free. You can't just waltz in and declare an event. It takes planning etc. The organisers are competent enough at running events because they've done it 3 times in the past without half as much drama. Perhaps some things do go awry but you can't say that other massive events don't have their prize money issues, delays etc.
Post edited 2012-08-09 06:38:44
LAN centres don't just rent out their space for free. You can't just waltz in and declare an event. It takes planning etc. The organisers are competent enough at running events because they've done it 3 times in the past without half as much drama. Perhaps some things do go awry but you can't say that other massive events don't have their prize money issues, delays etc.
Post edited 2012-08-09 06:38:44
No, apparently I'm too fucking ignorant to realise that.
http://www.hltv.org/news/8895-free-agents-win-fire..
"British mixteam Free Agents have topped Christopher "GeT_RiGhT" Alesund's ColdGame 2-1 (15-19 de_dust2, 16-10 de_tuscan, 16-3 de_nuke) to win FireCore 4 and $2,170."
Well, I guess that 2,170 could have been yen after all!
http://www.hltv.org/news/8895-free-agents-win-fire..
"British mixteam Free Agents have topped Christopher "GeT_RiGhT" Alesund's ColdGame 2-1 (15-19 de_dust2, 16-10 de_tuscan, 16-3 de_nuke) to win FireCore 4 and $2,170."
Well, I guess that 2,170 could have been yen after all!
Haha, what a pathetic argument. Obviously that's just HLTV.org repeating an earlier figure. They obvious;y weren't aware of what had transpired at the actual LAN. They probably just heard FA had won and quickly updated the site with the figures they had.
It's not like they had a representative there or anything. You know, like at every other major event in the World where you get instant updates from people on the scene! You're making it sound like this LAN was the be all and end all of international eSports.
It's not like they had a representative there or anything. You know, like at every other major event in the World where you get instant updates from people on the scene! You're making it sound like this LAN was the be all and end all of international eSports.
Fuck, regardless of how much we wanted to prove you wrong... It was always SOURCE. THAT'S WHAT IS WAS ALWAYS ABOUT. HOW COULD I HAVE BEEN SO STUPID. SEE YOU and the rest of the fucks here in CS:GO!!
Frater's mind descends into lunacy, unable to comprehend the fact that his intellectual dominance on HLTV.org was only due to the average IQ of 42; his mind has retreated into chaos, no longer able to cope with the reality of this world. RIP Frater. A lobotomy would have served him finer.
I approve this
Fuck, that was some seriously drunken posting! Anyway, cannot be bothered to reopen this 'discussion' so you win!
Sore losers checklist:
Dismissal check
Elitism check
"I was drunk" (seriously?) check
Finishing with an exclamation point over a dot to hide the bitterness as playfulness check
Dismissal check
Elitism check
"I was drunk" (seriously?) check
Finishing with an exclamation point over a dot to hide the bitterness as playfulness check
haha nice.
i didn't even read the blog, but watching Frater lose his mind was quite entertaining. well played, OP.
i didn't even read the blog, but watching Frater lose his mind was quite entertaining. well played, OP.
So much drama.
FA bunch of noobs using wh.
Its a morning i did not go to sleep but if im correct.
If 16 teams would show up and pay their entry(£50) = 800.
That means that someone had £2100 before.
but 3 teams didnt show up and therefore its minus 150 on the 800 = 650. 2100 + 650 = £2750.
Then i guess you can remove another 200 or something like that for the people who got a discharge and free entry for some reason when it clearly says that its important to pay £50.
so 2550. Thats what they can use to pay the winners. But i mean what did Coldgame get? Like 150?
Thats not fair in my opinion.
But have in mind that i dont have all the facts, its just a thought i have. They may have used the money to pay the rent on the local or something i dont know.
And to make this clear, i do not care about the event. The discussion got out of control and we should be happy that there are still people that are doing something good for our dying game.
Anyway, im going to bed now.
Have a nice day everyone =)
If 16 teams would show up and pay their entry(£50) = 800.
That means that someone had £2100 before.
but 3 teams didnt show up and therefore its minus 150 on the 800 = 650. 2100 + 650 = £2750.
Then i guess you can remove another 200 or something like that for the people who got a discharge and free entry for some reason when it clearly says that its important to pay £50.
so 2550. Thats what they can use to pay the winners. But i mean what did Coldgame get? Like 150?
Thats not fair in my opinion.
But have in mind that i dont have all the facts, its just a thought i have. They may have used the money to pay the rent on the local or something i dont know.
And to make this clear, i do not care about the event. The discussion got out of control and we should be happy that there are still people that are doing something good for our dying game.
Anyway, im going to bed now.
Have a nice day everyone =)
You've got to account for other payments like, booking the venue which is usually very expensive.
Yeah the venue cost them a couple of grand. I'm glad that you're taking this into account.
"The prize purse will vary depending on attendance, with sixteen teams enough for £2,300 (~2,900€) while twenty-four would secure £4,000 (5,000€)."
you would think that they would take into account the price of BOOKING THE VENUE before releasing these number.
you would think that they would take into account the price of BOOKING THE VENUE before releasing these number.
ownde :)D
I agree with you. This is not a big lan event. Its for the local community. If foreign teams come its nice but it doesnt change something.
Those sweds are spoiled. Maybe they shouldnt visits lan events outside Sweden.
Those sweds are spoiled. Maybe they shouldnt visits lan events outside Sweden.
Free got half of what was supposed to be 1st place, for a uk lan thats pretty dam good.
in the end the blubs cheating didnt effect anything, all games were played out, and some form of prize distribution was attempted at. but prizemoney is not why people come to a uk lan, its to play some cs and meet your friends! making swedes and frenchies cry/rage because they lost AND for believing neil_m's brownosing/lies/Exaggeration about how amazing the lan is going to be....makes it more than worthwhile :)
indeed, when the price money is what it is, i cant see the reason to fly over to uk and attend the event be anything els than a small vacation, play some cs with a great bunch of guys or whatever and have fun.
Yo Archie, I did a highlight for you shud check it out on youtube. nice 4k on dust2 against coldgame @ the grand finals
That LAN was just shit. Prizes are even small comparing to Serbian lans, players bringing their computers, some teams didnt pay entry fee...its just funny. And the wallhack for fun LOL. I remember once Bulgarians bitching about some 20 euros on LAN in Serbia becuse of exchange rate difference, the owner of the venue payed that out of his pocket instantly. You are just noobs. =D
using a wallhack isn't funny or cool... cheating is cheating. if he cheats at LAN it shows he has access to cheats so probably cheats online and at LANs in the past.
UK > India
"First and foremost I want to point out that I didn't attend the LAN so this is just my opinion based on what I've read and heard." stoped reading there.
It's also been stated that ColdGame will receive more money by the 21st/22nd of August.
Bullshit. They had their money there for a sec but was taken away therefore they won't receive MORE MONEY since they didn't even actually get any.. They will get paid via internet which is dumb and it's sad that the cash got taken away from them to pay to the CHEATERS.
Bullshit. They had their money there for a sec but was taken away therefore they won't receive MORE MONEY since they didn't even actually get any.. They will get paid via internet which is dumb and it's sad that the cash got taken away from them to pay to the CHEATERS.
what he states here is true tho , i dont see any other people going out there way to form a LAN in any other country most countries have died out and cant be arsed to set up a LAN for there fellow country teams to play in , now with all the criticism firecore is therefore over. which over the years , firecore wiredout all the others were 100% successful i attended firecore 3 personally was very well run and winfakt enjoyed it aswell there were no problems what so ever & it was run by the same person blubs which is a really genuine guy having a laugh at lans everyone practically driving him away from the scene now there will be no more LANs in the uk what so ever. and the game is in desperate need of more...
Post edited 2012-08-10 12:26:11
Post edited 2012-08-10 12:26:11
I'm going to assume you are xx posting under a newly created account as your blog has several similarities to the message he/you sent me earlier today. As such, I will copy parts of the reply I sent to xx/you. (see italic text)
I'm sorry you didn't like the article.
You seem like a smart guy, so I'm sure I don't need to explain to you why the media sometimes use sensational headlines.
Still, it seems to amaze people every time they come across the use of sensationalism in headlines.
I don't fully agree with your following sentence: "Firecore 4 a disaster" automatically implies that everyone involved has been snubbed." Looking past the sensational headline, when you read the article itself it clearly points out it was a disaster for ColdGame and Karl Batson.
I do understand your criticism of the headline either way, however.
Regarding the prize money, here more of my reply to you/xx:
Concerning the prize distribution, what you say is correct, but the organizers failed to state this on their official website (see http://www.firecorelan.com/index.php?option=com_co.. Unless stated otherwise, which it doesn't seem to be, the prizes listed in the above-mentioned link should count.
Also, if you would focus less on the title, you would've picked up on the fact that we sourced fragbite.se for the article. We based the story on what they had written earlier, which was clearly pointed out.
Concerning Karl Batson (blubs), I strongly disagree with the use of cheats. I understand that it might have been entertaining there and then, but it does, like he said, come off as very unprofessional. On the other hand, he should receive praise for attempting to fix the problems that occurred.
"Where's all the local LAN's in Poland, Ukraine, Macedonia, Romania, Bulgaria, France, the Netherlands and all the rest of Europe? I haven't heard of any!"
Classy move, especially when you end your blog talking about respect.
I'm sorry you didn't like the article.
You seem like a smart guy, so I'm sure I don't need to explain to you why the media sometimes use sensational headlines.
Still, it seems to amaze people every time they come across the use of sensationalism in headlines.
I don't fully agree with your following sentence: "Firecore 4 a disaster" automatically implies that everyone involved has been snubbed." Looking past the sensational headline, when you read the article itself it clearly points out it was a disaster for ColdGame and Karl Batson.
I do understand your criticism of the headline either way, however.
Regarding the prize money, here more of my reply to you/xx:
Concerning the prize distribution, what you say is correct, but the organizers failed to state this on their official website (see http://www.firecorelan.com/index.php?option=com_co.. Unless stated otherwise, which it doesn't seem to be, the prizes listed in the above-mentioned link should count.
Also, if you would focus less on the title, you would've picked up on the fact that we sourced fragbite.se for the article. We based the story on what they had written earlier, which was clearly pointed out.
Concerning Karl Batson (blubs), I strongly disagree with the use of cheats. I understand that it might have been entertaining there and then, but it does, like he said, come off as very unprofessional. On the other hand, he should receive praise for attempting to fix the problems that occurred.
"Where's all the local LAN's in Poland, Ukraine, Macedonia, Romania, Bulgaria, France, the Netherlands and all the rest of Europe? I haven't heard of any!"
Classy move, especially when you end your blog talking about respect.
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