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Cheating issues, what to do?

Written by crZy | 2014-11-19 12:51
So i feel like i need to write a blog because i have a lot of stuff i want to come out with.

Lets start off with the smn cheating case, taking his stats into consideration, it was pretty obvious that the guy have been cheating for some time now, luckily for us, he had balls enough to admit he did it - on another note more players were "hang out" for cheating, especially in the professional scene, both LAN and online games.

So what does it take for you to cheat on lan? how do you do it - and what can we do to prevent it?

Since you just have to log in with your steam account, and the cheat is in the steamcloud / workshop - its pretty easy to not even have cheat in some sort of device "anymore" - i dont know much about how cheat works, but this is what i could figure out.
You get a private hack, it costs around 800Ä, by getting the private hack it makes you less viable for a VAC ban, because not many people are using this cheat , and its again "private".

After watching the video with olofM some time ago, coloN was like instantly "thats cheat" - and i just laughed at him, because it was so unreal for me that a professional player who dedicates his life to cs, is cheating in a very important lan match.
Though after doing a little bit of research about how cheat works in this game, this is cheat.
For people who dont know what video im talking about, this is the one fragbite.se/fragtv/v ideo/1952/olofm-vs-navi

You can clearly see that after olof shoots, his aim jumps straight at his head, i believe you can go in and do it on the same map, and try to see how many bullets it would take you to do the exact same thing, in 1 round - i can tell you that its almost impossible.
Could it be luck of a lifetime? I highly doubt it.

Another thing i want to point out in this blog is the players in question (this is information leaked by smn - i am only writing it in here);

pyth
olofmeister
krimz
rallen
KQLY
Kioshima
Apex
JW
Virtus.pro (dont know exactly which players from VP)
Several german players

What i think we can do to protect the majors from cheating cunts who qualifies online by cheating, thus earning their team +50.000$, its pretty simple - LAN qualifiers.

How to determine the LAN qualifier attendees? In almost every country, you have local events, on these events spots could be handed out to the next major qualifiers, another thing we can do, is creating a teams list from 2013/14 (LAN BASED ONLY) and make 32 team LAN qualifiers for the majors - inviting teams with the most earned points, and leaving maybe 4 slots open for "an online qualifier" - a qualifier partly held online to determine which team goes to the actual LAN qualifier.

Having over 500.000$ in stickers money, this should be farely easy to set up.

On LAN tournaments, we need PCs with brand new steam accounts, which means VALVe needs to be in on this, they need to be able to check the steamcloud/workshop of every player after every match - its alot of work, but if people are too dumb to not cheat, this is the way to do it.

PS. the last thing i want to see in this blog, is cLymeariver commenting with his brothers steam account. Keep it real guyZ
nice blog 8/10
2014-11-19 12:52:47
push
2014-11-20 10:12:56
So obvious
2014-11-19 12:57:28
yet no flusha on this list xddd
2015-11-03 20:02:02
pyth
olofmeister
krimz
rallen
KQLY
Kioshima
Apex
JW
Virtus.pro

Why are these players in question? Wtf is this shit? A hacking-witch hunt? Get a life you faggot.
2014-11-19 12:58:56
Because they were snitched out by the player that got caught.

Is this a witch hunt, or is this trying to secure a future in the game without cheats?

retard
2014-11-19 13:00:10
Until they get OW, VAC or even ESEA banned there is absolutely no reason to start calling names. smn is a salty cheating loser, who's mad because he was caught. He has no proof whatsoever and is calling out tier 1 players because he couldn't make it, even with hacks.

Just stop this nonsense.
2014-11-19 13:03:12
Stop being a HLTV troll, and stop posting in this blog if you dont know how to express yourself better than a 12 year old.

Why would a player crucify himself totally, for nothing? He already admitted he cheated, he have nothing to lose, nor to gain - his time on the scene is done.

2014-11-19 13:04:42
Okay, nothing about my post was childish. He didn't admit it straight away, he called ESEA out first. He only took his post down afterwards because he knew they didn't make a mistake. " he have nothing to lose, nor to gain" This is exactly it. He has nothing to gain, and being the cheater that he is, he wants to cheat other non-cheaters out of reward money. That said it is possible these players have cheated however it's highly unlikely given they play for tier 1 teams and have performed exceptionally well at both online and LAN tournaments and events.
2014-11-19 13:10:07
Why did he call ESEA out first? Because he is going to be sued by Alternate surely, and in his contract there must be some sort of penalty for that - so THAT was the only thing he had to gain, to try to be free from that.

To point out, this is mostly about preventing cheating cases to happen in the future , especially on lan, i cant confirm nor deny the informations put out about the players - i just highlighted them in the blog.
2014-11-19 13:13:21
If ATN wanted to sue him for cheating they could do it regardless of whether he called ESEA out or not.
2014-11-19 13:15:23
Sure they could, but they would need some kind of evidence to win in court :)

And since one of sigges (atn owner) friends is a lawyer, im pretty sure that a lawsuit will happen to smn very soon.
2014-11-19 13:23:24
What the fuck? Highly unlikely? Apparently you don't know about the competitive scene. I don't even know if it is worth explaining to you.
2014-11-19 20:06:22
To gain? He is probably just a troll. To start a drama, like he obviously has done, is what trolls like the most.

I mean come on, virtus.pro... Who the fuck should hack from their team?
KQLY and ApEx? Both of them haven't really played that good recently.
Kioshima? Stop yourself, he has been consistent for a while.
Pyth and Rallen? Okay, maybe, but where the fuck is KRNG and jOELZ if we count guys like these?
Olofmeister? Doubt it.
Krimz and JW? They have been stepping up for a while now, especially Krimz, but with all the finales, which both Krimz and JW has been at lately, I can't possibly see that they would be hacking. I agree it's fishy that JW sometimes only can drop a 5 bomb, or that Krimz has been stepping up from 4th best player in Fnatic to probably the best, but calling out players like them is just stupid.
He is obviously just a salty loser that doesn't like that he can't reach the same level as these guys, even with cheats. That's why he writes both suspicious and lan proven pro players, so that he can make even more drama. If he writes both lan proven players and suspicious players, a lot of people will think that even the lan proven players are hacking, since they are on the same list as the suspicious players. Although, I wouldn't really call Pyth that much of a suspicious player after all. The guy is inconsistent.

Edit: Yes, Olofs clip really does look like cheats, but maybe it's just one in a million? With just one clip, I would call it luck.

Post edited 2014-11-19 18:24:40
2014-11-19 18:22:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMKnEalbqvU

try watching the last frag (especially) with 0.25 speed.
2014-11-19 19:25:15
this is a 16-tick gotv demo lol

Post edited 2014-11-19 19:35:31
2014-11-19 19:34:41
not a demo, it is a stream cut from the match that was broadcasted from spec mode.
2014-11-19 19:37:29
still no proof. only a pov demo can say if he cheated or not. i don't think any of these players accused of cheating really do cheat. crzy is just a shitbag when it comes to cs-skill and now he is accusing other (obv. better) players of cheating because he didn't achieve anything in cs.
2014-11-19 19:42:30
idk, i'm not the one to judge anyway, but i saw this clip a while ago and heard sltv casters saying that it was pretty damn unreal, if u kno what i mean
2014-11-19 19:44:06
i absolutely agree with you, that it looks very strange. but a gotv demo or highlight from a spec is really not enough to judge. the only way to check it would be a pov demo. have you ever checked a matchmaking demo of yourself? just try it once. do some awping in the match and watch the gotv demo afterwards. you will be surprised how suspicous your shots are, especially the ones where you run around the corner to take a quick shot.
2014-11-19 19:50:37
you overrate my cs skills :D
2014-11-19 19:55:03
haha :D
2014-11-19 20:14:25
so, bro, you still think it's not hax? :D
2014-11-20 19:07:59
well, i guess i was wrong with kqly :D but still, gotv is not reliable when it comes to busting someone :D
2014-11-20 21:23:39
Read my conversation with Micron.

http://www.hltv.org/?pageid=18&threadid=677327..

We do need Valve to bring GOTV out of beta form. Also to implement demo features for catching cheaters.

Also we need a database of POV demos from every tournament. Maybe Valve can help with the servers or HLTV can do it.

Post edited 2014-11-19 20:52:52
2014-11-19 20:49:45
lol this is movie made from 16tick demo with other soundtrack from livestream,you moron
2014-11-20 23:46:43
oh, ok, so i guess kqly's vac ban is not legit also, it was just his brother playing
2014-11-20 23:49:45
my reply is not to say that he isn't cheating.... i've been wondering how's kukly plays online...its obvious that he's got vacation
2014-11-21 00:32:39
The new players to VP.

Just because you go to LANs doesn't mean shit. Also it doesn't mean just because you did well at some LANs you didn't cheat your way there. This "LAN proven" BS is very bad logic.

That clip of Olof shows what I suspected of this player when he plays online. That is not really possible to do by a human... I see him do it often online.

Post edited 2014-11-19 20:20:02
2014-11-19 20:07:47
I'm not saying they cheat but honestly, their performances don't mean shit. For all we know, GTR and f0rest have been cheating for years.
You can't judge with consistency and the like


Disclaimer: GTR and f0rest probably never cheated
2014-11-20 06:11:53
The majority of "in-the know" players can tell you factually that both (ESEA doesn't even count, even shitty pay2cheat sites can by-pass anti-cheats like that) VAC and Overwatch is easily avoided.

Inb4 alot of butthurt fans
2014-11-19 14:25:45
This - unfortunately :(
2014-11-19 15:42:39
You reckon there are a few big names that cheat, like... top tier players? Tbh, I always naively figured that only scrubs used that shit, lower tier etc.
2014-11-19 17:55:46
People like to cheat their way into a top team / contract, to win online prize money and to guarantee they make it to the LAN event. Now this is more rewarding than ever.
2014-11-19 20:59:08
Why is one of the most popular cheats (still not detected by Valve) advising people not to play on ESEA client?
2014-11-19 20:56:07
Because pay4cheat clients are shit 99% of the time. The actual good cheats are either coded specifically for people or are invite only.
2014-11-19 21:07:53
The question still remains unanswered.

There are (private) cheats that are still warning people to not play on ESEA client unless they are willing to risk getting caught.
2014-11-19 21:45:41
Do you personally know somebody who codes private cheats?

If not, you might want to end this conversation.
2014-11-19 22:05:11
Honestly. When I look at that list it is very similar... I mean, I would NOT be surprised to hear these names.
2014-11-19 20:04:19
before you list these players and say 'they were snitched'... you have to provide some evidence... this is stupid.

because some guy who got caught cheating by esea says they cheated they _must_ have cheated? why haven't they been banned by esea?



Post edited 2014-11-19 13:11:09
2014-11-19 13:09:09
Any evidence? Do you have any evidence that smn cheated besides he only told himself?

The player crucified himself, he had nothing to lose nor to win, he simply put out a few names which used the same hack, also on lan.
2014-11-19 13:10:39
he got caught by an anti-cheat? that is evidence in itself...

he didn't say prior to the ban that he was cheating.. how can you say he has 'balls enough to admit it' he cheated in a game and got caught by an anti-cheat and _then_ admitted to it
2014-11-19 13:13:05
Ok so lets take his case, smn gets banned by ESEA - from a pug game where he did around 61 kills.

The only thing he tried to do to show he was "innocent" was to post to ESEA, which then closed the ticket.

I can only think of 2 reasons , 1; ofcourse to deny deny deny , 2; to avoid a lawsuit in his ass.

Then he publicly writes on his facebook , that several players are cheating on lan:

http://puu.sh/cUOBq/2f39e8e801.jpg
"Better look exactly at the LAN games. There are many People who play international and do also cheat. It's not even hard to do. You don't even need to run a Program or something. You just need the Workshop and SteamCloud.""
2014-11-19 13:16:12
'big balls' would be when he found out about the hack, exposing it and not using it himself until he got caught.../

unless he was actively searching for a cheat to use.. then he's a fucking moron
2014-11-19 13:16:39
he doesnt have any big balls, it was a wrong word to use i guess :D for me he is a cunt, and people like him should just fuck off.

Though we need to secure stuff like this from happening, and if just 10% of the stuff smn saying is true, we surely have something to worry about.
2014-11-19 13:18:53
I don't know, but that ESEA ban seems like a pretty solid proof.
2014-11-19 13:14:10
im pretty sure it was demo related ? not by the client itself
2014-11-19 13:17:07
no it was automatic by the client, not a demo based review
2014-11-19 14:42:28
ESEA dont ban by demo
2014-11-19 16:28:11
alright!
2014-11-19 17:14:43
The client takes a "demo" and scans it for hacking behavior that a human cannot do perfectly/often/always. When this behavior is detected they can claim hacks even if the program itself wasn't detected (like VAC requires).
2014-11-19 21:06:30
stich - HLTV.org
#349
of course he has something to lose or win, he can try and immaturely burn bridges and ruin trust to project some of the anger he feels at getting caught

it's classic anger denial/mediation strategy, and I'm surprised you don't see that
2014-11-19 17:26:05
He is german.
Do you need any more evidence that he hacks at all ?
kappa
2014-11-20 12:53:48
dont you have an ESL ban???
2014-11-19 13:22:41
no ?

Post edited 2014-11-19 13:26:18
2014-11-19 13:24:46
+
2014-11-19 13:18:01
i think hes just crying because he is jealous that he couldnt reach their level or something
2014-11-19 13:55:54
He is definitely mad about how JW...
2014-11-19 21:08:11
#2. NJ, Sune.
2014-11-19 16:25:36
This is weird, lets say smn knows these guys cheat already and they probably know he does too, so when these players face each other in matches, it's may the best cheaters win? I sort of find that almost hard to believe.
2014-11-19 18:05:37
nice try. he just said that he never published a list with people who are using cheats. go on struxis fb page, there is a screenshot from the conversation. you have no proof, no screens, no chatlogs and you accuse fat better players than you of cheating. you are just bad, get over it and deinstall cs. bye
2014-11-19 22:03:25
yeah and i also talked to strux1 :P
2014-11-19 22:05:43
so ur saying olof is cheating? even tho he has been dominating both online and on lan for quite sometime now
2015-05-28 14:37:27
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2015-11-03 19:55:27
Oh come on.. who believes this shit he wrote.
2014-11-19 18:00:13
Why shouldn't players be investigated often or regularly? Especially with these $250,000 tournaments.
2014-11-19 21:13:44
Did u say something?
2014-11-20 19:32:47
virtus.pro is not a player u dumbafreeca420nos0ope Kappa
2014-11-20 23:13:50
because they cheat.
2015-10-25 18:31:19
Show me some proof.
2015-10-25 19:16:59
i don't think i really can believe him. i mean he said that the whole vp team cheated in katowice? how come nobody noticed it?

does he really have some proof or does he just think that these players are cheating?
2014-11-19 13:01:54
Dont hang me up on this, but i believe it was a little information provided by the one creating his hack, also created for the other guys.
2014-11-19 13:02:46
Maybe somebody should have checked their phones. lulz
2014-11-19 14:26:10
Then he needs to post chat logs / similar, otherwise it's groundless.
2014-11-19 15:43:58
good blog, you must be happy with this FAKE list?
2014-11-19 22:56:36
You clearly didnt understand what he wrote.
2014-11-21 13:08:53
anyways look like list is true #REKT
2014-11-21 13:32:07
Hard to say tbh. I hope its not but.. Just gotta wait and see whats volvos next move >.<
2014-11-26 08:01:34
How did he cheat on Lan?
How did emilio cheat on Lan?
2014-11-19 13:03:09
yes, but is this cheat that hard to find out? I mean that it would go unnoticed, on LAN, for every game for the whole team? Especially a team that made it all the way to the finals.

A lot of those players he named have been beasts on LAN in 1.6/Source. Was this cheat still existing then?

I just don't think those players he named are cheaters except maybe for a few of them. Most of them have been consistent, unlike emilio and smn for example.
2014-11-19 13:06:44
There were "a lot" of a talks concerning Kevin "kRYSTAL" Amend, from ALTERNATE.css, cheating at Copenhagen Games 2012.

In theory, let's say he did cheat, that could've been the same thing.
2014-11-19 16:33:06
neh all those smoke shots on mirage were legit, just like their 9-16th place at iseries couple months earlier :')
2014-11-19 19:47:30
Tuscan, just to clarify :)
2014-11-21 14:38:31
By not playing on stage, and by turning the cheat on and off during the game, depending on if there's anyone standing behind them or not.

It's not like you can cheat while playing in majors, where there are admins, press etc. standing behind the team all the time.

Most of this blog is total bullshit, and just an attempt from smn to turn the attention away from himself.
2014-11-19 13:08:21
why would he turn away the attention from himself dude, his time is over - he will never play in a team again, never.

2014-11-19 13:11:35
He can indeed play in a team. He can play ESEA in one year. He can play in ESL. He can even play in Valve tournaments since he wasn't VAC'd. There is nothing stopping him from being in a team.
2014-11-19 13:13:27
I cant mention 1 player who would play with him :)
2014-11-19 13:16:31
As if people care. Should I remind you how long it took Planetkey to kick cLy, even though he doesn't seem to get along with a lot of people? Come 2016, no one will give a slightest fuck about some ESEA ban.
2014-11-19 15:26:52
Amen to that.
2014-11-19 18:17:26
It's the blame game, the same bullcrap kids pulls of when get caught red handed by their parents. One of the first things you learn if you study psychology.

Stop spreading this pathetic slander.

2014-11-19 13:16:14
This is not anything about the blame game, do you see this case as emilio or cLy case? i dont.

2014-11-19 13:17:44
Of course they aren't, because they still claim to be innocent. Huge difference.

Even if he wouldn't have anything to win by spreading this, it's still just assertions without any fact or proof backing it up. So sit down and shut up until you can provide something more useful than citing a cheater.
2014-11-19 13:22:06
Why the fuck would i sit down?

Should i just sit and wait for the next case of a pro player to get caught? Are u retarded or something , or are you just trying to protect someone ?

He doesnt have anything to WIN no, and he certainly doesnt have anything to lose either.

I think there has been enough "sit down and relax" - people need to do something, NOW.
2014-11-19 13:26:59
You don't achieve anything by spreading rumors and slander without ANYTHING that's backing it up.

I wouldn't have anything against this blog post if it weren't that you are outing teams and players without any single fact than a bullshit observeration that's purely subjective.
2014-11-19 13:30:08
actually, i would say its pretty good that the rumours spread. lets say, some of the guys from that list cheat and since the rumours spread, everybody will be suspicious, everyone will suspect the others ones and so, everybody (atleast those from that list) will be 'scared' as fuck, so they wont cheat.. u know.. mindgames :P
2014-11-19 17:33:49
People said Emilo, CLY and SMN cheated before they got caught, but people said there is no proof so it's all BS. Then when they get caught by a program people still try to claim it's BS.

Post edited 2014-11-19 21:47:00
2014-11-19 21:42:38
Well, Maxaki was sitting 2 seats next to Emilio when he cheated at Copenhagen Games, for example.

That's a pretty big difference compared to posting a blog entry about a rumour, told by a cheater who heard it from a guy he played with.

But I get your point, of course. I think Lurppis handled it pretty good.
2014-11-19 21:51:04
ofc he can, just look at moE for example, he got ESEA banned, but is now playing in torqued with dazed and steel etc in the cevo league like its nothing.
2014-11-19 17:07:58
Really? Many pro players have been banned by Esea have come back to the scene after the ban was lifted, or just stuck to other leagues until the ban was lifted. It's not like a VAC ban, it's not taken nearly as seriously.
2014-11-19 21:52:16
Noone is standing behind these guys, only the team manager ffs. Watch majors again
2014-11-19 13:20:41
On the main stage their screens are even being recorded by crew and press. And when not playing on stage in majors there are most likely 20-100 people standing behind them and watching. I've been to DHW13 and Cologne and seen it myself.
2014-11-19 13:28:01
Main stage screens, my ass. There's no one behind your back except for your manager most of the time, and there's no way anyone from the crowd is going to detect an aimbot.
2014-11-19 15:30:44
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Post edited 2014-11-19 18:21:34
2014-11-19 18:21:01
Awesome man! What about audio cheats? What about aimbotting?
It'd be almost impossible to notice. You obviously didn't think it straight !
2014-11-19 15:51:17
and when a admin stand behind you, i would say they cant see the aimbot on there monitor!
we dont talk about wallhack dude, that would be to obv!
2014-11-19 16:35:08
xd any proof that vp was cheatin? get a life bro.
2014-11-19 13:22:52
Where did he say it? I still havent seen any screen not link of him saying that!
2014-11-19 17:02:21
because it was told to his "closest" friends.
2014-11-19 17:15:52
you mean you are his friend and he told it to you? fuck, im confused.
2014-11-19 17:19:36
no im not, i was in team with one who was in team with him for +2 years :)
2014-11-19 17:22:17
seems like a reliable source...
2014-11-19 20:00:17
im cheater?
2014-11-19 13:04:04
AHHAHAHAHAHA BEST REPLY EVER =))))))))))))



Post edited 2014-11-19 13:06:21
2014-11-19 13:06:15
shut up polish fag
2014-11-19 22:19:37
Any problem?
2014-11-20 20:11:44
I dont know which players from VP are in question, hence why i wrote the team, i was only informed "VirtusPro" - katowice.

2014-11-19 13:06:34
You obviously don't know anything. Why are you creating a post without any knowledge and/or anything backing up your/smn's statements?
2014-11-19 13:10:15
What about Gfinity, any insights on pashabiceps cheating?
2014-11-19 13:29:42
no idea . I dont know much more than what you guys know, i just wrote a blog about it!
2014-11-19 13:32:30
So you wrote a blog about things you have no idea about? Wow, you're even more retarded than I thought.
2014-11-19 13:35:44
Did you read the blog?

This is ofcourse something i have an idea about, i dont know which other players cheated on other lans, i posted what i researched about and got to know.

Now stop harassing this blog with your stupid comments, im actually trying to find a solution for cheating things to occur in the future.
2014-11-19 13:37:43
No, you're not trying to do anything, you just put random names to create some drama or to convince yourself that the people out there are no better than you at this game, I don't know what you are looking for.

There is literally nothing in this blog to take from, you flamed fxy0 because you thought he cheated, and now olofm?! olofm is cheating on LAN, that's what you are trying to say? Get the fuck out of here, you dumbfuck.
2014-11-19 13:40:11
I give up on you, hf!
2014-11-19 13:43:58
oh wow u are really stupid.
2014-11-19 16:02:37
+1.
2014-11-19 20:35:52
Is Emilio still on VACation?

Post edited 2014-11-19 21:57:34
2014-11-19 21:57:19
What you're doing here is immoral and stupid, and some day you'll probably realise that.
2014-11-19 18:48:59
hah so that's how Snax made his sneaky beaky against NIP
2014-11-19 17:22:14
You were informed by someone that was informed by someone that was informed....

You could be making this whole story up just to gain some attention.
2014-11-19 18:19:36
yeah let me get some attention for people to flame me! good idea
2014-11-19 18:20:00
People are weird.

There is no evidence at all that you have any contact so SMN.
2014-11-19 18:23:50
Well it's working!

step 1: write blog informing people of serious rumors
step 2: get into arguments with HLTV users
step 3: ????
step 4: profit!
2014-11-19 21:54:54
A nonamer trying to create drama, wouldn't be the first time.
2014-11-19 23:31:43
It's fine, at least now you can list a bunch of random names and claim they are cheating. No need for sources, people will still believe you.

Post edited 2014-11-19 13:08:25
2014-11-19 13:07:27
+1
2014-11-19 18:07:12
yes stop cheat please.
2014-11-19 13:08:22
xDDD
2014-11-19 13:17:37
snax was, so why not ?
2014-11-19 13:26:38
source?
2014-11-19 17:05:50
esl means nothing, they are retarded
2014-11-19 18:32:33
no, because that's was organner cheat got detected, all of them used it.
same goes for Hyper, he played a 2vs2 with Mr.ORGANNER
2014-11-19 19:26:45
LOL SLAPPED
2014-11-19 13:50:45
You play CS?
2014-11-19 15:45:07
hahaha yes byali you are chetor but fnatic and ldlc more cheater thats why you never beat them :(:(:(:(
2014-11-19 17:12:04
LOL you were the first person who came into my mind when I heard VP players were also involved. you and snax, no need to lie my friend, come to me and let's discuss about this.
2014-11-20 20:10:58
Where is ChrisJ in this topic.

Normally his name would've been all over already
2014-11-19 13:05:13
i'll give you a hint:

he's not cheating.
2014-11-19 14:56:51
he sucks on LAN so noone cares
2014-11-19 15:25:51
OnlineJ only cheat online and never on lan so nobody cares :(
2014-11-19 17:13:22
nie blog
2014-11-19 13:06:45
I honestly dont know what to make of this.. It is pretty obvious that preventing cheat in online gaming is as close to impossible as can be. There will always be someone thats a step ahead on bypassing security and anticheats. Why? Because of the money! Because the demand for cheat is high and people are willing to pay money each month for it to keep functioning. The anti-cheat providers will simply always be behind.

As long as there are money to gain from winning online competitions, without any rules/laws to prevent people from using cheats in order to win them - this problem won't be solved :-)

We need laws for this shit. How is it any different from fraud? If someone is caught cheating in a competition with prize money, dont just exclude them from the tournament. Throw the fucker to jail and give him/her a fine of 50% of the potential winnings he/she could've made from it.
2014-11-19 13:17:51
Since this is a competitive sport, I believe there are laws for this, but no one made a cause so far
2014-11-19 13:22:29
its hard to do so. its not like theres something like the FIFA for counterstrike.
2014-11-19 18:08:52
The organizations could sue them for breaking contract obligations.
2014-11-19 18:20:52
thats the question about evidence and if its enough that an AntiCheat caught you, however it does that.
2014-11-19 18:23:45
Well of course it would have been a "bust" with clear evidence but then i think it would be possible.
2014-11-19 18:24:50
but you've cheated too
2014-11-19 13:43:34
Nope I havent. But lately I've been thinking about doing it. Theres a lot of money to get from it, the fear of getting caught doesnt exist because theres no punishment. :)
2014-11-19 13:49:07
For me your statement is wrong because your only fear would be to lose everything from a day to another if you get cought your career is over.

You play a game because you like it especially for the competitive side of it and you would cheat because others do or to earn extra money ? it has nothing to do with being competitive anymore.
2014-11-19 14:23:43
Youre right. The fear of losing my "career" is a huge factor. Why would anyone risk it? Money? Fame?

I'd like to believe that people play this game, because they like the competitive part and to become better. Thats why I play. Im sad to say, that this is most likely VERY rare. People play to win. If they dont have the skills for it, they can buy it somewhere - and since theres no punishment and lots to gain from it, this wont change.

2014-11-19 14:42:47
And if you do get caught and your gaming carreer is over, no one in the outside world would give a fuck. You can just go ahead and get a 'real' job because there is no punishment as you said. :D So if you can't get on top of everyone and win a lot of money you might aswell cheat until you get caught, since that would make you a lot more money than sticking around playing like shit not winning anything.
2014-11-19 15:44:47
+1

though "sticking around, keeping on playing and not winning anything" sorta describes my whole "career"
2014-11-19 17:05:24
As long as you're not dying or in high debt and having fun I guess it's alright :D
2014-11-19 17:39:00
Time to make a deal with the Devil.
2014-11-19 22:08:01
you gained my sympathy there
2014-11-20 12:27:06
I totally agree with you ;)
2014-11-19 17:50:37
I am 100% sure, that ALOT more names will follow in this "pro" scene :D:D:D. My popcorn is ready!

About your post: I absolutely agree with your point. I have been playing this game for ALOT of years like the most of the players here and can tell that these names are NOT the only cheaters around here (even if these players didn't use cheats, I am sure others do cheat). I have never been a worldclass player and will probably never be a worldclass player but I do have enough knowledge about the game and the scene that its corrupt as fuck.

Take a look Valve, you guys are fucking up the scene, the sponsorships, the players and most of all...the FUN in this game!
2014-11-19 16:30:01
I really hope that comment was ment as a joke otherwise i just lost all the respect i have for you.
2014-11-19 17:34:16
Not a joke. An eye-opener. Anyone with the skills to compete in pro CS would be an idiot not to consider it. Especially after so many years of gaming, not reaching the absolute top - losing online tournaments and qualifications again and again to some idiotic cheating son of a..
2014-11-19 17:51:57
Hence why players use exploits to gain an advantage without using hacks. Exploits like the interp bug, sound settings, smokes, etc.
2014-11-19 22:10:59
Then you don't respect many of the players on teams currently.
2014-11-19 22:11:47
Nobody is ever going to jail for cheating in a game. That's a weird demand you want there.

Sportsmen doesn't even get to jail for doping. Everybody gets fined at most.
2014-11-19 19:29:23
The most ironic statement in HLT- no actually the internets history.
2014-11-19 19:45:51
Exactly. Nobody in sports goes to jail for cheating themselves to thousands and in cases billions of dollars. Its not a weird demand :-)
2014-11-19 20:07:53
Online cheating by players is an obvious thing that happens often.

However, this LAN cheating accusation is hard to believe. Then again, why wouldn't someone try to cheat at LAN with the current prize money as it is? At least to get out of groups safely. We know players used exploits regularly, so why not hacks?

Online qualifies are not acceptable when there isn't a good anti cheat being used during them. The competitive scene needs a better system.
2014-11-19 22:04:59
Its funny that you are suggesting that we should have laws against cheating even tho you were extremely busted back in clanbase.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh1EfnOJ2tE

Some of the most illogical plays i have ever seen.
2014-11-20 02:01:59
+1 colon, nice job mate, even though you are a retired cheater. nice to see you have come clean.
2014-11-20 20:13:19
Just to point out so people to missunderstand me, i dont know if just 10% of the stuff SMN is saying is true, but i feel like i needed to express myself cause this goes deeply on my mind.

This is not about making people look bad (okay maybe a little bit) but about preventing this from happening in any case in the future.

2014-11-19 13:20:42
Good blog, appreciate it
2014-11-19 13:23:23
thanks man!
2014-11-19 13:24:34
+1
2014-11-19 13:55:30
where did he even say that? source? On 99damage.de the statement reads that he says he's legit.
2014-11-19 14:21:34
If HLTV is the place where you want to put your mind at ease, you're in deep trouble.
2014-11-19 17:37:04
Where did smn post these names?

Virtus Pro and Apex being mentioned makes it very unbelievable for me.
2014-11-19 13:22:20
For me it would always be hard to believe that TaZ or Neo cheated, i mean, they are just as old as me .

I dont know if just 1 name or 10 names is true, but if just 1 of them is, and the thing about workshop/steamcloud - its just :(
2014-11-19 13:24:27
I'd say Neo and TaZ would never ruin their rep.. they are CS legends, all the way back from the 1.6 beginning. Can't say the same about pasha, he joined a bit later, but with the betting issues, and stuff like that i think he's hungry for money. Don't get me wrong, i love the guy, he's entertaining, he's a good player, but everytime i watch him play, his awp reflexes are shit, he doesn't hit much, and when I check match stats he always has a good K/D ratio. Also can't say about snax and byali, snax just seems like a very smart player, but their "transmission" to VP went very fast and smoothly. Before they joined they were some nonamers from a semi-pro polish team(don't even remember which), and since they joined VP they became fucking beasts. Maybe just the enviroment or the knowledge tought by older teammates? :-) We'll have to wait and see.
2014-11-19 13:33:51
cant agree more!

For me they were even my idols, im just frustrated about people getting caught from time to time and no one ever saying anything - only things coming out is "my brother used my steam acc"
2014-11-19 13:36:35
yea, pathetic excuses, that are very unlikely to be true. imo Neo was the best player in 1.6, combining his sick aim skills with his crazy movement.. truly great player. I hope for the best, that the money didn't ruin any of the oldschool legends, even the new players, but some are very more likely to cheat than others(JW for instance, got caught in 1.6, WRTT incident vs VP and NiP),.. Not saying anything, just that some are more suspicious than others..
2014-11-19 14:31:30
did JW get caught in 1.6? :) plz source on that :D
2014-11-19 20:00:55
JW never cought cheating.
2014-11-19 23:36:09
i saw a video on yt some time ago, hellslayerz jw cheat movie vs a random team(playnation or smth). imo it was pretty obvious that he was using wh.

cs 1.6 ofc

Post edited 2014-11-20 00:56:54
2014-11-20 00:56:43
Sooo the bust on him is your opinion?

Ok then...
2014-11-20 06:52:31
universal soldiers
2014-11-19 14:14:13
wayyyy back :D
2014-11-19 14:31:41
pasha is too stupid to even install new windows, how he could cheat on LAN?

About snax and byali. snax was always the best player outside godlen 5. byali had great aim and n obrain. He is still the same but because of good teammates he doesnt get backstabbed like in his previous team.

Post edited 2014-11-19 17:13:42
2014-11-19 17:12:06
His aiming abilities are not like people claim. At least not often.

Post edited 2014-11-19 23:04:01
2014-11-19 23:03:25
" but their "transmission" to VP went very fast and smoothly"

Do you actually follow the scene or you are just throwing random statement to look like you know your shit (which you obviously are not)?
2014-11-20 09:45:38
The reference to workshop/steam cloud was most interesting.
2014-11-19 15:49:48
still the question is where the hill did u come by these names? all i've seen is his 'a lot of other pros does it' statement, no names involved
2014-11-19 18:37:51
All of you are mad :P there might or might not be Somthing to some of the people. Stop Raging please.
2014-11-19 13:23:24
TWO lucky headshots and you're 100% accusing olofmesiter of hacking. The first one is pretty lucky, the second one I've seen done about 20 times in my time, with a p2k and USP - it's lucky, but not insanely.
I'm pretty shocked at your words used "this IS cheat" basically implying there isn't a chance that this was luck/skill or whatever. You do realise luck happens? A few weeks ago Pronax hit a burst fire triple HS with a glock on LAN, I can tell you that that is WAY WAY more lucky than two jumping USP headshots, one from 2 metre contact.
I don't really understand what the list is you posted, but if you're thinking that players such as ApeX, KrimZ and KQLY are hacking.
I agree with your points about scrapping online qualifiers, the initial part of the thread is retarded though.
2014-11-19 13:28:38
The second one you can do alot , agreed - can you do it in 1 round?
Its not about if its a LUCK shot or not, its about the the shot is fired, and the aim is reacting to his head so fast after the bullet is fired.

Sure it can be LUCK of a lifetime, as i also wrote, after doing some research about this cheat, i just dont think it is :/

This is my own personal opinion - i dont know if the stuff smn is saying is true, but i really believe some parts of it is.
2014-11-19 13:32:02
You don't really understand - I'm not saying anyone can pull off a shot like that anytime they want. It's not about if I can run into a mirage game and do it. It's the fact that it's not really irregular to happen, for instance if a guy sat in that spot every round, and every round I tried once to jumping HS him with a usp, I'd probably do it in a game or two yeah. How many times have you seen Olof do that shot? How many hours has Olof spent on CS?
With the stats some of these players have pulled out on LAN (ApeX mvp of ESL) Krimz like 3 successive events top player, and the organisations they are apart of, I highly doubt they're cheating. Luck happens..
As for the others I couldn't say, a lot of people claim JW cheated once, rallen and pyth I have no idea, never really watched them at LAN. JW's online performance vs LAN performance atm does look weird yeah, but just wait I suppose - most get caught eventually as we've seen over the last 3 months.
2014-11-19 13:37:33
Anyone can pull off those headshots if they try enough, but the way you killed them, would look differently.

For me it just looks as if as soon as the bullet is fired, the aim within 0.1s goes to his head therefor making a headshot - its just too fast to react, even with luck - at least for me.

I know, how much time they use on this, i use alot of time on the game myself, and they are without a doubt great players, but if the greatness comes from workshop/steamcloud, they can eat a little pile of poo, and i will gladly shit it out to them.
2014-11-19 13:40:37
Just looks like latency - I haven't played the game that much, but I have seen shots like that numerous times when the aim is working its way slower to were you're actually pointing it and you press m1 and hits the spot your aim was working its way towards.

So it has nothing to do with his reaction, since his reaction already started. If it were an 0.1 reaction it would be cheat since that is not humanly possible.

Post edited 2014-11-19 14:02:23
2014-11-19 14:00:42
It just looks like that because demos are 16tick, he probably aimed much before he shot but the 16tick just makes it look like he shot before he aimed.
2014-11-19 14:32:18
the aim within 0.1s goes to his head therefor making a headshot - its just too fast to react, even with luck - at least for me.

That's because it's a GOTV demo. That's pretty standard. Watch your own demos, or better yet, colon's (since he's an awper which means he does a lot of flickshots), you'll be surprised.
2014-11-19 15:37:04
just did basically the same clip u linked its just lucky nothing else looks dodgy but thats just how the game is just to bring up the point this smn guy hes grabbing the last piece of attention he can get with the worst attitude by snitching wouldnt lay so much trust in a german kiddo
2014-11-19 16:45:09
xd
2015-12-12 23:23:04
This is just stupid. To judge that you would need a pov demo and I doubt the clip in your op is from a pov demo.
It's most likely a gotv demo and we all know how fucked up they are.
2014-11-20 03:40:13
u jsut suck dick
2014-11-20 19:14:23
...add to all of that the sheer volume of games played by these players that can then be closely scutinised by others.

If you were to review all of your own LAN/MM/Scrim/(pub?) matches, I'm sure there would be as many examples others would claim 'IS cheat'.

2014-11-19 15:53:30
Now I must say it is hard to think that olofm cheats, and I wouldn't go as far to even consider it.

But for the sake of the argument "How many hours has Olof spent on CS?"

Let me assure you, olofmeister wouldn't use a single minute on practising something so irregular as jumping headshots, as far as Im concerned it is weird that he even is trying to get a jumping headshot with the usp, hence why it actually has made crzy, colon etc question this.

I also think it is important to consider the possibility of top tier players actually cheating, which is enlightened by this blog.
2014-11-19 16:08:38
I would never 100% say someone cheats (unless its clearly running around spinning shit) and I would never 100% say that someone isn't cheating, nothing is certain. What I pointed out is that in this article crzy says "this IS cheat" implying that it is and there's no way it was down to luck.
You don't really understand what I'm saying, I'm saying that because olof has spent 4k hours or whatever playing CSGO, every now and then he's going to pull off lucky shots in matches, luck shots happen, obviously. Olof obviously doesn't practice this, but you see a lot of players doing it, and it's bound to work out eventually isn't it? No one called KQLY hacking for doing the exact same vs Pasha.
As for "why" he went for a jumping hs: 1st shot he's trying to jump onto CT boxes to get a look over smoke, does a reaction shot and gets him, the second guy is sitting in gay spot, and rather than running around and risking engaging contact, he goes for the jump shot. It's lucky that they both hit, not impossible, but it most likely isn't hacking. As shown that this shit happens a lot @ LAN.
2014-11-19 16:26:06
Well, I was just pointing out what seems to be a flaw in your argumentation. Ofcourse it is very unlikely olofmeister is cheating, so we are on the same page here.

Let me repeat what you have written in every comment so far "You don't really understand what I'm saying". What is there not to understand? Do you think it is impossible for proplayers/semiproplayers to cheat? Because that's what I think alot of people in general are thinking, then it is great to be enlightened by views that doesn't necessary have to be correct, but they very well might be. "If you really understand what I'm saying".
2014-11-19 17:46:52
I just don't understand what you're saying is wrong with my argument, make it simple, tell me what you don't agree with, and I'll explain it happily for you. I never said no one isn't cheating, I thought I made that clear in my previous post.
2014-11-19 17:58:33
No need to make anything clear at all Mr. Lewis, I just think that your assumption that; if you play a lot (4k hours plus) it is more likely that you can do crazy action like olofmeister did in the video above, is wrong.

One could play a lifetime and never get two jumping headshots middistance with the usp.

Back to topic: I would never call out olofm as a cheater without hard evidence, but I welcome the opinions that is presented in this blog that semipro or proplayers might cheat. Thats it.



Post edited 2014-11-19 20:17:09
2014-11-19 20:15:43
Dude, all I said was that luck CAN HAPPEN, and the fact that Olof has played like 4000 hours of CS would "significantly" increase the chance that "every now and then" he'll pull off a lucky shot. I'm not saying more hours = more luck. Someone who played 1 hour could do it. But by the fundamentals of maths, the more you do something, the more likely it is that you will achieve it.
To make this simpler for you if you don't understand all that I just said. If you asked a new player who had played 100h total of CSGO if he had ever pulled off a jumping USP headshot and you asked a pro player, lets take Device if he'd done it, device is more LIKELY to have done it, because he spends much more time playing, practicing and therefore because he plays a lot more hours a day, and professional matches, it's more LIKELY that he's going to pull off lucky shots.
As for your last point, that's what I said in my initial or second post, I said I'm not 100% certain about anyone being legit, anyone can cheat for sure, but I doubt that olof, apex, kqly +++ cheat.

Post edited 2014-11-19 20:27:43
2014-11-19 20:26:01
Looking back I feel like I've complicated it wayyy too much. In short this is my argument.
-Olof plays hundreds of matches which are completely normal, he picks up 20 normal frags, he picks up 8 normal frags, whatever.
-In this particular game he lucked out - just like anyone does in matchmaking, casual games, professional games.
-I therefore questioned why crzy is jumping to the conclusion by saying "this IS cheat" just because for the first time in his life probably, olof hits two jumping USP headshots.
2014-11-19 20:38:10
And now we can see, that there actually are pros who use cheat. My god this is bad.
2014-11-20 19:29:56
I mean, Virtus.PRO players and KQLY bet on matches they know the outcome to without any moral qualms.
2014-11-19 13:32:31
KQLY has been highly suspected in the French scene both on source and on cs:go. I don't think he is cheating now though, this would be plain retarded.

This crZy guy is a frustrated babyadult, this blog does not make much sense whatsoever. Keep playing for your lower tier team that is myXMG or whatever low team you're playing for at the moment.
2014-11-19 13:33:25
he was never suspected on Source scene, because he was shit :)
2014-11-19 13:38:49
Rekt
2014-11-21 13:45:57
Fyi, smn made that list of a potential hackers, because he was using that kind of cheat, he knows how it works I guess.

Take that info as a reserve, who knows...
Same was when some of the german players were accusing smn for hacks, everybody was laughing at them, and look what happend.
2014-11-19 13:41:29
do u even saw JW on lan ? plz /ban blog
2014-11-19 13:35:17
Did u even read the blog ? plz /ban 3D_CAT
2014-11-19 13:35:57
yes he always kill ppl through the smoke and has some suspicious phase
2014-11-19 13:39:14
in the end we cant do shit about it. its valves turn and the turn of the anticheat providers but they wont do something until the community pressures them to, and to be able to do that the community has to be informed about shit like this. good blog and you have some balls for posting this with your real nick, but guess you never cared about what people say
2014-11-19 13:36:47
If customers stopped buying keys / skins, or paying Volvo via the market place until they developed a much higher quality of AC, they would soon get the message.

As customers we only have ourselves to blame.

Too many sheep...
2014-11-19 15:55:40
krimz and pyth were always dodgy for me, tho I would never say that I would ever suspect.
Now, there is something going on there. Krimz especially stepped up a lot, like smn in past few months.

So the question is, should we be suspicious towards players which were holding the lower part of the scoreboard for long time, and improved after a while and became top fraggers all of a sudden?

Anyway, I hope that those who were cheating(if they were doing that), would get scared enough to stop doing this.

New steam acc's on lan are crucial factor, and valve should do their part, since they don't givee a fck improving vac more than once in ongoing year.

Love the drama tho.
2014-11-19 13:38:23
krimz never had a role in the lower part of the scoreboard..he has always done his job, but lately he has been consistent on top doing very few mistakes. doesn't mean this guy is cheating haha. what a scandal it would be if olof, krimz and jw were busted with hacks. fnatic would literally be a joke

doubt it though!
2014-11-19 13:53:08
cs would never be the same
2014-11-19 14:05:54
the more cheaters getting caught, the better CS
2014-11-19 16:17:15
the more good English, the better English :D
2014-11-19 19:57:48
xD
2014-11-19 21:07:46
glad that smn bitch got caught, was 100% sure he was cheating for a couple of months now. From a nobrain to a good player in a couple of weeks.. something fishy was going on ;)
2014-11-19 13:39:08
so true :D
2014-11-19 13:41:00
VirtusPro, won katowice because of hack?
maybe now, we know why snax is always the best with sneaky/smoke move could be hack (and he got banned for cheat in 1.6).....
2014-11-19 13:40:05
I'm not saying they used this option but it was possible for all teams to take info from crowd.

There were many people with paper transparents, think about it, one was your friend and he was giving info where the bomb is going etc.
2014-11-19 13:54:10
Maybe you have to think why all players have these huge headsets when on stage? :) trust me it is not only because they cannot hear 'cause of the crowd.
2014-11-19 14:52:50
It's to prevent the voice from crowd, but I was saying about sign language/nonverbal messages, paper in the right hand enemy team goes B, in the left goes A etc.

These informations are enought to win some crucial rounds.

Post edited 2014-11-19 15:00:25
2014-11-19 14:59:09
Well honestly when you play on the stage or just a serious match you don't really care what is happening in the crowd. And yes, i agree that this could play a big role and not because the people will give hints, but because the support is tangible and is very crucial for these tournaments. For instance ESWC is a prime example of how crowd is important for the french teams. But when most of the other tournaments are in Scandinavia shouldn't we question these hints too?
2014-11-19 15:09:05
We should and it's a really important problem.

Teams should be:
- in sound proof boxes with clima
- using sound proof headphones
- they shouldn't see the crowd (auto-curtain)
- crowd should see players from screen cams + (auto-curtain)
- admins should log players pcs


Post edited 2014-11-19 15:19:36
2014-11-19 15:15:02
Sounds like something similar to Dota2/SC2 booths. If those games can have it, why shouldn't a game like CS:GO do.

Good idea! +1
2014-11-19 15:37:32
Sounds great but please count the CS:GO events and then the Dota2 events. If we are to have these settings every tournament should have a huge prize..and this is impossible.
2014-11-19 16:53:36
Why? Many CS tournaments overlap with other games.

Careful scheduling might allow for all of this, especially if there is recognition of the need for a universal standard.
2014-11-19 17:10:16
you are retarded, lighting is enough to make the crowd invisible, anyway crowd works for both teams so its fair
2014-11-19 17:25:49
lighting is enough to make the crowd invisible

What a retarded idea.
2014-11-19 21:50:25
yeah, cause korean organizers are retarded. get a brain micronn
2014-11-19 22:03:24
+1
2014-11-24 21:30:21
you see crowd as a blackness, you look all the time at bright monitor so when you switch your eyes to a dark place which is like 30m away you see shit. you must w8 a few minutes to see in the dark. get a brain onion. anyway we can say the same about nip, fnatic, ldlc and any other team.

Post edited 2014-11-19 17:24:11
2014-11-19 17:23:42
I do believe that olof and pyth were cheating cuz of some strange videos. Idk about others, sadly I can't say nowadays that I'm 100% sure about tier 1 players. They really can cheat with this 1000$ privat hack. We really don't know. Like lurppis said "It's time we stop relying on an honor system when there is no honor around". Even fifflaren said "I'm pretty sure many pro players are cheating"

I am very discouraged that such rumors floating all around. Rumors do not pop up by themselves like that. We will find out in the future if it's all true.
2014-11-19 13:42:53
so smn even cheated in lan ?
2014-11-19 13:47:54
im so confused so why im playing csgo if even in lan i will get hacked
2014-11-19 13:48:55
You'll find cheaters, not that many hackers though.
2014-11-19 13:59:51
gonna play lol. gg csgo
2014-11-19 13:49:08
If they wanted to make such a system as the point system you're talking about, it should be the individual players that received the points and not the team, because of all the changes we always see to teams and the lack of stable organizations.
2014-11-19 13:49:26
alternate organization should get ban for 2years in all major events i doubt that teammates didnt know that smn was cheating its impossible
2014-11-19 13:50:46
He was quite because he think it's a good idea to play good alone so maybe some other better team would pick him, you know.
2014-11-19 13:59:41
Could it be luck of a lifetime? I highly doubt it.

It's still possible because InaccuracyJump value on pistol is too low, Valve should increase it to prevent shooting in air like that.

Anyway this fragbite clip is from 16tick demo so you can't say it's 100% cheat and that it's 100% clean, that's why Valve should make this: http://www.hltv.org/?pageid=135&userid=185656&..

So it would be easier to check shooting behaviour.

On LAN tournaments, we need PCs with brand new steam accounts, which means VALVe needs to be in on this, they need to be able to check the steamcloud/workshop of every player after every match - its alot of work, but if people are too dumb to not cheat, this is the way to do it.

Valve is doing this for more than 10 years!
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?re..

If you do not have enough game licenses for all of your players, you may request free temporary Steam Tournament Accounts.

I don't know why prestige events don't use Valve temporary accounts.

Something more for admins in future events: http://www.hltv.org/?pageid=18&threadid=677942

I hope you read it.
2014-11-19 13:52:34
I think these valve temporary accounts are available for smaller events such as hmm Gfinity I suppose. For majors, Valve keeps in touch closely with organisers, which makes temporary account irrelevant. Valve temporary accounts are just way too old for majors. For tournaments such as ESL One, they just add each participant to specially created steam group and that's how they monitor everything. Instead of asking them to use their shitty accounts, they simplified this and now joining the group is enough which they are required to do. By using their own accounts (and joining the group) - this obviously enables them to also market some nice and expensive weapons because players are able to use their own inventory. Oh and usually for major tournaments, few Valve guys are in place for the event and they monitor everything as the tournament progresses, so they get extra support.
2014-11-19 14:19:26
Ahh I see so it's good from them.

Anyway they could still sync their skins etc. from main account to temporary accounts, would work too, but they will not be able to sync configs and maybe even cheats.
2014-11-19 14:23:55
stich - HLTV.org
#364
Only smart post in this thread and it has little replies of course :)
2014-11-19 17:31:19
Sadly yes :/ thanks for read.
2014-11-19 18:16:11
It is about time we take _serious_ action against these cheaters. Enough is enough.

VAC ban? ESL ban? ESEA ban? (Client bans) If you receive one of these, you should be booed the fuck out from all competitions for life, not like today, where you can just return a year later like nothing ever happened and with zero repercussions whatsoever.

As for other pro players cheating, I have about a handful of suspicions, but its nearly impossible to prove cheating today (unless they cheat blatantly obvious, like Team Jbree did last year in ESEA league.) outside of anti cheat clients detecting it.

Until smn receives a VAC ban we know for sure that the cheat(s) he used in ESEA is 100% functional outside of ESEA. It is naive to think that he is the only one using it..
2014-11-19 13:53:02
care to share your handful of suspicions?
2014-11-19 14:07:55
No I will not.
2014-11-19 22:06:48
ultra m8, most of jbree got banned AGAIN along with smn xD
2014-11-19 14:37:05
Wow, haha, thats news to me. How pathetic.
2014-11-19 22:05:41
I just cross my fingers, this can't be true. And if it is, I srsly hope valve, ESL, ESEA who ever that can detect this method throw every little cheating idiot under the bus.

Eg. https://twitter.com/webercsgo/status/5348564738816..

This better be a non true rumour!!
2014-11-19 13:55:05
I believe he is being sarcastic, but honestly nothing would surprise me at this point.
2014-11-19 13:57:20
Can you comment about it?
http://www.hltv.org/?pageid=18&threadid=677937..
2014-11-19 13:58:37
hahahah weber
2014-11-19 14:16:34
i knew that shit you were gonna fcking post something here
eyy fat cunt can you please stop talking shit to crzy
2014-11-19 21:40:02
i should have cheated to get ahead back in the 1.6 days.. everybody was cheating anyways :)
2014-11-19 13:56:34
good read
2014-11-19 14:00:26
Seriously, get a life. I despise people who try to destroy our good name, on the word of some cheater and mate who did it. On the side note : God dammit... whatever they gave me on Katowice, it feels like... like.. (voice is cracking) it didn't help :(
2014-11-19 14:06:41
timestamp or not real TaZ
2014-11-19 14:11:39
45k user sure is real TaZ


Kappa
2014-11-19 14:15:48
Cheater thing is bullsh*t, but you're throwing for skins tho, you owe me 2 asiimovs bro !
2014-11-19 14:30:55
seriously fuck off
2014-11-19 15:52:47
Its good to see that you've understood the point with the blog..
2014-11-19 17:28:44
I just want to curl up and cry and hope it all goes away......

;_;
2014-11-19 14:10:16
;_; hug me and let's curl up together
2014-11-19 14:22:40
<3 ;_;7
2014-11-19 14:26:50
I would love to see a LAN event small/big doesn't matter, where the player just sits down, changes the name on "Brand new LAN account", config up and start playing.
2014-11-19 14:11:49
how can you know if it was recorded with correct interp, did the player have latency issues and so on...? also, demos are 16 tick aren't they?

just consider these facts and get out a statement again. thanks.

also, it's not that hard to do a jumphs with usp...

Post edited 2014-11-19 14:15:29
2014-11-19 14:14:48
I don't know why some people are just saying : WOW IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO CHEAT ON LAN.

Seriously ? Did you ever made a lan ?

All people, admins etc are so NAIVE.

Plus, nowadays, for 250 000 / 500 000Ä, it's clear that some player can try to cheat... it's the same as every sport, every competition ...

For many players, playing cs:go is their LIFE now, as some cyclist, or for other sports ;)

So Yes, I guess, some can take the risk to ruin their "image" and "career" to win more and more money ...

It's not the first time that we have seen that in sport history, so why E-SPORT should be the exception ?

Stop being Naive, players CAN cheat, and "maybe" some are actually cheating in major events (yes we are talking about some silent aimbot, or something discret like that).

So Yes, maybe this event should implement an "anticheat" way on their lan, no matter how, they should start to hink about it ? :)

But if 99% of the community want to continue to blind theirself and say , OK IT'S LAN, HOW COULD YOU THINK SOMEONE CAN CHEAT ON LAN ? LOPLOLOLOL

There are people behind ? and ? a little silent aimbot that people descibed in this topic, do you really think people can see anything ?

I'm not sure about that...

Ok just telling some names sounds ridiculous, because we need proof to accuse someone, it's called "presumption of innocence". And those players have the right to being angry for seeing their names in a list like that, with no proof at all. (Some will find YOU crZy :p )

But well, we all can talk about that problem, and Valve / Major event (even small events ? ;D ) can think about a way to protect the futur of this game while money and investment are growing faster and faster ;)

For me, it's a good fact that a "known" player created this blog, and thanks for it crZy :)

Post edited 2014-11-19 14:18:28
2014-11-19 14:16:53
@crZy good read and nice Whistleblowing :-D
But i just cant believe all those names...

Well that would explain why every fuckin matchmaking there is some new acc with dodgy play... just load your cheat in the workshop ? dafuck... RIP in Peace CSGO
Kappa

Hopefuly ESL, ESEA and GabeN will take some serious research and those who cheated at LAN should get a lifetime ban from all e-Sports competitions....

Today is a big day, i think we will get to know some more shit in a few hours.

2014-11-19 14:26:38
lol
2014-11-19 15:22:40
Don't like this whole 'randomly naming players, maybe I get them right' situation, but the issue was raised and it will be looked at which is a good thing. And fair play to you pal because you will obviously get a lot of criticism, but the truth is that even though some of the things you mentioned were bullshit (VP thing?), the cheaters (if there are any) will be on alert mode and they won't be so confident with using cheats.
2014-11-19 14:27:45
how do you know that VP thing is bullshit?

"It's time we stop relying on an honor system when there is no honor around"
2014-11-19 14:40:03
Serious question which has been asked before:

Where exactly did he spill the beans about the players you have mentioned? I don't see any screenshot or post where these names got called by him. Any sources?
2014-11-19 14:29:09
he told his friend was smn's friend
2014-11-19 17:35:26
VirtusPro players hahahaha I think thats NEO !
2014-11-19 14:29:23
taz, It had to be taz, his stats were awesome at Katowice :P
2014-11-19 20:58:43
yea its so silly to suspect any of Vp player :-). but there comes 'crZy' xDDXDXDXDxdDXD with his "informationz"
2014-11-19 21:05:49
you can also add fxy0 to the mix :)
2014-11-19 14:33:21
What list?
2014-11-19 16:08:00
+1
2014-11-19 16:38:59
and villiG XD
2015-12-12 23:24:29
"taking his stats into consideration, it was pretty obvious that the guy have been cheating for some time now". i like how everybody is saying this and at the same time is defendig the rest of the pro players who are mentioned (not addressed to u crZy).

for the guys who are thinking it's impossible that these pros are cheating, u should just make the same assumption as in smn's case because there are plenty of pro's who had an enormous skillboost in the last months and most of u r just thinking:"oh hey, they are playing for vp,titan,fnatic etc; they have to be sick!"

Post edited 2014-11-19 14:34:36
2014-11-19 14:33:23
names!
2014-11-19 14:58:56
+1! deadly combo together with blind fanboyism
2014-11-19 15:20:16
+1, to name one is surely KRIMZ. A dude that has become the best player in the world after joining fnatic.
2014-11-19 22:47:13
He was always really good, but never had a good roll in his other teams. Holy people are so fucking retarded it's insane. Cheat on big LANS? Yeah suck my balls.
2014-11-20 03:30:57
you're retarded, both him and olof have been great for a long time

now they have the team to go far and they have
2014-11-20 03:47:45
He was far from this level in LGB
2014-11-20 19:56:41
good blog :)
2014-11-19 14:36:20
Dealing with proven cheaters is one thing but throwing random accusations is something completely different.

Therefore false accusations should also be dealt swiftly with. Accusing somebody without proof is causing harm to the player's name and reputation. You're endangering a players career with your ignorant posts that lack any arguments behind them.

It doesn't matter what you know but what you can prove. If you're not gonna prove anything better keep it to yourself or suffer the consequences of your own actions.
2014-11-19 14:38:15
No. We need some drama now. Cuz too many pro cheaters out there. Drama = investigations = bye bye cheaters.

"It's time we stop relying on an honor system when there is no honor around"


Post edited 2014-11-19 14:44:04
2014-11-19 14:43:32
Well, accusing people is the only thing we've got. Theres no real proof to be found anywhere except for when an anti-cheat catches somebody in the act (or years after as in valves case)
2014-11-19 15:01:51
Interesting blog and some solid arguments but i think it derailed pretty badly when you listed those players/teams there without any 'valid' reason.

Good [email protected] tho :))

Post edited 2014-11-19 14:39:32
2014-11-19 14:38:17
you forgot the whole nip naps that were clearly cheating before emilio got busted.
2014-11-19 14:45:27
+1 :)
2014-11-19 15:03:07
Um, I highly doubt olof is cheating there, I'm not even sure what you would call that because it wasn't aimbot nor was it recoil.

If you think that is cheating then you surely haven't played enough cs. The amount of absolutely random bullshit jumping flick 1 stray bullet headshot in this game is fucking ridiculous. It's the game that makes these stupid shots possible.

As for the rest of your comments I didn't care to read, cheating is an issue and valve need to implement a trojan based detection system, end of story.
2014-11-19 14:47:34
I just wanted to point out that just because smn was caught and will probably have a very hard time finding a good team again it's silly to suddenly assume he wouldn't lie about stuff like this to either just troll or in the hope of either getting/diverting attention. Of course it's also crazy to just flat out ignore it and say there's no way it's true, but jumping to conclusions, as for example in the clip you linked with olof, isn't the right thing to do. Yes that clip looks crazy, but in a lag-compensated and interpolated game you can't really conclude anything from how this demo-playback looks.
Even if you could, that clip isn't proof of anything. Yes, the first situation looks a bit weird with the movement when the shot goes off, but I don't have enough confidence in knowing how a mix of framerates, interpolation and lagcompensation (+other network stuff) can make a demo act.

As for being able to reproduce getting two jumpshots like this; the first one is pretty unlikely, but the second one really isn't all that bad. I think it should be, but it isn't.
2014-11-19 14:47:58
+1
2014-11-19 17:35:53
Your totally right - its probably one of the smartest comments ive read here.

The reason i highlighted this clip, was because after doing some research about how the cheat works, it looked very dodgy to me - yes the second kill is likely to happen often, but the first one is very very weird.
As i also wrote, it COULD be luck of a lifetime - it just looks too odd to me.

2014-11-20 11:30:05
How is it possible to cheat in LANs? Aren't pcs provided to the players and they only have to bring their keyboard/pad/mouse/headset? Sure they also have to load their configs and stuff but aren't all these things controlled?

If they bring an external device from home to load the configs, staff should check these devices for suspicious software.

All the things they do online should also be monitored, aren't all these things done yet?
2014-11-19 14:55:16
Admins are naive (or they allow a lot of TRUST as you want :p )

2014-11-19 14:57:17
well I understand that but we are talking about the pro scene, if the pro scene even cheats then I see no hope for a clean game anymore... it's just down right ridiculous.

Valve and tournament admins/staff need to toughen up on this matter.
2014-11-19 15:01:47
E-sports has NEVER been 'clean'...
2014-11-19 16:09:18
Have no idea at what degree the tournaments are rigged and such but at least they could make efforts to keep it cheat free...

Seeing these bans of pro players is really retarded. Is it really just to get the money? Otherwise I don't see any other reason for them to do it. Shame on them.
2014-11-19 17:24:20
i wouldnt consider smn a pro player

never heard of him before this honestly
2014-11-20 03:49:41
Not on all events.
2014-11-19 15:07:27
How ironic that you of all people write such a blog :D
2014-11-19 14:56:18
Okay so i'll explain you something,first polish players including rallen vp etc aren't probably cheating,there is a simply reason:800 Euro (as you said) are like 2k in sweden etc and they wouldn't spent their money like that.
About the list i can confirm you that JW was cheating and he is probably still cheating
Several German players:Yes many of them
Krimz: He probably isn't cheating even if he had an unusual very good lan
Pyth: I'm not even following this guy so...
olof: Okay so the 2 hs with usp while jumping,the first one if you look carefully you can see that his crosshair wasn't on the head of the enemy when he was shooting and the second is a little bit harder to understand but it's clear if you watch well
Kioshima: He isn't cheating for sure
Apex and KQLY : can't say anything about them because i didn't follow their matches
2014-11-19 14:59:57
funny that a guy like you from a **** country talking about germans :D
2014-11-19 15:03:17
And what's the problem?Germans have money to cheat ? And stop being stupid like now ;)
2014-11-19 15:12:17
Big O is cheaper for Polish semi-players.

I doubt jw is cheating, he is just CSGO boar, he had no life when CSGO was released.
2014-11-19 15:05:11
I dont think you have a life either since you could talk like that about someone you never ever met in real life.
2014-11-19 22:39:54
Glad we got that sorted out.
2014-11-19 15:06:18
ty for confirmation
2014-11-19 15:29:01
800 euro is like 3360 z&#322; which is higher than average salary(twice) in Poland, doubt that any semi even pro player would buy that expensive cheat in Poland without 100% succes from not going bannaed.

we're poor bois
2014-11-19 15:34:36
don't know about others, but i always suspected kqly.

he even looks like a cheetah
2014-11-19 15:05:00
go watch byali or snax on mirage on katowice
cant remember which maps, just some superhuman reactions and aim
2014-11-19 15:08:05
As far as lan cheating goes, how hard can it be to force administrator rights on the venue's equipment and in the bigger tournaments perhaps integrate intrusion detection systems?

Obviously byoc tournaments are out of the question as of right now. There's not much you can do.

Also, that list is ludicrous. Might as well start to assume that there's at least one cheater in ever pro team with that logic. Let alone trusting the word of a salty busted scum? I gotta admit though, that workshop method is pretty haunting.

Post edited 2014-11-19 15:19:39
2014-11-19 15:08:56
kinda cute this coming from marinen, I must admit.

*Even though it seems absurd, that he knows of cheaters. It does seem unlikely, if he got caught and neither of the "leaked" names have been banned, if using same/similar cheats.

Post edited 2014-11-19 15:14:10
2014-11-19 15:12:33
I really hope it's not true
2014-11-19 15:18:32
Well, the growing price pools are obviously a double edged sword. Money can change people a lot, especially if progaming is their only source of income. Many players have already lost their opportunity to study and complete their education at a reasonable age. The vision of upcoming future without a steady income (csgo wont be here forever) can be a strong motivation to accumulate money by winning tournaments.. by any means necessary.
2014-11-19 15:20:20
I just really hope this is not true. However, I don't understand why people are raging so hard about your blog :D
2014-11-19 15:25:52
oke i do agree with the fact that we need to secure a stable future for our lan events and even online however i do not agree with smn calling out people lacking any proof given. Until proof is shown and these people are caught by a anti cheat i will not take smn to seriously on calling them out however i do take his words regarding how easy it is to cheat serious as we have seen in the past that their are alot of ways around.
2014-11-19 15:27:12
everything can be possible after smn and emilio bans. It is really pathetic, that we cant believe to pro players anymore.
2014-11-19 15:30:43
I want to see a vac wave the day of DHW, would be awesome to see all these pros get to the group stages then have 4-5 players VACd in front of the whole crowd.
2014-11-19 15:37:24
Fifflarens opinion:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOCRFqBK5K8&li..
2014-11-19 15:40:16
Amazing blog crZy, we have to wait, just VALVE can do something now.
2014-11-19 15:43:12
BATISTUTA9 - HLTV.org
#228
Itsí getting ugly.. No doubt about it.

I personally know a private cheat developer and I paid him a visit in recent times. He showcased me his newest software and it wasnít good news to be honest.
He just released a new version of his LAN hack and there are a couple of factors which worried me.

The cheat was a simple 40kb exe file which needs to be run pre to entering csgo. It would open up CMD window and you would need to enter your subscription details to load the cheat. When done, the cmd would close down. From here there would be absolutely no trace that something was loaded into the game.
The cheat was designed to only have one function which was to increase your aiming with 10-15%

This means there was no menus, no panic button, no visuals or obvious esp´s, simply nothing!. Even playing with it, you would barely notice it. I would even say that if you didnít know you had it loaded, you basically would never even realize. The software was so well written that It was impossible to point out an irregularity in the aim even though I just witnessed him headshotting 30 bots.

The talk then moves on to detection and this is where it gets scary.. The author disclosed to me that the only way this cheat would ever get detected, would be if it was leaked to valve by the user base. To prevent this, the author never exceeds 30 users. This could in theory be 6 pro teams.

Going deeper into the detection talk, he briefly mentioned valves dns detection and basically laughed it off by implementing some pre/post dns flushing function. He also spoke about how the cheat only operated in memory/kernel, but at this point I was lost in the talk.. This cheat could be easily utilized at any LAN or on any stream.

With this I just want to say.. Expect the worst.. or you will be very disappointed sometime in the future

Yes I do know this developer in person, and no I will not disclose who it is or what its named. For the record, I donít know his client list.


Post edited 2014-11-19 15:55:51
2014-11-19 15:51:46
wow that is some high end stuff
2014-11-19 15:54:28
And this is not a BIG surprise ..

This is obvious, then the chase beginnnnnnnnnnn here we gooooooo :D
2014-11-19 16:02:50
well there is nothing to expect if its undetectable, is there?
2014-11-19 16:06:06
omg
2014-11-19 16:07:30
These type of cheats has been available since 1.6 so no surprise that they are even better made now that there is more money involved. But if everyone goes around thinking "That headshot was weird. you know, people can actually cheat on lan these days?!" the whole community will suffer from paranoia
2014-11-19 16:09:45
I already do .. even when I see Xizt play I think: "wow how did he know this!" but Xizt has just a realy good game sense, but some people might have not....
2014-11-19 20:01:11
They all have good game sense either way, or they wouldn't be where they are, even with cheating. It should be easy to spot someone cheating even if they have good game sense in the long run, but if they dont; well, then its very easy to spot
2014-11-20 06:53:31
lol not every pro' has good game sense :p
2014-11-20 15:20:14
depends what you consider pro, but the best teams in the world all has players who understand this game good. or else they really wouldn't be there. you can't aim your way up to the top, and certainly not stay there without good game sense

Post edited 2014-11-20 15:23:42
2014-11-20 15:22:29
this is why anticheatclients at high leagues (im talkin about esea invite etc, not for casual gamers or pugs) need to have full permission and accessability to your pc aswell to maybe be forced started as the first thing on your pc just like an antivirus. i think if youre in a league like esea invite, esl pro series or you want to play a qualifier for a major tournament you have to accept these circumstances for a better competitivity
2014-11-19 16:11:16
true
2014-11-19 20:01:30
I always think allowing access to your PC is a dicey subject, but when there are thousands of dollars on the line, it only makes sense.
2014-11-19 20:15:53
as long as they dont mine bitcoins out of my asshole cof cof esea , i agree
2014-11-19 21:10:21
Add to this the fact that the signature used to avoid the check system can be altered every single time i'ts loaded...

To people unfamiliar with just how bad the Volvo AC set up is, it's ridiculous to think that a 'pro' player would ever get VAC banned - ever.

Emilio must have been either short of cash or just dumb as fuck.
2014-11-19 16:13:47
emilio was dumb as fuck. He bought inuria which is a cheat with multiple detections lmao
2014-11-19 17:08:04
Was undected for some months , but yeh
2014-11-19 19:43:32
How do you think this make you look?

2014-11-19 16:28:51
are u stupid or?
2014-11-19 17:28:08
Stick to the topic at hand and instead of writing something childish then try to atleast act like your 21.

To answer your question: no.
2014-11-19 17:59:03
? It does reflect poorly on BATISTUTA for sure.
2014-11-19 18:17:05
Finland....
2014-11-20 23:19:58
niel is backkkkk
2014-11-19 16:30:42
Thank you for doing nothing about it.
2014-11-19 16:31:31
Fuck you for supporting cheats, you're an admin on HLTV, have some fucking dignity. Prick
2014-11-19 16:33:26
Dignity? HLTV?? Wait,wut???
2014-11-19 16:36:15
alex! - HLTV.org
#541
How is he supporting it?

He just openly told us what it does and how its activated..
2014-11-19 19:32:47
how is he supporting anything ?
2014-11-19 19:39:50
He's supporting it by knowing the identity of one of the people behind these cheats and doing fuck all about it due to a "gentleman's" agreement. He seems to regard him as a friend, which should really make you question his integrity. If it doesn't, you're in for a great surprise in the real world.
2014-11-19 20:32:06
alex! - HLTV.org
#611
Thats not 100% true, he just didnt explain himself correctly, read my reply at #523.
2014-11-19 20:36:23
why? the developer of the cheats is just a smart guy who wants to make money, he doesnt obligate you to buy hes product... and no i never used cheats and never will(i play since 1.6, and never cheated) and yes im stuck in the triangle of dmg - eagle and l. eagle m. but that doesnt affect me.. NiP became the best without cheating and many other ppl.

Post edited 2014-11-19 21:02:12
2014-11-19 20:58:34
You are beyond stupid.
2014-11-19 21:11:09
True

Post edited 2014-11-19 21:35:56
2014-11-19 21:34:07
And not a single argument was given.
2014-11-21 18:08:47
Not quite sure what you're aiming to achieve with that comment old chap, would you like to elaborate?
2014-11-22 02:10:38
You're supposed to elaborate on your comment, my young Padawan.

Post edited 2014-11-24 21:22:19
2014-11-24 21:19:31
1) His source may have personal information on him, personal information which in the wrong hands may harm him in various ways, or just information he doesn't want leaked.

2) His source may be a close personal friend.

3) Maybe he doesn't give enough fucks to piss somebody off who can potentially do some damage, thus keeping his source close to him.

It's known that having "sources" in most forms of media circles is regarded as having certain agreements to knowledge obtained from them, this is no different.
2014-11-24 21:35:07
If he had significant shit on him, he most probably wouldn't have said a word to begin with, with or without names.

Yes, and exactly how does that not put a question mark on his integrity as an HLTV.org admin?

I don't really care how praiseworthy the developer's achievements are, just as I couldn't care less whether a serial killer is a mathematical genius or not.

You see?

I can make ludicrous comparisons too, like you did in your last paragraph.
2014-11-24 21:58:55
RIP csgo community. Admins supporting cheaters. GG WP
2014-11-19 16:43:59
:DD
2014-11-19 22:10:59
O_O i don't even know if i want to play csgo anymore, it's pointless.
2014-11-19 16:50:32
It means this "cheat" was working in FULL STEALTH MODE?
No drivers, no kernel load etc.? So you couldn't find it in Lasso or Autoruns or even regedit?

When yes even log softwares would do nothing, so it's impossible for admins to find it.

Interesting comment, I would like to see it in your blog :)
2014-11-19 16:50:43
Intresting comment? This guy jsut said: "Yes I do know this developer in person, and no I will not disclose who it is or what its named"

Yeah very intresting comment. It's so helpful.
2014-11-19 16:55:31
Details, details...
2014-11-19 16:56:22
i dont really care who programmed it, when I know that it exsists. yes, this is VERY helpful in fact.

Post edited 2014-11-19 19:25:15
2014-11-19 19:24:58
haha
2014-11-19 20:59:42
If what you're saying is true you should really out this person you may or may not know.
This sort of stuff is really ruining the scene and will damage CS forever in the long run unless it's sorted out ASAP.

Especially when there's big money prizes on the table people will do what they can to win it.

You're definitly an accomplice as of now.

Do the right thing...
2014-11-19 16:55:49
He paid him a visit. How sad his life needed to be for that? So stop with that "Do the right thing" bs. It doesn't work in cs community anymore.

Like lurppis said "It's time we stop relying on an honor system when there is no honor around".
2014-11-19 16:59:57
alex! - HLTV.org
#539
Read my reply at #523

By your logic, are we all accomplices because we know it exists but do nothing about it?
2014-11-19 19:31:45
I ment that if he knows this person he should do whatever he can do, either get him to stop or tell Valve about the program in general.

Give them a heads up so they get to do something about it. I know what this 'friend' is doing isn't illegal but it's morally wrong. And I hope the both of you agree with this.

I wrote my first message in a fit of rage and I thoroughly apologise about it.

Cheating is such a serious topic in this sport and I think that if you can do ANYTHING about it no matter how much of a difference that is, wheter it's a huge help or just a hint or whatever. He/she should do it.
2014-11-19 20:27:01
alex! - HLTV.org
#609
You think he will stop if batistuta tells him to? Probably not. Tell Valve? If only it was that easy.

Yes, what his friend is doing is wrong, and batistuta obviously thinks the same.

Obviously all of us wants cheaters gone, but it is such a hard thing to tackle, because it will never be 100% gone.
2014-11-19 20:34:42
You guys are on such fucking deep water defending the identity of someone creating cheats for the game people who pay your fucking sallary plays.

Both of you lost all my respect and I've been around this forum longer than most of you admins.
2014-11-21 00:09:00
alex! - HLTV.org
#920
I'm not defending anyone, i can just look at it logically.

Tell me exactly what he should do? What can he do that will make this so much better?
2014-11-21 00:18:16
You look at what logically? Your friend and colleague defending the identity of someone who creats cheats for CS:GO?

How is that helping at all? Why should he respects his identity? In what way is doing that logical?

I'll tell you, in no fucking way. Even if he's one of a thousand to makes cheats, calling him out would still help.
2014-11-21 00:22:10
alex! - HLTV.org
#922
And having his name out there would serve what purpose exactly?
2014-11-21 00:23:12
"The author disclosed to me that the only way this cheat would ever get detected, would be if it was leaked to valve by the user base. To prevent this, the author never exceeds 30 users. This could in theory be 6 pro teams."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_of_mouth
2014-11-21 00:25:37
alex! - HLTV.org
#924
So you're saying if he put his name out there, the 30 people would all randomly leak the cheat to Valve?

Or am I missing your point?
2014-11-21 00:27:18
I guess you are since it means that if one of those 30 people decide to come clean, or even better, someone who chases these fuckers down (like wmb) get into that group he's done for.

Knowing who he or she is would definately be better than not.

EDIT: Also, you guys are admins for the largest CS:GO community, there should be no question to your decision to leak his/her name. Take every chance you can to get rid of these people.

Anwyay, I'm done with this. This is going to put CS:GO a huge step backwards.

Post edited 2014-11-21 00:32:24
2014-11-21 00:30:42
alex! - HLTV.org
#927
Yes, getting one of those 30 people to come "clean" would be ideal, but there is no way that its going to happen. Although this has nothing to do with the name of the one who created the cheat. If we got his name and kindly asked him who these 30 people were, do you think he would gladly give them to you? Or do you think a simple "I dont know what you are talking about" will be the answer?

Having his name is literally 0 help, because im sure he's not some stupid 14 year old.
2014-11-21 00:34:35
BATISTUTA9 - HLTV.org
#322
-A general comment to all the reply´s claiming that Iím supporting cheaters and this make me look bad.


First of all Iím a successful web developer myself and have been in the field since I was merely a kid. I make a living of this today.. Because of this I can differentiate between professional work and my own personal feelings. I have respect for his skills as a software engineer and his accomplishments in regards of the product he has produced. With that said, it obviously makes me extremely sad to see, know and experience. No question about it! Iíve been playing this game for the greater part of my life, I would never support cheating or cheat myself. This would be completely out of question.

My contact to him is purely personal and or in interest of information such as the one given in my earlier post. Know your enemies better than your friends. Right?

Spilling his name is not going to happen. This would simply change absolutely nothing, he is merely a drop in the ocean. The problem does not lay within the individual software developer, itís to be found in the system and the possibilities thatís surrounding our competitive environment.

You are all entitled to your opinion, but i hope this would clarify for some of you.
2014-11-19 17:11:07
The problem is not the system. There's allways gonna be ways to cheat the system. Just like every anti-virus system will allways be behind.

The problem is the attitude of people like yourself giving social acceptance of people behind the cheat systems.

The best anti-cheat is people and society not accepting anything that has to do with cheating, both users and creators.
2014-11-19 18:02:11
BATISTUTA9 - HLTV.org
#514
You have it the wrong way around. We will never fix the need and urge in human psychology to cheat. This is a simple matter of supply and demand. Individuals in this case are basically irrelevant.

There are ways in which you could prepare a completely secure platform/system. It would simply be a matter of money and determination.

On another note. Both you and i know that the social acceptance of cheaters have changed over the years. I do remember how people were crucified back in the days like e.g turkizH.

Today we have vac banned players entering leagues like nothing ever happened. The magnitude and high occurrence rate of busted players means we automatically learn to accept and forget a lot easier.
2014-11-19 18:57:19
Thinking about it I guess you're right. You dont support it and there's nothing you can do about it anyway I guess. My comment is just an outcry of the social acceptance of cheating sadly has changed in for the worse.
2014-11-19 20:30:17
BATISTUTA9 - HLTV.org
#613
Props for writing such reply.. Something you rarely see these days.
2014-11-19 20:37:56
lol man you must be living in some unicorn country
2014-11-19 19:50:35
sure Denmark :D nah just kidding read #604
2014-11-19 20:32:59
there's absolutely nothing BATISTUTA(or anyone else) can do about it, really.
especially if tournament organizers overlook the facts presented beforehand(like PLAYER A from TEAM X is vac banned, and still allowed to take part in online/offline qualifiers).

also, this is an incredible well written piece of software (the one batistuta describes), and it's virtually undetectable, unless someone from valve gets their hands on it, or someone using it gives it away for debugging.
2014-11-19 20:14:09
Just can't agree with those logics of yours. Its like discarding any sense of respect for the game simply because there is a personal interest. (though it seems more like a professional interest and not a personal...?).

If everyone leaned back and thought that exposing a cheat developer wouldn't help, we would never get anywhere, just like the current situation. There is also the opportunity/possibility of you having obtained the cheat and passed it along to people who works on anti-cheat, but of course that is wasted now.
If your friend can create a program like that, others can do it aswell. There might be hundreds or even thousands using a cheat template based on the same type of coding, and not just 30.

This would be like knowing that one of your friends made a new type of performance enhancing drug and you were aware that he sold it, but your interest in medicine, because "you" worked as a pharmacist, then you wouldn't react.

Post edited 2014-11-19 18:31:05
2014-11-19 18:22:30
"I know a child molester in my line of work but I can differentiate between professional work and my own personal feelings... Spilling his name is not going to happen... he is merely a drop in the ocean."

Nice logic brah.
2014-11-19 18:45:12
alex! - HLTV.org
#523
You know about the site organner right? Why dont you do anything about it?

This is basically the same thing, there is nothing batistuta can do. Creating a cheat is not illegal, its nothing the creator can be fined with. Getting the client list? There is no way that he is going to give it out. Calling out his name? No problem, will just create a new alias on the internet.

As you can see there is no difference between this guy and organner (which we ALL know about), its just that private cheats are way better and is way more exclusive.

Post edited 2014-11-19 19:18:11
2014-11-19 19:15:43
He could just let know to tournament admins to be more careful?
2014-11-19 22:57:38
alex! - HLTV.org
#716
I think his post + lurppis' article has achieved that :)
2014-11-19 22:58:30
Worst comment I've ever seen.
2014-11-19 21:11:45
By this logic the guy at work who stole 10 bucks from me today might as well have raped me as a young child.
Where ya from?
2014-11-19 23:19:21
+
2014-11-19 23:45:03
It seems like you know him well and that you don't want to give out his information because you would lose him as a friend. I mean, I know the system is fucked and all, but that really doesn't justify this in any way. One less of these guys, the better.

Have you tried to talk him out of it, or is he just doing it for the money and don't give a shit? I could imagine that a coder like this can earn a shit-ton of cash, much more compared to the people that are actually working on VAC. Quite depressing to think about it.
2014-11-19 18:49:13
He'd just create a new alias and do it all over again.
2014-11-20 21:23:37
stich - HLTV.org
#516
As people have said, your defensive logic is weak, the cat is out of the bag and now you're trying to cover it by blaming the entire system and talking about your own righteousness.

You know who did the exact same thing? Nazis who were complicit in the Holocaust in the Nuremberg trials. The human brain is really amazing in that it will create pitfalls, cliffs, and mountains of lies to avoid blaming oneself for one's own lack of moral integrity.

You're just some nerdy admin from HLTV of course, and most players who secretly cheat are also likely weak wallflowers who never had to try and be decent people in a cruel world, but cowered in their bedrooms while others supported them, but I think the only way to start changing is to stop lying to ourselves.

If what you say is true, good on you for outing the cheat. But don't have the selfish nerve to lie to yourself about your inaction. Unless of course you say that you won't out him but secret steps are being taken behind the scenes. That would be a different matter.
2014-11-19 18:57:42
alex! - HLTV.org
#538
Read my reply at #523
2014-11-19 19:30:45
stich - HLTV.org
#590
Good reply, in fact I completely agree.

Batistuta went the wrong route with his defense however and turned it into this weird "I am a developer, I understand/it's a personal relationship" argument that definitely made it seem like he was forgiving this guy.

Pretty much bad PR on a thread on a video game forum haha.
2014-11-19 20:08:07
Ethnicity is not a personal feeling and is a professional work in all fields. It is never easy to uphold this principle.
2014-11-19 19:49:41
Respect for a guy that is basically cancer for the community and the game itself? His hands should be cut off srs.
And by your description this cheat could be used by pro players only (no point for others to use it), then how is it a drop in the sea?
Maybe if this case was investigated properly it would actually help the AC developers and the tournament organizers to control it somehow, or at least make the right moves in that direction
2014-11-20 09:43:21
What does it mean that your aim is improved by 10-15%, that the recoil is reduced or every 10-15% shot hits in the leg if otherwise missed or what?

I mean, from the server side you can always make anti-cheats to detect inconsistensies but if valve TRULY want´s to come up with a remarkable solution, they just need to remove bullet spread and go more back to 1.6 style gameplay. With this even the very good players don´t necessarily lose to cheaters unless the cheats are very strong and thus more detectable.

Furthermore, if bulletspread were not random but instead had exact ways of acting, which still could make bulletspreads random, aimbot and recoil cheats would be detectable. I mean surely if valve uses complete random intengers for weapon recoil/bulletspread values then it´s easy to hide cheat in those codes as the computations would look exactly the same unless the conditions are fixed.
2014-11-19 17:38:32
BATISTUTA9 - HLTV.org
#400
This topic was only briefly discussed, and i'm not quite sure if i understood it correctly.

The software is basically designed to fail, so to say. There are many randomness values programmed into it.. So e.g Out of 30 rounds, it would maybe only run for 15 of them. This could also be calculated on time, so that it would be on 50% out of 100% game time, which means it could turn on and off in between frag sessions in the same round of play.

This aimbot would not make a silver to global.. It would take a professional to make full use of it.

I believe that you would need to do almost all the aiming, but it would simply move the aim a few optimized 0.1mm with ease in/ease out.

All values of course randomly integrated per. use, so that the ease could be stricter as snapping or less and flowing.

But as said, it was only briefly discussed, i'm not 100% sure on it.
2014-11-19 17:51:48
so olof insane shot when jumping with usp against navi could be in real cheats.
2014-11-19 18:50:19
LOL
2014-11-19 20:58:09
What does it mean that your aim is improved by 10-15%, that the recoil is reduced or every 10-15% shot hits in the leg if otherwise missed or what?


Means reduced inaccuracy values, while running or jumping etc.
2014-11-19 18:21:21
damn :o
2014-11-19 19:08:07
omg
2014-11-19 19:16:06
Thanks for the insight. It doesn't surprise me that cheating has evolved to this level (and apparently beyond) as it essentially is a hack of the system. So basically this guy's skills are better than Valve's guys. Aside from what's wrong with this picture, Valve should be looking for talent from the other side of the fence. It isn't uncommon for a known hacker (or cheat developer in this case) to be hired on as a "consultant" for companies to shore up their software systems.
2014-11-19 19:34:13
They already do hire/try to hire cheat devs.

I know of at least one cheat dev who was offered a job but declined since the cheat made him much more money.
2014-11-19 20:34:40
and this is exactly why LAN pc's needs locked down permissions.. http://www.hltv.org/?pageid=18&threadid=677476
2014-11-19 19:51:38
you got reddit'd
http://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/2..

Post edited 2014-11-19 20:03:15
2014-11-19 20:02:23
SMOKIN HOT
2014-11-19 20:02:51
It´s just about the money bro. If Valve spends more money, it would be easier to make better AntiCheat Software. That´s easy, topic an be closed!
2014-11-19 20:12:02
I have a feeling we have a friend in common, I would PM you but I have no idea how to on this site :D
2014-11-19 21:11:42
omg... it makes me just sad...
2014-11-19 21:52:59
Could you ask your friend what his thoughts would be if Valve asked to employ him as an anti-cheat coder with a stable salary +bonus $ for each detection resulting to a ban through his efforts.

It would be really interesting to know why he would REJECT such an offer (or an offer similar to this).

We could get a really good insight on why talented coders choose the "dark side" of things
2014-11-20 10:12:19
ye this is true.

But as i know there is some cheats where is just emeny's head 2x bigger than normal one :) and its safe to use.
ppl pay for this cheat 300 euro or more.

This is gona be a realy big problem for cs go scene.



just waiting for comment : lets go back to 1.6 :D
2014-11-20 12:44:19
why would you NOT disclose who it is, this "developer" is a cancer to the whole community if what you say is even remotely true
2014-11-20 13:19:59
oh god why..
2014-11-20 16:14:59
I've always wondered that if the cheats are ran at a level in memory/kernel and closed when the game is closed. Why doesn't someone create a scanner for kernel that detects abnormal files for use whilst the game is running. My knowledge is low on this but my theory is that this could either be done by size filtering, detecting constantly running/intensive programs whilst the games running, disabling any new kernel processes from being run other than ones vital for the computer and that specific game to run. Also, it could search for keywords to do with specific devices/game.

Accessing someones kernel is intrusive and you need permission, as far as i'm aware. So why couldn't all professional LAN players - playing for a MASSIVE amount of money sign a contract that allows the organisers to scan a persons kernel actively whilst the play they game.

Just done some google'ing and found this , looks kind of similar to what i'm talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warden_(software)

Post edited 2014-11-20 18:17:22
2014-11-20 18:04:59
You just made a fool out of yourself. Lost all my respect.

You can escuse yourself all you want.
2014-11-21 00:09:59
has anything happened since then

Post edited 2015-11-04 05:21:21
2015-11-04 05:18:19
Heyy Guys thats my first comment ever on HLTV.org but what all i have read until now, i felt like i bring down my thoughts aswell.

So first i have to say to all the people outhere they think there is honor when there is money, wake up its 2014.

But now to the point of SMN said that it would be easy to cheat on LAN.

When you think back to last event you watched, we always have so huge delays, and the commentator ( for example Anders and Semmler ) are often saying for excuse the players setting up their PC.

Setting up a PC for 1 HOUR ... ?!

For example when i was going on LAN ( i was on a few ) i needed like 10 min for setting up my pc, then joining DM and i was good to go.

Today you have always Huge delays because something is not working and stuff. WHY ?

Start PC, Login Steam, insert config, get ingame change resolution, set up mouz driver, reboot pc aaaand good to go.

1 Hour later viewer still listining to Darude Sandstorm because of delay.

Another point i come up with is, you have a lot of pause and pc crashed during tournaments.
Is it because their fixing their PC with kerneldriver related forbiddenprograms and because of that reason PC are crashing ?

And my last tought is, i think it was Semmler and Anders was discusting about rivalry nowadays.
There is no hate no rivalry everybody is friends with eachother in proteam, everyone is <3 and fistbunping for the match ... Is it because they all know ?!

is it all a conspiracy?
2014-11-19 16:15:17
I was thinking similar things about that PC Set-up thing. Takes me like 5-10 minutes to set up my computer on a lan and be ready to play. I dont rly know what other issues can occure, but it seems a bit strange to me aswell.
2014-11-19 16:32:13
I'm attending a lan in 2 weeks and I'm pretty sure that it will take 5/10 mins to configure it xDD
2014-11-19 16:34:05
For example when i was going on LAN ( i was on a few ) i needed like 10 min for setting up my pc, then joining DM and i was good to go.

The keyword is YOUR PC. At most high-end tournaments people don't use their own computer and there is more to it than what you have just written.
2014-11-19 16:35:24
I've been to a non byoc LAN back in 2008. The teams had 20 min for set-up and warm-up prior to the games and we had no problems whatsoever to set up the PC's. And yes, all the European top teams in Source attended that LAN. AFAIK none of the teams had any issues with completing the set-up and warm-up in that time span.

I doubt the configs and set-ups are so much more advanced today that it takes around 40-80 minutes for teams to get ready for a game.

This being said, I don't think the reason of delays are necessary due to cheats. But still it's worth to mention.
2014-11-19 17:42:40
Yeah, we all know that the delays doesn't have anything to do with the setup.

And thanks for sharing.
2014-11-19 18:34:28
He wasn't using his own computer. Why would he be putting his config on his own computer?

By 'my pc' he meant the PC assigned to him by the LAN. He didn't mean that he had brought his PC from home.
2014-11-20 04:19:43
First of, why would some unknown player get an assigned pc? Never heard of a lan where that was the case and specially not a player who have only attended a few lans. All lans have always been byoc and since his time in cs dates "way" back in time, that should also be the case here.

Second, after his line about his pc he changes the subject. That he switched lines is a large indicator, the other indicator is that there is no context between the first few lines and the second paragraph or even the third.

So I can only say that you need to sharpen your reading skills, both understanding the what is written between the lines and what a new paragraph means to a sentence.

Don't bother writing back, im not gonna use more of time on this very small subject.
2014-11-20 09:01:45
Maybe that was a bit arrogant by me. The thing is that you might be right, but the chances are that you are not, because of the way it is written and by whom.
2014-11-20 09:23:12
By assigned I just meant the PCs assigned to his team. Which happens at every non-BYOC lan; of which there are many. You're thinking far too hard about this.

To quote his post "For example when i was going on LAN ( i was on a few ) i needed like 10 min for setting up my pc, then joining DM and i was good to go."

He says he was on a few PCs. And if he was using his own PC, why would he need to set up his config? Calling the PC you used at a LAN 'my PC' makes perfect sense. Your interpretation does not.

And just wow. 'Sharpen your reading skills'. Good job being an arrogant cunt AND being wrong at the same time. Such a fool.

2014-11-20 11:34:13
No, he says he was on a few LANs, not PCs, which is why the () is behind LANs and not my PC (which is in singular form, regarding the one computer, his own).

My arrogance always turns up when I have to explain the simple things, and I am sorry for that, but I am still right.

Post edited 2014-11-20 18:57:44
2014-11-20 18:56:41
'I was on a few'. I was on a few LANs? I was on a few PCs? Which makes more sense m8? The sentence structure isn't great, and things aren't worded well. But the intent is plain as day.

And you still can't answer the question why the hell would someone be installing their config on a PC that IS NOT THEIRS?

If you can stop being an autistic cunt and read it like a normal person, you'll get the right message.

Jesus fucking christ. Never seen somebody, who has English as their SECOND language, be so fucking arrogant, pedantic, and wrong.
2014-11-21 04:09:43
not sure if troll or just dumb
2014-11-19 16:59:12
its stupid to call out names like you did, or smn, if the players havent told him that they cheat theres no reason to call them out, just because some clip they have. and the usp is very accurate in air infact, way to accurate.
2014-11-19 16:16:17
I guess you believe Edward Snowden's whistleblowing about the NSA was wrong too?
2014-11-19 18:20:19
"usp is very accurate in air infact, way to accurate."
You have no idea what you're talking about, and no, I don't assume that olof cheats.
2014-11-19 23:22:56
lol...
2014-11-20 00:12:10
good read, nothing new about these players on the list
2014-11-19 16:24:17
Could someone explain this. IF all of those players really did cheat, they'd do it as secretly as possible. Then how the hell could smn know that all of those people cheat? Doesn't make any sense to me. I call this bullshit, though I can neither prove or disprove any of this and the possibility is real that some of those player cheats
2014-11-19 16:24:29
The truth lays somewhere down the middle.

Who knows.

2014-11-19 16:26:04
if you can cheat on LAN with steamdloud and workshop then the only solution would be opening CS:GO in offline mode, or using different accounts created specifically for the event so that players cant change or load cheats while noones watching..
2014-11-19 16:32:01
usb key ?

"mouse" or "keyboard" .exe driver ? :p

I guess if someone WANT IT, he will always find a solution :)

But maybe now that people are warmed about all of that, it will change a little :D
2014-11-19 16:34:20
Don't allow players to do ANYTHING to the PCs other than play the game.

Admins prep everything, including loading configs etc.

Players then play with the set-up, or don't.
2014-11-19 16:34:50
Valve temporary accounts with skins and friends sync but without files sync.
2014-11-19 16:35:29
MOTAR2K


Hire some top programmer or similar (dno how this works) to make a next level anti-cheat


And you will for real get respect by the cs community
2014-11-19 16:33:33
What if Valve make cheats to make money?

/conspiracy lvl 99
2014-11-19 16:41:58
everything is possible ,if they would care about cheaters on mm they would have made a good anticheat program but we all know what we have on MM
2014-11-19 17:04:11
Agreed
2014-11-19 17:59:51
money is flowing, what's more to wish?
2014-11-19 19:54:03
Let me tell you what Valve thinks, as a business, so conspiracy posts like this finally end.

The existence of cheating lowers the product quality, which leads to current customers ending the business cooperation (aka people stop playing the game) and greatly decreases the chances of aquiring new customers. Noone wants to start cooperating with a company whose product has a bad reputation in cheating/hacking/faulty issues.

You can't argue that the players who are legitimate and want to enjoy the game in a fair manner, greatly outnumber the players who want to cheat. Having this in mind, Valve does not want to try and exploit the cheaters (by banning rarely, having a poor anti-cheat then forcing them to buy the game again, thus making profit only by selling the game over and over to cheaters). They would rather focus on "exploiting" the majority of the players (the legitimate ones) by keeping them satisfied so that they keep buying skins, new operation badges, cases etc even the game again for "alt" accounts).

It is just better business, no feelings of justice and honor etc. It's the dilemma of owning a cow: Do you kill her and sell the meat,leather etc once for a quick big profit? Or do you keep milking her, have her reproduce and get a steady profit for ever?
2014-11-20 11:15:48
This blog is nothing original, all we did was quote smn (cheating) and fiffy (lan qualifiers)..

0 proof, and nothing we already havn't heard.. whats the point?
2014-11-19 16:37:13
So prestige events admins and Valve would do smth to prevent players to cheat.
2014-11-19 16:39:18
Yes, they should.. I commented on that yesterday.. http://www.hltv.org/?pageid=18&threadid=677476
2014-11-19 16:42:02
And this is my comment: http://www.hltv.org/?pageid=18&threadid=677937..
2014-11-19 16:44:18
very good sir.
2014-11-19 16:52:52
Omg LAN cheating going in, I feel like you cant play CS anymore without cheats:(
2014-11-19 16:37:30
One thing you have to know.
All the proteams are practicing against eachother.
I mean you can recognize if someone get a skillboost over night.
They all studying eachother there are no secrects, atleast for them.
They all know eachother like years, there are just few players from outside of any proplayer friendslist who gets into a tier1 team by skill.
Its all about connection, loyalty and how good you can keep secrets.

So from the standpoint of SMN who was playing for ATN ( wich is atleast a tier2 team and a favored practicepartner for tear1 teams ) of course he can have informations about players cheating, or atleast get an opinion based on facts/stats.
2014-11-19 16:39:19
i think we should not discusted about the creator of the blog.

Its okay to wrote down suspcicions and how and why.

This blog has in my eyes 2 Reasons:

1. to wake up the community
2. to frightended the ones who´s guilty
2014-11-19 16:47:03
exactly
2014-11-19 16:54:03
+1
2014-11-19 17:25:51
discusted
2014-11-19 21:48:32
gr8 b8 m8 i r8 it an 8/8 plz don't h8
2014-11-19 16:48:27
pyth cheated 100% on this video. Who have brain and understand how source engine working its impossible to make shots like that without trigger or aim assist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWw3CyUzX0U
2014-11-19 16:52:00
-1 bad troll
2014-11-19 17:15:46
+1
2014-11-19 17:17:59
I sincerely hope none of this is true :S
2014-11-19 16:53:57
you are totally crazy crzy with your smn friends... just because you 2 don't know how to play it doesn't mean nobody knows it, admit it.
2014-11-19 16:54:01
one thing is sure. u dont cheat crzy. u are shit xD
2014-11-19 16:54:43
^ rekt
2014-11-19 17:31:19
What would LAN qualifers help? If you think Olof cheated in that clip, he did it on LAN, so what does LAN qualifer even do then? Nothing
2014-11-19 17:01:21
Before KRIMZ and olofm and KQLY is hacking, i will fuck myself
2014-11-19 17:03:42
Im dont trust this smn faggot.

2014-11-19 17:12:57
Please fuck yourself. HAHAHA.
2014-11-20 19:03:51
shiiiiiiiiiiiiiit damn :OOOOO
2014-11-20 19:04:43
10/10 blog idea. "Let's listen to what this cheater is saying without backing it up with any evidence just cuz a former cs pro said it!". You need to analyze if this is a good source or not, or just smn sorta trying to say "everyone does it anyways, so that's why I do it!" just to get the public's eyes away from him.
I do agree with the lan qualifiers however, but calling out professionals without backing it up is just plain dumb.
2014-11-19 17:06:49
I agree that smn should have presented proof, but the blog was (presumably) to encourage debate - which it has done.

The debate is important because there's clearly an issue with cheating in the community at present; either real or perceived, otherwise this blog wouldn't have received the replies it has.
2014-11-19 17:12:40
Im not against making a blog about the existing cheating problem, but the fact that he crZy makes a blog where he doesnt seem to even look at it with the slightest of a critical eye disturbs me, especially since he list the names of the pros smn wrote about. This is gonna stir some ugly shit up in the community.
2014-11-19 23:20:39
Exactly what I thought, +1.

Post edited 2014-11-20 09:51:55
2014-11-20 09:51:21
and some st0le from croatia have that hax he is unknow player but he have that private hax
2014-11-19 17:08:07
illuminati confirmed
2014-11-19 17:14:32
oh, nice to hear it from the guy who fucking raging on everyone in his team :D
2014-11-19 17:17:51
Did that have any relation to my blog? i see!
2014-11-19 17:24:35
Can you try to ignore who OP is? This is a serious issue that needs to be adressed. Stop being so freaking childish.
2014-11-19 18:22:30
seems you don't know who crzy is :D
2014-11-19 18:23:48
I know who crZy is. But it isn't relevant in this discussion. I'm glad someone posted this thread so it can be adressed and discussed. I've been around probably longer than you as well.
2014-11-19 18:32:27
You know when i think about all this ... when i look at the teams on DHW14 and think about witch team would never use cheats because honor and being mature ...

there is only one team that comes up in my mind and that team is struggling so hard this time: NIP

maybe all this specculation about proteams cheating and NIP´s struggle is related to eachother.

I remember someone said that all teams change players and evolved except NIP.

Maybe proteams picked up cheaters and form alliances to break the containment of NIP beiing the best team in the world skillwise.

i mean all the names come up now all the "great new player" like ( for example ) OlofM, Krimz, Kio, Byali, Snax, JW, Kquly, Happy ( only names from team getting atleast 1-4 in tournaments ) are shit compares to GTR, Forest, Friberg, Xizt.

And that is not a Fifflaren thing that these players get crushed from LDLC, Fnatic, Titan, VP. I think NIP players are still the best, but around them something has dramatictly changed.

Its really like tour de france or Olympia: The frustration is growing inside a sportsman seeing always other sportsman winning and you know every practice does not make you good a the winning sportsman ever.
So thoughts come up how to solve the problem of always beiing behind.
2014-11-19 17:19:15
"because honor and being mature" And then guys called Neo and Taz appears. Guys who are playing longer than your NiP fellas. Do you realy believe that Neo and Taz would agree to play with cheaters on purpose?
2014-11-19 17:43:00
olofmeister
krimz
JW

always looks suspicious on steam/lan.

Post edited 2014-11-19 17:19:58
2014-11-19 17:19:37
If you think Olof cheated in that clip and you are 100% sure "this IS hack"

what you say about hiko flickshot?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfnYeRuW7D0

this is also hack??
2014-11-19 17:21:17
are u ok bro? Are u silver? Hiko's flickshot = on the ground. Olof = jumping long range headshots.
2014-11-19 17:28:20
that sot is not that imposible... have made simillar time to time
2014-11-19 17:45:04
Again, my idea about this, to start a debate, to make people realise that there are problems going on, even if you dont know them.

I didnt know half of all of this myself, and it surely cut alot of motivation to have those ideas in your head.

I just hope Valve will eventually also read this blog, and take steps against this.
2014-11-19 17:25:27
the hiko shot, u can clearly see he thought the dude was in top mid.. not behind the door, and hiko shot randomly.. and got it... even hiko was suprised i think.
2014-11-19 17:25:48
I guess the worst part is aimbot and related cheats since wallhacking is quite easily detectable from subjective viewpoints in my experience and opinion, just like most accusations against colon has been aimbot-related subjects in his days in 1.6

I don´t understand why anti-cheat developers in CSGO has still not yet developed de-sync detectable programs to detect cursor-movement inconsistent with mouse physical movement.

Either through hardware or software, something to detect mousemovement desynchronizing should be possible. I mean this is what various mouse-optimization programs does anyway, if there are inconsistensies assosiated with suspicious points, for example when an aimbot triggers to shoot a head, it´s very likely to get betweeen 5000-10000 mouse reports (depending on hertz) and check if they are inconsisentent with physical movement at the exact time an aimbot-suspicious move was made. This would the easily be detectable by anybody since it´s extremely unlikely other anomalies would cause mouse-movement inconsistencies at such a caliber like an aim-bot anticheat would.

Of course those cheats that would "shoot" when you aim at the head and otherwise should be detected through keystroke inconsistensies.

Yes, cheaters would be able to make programs that bypasses the roots of anticheat programs that detects this but that would be very risky for users since cheats with this power would definitely be harmful to your computer.

Regardless, these anticheats would make mouse-movement to correlate exactly with aimbot movement which would again look suspicious compared to standard mousemovement.

I believe any soluation within this idea is possible.

Post edited 2014-11-19 17:27:15
2014-11-19 17:26:18
Detecting inregularities with spray patterns would also be a really nice thing to have.
2014-11-19 17:37:26
Yes, but the problem is that I suspect valve has made spray patterns completely random when computating the spray patterns. This means that there will be infinite values of spray patterns to check which makes hiding cheat extermely easy.

The reason cheating was not that succesful in cs 1.6 apart from the fact it wasn´t as supported is because you actually, physically as a human, could aim and hit what you aim much more effecitvely than in CSGO (cs 1.6 ftw)

This means cheats would have to be much more outstanding in order to be cost-efficient for buyers to win games and especially win money, which was almost impossible without actual or subjective detection.

And obviously playing CSGO in steam is just a joke when it´s a cloud-based system.

And the video CrZy showed is 100% hack and it´s confirmed.

But counter-strike is generally a game that is hands-on a dream for hack-designers and developers due to the fact the skill-cap in CSGO is limited only to individual performance from aiming (and of course wallhack.) The impact teamplay and grenades have versus cheaters is extremely limited.

This is why cheating and gain money in other games is so hard, the good players will still win.

Post edited 2014-11-19 17:47:50
2014-11-19 17:40:12
From what I can see on spray patterns they have the same kind of basics even though they are randomizing they are not randomizing in such a way so that it goes away from its left, right and upwards movement. There has to be some sort of values defining that "randomness" otherwise the spray would be all over.

A program behind it should then be able to calculate how the shots hit within and beyond those values, defining a pattern on whether people cheat or not.

But maybe im wrong, im not really that much into coding.

Where and how is the video confirmed?


Post edited 2014-11-19 19:14:30
2014-11-19 19:13:44
Unfortunately, the exact parameters that causes randomness is more than enough for cheaters to utilize.
2014-11-20 02:53:46
This kind of thing must be very resource consumming, but it may be the only way to avoid cheating.
2014-11-19 18:57:37
Not really, there are countless of simple CSS supported systems that easily can detect flaws, desyncs and inconsistensies. The problem is that CSGO utilizes random computations in spray and bullet patterns which makes cheating extremely easy to do when you make such a great span of values for programs to detect inconsistensies.
2014-11-20 15:51:54
Im so fucking exited!!!
2014-11-19 17:26:45
me too but in the wrong way :/
2014-11-19 18:05:30
colon talking about cheaters... What a funny day man..
Do you remember?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh1EfnOJ2tE


Post edited 2014-11-19 17:27:31
2014-11-19 17:26:53
hahaha worst cheater iv ever seen even the noobs in mm cheating is better at hiding it xD
2014-11-19 17:29:16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHuHNvIoGSE

I bet you feel retarded now.
2014-11-19 19:49:57
- This video shows clips that are so incredibly much out of context that you could rather just show frames of every time he shoots someone on the screen for a millisecond and claim it´s aimbot.

Sound information is disregarded, including steps and info.

Most of the clips can be rationalized with good game sense and experience.

And many, many hours of experience with colon is witness to his infinite innocence and again proof that counter-strike always has been a kindergarden when it comes to proper recognition. Hold that thought, most pro players I´ve played with, nationally, and the whole scene in general, has been stupid and childish.



Post edited 2014-11-19 17:31:23
2014-11-19 17:30:33
most funny bust video never forget
2014-11-19 17:50:52
Retard. Check this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHuHNvIoGSE or watch the fucking demo noob... coloN didn't cheat

Post edited 2014-11-19 19:22:40
2014-11-19 19:22:28
Maybe calm your fucking tits mate. No reason to call other people names. You're being a freaking child.
2014-11-20 03:23:53
You are more bald than FeTish and that I love.
2014-11-20 09:02:02
No this is completly differnt in my opinion.

When you get backstabbed/ shotted from behind you always turn panicmode and shoot like crazy.
In this case this was clearly luck.

jumping headshot with usp-s ... i dont want to commentate this.
2014-11-19 17:28:39
no offence, realise what? a german got cought cheating, he throw some name out, no evidence nothing, and now u think there is a problem? yea might be a problem with german commnity.
Give some evidence, tell the name of that cheat, show more info.
and that olof video...don't tell some of u guys never did jump shot in this game.

btw is this smn with cheats on lan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McTtg9b-G2M ? Keepo
2014-11-19 17:31:01
so because a german player (obviously) got caught cheating and he do some name drop everyone belive him? XDD
2014-11-19 17:32:33
Are you living in the Care Bears's world ??

http://grosbisou.r.g.f.unblog.fr/files/2007/02/046..
2014-11-19 17:39:26
Where exactly did smn confess to cheating and where did publish this list? I don't see anything on his facebook page (and I can't find his twitter page). Just been seeing this list on HLTV for a while now.
2014-11-19 17:38:23
Well I dont like that you are accusing pro players without any evidence, but you made some noise which is good I guess. I hope Valve and event organizers do something about that.
2014-11-19 17:39:21
roflmao
2014-11-19 17:40:00
DEFEND YOURSELF

DansGame
2014-11-19 17:41:43
roflmao? :)
2014-11-19 17:44:17
yes you read it right.
2014-11-20 00:42:22
HOLy shit pyth just look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWw3CyUzX0U

what you have to say about this?? clearly cheater, even looking down at the ground for 2 second to config cheat xDDD


or not lol

Post edited 2014-11-19 17:48:21
2014-11-19 17:47:32
yh totally looks like hack
and probably is
2014-11-19 17:59:49
yup 100% cheating here, i would love to get the PoV record to prove it :)
2014-11-19 18:16:24
He had 1.6 deagle there for a second
2014-11-19 18:32:57
It's called crouching :) It improves your accuracy a lot in this game, especially with Deagle and AK47.
2014-11-19 19:25:51
;) i don't play enough this game, no idea what is the limit of the recoil but that record makes it look so sick.
2014-11-19 19:43:41
Whenever people do something dodgy in CSGO, they're instantly called out.

Luckily it wasn't like that in 1.6. You could actually be good at the game and do pull off some sick frags w/o getting called out instantly because of butthurt sourcekids
2014-11-19 19:52:57
try to replicate this 5 HS deagle shots with 5 bots who are standing still (on lan server) and you will fail 10/10 times. This was even the "older" deagle before it got buffed. Impossible in this engine to shoot with deagle like that, especially on the internet
2014-11-19 23:59:32
This was not the older deagle. But yea, try it while standing ("new" or old deagle) and you are gonna fail really often indeed.
2014-11-20 00:09:22
tbh they did something with the deagle on a update, this was before that update and now its harder to "oneshot" people and reset the recoil with ducking :O

also this is recorded on a GOTV demo so it might not show perfectly.

Post edited 2014-11-20 04:12:21
2014-11-20 04:11:36
Mhhh dgl is still accurate while crouching tho. But it doesn't work like it did in 1.6 where you could crouch, stand and then have the accuracybenefits of crouching.

And when I check the files it shows deagle accuracy hasn't been adjusted since July.

Post edited 2014-11-20 04:35:18
2014-11-20 04:33:45
yeah, they changed something in July that made it harder, idk can you link to all the change logs? I tried finding it earlier without any luck
2014-11-20 05:16:21
HAHAHAHAHA

this was when the deagle was so shit no one would even consider buying it. Deagle was so shit there it wouldn't hit, stop twisting facts you liar.

Though, i see why you are trying to defend him you are top of the list :D:D:D.
2014-11-20 06:03:50
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
2014-11-19 18:04:15
kukly and sf are down. where's the roflmao now?
2014-11-21 07:27:02
Banning all Germans from the internet is a start :):):):):):):):):):):)
2014-11-19 17:41:55
-wurstboys
2014-11-19 18:05:40
someone mad because got ass kicked :)

Post edited 2014-11-19 18:27:39
2014-11-19 18:27:19
Not sure if troll or just retarded, fake flagger - probably German.
2014-11-19 22:11:54
why fake flag? i think hes from the world. retard
2014-11-20 16:30:41
Everything is possible, but I doubt all guys on list.
2014-11-19 17:45:41
crZy you're drunk, go home and find a team
ups sry i forgot no one wants to play with you feel sorry
2014-11-19 17:49:42
yea its funny xD, but do u have proof that smn told it? maybe i didnt understand anything
2014-11-19 17:49:53
Not a single piece of evidence was given that day.

Seriously, if you want "cheating" to be recognized as a serious issue, don't go around accusing some of the most reknown players in the sport without hard evidence. Do you know what implications such accusations have in any sport that takes cheating at the top end seriously? By casually throwing names around, you are in essence doing the thing you allegedly wanted to raise awareness against: taking cheating matters very lightly.

2014-11-19 17:50:05
No because do anyone HAVE any evidence?

No , no one has - because its so damn hard to figure out.

Look at batistutas comment also, its very very hard to detect.
If i would have had any evidence, this wouldnt have been a blog.
2014-11-19 17:59:59
You could have just left names out of the blog, you know?

And let's do the impossible for a second and assume all of those players have in fact been cheating, even on LAN. What this blog does in that case is warning them that someone somehow is on to them, giving them the chance to avoid further risks.

If smn truly knew of cheating possibilities that had been abused at the top end of competition, and he himself has been caught by an anti-cheat program, it is obvious that the best thing would have been to stay quiet and wait for other players to be caught as well.
2014-11-19 18:06:30
this idiot helps cause a witch hunt, would love to see him banned for a bit
2014-11-19 17:50:13
He's doing great, why u insulting him? We need some witch hunt nowadays. So many pro cheaters...

Post edited 2014-11-19 17:55:34
2014-11-19 17:55:17
he did a good job slandering people from the top3 teams no doubt...
2014-11-19 18:09:33
crZY you said shit cuz one german kids was caught and he cry
2014-11-19 17:52:31
100% working anti-cheat solution: 60fps camera streaming both your computer screen and mouse movements, check the correlation and see if there is any kind of wh going on..
2014-11-19 17:52:35
well that jw hacks is not a very big myst :D
but i dont think the others do
2014-11-19 17:54:38
no proof no blog
Have a nice day
2014-11-19 17:55:30
You can clearly see that after olof shoots, his aim jumps straight at his head, i believe you can go in and do it on the same map, and try to see how many bullets it would take you to do the exact same thing, in 1 round - i can tell you that its almost impossible.
Could it be luck of a lifetime? I highly doubt it.


You clearly dont know how cheats work.
You really think he is gonna use some blatant cheat on LAN and online that locks on targets and flicks to their head? IF he cheats, he'd be using some silent aimbot or "intelligent" aimbot which is almost impossible to spot since it doesn't lock.

Also the reason why his aim jumps straight to his head is because he is reacting to what he saw mid-air. He checked ninja to see if anyone was there, but the guy had moved out from the spot and he "flicked" onto his head because he reacted. It's pretty normal. GOTV also makes it look more retarded than it actually is.

Just because some random retarded German says that half of the scene is cheating on LAN doesn't mean its true. He is probably just butthurt.

You're a fucking shame for the entire danish community rofl

Post edited 2014-11-19 17:56:36
2014-11-19 17:55:36
your right, i dont know how cheat works.

I only read and learned what i could, and what i found out was the thing with aimbotting.

Also, this COULD be luck of a lifetime, as i also wrote - but i just dont personally think it is, it looks too weird.
2014-11-19 17:58:29
One thing you should note is that cheats can´t add anything the game doesn´t allow. For example, if the game is not designed to track player positions, then you can´t make hacks that tracks them - as simple as that. Valve can change spray pattern and recoil values and make undetectable cheats almost useless, but this would require a massive adjustments to weaponry and make a completely new games, fortunately, a game colon would be badass in. Like absolutely badass.
2014-11-20 07:45:46
This entire post is absolute nonsense. You have clearly no idea on how programming or cheats work.

Why do you think that there are cheats available for every single FPS released? Do you really think, that if there was a solution as you suggest here, the programmers would not have used it?

Of course an FPS is designed to "track player's positions". It HAS to be. How else would you calculate hitboxes or even when one player hits another. You should look into (very) basic programming before posting nonsense like this :)
2014-11-20 14:41:50
I will choose to not be the judging person here.

The reason there are cheats available to every single game is because they utilize engines that supports codes and languages that will provide cheat-devloping programmers with the tools necessary to make "game malware." Now when I say "support languages" I mean they have pre-templated and accurate modification libaries or "modules" that will allow access to libariries within the engine from which the language has correspondance even though the engine does not make use of these modules when playing CSGO.

Since CSGO is using the source engine which utilizes the tools necessary to detect spray, bullet, player, wall predictions and origins, programmers can "bypass" the engines securities and then apply them from the client and therefore have a succesful cheat.

What does "calculate hitboxes" even mean? While there is a correlation between hitboxes and bullet penetration points that doesn´t count as wallhack material. When I say tracking player positions I mean source-code that allows clients to receive origin inputs from player positions. These things can "easily" be excluded and almost impossible to make hacks for if the games do not support them.

What I am trying to say is something like this: If you have a clean engine that minimizes the possibilities of hacks or limits their effects in the game, then they would have to utilize new fundamental computations which won´t correspond with the engine. This is extremely hard to do. It would be like playing counter-strike from battlefield 4. Do you understand the point?

But since it´s much cheaper to use previous data and enginges to develop games, these things has not been corrected.

I think you just misunderstand my points and I would prefer you don´t misjudge anything I say.

Since you can´t prevent any engine from giving clients inputs of other players positions, origins, at the very least you can remove the modules that allows cheaters to code stuff that is almost undetectable.

Post edited 2014-11-20 16:06:12
2014-11-20 15:59:46
If you invent a way to create an FPS engine, that handles calculations of player-positioning, hitboxes and bullet penetration server-side only, you will be a VERY rich man.

It has not been done yet, because it is not possible to do. I know this because i have actually worked on an FPS where we tried handling as much data as we could server-side. Unfortunately this brings up tons of issues with both the code and the feeling of the game, because handling all that information server-side ultimately brings delay to the information to the client's PC. LAG is not something you want in an FPS.
2014-11-20 20:37:53
No, you invent an FPS engine that filters all input through the server side BEFORE putting it to the client side to check for desynchronization. This is why programs that can detect inconsistent spray/recoil or bullet patterns are important.

I would not know how much lag it would cause but I am sure with the technology we have to day, though slightly staganating in development but still ongoing - since CSGO is definitely not the most intense game to play (this is not 32 versus 32 players like battlefield 4 with intense graphics) I am sure it´s possible to filter the inputs to check client receivings.

As said in the previous post, the goal is to make it impossible for the client side to receive different input that what the server sends without getting detected.
2014-11-21 09:08:19
In all honesty - and i say this knowing that i'm going to sound like an arrogant asshole (but i don't mean to) - i'm not gonna bother discussing this with you anymore, because you clearly just don't know what you are talking about.

I do appreciate your general idea (although it will never work in real life). It will - at some point - be possible to do an FPS which handles everything everything server side but we are pretty far from being there yet. Also... Referring to this as an "engine" problem is also wrong. This has to do with how data is handled between the server and a client and this can be adjusted regardless of what engine you are using.
2014-11-21 10:01:17
No, you´re just exactly too arrogant too look beyond your own nose. You pre-emptively tell yourself "I know better than this guy" and thus eveything that fluxuates through your brain is automatically converted into something you want to hear so that you can respond to it in your own fashion and make the better of yourself and feel superior. Congratulations.

Again, as said before, I don´t suggest anything to be handled server side because that doesn´t make any sense. However, you modify the client-receiver system so that the game and/or servers can detect desynchronization in either data or input when it´s analysing the common client and server data. This is possible already but the longevity of it is expensive, even with todays technology.

This can be adjusted regardless of what engine you are using - yes and no, it depends on the solution. I believe it´s better to both have desynchronizable detection systems on both the client and server side to help human analysists determining cheat rather than automated systems. Because if you make automated detection systems on engines (game engines) which allows physics (in thise case bullets, recoils and bullet sprays) to be computated randomly, the data simply becomes endless and inanalysable. This is why we filter out irrelevant data and keeps the relevant data. The technology to do this is definitely there but it´s expensive and the longevity is bad.
2014-11-21 16:19:55
I'm gonna leave it at my last comment. If you had any practical coding experience, you would know that what you're writing is nonsense. But you don't, so you won't. Lets leave it at that.
2014-11-21 17:17:24
I love people who studies something at uni for 1 year and then act like experts and douchebags of the highest caliber.

To be fair, you have not made any single argument or any "practical coding example" to support any of the counter-arguments you make. In fact, your counter-arguments has nothing to do with anything I say.

So let´s leave it at you´re just being an arrogant douchebag.
2014-11-21 17:28:00
I'm not pretending to be an expert of any sorts and i am not able to give you any "practical coding example" (haven't seen you come up with any of those either, have i?)

You are just stating a claim about something that is simply not doable. If it was just the money that prevented companies from making a cheat-free FPS, don't you think companies like Valve, Activision or EA would be able to finance it?

None of these companies have been able to get rid of cheats, and i can promise you that they have tried. I don't need to come up with "counter arguments" since you are just posting nonsense.

This will be my last post in this conversation.
2014-11-21 18:08:49
Again, I am not the one claiming to know better. I am the one claiming you to pretend I´m saying something I´m not, while you then refer to your coding experience as your alfa-omega rightousness.

I won´t be able to give exact answers to why these things have not been developed. However, if you could invent the car and the bike at the same time, then you might invent the bike before the car to get double the benefit. Similarties may be present here.

And yes, you don´t need to come up with counter arguments because what I´ve said does indeed make sense and what you claim I´ve said does not.

Also, what I am suggesting is not an anti-cheat system, it´s an anomaly-detection system. This requires manpower to be utilized globally in/on all gameservers, and I can quite confidently gaurantee that is NOT profitable for any of these organisations even if it would vastly increase anti-cheat protection. However, for major tournaments these things COULD work in theory if cheating gets out of hand.

This will be the last post in this conversation. Though, I´m not the one who cares, but since the last word is important to you, I´ll expect a reply. Could be funny to look stupid though if you don´t answer, but at the same time it´s satisfactionary.

Post edited 2014-11-21 18:39:57
2014-11-21 18:37:13
Nerd.
2014-11-21 18:44:04
Interesting. Going from and ago-centric arrogant to now an phaseshift discount troll, attempting to now play the "I don´t know what to say" aka, no combacks, cards, in order to secure and maintain the ego. Now this kind of self-belief system is phyilosophically interesting, but it´s also terribly annoying to nerds like me, and yes, thanks for the compliment and I am not afraid of admitting it. Also, I do consider myself strongly arrogant and likely to know better than others but I am not afraid to look out for it socially speaking, which in this case, no missteps were taken.
2014-11-21 18:49:22
I've just seen too many of your type.

Actually i probably was your type 12 years ago.

Looong posts saying almost nothing. I tried to talk to you, but you are like a record that is just stuck forever.

Oh... And it seems like you are the one who really needs the last word - so i'll let you have it.

Nerd.
2014-11-21 20:40:06
You have tried for 4 posts to let me get the last word.

Since I actually agreed with your statement that creating an engine that can´t cooperate with client and instead lets everything get monitored server side is true, but THEN explained that was not what I mean, you completely avoided even mentioning what it is I actually meant which is completely different.

But since you live in a world of false elitism, go ahead.

And no, you won´t let me get the last post. Ego, too high. This ego is what I have now as well, but proudly.

Idiot.

Post edited 2014-11-21 21:04:03
2014-11-21 21:03:40
It is impossible for me to respond to what "you actually mean", because coding-wise, it makes no sense. That simple fact you refuse to accept and that is because you know nothing about programming.

But lets do it like this. Show me an actual practical example of what you mean (as in CODE) and i will tell you why it won't work.

Looking forward to your new last word.
2014-11-21 22:17:04
It´s not even programming knowledge to suggest that you detect/filter data to see if they are sync/desynced on client/server receiver/input sides. That is the very basic idea which however executionably is complicated, rationally, obviously but not codingwise, RESOURCE wise.

I don´t want to proove that my penis is bigger than yours since we don´t share that goal with the discussion.

The reason it´s impossible for you is simply because you refuse to accept what it is I am saying. It´s like horribly obvious what I´m suggesting.
2014-11-21 23:49:40
No, the reason it is impossible is because i see this from a coder's perspective. I don't just come up with some random solution which might work in theory, i think about how you would solve it in practical solution.

You cannot. It is that simple really. Have a good night.
2014-11-22 01:03:53
If you´re such a good coder with this great coding experience, how can you possibly fail to see that it is in fact, very logically, possible to check if the data that the client receives from the server and vica versa is synchronizing and/or relatively propertional with predictions or what the server/anticheat predicts it to be, so that if not, an anomaly is detected?

This is just TOO easy to understand.

Also, you have not come up with any solutions. All you do is try to criticize me for something you don´t even try to comprehend.

If you would proove you´re not just an idiot, you would actually try to ask what it is I´m saying or at least repeat it in any fashion instead of preemptively, because of your motherload of an ego, cast it aside and then continue to proclaim something that you are to only proove you´re the otherwise.
2014-11-22 12:02:13
+1 bro gj
2014-11-19 17:59:04
hltvuser2014 sems legit. Afraid posting this with real acc? And why do you know how cheats work?
2014-11-19 18:02:46
cause he cheats :P
2014-11-19 18:11:40
My real account is not available, it was previously "crux__" :)

Why do I know how cheats work? I read alot into it because it is interesting.
Why should I be afraid of posting it with my real account? Who cares? Lol

Post edited 2014-11-19 19:50:18
2014-11-19 19:41:16
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2014-11-21 17:19:27
seems legit
2014-11-19 18:03:01
I like everyone of the ex-LGB lineup but lets be clear. I don't know if olof was cheating or not, but he literally jumps and one hits knowing that it would hit 100%
2014-11-20 06:00:54
For all thoose who are defending the "proplayers" ...

Why should one of the honest player on the scene agree with it and saying that there a are lot of cheating proplayers?!

wake up

Post edited 2014-11-19 17:56:55
2014-11-19 17:56:02
well, one of the honest player on the scene? who is this? smn? is this is a joke lol? Honest guy with cheats ! this is something new.
2014-11-19 18:09:31
I think he is referring to fifflaren.
2014-11-19 19:48:45
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
2014-11-19 17:57:22
LETS GET THIS SHIT TO 1K COMMENTS BOYS
2014-11-19 18:03:25
chrisJ not in the list? Kappa
2014-11-19 18:07:18
yes everyone cheats.. crzy
2014-11-19 18:07:37
after reading #228, I'm losing my mood to play/follow csgo ...
2014-11-19 18:10:48
damnn virtus.pro y u do dis =////
i thought you won katowice because you played the best there, and now some random trash says you cheating???? ://///

/thread
rofl this is funny how this pro's wannabes like smn and crzy trying to say that actually the best players in the world using cheats as well :D

olof, krimz, kioshima, kqly, virtus.pro players "don't know exactly which players from vp" XDDDD

"On LAN tournaments, we need PCs with brand new steam accounts, which means VALVe needs to be in on this, they need to be able to check the steamcloud/workshop of every player after every match - its alot of work, but if people are too dumb to not cheat, this is the way to do it"

agree only with this

Post edited 2014-11-19 18:19:38
2014-11-19 18:12:09
yep snax & byali go to top level in 2-3 months after join VP Kappa
2014-11-19 18:26:16
you probably didn't saw them in gamefaction before they joined VP, did you? ...
2014-11-19 22:24:52
Type in google "Kappa".
2014-11-20 12:29:21
yeah and of course youre one of the cleanest players^^

Post edited 2014-11-19 18:14:47
2014-11-19 18:14:34
Would be nice to see fnatic cheating. After playing Matchmaking, i agree: Everybody is just cheating :D

2014-11-19 18:14:50
So easy to fool....
2014-11-19 18:20:26
The highlight with olofm is on lan idiot.
2014-11-19 18:22:03
we're talking only about lan cheats here not online..
2014-11-19 18:24:15
back to 1.6
2014-11-19 18:25:07
#228 HOLY SH111111111T

olofmeister??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgTkjRd3Q_Q

Post edited 2014-11-19 18:30:21
2014-11-19 18:25:44
Let's face it. There's a bigger chance that a snitch, will rat out the people he knows is cheating, rather than throwing around empty accusations. A rat will always try to take his accomplis's down with him. These people are not innocent. If smn is going to burn, he'll make sure everyone that have done the same as him, burns as well. Have nobody here ever watched any krimi movies?
2014-11-19 18:27:04
" Virtus.pro (dont know exactly which players from VP) "
It must be paszaBiceps, after donations from m2k, finally he can buy expensive cheats Kappa
2014-11-19 18:29:08
probably is snax, who knows?
He play really good in smoke, and make much kills into the smoke.
2014-11-19 18:50:19
Maybe because he is inteligent player? I can play good as him in smokes, it's easy if you know how to play. But ye, Snax cheating because he is inteligent. OMG.
2014-11-20 15:24:13
Everyone can be inteligent with cheats, hes banned before, why not again :D
2014-11-21 17:10:38
Volvo could also introduce a time limit on the activation of new game accounts.

E.g. You buy an account and have one month (for example) to activate it, otherwise it becomes useless.

That would at least stop shit cunts from storing 40 or so accounts for a time when their other account gets banned.
2014-11-19 18:29:54
I activate 40 accounts and wait?
2014-11-19 18:31:53
Activate could mean more than just log in...

Say play x number of hours, or a frequency of hours in x amount of time perhaps based upon the current player base and average playing time?

//also might increase likelihood of linking accounts for blanket bans?

Post edited 2014-11-19 18:35:46
2014-11-19 18:32:52
Community shouldnt buy any Sticker from DH Winter, to show Valve what is going wrong here...
2014-11-19 18:33:43
http://fragbite.se/fragtv/video/1952/olofm-vs-navi


hjahahahahahhahahahaha wait wait pls
hahahahahahhaha
2014-11-19 18:34:02
one lucky shot like that, ok. but two in a row... :D
2014-11-19 18:37:27
Lol, crZy wrote a blog about cheaters. crZy and coloN, you were both cheating in the past, lol.
2014-11-19 18:36:21
and still achieved nothing =d
2014-11-19 18:37:23
thats the most funniest thing, crzy even don't know how to spray with silenced m4, but he able to call olof's aim cheats :DDD
2014-11-19 19:17:57
That entire fnatic team screamed filth from the day they emerged onto the scene. Not suprised at all. Couldn't care less what they have achieved since.

Either way, that clip of Olof he is cheating, simple as really.
2014-11-19 18:36:51
d1ablo the cod player?
2014-11-19 18:40:50
Yes.
2014-11-19 18:46:38
I Was in DM the other day.. Im in the US..there was a guy in the DM server who went to the same LAN AZK,adreN attended earlier that year- he said, and i quote "they deleted their f**kin config after they finished playing man".. "they have weird shit in their config, i swear im not making this shit up".. " i asked AZK for his config and he said sorry i cant give it to you".

edit: "why would anyone delete their config if theres no hidden advantage.. "

Post edited 2014-11-19 18:38:16
2014-11-19 18:37:25
what are you trying to achieve with this blog? get some attention? Those accusations are taken out of the blue, you might aswell say everyone who wasnt (semi)pro in 1.6 is currently cheating their way at the top.

until there is no detected ban or whatsoever such statements shouldnt be made as it could actively destroy an innocent person's life. Most sites/forums actually do not allow this kind of witchhunt and hltv staff shouldnt.

You have exactly one valid point in here:

the idea with the new steam accounts,or,even better, for valve sponsored events atleast, an "non-steam" version of the game specifically made for lan (who needs skinz anyway). But thats just a future though, considering how valv treats csgo we will either never see this or maybe somewhere aroudn 2020.
2014-11-19 18:39:19
I found a solution, play tournaments on Linux CS:GO client.
2014-11-19 18:43:03
and we ask ourselfs how the fuck lol and dota have bigger community then ours? Simple as shit. No cheats to help u there.jw was cheating 4 sure in begining of csgo can give my arm 4 that(:D).No big game without big Names simple as shit.
2014-11-19 18:44:42
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-8haSl9iG0

2 years ago, they got disqualified for it, look who was in the roster of WRTT... emilio :D
2014-11-19 18:48:58
And that video got debunked, because there was a bug with demos (smokes etc). Stop being a typical HLTV-retard.
2014-11-19 18:59:52
Two days later they played NiP and literally dominated them and was tagged as the most suspicious game in cs history.

xelos was so blatant that he pushes with the P250 like its a CZ.
2014-11-20 05:57:52
Remember the early days?

Non-BYOC meant the PC was completely locked down, you couldn't even access console in game, no autoexec, etc..

You fixed your crosshair, keybinds, resolution, sensitivity, and you went on your merry way.

Fuuuuck I remember going to a CSS tourney when I used cl_crosshairscale 1800 at home but couldn't use it at LAN (no console) so I had to use small (scale 1200)

Valve needs to do this at LAN too I think. Start locking things down. No mouse driver installations, nothing.

Post edited 2014-11-19 18:49:59
2014-11-19 18:49:12
+1
Like on WCG, they cant even record demo. :D

Post edited 2014-11-19 19:09:31
2014-11-19 19:09:23
how did they block the console?
2014-11-19 19:19:32
I forget specifically but it was some custom GUI.

Then again you can just -console but i forget it was 10 years ago
2014-11-20 00:11:59
Just here to comment that this post has gone "viral" on hltv.
Didn't think it would do so well but I'm going to look into the "why?"

The most comments, on a user generated blog, we have seen is Fodder if I'm not mistaken.

Let's hope the constructive discussion grows.

*fat fuck suckopticalmouse flies away.
2014-11-19 19:10:04
its all the same cheat right? so if one of them gets banned they all would(over time atleast) right? I mean would they know that they have the same cheat as other players? if I was making and selling it I wouldn't say.
2014-11-19 19:15:50
this is fun
2014-11-19 19:34:00
It honestly wouldn't surprise me in the least if every person named in OP does cheat, the only team in the pro scene that 100% don't have anyone shady is NiP.

Remember back when teams first crossed over to CSGO? They rarely lost a game, and then within a 2-3 month period there were about 6-7 teams that could beat them on any given day.

I'm not saying that EVERYONE cheats, but there is without question a few individuals in top teams that are highly likely using some form of cheat at lan.

The one that stands out the most to me is apex, he went from being "Good" to being arguably the best Rifler in France, in the space of a few weeks.
2014-11-19 19:38:26
Go done csgo at 60 euros and no more cheat.
2014-11-19 19:46:23
omg
2014-11-19 22:13:57
With "honest player in the scene" who also said that cheating proplayers exists i ment Fifflaren.
2014-11-19 19:51:07
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2014-11-21 17:19:34
Not only ApeX, i remember always everybody was talking about olofM now in 5 weeks Krimz is destroying everyone.
Everyone is talking about krimz.
Even Thorin said Krimz is the best player atm.
Krimz was just the "olofM is only joining Fnatic if he can bring Krimz to" player, now that.

For all off you playing cs:go like from the beta.
There is a point you cant evolve skillwise.
You stuck ... when you stuck on proplayer level then its ok.
But when you stuck after years of CS and there is no evolving, how do you get better ?! tell me ?
2014-11-19 19:56:07
ofcourse there is cheaters in the pro scene, just like in any sport in real life you have cheaters in some form.

2014-11-19 19:56:45
I have zero respect for Fnatic because of the players it chooses to have on their team.
2014-11-19 20:01:37
If you stuck and cant get better evolve, and you are too arrogant to admit it... On this point the of cheating is coming up.
This is a psychological fact.
Humans would always betray others for better outcome for thereselfs.

its nothing new.

if you cant keep up, get lost or in this case get a reallife.
I mean look at them ...
2014-11-19 20:02:47
I use the a3d cheat from 2002. Cheating-Death and Punkbuster proof.

Now it's finally out. What a relief.

Post edited 2014-11-19 20:19:06
2014-11-19 20:16:54
you got nothing else to do?
2014-11-19 20:17:21
"Virtus.pro (dont know exactly which players from VP)"

HAHHAHAHAH That´s the level of a 6 years old kid: Punish one of these boys. I don´t know who has stealen my food today, but it was a GUY! :O :O
2014-11-19 20:22:56
Please read my post. It´s not about VP is not cheating. It´s about "maybe someone from VP". Did you get it now on english?
2014-11-19 21:03:44
it was wire bug he got unbanned later lol
2014-11-19 22:20:27
"As for Janusz "Snax" Pogorzelski, not a whole lot of information is available. On his ESL profile it's written that his two-year ban will not have rehabilitation possible, which usually is possible via ESL's cheater rehabilitation, something both Brandt and Boisnard will be able to take part in."

Rehabilitation is not possible only for those who have been banned for cheating earlier in ESL. So to Snax having had account in ESL since 2006 means that out of that time he has been banned for 4 years. Even if they had unbanned him for a ESL Wire bug which someone stated below without any further proof, he still has a history of cheating according to the post linked by PapaTurban. The sad thing about ESL bans is that once they expire, no trace of them are visible to other users, only for Admins via penalty point history of a player.
2014-11-20 16:21:20
Why is it that on everypost on hltv about polish player suspiscion are always every polish user comes in with a commentar to defend them.

Snax and Byali in a short time from newcomer to best in the world carry 3 of the golden 5 of CS 1.6 to big tournament wins.

Of course its suspicious, and to talk about its defenetly ok.

2014-11-19 20:27:30
Snax is not a newcomer, he is playing ESL since 2006.
2014-11-19 20:54:08
and never get into a top team
2014-11-19 21:00:06
neo said they had an eye on him since 1.6 and they had only 1 top team. It was really hard to get into G5 i think since they still won majors etc
2014-11-19 21:04:07
Maybe because Golden Five was dominating the polish scene...? Other guys were usually on par with Snax's teams or slightly better (for example Drunken Five).
2014-11-19 21:51:22
+1 on the P.S.
2014-11-19 20:31:04
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2014-11-21 17:19:42
Sooo, in comes "smn". A player I've never heard of and whom now is banned for cheating. This guy is(as stated by the community who actually know who this guy is) a pretty good player, but not even close to considered a top player.

This guy gets caught and now reveal some really remarkable accusations that some of the best players in the world has LAN-cheat.. Wait a minute. Let's just stop this madness right HERE.

So HOW do he even get this knowledge? He went to cologne, sat down in the sofa with olofm and asked: "Yo, your on this shit aswell, right? What version do you use?". Or maybe he saw Krimz at the bar and went "You cheat, right?" and Krimz goes "You know what, buy me a beer and I'll tell you all my secrets, which by the way, will totally destroy my entire career if you leak it, so dont please.".

Or maybe he did knew the creator of this notorious LAN-cheat? And the creator just got a random e-mail from [email protected] asking for a price on his new merchandise? After that they meet in an alley and JW gets his USB for 800 dollars(and that confirmed that it was actually JW that bought the cheat according to the creator)..

Really guys? Why do we even discuss the PROs. YES, there are probably cheats that works like people have already explained in this thread(intelligent aimbot etc), but I don't even see it slightly possible to review that many pros based on a statement from a NOBODY(who got caught cheating and even more showed that his IQ has to be with a level of an avarage 12 year old).

As of the clip: Yes, this is very unlikely and putting the kill out of context with his other 100.000+ kills he has made(during his career) I can promise you one thing: this was not even close of other crazy frags he has done before. Only this time it happend in front of a majority of the CS community and comes very handy when this subject was brought up(LAN cheats).

Please let smn fall in to his upcoming match making-career without giving him credit, only shame.


Post edited 2014-11-19 20:51:48
2014-11-19 20:46:03
.

Post edited 2014-11-19 20:52:53
2014-11-19 20:50:58
So if I were a professional player I would totally not make sure my identity stayed hidden while buying a product that would destroy my entire career? Hmm. Im not convinced.
2014-11-19 20:53:27
well the dropping names thing seem to be a troll so ^^ but we shouldnt take this LAN cheating thing lightly if u read #228

Post edited 2014-11-19 20:55:29
2014-11-19 20:54:19
Yeah I saw that now! But im gonna leave the post anyway, there might be some speedy kids on this forum that needs to start to calm down and maybe, just maybe, even think themself for a little bit.

2014-11-19 20:57:03
did you see the video where moe was getting instructions on his aimbot?
2014-11-19 22:17:46
the "best", like supex0 for example, dont sell to randoms or anonymous people. you have to be a big number in the scene for example or know the coder personally. thus i think its very hard to buy a private anonymously, especially because coders dont want their work leaked/released to public.
2014-11-20 00:04:08
yeah it's a real shame.
now many people will call these players cheaters with no basis because this idiot decided to accuse them and give that cheater a stage and apparently hltv staff does nothing about it either.

of course he knows that the top3 teams are with cheaters, he said so why would he lie?! amazing logic by the OP.
2014-11-19 21:19:27
https://www.facebook.com/strux1/photos/a.131505783..

Post edited 2014-11-19 20:48:55
2014-11-19 20:48:47
strux1 : "Because there have been a lot rumors that smn told names of professional players who are cheating, i have to publish this personal info directly from smn. He never called a single name of the players listed on HLTV (olof, apex, vp etc.). It has been a troll by some of the users and people started believing it.

Personally im just disappointed about what simon did. I played in several teams with him and could never believe that a character like him would cheat. When rumors in the german scene came across, i was defending him. I want to apologize for it."

https://www.facebook.com/strux1/photos/a.131505783..

Post edited 2014-11-19 20:49:36
2014-11-19 20:49:07
COPY PASTE BY crZy and Co.

someone said bullshit, lame guy paste it

butthurt
2014-11-19 21:47:48
haha nice try from crZy to get some attention at this way because from playing csgo he doesn't get any
2014-11-19 22:01:54
+1, this needs attention
crZy is just talking out of his fucking ass.

Sure there are probably cheaters on LAN, but the list he has is made up beyond imagination.
2014-11-19 22:39:05
First of all, smn wrote in the chat that he wasnt online for a week - so by that you can pretty much conclude what has happened.

smn told it to a "close friend" , who decided to copy / paste the information to me, and wanted to quit cs based on the things smn said.

I would never, ever create a blog like this to get attention, and if you think elsewise, you are just stupid.
2014-11-19 23:15:51
kirby told him
2014-11-19 23:51:35
close! other way around tho
2014-11-20 00:26:56
I wonder why no one till post #375 (that I made) questioned where the list had come from. HLTV.org is literally the only place I've seen the list and i've been looking all over.
2014-11-20 09:50:53
because it was a private chat between 2 persons - i dont expect smn expected the guy to rat him out, but he copy pasted the conversation to me directly.

Then i got so frustrated that i needed to write something in order for valve to take actions against this if just 1% of the things i was told was true.

That was the whole idea with this blog, why would i write a list of players myself, i would get nothing out of it? Maybe even more hated on hltv, but thats about it.

As you can even see in the start of my blog, it was so hard for me to believe that even a player like olofM possibly could be cheating according to smn - it was so far away from my reality because the game is basically their lives.

But now i am the bad guy, and thats fine - i can take that :D i dont really care if smn denies everything now, i know what he told - and thats why i made this blog, good day.
2014-11-20 11:03:25
i think its not if pro players cheat is how many of them do ....
2014-11-19 21:03:58
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2014-11-21 17:19:53
Fifflaren already told his opinion that he also think that there is a amount of guys cheating in the pro scene.

When i believe someone then its Fifflaren.
Never saw a CS player honest and realistic like him.

He would never trashtalk.

2014-11-19 21:08:37
where he talks about it bro? can u link me?
2014-11-19 21:14:19
ye but did he mean cheating on LAN or online?
2014-11-19 21:17:05
chrisJ, if you're reading this... YOU ARE NEXT.
2014-11-19 21:44:10
chrisJ is not using any cheats for 2 reasons:
1.He performs better online - that's because some people are made that way, they don't have any pressure from home while in lans they cant play to their 100%(don't take it personaly chrisJ its just a assumption)
2.If he cheated he would have cheated or used the same cheat in lans to and performed very well, as this blog stated that people also do cheat on lans,like emilio etc.

Post edited 2014-11-19 22:11:25
2014-11-19 22:08:45
Its a fact that a lot of semi - pro players chose easier way to get on top (emilio, smn, cly and God knows how much more players are cheating on the scene). This above remind me on lurppis article (major problems) when he accuse some people with "cant say source" excuse. I got point from your blog, but its kinda stupid to say for somebody that he cheats without much evidence. You know yourself, that there is a "busting" videos about you and your bff colon, so in that case, should you put yourself and him on the list? And other players who was accused that they cheated in past? I wouldnt disagree with fact that its possible that Apex, kqly, JW, kio, krimz, olof cheated before, when they was semi - pro players, but now its kinda late to talk about that. About JW, its good known that he was accused that he cheated (yap, he is monster now on Lan events), but that doesnt change a fact that he maybe cheated on some point in begining, or he just got infos from emilio/xelios (Well, 1 guy vac'd other ESL). For me, knowning that somebody cheating, and no saying word about it is equal to cheating (also, thats cheating from some angle). Anyway, it would be awesome if we can get names which VP players cheated, and evidence for all listed above, and other "suspicious" players.
2014-11-19 21:45:32
and then there's this to take care off :)

http://www.hltv.org/news/13632-the-lack-of-supervi..
2014-11-19 22:03:57
You have a good point, lets remember that pyth got banned for hacking and only got unbanned because getright tweeted that he doesn't hack. People think too much of NiP lets just remember that the M4A1-S silencer was based on their answers

NiP = Illuminati
get right will rule the world
rip world

but seriously though, why don't these lazy bastards check everyone before a match goes live?

2014-11-19 22:14:56
thats why nip losing =) ahahha
2014-11-19 22:24:15
Not so cool :(
2014-11-19 23:00:14
Wow this is like csgo's own Armstrong lie ;O

probably fake tho.
2014-11-19 23:29:40
We should start by setting an example.

What about molotoving smn irl?
2014-11-19 23:49:20
Had a weird dream the other night after i've started playing some CS:GO. Dreamt that it was possible to get some kind of cheat that could decrease the amount of "whiteness" the flashbangs did to you and that you could make a sound come everytime you pointed on an enemy, also through smokes and shit. Also had several other features, but cant remember them. I had the (undetectable) cheat, because every other pro player used it! Then I was like "HeHehEH IM GONNA BE THE BEST NOW MAN" - woke up, cried, played MM and ragequitted on stream.

Conclusion: Im psychic and can see the future. Going to sleep now, excited to see what I will predict next! Kapz0r
2014-11-19 23:52:17
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
2014-11-20 23:51:11
fragbite.se/fragtv/video/1952/olofm-vs-navi

shit video quality ? or he shoots right and killes left hs :D
2014-11-19 23:53:48
16-tick demos. That happens all the time if you check CS demos.
2014-11-20 09:22:47
if this used to happen in 1.6 also, i have just regretted my last 15 years

Post edited 2014-11-20 00:15:37
2014-11-20 00:13:39
+ freaking one~
2014-11-21 10:11:52
pistol? jumping with headshot is possible

when falling
2014-11-20 00:26:19
we already know jw has cheated in the past & playing with emilio who is still on a VACation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-8haSl9iG0

pyth cheating wouldn't surprise me either.

Post edited 2014-11-20 00:30:54
2014-11-20 00:29:25
+1 on the pyth comment, nothing personal against him but it wouldnt surpise me
2014-11-20 05:06:15
ahaha crZy ur so sad
2014-11-20 00:45:42
guess again, patience and wait, more names from that list gonna get banned
2014-11-20 19:43:27
Clean PC's at LAN + and HDMI recorder between the PC and the monitor would offer some protection.
2014-11-20 00:53:28
g fucking g
2014-11-20 00:59:44
This blog gave me cancer, it's just a bunch of " I think" and "what if".
2014-11-20 03:40:29
Well you know.. So many pro players busted recently. It's defenetly - "I think & What If" times now. This is all what we are capable of.
2014-11-20 04:35:37
ye it's okay to have "what if", but you can't accuse players without evidence. "GUYS WHAT IF JW GOT CHEAT, DUM DUM DUM"
2014-11-20 14:31:14
Thing is he actually did, in the past though.
2014-11-20 19:00:12
referees watching the individuals play
+
referees randomly testing/auditing the setup outside of games (during warmup maybe) - to check for sound esp, etc

the second is invasive, but perhaps necessary
2014-11-20 04:10:52
+1
2014-11-20 15:10:58
32kb exe, betting, what else? They fool us every day. I'm starting to think that some huge mastermind is behind all this.
2014-11-20 04:17:38
I think Valve should make a anti-cheat client special for all qualifiers and major tournaments wouldn't that be feasible??? If esea can make one why cant Valve??
2014-11-20 04:36:21
what olof his crosshair was like 5meter away from opponent but suddenly headshot proof his aimbot lol
2014-11-20 05:42:55
How can you prove anything with 16 tick demos? Flickshots look exactly like that and even if I'm a bad player that hasn't used cheats, I have demos looking like that.

I think Valve should address this by making some kind of tournament edition of software so that on tournament pc's only thing you can do is play CS:GO and login with your account only to access your player name and skins. And probably arrange the communication between team mates.
2014-11-20 09:20:32
crzy being a fuck boy
2014-11-20 10:13:05
Just crzy things..
2014-11-20 10:35:55
rumors only... please close this shit
2014-11-20 11:12:23
after like 20 seconds of googling, i found this:
http://www.hexui.com/hexui-csgo-external-triggerbo..
just dont know how legit this one is. but this just confirm how easy it is to get it. though I know the pros won't use that easy to find cheats, but still.

also after watching m0e stream i found aimware.net
2014-11-20 12:11:02
Wouldn't it be funny if guy/guys who developed those cheats that people use these days would develop anticheat that detects these hacks? I think it would be pretty funny.

But on the serious note, I believe that there should be actions to do all that takes to prevent cheating especially at LANs and of course online too if possible because I think its just too easy to cheat these days in this game. And I have my own experience in counter-strike genre (+10 years now) so I think I know thing or two about this game.


I can't say these pros use cheats or not but I'm open minded about it, because you never know can you?
2014-11-20 12:12:32
+1, exactly..
2014-11-20 14:58:27
Already been done with the guy who created EAC. he used to design private cheats
2014-11-20 18:03:08
Yeah true. Too bad we don't live in the perfect world. Someone creates anticheat and after that makes private cheats to sell them. Sad in my opinion but that's just how it goes I guess. Money rules the world and so on.
2014-11-20 18:45:12
Best part was him selling private cheats to his own AC.
2014-11-21 17:12:01
hahahahha, it would be funny that NiP is not bad but top-teams players are cheating :D:DDD
2014-11-20 12:39:42
people need to stop being so naive about everything,most of u think that "naah they are pros, there is no way for them to cheat" which is very stupid, u will be very surprised soon imo (im not saying that u should believe this smn's statement or whatever)
2014-11-20 12:51:32
you don't know the meaning of naive if you think that just going by the word of a cheater you could say that players from the top3 teams in the world are cheaters, that is in fact is being naive.

it's just way too easy for you guys to accuse these people who are very much lan proven.
2014-11-20 15:14:50
So what about ScreaM ? At the light of what baptistuta said, he appears to be the first one i'd suspect to cheat.
2014-11-20 12:52:44
area is better LOLOLO
2014-11-20 12:56:30
Yep i got no doubt on area now, i was mitiged first. Area and scream are unhuman sometimes.
2014-11-20 13:10:40
so scream 90% headshot can be .........
2014-11-20 13:30:09
Many of pros use cheats. But who cares? Lance Armstrong story - everyone knew, but....
2014-11-20 14:04:59
I'm in shock after reading.

If this is happening, something has to be done asap. This is like the dopping cases in professional cycling. Firm hand on this issue please.

Now comes to my mind:

- Now we know why NiP are falling apart?
- Olof jumping shots wasn't real? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpfpq3V_t98 ?
- That friendship between french and polish pro players is a cover?
- How the fuck Valve does nothing about it? Not even a statement?

This is awkward as fuck.
2014-11-20 15:10:06
:D :D Made my day.. So you think that Kioshima is cheating right? He already shown on LAN aswell he is good player and not only like 5th player to count of. Well, in my opinion GTR, GuardiaN, F0rest have to be cheating aswell, go ahead and let´s prove it.
2014-11-20 15:28:36
Obv some retard made this thread..
2014-11-20 15:38:36
Good Job on the article, only one questions that comes up for me is. When and where did smn admit he cheated and had the balls? Maybe im wrong but could you plz give me a source for that bcs i havent found one. What i read so far is that he tried to protest and there is an official statement of him saying that he didnt cheat in esea. So?
2014-11-20 16:11:27
olof cheat confirmed
2014-11-20 16:16:06
I remember Alternate Attax winning cph games in css, and a danish line-up suspected cheats... i belive it was gla1ve or pimp :)

soooo, i'm pretty sure smn were a part of Alternate Attax at that time.. what if they were cheating? and have been cheating ever since?
they won alot of money at that event... and they got away with it. (anyone confirm?)
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What if we give confirmed cheaters a punishment, like they have to pay 50k$ if they get caught cheating... I'm sure this this make them think twice, if it's worth it or not.
2014-11-20 16:24:47
Pay 50k$ to who exactly? Valve?
2014-11-20 17:57:24
yea why not... money direcly to the prize pool
2014-11-20 19:07:48
Except from the name dropping, im backing this up!

http://www.hltv.org/blog/8953-backing-the-cheat-ac..
2014-11-20 16:30:18
Well... so -KQLY who other will come?
2014-11-20 18:57:42
ScreaM
2014-11-20 19:08:55
1st name on this list down, will the rest follow? =x
2014-11-20 18:58:34
KQLY is gone...
2014-11-20 19:00:12
hehehehe
2014-11-20 19:01:32
tell us who is next :D
2014-11-20 19:32:07
Hvor det vigtigt :D
2014-11-20 19:37:07
WHOZE NEXT CHEET POLICE LEGEND PLS
2014-11-20 22:33:00
Bump
2014-11-20 19:01:51
what the shit :D
2014-11-20 19:02:10
-1 kqly
2014-11-20 19:02:28
-KQLY, who's next?:D
2014-11-20 19:04:05
-KQLY

wow

suddenly this post has a frightening amount of credibility to it
2014-11-20 19:11:01
my thoughts exactly, its god damn scary but we need to clear the table from this scum once for all
2014-11-20 19:49:43
-KQLY +ScreaM
2014-11-20 19:18:33
-KQLY +ScreaM
2014-11-20 19:31:35
VAC'D
2014-11-20 19:31:52
BTW who remembers that 1v1 of KQLY and pasha on d2 and his jumping usp 1shot?:D Now we know what kind of luck was that:D
2014-11-20 19:33:43
vp players are on that list too :)
2014-11-20 20:02:04
so what? This is 1 name out of 10, but still we cannot be sure if we can trust that list. Smn said himself, that this list wasn't made by him, as crzy said in this blog
https://www.facebook.com/strux1/photos/a.131505783..
2014-11-20 20:05:24
im from germany and i watch strux1 stream right now and stavros told him the list is from smn ;)
2014-11-20 20:21:36
it's gonna be interesting then:D DreamHack makes sense now

Post edited 2014-11-20 20:23:04
2014-11-20 20:22:36
smn also got vacbanned today, which means crZy was correct, smn and KQLY used same hacks


http://steamcommunity.com/id/donnerdeagle
2014-11-20 19:33:51
good for us
2014-11-20 19:37:28
VACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC
2014-11-20 19:36:29
for sure OLOFMEISTER cheat !
2014-11-20 19:36:38
KQLY :DDDDDDDDDD
2014-11-20 20:06:45
KQLY banned rofl
2014-11-20 20:14:01
oh boy, oh geez, oh man, things are getting freighting :(
2014-11-20 22:23:27
-KQLY, who's next?
2014-11-20 22:23:42
*** Please read this, because what I found in that video is really a proof that he is infact cheating ***


If you play&pause repeatedly on the second hs when it is shown in slowmotion you can clearly see that it is the FIRST shot that kills which is BEFORE HE EVEN MOVES THE SIGHT.

That's just insane... How is that even possible with USP that barely shoots that fast? I mean, jump, shot that fast and kill with the first shot before he even flicks? I mean, i cant find words...

At first, and ever since I first saw this video i thought that both hs were 1 taps, but now when i looked at it again (first time i see slowmotion), i saw this.


After seeing this, I'm just stunned. There is no way in hell i believe that this was just the once in a lifetime luck...

Aslo on the first HS he is instantly trying to cover for the flash. He does that so fast I even started to think a triggerbot was behind the first one and that it just came to unexpected. Because he instantly makes an almost 180 aiming down after the hs covering for the flash.

Post edited 2014-11-20 22:51:29
2014-11-20 22:48:28
Fucking LOL. If a second person gets banned from this list, it's over.
2014-11-20 22:56:34
HOW TO PREVENT CHEATING ON LAN

1. Valve makes a LAN version of CS:GO.

2. LAN matches must be played on computer provided by the event host.

3. The computer is locked with admin rights in a way that CS:GO starts when windows starts and if the players try to tab out to windows or CTRL ALT DELETE, they are prompted with admin logon.

4. The players play, 100% cheat free.


Why hasn't this allready been done?
2014-11-20 23:04:25
tbh it would still be easily hackable. programs via usb. hacking is stronger than you think. they can actually become the god of a pc. too lazy to explain.

they should create an operating system, just for csgo, just running csgo. that would work.
2014-11-21 06:31:08
i wonder what these cheating "proplayers" think at the moment if they are reading this
2014-11-20 23:32:07
n1 blog ty for helping to community clear this cheaters. i think more player gonna vacation from this list.
2014-11-21 01:11:19
GG SF
2014-11-21 06:32:21
It worries me that you all know the names of all these cheats... I don't know the name of even one :S
2014-11-21 12:02:01
u are gurU
2014-11-21 12:44:59
They put us a situation which is idiots. We've watched their streams, matches, demos. And As you told they've earned lots of money. :S

And there is no sanction for gettin back money.
2014-11-21 13:17:49
N1 crzy
2014-11-21 13:47:36
nothing to do
we came to a point where a very skillfull player with cheats can play like he has none. thats the problem
2014-11-21 17:16:11
KQLY OUT ARVINO IN
2014-11-22 03:35:53
people are going to end up missing and having their dead bodies discovered over this shit XD
2014-11-22 07:17:50
olofm cheats!!!!
2014-11-23 03:03:30
+ krimz
+ flusha
2014-11-23 03:09:44
I have some suspicious thoughts on pyth, he has a second account he used once for stream, I asked to join. At the time I just thought.. well thats just how the pro's perform at all times but now with all the accusations I looked back at the match and there are some really sketchy moments.
First of all hes afk alot, that could be something completely normal but his performance changes alot during the game, at the start he doesnt hit anything but midgame he goes crazy. Again, something that is normal from time to time.

Second, there are times when he sprays at one guy it flicks to the other guy if he is in a range around his crosshair. Looked fishy to me, but idk might be luck.

If he is cheating I think its only on this account maybe he just tried it out on a new account idk.

Post edited 2014-11-23 23:37:36
2014-11-23 23:37:00
crZy is that the same guy that played with zaider? yup:
http://esportsearnings.com/tournaments/6156-f3-aca..

http://www.hltv.org/news/7439-moxxi-zaider-banned-..
http://www.hltv.org/forum/624542-zaider-vac-banned


and now crZy is playing with colon and germans right? lol..
2014-11-25 16:48:33
so many names on ur list doesn't cheat so i dont know where u got this from
2015-05-28 14:12:32
lel
2015-08-26 00:49:47
#994 <3
2015-10-25 18:37:47
so everyone in fnatic is cheating except pronaX :dddddddddDDDD
2015-11-03 18:57:56
xdxd
2015-12-12 23:30:04
Nice blog :) so many comments though haha
2015-11-04 05:32:56
cool
2015-12-17 22:44:39
BUMP
2015-12-17 23:06:16
+1
2016-02-12 15:05:38
BUMP
2015-12-17 23:07:48
bump
2016-01-21 14:38:59
Cheating is becoming a serious issue not only on professional level but also on GE matchmaking. In 3/5 games we get some fishy players. I think Valve should take some decicions like using the big tax they take in the marketing transactions and using it in developing a better anti cheat system. One thing i think they should also take in consideration is rising the price of csgo for 60 euros. That would make people less willing to cheat and make people care more about their account. OW is ridiculous now. Why not hire some people to monitorize matchmaking games ? Stop ruining the sport we love
2016-01-21 14:52:36
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbx7QiRw0Ng

there you got last fodder video when VACCED live yesterday xD

Post edited 2016-01-21 14:55:17
2016-01-21 14:55:00
Fooder
2016-02-12 15:53:44
we need ban flusha
2016-02-13 11:50:20
+rep
2016-02-13 11:50:56
Depends on your definition of cheating.. the boost on overpass that fnatic did was considered such.
2016-02-25 19:14:48
True. But the fnatic boost is a weak argument, because LDLC did a similar boost which was against the same rule...
2016-10-03 02:21:35
10/10
2016-10-02 22:22:35
gg
2016-10-03 02:19:05
is this list real??
2016-11-16 17:11:47
yes
2016-11-16 17:13:19
=o im calling the fbi now
2016-11-16 17:14:24
bump
2016-11-19 19:31:41

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