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Won't be updates on cs:go gameplay?!
2012-08-24 02:50
I know another thread abou cs:go... lol still i would be thankfull if u read and share your opinion
I heard that valve won't do any update to the actually gamepaly.
still there is a lot of things that make this game bad in terms of competitive mode.
they should put russian walk or duckjump in the game, for clutch situtions, 1v1 or so are almost impossible if the guy put's the bomb on B and u are on A sight u can't find out where he is, and he can hear u runing as u can't go all the way nn.
removing the jump sound is a must, clutch sitution 1v1, u want to climb a box without making noise to surprise the guy, you are spoted right way.
The sound in the game is just awfull, is so confusing that i can't even tell.
The rcoil is random in terms of spraying, the secret is to tapfire or burstfire lol, sprays are just random, as i find myself being killed by a deagle when i'm in is face spraying my m4 on his face and can't hit shit, besides if you aim to the legs spraying and runing side ways u will actually kill more than 1 enemy in close sitution lol.
Maps train is just awfull and simple, it's like they made a map for mentally chalanged people, nuke down bombsight is just 2 hard to retake lol, the maps are so bad that u find out noobs playing croutched in random places and actually killing people.
Overall the game is playable but not for competitve mode, as i can't see people doing crazy clutches, crazy quickshots, crazy shit like we are used to on 1.6, it will be a boring game to whatch if it stays that way.
Matchmaking is awfull aswell, i can't understand how myself with a k/d 2.204 (1629/739)get in matches with guys that use to play call of duty or teamfortness or even cs:s pubers that don't know how to aim, how to buy, how to check spots etc...
Overall this is an unfinished game, and don't come and tell me that i have to get use to the game, i got 20 hours played and the k/d talks for itself, it's not that i can't kill, as if i was the typical noob like that ones that changed to cs:s cause they sucked in 1.6, so when they found themselvs owning on cs:s, that game become the best in their minds.
Iwould like to watch and to play a real counter-strike title, at this point even cs:s is better than cs:go, as i own the 4 versions of cs i can actually say that even cs:s that is a crap at this point is better than go.
Not doing any update on the gameplay is just playing stupid.
I heard that valve won't do any update to the actually gamepaly.
still there is a lot of things that make this game bad in terms of competitive mode.
they should put russian walk or duckjump in the game, for clutch situtions, 1v1 or so are almost impossible if the guy put's the bomb on B and u are on A sight u can't find out where he is, and he can hear u runing as u can't go all the way nn.
removing the jump sound is a must, clutch sitution 1v1, u want to climb a box without making noise to surprise the guy, you are spoted right way.
The sound in the game is just awfull, is so confusing that i can't even tell.
The rcoil is random in terms of spraying, the secret is to tapfire or burstfire lol, sprays are just random, as i find myself being killed by a deagle when i'm in is face spraying my m4 on his face and can't hit shit, besides if you aim to the legs spraying and runing side ways u will actually kill more than 1 enemy in close sitution lol.
Maps train is just awfull and simple, it's like they made a map for mentally chalanged people, nuke down bombsight is just 2 hard to retake lol, the maps are so bad that u find out noobs playing croutched in random places and actually killing people.
Overall the game is playable but not for competitve mode, as i can't see people doing crazy clutches, crazy quickshots, crazy shit like we are used to on 1.6, it will be a boring game to whatch if it stays that way.
Matchmaking is awfull aswell, i can't understand how myself with a k/d 2.204 (1629/739)get in matches with guys that use to play call of duty or teamfortness or even cs:s pubers that don't know how to aim, how to buy, how to check spots etc...
Overall this is an unfinished game, and don't come and tell me that i have to get use to the game, i got 20 hours played and the k/d talks for itself, it's not that i can't kill, as if i was the typical noob like that ones that changed to cs:s cause they sucked in 1.6, so when they found themselvs owning on cs:s, that game become the best in their minds.
Iwould like to watch and to play a real counter-strike title, at this point even cs:s is better than cs:go, as i own the 4 versions of cs i can actually say that even cs:s that is a crap at this point is better than go.
Not doing any update on the gameplay is just playing stupid.
The rcoil is random in terms of spraying
LIKE
LIKE
? it is , i can actually spray a guy perfectly and then do the same thing and not hit more that 1 bullet, it's not acurate as in 1.6 or even cs:s, just get killed by deagle guys when i had my xair on their faces or chest spraying, what is just stupid
its not random you just dont know how to control it, yet.
it's not controlable at all, as the guys on auto mixs or even on community servers, that are owning don't even try to spray anymore just tapfire and burst. But the spray isn't the worst part, the worst part is the fact that is almost impossible to win clutch situtions
Post edited 2012-08-24 03:20:02
Post edited 2012-08-24 03:20:02
You dont get used to 1.6 recoil in a week dude. Ive seen ppl spraying really well dunno if you saw natu streaming but he took down 3 guys in train spraying at a medium distance.
lol i can do it to dude, but it is random, as i say i'm not having problem mastering the game as it is, is a pretty easy and simple game, just are factors to it, like the spray being randon and unreliable, probably i have to own a 300fps computer to be able to spray lmao
Its not random, it has a recoil pattern. Its just not what you're used to. The weapon states are intended and probably won't change - there is nothing wrong with them.
oh please, every spray in every cs game has a "random" variable in spraying. Where the bullet will go, you will not know for sure, that is called randomness my friend. Increase the randomness (accuracy) of the bullet, overall competition of a game goes down.
yes, they (HPE) tweaked the ak and m4 in beta to have LESS randomness in their tapping and bursting, and spraying. It was worse in beta. there is randomness. oh, and howdy.
Post edited 2012-08-24 22:08:01
yes, they (HPE) tweaked the ak and m4 in beta to have LESS randomness in their tapping and bursting, and spraying. It was worse in beta. there is randomness. oh, and howdy.
Post edited 2012-08-24 22:08:01
Create a LAN server and go find out for yourself. Each clip has the same pattern and the recoil can be controlled.
Its not like a dice is rolled to determine where each individual bullet is going, which is what I would class as random, because as mentioned, there is a pattern which means there is a direction; you should have a general idea of where the bullets are going.
Its not like a dice is rolled to determine where each individual bullet is going, which is what I would class as random, because as mentioned, there is a pattern which means there is a direction; you should have a general idea of where the bullets are going.
Go into a match with no players, or make one yourself. Buy an M4/AK and spray at the wall controlling the recoil. Either you're very bad or you'll notice that controlling a spray in CS:GO isn't all that hard afterall.
i actually own a lot in this game and it stills random so u'r saying that only cause the spray is random for him, and it is, that he is bad? lol pls i can kill 3/4 players in a row with a spray, like i can miss all the clip on guy with his back turned to me, it's pretty much like that.
cs1.6 recoil
OP did you even check the new update?
http://store.steampowered.com/news/8715/
agree with jumping sound tho. But as you see they are updating the game so often. Dont say this game is shit i wont play it, go to the forum and make a thread. Try to explain what you'd change, why and how in a polite way.
http://store.steampowered.com/news/8715/
agree with jumping sound tho. But as you see they are updating the game so often. Dont say this game is shit i wont play it, go to the forum and make a thread. Try to explain what you'd change, why and how in a polite way.
"Dont say this game is shit i wont play it,"
I'm not saying that lol, i'm actually saying what i would like to see emproved to have more fun playing and watching it, and i saw the last update, nothin big nothing that is really in need, i stated two poinst much more important than that updates, still i will start a trhead on vavle forums for sure and try to be polite aswell lol
Post edited 2012-08-24 03:27:21
I'm not saying that lol, i'm actually saying what i would like to see emproved to have more fun playing and watching it, and i saw the last update, nothin big nothing that is really in need, i stated two poinst much more important than that updates, still i will start a trhead on vavle forums for sure and try to be polite aswell lol
Post edited 2012-08-24 03:27:21
The gameplay is the main negative point of CS:GO, once they fix it the game can be a huge success, but if still like it is right now, things aren't going to the way Valve is expecting, imho.
Post edited 2012-08-24 04:25:16
Post edited 2012-08-24 04:25:16
gameplay is all that matters with online games.
im pretty sure valve is really happy with the way csgo is going
pro players switching to go
major tournaments adopting the game
pro players coming out of retirement to play csgo
people making constant threads on hltv, cadred, etc increasing exposure
people talking about it constantly on gaming sites and forums is basically free advertising for them
whether or not they actually make changes is up to them but already theyve changed alot of things due to community feedback so as long as you state your opinion intelligently and with good reasoning on the steamforums theyre likely to atleast read what you wrote and discuss it amongst themselves
pro players switching to go
major tournaments adopting the game
pro players coming out of retirement to play csgo
people making constant threads on hltv, cadred, etc increasing exposure
people talking about it constantly on gaming sites and forums is basically free advertising for them
whether or not they actually make changes is up to them but already theyve changed alot of things due to community feedback so as long as you state your opinion intelligently and with good reasoning on the steamforums theyre likely to atleast read what you wrote and discuss it amongst themselves
Great thread will read again 10/10 this is bookmarked!
'maps are made for the mentally chalagened' -comedy gold
'maps are made for the mentally chalagened' -comedy gold
I agree, the maps are ... kinda retarded. Destroying old maps with taking in ridiculous monkey things like a stair or a secret underground new thing : O
Valve doesn't know that you don't need to fucking re-invent the fucking wheel.
Valve doesn't know that you don't need to fucking re-invent the fucking wheel.
sarcasm? they are, just look at train compare it with cs or cs:s it's so basic, and small at the sime time, the proportions of the map aswell make them easy to camp in any spot etc.., the only ones i can't complain is d2 cause is not that bad and inferno, d1 is good aswell it's pretty balanced now. but for tournaments and stuff they don't have 4 or 5 dessent maps, but hey that's my opinion as a spectator and as a player.
The game has just come out of beta, it will take a few months before mapmakers bring out maps like Tuscan, mirage and others.
I agree train isnt great but perhaps it's time to leave train behind and adapt.
I agree train isnt great but perhaps it's time to leave train behind and adapt.
i'm not talking about making already other maps, just make this maps playable, de_nuke from volcano is actually good, but train should be remake from the start, it's to much gamerfriendly, still only my opinion
Well nuke is playable as volcanos version is a valve approved version, train needs some work but I would imagine that isn't a major priority right now considering they need to sort out the bugs and shit.
Shut up, Gumpster. You're not funny in the slightest. Take your dribble back to Cadred. No one here cares what you have to say.
Why do you feel the need to come to HLTV trying to convince us to play whatever game you believe will progress the CS format as an e-sport when you have literally nothing to do with e-sports at all. (i-Series does not count. It is an absolute joke.) You will never play the game at a decent level or win any money from it. So why do you try to progress it? So that Richard Lewis will have something to write about on his crap website?
You are not a spokesperson for the Source/GO community, stop trying to be. Every post you make on this website just embarrasses your community further.
Why do you feel the need to come to HLTV trying to convince us to play whatever game you believe will progress the CS format as an e-sport when you have literally nothing to do with e-sports at all. (i-Series does not count. It is an absolute joke.) You will never play the game at a decent level or win any money from it. So why do you try to progress it? So that Richard Lewis will have something to write about on his crap website?
You are not a spokesperson for the Source/GO community, stop trying to be. Every post you make on this website just embarrasses your community further.
LMAO.
All I said was a sarcy comment ;)
But some of your comments make me laugh.... carry on being deluded.
All I said was a sarcy comment ;)
But some of your comments make me laugh.... carry on being deluded.
Which comments in particular?
The fact that you think I care, the fact that you think Im trying to convince anyone here to play, the fact that you feel I have "literally nothing to do with eSports", yet have helped out through various projects of mine. The fact that you think Rich cares about anything I say on here, the fact that you actually think I think I am a "spokesperson for the Source/GO community", when I am clearly not.
I enter a debate, and I fight fire with fire, if people dribble on here, I will fight that with some stupidity that the poster gives. If someone actually gives decent replies, or decent comments or criticism's then yeah I will agree or disagree. We live in a world full of free speech, if that's an issue then go do one?
I enter a debate, and I fight fire with fire, if people dribble on here, I will fight that with some stupidity that the poster gives. If someone actually gives decent replies, or decent comments or criticism's then yeah I will agree or disagree. We live in a world full of free speech, if that's an issue then go do one?
You're so full of yourself it's stunning.
Did you even take notice that Valve addded bullet tagging exactly like 1.6? I guess you're a bit mentally challenged yourself so I won't explain why it's a good thing :)
CS:GO has some problems:
1 - the awp scope sucks, it looks like i am playing cod
2 - for me galil owns the ak... i don't know why but i loved the ak in 1.6 but hate it in go because of the recoil, and i just cant tap fire like in 1.6, i can just tap fire 2 times lol
3 - jumping sound is just awfull
4 - deagle is too powefull and easy like in css, in 1.6 it was powerfull but not easy to master
5 - the jumping is just like cod, u loose speed when u hit the groun, you can't bhop as good as in 1.6 or css
6 - doing a 1 on 1 situation as a T you get a lot of advantage
Maps
Train - it was known to have an easy CT side, now the bombsite is so easy, from con CT you cant see con T and to win u just need to smoke that shit, throw a he to con CT and plant the bomb... easyyyy, the inside is ok but that part is just too easy for T's
Inferno - its perfect but its a lot like css, they should mix 1.6 with css
nuke - i tried to strafe jump to the sylo like in 1.6 i managed to do it but today after the update i just can't LoL u cant go inside the house through the window, u can just enter vents... what a stupid idea omfg like what?? B bombsite is just so hard to retake and when they took that entrance from outside to B bombsite it just sucked LOL, and CT's can get easly as fast as the T's to the inside wich is stupid
dust II - nothing to add its cool too except for the awp spot in the T base to double doors, its even easier for T's to make a shot... even with AK's -.-
dust - i don't know the map, after i started playing 1.6 it wasn't as official map
aztet - the same as dust but T side is just too hard :S
i wish they could add tuscan and mirage, i realy love those maps, mirage was a realy interesting map, no favourite side, in my point of view
1 - the awp scope sucks, it looks like i am playing cod
2 - for me galil owns the ak... i don't know why but i loved the ak in 1.6 but hate it in go because of the recoil, and i just cant tap fire like in 1.6, i can just tap fire 2 times lol
3 - jumping sound is just awfull
4 - deagle is too powefull and easy like in css, in 1.6 it was powerfull but not easy to master
5 - the jumping is just like cod, u loose speed when u hit the groun, you can't bhop as good as in 1.6 or css
6 - doing a 1 on 1 situation as a T you get a lot of advantage
Maps
Train - it was known to have an easy CT side, now the bombsite is so easy, from con CT you cant see con T and to win u just need to smoke that shit, throw a he to con CT and plant the bomb... easyyyy, the inside is ok but that part is just too easy for T's
Inferno - its perfect but its a lot like css, they should mix 1.6 with css
nuke - i tried to strafe jump to the sylo like in 1.6 i managed to do it but today after the update i just can't LoL u cant go inside the house through the window, u can just enter vents... what a stupid idea omfg like what?? B bombsite is just so hard to retake and when they took that entrance from outside to B bombsite it just sucked LOL, and CT's can get easly as fast as the T's to the inside wich is stupid
dust II - nothing to add its cool too except for the awp spot in the T base to double doors, its even easier for T's to make a shot... even with AK's -.-
dust - i don't know the map, after i started playing 1.6 it wasn't as official map
aztet - the same as dust but T side is just too hard :S
i wish they could add tuscan and mirage, i realy love those maps, mirage was a realy interesting map, no favourite side, in my point of view
Considering Valve IS in fact actively updating the gameplay already I'd say this blog is kinda pointless..
lol meaningless updates that won't afect the game play, they have more importants thins like the jump noise etc.. that should already have been fixed...
Tagging does not affect the game play, really? Maybe you should not be the judge of these matters..
lol'd ofc not that much, the sound problems, the noise problem with jump, no being able to cross the map doing less noise and stuff, are the majer stuff that should be added, that's what ruining the game, not lil push ups when u get hited lol.
pls i don't want to be rude, but you know at least how to play cs? what makes u lose a round or not? what frustrates people is this kinda thing not being pushed over and slown down by shots lol, please that is so irrelevant in go, cause a engage ends quickly with a headshot it's like cs:s fast kills all the way, not seeing tagging effects, making a big gameplay change as when engaged the other guy or me gets dropped right way lol, but hey maybe u'r right.
Post edited 2012-08-24 11:03:22
pls i don't want to be rude, but you know at least how to play cs? what makes u lose a round or not? what frustrates people is this kinda thing not being pushed over and slown down by shots lol, please that is so irrelevant in go, cause a engage ends quickly with a headshot it's like cs:s fast kills all the way, not seeing tagging effects, making a big gameplay change as when engaged the other guy or me gets dropped right way lol, but hey maybe u'r right.
Post edited 2012-08-24 11:03:22
They are still clearly changing the sound, the patch on the 22nd made changes to the sound, so how about instead of declaring the game unfixable we try to help and guide them towards what we think it should be?
And maybe, just maybe, some of the changes in CS:GO are actually for the better, so just patching everything to be equal to 1.6 makes no sense really.
And maybe, just maybe, some of the changes in CS:GO are actually for the better, so just patching everything to be equal to 1.6 makes no sense really.
i'm not stating it as unfixable, i just stated the changes i personally think that would emprove the game in so many ways.
And ofc it is a new game not everything got to be like 1.6, but as 1.6 is the fps along with quake with the best gameplay, most of the things should be reused on go, but thats my opinion.
Post edited 2012-08-24 15:00:57
And ofc it is a new game not everything got to be like 1.6, but as 1.6 is the fps along with quake with the best gameplay, most of the things should be reused on go, but thats my opinion.
Post edited 2012-08-24 15:00:57
Game is ruined because there is no silentrun? lol'd
it actually is, just compare the streams bitwin cs:s and 1.6, cs1.6 is just more exciting to watch, silent run is one of the cs1.6 features that made the game what it was, the fact u can clutch a round walking throw bombsights not making a lot of noise, gives the game more possibilities, people underate silentrun but it was one of the main factores on the game being so exciting.
Post edited 2012-08-24 15:06:36
Post edited 2012-08-24 15:06:36
Uhm, CS was plenty exciting before anyone discovered silent run..
for a reason oldschool players would be "torn a part" by mid top players nowadays it's evolution of the game, but probably this a matter of taste and opinion, for me it is essencial as the maps in cs:go got more hidding spots and so, it would emprove a lot the gameplay imho
I am just saying that silent run is in no way needed to make an exciting game, trust me, people found CS exciting in 2003.
u'r right on that point, but it would emprove the game play and give more chances to see crazy clutchs.
But oh well is to soon to say it won't work or it will with or without it, for me would be a great update to the game.
But oh well is to soon to say it won't work or it will with or without it, for me would be a great update to the game.
They're adding tagging? Well, that's some decent news for a change.
Anyway, is it Valve or Hidden Path working on the updates?
Anyway, is it Valve or Hidden Path working on the updates?
Do you think that they are going to do something with these FPS problems? I have AMD Phenom II x4 3,01GHz and my FPS drop to ~60 : (
Maybe the biggest crap ive read today, Spray totally random!?!? Its the exact oposit. If you don't trust me you can just spray at a wall 10000 times and you will get almost the exact same patern every time.
And i don't even wanna start on
"I heard that valve won't do any update to the actually gamepaly."
Post edited 2012-08-24 11:19:27
And i don't even wanna start on
"I heard that valve won't do any update to the actually gamepaly."
Post edited 2012-08-24 11:19:27
i already saw that states on irc, and like the brithis from mouz said that the game would not suffer big updates on gameplay, so he can actually start playing it serious as it wont change a lot and he can get use to it.
And it's the oposite? roflcopter so many people agree with it, u got to be special, or u'r got a special cs:go version for sure..
And it's the oposite? roflcopter so many people agree with it, u got to be special, or u'r got a special cs:go version for sure..
VALVE PLEASE!
Just fix this:
Crouching
Strafing (Idk if it's the english name for it, it's when you bhop you click A/D and while you are in the air your body continues to move that way.)
Jumping sound
Look we don't want a super realistic game, there is already too many, we want an amazing competitive FPS. Please don't make the same mistakes you did in CSS. If you fix this 3 little things A LOT of people from the 1.6 community will be completly satisfied.
I don't know about what other communities will feel if you change those 3 things but well, the reason why 1.6 didn't have the double or triple players, was because of the graphics. So I figure out that if you make the gameplay more like 1.6 (not EXACTLY) people will love it because it combines graphics with some great gameplay. The way it is now it's just like any other non-competitive FPS.
Post edited 2012-08-24 12:38:25
Just fix this:
Crouching
Strafing (Idk if it's the english name for it, it's when you bhop you click A/D and while you are in the air your body continues to move that way.)
Jumping sound
Look we don't want a super realistic game, there is already too many, we want an amazing competitive FPS. Please don't make the same mistakes you did in CSS. If you fix this 3 little things A LOT of people from the 1.6 community will be completly satisfied.
I don't know about what other communities will feel if you change those 3 things but well, the reason why 1.6 didn't have the double or triple players, was because of the graphics. So I figure out that if you make the gameplay more like 1.6 (not EXACTLY) people will love it because it combines graphics with some great gameplay. The way it is now it's just like any other non-competitive FPS.
Post edited 2012-08-24 12:38:25
I agree about the jumping part.
About clutch situations it is possible... but its different from 1.6, you'll have to find a new way on how to clutch etc... its a different gameplay which need to be learned
About clutch situations it is possible... but its different from 1.6, you'll have to find a new way on how to clutch etc... its a different gameplay which need to be learned
i explaned well about the clutchs, if u'r on B sight and u'r 1on1 vs a terrorist that just planted on A sight, he got all the time in te world to hide find a good location wille he can hear u coming, nn just takes to long. But probably is a matter of opinions
1. recoil is not random
2. the game will be updated from all points of view
kthxbye
2. the game will be updated from all points of view
kthxbye
I think they should do a kind of russianjump thingy, i mean like shouldnt be able to spam it but, like a surpise attack around the corner, like you can do it every 5 second or something.
yeah,gameplay is too hard for competitive. Weapon models looks like they are made from paper,recoil sucks,movement is awful,sounds are from CoD... They have a lot of thinks to do.
I played CS:GO today, and I can't see why people are getting so interested in this game.
Yes, it has better graphics, but so what? I don't wanna seem like old school and nerd, but fuck cs:go...
Yes, it has better graphics, but so what? I don't wanna seem like old school and nerd, but fuck cs:go...
a little offtopic: Is there some cs:go good massive servers or dm?
cs:go is shit ....
imo csp > cs:s > cs:go
Gumpster gonna gumpst!
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