CS:GO F2P and NiP - a.k.a the MAFIA?
2013-03-11 18:41
Hello there HLTV.org. The whole dramapart of this might be uninteresting to you, if that's the case you can stop reading as I'll write the only thing in here that you might feel is important:

CS:GO is going free 2 play

Anyways, I feel that I've been treated pretty badly by one of the more important persons in Swedish e-sports, and I would like to expose this behavior as I hope that it'll "save" others from experiencing the same thing, and also because I would like to make e-sports a bit more professional as I believe that the events that've occurred today are embarrassingly unprofessional, which saddens me as I've always thought that NiP was one of the more "serious" organizations (you can thank Peter Hedlund and his nice clothes for that).

I was on my way to school around 9-10 AM, slightly (very) late and kind of stressed as I was in a hurry to a test. I then got a phonecall. I assumed that it was my teacher who wondered where I was so I answered, but it turned out to be fiskoo, one of the managers for NiP Gaming (I'm not sure what his exact position is).

You might wonder why this man called me. I wondered the same thing. Even though I heard exactly what he said when he introduced himself, I had to ask who he was again to make him repeat it as I was very surprised. After the conversation I looked up the phonenumber to confirm that it actually was fiskoo, and it was (and no, i'm not going to prove this by posting his phonenumber).

He called me because of a comment I made in a recent newspost about HeatoN/Valve's expansion plans. I posted this picture in that comment:

i.imgur.com/JJ9DHyt.png

He politely asked me to remove this picture, and also explained that if I wouldn't, he'd file a police report. Sure, I would've had no problem with doing that, the problem is that you can't edit or remove your comments after the first 10 minutes so I told him that it simply isn't possible.

When I said that, the conversation went from a polite conversation to a pretty aggressive one where he with an angry voice questioned my actions. This was before he told me that he was recording the phone call, so I became a bit too defensive and basically said "How can you be so dumb that you tell "sensitive" information to a random 15-year old on the internet", and I apologize for this, but I don't think that throwing accusations in a 15-year olds face as a 39-year old is a good thing to do as it's pretty obvious that I won't be able to act mature to 100% (after this I feel like I responded pretty well to everything though, I simply explained my standpoint and stood my ground without yelling etc. He has the phone call recorded so if he wants to upload I don't have anything against that, in fact I heavily encourage that).

As it was several hours ago I don't want too go too in-depth about what was said in the phone call as I'd most likely get it wrong somewhere which would either make him or me look better/worse then we were in that phone call.

So what does the Swedish text in the picture mean? I was told that I revealed sensitive information that he gave too me in trust, is that true? Lets find out.

The first part is rather uninteresting so I won't translate it word for word, but he tells his name, says what companies he owns together with HeatoN and he also says which companies he helps with "stratetic sponsorship questions". He also tells me that he has arranged several events and that he'll arrange two big events in LoL and DotA 2 this year (he doesn't give anymore info about it though).

Okay, so far so good, I haven't revealed anything confidential. The boxed sentences are interesting though, they translate too:

"I also have a close cooperation with Valve regarding their in-house beta for CS:GO. I also cooperate with them in the project to convert GO to F2P".

Too explain why I didn't think this was a big deal, we'll have to go to the last sentences which translates too:

"I'd be happy if you didn't mention this in public because I don't like to display my name. Fakenicks are good sometimes :)"

The way I comprehended this was that he didn't want his nickname out in the public as fakenicks are useful (as you can see in his post history as he post ads for his companies under a pseudonym :P). I left his nickname out of the picture out of respect, this was the only thing I thought that he didn't want in the public.

I didn't at ALL think that CS:GO going F2P was so insanely "schh-schh" as I never thought he'd tell me if that was the case. As you can see from the picture below, I NEVER ASKED for this information NOR DID I AGREE TO KEEP IT SECRET. I also think that the fact that I didn't do anything for several months proves that I simply didn't care about it all, but just casually mentioned it when I saw HeatoN's interview.

i.imgur.com/odNzxzE.png

Why did we write to eachother in the first placE? We had an argument on HLTV.org, he acted like he was "all-that" and famous and shit so I wanted to know who he was, he told me in a PM (and a bunch of stuff that was supersecret apparently, unfortunately I only learned this when he told me that he would file a police report).

I find this to be extremely unprofessional, not only does he reveal secret information to a random 15 year old, he doesn't even get me too realize that it is super secret and he doesn't give me an NDA or anything to sign. I've signed NDA's before so I know what purposes they serve, so I asked him if I had signed an NDA with NiP/Valve. I was told that this doesn't matter and that even if it does, he doesn't care if I get any form of punishment as he just wants to report me, personally I think this was an attempt to blackmail me in to removing this pic as he might've thought that it made him look unprofessional.

If there's any lawyer here on HLTV.org, please let me know if I did anything illegal by revealing information I didn't agree to get/keep secret, information I didn't know was secret.

Also I'm not even sure if it is legal to record phone calls, especially when I don't know i'm being recorded on 1/3 of the recording? No matter what I don't think that's a nice move.. EDIT: This is legal.

This might just come of as a huge rant, but I hope that this encourages the NiP-guys to be a bit more professional in the future, both when it comes to management of sensitive information and in the way you handle leaks when they appear. I felt very attacked and actually pretty insulted by it all, therefore I decided to write this blog. I definitely wouldn't have if HeatoN called and asked me nicely as the fanboy in me wouldn't have been able to resist ;)

There's always two sides to a story, so I hope that Fiskoo uploads our conversation so you can decide for yourselves who's in the right/wrong.
I read only the first paragraphs but it's obviously not your problem if he gives you informations he shouldn't publish at all. That's what I think. Pretty much his fault you could've gotten hacked and the hackers would've been able to read it aswell. So yeah.
2013-03-11 18:44:56
It's not your problem, If he says you something you can do whatever you wants with it..
2013-03-11 18:49:34
Wrong.
2013-03-13 15:05:07
You're the one who's wrong, dude. Since our 15 yo does not at all have any relations with the guy, and is not even informed that the particular piece of information is classified, he can actually do whatever the fuck he wants with it.

The guy who might be in trouble here is fiskoo for revealing company secrets to a - excuse me my language - fucking fifteen year old from a gaming site because of an argument.

Post edited 2013-04-06 16:52:34
2013-04-06 16:50:33
Bro dont worry about him and NiP he was a bully to you and a coward to threaten you as a 39 year old. he used to be a really nice man but valve dollars have changed him
2013-03-11 18:54:12
aka the mafia :D lol
2013-03-11 18:57:38
you had my curiosity

but now you lost my attention

ps. do not worry about police reports, it's 99.9% of times a sloppy bluff.
2013-03-11 18:59:23
I like how you keep saying that age has no saying in things when people use that argument against you, but you clearly seem to think it actually makes a difference from the whole "how can someone be so stupid to say those things to a 15-year old"-thing. :------)?
2013-03-11 18:59:29
My point was that he doesn't know me, so as far as he knows i'm just a random kiddo on HLTV.org :)
2013-03-11 19:01:17
Then he doesn't know you're 15 years either.
2013-03-13 15:06:12
Hahaha so you're 15, lol. That explains some of the retarded comments you've been making..
2013-03-15 17:52:14
You're well-spoken, but now that I know you're 15 it all makes sense.
2013-03-11 19:00:19
Doesn't seem like you've done anything wrong. I'm more concerned/interested to how CS:GO is going to work in a F2P module.
2013-03-11 19:01:09
hahaha it wont "work" but Valve are desperate now so they got nothing to lose since they all ready failed with csgo.. its a bad sign when fiskoo is behind it all and he has to brag about himself to a 15 year old..
2013-03-11 19:04:39
Valve haven't failed at all. They set out to expand the Counter-Strike series onto modern consoles and not only let professional players in but did a good job of catering to the casual public. They are also certainly not 'desperate'.

If anything CS:GO is at the least, a moderate success from Valves point of view. That doesn't mean I agree with how they've done things, though.

Post edited 2013-03-11 19:34:21
2013-03-11 19:33:27
by: VxO4
#44
So in other words EA v2
2013-03-11 19:35:02
Not at all. If CS:GO was made by EA we'd have to be connected to the Internet to play the game.
2013-03-12 07:36:10
+1
2013-03-12 09:33:19
Well its a multiplayer based game. So not many people play against bots all day :D

And since 90% of pc users have internet its not such a big deal as everyone complains about.

Anyway that wasnt actually what i meant. You explained it more in a way of marketing which reminded me of the EA strategy.

Post edited 2013-03-12 15:34:29
2013-03-12 15:33:35
Yeah you're right, CS:GO isn't much of a single player game.

I know what you mean, but at the end of the day Valve have to make money some how.
2013-03-13 00:42:53
A well made game will always sell. But the question then is how good :D
2013-03-13 01:03:14
1. Valve lost at best a few thousand dollars from people who would have bought the game and now they wait for it to go F2P.

2. He made fiskoo look like a complete idiot in the eyes of Valve who probably will never share confidential information with him again.
2013-03-13 04:57:39
Nah, you didn't do anything wrong, he's the dumb one to tell you stories he doesn't wanna see revealed
2013-03-11 19:01:24
by: usk1
#19
You're to young to understand important things. Go back to school.
2013-03-11 19:03:36
this post was so bad, clearly from someone who has been too much in school!

Post edited 2013-03-12 12:31:06
2013-03-12 12:28:19
If this is true then fiskoo is an idiot. However the idea of CS:GO going f2p isn't anything unexpected.
2013-03-11 19:04:01
You're overreacting imo lol. He just got pissed that the information was leaked and tried to fix it.
2013-03-11 19:12:12
"CS:GO F2P and NiP - a.k.a the MAFIA?"

lol... grow up dude
2013-03-11 19:15:40
he already said he's 15. Grow up :D
2013-03-12 11:19:22
by: VxO4
#34
Kinda weird when mr 15 year old starts to explain whats a NDA. LOL

How about you at least reveal the person you talked to in your chat/hltv message?

I mean you already told us who it is.

Post edited 2013-03-11 19:23:05
2013-03-11 19:16:06
for a 15 year old kid, he has more "mental" age than most guys in here between 17/21

Post edited 2013-03-11 20:32:59
2013-03-11 20:32:47
I'll honor his request to keep his fakenick hidden.
2013-03-11 20:35:24
You shouldn't have posted this :/
2013-03-11 19:21:16
And why's that?
2013-03-11 19:21:56
You just download Premium Rush ? :b
2013-03-11 19:23:21
I think he can sue you, not sure though
2013-03-11 19:23:58
Sue someone... in Sweden?
ROFL

Post edited 2013-03-22 17:34:42
2013-03-22 17:33:24
I mean, i remember for COD:BO2, someone leaked infos about the game, and got sued, not sure if it is the same thing.
2013-03-11 19:27:15
It's called leaking, you break into some system to get that info.
2013-03-11 19:40:10
No, it doesn't have to be that way, but now that i thought about it, i remember the guy who leaked it, was part of the makers, so it could mean that in order to get sued you need some arrangement.
2013-03-11 19:43:45
If he was a maker, he has broken the confidentiality agreement which is part of the contract they sign when getting employed.
2013-03-11 19:44:52
true.
2013-03-11 21:57:38
Exactly. And to be fair, the only way anyone would be sued is if any harm was done. Leaking information about CS:GO supposedly going F2P isn't really harmful at this point. And the only one who has a claim is in this case Valve against fiskoo or whatever is name is.
2013-03-12 12:54:14
but in this case it was not really leaking, the guy told him
2013-03-11 19:44:31
LOL sue you? Do you know what pain in the ass is to open and complete a legal process?
Plus you didn't sign any contract or any confidentiality agreement so you need not worry about the legal issues.
(law school student 4th year here)

Post edited 2013-03-11 19:43:01
2013-03-11 19:39:21
If you inadvertently get hold of information that is confidential (or it is disclosed to you) and you know that it is confidential then you are also bound by this duty of confidentiality.

But yeah, it doesn't matter. Valve has absolutely nothing to gain by suing him.
2013-03-11 21:45:47
If someone gets hold of confidential info,then its not his duty to safeguard it.Its the owner's fault who could not safeguard his own infos. Not any strangers who got hand to it by any means what so ever.

Its up to you how u handle your belongings unless otherwise stolen. And this 15 yr old kid has certainly not stolen anything,and even if he has,the opp. needs to proof it.
2013-03-12 11:25:19
Well, no.
2013-03-12 21:43:07
This is not considered information of high importance. That happens either when you are bound by a contract, confidentiality agreement, working for the company or when the secret compromises national security.
2013-03-12 12:33:51
The legal duty of confidentiality is far wider and arises in a substantial number of other situations than just contractual. Don't worry, you'll learn about it on the LPC ;)
2013-03-12 21:40:56
Can't really find a counter-argument without researching a bit more on the matter so I'll accept your explanation.
2013-03-13 14:10:13
Yeah but in this case, there is no basis for fiskoo to start legal actions. I'm assuming that the Swedish legislation is somewhat similar to the finnish one, which would mean that there has to be a specific law that makes some sort of document illegal or then there must be a contractual agreement between the parties. In this case there is no way that fiskoo's message would be automatically confidential by law and since there is no contract, the entire threat is laughable.

On a side note, why are you being so condescending to him? You consider yourself expert on this field? Fine, then educate him but there is no need to be a knob about it. Or do you think what you said is relevant to this case? Because its not.

Post edited 2013-03-15 17:59:00
2013-03-15 17:57:11
I wasn't being condescending, I simply told him that he'll learn in due course. The LPC is something that you do before becoming a lawyer in E&W. It's where you actually learn about the practical things about being a lawyer. And yes, I've done it and I'm a lawyer and while I'm not an expert in this area, I'm willing to bet that I know a whole lot more than most people here. I simply responded to him because unlike every other person who's posted in this thread, he is actually in the best position to understand this situation.

Anyway:
1) fiskoo wouldn't sue him because the duty of confidentiality is owed to Valve and not to him. If anybody could sue, it would be Valve.
2) But as I already said in the beginning, they'd have nothing to gain by suing a 15 year old kid.
3) You don't need a contract for a duty of confidentiality to arise. It's highly questionable whether it would arise in this scenario, but my point was that all the people with their "Durr there's no contract" drivel are just clueless.
2013-03-15 20:59:29
Yeah well I probably just misinterpret your first comment, sorry for that.
2013-03-16 09:26:45
No worries :)
2013-03-16 13:47:03
to answer your question
1. you are not illegal to post this informations.
2. he is not illegal to record the telephone conversation
2013-03-11 19:40:50
The 2nd point is certainly true. The former still needs some clarifications before judging about the legality. If he sues the kid.. even the kid can sue him for sure.
2013-03-12 11:26:32
You are 15, don't even care.
2013-03-11 19:41:40
f2p and ?
game still sucks.need changes!!!
2013-03-11 19:47:15
i like it
2013-03-11 19:52:59
man, aint u bored of posting the same shit in every thread?
2013-03-11 20:49:03
the worth part is that he has true
2013-03-12 05:13:59
yeah I knew going F2P was the only way to have GO in eSports for a little longer.
2013-03-11 19:51:16
hahahahah
2013-03-11 19:54:55
Someone is messing with your head. Just received info.

Post edited 2013-03-11 19:56:54
2013-03-11 19:56:08
I was kind of skeptic to that aswell, therefore I was veryyyy surprised when it turned out that the information was insanely classified ;)

Secondly, if we hide the problems they won't be fixed. I'm very sure that the NiP guys will think twice before doing such a thing again, which will lead to less leaks and less calls like this. They aren't bad guys, i'm sure they have the heart in the right place, stuff just went a bit weird.

Third; no regrets really.
2013-03-11 19:58:23
Anonymous tip just came in, someone is playing with your head.
2013-03-11 20:00:42
Please elaborate. The phone call was 100% from a person with the same name as fiskoo.
2013-03-11 20:01:13
Won't elaborate. Have no reasons to. Just know that someone is playing you a game and that's it.

have fun
2013-03-11 20:02:16
haha so thats you was calling him?
2013-03-12 00:57:34
It is a big chance that it is wmb who is trolling him yes. WMB and his boys is known in sweden as the biggest trolls in the whole CS scene.

#65 You cant get sued for that, oh well you can be sued, but will not be convicted for it.
2013-03-12 09:40:48
if thats true and they planned this trick from the beginning (i mean that latter not just a call) than i cant even imagine how laughing they were :D
2013-03-12 09:49:02
Who knows, maybe it was someone who wanted to mock with zaithams brain.

He's only 15 afterall...
2013-03-12 20:02:05
than someone is evil genius
2013-03-12 21:50:27
wmb is so desperate "Just received info"
2013-03-12 12:35:26
I just say so to look important :D hope you didn't feel hurt.

Just received info that this all is a trick fucking zaihtaM up!

CY@
2013-03-12 17:46:34
so csgo not gonna be f2p?
2013-03-13 08:34:42
If he signed an NDA then he can be pretty fucked
2013-03-11 20:01:45
It is a dick move to leak private messages....
2013-03-11 20:02:13
Nothing was leaked, it's a private message he received
2013-03-11 20:39:32
Key word: private
2013-03-11 21:39:31
Still, it's his message, it was not leaked, if he wants to publish it there's no law issue to forbid him from doing it.

fiskoo is the one who lacked intelligence in sharing "confidential" stuff with a random guy in the internet
2013-03-11 21:53:53
if this is true no1 is gonna buy cs:go anymore till it becomes free2play :DD so i guess valve needs to hurry
ps i didn't understand why the manager of nip is saying u all the stuff..

Post edited 2013-03-11 20:03:32
2013-03-11 20:02:14
If they put CSGO f2p, game will be full of cheaters :/
2013-03-11 20:05:38
don't think so, also if u look at cs:go now,only private cheats works such as organner's cheats
2013-03-11 20:06:38
I mean like kids will create XXX accounts when they got VAC ban and still play with new one..
2013-03-11 20:10:03
idd,f2p is just retarded,at least make a IP ban or smth if you cheat
2013-03-11 20:50:09
I have read all the text but still I don't understand what's happened here? :/


Post edited 2013-03-11 20:10:25
2013-03-11 20:08:40
what's so ununderstandable here?
2013-03-11 23:49:42
lmao... after reading the whole text you don't understand? holy shit..
2013-03-13 05:30:23
At one point I do understand Fiskoo's behaviour, he told you something in trust and you backstabbed him just to boost your ego a little bit more. However, as an adult he shouldnt be bashing a little boy. So you both acted like a-holes if you ask me...

I'd also like to point out that Fiskoo is just a part a NiP, he called you as a private person and shared his private info with you. One man can't stand for an entire org, so instead of bashing the entire NiP org you should be bashing Fiskoo in person
2013-03-11 20:15:32
If it wasn't explained in the article properly, I didn't realise that it was anything major until he called me.
2013-03-11 20:19:17
btw why did he even have your number? xD
2013-03-12 01:36:08
exact my thought :D
2013-03-12 04:54:07
It's not hard to get anyone's number in Sweden.
2013-03-12 11:53:03
there's no responsability on his side atall...only fiskoo's
2013-03-11 20:21:26
agree with you in every point
2013-03-12 00:55:20
My little bro, I'm a lawyer, let me tell u a thing or two....U dont have anything to worry about. U didnt sign anything, and second of all, he's a 40 year old business man, a porfessional, he should know better...Sleep careless my friend. Its his mistake. Otherwise, he would never called u and threathened, he would simply file a report asap. He didnt...So no worries, he, himself knows he made a mistake.
Even better if he files a report, u might even get some money from it :D

P.S. If u need anything, just ask me, ill be happy to help u

Post edited 2013-03-11 20:18:25
2013-03-11 20:16:45
+1
2013-03-13 12:46:28
what an idiot if it's true..
big big business guys those nip people, hahahahaah. clowns.
2013-03-11 20:17:19
you suck, the whole f2p concept suck, and all who believe in it suck. fuck them
2013-03-11 20:49:14
"please let me know if I did anything illegal by revealing information"

No, you didn't.
Seriously, is he 12 years old or what? I really hope it's just a troll.

And if there really is a "in-house BETA" I hope all the people invited get cancer. I mean how the fuck could the game turn out that terrible if there was such a thing...



Post edited 2013-03-11 20:55:26
2013-03-11 20:54:58
You sir got trolled!
2013-03-11 21:08:02
ahHAHHAH get trolled!

go back to school u dumbass
2013-03-11 21:09:50
Well what do you do when you develop a shitty game and 1.6 still stands as the master?
You make the game f2p to get more players cause nobody want to buy the shitty game.

14 euro & 8 months later and the game still cant manover 1.6, now i understand why the game needs f2p.

/anti sauce-csgo noobs shield on.


2013-03-11 21:56:52
/anti sauce-csgo noobs shield on.
roflmao :D
2013-03-13 20:41:08
#47
and if the guy who called you is fiskoo and wasn't trolling gj Zaitham he deserves it for being so stupid lol , anyway F2P or not still shit :D
2013-03-11 21:58:00
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Fight vs HeatoN bro, facetoface. Ah huh...you got trolled.

Post edited 2013-03-11 22:07:17
2013-03-11 22:05:04
but what about the test? did you lost it? ):
2013-03-11 22:12:27
I cannot believe that this stuff is for real:-)
2013-03-11 22:20:41
you're in no fault at all bro :) but dont think you need to create a thread about it 98% of people couldn't care less.

<3
2013-03-11 22:35:09
i was going to buy csgo,but NOT ANYMORE:D
2013-03-11 22:36:28
hahaha me too
2013-03-11 22:46:38
Did not read the whole part but if he really threatened you by exposing his intention to file reports to the police by stating in the latter part of the conversation that he made a record and does not know as a 39-year old that this is not considered as evidence (as it is illegal) I'd not take him too seriously.
Fiskoo obviously is only a prick.
2013-03-11 22:38:18
I actually did some googling just recently, and it is actually legal in Sweden so he didn't do anything wrong there.

Post edited 2013-03-11 22:56:00
2013-03-11 22:55:55
Oh, right, my bad then, a prick nonetheless.
2013-03-11 23:59:53
In all seriousness, this is all a bit sad, and can spiral for both Valve and NiP. fiskoo's poor handling of the situation doesn't help, but before this episode with him on the phone, some damage was already done. NiP will probably start the PR spin machine soon.

Is it possible to remove the imgur uploads/links? At least then, it can be left to "speculation". It won't require you to edit your hltv posts, just remove it from the source. I believe you get supplied with image upload deletion links, so you can remove the images later. "Cat is out of the bag", but just thinking how to minimize the damage.

Post edited 2013-03-11 22:52:13
2013-03-11 22:45:41
why do you get so involved in useless shit with 15? don't you gotta study something?
2013-03-11 22:48:00
School is pretty easy for me so I have a lot of freetime :)
2013-03-11 22:59:18
dat luck :/
2013-03-11 23:10:36
how is school easy ? xD
2013-03-12 01:34:18
school in Sweden is really easy tbh.
2013-03-12 06:12:43
He's obviously a child-genius as he's 15 and writes pretty much perfect English lul
2013-03-12 08:02:43
must agree with "writes pretty much perfect English"
2013-03-12 09:58:46
lol what a knobhead
2013-03-11 22:50:46
Keep calm, he's just trolling you baby brotha =)
2013-03-11 23:03:19
attention seeking bellend.

"CS:GO F2P and NiP - a.k.a the MAFIA?"

grow the fuck up
2013-03-11 23:07:54
+ fucking 1, the NiP bashing here is so unnecessary.
2013-03-11 23:15:36
+1
2013-03-12 07:17:24
Trolling 101, I doubt that phone call was Fiskko to begin with.
2013-03-11 23:29:27
So what if he is 15? His mentally age is above than most of you who are blaming him. And he is at least forthright.
2013-03-11 23:32:14
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Post edited 2013-03-12 12:00:04
2013-03-12 11:58:46
#80

and it's true
2013-03-12 11:58:56
If CS:GO does end up f2p and this doesn't end up to be lies, I'm calling great marketing...
2013-03-11 23:50:15
If cs:go turns out to be f2p then everything else is true and I believe somehow on what zaihtam said
2013-03-12 12:03:26
Oh, hahaha, there's nothing they can do to you, don't worry.
2013-03-11 23:54:16
srsly, 15 years old going so srs n shit? Go play basketball, live dude. Srsly, there is time for beeing professional and other shit later in life :-)
2013-03-12 00:03:32
by: Schypher - HLTV.org
#168
Doesn't hurt to build a career early one.
2013-03-12 01:07:05
Well he can't be trusted now...
2013-03-12 03:42:56
leaking info career ? CIA mby xD
2013-03-12 13:24:46
what info did he leak? he isn't contracted to maintain silence on future plans for valve.
2013-03-12 13:58:21
by: Schypher - HLTV.org
#243
I was thinking in his casting.
2013-03-12 16:26:27
Damn son you're 15 and from Sweden and your English is extremely articulate.
2013-03-12 01:05:23
wait til he opens his mouth then you'll take that back instantly
2013-03-12 02:06:53
^
2013-03-12 02:55:36
hahahahaha

Swedes speak that badly? :o

Portuguese people are kind the opposite.
More mistakes in writing than in speaking.


Post edited 2013-03-12 12:07:42
2013-03-12 12:04:04
He's trolling zaithaM... what a badass he is.. hahahahaha. You must read wmb's comment by the other way around.

Ps: Not trolling by the english itself, by what he talks, got it ?

Post edited 2013-03-13 01:05:40
2013-03-13 01:05:15
Ohhh... okay :x

For a sec. I thought that he was serious :o
2013-03-13 12:02:08
Nahh don't take him serious, he's an idiot 4 sure.
2013-03-13 14:05:52
Lol this is nonsense. :D
Must be frustrating for fiskoo to get owned by a very intelligent 15 year old guy... :D

Don't worry about the police report ZaithaM. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb76AobIgcU

;)
2013-03-12 01:21:46
ass kisser alarm
2013-03-12 13:23:40
sure :)
2013-03-12 13:39:50
lol now will so much people wait till it's free to play
thanks for sharing information
2013-03-12 02:24:56
if csgo will be free to play.. they will have to improve the Anti cheat
2013-03-12 03:27:49
improve a lot
2013-03-12 12:09:40
by: dkf
#179
Seems legit.
2013-03-12 05:24:07
..in the project to convert GO to F2P

What Project? Does it even require one? An official declaration, and there it goes.. F4Everyone.

Secondly, I agree with wmb there. Seems someone's actually playing with you. (Just my postulation though).

P.S - Illegal? NO
2013-03-12 05:44:31
Of course it's a large project. It requires proper implementation, a model for them to earn money on it, etc.
2013-03-12 11:30:05
You really don't know what marketing is, do you ?
Doesn't require a single plan to do it, he just got prick by someone.

An official declaration about a title who is the worlds famous for competition and bingo! loads of money in pocket for valve. But loads of headache implementing a anti cheat and holding servers, which they don't really wanna do.
2013-03-13 01:08:41
the whole thing just makes no sense. honestly. sorry dude but i cannot believe any single word you said.

2013-03-12 06:02:55
The thing that is wrong here, is that a 15 year old has a medium like this, and can just tell his side of the story without factchecking or the other side of the story.

When you're 15 you can't oversee the concequenses.

Pretty bad of HLTV for giving this medium.

NiP maffia? seriously? this is just defamation.

Maybe the 4th year in law school from above can take a look on that.
2013-03-12 07:24:26
tell me batman..

wtf
2013-03-12 07:49:51
He is just trying to save his own skin.
He shouldnt have told you anything, but hey you should have some common sence and ask him if you could post or tell anyone else about that information you got from him.

And yes its legal to record a telephone call in Sweden, even in secret.
2013-03-12 08:25:40
"I've been treated pretty badly"

it's because your a retard.

thanks for the f2p info btw
2013-03-12 08:26:14
if you really didnt know that its secret information then dont worry. He can go to court but he will lose only money.

Trust me i am doctor, thats how the penal code works.

Post edited 2013-03-12 08:30:25
2013-03-12 08:28:46
My name is Lieutenant Columbo. I'm from the Los- Angeles Police.
2013-03-12 09:03:22
Rofl.. Idk why but i trust u, rly interesting what will happen with the game
2013-03-12 09:21:24
so that's what happen .
2013-03-12 09:59:47
fiskoo doesn't want you to reveal his identity so you don't reveal his fake nickname but his real identity and you think you did everything right about that ? WOW

Post edited 2013-03-12 10:13:06
2013-03-12 10:12:47
He obviously realised how stupid giving you this secret information was, and is probably just trying to pin the blame on you so that Valve will not think of him as an idiot. Eitherway, if this is true, he looks like a complete tool and this is a prime example of why gamers and business just don't go together lol. He would rather boost his ego to a 15 year old kid online, as opposed to witholding confidential information.

Oh and I'm pretty certain you did nothing illegal. Even if he said please don't release this data, you are in no way contracted to silence, this is an internet forum.

I also disagree strongly with free to play CS:GO. Hackers galore.

Post edited 2013-03-12 11:07:06
2013-03-12 11:02:25
Attention seeking kid

F2p nice!

Post edited 2013-03-12 11:12:59
2013-03-12 11:12:04
This guy have way better IQ than 90% of HLTVers, and he's only 15? Respect.
2013-03-12 11:29:06
98% of HLTVers, but on the other side, the IQ of HLTVers is generally that of a demented child.
2013-03-12 11:31:12
But when it comes to real speaking with mouth it's prolly like this: "I are potatoe liking horses much very good"
2013-03-12 11:41:58
+1

now stop repeating how smart he is just because he is good with (writing) words.

2013-03-12 12:40:14
my lil brother is 15 and he has 130 IQ,studies in the best highschool of the country, and he is not even close to be a nerd :)
2013-03-12 16:19:47
apparently you only share mother
2013-03-12 17:03:49
woah dat was harsh :X
2013-03-12 17:37:21
wow you sound butthurt
2013-03-13 06:04:19
somehow yes :(
2013-03-13 17:46:10
Like he has any prove that he was called by Fiskoo, omg u ppl are stupid...

What if I told you guys that SpawN called me and he is planning a comeback with Fisker,Potti, Ahl and HeatoN, are you gonna buy that rubbish?

Bitches please..
2013-03-12 13:16:14
there are a lot of cheaters when it is priced 14.99USD.
What will happens if it is free......
2013-03-12 13:32:26
Maybe Valve will focus on creating a real anticheat...
/not
2013-03-12 14:00:51
Look at it this way, if there is an NDA, he is the person who broke it, not you. He was trying to scare you into removing the image because he's probably shitting himself and worried he'll lose his job/get in trouble. So he's trying to cover his tracks.

You basically did some good journalism, nothing more.
2013-03-12 13:33:47
biggest question is

how did he get your phone number?
2013-03-12 13:49:07
If they both live in Sweden, probably over internet ;)
2013-03-12 15:18:35
if anything the leak would be his problem, if its in his employment contract and so on, you doing this might be used as evidence to show him in breach of his contract and they could bring private legal action too gain damages as a remedy.

The information is probably not even true nor is it your responsibility to report it to any authorities nor keep it secret.

I didn't read the majority but I read bits.(scan read)
2013-03-12 13:55:14
also this sounds far from legit... kinda hope it is legit though MEGA LOLS :D
2013-03-12 14:01:28
+1.
poor troll attempt imo
2013-03-13 14:23:01
1. no one can sue you over this. if anyone signed an NDA it was that fiskoo guy, and any problems regarding leaked information are his trouble, not yours.

2. relax, worst that can happen to you is a beating, but that would only happen if you actually left your house regularly

3. it's mad fun seeing you come up with the "but but i'm 15 and dumb why is he threatning me? :(((" at least 20 times in 2 paragraphs. you're not going to jail, your parents won't take your pc away over this, stop crying and playing the victim.

4. that title is ridiculous.

Post edited 2013-03-12 14:11:26
2013-03-12 14:08:44
seriously 15??? when i was 15 i was searching for my underwear
2013-03-12 14:55:34
Did you find them ?
2013-03-12 15:33:12
AHAHAHAHAH
2013-03-12 17:40:10
ahahaha :D
2013-03-13 10:08:57
I was searching for porn
2013-03-12 22:51:37
Will you ever give up trying to convince everyone on the internet your a massive fucking retard?
2013-03-12 15:06:59
pleeeeeeeaaaaaaase stop talking shit like F2P means Cheaters or I will vomit.

1. Compulsive cheaters use private hacks, they do not tend to get busted anyway.

2. One time cheaters are desperate people who get banned once, and never come back.

2. The game is already cheap, decent players will not suddenly fall into a cheating frenzy just because the game is free.

F2P does NOT lead automatically to an increase in the number of cheaters.

Just how ignorant people can get?

Please intelligent people back me up on this!

Post edited 2013-03-12 15:41:55
2013-03-12 15:40:28
More players = more cheaters
Same that happened with cs 1.6 non-steam
2013-03-12 21:37:52
Matchmaking will die instantly... everyone will have 10 smurf accounts to bash newbies...
2013-03-13 01:02:56
"Jag skulle bli glad om du inte..."

"I'd be happy if you didn't"

It's not a very strong arguement and you don't have to worry Mathias. But I think you should be more professional. I think you want to work with or atleast be involved in eSport and this isn't something that'll get you credits.
2013-03-12 15:41:51
fiskoo is just mad, because he has told some srsly sensitive information to a guy on the internet.
If he is really working with valve to make GO f2p, he will most likely have signed an NDA... that he broke... which Valve can sue him for. That's why he's mad.

Regards
2013-03-12 15:48:38
F2p will just bring in more idiots !

They could have changed the game instead. Regret spending 15$ on this crappy game.
2013-03-12 15:49:58
I think this will be a case for Horatio and Dr.Phill and later on fight it out together at Jerry Springer
2013-03-12 17:08:38
Well if all of this is true(which i kinda doubt, then Fiskoo is on the wrong side, he didn't had any permission to record the phone call. And hes the one who signed a contract at valve to keep things secretly so it wont reflect on you if he gives you classified information, because you didn't know. You can even lawsuit him because he started recording instantly without your permission, so that make him the fool. Although you shouldve hung up at that certain point anyway

Well I dont think you made up this story, but why would you if youre a 15-year old, and youre clearly more clever then other people on that age.

Would like to see a reaction of fiskoo anyway.
2013-03-12 17:47:37
by: MIRAA - HLTV.org
#265
As far as I know, EU laws state that it is strictly forbidden to record a phone call, the only apps that do that always let the other person on the line know that the call is being recorded before the call goes through. Unless, of course, that he was holding a normal sound recorder next to the phone.
2013-03-13 02:48:52
you can always record a phonecall - its not illegal. Its how you turn it to use afterwards that CAN make it illegal.

If its for private use / police reporting - theres nothing illegal in it - at all.

The only thing illegal is that the police are recording phonecalls without a piece of paper from the court ;-)
2013-03-13 05:03:16
It is illegal for normal citizens (fiskoo) he had no privileges to record it. Only way its legal is when the people who are participating to the conversation state that they gave permission for him to do. (So gave permission in any form). That's EU law, it could be different in Denmark tho.

Fiskoo had no permission to record in anyway because he didn't had the privileges to do it and he should have asked the guy straight away.

Its the same when you go in to a market or an other shop you'll agree that you'll be recorded by entering the shop because by entering you agree to their Terms etc.

zaihtaM had in this case no idea he was being recorded so when fiskoo told him at the 1/3 of the conversation he was recording, zaihtaM should have hung up.

So zaihtaM can lawsuit him for bugging without privileges.

Well just read after some research its allowed in Sweden to record someone, im not sure why, but all i know is that in most western countrys its forbidden.

Post edited 2013-03-13 15:44:23
2013-03-13 15:32:42
No its not - read what im writing again.

If its used for police matters, its ok .
2013-03-13 17:04:07
You said private use aswell, which definitively isn't allowed. In dutch law you may record if you have permission from Politie(dutch for police), who still need to ask for permission a so called Authorisation to Bug at the officer from Court. And im sure its in more country's like that aswell

Post edited 2013-03-13 18:08:21
2013-03-13 18:07:43
you can use it for PRIVATE use _IF_ they are ment to be given to the police. - You can also record to just have it, but you can never publish it , thats where it gets illegal.

Post edited 2013-03-13 18:18:39
2013-03-13 18:18:24
No you cant record it for private that's complete bullshit.

in the Dutch Constitution Article 13. It says Telephoneconversations and Telegraphs are inviolable. Except for cases determined by law or people who are authorized by law.(normal citizen like fiskoo aren't authorized, which he clearly wasn't because he was threatening to go to the police with it. )

Article 139a of the dutch panel law say:
People who infringe Article 13 of the Dutch Constitution can be punished by a maximum of 6 months jail. or a money-penalty in categorize 4.

Recording has nothing to do with using it for personal use. Its like a totally different law then making a photo in the public where you have to ask the people as well if they agree to use it for commercial use.

Gotta say its dutch law so its not allowed in here at all, don't know much about other laws in Europe but the Dutch is overall pretty equal with other country's.

But would like it if u talk in detail with proof then just saying "IM RIGHT".

Post edited 2013-03-13 19:16:47
2013-03-13 19:09:19
http://www.advokatfirmaet.dk/vaerd-at-vide-om-jura.. .

From the law, you can record conversations you are a part of, but not conversations your NOT a part of.
2013-03-19 02:19:04
Well i cant speak a word danish so would be nice if u translated a small part of it :P
2013-03-21 18:00:30
get your facts straight please, just like downloading games, recording phone calls without permission from the person you are speaking with is illegal.
2013-03-14 08:13:50
please shut up, im kinda tired listening to your bs :-) go suck a dick.

http://www.advokatfirmaet.dk/vaerd-at-vide-om-jura..
2013-03-19 02:19:24
I thought you are on cspromod boat. Or did that boat sink?

But anyway, classified or non-classified information, posting PRIVATE messages PUBLICLY is bad manners, no matter what it is written inside. Unless, you are professional e-sports journalist then it would be unprofessional to your company not to be first to release some "secret" that you had access to which would get your company/website trafic etc.

Post edited 2013-03-12 18:25:48
2013-03-12 18:15:55
he was probably trying to impress you, maybe he likes young boys i dont know xD.
2013-03-12 21:49:09
I`d prefer if you deleted this blog, because stomping on open wound isn`t going to improve anything. Might be too late already. :( fiskoo wouldn`t be so pushy if this was something minor/unimportant.

Post edited 2013-03-13 05:24:32
2013-03-13 05:23:30
tl;dr. If any should get sued it's fiskoo (he has probably signed something to keep his mouth shut).

ANYWAY if this is going F2P I just want my money back hah. What's so big news in it? Just more cheaters everywhere god dammit
2013-03-13 08:17:10
If this is true then you are not bound by any agreement so nothing to worry about, he was just trying to scare you into removing the information you revealed.(his mess not yours)
2013-03-13 08:21:31
il say best troll i read in months....
2013-03-13 08:56:19
IF CS:GO BECOMES F2P I WANT MY MONEY BACK!
2013-03-13 13:30:30
God help us!!! GO f2p
2013-03-13 14:44:16
Next on HLTV:

"Valve suxx give me back me money cyka noob"
2013-03-13 15:10:17
Basically for what i know, He cannot sue you in any shape of form, if you record a phone call you need to ask them for permission or atleast warn them you are doing this.

You could sue him for false accusations and get money for it, that's pretty much it.

And yeah 39 years old, and acts like that? I think NiP should re-think who they're hiering.

zaihtaM don't worry, he can't do anything, and won't, it's all bluff to see your reaction and just to frighten you a little bit. ;)


*And if Valve make cs:go f2p, they should think of giving the money back, i spent about 9euros on that game, and to turn it into a f2p wouldn't be fair to the people who bought it.

Post edited 2013-03-13 15:22:51
2013-03-13 15:19:22
i wouldnt be worried about getting sued if i were you. better watch out cuz if heaton catches you thats it. i'd be scared for the rest of my life
2013-03-13 16:29:46
Being muscled means nothing. Even tho i would be more scared of pasha.
2013-03-13 17:10:11
lol, HeatoN has 0 muscles, it's mostly fat for him.
2013-03-13 21:49:39
Oookay, after reading part of comments and your entire bolg I can think of 2 things:
1. wmb is my master, best troll ever
2. That guy from NiP Fiskoo, should think twice before he gives confident but not worth information to 15 year old person. You haven't signed ANYTHING to guarantee that you will keep that info as a secret, that phone call recording was a nasty move but legal. So, listen my dear 15 year old friend, it is a tip from 14 yeard old idiot, it's good that you shared you problem, even there are trolls and idiots we can help instead of doing something unworthy of time (example, playing CSGO). Just don't think of it as a serious threat but don't think that you can forget it like bad joke from a friend, mainly it's Fiskoo's fault, because of his childlike behaviour he leaked an important information between NiP and VALVe and gave it to "random 15 year old".

TL:DR
Not your fault, it is Fiskoo's, you are safe(I think).


Post edited 2013-03-13 18:08:33
2013-03-13 18:08:07
That's the biggest pile of fake bullshit I've ever read
LOL
2013-03-13 19:38:46
heard fish like mayonaise.
2013-03-13 20:04:54
zaihTam is not seen for 2 days so my first impression
1) either he told his parents about this incidence and they r boom about it. No more cs:go, no more casting, no more hltv.org infact no more internet just fucking focus on ur study
my 2nd thought
2) fiskoo came to see him, pointed the real ak47 towards his head and said kiddo u live if u no more post in hltv or u die
or maybe
3) heaton himself called him and those two agreed to settle down, heaton says no more hltv post in this regard
2013-03-14 05:16:06
Whaddup?
2013-03-14 11:14:22
Fuck, he's back, I thought the world had become a better place :(
2013-03-14 18:08:07
:(
2013-03-15 16:14:03
free version - over9000 cheaters, iniuria detected? pff... VAC so low
2013-03-14 06:15:22
You, my friend, are most likely getting trolled. However, if not, i don't think you are going to get sued.

There are no grounds for a lawsuit since you did not sign a non disclosure agreement. Furthermore, the message did not contain any kind of disclaimer, nor did it contain any information to indicate that the information shared was in any way classified.

The only thing you got was a friendly request, not to share the message out of respect for his fake nick. You did not agree to this and still met that request by redacting his nickname as you published the message.

Also, if they were to sue, you would be prosecuted as a minor and get off quite easy IF convicted. But no judge or Jury would convict.

If this is for real, and not a prank, the one at greatest risk of getting sued would be fiskoo. He is actually the one who shared classified information with an external party.

I'm out.

/J

Post edited 2013-03-14 18:48:28
2013-03-14 18:38:43
gotta +1 that
2013-03-16 11:01:36
+1 to that!
2013-03-19 20:44:10
so, you are +1ing my +1 ? cool
2013-03-19 21:31:50
Yeah, i'm such a nice guy!
2013-03-19 21:40:56
"15 years old"

Why this explains your inane blog posts and comments on various CS communities
2013-03-14 18:46:55
by: eHK
#309
I wanna meet this man, I wanna stick my finger in his butthole, and have his poo squish inside my fingers, like BLAYGT BLALHGTL BLAHGT! SQUISHY POO!!!

-eHK.
2013-03-15 15:10:22
ok

-mARVOLO
2013-03-21 16:50:00
You just went full zaitham
2013-03-16 09:27:51
holy shit, OP, you have to be the most annoying fucking thing in the CS community since Fodder. every comment I read from you makes me want to gouge my eyes out with an ice pick.
2013-03-20 03:14:06
justin bieber of cs.
2013-03-20 03:41:52
please do so.
2013-03-20 17:00:08
How do you sue someone who is a minor and who probably have no income?
2013-03-22 17:40:31
Valve can sue Fiskoo right? It was him who leaked the info, and zaihtam just spread the word.
2013-03-21 21:32:19
rolf
2013-03-22 20:50:35
are u fucking seriously ? This game is so fucking good and i mean source was never so good like csgo and css prize is : 19.99 and cs:go 13.99 euros. What the hell Valve stop with that... The Result will be more cheaters more fakeaccounts gg thanks valve for doing shit things like this
2013-03-24 09:10:23
Now its clear.
2013-08-14 18:00:47
There We are :D
2013-08-14 18:07:25

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