NBK about CS:GO
Nathan "NBK" Schmitt from the successful French CS:S team of VeryGames has posted an essay about CS:GO and the future of the FPS community.

Hey everyone !

Given the recent ESWC announcement, in which it has been announced that both CS and CS:S have been removed from the list of competitive titles and replaced by the new CS:GO, and the relative quiescence regarding this decision coming from the professional gaming scene, I believe it is time to speak up about it and form a new competitive movement; a new unity between the old competitive scenes of CS and CSS.

I would like to begin by putting the state of both CS and CSS in the right perspective compared to the current competitive environment within e-Sports: StarCraft II and League of Legends are currently on the pedestal in nearly every single league, cup or tournament in the world, while both CS and CSS have essentially been abandoned. To the all the optimists, who believe that both CS titles are still functioning and will manage to 'survive', I have the following to say: From my personal point of view, which I can assure you is completely unbiased and uninfluenced by sponsors, managers and so forth, both games have been dropped for a very good reason – BOTH GAMES ARE DEAD.

CS:S is left with EMS, the Copenhagen Games and the i-Series (the 46th edition being most likely the last to feature the title), and has only once been featured in the ESWC; even that I attribute to luck. Meanwhile, CS has been withdrawn from the IEM, the ESWC, and the WCG has entirely dropped its support of desktop gaming. There are no more major events featuring any of the two titles.
Starcraft II on the other hand is featured in the IEM, the recent and wonderful NASL and the GSL, and that is just to name a few of the best – this title is in the center of all attention. The best title to compare SCII with would be it's team-based equivalent that is League of Legends, which too is featured in the IEM, the MLG and all those 'crazy-money' competitions.

Which brings me to my next point: Why aren't we featured up there? Why are we left out?

None of us can be certain of the reasoning behind this, but I have a suggestion:StarCraft 2 and Leagues of Legend both have MAJOR communities, UNITED, which SUPPORT the game – they support their own titles, and do not spout abuse at other titles that resemble their own. The people follow the competitive scene, they live along with the matches and anxiously await for the games to begin on various streams, they show support and love to their favorite teams and players.
Do not get me wrong, I am by no means saying that this is not the case for both the CS and CSS scenes, however I do want to point out the fact that the CS titles' community members are outmatched 10 to 1, and as of now here, in the CS/CSS scenes, we do a whole lot more of flaming and angrily dribbling over our keyboards over nothing of real value to any of us.

I believe the time has come for both the CS and CSS communities to unite under a new title, and for both of our communities to show that FPS titles are not dead, but are still alive and kicking. It is time for us to show that we, the people, can reinstate the old e-Sports dominance of FPS titles, and there is only one thing we can currently rely on to help us in the progress: CSGO . If I could have written “CSGO” in all-caps, size 46, pink-blinking letter font I would have, trust me.

A lot of you have already given this title a shot, and – unfortunately – many have already criticized it before even giving it a fair chance. “CS:GO is sooo crappy, I'll stick with CS:S!” is not the thought that you should be having, nor the attitude that will benefit the development of CSGO as a competitive e-Sports title in any way; lastly, it won't help your beloved CS or CSS either. All you are doing is attempting to mask the inevitable entrance of CSGO into the international e-Sports scene, and portraying the whole FPS-scene as a bunch of arrogant and ignorant brats.
Sure, CS:GO is a different game. Sure, it has modern-looking graphics and is less 'clean' in terms of all kinds of junk spread across the maps to give them atmosphere. Of course, it does not look like CS, nor does it look like CSS. The game-mechanics, such as the movement and recoil control are also different. However they are meant to be – this a new game, no matter its resemblance to the past Counter-Strike titles, and it is a game with the ability to bring FPS gaming back to life. I believe the gameplay lays at an edge between the mechanics and gameplay of both CS and CSS. The resulting gameplay however is actually a new one that is still IN DEVELOPMENT, and we as members of the competitive e-Sports community must adapt OUR 'game' to the title, not vice-versa!
We are the people who have to show that this title is capable of incredibly entertaining matches, we are the people who have to unite as one and help one another to create a respectable, loveable and influential e-Sports community. We must understand that the future of the game is for a large part dependent on us, much like it was the case with both SCII and LoL.

CS:GO is a new game, and will – by all means – influence the future of all new FPS titles given the current e-Sports environment and the popularity of FPS games at events. Sure, I think that many people are going to criticize me because of the choice I am making, but my choice has been entirely thought-through – was yours? Is it not more interesting to follow the MLG, or to watch the ESWC in action, than almost any other LAN without a real FPS 'title'?
CS:GO has the ability to partake in all of these leagues, to be part of all the events and matters in e-Sports, but the game and its developers in no way can achieve this alone! The community must trust the developers to listen to the people playing their game, we must trust ourselves to be unbiased and thoughtful in the process of submitting feedback and sharing our views. The community must also trust the professional players and teams in their views that – given the fact that we are the people who know your beloved CS and CSS through and through – CSGO has a genuine potential of a great future.
We are by no means a set of conservatives, nor are we purists – we have seen the future, and we are ready to see the nature of FPS evolve, we are ready to see our FPS titles change in gameplay and content, and we are ready for our FPS titles to become great once again; this future we cannot achieve alone.

For this vision to become reality we require an unanimous reaction from all the communities, from all the teams and players, we NEED every single one of you to give CS:GO a chance before you drill it into the abyss which it does not deserve to see, even though we do understand your fear of its failure. The very first CS:GO match ever has over 1.2 million views on YouTube. The enthusiasm regarding this game must continue to develop, it must snowball and turn into a force of nature in order to keep the developers and all those who support the game, be it financially or otherwise, motivated to turn this title into a milestone in the history of e-Sports and FPS titles in general.
Not only are the fat-cats from CSS supporting this motion, the giants from CS are also present (take Get_Right, Xizt, Neo, LoordB and Delpan to name just a few), and this shows a real change in the general mentality and spirit within the competitive community, as well as its strong will to evolve and advance!

A very great future of competitive FPS-titles and e-Sports is within our reach, and we must all unite in our enthusiasm and readiness to play a role in this future – from the casual players to the hardcore gamers, from your typical guy to your typical lass, from a small-time sponsor or investor to Wall Street-like business-giants: We need EVERYONE to give CS:GO a shot it truly deserves, and only then will we all see our wet-dreams come true.

I really do hope you understand my view on this, and I hope I can count on you to make CS:GO evolve into the right shape. Show all the nay-sayers the flaming passion we still possess and the power we have - when we stand united - to hit the scene with what is likely to lead to the birth of the single greatest competitive FPS title ever: Counter-Strike: Global Offensive.

Via his facebook page - https://www.facebook.com/nathanNBKschmitt
(306 replies)
Created 2012-07-17 19:36 by: L[]C[]
Well , if it's from a CS:S player , we don't give a shit :)












WE DON'T CARE ABOUT CS:GO
2012-07-17 19:49:58
it doesn't matter if it's from a CSS player you fucking moron

besides other cs 1.6 players support csgo have you even read the article?

" Not only are the fat-cats from CSS supporting this motion, the giants from CS are also present (take Get_Right, Xizt, Neo, LoordB and Delpan to name just a few) "
2012-07-17 20:04:15
taz stated that they would rather start playing LoL as a team than CS:GO so you can exclude Neo and LoordB
2012-07-17 20:13:41
Yes, but in a interview took on Taz, I think at WCG, they said that they will play CS:GO if its necessary :)
2012-07-17 20:15:52
Only when tournament will pay good money.
2012-07-17 20:23:11
Valve has money they will make a big tournament just like they did with Dota 2 with that 1M tournament.
2012-07-17 20:27:33
source?
2012-07-17 20:34:32
source of what? valve are investing a lot in CS:GO. Do you think they created this game for fun?
2012-07-17 20:38:11
valve dont even need to do that , already CSGO is listed as a game for eswc ...by the time its released it will be featured in alot more tournaments, as far as this goes CSGO is already a success , it just needs some updates to fix some stuff ..

but its not a "shit game" like some people are calling it ..its just different ...source is a shit game ...bad strafing, bad recoil, bad movement overall...
2012-07-17 20:46:15
Here is what roman wrote:

"Valve has money they will make a big tournament just like they did with Dota 2 with that 1M tournament."

I just want a source saying that, because I read many times valve saying they won't do it.
2012-07-17 21:03:51
I just made an example of what they did with the sequel of an old successful game just like they did with Dota they would do with CS just to make it successful.. Doesnt matter 1M even 100k it will still be better than 1.6/Promod and teams will switch plus ESWC already said they would do a side tourney with CS:GO, IEM will probably pick it since ESL is organizing CS:GO tourneys when one major tournament picks it the other will follow up right away.
2012-07-18 00:10:18
Ok, now I see, I asked for a source that Valve will make a big CSGO tournament because I read that valve won't do it
2012-07-18 00:15:20
1. Valve won't host any tournament for CS:GO. They said this in several interviews.
2. After Carmac's interview we all know what CS:GO needs to get a main-titel of the IEM and after the announcement of CS:O2 I highly doubt to see a professional CS:GO team from Asia.
2012-07-18 00:21:35
damn i hope you're wrong. I miss so much asian teams in cs this days.
2012-07-30 06:52:44
No, they won't and they said this like 10 times.
2012-07-17 20:48:04
I can't believe that you still fap to the one sentence they said in an interview months ago. They wouldn't play LoL obviously, it was just a statement that they didn't like the game at this time.
2012-07-17 20:25:02
a few days Neo even said he likes CSGO ....where are you making this up lol
2012-07-17 20:46:51
it's true statement.. i am not one of that CS 1.6 until death guys.. actually i support cs:go but it has to come through long improvement process and they have to start to listen to comunnity..i just stated something which was officially published.
2012-07-17 21:51:04
just STFU i think ur just talking to take our attention !! u make no sense go play CS:GO and close ur W.C :) maybe ur that kind of guys that shiver while playin 1.6 (no skillz - spray man ...) and u found what ur looking for in CS:GO nice so keep playin it and w8 for the legends from 1.6 to come and recrute you
2012-07-18 11:07:26
neo ? in interview he say LoL is better game than cs:go

Post edited 2012-07-18 18:28:07
2012-07-18 18:27:58
get_right, forest etc have practically said exactly the same, infact i know get_right supports this, so thats from a 1.6 legend, care now?
2012-07-17 20:20:02
a show match played just once doesn't mean switching from 1.6 to GO and for the love of god stop beiing sooo stupid :) they said in many threads that SK will be a CS:GO team and ur famous get_right said that it's not true so ... don't be stupid once again ;)
2012-07-18 11:02:20
Seriously something is wrong with you....
2012-08-12 12:02:58
How do you feel now?
2012-08-12 17:02:28
See? This is the kind of attitude that killed CS:S and is killing 1.6. Give the game a fucking chance or else all you will play is MOBA and RTS games in the next 10 years.
2012-07-17 20:28:49
His statement was totally ridiculous but I don't get your point:

"Give the game a fucking chance or else all you will play is MOBA and RTS games in the next 10 years."

Why? You only play a game if it has a competitive scene?
2012-07-17 20:37:54
Well, what i meant is that competitively the biggest games will be RTS (SC2) and MOBA (Dota 2 & LoL) since the FPS scene is dying. So, you need to give CS:GO a try or competitively the FPS scene will be SHIT.

Of course, you can always play casual fps games, but you will have no competition.
2012-07-17 20:41:10
thats exactly what kills cs. you get forced by your friends the hype or what ever to play something you dont like. you would even play moba/rts games? facepalm. he plays what he likes thats the point. you act like his opinion is wrong and yours right.

Post edited 2012-07-18 02:08:11
2012-07-18 02:07:06
Im sorry if i want to play a FPS competitively. Yes, he is wrong, look at how many comments agaisnt him are here.. No friend of mine convinced me to play CS, but we need to convence people to play CS:GO if you want it to succede since 1.6 is dead. I want people to try GO at least because most retards here saying the game sucks never played the game, besides, im not telling you to play it, im telling you to at least TRY IT.
2012-07-18 02:46:51
hahahahaha +1111
2012-07-18 01:17:43
Speak for yourself
2012-08-12 12:06:06
by: RayX
#2
i think he is right...
2012-07-17 19:52:17
i think he is right...
2012-07-17 20:09:55
i think he is GeT_RiGhT...
2012-07-17 22:04:42
haha
2012-07-18 18:28:25
haha #2
2012-07-22 01:02:18
by: jlp
#3
Ok, sure, lets unite the communities, when there is a decent game to do this, not this crap that they call cs:go
2012-07-17 20:00:17
What a pathetic wall of text.


First we should have a good game, then we can talk about blindly supporting it.




Post edited 2012-07-17 20:05:39
2012-07-17 20:02:57
^this
2012-07-17 20:25:16
Original CS had tons of patches, there is a reason it's called 1.6
2012-07-17 23:39:41
They got both source-codes (the one from 1.6 and the CSS) + 12 years of observation and it's not like they had to reinvent the wheel.

+ #136


2012-07-17 23:50:37
^this
2012-07-18 06:07:31
CS:Source as well and it is still garbage that no one wants to play competitively =)

in fact, CS:Source is still being patched and still is terrible :D
2012-07-17 23:56:14
if get_right would of written this article you retards would of had a different answer ...but because a CSS player wrote it all you retards do is flame flame flame


this community does not deserve progress...you are all ungratefull kids....just like nbk said...
2012-07-17 20:05:29
1. No.
2. HF being banned.
2012-07-17 20:06:25
by: jlp
#10
"Sure, CS:GO is a different game. Sure, it has modern-looking graphics and is less 'clean' in terms of all kinds of junk spread across the maps to give them atmosphere. Of course, it does not look like CS, nor does it look like CSS. The game-mechanics, such as the movement and recoil control are also different."

Oh, this games sucks and i dont like it, but im moving to it because i wanna be part of a big community hihihihi

Are you retarded? Most of 1.6 players dont like it because it sucks, not for any other reason
2012-07-17 20:08:58
No, most 1.6 players dont like it because all you want is 1.6. THE GAME IS DEAD, face it!
2012-07-17 20:30:33
face that CS:S was never alive to start with, why would CS:GO be better for the 1.6 community being a complete copy of CS:S and suck equally and even more in some aspects (FOG).
2012-07-17 20:57:51
If you think CSS was never alive, sure, i wont argue on that. I know you 1.6 fanboys are, but thats not the topic. Well maybe because next year 1.6 wont have any big tournaments? I dont even know why you asked that lol
2012-07-17 21:31:25
Do you really carry on about fog.

IT DOESNT EXIST IN COMPETITIVE MAPS WITH _SE NEXT TO IT... GET THE FUCK OVER IT.... MY GOD MAN.
2012-07-17 22:47:33
cs:go is not even competitive, doesn't matter how you call the mode, the game is garbage atm.
2012-07-17 23:53:52
Unbelievable... then actually suggest in a constructive way of how to improve the game then.

REMOVE FOG... isn't constructive, because they have designed maps like d2, nuke, train all of which that are called de_dust2_se are all competitive based, have removed the crap, and no fog.

However, if you feel something else needs to be addressed, perhaps do it in a constructive manner, Valve can look at it, and then aim to improve it.
2012-07-18 00:08:43
take a look at my steampowered forums account.
2012-07-18 02:10:45
.......
2012-07-19 01:22:09
+1
2012-07-18 11:19:18
You must put the scenes together, if you want to have a game like 1.6 was 8 years ago...
2012-08-12 12:05:14
there are thousand of casuals playing CoD, BF, CrossFire and other non competitive FPS games, most of them will be interested in at least try to play CS competitively.

CS:GO just needs to feel right for the community that lasted 12 years as a solid FPS eSport.

Post edited 2012-08-12 19:22:54
2012-08-12 19:22:06
no,the game sucks,its unskilled
2012-07-17 21:31:04
Then dont play it, no one obligates you too.. But one thing is sure, you wont play 1.6 too, at least with people LOL
2012-07-17 21:32:48
"But one thing is sure, you wont play 1.6 too, at least with people LOL"

I think you're lacking some sense of reality here mate. Do you really think all the +50 thousand players on steam plus the thousands of players on non-steam cs will simply disappear with the release of CS:GO? You can see you're wrong just taking a look at most the comments here bashing the game(I'm not saying they're right or wrong, I did not try the game yet).
2012-07-17 23:08:06
Competitively yes, 1.6 will disappear.
2012-07-18 00:26:57
just proves that the cs:s community and players are dumb fucks who would bend over for big corporations. why would ANYONE play or do ANYTHING they do not like? i don't get this mentality. grow some balls. this is the only reason why i support csp because they are doing it for the community.

also it doesn't make sense if vavle says that cs:go wasn't created to replace cs1.6 and is suppose to be a new game, then why the hell would they even want feedback from the cs:s and 1.6 pros/community when the feedback will only be again divided with source and 1.6. valve doesn't care about our counter-strike anymore.

they just want to start over with a shit game to rebuild a new cs:go community because they know 1.6 is slowly going away and cs:s is just broken. they just want to make money and thats all.
2012-07-17 21:08:43
That is rich coming from you.....
2012-07-17 22:43:12
Most 1.6 players didn't even try the game. Including me, but I don't draw stupid conclusions.

Post edited 2012-07-18 02:02:26
2012-07-18 02:02:02
if NEO did, yeah maybe. But if GTR had said that, he would have been flamed even harder than NBK
2012-07-17 20:48:25
+1
2012-07-17 21:52:48
looool
2012-07-18 11:17:49
If it was get_right who's writing this thread i would say : WE DON'T CARE ABOUT CS:GO , then what ?
Such difference between 1.6 and GO like the difference between seas and skies
Kids like you make me laugh x'D
2012-07-18 11:17:04
I read everything and agreed with some points. I think we can(not "must") at least give a chance to the game and help the developers to improve the game in order to have a final version we all enjoy and like, a final version where both CS and CSS communities can play together in peace(Amen!!).

But from my personal point of view, we should not feel forced to help developing the game, the game should create his own community instead of the community create the game; if we play it we should do for fun, nothing else, because we like it, and not for the future of fps.
2012-07-17 20:08:23
I have a suggestion? Why not go for CoD? If it's all about uniting communties, and not enjoying a good game with a good competition, CoD should be the best game. We'll attract a huge casual community!!

Nope. Playing a game just for the sake of playing it isn't gonna work. Sure, we can try it and give feedback - if we're allowed too. I've left A LOT of feedback, but the only thing im getting back is "its a new game, we dont want the exactly same maps as another CS-game" (which is funny, since the CS:GO maps are almost 1:1 copies of the Sourcemaps), "CS:GO is a skillfull and good game, it's done, you're overreacting", "FUCK YOU 1.6 ELITIST FOR WANTING GOOD MOVEMENT!!!" and stuff like that.

The CS:GO community and Valve simply doesn't want our feedback. Why take feedback of the hardcore community that won't be pleased until the game is near perfection when you can take feedback from casualplayers from a casualgame (CSS)?

Post edited 2012-07-17 20:11:20
2012-07-17 20:08:31
Already a lot of CoD players said that CS:GO is something what they ever wanted.
2012-07-17 20:10:27
A few of them yeah. But if it's just about the future of FPS's, playing CoD in the big tournaments would be A LOT better since it's a bigger franchise right now then the CS-franchise.

So, write wall of texts about saving the future of FPS's in esports with CoD instead of CS:GO as it's a smarter strategy ;) You don't care about the quality of the game anyways, so why not?
2012-07-17 20:13:00
I do care about the quality of games obviously. That's why I always played 1.6 instead of CSS and thats why I chose DotA instead of LoL. Everyone got different opinions btw.

Though the communities in 1.6 and CSS are just dead and they won't be alive again anyways. You won't get a game where you can shoot through walls and stuff again, we're in 2012 not in 2003 anymore. You know, the only thing who annoys people are the few facts like bunnyhopping, wallbanging and all this stuff, thats what 1.6 is about and guys like you who want to stick to 1.6 100% won't be fine with any new game.
I remember playing CoD with 5 friends on lan and it was fun as well, it's just a different game.

Post edited 2012-07-17 20:23:51
2012-07-17 20:16:25
Read #32
2012-07-17 20:44:43
CoD lans get 5k prizepots, you dont even get console in the newer versions......


no beta, just retard guns for kids on xbox
2012-07-17 20:29:50
yeah, but if the communities unite and play CoD, for the greater good (a big FPS-scene) then big tournaments will come, casual players will be attracted (and they will become competitive CoDplayers, as anyone can become good in that game A lot of casual codgamers will try their luck in the competitive codworld).

So CSS and 1.6 communitites, go support CoD, for THE FUTURE OF FPSESPORTS!!
2012-07-17 20:31:30
why would 2 CS communities support CoD ..a game with NO tactics ..when csgo is 90% identical to 1.6 and css ?

you are being ridiculous ...
2012-07-17 20:53:36
Your statement is false and you know it. You like to lie about numbers, 90% of tracers are gone, the game resemembles 1.6 to 90% etc etc.

No. Just no.

Post edited 2012-07-17 20:57:19
2012-07-17 20:56:35
Sometimes I'm really wondering if you ever played CS...
2012-07-17 20:57:19
Ok, first of all, CoD4 Promod has tactics, and even if it is normal competitive, second, I though CS:GO was garbage and it had nothing to do with 1.6? (It doesn't even feel like source, how can you say 90%), and finally, don't write about things you don't know about...
2012-07-17 22:10:12
and you can see a lot of them playing cs:go already
2012-07-17 20:57:38
Absolutely true.

I saw your feedback on the steamforums. I agree with everything you said. Unfortunately it was a waste of time since HPE ignored 99% of all feedback given.
2012-07-17 20:12:54
Yeah, it's kinda sad actually. I had really high hopes for CS:GO, thinking that they won't release it til' everyones pleased. Then they set the release date to 21st August and I realised that Valve, fucked up another CS, once again.

Tracers still in the game? I mean, come on, what the fuck are these fuckwads doing up in Seattle?
2012-07-17 20:15:23
Guys like you won't be fine until you get a game like Promod, who is just doing EVERYTHING to copy 1.6. Though it won't have success anyways.

With the stuff that they don't listen to the Community is kind of right but not 100%. They've changed a lot of stuff and they improved a lot since last august.
You say that they don't listen to the community because they don't add the bunnyhop stuff and everything that you probably wrote in your feedback. Why should they do it? They already implement bunnyhop though it's not the same like in 1.6 but still you can do some stuff with it.
2012-07-17 20:19:23
I basically wrote that I want every element to be skillfull, explaining why the current ones weren't and why the 1.6 ones where.

I stated "I'm fine with reinventing the wheel, but make it GOOD", or something along the lines, and that's what my standpoint is.

If you're gonna create a new game, make it good. If you can't - don't do it.

There are other ways to fix CS:GO, but the solution is NOT to dumb down, randomize, or delete 1.6 elements to make a cheap copy. What you need then is new elements (example, the molotov and the decoy grenade).

Right now it's just a bad copy. Throw in some new movementelements, nade throwingelements, a new recoilsystem etc, etc, and then i'm fine with change.
2012-07-17 20:24:24
I just don't understand Valve

They have cs 1.6 which needs some small fixes and changes but could practically be copied over to source engine and they would have a good game with huge community.

On the other hand they have dota, a map for wc3 which is extremely limited due to the old wc3 engine yet they decide to make a 1:1 port to source along with all the limitations that came with the wc3 engine.

That's what I call going full retard.
2012-07-17 21:39:56
So true.

The difference is probably that CS:GO is developed by HPE while the development of dota2 is lead by the guy who also made dota and who knows dota better than anyone else. HPE didn't even know what an eco-round is when they announced CS:GO...how should they be able to make "the best Counter-Strike of all time"?
2012-07-17 23:12:29
What kind of reasoning do you got there? Would it matter if a developer doesn't know what an eco-round is? Does the majority of cs gamers know what data structures are? Most of you aren't capable of fixing bugs in CS without the need of reinstalling it. And take note, HPE is a developer, not a gamer.


Acceptance is what CS:GO needs. If you guys stay ignorant you're going to hit two birds(CS:GO & CS1.6) with one stone, boom headshot. Hahahaha

Post edited 2012-07-18 08:19:05
2012-07-18 08:16:25
Yes, I'm not able to program a video game. So what? It's not on me do program a new CS, but on HPE. And yes, to create a worthy successor you should at least understand the main principles of the previous versions. They changed the money system, but obviously never understood how the hold system worked .... nc


ps: As long as CS:GO plays terrible I don't care about smashing it with a stone.

Post edited 2012-07-18 13:06:05
2012-07-18 13:02:02
Just one example of many: 99% of all people wrote "remove the tracers", they kept the tracers.


And what's wrong about recreating and improving 1.6's gameplay? Maybe it's not what you want, but it's exactly what we want. So stop crying like a baby just because some people got other preferences than you do.
I don't have problem with improving CS (what means change), but I don't agree with dumping down essential parts of the game for no rational reason.
Btw: Where is the real improvement? I'm tired of playing the same maps over and over again and I'm definitely not happy about playing those fucked up CSS versions and (from L4D imported) 1-bombspots-maps. Where are the new de_-maps? Why didn't they create some fresh new maps?

At the end it's just a low-budget console version of the legendary CS.

Like you I would love to see huge tournaments and an interesting EPS but first of all I want to play a great game.

Post edited 2012-07-17 20:33:38
2012-07-17 20:32:14
tracers are 90% removed ..i believe there still are , but not every single shot is tracer now ....they are hardly noticable
2012-07-17 20:39:41
I got 36h on CS:GO. Don't tell me the tracers would be "hardly noticeable" because that's just wrong.

Post edited 2012-07-17 20:45:30
2012-07-17 20:45:14
I notice them, and oh god they're fucking retarded. What purpose are they there for anyway? They aren't correct as the weapons are hitscan, it just messes with your recoilhandling.
2012-07-17 20:46:02
CoD?! I hope you are joking.
2012-08-12 11:58:28
" If it's all about uniting communties, and not enjoying a good game with a good competition, CoD should be the best game. We'll attract a huge casual community!!"

2012-08-12 14:15:26
Sounded like you would support this idea at the beginning.
2012-08-12 15:51:40
Haha, the first comment under this 'blog' is just epic. What did he say in his text about ignorant idiots, I guess there's one of them.

He's totally right with his written words and everyone who says the difference is just blind and ignorant. Though people hate on 'unknown' players who say that CS:GO is good because they're just not known. I've written already a lot of comments in CS:GO threads on here and always players were hating like 'We give a fuck' or anything but that's not even an argument.

'From my personal point of view, which I can assure you is completely unbiased and uninfluenced by sponsors, managers and so forth, both games have been dropped for a very good reason – BOTH GAMES ARE DEAD.' 100% agree with it.

So start to deal with a new game, it's time for changes. I'd love to see an EPS with many amateur teams fighting to join the EPS and stuff like this. Good memories, nowadays the CS 1.6/CSS scenes are just boring as fuck because you can't get into the pro scene anyways. Any of the Balkan topteams, african teams or whatever won't be pros anyways, the nowadays top teams are the last ones for sure. About 1.6 obviously.

Post edited 2012-07-17 20:13:24
2012-07-17 20:09:43
Thank you sir owner of the undeniable truth for opening our blind eyes and taking us out of this ignorant universe where people don't want to change to a game they actually don't like in order to save the PROMISING future of the whole FPS genre.

We are SOOO lucky to have you here

Now turning off the irony mode, I wanted to know from you, why are they blind and ignorant? Because they don't agree with the idea that we "need" to move to another game? A game they consider worse that our beloved 1.6?

A game is made for the players to have fun with it, but when a game makes you have more than just some fun it becomes something special, that's what happened with 1.6, THE GAME MADE THE COMMUNITY, THE GAME MADE A PROFESSIONAL SCENE. And you come here trying to make people change to a game that doesn't give them this special feeling with the arguments "the game is dead" "it's time for changes", sorry for you, it won't happen like this.
2012-07-17 20:59:21
lol, how can you not understand that if we dont change there will be no FPS to play?
2012-07-17 23:09:56
There will be no FPS for professional gamers, I play for fun, nothing else(like most of us). And as I can see in the biggest brazilian eSports site coverage (teamplay.com.br) there's still a big community behind 1.6, so it won't die very soon here. If this is not the case in Portugal I feel sorry for you.

But 1 question: Why there will be no FPS to play? Do you really think most of the 1.6 players around the world will disapear in blink of an eye with the release of CS:GO?
2012-07-17 23:28:57
You shouldnt because i dont play 1.6 . Godamn, do you want a good fps or not? you just seem not to care about the future of fps games. 1.6 is dead!

COMPETITIVELY YES, THERE WONT BE PEOPLE PLAYING.
2012-07-18 00:28:49
Yes, I want to play a good fps and, at the moment, this good fps for me is 1.6

If in the future I find a fps game that to me is better or at least close to 1.6 I'll play it.

I don't seem not to care about the future of fps games, I really don't care.

I don't play competitively, so I don't care about it's future. Is it fun for me to watch? Yes, but I fell better playing. And as long as there are people playing on pubs(and there will still be players for a long time) I don't worry about playing a "dead" game
2012-07-18 00:43:58
But in some months it wont be anymore since the competitve scene will be gone and with it most part of the people who play with you.

If you dont care why you post bullshit on this topic? thats so stupid LOL

Then dont post on this topic, omfg, if you dont care about the future of this game why are you even here commentating? :/
2012-07-18 01:03:55
When will you notice that the competitive scene has no influence in most of the players, do you think everybody is franchise fan? No, most of people here play 1.6 because the love the game, not the cs name.

And I am posting here for the same reason why you are here wasting your time with me, sharing my opinion, and I don't see any problem with it, do you?
2012-07-18 02:45:50
We are not talking about the other players, we are talking about the competitve scene ffs, i dont care about the casual scene, in one year, 1.6 is gone, thats what matters to me.
2012-07-18 03:18:47
"But in some months it wont be anymore since the competitve scene will be gone and with it most part of the people who play with you."

Only care about competitive scene... Yeah, I'm seeing

So that's your objective? Helping 1.6 to die faster? Good luck on it, 'cause you'll really need in order to make a die-hard community change to another game.
2012-07-18 03:48:03
I dont understand what you are trying to say in the first sentence. I didnt know you only play casual so.. the competitive scene dies = competitive players (larger part of the 1.6 community) quitting.

Helping it dying faster? LOOOL, 1.6 is already dead mate.. in the next year no big lan tournaments will have 1.6. What im trying to do is not helping 1.6 to die, what im trying to do is opening you peopel's eyes because you dont want to try GO, because you dont understand you cannot save 1.6 anymore, because i want an FPS title just as big as LoL or SC2. Im not aswering you anymore if you keep doing stupid questions or you continue to insist on avoiding 1.6 death.

If you dont care about 1.6 competitive scene, then your place is not on this topic.
2012-07-18 03:54:13
I think you don't get the meaning of competitive. A competitive player is that one who has a team and use to go to a LAN once in a while to play in a tournament(it's not a large part of the community).

Trying to make people try a game and trying to make people change to a game are 2 very different things. Imo everybody should try the game, give it an honest chance, but as you can see most of those who tried did not like it, but you guys keep insisting that they have to keep playing it cuz valve will fix it, cuz it's still in beta and some other excuses.

The same way you think it's nosense saying 1.6 is not totally dead yet(because there are still thousands of players playing it dayly on steam + non-steam), to me it's a bit of nosense putting all the hopes in a game still in beta just because it's a new game with the name "Counter Strike"(I'm not saying the game is bad nor it's good, I did not try the game yet and I'm willing to do it as soon as I'm able to).

I care about 1.6 competitive scene but, as you said, it's dead and I know it won't come back again. But I don't fell the need of having a FPS title in the eSport scene, I felt as long as it was 1.6 because that's the game I like, the game I play and the game that makes me have fun everytime I join a server.

2012-07-18 04:28:57
lol, are you kiding me? So now you need to go lan to be competitive? there are online tournaments, not just offline. Mate, saying a large part of the community of 1.6 is not competitive is like insulting the game. Just because in brazil there are few teams that doesnt mean it is like that in the whole world. Cs is dead in NA, it will be in europe very soon and SA will also suffer with it. But i kinda liked that joke.. you need to go lan to be competitive... You just need to have a team and work with them, thats a competitive player.

Most of the people here did not try it, thats why i want people to try it because if they dont, they will continue to say shit about the game just because they heard some retard's opinion.

So its not nonsense saying 1.6 is gonna be dead in less than 1 year? DH will drop it after this winter edition and after that what will you have? Some shitty local lans and thats it. Dont even go that way. Oh right, its nonsense to day that this Counter Strike might unite both CS communities just because its new and both games are dying? WTF dude, of course its not nonsense, you need to believe it is possible and try to make people play it as much as you can if you want to actually have a good Counter strike in the big stages of gaming.

You make no sense really.

First:
The same way you think it's nosense saying 1.6 is not totally dead yet(because there are still thousands of players playing it dayly on steam + non-steam)
After:
I care about 1.6 competitive scene but, as you said, it's dead and I know it won't come back again.

Second EX:
First:
I don't play competitively, so I don't care about it's future
After:
I care about 1.6 competitive scene

Youre digging yourself a hole mate, first you say one thing, next second youre saying another.
If you dont feel having a FPS title what are you doing in this topic? just fucking aswer that question, if you actually can LOL. Go away please, i dont care if 1.6 is the game you like, its dying and if people like me who care about a competitive FPS title want it in a big stage we must open people eyes and try to make them at least give GO a shot, because most people here are influentied by haters who actually never tried GO and just want 1.6, just like you did when CSS came out and had the big updates.

Understand one thing. I dont care about you or the brazil scene, or the casual scene. I care about a big FPS title that can match SC2 and LoL, and since 1.6 is dying and can no longer match those, we must make the last effort for CS:GO to actually try.
2012-07-18 05:51:44
People accept changes , even the ultra 1.6 nerds , believe me.
What people dont accept are awful games , and CSGO IS an awful game.

And btw saying : "many have already criticized it before even giving it a fair chance. “CS:GO is sooo crappy, I'll stick with CS:S"
dude , its a 1.6 website , post your wall of shit on cadred not here , thanks.
2012-07-17 20:10:10
I believe you didn't even realize that this guy just copied it from a facebook site. Also it would be a perfect article if there was mentioned 1.6 in that sentence, right? :-)
2012-07-17 20:11:39
Believe me , if only CSGO wasnt utter shit , that "perfect article" wouldn't even exist ;)
2012-07-17 20:18:56
It exists because ignorant people don't even try the game and the community is one of the worst of existing ones. Everybody is hating on each other and stuff.
2012-07-17 20:21:45
yeah , suuure , the community is so retarted holy shit , but hey lucky us PROJECTX is there , spitting on us , pathetic 1.6 players , from the holy heavens.
Guess who is the most pathetic in the story.
2012-07-17 20:24:51
Great read, this guy is right. Time for a change is needed. We are the bigger scene once we unite :).

i hope it turns out great.
2012-07-17 20:15:18
everyone is calling it an awfull game ....have you people even played it? it's already a huge improvement over CSS ..the movement is sharp and precise , the recoil is almost identical to cs 1.6 ...

what more do you want?? are you faggots really gonna refuse a game just cus it doesnt have crouch-hopping? seriously?

also, this is still in BETA, and Valve IS taking feedback from players ..otherwise the movement and recoil would of NEVER changed from 2011 ...so obviously Valve is listening
2012-07-17 20:16:56
You're right. I've got the beta as well and they changed a lot of stuff already. Actually it's fun to play the game, it's just different.

Though people can't 'live' without getting a fully 1.6 copy. Won't happen anyways.
2012-07-17 20:20:52
I honestly doubt you played the game ...
recoil indentical to 1.6? sharp mouvement? Are you fucking kidding me right now?
I DONT CARE if the recoil is identical to 1.6 , I AND THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ONLY WANT A PLAYABLE GAME , EVEN FUCKING SMARTPHONE SHOOTMANIA IS BETTER THAN CSGO in terms of gameplay , and there are only 2 guns.
2012-07-17 20:21:37
Shootmania is a totally different genre.

The movement in CS:GO is quite okay actually, not that good as in 1.6 but it won't be like in 1.6 anyways.
2012-07-17 20:23:17
why would it has to be different? there's not a single reason to change what works.
2012-07-17 21:18:38
Because with more elevated graphics it would look prepostorous.
2012-07-18 11:00:38
have you even played competitive matches? the game is 90% 1.6 's gameplay ....what the fuck is wrong with your people ...its almost the same gameplay just molotovs and no duckjumping ...everything else is still there ...its just slightly different ....

1.6's gameplay was very differnet before 2006 ...there was no bunnyhopping or crouch jumping ... no one gave a shit then
2012-07-17 20:25:10
well thb I cant even imagine a competitve match is CSGO , I try as hard as I can , believe me , but the idea of a real 5v5 mr15 match on CSGO is just beyond me , sorry TT
2012-07-17 20:29:23
this is the problem ...people havent even tried the game ..and yet they say its shit ..

ignorance is what's killing the CS scene ...
2012-07-17 20:31:41
A couple of DM hours are enough to say if a game , especially a fps , is good or not .
You dont have to go into details , if so , then , the game is bad , that's all .
2012-07-17 20:34:54
with that logic ...not even promod cant replace 1.6 ,, cus it doesnt handle like 1.6 100% ..

you are ignorant ..you have not even played 1 MATCH , and you say the game is shit....this game has the potential to be more complex tactically then 1.6 ...but blind people like you only judge it from 5 minutes of gameplay

goodday
2012-07-17 20:40:50
bye , hope there is a non steam version of CSGO for ya ;)
2012-07-17 20:43:35
"cus it doesnt handle like 1.6 100%".
Tell me 1 difference.
I'm sure you haven't played the CSP 1.09 DM version a single minute.

btw. He never said anything about being an exact copy of 1.6. You made this up by yourself.
2012-07-17 20:54:57
If you say it's 90% 1.6 gameplay, you're either retarded or haven't played 1.6.
2012-07-17 20:47:05
ahahahahaha +1
2012-07-18 11:31:07
"1.6's gameplay was very differnet before 2006 ...there was no bunnyhopping or crouch jumping ... no one gave a shit then"


WTF...

That couldn't be more wrong. Yes, the russian walk got mainstream in 2006/7, BUT everything else was always there. You clearly haven't played CS before 2006. Bunnyhopping was even more popular before 1.6 (which came out in 2003) - especially in 1.3.


btw. it's more about the missing airacceleration than the number of jumps in a row.

ps: There is double-duck, russian walk, duck-jump, quick-duck jump, countduck-jump, .. but what the the hell is "crouch jumping"?

Post edited 2012-07-17 23:22:18
2012-07-17 23:18:12
by: jlp
#36
We got your point, stop writing every 5 minutes
but YOU ENJOYED THE GAME
UNDERSTAND THISSS

a HUGEEE part of the rest of the 1.6 community didnt like the game, deal with it, and you really expect us to change to cs:go just because "we need to unite the FPS community"? seriously, stop

2012-07-17 20:25:11
a huge part has not even tried the game ...they just see it looks like source and they assume it has the exact same movement and recoil , but it doesnt ..it feels alot more like 1.6 ...they are just too ignorant to give it a proper try ...if half the people even have this game a chance there would be more positive posts instead of "fuck csgo "posts
2012-07-17 20:26:56
by: Dare_Dev1L - HLTV.org
#39
Please watch your language I've had a few reports about you recently.
2012-07-17 20:26:45
Are you serious? This guy is constantly calling people retards and faggots and you refuse to delete his comments but my answer to Gumpster, where I explained him in a very long text how CS's player-mechanics evolved in the first 5 years got deleted because I wrote "by saying so you made you look like a newfag"?!
2012-07-17 20:42:55
i didnt directly call 1 person a fag....i was generalising ...based on the butthurt going on hltv for the last few months
2012-07-17 21:01:05
Doesn't matter. Behave yourself or stop writing comments.
2012-07-17 21:05:21
nope. i can write them without swearing no problem.....but telling people to shut up wont help prove you right...
2012-07-17 21:06:15
I'm just pointing out that you're acting like a 12 years old. No manners.
2012-07-17 21:09:07
And calling everyone with a different opinion and point of view as faggots won't help you prove your point either
2012-07-17 21:14:09
by: Dare_Dev1L - HLTV.org
#131
I have no idea what you're talking about and I didn't delete any answers to anyone. I am just giving a person a warning, I don't need to explain myself further.
2012-07-17 21:44:30
Okay.

Note to myself:
Calling other people faggots and retards only leads to a warning on HLTV.

I will come back on this.
2012-07-17 21:47:37
by: Dare_Dev1L - HLTV.org
#141
It leads to a ban, i'm just being sympathetic and giving him a chance to stop before I do it myself. Not everyone in the crew would give him the same chance, now are you going to continue stepping on my toes?
2012-07-17 22:19:56
No. All right :P
2012-07-17 22:22:26
by: Dare_Dev1L - HLTV.org
#144
Good ;), believe me I think of everyone here as much of a person as I am. I don't like to immediately ban without at least giving them a chance to know what they are doing wrong. I would want the same treatment if I was in their shoes, what if I was pissed one day and I called someone "idiot" while having a bad day? I'd hate to be permanently banned because of it. Anyway I gave him a warning, another time and I won't hesitate.
2012-07-17 22:31:31
It's okay. I was just upset because I wrote a wall of text some days ago (took like 30 minutes) and the comment got deleted because of 1 "not-so-friendly" word (am not even sure about that), while this guy is raging without any consequence.
But your way of giving a warning first is definitely the better way.

Post edited 2012-07-17 22:37:40
2012-07-17 22:37:03
by: Dare_Dev1L - HLTV.org
#150
That's unfortunate m8 but the staff isn't synchronized, so I honestly had no idea what you were talking about. In my perspective I was just doing my job and I got yelled at because of something else happening that has nothing to do with me :)


EDIT: What thread was it?

Post edited 2012-07-17 22:49:25
2012-07-17 22:48:48
It was in the news about the ESWC dropping CS. But it's okay. I'm over it.
2012-07-17 23:24:28
+1
2012-07-18 11:32:44
"the recoil is almost identical to cs 1.6 .."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH6Acpzurb0&fea..
2012-07-17 20:29:45
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4kXdHCFToM

im not making this up ...
2012-07-17 20:30:49
bunnyhopping is working fine ...that person obviously hasnt played the last update...
2012-07-17 20:37:04
Ok, but that person is me :E and I've played the latest update.

There is something like bh but it's hard to do more than 2 jumps.
2012-07-17 20:45:07
its not hard at all >.> its just more difficult to kinda reduce the ridiculous aspect of 1.6 bhopping ...

bhopping an entire map doesnt really make any sence ...bunnhyopping itself is only usefull for short durations to escape tight situations ...so you dont even need more than 4 hops

and the air-accel is good ...wich was the biggest problem in the past
2012-07-17 20:52:29
"so you dont even need more than 4 hops"

We can't even do this 4 hops.
2012-07-17 20:55:49
yes you can have you even watched wisenhunts vids? he clearly does like 8 consecutive hops with ease......
2012-07-17 21:01:43
You need to play and check it :)
2012-07-17 21:02:22
i did ..he does 12 consecutive hops .....they just are not as ridiculous and big like in 1.6 ....the point is to not have bunnyhopping move you 100% as fast as running .. they even capped it from making you faster

Post edited 2012-07-17 21:03:50
2012-07-17 21:03:06
It's not like bhop made 1.6 unbalanced...

Plus:
I bet you can't do more than 2 or 3 bhops in 1.6 if you're not allowed to use your mousewheel.

Back in the days everyone used the space-bar to jump and you had to work hard for your jump-skills. After kreedzing got popular every kid started to use the mousewheel to bhop. IMO it would be okay if binding jump on the mousewheel would be forbidden/impossible (only exception: kreedz-mod).

Post edited 2012-07-17 23:32:24
2012-07-17 23:32:01
the movement isn't that sharp. the recoil is definitely not like in 1.6. the maps are too blurry, it's hard to see. too much fog, too many details. we cannot spam. how can you play a game competitively if you cannot spam? you cannot even crouch peek, so basically the defender with the awp has a big advantage since he knows you can peek in two and only two ways : running or jumping.
2012-08-12 16:49:00
"both games have been dropped for a very good reason – BOTH GAMES ARE DEAD."

CS:S was dead some years ago, CS 1.6 is dying from this year.
2012-07-17 20:26:02
actually CSS , at the moment, is actually BIGGER than cs 1.6 ...sorry to say it ...i've never played a css competitive match ...but ive notice ALOT of CSS updates and coverage lately compared to 1.6 ....they are both dead ..but cs 1.6 just crashed ...css was never really alive anyway
2012-07-17 20:28:12
http://store.steampowered.com/stats/
and everyone know 1.6 never get updates , its not fuckinng rock science dumbass
2012-07-17 20:37:01
i didnt mean in-game updates ..i ment CSS is more active at the moment than 1.6 ..and has been for the last 6 months ....but both games DEAD compared to what they where 2 years ago
2012-07-17 20:37:47
by: jlp
#61
more active?
so its only in romania or you are high
2012-07-17 20:40:39
google the recent tournaments for CSS ....css has been way more active in LANS in the past time since 1.6 just DIED suddenly and has only appeared in like 2 major lans in 6 months ....im not saying css is alive , its not....its very much dead...but cs 1.6 is more dead... -_-
2012-07-17 20:42:06
http://imgur.com/mE7AC
2012-07-17 20:45:55
The recent Copenhagen Games was the biggest sourcetournament in two years according to Richard Lewis. Copenhagen Games for 1.6 was just a tournament among the others for 1.6, even tho it was the same prizemoney for both :-)
2012-07-17 20:49:56
actually here in Romania, there are max 10 teams of CSS :)
2012-07-17 23:24:59
by: Nix0n - HLTV.org
#82
I'd like you to point out those events then, online as well as offline, lets just say in 2012.

Not defending anything here, just stating you are wrong. 1.6 had IEM6 Kiev and World Championship in 2012, theres been Copenhagen Games, the $10,000 tournament at Inferno Online and DreamHack Summer. Lets not forget the many online tournaments.
2012-07-17 20:53:59
exactly.
plus the fact that ESEA is coming at the end of august, probably will give around 10,000$ every 2 months to the "pro" division. which is not that bad. it will, for once, unite european and north african players in one same anti-cheat platform, with media coverage, statistics, forums, etc.
2012-08-12 16:50:40
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8CLoqRrihQ

n0thing's opinion on CS:GO .....
2012-07-17 20:48:09

so basiclly n0thing said CSGO doesnt have to be as exactly as 1.6 , BUT the mouvements / aiming and general physix has to be modified XD
Do you really think his gonna say : sorry guys I earn my life through gaming and I have to say CSGO is a dipshit game. LOL
God admins ban this kid hes just spamming this thread with useless shit -.-
2012-07-17 20:56:32
i am allowerd to post my opinion just like you ....its a free internet
2012-07-17 20:59:42
yes you are, as long as you respect the other opinions and stop calling them faggots and retards as you've been doing
2012-07-17 21:07:57
You are the one who needs to respect him now actually. In these 2 posts he didnt insult anyone so your post is pretty useless.
2012-07-17 23:16:19
Show me 1 reply in this site where I disrespect someone. I always try to find a way to explain my thoughts without insulting anybody doesn't how much pissed of I get sometimes.

He didn't insult anybody in these 2 posts, but take a look at most of the others, he already received a warning by Dare_Devil because of his agressive and impolite attitude.
2012-07-17 23:36:26
i didnt say you did either? but that post is completely unnecessary since you already told him that in another post and because you're not a mod nor admin.
2012-07-18 00:30:05
"You are the one who needs to respect him now actually"

Yes, you did.

But why are you troubled with my replies to him? I'm not an admin but it doesn't mean I can't try to advice him to act with more respect to the users.
2012-07-18 00:50:55
Well, you didnt disrespect but your post is useless since he did not insult anyone. rofl, if you wanna do admin work then advice him in the post in question not on a post where he didnt do anything. understood? :)
2012-07-18 01:00:59
1.6 4 ever fuck CS:GO and CS:S
2012-07-17 20:50:52
Who? oh a Source player, who does he think he is to talk about the CS community, he's a source player, lmao.
2012-07-17 20:55:56
well for one thing he wants to unite both communities so we can ALL play the same game ...one of the reason cs 1.6 grew smaller was the separation of the community in 2 ....
2012-07-17 20:57:53
99.9% of source players are no namers in 1.6, I wouldn't say that was an important factor, I'd say people who play games for graphics are the problem here.
2012-07-17 22:43:43
CS 1.6 fanboism is beggining to sound like fanaticism to me ....even 1.6 professional players are supporting csgo like gtr,f0rest,xizt,neo,delpan,n0thing etc ...and yet you kids will never accept csgo even when it will be 99% identical to 1.6 in gameplay

heck ive played cs since 2001 ...and ive played nothing but 1.6 since 2003 ....and i for one think CSGO will be a success based on how much it changed from 2011 .... but you people wont ever accept a new game ....

Post edited 2012-07-17 20:58:49
2012-07-17 20:57:05
by: jlp
#99
OMG GET OVER IT
ITS NOT IDENTICAL
ITS NOT GOOD

Why do you wanna play CS:GO?
Tournaments

Im not going to play a game i dont like, for tournaments. You know why? Because if i wanna play competitive, i will have to play the game for some years, and how am i supposed to play a game for years if i dont like it?

If you wanna play it, ok, no one cares. But dont say we are fanboys and retarded because we dont like the game
So now please shut up, we got your point, you enjoyed the game

Post edited 2012-07-17 21:03:28
2012-07-17 21:03:04
if everyone can post their hate on csgo , i can post my support, i wont shut up ....no one is deleting people's posts where they spit on valve, the company that helped make 1.6 what it is today ...but i should be censored cus im support a game?
2012-07-17 21:05:22
"Valve , the company that helped make 1.6 what it is today"
can I make this my signature or something like that?
2012-07-17 21:08:29
:D
2012-07-17 21:10:36
by: jlp
#110
are you retarded?
you think that repeating that "you guys dont accept a new game, its 99% like 1.6, you are all kids blablabla" is going to make someone move to another game?

you commented 15 times and you said this in all of them, ok, again, we got this, but no one is going to move because you're flaming them and saying cs:go is good. cant you realise that?
2012-07-17 21:09:29
how can you say you dont like the GAME when its in beta? The game hasnt come out yet.
2012-07-18 01:56:11
Neo said he preferred LoL, delpan said he preferred CSPromod etc
CS:GO isn't a new game, it's a downgrade.
2012-07-17 21:19:13
you said it! the only wise guy here.
2012-07-17 22:50:03
CS:GO is not a new game,for million time.

CS:GO is for CSS,what CZ is for 1.6
2012-07-17 23:03:14
I'm agree with him just in some parts.. I have to say that I don't like CS:GO right now (but ok, it's in beta). The game is still in beta, but we're used to play both CS 1.6 and CS:Source and that's why we don't want a change.. but we need to face the truth and it's that both games are dead nowadays. I will wait until August, but i'm not expecting too much from it because Valve didn't hear us ;) Otherwise CS:Promod is the future of CS as a competitive title in the eSports, I hope that it will be released as soon as possible because it's a great game!
2012-07-17 20:59:34
disagree,
2012-07-17 21:05:05
my biggest problem with CSGO is the recoil. both tapping and spraying. and i seriously wonder why almost noone ever talks about tapping.

CSGO basically is a game of 90% bursting. for me this is gamebreaking. i'm bored by burst-only :/. tapping is more fun. i can imagine why potti is liking this game though. ;)




these things could theoretically be fixed, but the dev says

1) spraying is predictable and they want to see if we can eventually learn it (true, but it still feels more uncontrollable than 1.6/CSS and thus worse)
2) tapping won't be changed, cause i'm literally the only one to bring this up when i talk to the dev







i could live with all the other bad things in the game, but if shooting isn't fun, nothing is fun :/

Post edited 2012-07-17 21:14:59
2012-07-17 21:14:06
no your not the only one , I was amazed by the fact I CANT TAP ANYONE and it all come down to spraying , god this game sucks...
2012-07-17 21:15:50
the problem for me, is the same you say there, but i dont feel like it is cs at all, more like COD or battlefield... and that kills me, look at the map, the "bigger" the map, the more tactical you can be, but all the maps, they have shorten? for what reason? for the casual gamer, there just join, and want action from the start, så its been more of a hit'n run game, and i think its a shame, but seriously... i hope CS:GO fail.. becouse VALVE. its shit..
2012-07-18 11:30:48
That statement is nothing more than an utopic thought, both communities can't move to CS:GO simply because the things that made the players fall in love for CS and CS:S aren't there.

CS:GO needs a complete overhaul if it wants to last more than 1 year in tournaments, because at the moment the game is a disaster and an insult to the Counter-Strike legacy.
2012-07-17 21:15:40
by: jlp
#118
+1
The game is bad atm, people are not going to move so we can "unite and create a big CS community". The major thing about a big community, is a good and fun game, and cs:go isnt that.
2012-07-17 21:19:58
It's not a disaster at the moment, it's just different than what you enjoy, that's why most 1.6ers dislike it. Not saying you should enjoying, it's just true lol
2012-07-30 04:04:51
It's a disaster, after months in beta and weeks away from release, the game still lacks a solid community around it. Thousands of keys have been given and still the game never reached the 3,000 consecutive players (in +100,000 keys).

If a game is good competitively it will have a big community and tournaments during the beta, Starcraft, Dota and other titles proved that, CS:GO hasn't done any of that because there's no interest around the game once you test it and realize the game is a downgrade in quality to the other 2 competitive Counter-strike's.

The developers promised a good communication during the pre-alpha and beta and didn't delivered it. The game will probably receive one last update which will probably be the final version (the version that they will ship)

CS:GO has been a failure to assimilate what's good in the competitive scene, once the game is release the lack of tournaments and bad publicity won't bring new gamers after the initial hype.

CS:GO is a mediocre console shooter, the (forced) 5 vs 5 matches on the consoles and the classic gameplay style won't attract many new players.
2012-07-30 04:41:38
guys, the devs have ONE MAJOR MISCONCEPTION. there's one single reason why they make a shitty game.

they assume that most people dont want to switch away from 1.6/CSS. the dev said that to me. if we can explain them that they're extremely wrong and that the game could be a success with a major overhaul, we might end up with a good game.

but we'd have to protest really hard.
2012-07-17 21:21:26
Agree,its time to face it guys...cs/css are dead.
i hate cs:go,played about 1 week and its a shit game..but is the only chance we have to get back on track.



kinda disappoints me to know that valve is not giving the right support to the game that boosted their business.
2012-07-17 21:24:14
i think that this change is not so bad for the italian gaming, this is a chance to see our community growing again. After one month of playing , i can say that GO isn't a bad game. It's a mix between source, call of duty + new things. I love 1.6 but if you want to achive something by playing it need a change.. and that change is GO OR PROMOD. If you love so much 1.6 i can assure you that this game wont last one more year at competitive level and you can continue playing it for fun with friends. Give a chance to GO or stop comming here saying i don't care about this game...bieber's game or other nobrain phrases.. A lot of members of this community are saying that this game is for children....No its you that you need to go out to see that all in this world is about money..including valve's changes. Peace
2012-07-17 21:30:46
110% agree with NBK. Lots of players will move to CS:GO, even those who writes that they are not going to do it. Whats the point playing the game if there will be no tournaments, no gathers, no cm ?

Post edited 2012-07-17 21:33:14
2012-07-17 21:31:07
+1 i better play bf3 or call of duty if i want to play for fun than 1.6

Post edited 2012-07-17 21:34:21
2012-07-17 21:32:53
agree, but its been such a casual game, for the normal gamer, ofc they also need that in mind, but come on, I dont need to see how many points i got, in that game, i dont need to se medals? that i dont care about, but the new "small" maps, and the gameplay right now... fuck it.
2012-07-18 11:33:26
guess what...yesterday on origin '' if you preorder Medal OF Honor Warfighter you get early acces at beta of battlefield 4 ''....i'm so tired about these games right now....one year-one game..that's why they are 0 at competitional level... they didn't manage to kill 1.6 with their 'realistic-futuristic' games ...but the lack of sponsors and competitions did their job. i'm so tired of these companies...they only sell 20.000.000 of copies of a game...and after they sell you even the DLC's they announce the sequel. That's why we must wake up...enjoy the last tourneys in 1.6.. decide and unite for GO or promod for our future. That list is sad without a FPS game.
2012-07-18 12:06:24
by: jlp
#127
Whats the point playing the game you dont like?
2012-07-17 21:32:56
People play games because they are fun, the competitiveness comes after. Most of the active CS community (1.6/cs:s) only pubs, only a small percentage follows the pro scene.

I doubt you could play tetris 10 hours a day only because it had tournaments, you need to enjoy the game to play it.
2012-07-17 21:38:01
I think that after CS:GO release many public servers will be shoot down because admins will try to create public servers on CS:GO.
2012-07-17 21:52:16
#127 You shouldnt play the game that you don't like. But how can you say that you don't like the game if it's still in progress. Valve say'd that they will continue developing it even after release.

Post edited 2012-07-17 21:45:51
2012-07-17 21:44:17
When CS:GO was announced everyone said:
"Hopefully they won't make the same mistake as they made with CSS by releasing an unfinished product".
During the whole BETA stage people said:
"Don't criticize it. It's still a BETA".
Now people say:
"They will fix it after it got released".

...

2012-07-17 21:53:52
I'm not saying that they will 100% fix it, I'm just saying that they will continue developing and might fix it, and I'm just hoping that CS:GO will unite all FPS games community CoD, BF, CS1.6, CS:S and others to one huge community.
2012-07-17 22:07:32
yeah thats exactly what i fear. it will take another 3years till it gets decent. just like csp got stuck and css fucked up

Post edited 2012-07-18 02:15:14
2012-07-18 02:13:14
good point
2012-07-17 21:56:45
Ok, I'm really sad about what's happening to 1.6 (ex-player, got tired of hackers), but you ignorant a-h*les are starting to sound pathetic... Anybody who haven't tried the game yet should STFU about how crappy CS:GO is, and those who tried it, instead of complaining here, go to the steam forums and spam the hell out of it, if you wan't changes, you must work for them to happen... They won't change the game because 10 guys said it sucked, if 100 people have keys and think the game sucks, just go the the forums, write the reasons why you think it should be changed (don't sound like a CS:S/1.6 fangirl), get legit reasons, and try to open their eyes with well build sentences and facts/thoughts, and wait for the best... We all know things are looking awful for CS 1.6, and they have been bad for Source for a long while... CS:GO is what we currently have in front of us, and its up to US, THE COMMUNITY to make the changes we want happen... And brothers, don't forget there are a lot of source coders in this world, the same way CS Promod came to life, we could see a CS:GO modification with 1.6 gameplay, don't give up yet. :) Keep playing your game while you can, but if the day we must all switch ever comes, we'll all have to do it, even if it's bad or not... You should all at least work so when this day comes, you have a smooth transition. Help Valve and the community to build a future on CS:GO NOW! Get a beta key and spam the crap out of steam forums!

tl;dr: if you want to criticize CS:GO, at least be helpful and help Valve.

Post edited 2012-07-17 22:25:50
2012-07-17 22:24:53
totally agree with nbk.. can all you kids with no life stop flaming and instead try the game and try to give valve some feedback? this community rly starts 2 piss me off.
2012-07-17 22:47:28
+1
2012-07-17 22:57:46
natthan is amazing player with whole Verygames
2012-07-17 22:50:54
Stopped to read at half of the text... Do you know why SC2 and LoL community support their game? Because both SC2 and LoL are _FUN_ and _EXCITING_ to play/watch, and CS:GO is neither one of that. Do you know why we're playing 1.6? Because we're loving to play/watch it, its _FUN_ and _EXCITING_. I would never make a switch to CS:GO, only because "we must safe FPS!!!111". If I ever do that,it will be because I _ENJOY_ playing it. I understand that you're professional player,but fooling people like this...

Community does not create the game,game creates community.

Post edited 2012-07-17 22:56:50
2012-07-17 22:56:04
_YEAH_BRO_!!
2012-07-17 23:04:50
For me SC2 and LOL are NOT FUN and TOTALLY NOT EXCITED, TOTALLY BORING !
2012-07-17 23:06:09
_THAT'S_IT_BRO_!!!!!!!11
2012-07-17 23:53:29
fps games are dead or we met in cs:go or bye bye fps on competitive mod.
2012-07-17 23:08:00
I don't understand you people who hate CS:GO.
Why can't u see this game like a new beginning?
In fact, this is a new game, for us and even for the legends. Everyone has a chance to grow up and be famous with this new game.
This game will be THE SAME for all, stop complaining and go practice if 1.6 will dissapear from ESport tournament. You will now be at the same level with 1.6 stars. I'm pro 1.6, I wouldn't like to disappear this game, it's the best fps game I ever played. But I'm pro CS:GO too, because now its the chance for me and for all to step ahead with something. Maybe many of you will not agree with me, but I'm curious what will you do if CS:Go will grow bigger and bigger. Now its the chance for all, and I probably think that this CS:GO ESport scene will be the biggest ever, because it will be played by 1.6 players and even CS:S players will swap to CS:Go. If I'm right I hope I'll see new emotions, and big tournaments ahead with this new game.

PS: I'm not trying to convince you to play this game, everyone does what he wants. I'm just trying to make you give a chance, see what will happen on first or second or third tournament and then decide if you will play it or not. Thank you!
2012-07-17 23:18:37
cool story bro , btw im pro at angry birds does that count too?
2012-07-17 23:28:32
I'm sorry, I'm not fammiliar with Angry birds scene. I was talking about CS:GO
2012-07-17 23:31:25
When I was younger I had the monthly record on this game, maybe it can count too ;D

http://www.mousebreaker.com/games/parking/playgame
2012-07-17 23:41:47
for nothing wcg already dropped it :D and how do you call yourself a pro?

Post edited 2012-07-18 02:18:27
2012-07-18 02:17:43
he ment he supports 1.6 (is pro for 1.6 ) ....not as in professional....
2012-07-18 10:41:59
i've got 220 hours played and 900 posts in the beta forum, chatted 5 hours with a dev.

i could get used to everything in the game, but the recoil is just so fucking boring to me. it's all about bursting. tapping is basically out of the game, except for rare situations. spraying feels a bit worse too.

i'd really rather quit CS than force myself to play a game i don't enjoy.





obviously there's many more things that are totally wrong with the game and have been adressed almost from day1. and most of it hasn't been fixed. look at dota2 for example. valve tries to exactly copy dota1. and everyone loves that. i'm not even saying they should copy 1.6, but please at least take all the important fundamentals and trust the community when they say that fog and tracers suck.

but nope. they just give a shit.

Post edited 2012-07-17 23:49:02
2012-07-17 23:39:24
I agree with you that Valve is copying dota1 but, it's not the same too, in D2 you can farm easier(last hit) its a huge change from my opinion, even the gameplay its more accurate:). With all this about Dota2, have you ever asked yourself if Valve did wanted to 1.6 exactly on CS:GO, not giving any change to CSS players to switch on CS:GO ? I'm sure that this was one of the main purpouse of Valve on creating CS:GO. Unite all Counter Strike players:)
2012-07-18 00:04:14
yea, but that's the misconception they have. no CSS player would say "oh no, tapping is way too controllable now. it needs to be inaccurate again". other than that, recoil in 1.6 and CSS is almost exactly the same. both 1.6 and CSS players are complaining about spraying, for example.

you see that no one really wants to play CSGO. look at how few people are actively playing, despite >100k keys given out. something must be wrong with their design philosophy. you can try to tell the community to "just play the game" and close your eyes, but it wont work.



they promised to release the game when the community says so. they broke that promise. look at the beta forums. people are protesting hard against that. but game will be released 21st august. period.

Post edited 2012-07-18 00:29:50
2012-07-18 00:25:25
i got like 200 hours csgo on steam i think the gameplay sucks but good casual
2012-07-17 23:31:14
by: Nix0n - HLTV.org
#181
There's some things I agree on but the main point, which I think is the most important, is that the game needs to be a great and fun game, and in that regard draw a lot of new players.

Let's be real for a second. CS and CS:S for that matter are both old games, with no addition of new players, kids getting a PC for their birthday are very unlikely to just start playing either of the games, rather go for something else (and new). As said, both games are old and surely a lot of players and members of the community has been lost over the years.

We need the critical mass for a game to go big. With that said, we can't just live off the pro scene, we need the casual players and the FFA heroes for a game to succeed. That's my opinion.

If CS:GO will get that, I think we need to wait and see when the game is released, as it at the moment is too foggy to tell from all various and limited opinions.

Post edited 2012-07-18 00:05:24
2012-07-18 00:04:06
Your first sentence identifies my largest objection to the vast majority of people trying to get the 1.6 community to live through GO and perhaps unite with that of Source, (and this is the important part) no matter how CS:GO plays--whether it's fun or not, competitive or not, requires skill or not, etc.

CS drew in the vast and great community it has had because of how it plays. If it was a horrible game, the community would not have grew up around it. Likewise, if GO does not play well, it will not take on the 1.6 community, nor will it retain popularity for very long, meaning the community will crumble.

For anyone wanting to keep the CS community together, the only way that will happen is by identifying a game that is a good team fps, not just one that shares the same name as the one we play; the name is the least important quality. Perhaps GO is that game, but saying the community should switch no matter what is foolish.

---

On the pro vs. casual scene, I am in full agreement. Some people seem to believe a game needs to come in and replace 1.6 one for one in every tournament. That just isn't going to happen. It took time for CS to build up, for more and more people to play pubs, play at lans at a friend's house, etc., before it was seen in large tournaments. I don't know how many times I had lugged a CRT to a friend's house to play CS (and other HL mods) before I had ever heard of EYE or elemeNt, ever watched a demo, etc.

Of course the gaming scene has changed a lot from when CS came out, and it shouldn't take as long for a game to rise in popularity as it took for CS, but it won't be instantaneous. The pro scene rises from the amateur scene; it can't exist without it. They are inseparably linked.

Post edited 2012-07-18 21:14:42
2012-07-18 21:13:58
Half of u don't understand how good and mature LoL community is.

And we...we are "The cancer community" where everyone should be playing for a top team and everyone knows everything.

Full of trolls and really few mature guys here on the forums.

I started to hate this game a log time ago, can't even see my self playing now.




2012-07-18 00:42:20
This guy had some good points but the missing part here is CS:GO AT THIS VERY MOMENT isn't very good game in mine & very many others books, i just hope valve will settle things right.
2012-07-18 00:50:15
have been playing some gathers and stuff, and seriously.. ill rather hope all go to css than cs:GO, or as I call it Call of battlefield:global Offensive...
2012-07-18 00:54:41
you are the ones who fucked our game up u SOURCE scumbbag... get out of here
2012-07-18 01:18:07
pure garbage
2012-07-18 01:28:30
true word by him,but the community is to stupid to unterstand that both games are dead :)
2012-07-18 01:53:54
I wouldn't care, then I saw it's a CSS player, so I cared less.
2012-07-18 02:01:30
yeah, he's quite a no namer to the real cs community, dunno why he's got a topic in here.
2012-07-18 02:58:12
actualy, he is almost more succesfull than the navy team, and only 18 yo, and by far, a player that try to make the new game a succes, If you call yourself a real cs gamer, then you might not wanna go for just one game, or you could stick to 1.3
2012-07-18 11:45:28
still, he played Source, he's prolly is at top 50 Peru level.

and for now it's more than clear that I'm sticking to 1.6, CS:GO is just horrible.

Post edited 2012-07-18 17:41:22
2012-07-18 17:41:07
did you just called Na'Vi navy? hahahah gtfo noob, Na'Vi won 4 majors in a row in 1.6. that guy is prolly succesful in CS:Source but who plays that game anyways? the scene is in 1.6, the money and relevancy as well.

Not even if a team won every single CS:S tournament for 5 years can be compared to any successful 1.6 team, 1.6 just has much more competition and it is a true eSport game, you don't get random hss by spraying and praying.
2012-07-18 17:59:14
I can clearly see that is is like 4 years since you tryed source, and 4 majors? they pulled out 1.place in every single turney they went to 2 years in a row.. yeah i see..
2012-07-18 18:26:10
cs 1.6 teams raped every single CSS team they have ever met and Na'Vi won more than 500,000$ against much better competition.

you cant compare 15K$ tournaments to IEM, ESWC, WCG finals, the guy has not won any single interesting tournament because CS:Source doesn't have a single interesting tournament compared to 1.6.

the kid is nothing in 1.6, so he's not really important to the CS scene, CSS is not more than a casual game played competitively by some noobs that didn't make it in 1.6.

Post edited 2012-07-18 19:17:24
2012-07-18 19:14:59
damn, you win... your brain is to damaged...
2012-07-18 19:27:03
its like saying the best checkers player is as successful as the best chess player, something completely dumb. the best competitors prefer the harder and competitive game cuz it is rewarding. the CSS scene chose the easy game.

Post edited 2012-07-18 19:31:39
2012-07-18 19:31:27
you do know that the hitbox is the same 4 everyone right? I can't argue with you, cuz you can't see anything trough your 1.6 glasses, eve been playing both games, so actualy, I might have the right to speak, instead of your jaggedi jaggedi jagggedi hard game... there is no reason for you to answer, cuz I already know what you are gonna say.
2012-07-18 20:35:57
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zF7mYfs6UI

there are many reasons why the CS pro scene stayed in 1.6, argue as much as you want, you won't win against facts. the proof is all around you, source is bad.
2012-07-18 22:03:29
no fucks were given. he tries with a random speech to engage crap
2012-07-18 02:03:57
Well , if it's from a CS:S player , we don't give a shit :)












WE DON'T CARE ABOUT CS:GO
2012-07-18 03:02:12
so you dont care about fps games..cuz cs is deffintly dead nbk explain situation of both game.
2012-07-18 09:15:25
I don't listen to dogs(css players)
2012-07-18 03:04:46
if they gave me a beta key on 1 of my 2 steam accounts (with 1.6 and css) or if they didn't lie about the open beta i would probably still have some faith in csgo but as it is now i'll buy it because of the hype like css and then stop playing it after 2 weeks...
2012-07-18 09:02:05
Gonna play CSGO and all who wont play it and keep 1.6 will switch sooner or later to CSGO, but one thing, it will be late for them to follow the rythme of this new game, i like this blog and i realy dont feel that CSGO is bad, it still in beta and it will be succeful game im pretty sure (have tried it already) :)
So give chance to this game ;)
2012-07-18 10:03:04
http://www.africapedia.com/BALANCE-OF-MILITARY-POW..

What did you mean second power to Africa? (before the comments got deleted)

Algeria is 4th and South Africa is way down there.
2012-07-18 12:30:57
Economie power -.-
2012-07-18 12:51:31
:)
2012-07-18 19:53:56
1.6 is not dead sorry to break it to you. And btw 1.6 is still featured on IEM but only for the european events. Learn to read articles. And cs:wannabe is still shit
2012-07-18 11:20:10
eswc,wem,wcg,sec,estars cut 1.6 ...iem will not feature 1.6 , carmac said 1.6 MIGHT be featured in a european ONLINE league , not related to the main IEM event, most probably 1.6 will be in the EMS

1.6 is dead and burried , just cus pgl is hosting one more season doesn't mean much ...in fact they probably won't even host this season ...im betting till september they will decide to switch to go, seeing as how 6 teams signed up so far (out of 150)
2012-07-18 12:55:20
eswc,wem,wcg,sec,estars cut 1.6 ... all were disaster last year
2012-07-18 14:37:21
+1 to everything he said pretty much. Think it's a choice between CS:GO or no CS at all.
2012-07-18 11:22:54
Maybe for the pro players. I can play 1.6 gathers etc whenever I want to. Why would I play game that I dont enjoy? Just for "save competitive FPS!!!11" ?
2012-07-21 19:55:26
I read only 1/4 of that but he's so stupid without a logic and saying only lies.
IEM take CS 1.6 in European Championship then isn't true IEM drops 1.6, only drops the GLOBAL scene but not IEM.
2012-07-18 13:21:10
wtf? are you retarded? 1.6 was droped from IEM.
2012-07-18 19:30:53
of course yes :) u have to get an update dude ;)
2012-07-18 19:54:34
?
2012-07-18 22:35:02
CS 1.6 is drop only for GLOBAL but european championship will be cs 1.6
2012-07-19 00:49:10
NO IT WONT. It will be featured in online leagues.
2012-07-19 03:36:27
... retard says others retard, check the news and see what Carmac said
2012-08-12 12:13:13
competitive pro CS and CS:S are nearly dead
pub and amateur CS and CS:S are alive

pro gaming will probably go towards CS:GO

i play all 3 games at the moment, since i dont play on a competitive level i enjoy all 3 games. Also viewing all 3 is great!

In the end you will have 1 pro game being CS:GO and 2 pub / amateur games being CS 1.6 and CS:S.

End of story.
2012-07-18 15:06:51
csgo is a pro game? and how many lans with big prizes have there been for it?
2012-07-18 20:56:21
which part of: "will probably go towards" dont you understand?

2012-07-19 16:28:51
some gangstaz players from 1.6 vs source players, mother of god.
2012-07-18 15:38:22
I didn't even read this massive thread I just wanted to share my findings with you regarding cs:go


It's shit.
2012-07-18 20:51:17
going to play cs ?

we maybe adapt to csgo

shit....
2012-07-19 11:57:40
we dont , just play promod and everything will be fine , I promise.
2012-07-30 04:14:02
CS:GO is now 1 month far from its release. As far as I know Valve has promised open beta 1 month before release. BRING IT ON VALVE.
2012-07-21 19:58:06
ILl move into CS:GO
2012-07-30 05:15:11
all those comments saying its doesnt matter if there isnt a pro scene or not are hilarious when 1/2 of this site spends all day making threads like.. ''delpan vs markeloff?¿¿¿¿¿??'' If there isnt a pro scene in 1.6 say bb to HLTV.org unless they cover CSGO or other game.
2012-07-30 07:20:24
fnatic, navi, esc and couple underdog teams...its boring
just watch how 1.6 stars fucked up by another teams in cs go.
2012-08-04 05:40:02
CS:GO is new competitive game and right after release all whiners will have to STFU and play/not-play ... who cares :)

I'm looking forward to ELO system, hope there will be something like soloQ so I can position myself in a ladder and have some additional fun to just playin
2012-08-12 11:48:46
All I want is to see cs 1.6 spray and this game will be actually playable.
2012-08-12 11:53:00
No need for 1.6 spray actually, but all I can say is that in a video from developers he was talking about starting from far away and getting to best recoil. It means you dont copy 1.6 recoil and make it the best possible right at the beginning, but you rather experiment and start from shitty and ask why is this not it.

He also said that they have better recoil then ever already and we will be really excited... I know, words, but u know what, it makes sense to me.
2012-08-12 12:10:58
I didn't play GO yet, but it seems to me that current recoil is far from 1.6's and in my opinion this recoil is really bad. I just can't imagine better recoil than recoil in 1.6. Probably because I got used to it just like millions of other people and that's why I think it will be the right thing to do. I'm usually opened for new things, but really, if they already took title from this game why wouldn't they copy its recoil too. However, I hope that this game will have recoil which I'll like :].

Post edited 2012-08-12 12:29:40
2012-08-12 12:29:14
ARG so many fucking CS:S Loser come HLTV.org to troll
go back to cadred please
2012-08-12 12:11:27
so we all need to switch to csgo (which is more of a css2 than a successor to the original cs) for it to be on tournaments and to prove to the sponsors that they should put their money in it even if many of us don't enjoy watchin/playing that game nor do we benefit from the sponsor's money in any way,except those css pros who want to switch to csgo of course ?

sc and wc3 have the same feel as sc2 ,csgo has no resemblance to the original cs,except same weapon names/and similar maps.
But GO has a good point for me ,the matchmaking system.

fun/challenging/competitive game = large community

2012-08-12 12:38:43
you're right my friend. we do not need to play a game just to make sponsors happy and invest more in a crappy game that would only benefit top gamers that gain $$ for it.

for most of us, we play the game because we enjoy it and we enjoy competition. we do not get money for it, so why switch?

these people know that without 1.6's support, csgo will fail just as source did. so those who cannot compete in 1.6, because its a much harder game, want to kill 1.6 by convincing us to switch. but for me, there's no 1 good reason to switch. honnestly.
2012-08-12 16:45:14
Honnestly, csgo has no reason to succeed considering how css failed. Ppl were saying the exact same thing about source : it has the graphism and realism that would be needed to get a huge community. It got the hype the first yr and then failed hard because of one and only one reason : the game sucks.

Now ppl want to make us believe that csgo will succeed because it has better graphics? Well, let me tell you that css has better graphism than cs 1.6 and failed because of its poor engine, fun and game play.

So why would csgo be better? I would say its even worse than css. If graphism is the reason, then lets go to promod, they have put in many options to unite css players AND cs 1.6 and it is by far the most suited game for competitive play (new features ameliorating teamplay and competitive play).

Also, consider the fact that half 1.6 and a third of css players wont get 100fps in csgo and wont buy new gear for that crappy game (yes i have played it, yes i dont have 100 fps in it and no i wont buy new gear unless they considerably fix the game).

What are we left with? Follow the game you love, the game you enjoy playing. Thats why we play the game for most of us : we love it. We have, for most of us, never gotten money from 1.6, yet we spend nights playing it because its fun. So why would we jump on a bad game because supposedly it will feature more money at tournaments?

All i gotta say is that for amateur that enjoy cs 1.6, ESEA (go to their site, the software is AMAZING) is coming very soon to europe. It will definitely revive cs 1.6 and will allow us, 1.6 lovers, keep on playing our game during automated mixes, pcws and leagues. So why would we switch? "ESEA is the largest competitive video gaming community in North America, where thousands of players end up after getting sick of playing against cheaters and instead want to play against the best and get better.", it is much better than ESL.

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2012-08-12 16:36:17
Nobody is forcing you to play GO or not to play 1.6. I have all 4 games and I play all of them from time to time (of course 1.6 mostly). The thing I hate the most about counter-strike is the community, it's sooo unfriendly. Look how many arrogant assholes are on this thread... "Well , if it's from a CS:S player , we don't give a shit :)
WE DON'T CARE ABOUT CS:GO" - It's the most pathetic thing I have ever heard. Are you afraid that GO will rise and take over? Well, that what it looks like. And saying stupid things like that won't help. If you like the game - play it and support it, but don't go writing bullshit about other games or at least keep it to yourself (Im not talking only about you, Im talking about all the others!). Sure, I would love 1.6 to last forever, but let's face it, it won't. ESEA may revive amautre 1.6 a little bit. But for how long? It's all up to CSGO... or CSP of course - but I think CSP had a pretty good chance but it's too late now.
2012-08-12 17:35:01
CSPromod is the answer for CS:S players and 1.6 players!
2012-08-12 16:41:13
exactly, read my post just above you. if graphism is the argument, then let's go to cs promod, more fun, more competitive, better graphism and IS SUITED FOR 1.6 + CS:S!
2012-08-12 16:42:02
no one cares about any of these comments^^^^^^^^ all 303 of them are just a waste of your time
2012-08-12 19:45:35
309 if you're the 310th idiot
2012-08-12 20:12:00
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