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The Truth
hey guys
today i was thinking about the world and you know what? my conclusion is that everyone is an egoist who gives a shit about others. now you will tell me "hell no! you are wrong!!" but let me explain the current situation.
For more than 100 years we have been abusing the earth's ressources, destroying the nature, extinguishing animal species without any kind of mercy or any sense for sustainability. Not to mention the large amount of wars we are striking (hello USA)
I predict you that mankind is not able to survive on this planet if we continue this way. We are searching forms of life in the universe and what did we find? Almost nothing. We have explored the planet Mars and we are thinking that once on this planet life could have been existed.
my thesis: on this planet there used to live a intelligent form of life(like us) but they destroyed itself due to the reasons i mentioned above.
Think about my thoughts and you will agree with me!
today i was thinking about the world and you know what? my conclusion is that everyone is an egoist who gives a shit about others. now you will tell me "hell no! you are wrong!!" but let me explain the current situation.
For more than 100 years we have been abusing the earth's ressources, destroying the nature, extinguishing animal species without any kind of mercy or any sense for sustainability. Not to mention the large amount of wars we are striking (hello USA)
I predict you that mankind is not able to survive on this planet if we continue this way. We are searching forms of life in the universe and what did we find? Almost nothing. We have explored the planet Mars and we are thinking that once on this planet life could have been existed.
my thesis: on this planet there used to live a intelligent form of life(like us) but they destroyed itself due to the reasons i mentioned above.
Think about my thoughts and you will agree with me!
(hello USA) ??
Who started the biggest war in the history of mankind?
Who started the biggest war in the history of mankind?
2012-07-19 19:47:41
so tell me which state has got the highest war costs in the last 60 years? u know that t-shirt "USA World Domination Tour" ? here you go http://files.redux.com/images/f9d8eb47daa905f24cf7..
just imagine the consequences of the nuclear weapons, much more potential to destroy the entire world
just imagine the consequences of the nuclear weapons, much more potential to destroy the entire world
2012-07-19 19:54:42
World War II.
2012-07-19 19:57:37
so... `?
2012-07-19 20:02:06
He thinks it's ironic a German is compaining about how we are destroying the world.
I thought it was funny but maybe a 'too soon?'-kind of joke.
I thought it was funny but maybe a 'too soon?'-kind of joke.
2012-07-19 20:22:02
It takes 23 years for something serious to be funny
2013-01-21 17:52:46
there is no way you can respond "so...?" to a ww2 argument :D
2012-07-21 00:41:24
There is, because Germany is the country which has learned the most out of his mistakes. Look at the Americans, they learn NOTHING.
2012-07-21 18:30:19
bullcrap
2012-07-21 18:48:33
Keep closing your eyes, Narr.
2012-07-21 19:51:00
dude i don't know how old you are but you should seriously OPEN your eyes and stop being naive
2012-07-21 20:02:50
+1 in last 50 years usa had more wars than germany in 1000.
2013-01-20 15:03:06
The first 8 comments, and you guys have already start war in it self, and the maker of the thread that hates egoism, shows enormous amounts of egoism ;)
Fuck this thread, peace.
Fuck this thread, peace.
2013-01-20 13:48:14
His point exactly.
2013-01-20 14:48:27
The image that you show has a value of 0 because 1945 to 46 I believe that USA was fighting vs Japan...
2012-07-20 02:10:48
At least every German knows why this happened and everyone regrets it. But ask an US-American why the US Army was in Korea, Vietnam, Kuwait or Irak. You won't get any answer that is even close to reality or could be considered as a rational argument for the death of over 8 million civilian.
2012-07-19 20:34:16
Korea, Vietnam - shitty commie regime. They (Americans) did it right I think. Just look at North Korea, it's fucking ridiculous.
P. S. Nobody will be resurrected 'cuz of your regrets.
Post edited 2012-07-19 21:00:58
P. S. Nobody will be resurrected 'cuz of your regrets.
Post edited 2012-07-19 21:00:58
2012-07-19 20:58:41
that's not the point. it is not about why we have wars but THAT we have wars.
2012-07-19 21:01:21
But ask an US-American why the US Army was in Korea, Vietnam, Kuwait or Irak.
LOL Am I blind?
LOL Am I blind?
2012-07-19 21:02:54
Obviously you know nothing about the Vietnam war.
Beside the fact that it's on the Vietnamese (and not the USA) to decide how they rule their country, the US-intervention was totally worthless cause after they flee the North-Vietnamese overcame the whole country (by massacre the South-Vietnamese Army which was mostly built by the USA) and even whole Indochina (Laos, Cambodia, Burma, ...) turned into a commie system.
The only thing the US intervention changed is the amount of death people and the fact that still a huge number of Vietnamese babies are crippled because the USA used Agent Orange to kill the forest.
Post edited 2012-07-19 21:14:01
Beside the fact that it's on the Vietnamese (and not the USA) to decide how they rule their country, the US-intervention was totally worthless cause after they flee the North-Vietnamese overcame the whole country (by massacre the South-Vietnamese Army which was mostly built by the USA) and even whole Indochina (Laos, Cambodia, Burma, ...) turned into a commie system.
The only thing the US intervention changed is the amount of death people and the fact that still a huge number of Vietnamese babies are crippled because the USA used Agent Orange to kill the forest.
Post edited 2012-07-19 21:14:01
2012-07-19 21:12:55
Vietnamese people? What is "people"? Do you think that ussr-sponsored, -trained, -taught commie junta is the "Vietnamese people"? Read Marx and Lenin - their theories are the strightest declaration of war to rest of the world. "People" LOL. In North Korea they also "decided by theirselves" now they struggle not to die from hunger. Bad decision though.
2012-07-19 21:36:42
So what? Do you think someone forced the North-Vietnamese to fight against the South? It was their will and yes, they are actually people.
Just because some people make bad decision you don't get the right to force them to change. At the end it's their country.
ps: I'm sure I know much more about Marx and Lenin than you do. Did you ever read Marx's manifest? I guess not. Otherwise you wouldn't mentioned Marx's theory in the same sentence as Lenin's postulation.
Just because some people make bad decision you don't get the right to force them to change. At the end it's their country.
ps: I'm sure I know much more about Marx and Lenin than you do. Did you ever read Marx's manifest? I guess not. Otherwise you wouldn't mentioned Marx's theory in the same sentence as Lenin's postulation.
2012-07-19 21:45:17
My grandparents and parents felt it alive, and I feel it's consequences, you, "well-read" idiot. Leninism is further, more radical development of Marx's ideas, tell me one mutually exclusive thing Marx's and Lenin theories or you'll be just blah-blah-blah cunt.
At the end it's their country.
Unfortunately European and American idiots thought the same in late 30-ies.
Post edited 2012-07-19 22:00:46
At the end it's their country.
Unfortunately European and American idiots thought the same in late 30-ies.
Post edited 2012-07-19 22:00:46
2012-07-19 21:58:18
Marx was a philosopher and theorist (he wrote a lot about love and the human nature), while Lenin was a political activist. According to Marx's manifest it was completely wrong what Lenin did (starting a revolution as a minority and without living in a democratic liberal system). Lenin just took Marx basis idea, and developed a new radical postulation, which differs in very essential parts from Marx's manifest. Marx never said change has to be forced (especially not under Russian's conditions at this time), he just analyzed human's past and made up an theory about the further evolution. You could say: Lenin abused Marx's theory.
What Stalin did has actually absolutely nothing to do with the theory of Marx. Stalin was actually closer to a fascist like Mussolini than to Lenin.
But anyway. My point is still there: Nobody has the right to force another country to do something against their will.
"Unfortunately European and American idiots thought the same in late 30-ies"
What? The Germans did the exact opposite. They invaded other countries...
Post edited 2012-07-19 22:32:31
What Stalin did has actually absolutely nothing to do with the theory of Marx. Stalin was actually closer to a fascist like Mussolini than to Lenin.
But anyway. My point is still there: Nobody has the right to force another country to do something against their will.
"Unfortunately European and American idiots thought the same in late 30-ies"
What? The Germans did the exact opposite. They invaded other countries...
Post edited 2012-07-19 22:32:31
2012-07-19 22:24:47
#64
Post edited 2012-07-19 22:39:41
Post edited 2012-07-19 22:39:41
2012-07-19 22:32:27
"That's only a difference in ways of achieving the same score. LOL"
Yes, but a very important. According to Marx violence wouldn't be necessary (a democratic system allows the majority to change a system without killing people who got an other opinion). Also Marx said this is the only way that leads to a stable and successful system.
"After the nazis horde was legally elected in, according to you, "pure inside-counrty job"."
1. The Nazis weren't legally elected (there was never a majority voting for the NSDAP).
2. Yes, here you right. But do you also know why there was so much hate in Germany against France, the UK and Russia? That was the result of the treaty of Versailles and a very successful propaganda. It's the best example to show what can happen, if countries think they have to tell other countries what they are allowed to do and what not. The treaty of Versailles was very demeaning for the Germans and the perfect platform for nationalists to come up with shit like the Stab-in-the-back myth.
Post edited 2012-07-19 22:49:16
Yes, but a very important. According to Marx violence wouldn't be necessary (a democratic system allows the majority to change a system without killing people who got an other opinion). Also Marx said this is the only way that leads to a stable and successful system.
"After the nazis horde was legally elected in, according to you, "pure inside-counrty job"."
1. The Nazis weren't legally elected (there was never a majority voting for the NSDAP).
2. Yes, here you right. But do you also know why there was so much hate in Germany against France, the UK and Russia? That was the result of the treaty of Versailles and a very successful propaganda. It's the best example to show what can happen, if countries think they have to tell other countries what they are allowed to do and what not. The treaty of Versailles was very demeaning for the Germans and the perfect platform for nationalists to come up with shit like the Stab-in-the-back myth.
Post edited 2012-07-19 22:49:16
2012-07-19 22:48:36
>> Yes, but a very important. According to Marx violence wouldn't be necessary (a democratic system allows the majority to change a system without killing people who got an other opinion).
Now tell me sweetheart, what happens to a person who decides to resist the oppression of a democratic elected regime, has means to do so (a firearm most likely, that is) and the will not to surrender at any cost? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I reckon the end result of such choice being made is a bullet in the head.
Now tell me sweetheart, what happens to a person who decides to resist the oppression of a democratic elected regime, has means to do so (a firearm most likely, that is) and the will not to surrender at any cost? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I reckon the end result of such choice being made is a bullet in the head.
2013-01-20 15:00:12
wow, replying to a 6 month old comment...
obviously you don't understand the basic principles of a constitutional democracy...
a direct democracy is still based on a constitution and therefor different from a dictatorship of the folk. the rights of every single one and the basic rights of minorities are protected by the constitution and everyone got the right to build an opposition (as long as he respects the basic rules of a modern democracy), so in a real democracy there is no "oppression" and therefor no need for violence. if you believe everyone should have the right to do everything he likes you haven't understood the basic principles of a working society. the only solution would be a total anarchy which would work for about 2 seconds.
Post edited 2013-01-20 17:34:56
obviously you don't understand the basic principles of a constitutional democracy...
a direct democracy is still based on a constitution and therefor different from a dictatorship of the folk. the rights of every single one and the basic rights of minorities are protected by the constitution and everyone got the right to build an opposition (as long as he respects the basic rules of a modern democracy), so in a real democracy there is no "oppression" and therefor no need for violence. if you believe everyone should have the right to do everything he likes you haven't understood the basic principles of a working society. the only solution would be a total anarchy which would work for about 2 seconds.
Post edited 2013-01-20 17:34:56
2013-01-20 17:32:26
Wow, perhaps after some dude has bumped this I stumbled upon that be-es that you wrote, and then I couldn't help but comment on it. I have my best hopes that that fact alone that I responded after such a long time (I did not notice the dates I swear) didn't hurt your feelings. I mean, I obviously meant to do that, though not by that lol.
More to the point though...
> (...) so in a real democracy there is no "oppression" and therefor no need for violence.
That's perhaps the most interesting part so lets stop here. And now let's say that there's a democratically elected regime chosen by the majority or the majority of those who have chosen to vote or whatever. And let's say that there's a constitution of whatever kind and so there are some other pieces of paper out there of magic power that supposed to save my ass from all those evil folks guns or whatever. It doesn't really matter. Because then we can just say that that democratically elected regime wants to, let's say, build a bridge over some river in some part of the territory that regime occupies. And someone, let's say, me, might not like that bridge. Because, let's say, their architectural vision doesn't really please me enough. And so me as, let's say, a liquor store owner might want to chose not to pay for it. And let's then say that I do in fact chose to do so, I acquire some firearms to help me to exercise my free will in that area and so I have the will to use those in case someone wants to steal the money from me, tax the liquor that I sell or whatever, to pay for that bridge. How long would it take then for your democratically elected government (of "no oppression" and "no need for violence") to hunt me down and slaughter?
> if you believe everyone should have the right to do everything he likes you haven't understood (...)
Oh, no, absolutely not. Unlike you I actually believe that to steal stuff at gunpoint is purely wrong and evil, and immoral, and people have a right to protect themselves from anybody who might ever choose to do that.
Post edited 2013-01-21 13:40:39
More to the point though...
> (...) so in a real democracy there is no "oppression" and therefor no need for violence.
That's perhaps the most interesting part so lets stop here. And now let's say that there's a democratically elected regime chosen by the majority or the majority of those who have chosen to vote or whatever. And let's say that there's a constitution of whatever kind and so there are some other pieces of paper out there of magic power that supposed to save my ass from all those evil folks guns or whatever. It doesn't really matter. Because then we can just say that that democratically elected regime wants to, let's say, build a bridge over some river in some part of the territory that regime occupies. And someone, let's say, me, might not like that bridge. Because, let's say, their architectural vision doesn't really please me enough. And so me as, let's say, a liquor store owner might want to chose not to pay for it. And let's then say that I do in fact chose to do so, I acquire some firearms to help me to exercise my free will in that area and so I have the will to use those in case someone wants to steal the money from me, tax the liquor that I sell or whatever, to pay for that bridge. How long would it take then for your democratically elected government (of "no oppression" and "no need for violence") to hunt me down and slaughter?
> if you believe everyone should have the right to do everything he likes you haven't understood (...)
Oh, no, absolutely not. Unlike you I actually believe that to steal stuff at gunpoint is purely wrong and evil, and immoral, and people have a right to protect themselves from anybody who might ever choose to do that.
Post edited 2013-01-21 13:40:39
2013-01-21 13:34:45
"Because then we can just say that that democratically elected regime wants to, let's say, build a bridge over some river in some part of the territory that regime occupies."
1. Stop talking about regimes. A democratically elected government is NOT a regime.
2. A government doesn't occupy a territory, it represents the people of a certain territory.
3. In a direct democracy (like the one from Switzerland) the people are allowed to submit an referendum. So if the majority doesn't want this bridge, the government can't build it. That's how a real democracy works.
An important part of a great working direct democracy (like the one from Switzerland) is enough federalism. This makes sure the people who live in the area of this bridge are the one who decide if there should be a new bridge or not (and not some people far away). And if you still don't understand why there should be a new bridge since the majority of your neighbors voted for this bridge you're just a barrater who doesn't understand the main principles of a working society.
Post edited 2013-01-21 16:57:31
1. Stop talking about regimes. A democratically elected government is NOT a regime.
2. A government doesn't occupy a territory, it represents the people of a certain territory.
3. In a direct democracy (like the one from Switzerland) the people are allowed to submit an referendum. So if the majority doesn't want this bridge, the government can't build it. That's how a real democracy works.
An important part of a great working direct democracy (like the one from Switzerland) is enough federalism. This makes sure the people who live in the area of this bridge are the one who decide if there should be a new bridge or not (and not some people far away). And if you still don't understand why there should be a new bridge since the majority of your neighbors voted for this bridge you're just a barrater who doesn't understand the main principles of a working society.
Post edited 2013-01-21 16:57:31
2013-01-21 16:53:08
1. Good then, go check the dictionary and then start feeling guilty.
2. Since you can't exclude yourself from it's reach and coercion, I'd say you are pretty much occupied. I mean, there are still places on this planet where you can do that (north sentinel, india or from more civilised places: iquitos, peru, to some degree) though by definition that should not be possible.
> And if you still don't understand why there shouldn't be a new bridge although the majority of your (...)
Then I should be slaughtered, right? Well, it all comes to one question really - will they shoot me if I disobey them and don't give out my property or not. It's really that simple. Hence, there either is a violence or not. I don't force anyone to build or not build anything, though I simply believe that stealing is bad. It just doesn't feel good in my heart, sorry if I'm disappointing you.
Post edited 2013-01-21 17:21:05
2. Since you can't exclude yourself from it's reach and coercion, I'd say you are pretty much occupied. I mean, there are still places on this planet where you can do that (north sentinel, india or from more civilised places: iquitos, peru, to some degree) though by definition that should not be possible.
> And if you still don't understand why there shouldn't be a new bridge although the majority of your (...)
Then I should be slaughtered, right? Well, it all comes to one question really - will they shoot me if I disobey them and don't give out my property or not. It's really that simple. Hence, there either is a violence or not. I don't force anyone to build or not build anything, though I simply believe that stealing is bad. It just doesn't feel good in my heart, sorry if I'm disappointing you.
Post edited 2013-01-21 17:21:05
2013-01-21 17:12:49
1. From wikipedia: "While the word regime originates as a synonym for any form of government, modern usage gives the term a negative connotation, implying an authoritarian government or dictatorship."
If you're living in 2012 like I do, you wouldn't use the expression "regime" for a democratic elected government unless you got no education.
2. What the heck...did you even understand what I wrote? Our government here doesn't occupy anything, it just represents us, the people who live here. Not sure about Poland...
3. No, people will just ignore your childish behavior and if you start to commit a crime (like shooting on police officers because you're retarded) they will punish you according to the law. You don't understand the principles of a working community, do you?
"..and don't give out my property or not"
Why the heck should the river be your property? It's the property of all people living there and if they majority wants a new bridge you have to accept that. Or are you talking about taxes? taxes are meant to be an investment for the whole society and you're making use of these investments every day by using the streets, being a part of a working economy, being protected by the police and the fire brigade etc.
You should really try to understand the sense of a modern society and a democratic constitutional government.
Maybe Poland's political system is just fucked up so you never had the chance to understand the actual mission and role of a government...
Post edited 2013-01-21 19:13:50
If you're living in 2012 like I do, you wouldn't use the expression "regime" for a democratic elected government unless you got no education.
2. What the heck...did you even understand what I wrote? Our government here doesn't occupy anything, it just represents us, the people who live here. Not sure about Poland...
3. No, people will just ignore your childish behavior and if you start to commit a crime (like shooting on police officers because you're retarded) they will punish you according to the law. You don't understand the principles of a working community, do you?
"..and don't give out my property or not"
Why the heck should the river be your property? It's the property of all people living there and if they majority wants a new bridge you have to accept that. Or are you talking about taxes? taxes are meant to be an investment for the whole society and you're making use of these investments every day by using the streets, being a part of a working economy, being protected by the police and the fire brigade etc.
You should really try to understand the sense of a modern society and a democratic constitutional government.
Maybe Poland's political system is just fucked up so you never had the chance to understand the actual mission and role of a government...
Post edited 2013-01-21 19:13:50
2013-01-21 19:11:58
So now it's Poland lawl, I thought we were taking about moral principles.
So what you are saying is, in Bundesrepublik Deutschland one can choose not to pay the taxes (let's say, open a liquor store and file no tax returns, don't even keep records of financial transactions) and won't be slaughtered in case he/she decides to do so, have means to resist the arrest (firearms) and will to use them? Those conditions are to be met if you claim the territory (including that real estate used for the liquor store) is not occupied.
Or, let me ask another question.
Let's say there's a small society of which the majority votes that every member of that society should have some of their property seized at gunpoint (that's the definition of taxation, is it not?) to pay for a bridge to be build over some river. And let's say there's a guy who owns that liquor store and who doesn't like the project of that bridge aesthetically (simply, he just thinks it's gonna be ugly) and therefore refuses to give up his money to pay for it. He also says he's never gonna use that bridge. Would then order that person to be shoot? Or rather, having a chance to do so and the knowledge that otherwise that person would resist the arrest and continue to sell his liquor without taxes, would you pull the trigger? Yes or no.
So what you are saying is, in Bundesrepublik Deutschland one can choose not to pay the taxes (let's say, open a liquor store and file no tax returns, don't even keep records of financial transactions) and won't be slaughtered in case he/she decides to do so, have means to resist the arrest (firearms) and will to use them? Those conditions are to be met if you claim the territory (including that real estate used for the liquor store) is not occupied.
Or, let me ask another question.
Let's say there's a small society of which the majority votes that every member of that society should have some of their property seized at gunpoint (that's the definition of taxation, is it not?) to pay for a bridge to be build over some river. And let's say there's a guy who owns that liquor store and who doesn't like the project of that bridge aesthetically (simply, he just thinks it's gonna be ugly) and therefore refuses to give up his money to pay for it. He also says he's never gonna use that bridge. Would then order that person to be shoot? Or rather, having a chance to do so and the knowledge that otherwise that person would resist the arrest and continue to sell his liquor without taxes, would you pull the trigger? Yes or no.
2013-01-21 19:35:05
"So what you are saying is, in Bundesrepublik Deutschland one can choose not to pay the taxes (let's say, open a liquor store and file no tax returns, don't even keep records of financial transactions) and won't be slaughtered in case he/she decides to do so,..."
Please, learn to read. I said quite the opposite...
I gave you some good reasons why you WILL get punished if you don't play taxes.
If you don't want to pay taxes, don't take a part of the society and its infrastructure. You should probably live on a lonely island.
"Let's say there's a small society of which the majority votes that every member of that society should have some of their property seized at gunpoint"
I'm living in a country (Switzerland) where there is a small minority of very rich people and a minority of poor people. The majority is mature and intelligent enough to understand that raising the taxes for these people won't help the society at all. The rich people already pay a lot more (not in percentage, but in total) and it's just fair that someone who worked harder owns more. Raising the taxes for the poor people would damage the society as well -> more criminality, more riots, less life quality of everyone.
Maybe you need a mature and solidary society which you (by judging your thoughts) obviously aren't a part off.
...and therefore refuses to give up his money to pay for it"
So he's an unsocial moron. The thing is: The direct democracy's foundation is solidarity and the agreement to respects the basic rules of a democracy: You have to accept the fact that sometimes you lose and sometimes you win a ballot. If you don't agree with this basic rule you're free to leave the country. But I doubt you will be happier when you realize that you're now living in a dictatorship where you aren't even allowed to talk about political issues.
"Would then order that person to be shoot?"
Not shoot, but he will get a fine. If he won't pay this fine and further fine he will go to prison.
"...would you pull the trigger?"
What the fuck went wrong in Poland?
There's no need for violence. He won't have any trouble if he pays the taxes like everyone else. If he refuses to pay taxes, he will get a fin. If he refuses to pay this fin as well he will get to prison. What's wrong about that? Who should pay for the police to protect his liquor store, the streets to transport the liquor, the fire department to save his store in case he's on fire? Maybe he won't use the bridge, but there are other people who will never need the fire department...the key word is solidarity and the agreement of basic democratic rules.
Have fun in a society without any rules and solidarity (e.g Somalia). You gonna have a crazy time. Or a society where some people just don't pay taxes because they don't feel like (e.g Greece or Russia).
Post edited 2013-01-21 21:34:19
Please, learn to read. I said quite the opposite...
I gave you some good reasons why you WILL get punished if you don't play taxes.
If you don't want to pay taxes, don't take a part of the society and its infrastructure. You should probably live on a lonely island.
"Let's say there's a small society of which the majority votes that every member of that society should have some of their property seized at gunpoint"
I'm living in a country (Switzerland) where there is a small minority of very rich people and a minority of poor people. The majority is mature and intelligent enough to understand that raising the taxes for these people won't help the society at all. The rich people already pay a lot more (not in percentage, but in total) and it's just fair that someone who worked harder owns more. Raising the taxes for the poor people would damage the society as well -> more criminality, more riots, less life quality of everyone.
Maybe you need a mature and solidary society which you (by judging your thoughts) obviously aren't a part off.
...and therefore refuses to give up his money to pay for it"
So he's an unsocial moron. The thing is: The direct democracy's foundation is solidarity and the agreement to respects the basic rules of a democracy: You have to accept the fact that sometimes you lose and sometimes you win a ballot. If you don't agree with this basic rule you're free to leave the country. But I doubt you will be happier when you realize that you're now living in a dictatorship where you aren't even allowed to talk about political issues.
"Would then order that person to be shoot?"
Not shoot, but he will get a fine. If he won't pay this fine and further fine he will go to prison.
"...would you pull the trigger?"
What the fuck went wrong in Poland?
There's no need for violence. He won't have any trouble if he pays the taxes like everyone else. If he refuses to pay taxes, he will get a fin. If he refuses to pay this fin as well he will get to prison. What's wrong about that? Who should pay for the police to protect his liquor store, the streets to transport the liquor, the fire department to save his store in case he's on fire? Maybe he won't use the bridge, but there are other people who will never need the fire department...the key word is solidarity and the agreement of basic democratic rules.
Have fun in a society without any rules and solidarity (e.g Somalia). You gonna have a crazy time. Or a society where some people just don't pay taxes because they don't feel like (e.g Greece or Russia).
Post edited 2013-01-21 21:34:19
2013-01-21 21:32:56
You still don't understand. It all comes down to one question. What if I don't want to go to prison and will resist the arrest? Should I then be slaughtered because I didn't like your bridge? If so, if that was your job, would you pull the trigger? It is really that simple.
2013-01-21 21:37:13
Then you simply refuse to be a part of the society. Therefor you should just leave the society.
"Pulling the trigger"...what are you, 12?
"Pulling the trigger"...what are you, 12?
2013-01-21 21:40:44
Okay, then if I don't, should I then be slaughtered? I don't get it, why can't you simply answer that question? :-)
Oh, and about leaving the countries:
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/FreedomainRadio/~3/..
A nice listen.
Oh, and about leaving the countries:
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/FreedomainRadio/~3/..
A nice listen.
2013-01-21 21:45:33
Of course you shouldn't be slaughtered. What kind of retarded question is that?
You will get punished by getting a fin and that's okay. Otherwise noone would pay any taxes.
You will get punished by getting a fin and that's okay. Otherwise noone would pay any taxes.
2013-01-21 21:49:32
> (...) What's wrong about that?
Well, that person is innocent. It is immoral to kill innocent people. That's all I'm saying.
> Who should pay for the police to protect his liquor store, the streets to transport the liquor, the fire department to save his store in case he's on fire?
That's not your business, is it? It is not unless those people wanna make it your business. Till then, fcuk off.
> What the fuck went wrong in Poland? (...) Have fun in a society without any rules and solidarity (e.g Somalia). You gonna have a crazy time. Or a society where some people just don't pay taxes because they don't feel like (e.g Greece or Russia).
Seriously, how do the moral principles depending on what does it say on the front cover of your passport? So that in case stealing at gunpoint would be good and in the other it would not?
Well, that person is innocent. It is immoral to kill innocent people. That's all I'm saying.
> Who should pay for the police to protect his liquor store, the streets to transport the liquor, the fire department to save his store in case he's on fire?
That's not your business, is it? It is not unless those people wanna make it your business. Till then, fcuk off.
> What the fuck went wrong in Poland? (...) Have fun in a society without any rules and solidarity (e.g Somalia). You gonna have a crazy time. Or a society where some people just don't pay taxes because they don't feel like (e.g Greece or Russia).
Seriously, how do the moral principles depending on what does it say on the front cover of your passport? So that in case stealing at gunpoint would be good and in the other it would not?
2013-01-21 21:43:12
Please, start reading correctly.
"Well, that person is innocent. It is immoral to kill innocent people. That's all I'm saying."
I never said anything about killing people...
"That's not your business, is it? It is not unless those people wanna make it your business. Till then, fcuk off."
What the fuck...
Not sure if you even understood what I wrote..
"Seriously, how do the moral principles depending on what does it say on the front cover of your passport?"
I was comparing political systems, not people.
"So that in case stealing at gunpoint would be good and in the other it would not?"
w00t?! Seriously, I'm out. You haven't understand anything I've just written. It's useless to put this any further.
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"Well, that person is innocent. It is immoral to kill innocent people. That's all I'm saying."
I never said anything about killing people...
"That's not your business, is it? It is not unless those people wanna make it your business. Till then, fcuk off."
What the fuck...
Not sure if you even understood what I wrote..
"Seriously, how do the moral principles depending on what does it say on the front cover of your passport?"
I was comparing political systems, not people.
"So that in case stealing at gunpoint would be good and in the other it would not?"
w00t?! Seriously, I'm out. You haven't understand anything I've just written. It's useless to put this any further.
Post edited 2013-01-21 21:55:40
2013-01-21 21:54:55
It all comes to one question. Let's say somebody doesn't wanna pay for the school for your kids because he or she things that you are not a likeable person. If that person chooses to do so, resist the arrest, have means and the will to do so, should he or she be killed? Yes or no?
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2013-01-21 21:58:03
Of course not. Are you retarded or why are you even asking something that stupid? He will get a fin, more fins, and if he still doesn't pay the fins he will get to prison for some time. That's just fair. If you're an unsocial barrater who doesn't want to show any solidarity at all and isn't willed to respect the basic agreements/rules of a society you obviously prefer to live in total Anarchy...have fun in Somalia.
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2013-01-21 22:05:35
If that person then refuses to pay fines, and resist the arrest, should he or she be slaughtered?
Why can't you just answer that fcuking question?
Why can't you just answer that fcuking question?
2013-01-21 22:07:19
"Why can't you just answer that fcuking question?"
Why the fuck can't you stop asking this stupid question I answered already like 100 times with "no"?
Police will visit him. They will ask him friendly to sit in their car. If he refuses he will get handcuffs and carried to the car. he will only get violence if he start to be violent himself - but even in this case the police is only allowed to use violence to protect themself.
Why the fuck can't you stop asking this stupid question I answered already like 100 times with "no"?
Police will visit him. They will ask him friendly to sit in their car. If he refuses he will get handcuffs and carried to the car. he will only get violence if he start to be violent himself - but even in this case the police is only allowed to use violence to protect themself.
2013-01-21 22:13:41
> (...) resist the arrest, have means and the will to do so, should he or she be killed?
That's actually a quote from me. Should a person who resist the arrest, have means to do so (firearms) and the will to use those means be killed? Yes or no?
That's actually a quote from me. Should a person who resist the arrest, have means to do so (firearms) and the will to use those means be killed? Yes or no?
2013-01-21 22:18:26
He will get isolated and as long as he doesn't attacks other people (like police officers) he won't get hurt. But if he starts to shoot around he might get shot because police officers (like everyone else) got the right to save their life.
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2013-01-21 22:27:22
And that situation you describe is not violence by your judgement?
In other words, if those were not so called police officers sent by the local regime, though just some other random thugs doing that with you and your property, you wouldn't say that you are a subject to a violence? Oh, would you?
In other words, if those were not so called police officers sent by the local regime, though just some other random thugs doing that with you and your property, you wouldn't say that you are a subject to a violence? Oh, would you?
2013-01-21 22:31:15
If they don't represent the government, which represents the society as a whole, I wouldn't accept such a behavior of course.
You're acting like the government is automatically a criminal institution who uses thugs and violence to make profit for their own...I'm not sure if the situation in Poland is really that fucked up or if you're just too young to understand it. Let's get back to this topic when you're grown up.
Post edited 2013-01-21 22:47:40
You're acting like the government is automatically a criminal institution who uses thugs and violence to make profit for their own...I'm not sure if the situation in Poland is really that fucked up or if you're just too young to understand it. Let's get back to this topic when you're grown up.
Post edited 2013-01-21 22:47:40
2013-01-21 22:43:44
I'm not saying about profits. If anyone makes money of out it or it's all lost or some good is created (lol), it doesn't matter. It is either moral to force people who don't want to pay for your kids school for whatever reason (#243) to do so or it is immoral. I happen to think it's the former. So, how do you feel?
And shut the fcuk up about geographical proximity of the place I reside and the nearest political entity which claims the rights to tax me, seriously. It's low. So is this stupid shit about the age. Maybe not as low as supporting stealing, though still. C'mon :-D. You don't know shit. You have no idea who I am what I did or do and where I am or I've been to.
Post edited 2013-01-21 22:59:26
And shut the fcuk up about geographical proximity of the place I reside and the nearest political entity which claims the rights to tax me, seriously. It's low. So is this stupid shit about the age. Maybe not as low as supporting stealing, though still. C'mon :-D. You don't know shit. You have no idea who I am what I did or do and where I am or I've been to.
Post edited 2013-01-21 22:59:26
2013-01-21 22:52:24
And about the 'regime' thing. Louis XIV of France who used to say "I am the state" (or just, he is said to say so) were not even able to rise taxes unless bunch of other dudes gathered and agreed on it. Now, with todays regimes when you convince two thirds of those who might choose to vote about something you can fcuking rape steal and murder, basically do whatever the fcuk you want. Oh, and when a dictator is a moran, you can fcuking poison the motherfucker, now do the same of two thirds lol. Don't tell me it's any better.
2013-01-21 19:42:56
Improve your English skills.
Got no idea what you're trying to tell me here.
What the fuck..do you really believe it's easier to take power under a dictatorship than in a democratic system?!? So delusional..
Got no idea what you're trying to tell me here.
What the fuck..do you really believe it's easier to take power under a dictatorship than in a democratic system?!? So delusional..
2013-01-21 21:39:15
Point to the sentence that you didn't understand and I'll do my best to rewrite it in a more coherent form. Not a thing.
It should have said "now do the same with the two thirds lol" when it says "now do the same of two thirds lol", though I think it's obvious.
Post edited 2013-01-21 21:55:31
It should have said "now do the same with the two thirds lol" when it says "now do the same of two thirds lol", though I think it's obvious.
Post edited 2013-01-21 21:55:31
2013-01-21 21:48:47
See, sweetheart, some people might just not like you. Personally. And then for you to order those people to pay for the school for your kids and threaten them with slaughter if they disobey you or your thugs (police officers, that's how they are called, right) is just immoral. See, they might think that you are, let's say, a dcikhead and surely so are your kids, should people who think that you are a dcikhead be paying for your stuff? Seriously? Then you are an evil person, I won't hesitate to say that.
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2013-01-21 19:59:49
Jesus Christ...
So the police officer are thugs whose main purpose is to oppress the people? Not sure if the situation in Poland is really that bad or if you're just a delusional 15 year old stoned hippie-kid....
Our police officers are here to protect us and our rights.
Solidarity happens when you're doing your part even you're not best friends with everyone.
Post edited 2013-01-21 21:56:53
So the police officer are thugs whose main purpose is to oppress the people? Not sure if the situation in Poland is really that bad or if you're just a delusional 15 year old stoned hippie-kid....
Our police officers are here to protect us and our rights.
Solidarity happens when you're doing your part even you're not best friends with everyone.
Post edited 2013-01-21 21:56:53
2013-01-21 21:47:03
See, I wanna be friends with everyone, I love this world and I love its people. That is why I feel such a great deal of pain in my heart when I see people pointing guns at each other and stealing things. That's also why morality is so important to me. It's because of love.
2013-01-21 21:51:05
I don't know why do you keep saying this thing about Poland. It's funny though :-D.
> Our police officers are here to protect us and our rights.
Do they protect the rights of people who don't shall ever choose a different way to protect themselves (let's say, a different police force provider) and don't wanna pay for the state police? If so, explain me please, how do they do that?
> Our police officers are here to protect us and our rights.
Do they protect the rights of people who don't shall ever choose a different way to protect themselves (let's say, a different police force provider) and don't wanna pay for the state police? If so, explain me please, how do they do that?
2013-01-21 21:54:43
They protect the rights of every citizen and you are free to protect yourself as long as you respect the law.
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2013-01-21 21:59:42
So I'll be subject to violence whenever I choose to not respect the law and that's even though that wouldn't necessarily mean I did something immoral? Therefore there's violence? State is violence, is it not?
Is it immoral to home school your kids while you reside in Germany? Would you call the people who do so evil? Would you support the fact that the local regime threatens those people with guns?
Post edited 2013-01-21 22:06:01
Is it immoral to home school your kids while you reside in Germany? Would you call the people who do so evil? Would you support the fact that the local regime threatens those people with guns?
Post edited 2013-01-21 22:06:01
2013-01-21 22:04:48
"State is violence, is it not?"
Maybe in Poland, but not here. You only get treated with violence if you're violently yourself.
"Is it immoral to home school your kids"
Here in Switzerland it's not.
"Would you call the people who do so evil?"
Of course not.
"Would you support the fact that the local regime threatens those people with guns?"
Our government doesn't.
Maybe in Poland, but not here. You only get treated with violence if you're violently yourself.
"Is it immoral to home school your kids"
Here in Switzerland it's not.
"Would you call the people who do so evil?"
Of course not.
"Would you support the fact that the local regime threatens those people with guns?"
Our government doesn't.
2013-01-21 22:10:49
> Here in Switzerland it's not.
You are wrong. It is to some degree and in come cantons.
http://www.cruxmove.com/SwissHomeSchooling.htm
Then all the logic still applies, would you call those people who break those laws evil? Would you support the fact that the regime threatens them with guns?
Post edited 2013-01-21 22:22:17
You are wrong. It is to some degree and in come cantons.
http://www.cruxmove.com/SwissHomeSchooling.htm
Then all the logic still applies, would you call those people who break those laws evil? Would you support the fact that the regime threatens them with guns?
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2013-01-21 22:16:41
We got no regime, we have democratic elected government. We're the most democratic nation on this planet. We (the simple people) got more rights than the people anywhere else.
"Then all the logic still applies, would you call those people who break those laws evil?"
Of course I wouldn't call them evil. They just broke a law.
"Would you support the fact that the regime threatens them with guns?"
Our government doesn't threat them with guns.
"Then all the logic still applies, would you call those people who break those laws evil?"
Of course I wouldn't call them evil. They just broke a law.
"Would you support the fact that the regime threatens them with guns?"
Our government doesn't threat them with guns.
2013-01-21 22:31:17
Okay so what you are saying is, it is moral to not sent your kids to public school?
2013-01-21 22:35:10
Not sure about that. Never thought about it.
2013-01-21 22:38:49
Somehow I found that funny. Because then it either is moral and all those thugs who threaten people who choose not to send their kids to public schools with handcuffs evil or it is in fact immoral and then most the the people throughout history kind of satans lovers really.
2013-01-21 22:45:31
I'm sorry, I just found that it might not be understandable. Again then, w/o typos:
Somehow I found that funny. Because then it is either moral and all those thugs who threaten people who choose not to send their kids to public schools with handcuffs are evil or it is in fact immoral and then most people throughout history were kind of satan's lovers really.
Post edited 2013-01-21 23:14:17
Somehow I found that funny. Because then it is either moral and all those thugs who threaten people who choose not to send their kids to public schools with handcuffs are evil or it is in fact immoral and then most people throughout history were kind of satan's lovers really.
Post edited 2013-01-21 23:14:17
2013-01-21 23:13:38
See, maybe I don't like your bridges. If you build some and don't say that others should not use them, I will probably use them as well, if I have a need to. And if decide to charge money for the access, I'll be happy to pay you. Just don't fcuking steal my money at gunpoint to pay for its build-out costs in the first place because, see, stealing is immoral. And I might not like you for whatever reason, I might not like you for your haircut, let's say. It's not your fcuking business unless I make it to be your business. Seriously, take your banana peeling hands off other peoples pockets, don't point guns at them, don't tell them to pay for your school, your bridges, don't tell them which currency should they use. Some might not give a fcuk about your elections either. Seriously, keep your butt washed, don't put your hands on what's not yours and people will let you be. Additionally, it's wise to stfu once in awhile too :-).
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2013-01-21 20:15:35
You're extremely delusional. As if you never visited a school built by the state, used streets built by the state, ...
"Some might not give a fcuk a fcuk about your elections either"
If you don't vote, you just have to accept what other people voted for. You got the right to vote, if you don't use this right you shouldn't cry afterwards.
Like I offer you 20 Euro, you refuse them and afterwards you start bitching about not having those 20 Euros.
"Additionally, it's wise to stfu once in awhile too".
Don't talk like a twat dirty hippie-kid.
"Some might not give a fcuk a fcuk about your elections either"
If you don't vote, you just have to accept what other people voted for. You got the right to vote, if you don't use this right you shouldn't cry afterwards.
Like I offer you 20 Euro, you refuse them and afterwards you start bitching about not having those 20 Euros.
"Additionally, it's wise to stfu once in awhile too".
Don't talk like a twat dirty hippie-kid.
2013-01-21 22:20:56
I'm not bitching about anything. I find it sad that people are subject to coercion and their property are being stolen by force.
And of course I use the stuff that it's been build by the state lol, like if it was possible ever not to. I'm just saying it's immoral to steal, that's all.
> If you don't vote, you just have to accept what other people voted for.
So you're saying that there's a universal moral rule that every human being should obey some dudes in suits who are elected every once in a while in some building near the place their reside and otherwise, that person should be a subject to at least handcuffing? Is that what you're saying?
And of course I use the stuff that it's been build by the state lol, like if it was possible ever not to. I'm just saying it's immoral to steal, that's all.
> If you don't vote, you just have to accept what other people voted for.
So you're saying that there's a universal moral rule that every human being should obey some dudes in suits who are elected every once in a while in some building near the place their reside and otherwise, that person should be a subject to at least handcuffing? Is that what you're saying?
2013-01-21 22:29:08
In Siwtzerland these "dudes in suits" are "normal people" like we are (you don't have to be rich, mighty or anything else). Most of them work beside being politician, some of them even work as normal farmers. That's the good thing about our system. We didn't built an Elite, we - the normal people - are ruling our country. If you don't want to vote for anyone else you can make people vote for you.
"..otherwise, that person should be a subject to at least handcuffing"
What the fuck..I never said anything like that. I just said you would be a moron to use your right to vote and than bitching around afterwards.
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"..otherwise, that person should be a subject to at least handcuffing"
What the fuck..I never said anything like that. I just said you would be a moron to use your right to vote and than bitching around afterwards.
Post edited 2013-01-21 22:38:11
2013-01-21 22:36:59
> In Siwtzerland these "people in suits" are "normal people" like we are. Most of them work beside being political, some of them even work as normal farmers.
I'm sorry, but who exactly cares? I've been to Switzerland, you don't have to tell me all this shit, seriously, I know all that mainstream crap already, I'm just talking about morality here. Not this or some other regime.
> If you don't want to vote for anyone else you can make people vote for you.
Can I just though, not to be subject to what's the outcome of that vote?
> What the fuck..I never said anything like that.
You said that on #250. That if you disobey what the majority has voted the state thugs will at least threaten you with handcuffs.
I'm sorry, but who exactly cares? I've been to Switzerland, you don't have to tell me all this shit, seriously, I know all that mainstream crap already, I'm just talking about morality here. Not this or some other regime.
> If you don't want to vote for anyone else you can make people vote for you.
Can I just though, not to be subject to what's the outcome of that vote?
> What the fuck..I never said anything like that.
You said that on #250. That if you disobey what the majority has voted the state thugs will at least threaten you with handcuffs.
2013-01-21 22:42:13
Do you really believe a society would work without any rules?
Stop smoking so much weed.
Stop smoking so much weed.
2013-01-21 22:46:12
See, there's no Germany or Poland, nor Ukraine for that matter. In reality there are just some border stones and some dudes in suits who claim they represent the country lol. All the other stuff is purely hallucinations. You saw some maps and now you hallucinate about your government thing, you are nuts :-).
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2013-01-21 20:33:35
> 2. What the heck...did you even understand what I wrote? Our government here doesn't occupy anything, it just represents us, the people who live here.
Oh, and what about people who don't wanna be represented, how would you represent them? See, your theory constitutes a paradox, therefore it's nuts.
And wait, is the regime you are praising (Bundesrepublik Deutschland) the same of which citizens are granted political asylum in US because it threatens them with slaughter if they shall home-school their own kids and resist the arrest?
http://www.google.com/search?q=germany+asylum+home..
Oh, and what about people who don't wanna be represented, how would you represent them? See, your theory constitutes a paradox, therefore it's nuts.
And wait, is the regime you are praising (Bundesrepublik Deutschland) the same of which citizens are granted political asylum in US because it threatens them with slaughter if they shall home-school their own kids and resist the arrest?
http://www.google.com/search?q=germany+asylum+home..
2013-01-21 21:17:29
According to Marx's manifest it was completely wrong what Lenin did (starting an revolution as a part of a minority and without living in a democratic liberal system).....
This is the difference only in ways of achieving the same goal - world revolution, not in the basis.
What? The Germans did the exact opposite. They invaded other countries...
Yes, after they legally elected a cannibal in totally "inside country" job. LOL
This is the difference only in ways of achieving the same goal - world revolution, not in the basis.
What? The Germans did the exact opposite. They invaded other countries...
Yes, after they legally elected a cannibal in totally "inside country" job. LOL
2012-07-19 22:38:20
> Just because some people make bad decision you don't get the right to force them to change.
They way to deal with people who make bad decisions is through ostracism. Though those who initiate force actively oppose that decision of yours towards them, hence, it is them trying to 'change' you, and not the other way, past that point. You are right in what you write, you just don't quite understand it tho :-D.
They way to deal with people who make bad decisions is through ostracism. Though those who initiate force actively oppose that decision of yours towards them, hence, it is them trying to 'change' you, and not the other way, past that point. You are right in what you write, you just don't quite understand it tho :-D.
2013-01-20 16:03:15
Declaration of war? U must have had a bad dream. They tell us about revolution in other countries. It`s a kind of world integration oppositive to USA plan to "make democracy and market economy" all over the world.
2012-07-19 22:03:41
Read Marx and Engels, vodka guy, war=revolution, world war=world revolution. For them a large-scaled armed conflicts and wars are the objective necessity.
2012-07-19 22:12:17
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0.. - i think u know russian, salo guy. Revolutions are not always equal to wars :(
2012-07-19 22:20:32
Dude, you make me sad now:-(
2012-07-20 00:55:01
Im sorry but ur argument is invalid.
P/s : Its not a good way to talk about my country like that bro
So THEY ARE RIGHT TO INVADE AND KILL OUR PEOPLE? DO THINK AGAIN PLZ???
P/s : Its not a good way to talk about my country like that bro
So THEY ARE RIGHT TO INVADE AND KILL OUR PEOPLE? DO THINK AGAIN PLZ???
2012-07-21 18:48:45
U started a war because you wanted to rule the world and killed millions of innocent people just because u dont like their race/religion/origin, i dont give a shit about americans we are talking about Germrany here. I never said USA was an innocent country i just became surprise how a german guy can talk shit about other countries and not look at their own.
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2012-07-19 21:13:15
First of all I never wanted a war nor did my parents. Second of all we all know that was terribly wrong and everyone deeply regrets this ever happened.
You made fun of v1laiN (who said the past wars caused by the intervention of the USA were wrong) just because he's German. Think about that.
Post edited 2012-07-19 21:19:56
You made fun of v1laiN (who said the past wars caused by the intervention of the USA were wrong) just because he's German. Think about that.
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2012-07-19 21:18:58
What i meant with "u" was your state/government and i know that u didnt want war. But when u talk about wars your state should be mention, England should be too because there were times that were conquering everything.
2012-07-19 21:26:22
I don't think it really matters where you come from. Your opinion about the past wars isn't invalid just because you're from country X and not country Y and people from country X got the same right to express their opinion about those wars.
What you probably misunderstood is: It was never about accusations or talking shit about people from a specific country. v1llaiN simply mentioned that the earth would have been a better place without those wars (he mentioned the USA because they were actually involved in almost every war of the past 50 years).
Post edited 2012-07-19 21:35:59
What you probably misunderstood is: It was never about accusations or talking shit about people from a specific country. v1llaiN simply mentioned that the earth would have been a better place without those wars (he mentioned the USA because they were actually involved in almost every war of the past 50 years).
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2012-07-19 21:34:47
Everyone can have an opinion just be constructive, many wars happened and many states did stupid things and killed innocent people inc. England, Germany, USA and many many other countries.
2012-07-19 21:54:17
Yes, that's true. But the most important thing is what people actually learn about the past.
It makes me sick to see how some Russians still pray to Staling like he's a God. I mean, this guy was actually on the same level as Hitler. He caused the death of over 30 million people.
It's important to study the history from an objective perspective and to learn from the past so these things won't happen again.
It makes me sick to see how some Russians still pray to Staling like he's a God. I mean, this guy was actually on the same level as Hitler. He caused the death of over 30 million people.
It's important to study the history from an objective perspective and to learn from the past so these things won't happen again.
2012-07-19 22:03:59
We are just grateful to him for building most powerful country (ofc he only ruled, but still)
2012-07-19 22:22:43
People in Germany didn`t vote for Hitler and his government in 1933.
2012-07-19 22:05:46
Read what i said im not blaming the whole Germany for a thing that was done by a few people and no one wants their state to start a world war because they would get fucked
2012-07-19 22:08:05
They did, unfortunately, many just stayed home instead of going to the ballot, which made it easier for NSDAP to gain power and implement laws to enable what we germans will regret until the end of time, probably.
Concerning villain's real subject: If mankind had the technical and economic possibilities we have nowadays, people would have done exactly the same decades ago, simple as that. People might be able to evolute technology but the motives for wars and attemps to gain superiority towards others will remain the same.
Concerning villain's real subject: If mankind had the technical and economic possibilities we have nowadays, people would have done exactly the same decades ago, simple as that. People might be able to evolute technology but the motives for wars and attemps to gain superiority towards others will remain the same.
2012-07-21 00:21:47
So wars stimulate progress
2012-07-21 11:04:31
you still blame an entire nation for something what happend 70years ago? if you want to take it that way.
said the guy who had half of the planet as colony and salvery for decades.
At least they killed them immediately instead of getting an awful live of pain for many years.
Post edited 2012-07-19 21:29:36
said the guy who had half of the planet as colony and salvery for decades.
At least they killed them immediately instead of getting an awful live of pain for many years.
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2012-07-19 21:25:56
+1
2012-07-20 00:57:06
8 million civilian? US Army? very brutal and sad.... World War II. civilian dead over 49 millions i dont know what i say, tears only
2012-07-19 21:49:12
+1, I think it's the same with Libya.
2012-07-20 01:19:08
History of mankind? Hmm..check your history books, many bigger wars have been fought..not with bullets ofc ;)
2012-07-19 21:39:40
indeed
2012-07-19 21:41:15
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death..
2012-07-19 21:42:56
yeah wikipedia source of facts :- )
2012-07-19 21:47:33
Give me a war that had more deaths ?
2012-07-19 21:49:03
I have only been alive for 21 years and have spent noen of that time researching what you are asking : /
2012-07-19 21:51:18
Then dont talk
2012-07-19 21:55:01
do you think people had time for counting that 1000years ago? most of these wars are only 400years old. these are just speculations for sure they are more or less accurate but you dont find any legit informations about the real old wars. some say 20millions some say 20. oh wait we just drift again away from the thread about disucssion how many died. just to many thats it.
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2012-07-19 21:57:43
They don't even mention the native americans genocide. Oo
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2012-07-19 22:10:49
because that was not a war it was a genocide
2012-07-26 00:12:13
Seriously? Imagine Alexander the Great, Julius Cesar or Napoleon having the same technology people had in WW2. Or imperialists in 19th century. I am pretty sure there would have been at least one historical incident with higher amounts of victims.
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2012-07-21 00:27:34
what is this? an exam?
2012-07-19 22:56:28
SERBIA
2012-07-21 00:13:58
LOL says a little faggot whose country murdered 700k people in the most brutal way possible. How pathetic people can be. face the facts idiot
2013-01-20 14:58:44
well it certainly wasn't the OP or his government in these past 40 years. I hope you realize its 2013.
2013-01-21 17:18:47
The USA has killed more innocent civilians in the last 100 years than Germany has.
2013-01-21 18:46:38
boy that escalated quickly.
2013-01-21 22:48:50
British imperialism is equally responsible for World War.
2013-01-22 11:55:20
We must also look at what kind of war we're making, only economic interest...
2012-07-19 19:48:38
it's quite human to look for personal interests, so I wouldn't hold my breath.
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2012-07-19 21:05:43
Thats deep bro
2012-07-19 19:49:48
One day, descendants of privileged people will go to the university and listen to a professor talk about a planet called Earth.
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2012-07-19 20:54:37
#1: No, not just 100 years. That's not even close to right
#2: No, that will probably not extinguish humanity. As it starts to have a large negative impact, people will die off in great numbers, limiting further effect. Destruction of living necessities by an organism is a self limiting system
#2: No, that will probably not extinguish humanity. As it starts to have a large negative impact, people will die off in great numbers, limiting further effect. Destruction of living necessities by an organism is a self limiting system
2012-07-19 21:20:30
which drugs are you taking? whats the big deal about that? thats how human kind worked for over 4000years
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2012-07-19 21:23:16
not really
2012-07-19 21:51:26
and how do i have to understand that? no drugs for you or do you want to tell me something?
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2012-07-19 21:54:37
Humans haven't abused the Earth like we do today for more than 4000 years, if that's what you're saying. I might have misunderstood your first comment though.
2012-07-19 22:55:26
they always did it. just today we got more technology and population to get more of it out/need it. Companies want to grow these days/greedy. For sure 1000years ago we didnt abused it so much as we do today thats right but we always did. He also talked about wars which pretty much nothing changed till today. And talked about searching for life in space which pretty much makes nosense as long as there is money and interest to get technology further there is no reason or sense to stop it. You could complain about the amount but thats all. Just another mindfucked thread on hltv
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2012-07-19 23:14:02
then what's the point of your first comment when you know that it's a whole different ball game when having over seven billion people(and counting) on the planet, and new ways and reasons to drain the Earth of its resources?
we shouldn't work harder towards a better way of doing things because people was "as bad"(which wasn't the case) 4000 years ago..?
Post edited 2012-07-20 00:10:36
we shouldn't work harder towards a better way of doing things because people was "as bad"(which wasn't the case) 4000 years ago..?
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2012-07-20 00:08:53
sorry but i cant follow you. come to the point? we have a better live then most of the guys 4000years ago had. whats your point? is there any change you want to tell me about?
2012-07-20 00:39:30
Everybody should watch the documantation "Earthlings". Watch it and wake up!
2012-07-19 21:23:56
This is the world we live in. Buckle up.
2012-07-19 21:40:32
Need Admin here !
Stop guys :) , make no sense! Every human think like #1 said , we destroy Terra etc , all want to do something to stop this , all think in this way but if 1 human , just fucking 1 don't start to do it??!! what we speaking about..
Stop guys :) , make no sense! Every human think like #1 said , we destroy Terra etc , all want to do something to stop this , all think in this way but if 1 human , just fucking 1 don't start to do it??!! what we speaking about..
2012-07-19 21:53:26
v1llaiN you right! (google translate)
2012-07-19 21:54:44
welcome to the world.. so you just got into puberty and started thinking about the world, your own and all others existence and that humans are not perfect etc...?
congrats, thats the first step to becoming a better person who cares more about his environment (people and nature).
congrats, thats the first step to becoming a better person who cares more about his environment (people and nature).
2012-07-19 21:57:54
I don't understand why we discuss here whether the WWII is worse than what the USA did the last 60 years. I could have mentioned any nation (because each had a war and did crimes) but I mentioned one of the modern times.
In This thread you should discuss whether mankind can go on this way or not. In my opinion it cannot. Maybe in 100-150 years, all men will be gone due to nature catastrophes, nuclear wars or climatic scenarios. you already see the poles melting, the temperatures rising, the forests dying. good night mankind!
In This thread you should discuss whether mankind can go on this way or not. In my opinion it cannot. Maybe in 100-150 years, all men will be gone due to nature catastrophes, nuclear wars or climatic scenarios. you already see the poles melting, the temperatures rising, the forests dying. good night mankind!
2012-07-19 22:02:24
\o
2012-07-27 17:48:20
you can not put the americans only in it.
We european are always folowing them.
You dont need to forget where u got good people u got bad people and it WILL BE ALWAYS the bad Taking over the good.
Its not completly true of course like human rights getting better,etc....
We will ofcourse destroy earth like we almost did back in time with the cold war xD
But its not for now so i am lucky.
Wars are never good because ur maiby gonna stop a regime or wathever else but in the end there will be casualties.
who are the most casualties ?
the civilians of course who dont wanna get into a war.
Kids,women,men...
So great isnt it? and u still see people posting USA did a great thing to go to iraq etc...
Are u serious ? u never have been in the army or live in those countries what are u guys even talking?
I have never been into a war but still it aint good.
You need to blame politics and people who are voting for extremism.
We european are always folowing them.
You dont need to forget where u got good people u got bad people and it WILL BE ALWAYS the bad Taking over the good.
Its not completly true of course like human rights getting better,etc....
We will ofcourse destroy earth like we almost did back in time with the cold war xD
But its not for now so i am lucky.
Wars are never good because ur maiby gonna stop a regime or wathever else but in the end there will be casualties.
who are the most casualties ?
the civilians of course who dont wanna get into a war.
Kids,women,men...
So great isnt it? and u still see people posting USA did a great thing to go to iraq etc...
Are u serious ? u never have been in the army or live in those countries what are u guys even talking?
I have never been into a war but still it aint good.
You need to blame politics and people who are voting for extremism.
2012-07-19 22:04:53
In europe we destroyed about 90% of our farmland.
We (europe/usa = ~20% of the population) "consume" 80% of the earth.
That's a fact. Earth is in a bad shape right now.
Let's visit : Mr.Mondialisation on internet.
https://www.facebook.com/M.Mondialisation
http://www.youtube.com/user/mrmondialisation
you can see also some of his videos :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irZf576aZQM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfCgdOfdYKw
He translates all his vids in english.
you all will sleep less idiot tonight.
PS : there is a lot of kids completly brainwashed. Hf to argue with them.
Post edited 2012-07-19 23:00:22
We (europe/usa = ~20% of the population) "consume" 80% of the earth.
That's a fact. Earth is in a bad shape right now.
Let's visit : Mr.Mondialisation on internet.
https://www.facebook.com/M.Mondialisation
http://www.youtube.com/user/mrmondialisation
you can see also some of his videos :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irZf576aZQM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfCgdOfdYKw
He translates all his vids in english.
you all will sleep less idiot tonight.
PS : there is a lot of kids completly brainwashed. Hf to argue with them.
Post edited 2012-07-19 23:00:22
2012-07-19 22:56:23
dafuq did i just watched :D Now i feel kinda brainwashed with that voice and that face. Its hard to get any serious attention with such a show up. Thats exactly why people can sometimes take such things not serious and call you either brainwashed.
Post edited 2012-07-19 23:35:54
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2012-07-19 23:24:08
As you want, nobody retains you to build your own opinon. ;)
2012-07-19 23:36:18
the video you are evolution is an eye opener.
2012-07-21 10:55:06
yes it is =)
2012-07-21 17:57:56
Thanks for the you are evolution,it gave me a lot of nice feelings:)
2013-01-21 14:23:42
np =)
2013-01-21 19:07:36
It's not Portugal fault so I'm REALLY HAPPY NOW! YEAHHH!
Just kidding
Very discussed topic but good luck to wake the "big people". They are the real problem of our world.
Just kidding
Very discussed topic but good luck to wake the "big people". They are the real problem of our world.
2012-07-19 22:58:48
Don't worry, everything is going according to the plan
2012-07-20 00:47:49
and what might that be?
2012-07-20 23:54:09
There were worse conditions on the world than this long years ago.
The Nature is able to recover himself, believe me
Post edited 2012-07-20 23:56:23
The Nature is able to recover himself, believe me
Post edited 2012-07-20 23:56:23
2012-07-20 23:56:05
wheres greenland anyway?
2012-07-21 00:22:03
On the Earth, maybe
2012-07-21 09:11:59
well, of course. my concern is that it won't be livable for humans some time in the future.
calling it a plan is though a bit weird, I must say. :p
calling it a plan is though a bit weird, I must say. :p
2012-07-21 21:03:43
You should've lived in the early 50's and move to Ibiza. That was hippies land, where the only thing you cared about was to not "destroy" the world: you grab some fruit?, okay, plant a tree.
Keeping in touch humans and nature - where we really come from - and understanding we are nothing compared to LIFE. And for what?
To get FREE in every single way we aren't right now in this world we're living in.
That should've been awesome...
Keeping in touch humans and nature - where we really come from - and understanding we are nothing compared to LIFE. And for what?
To get FREE in every single way we aren't right now in this world we're living in.
That should've been awesome...
2012-07-21 00:05:07
long live Israel!
2012-07-21 09:26:38
+1, i hope u have been ironic
ps: first smart indian i have seen on hltv.org
ps: first smart indian i have seen on hltv.org
2012-07-21 11:04:13
I love Israel.
2012-07-21 11:11:01
believe me, the entire mankind is not able to exist on this planet in ~150 years when it continues like this. we have got financial conflicts, war conflicts, social conflicts, religious conflicts(which cause many wars). by using the technology of today (especially military technology) we do nothing but destroy our beautiful lands which were given to us by God.
Do you really believe our life is right? I say no. Each day we watch TV and see poor people in Africa, Asia even Europe die. Why? Men can still not care for themselves because of capitalism and greed of the rich. The poor die, the rich give a shit about them. And even you give a shit about them. Maybe you donate a little amount of money per year but be honest to yourself: this is not enough and you exactly know it. However you are satisfied as you think "oh i gave my money to them so it's okay" - end of story.
I say when the climatic catastrophes begin, when men are absconding due to the rising ocean's level, when the capitalists lose their money due to financial crisis we will have one more war WWIII, then we can say "bye planet earth", then we see the nuclear rockets fly
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Do you really believe our life is right? I say no. Each day we watch TV and see poor people in Africa, Asia even Europe die. Why? Men can still not care for themselves because of capitalism and greed of the rich. The poor die, the rich give a shit about them. And even you give a shit about them. Maybe you donate a little amount of money per year but be honest to yourself: this is not enough and you exactly know it. However you are satisfied as you think "oh i gave my money to them so it's okay" - end of story.
I say when the climatic catastrophes begin, when men are absconding due to the rising ocean's level, when the capitalists lose their money due to financial crisis we will have one more war WWIII, then we can say "bye planet earth", then we see the nuclear rockets fly
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2012-07-21 11:10:15
man, it's typical at your age to start thinking about everything and to think this way, but don't feel obliged to share it
2012-07-21 18:25:04
1. There has always been wars, since the dawn of mankind. I personally blame this socalled "God" whether it's the "Easter Bunny" or "Santa Claus" or "Jesus". Same shit, different name.
2. That's just straight up lies and bullshit. Have you ever heard of the word "philantrophy"? That's where rich people try to help poor people get an education and food on their tables. Look at the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Look at Buffet's intentions with his pension. Every last cent will go to the needy in Africa. Countless billionaires are helping the needy through philantrophic organizations, so you're just trying to bring shame to buying a Ferrari now and then, which is just total bullshit.
3. Where have you been the past decade? This is the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. Where's your WWIII? Afghanistan and Iraq is the closest, and I agree, we will have a WWIII some point in time. But stop kidding yourself by trying to predict when it's going to happen. That's just silly. You can't control it.
2. That's just straight up lies and bullshit. Have you ever heard of the word "philantrophy"? That's where rich people try to help poor people get an education and food on their tables. Look at the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Look at Buffet's intentions with his pension. Every last cent will go to the needy in Africa. Countless billionaires are helping the needy through philantrophic organizations, so you're just trying to bring shame to buying a Ferrari now and then, which is just total bullshit.
3. Where have you been the past decade? This is the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. Where's your WWIII? Afghanistan and Iraq is the closest, and I agree, we will have a WWIII some point in time. But stop kidding yourself by trying to predict when it's going to happen. That's just silly. You can't control it.
2012-07-21 18:44:43
religion wars were happening like 300 and more years ago but not anymore now its all about financial gain
2012-07-26 00:15:45
my grandfather always told me: the truth is better than love
2012-07-21 18:24:12
I personally don't care about environment, dead polar bears, some fish floating upside down, abusing earth resources... even wars in general. Planet can handle this stuff by itself. Ask dinosaurs.
Biggest problem now is overpopulation. In the middle of XX century on earth lived 4 billion humans, and now, in only 50 years this number doubled. Perfect time has come to block this semen flow.
And because of progressive medicine, cumulative quality of human gene pool declined massively. Weak survive, diseased, mentally ill, disabled... And they give birth to second generation of defect humans. Some blind-from-birth guy makes 3 children, some midget lady makes 7. all of them blind and midgets also. Why? And they become famous tv stars, like two-headed girl from USA.
In year 2100 humanity will turn in circus-freak show, or colony of mutants from total recall.
Biggest problem now is overpopulation. In the middle of XX century on earth lived 4 billion humans, and now, in only 50 years this number doubled. Perfect time has come to block this semen flow.
And because of progressive medicine, cumulative quality of human gene pool declined massively. Weak survive, diseased, mentally ill, disabled... And they give birth to second generation of defect humans. Some blind-from-birth guy makes 3 children, some midget lady makes 7. all of them blind and midgets also. Why? And they become famous tv stars, like two-headed girl from USA.
In year 2100 humanity will turn in circus-freak show, or colony of mutants from total recall.
2012-07-21 18:35:18
lets send retards and africa to the space!
2012-07-21 20:21:07
KILL EVERY 3TH!
2012-07-25 22:09:30
its funny when people reply to this as 'what the hell?' when this is factually 100% true :D
and controlling over population isnt as hard as people make out to be, allow only 1 child to be conceived, or have certain years where children arent allowed. Just some crazy thoughts
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and controlling over population isnt as hard as people make out to be, allow only 1 child to be conceived, or have certain years where children arent allowed. Just some crazy thoughts
Post edited 2013-01-20 16:15:30
2013-01-20 16:13:42
c'mon join me Heal the wooooorld, make it a better plaaaaace..
2012-07-21 18:42:11
o.O wtf?Seems like u used your brain 4 the very first time.
2012-07-21 20:09:55
an absolutly enormous ice berg on greenland did just today fall and the ice is smelting faster then ever by today.
thats what they said in the radio station while i was playing cs and raping the earth by using my big power-raping pc tower
thats what they said in the radio station while i was playing cs and raping the earth by using my big power-raping pc tower
2012-07-25 22:08:32
Faster than ever? Pls how can you compare this process to 1900 year for exmaple? Or 1930? Or 1870? We can't because people don't give a shit backdays and also they were not able to check it. Now we have super devices, new technology and other stuff... What is my conclusion? Global warming is a world imagination.
2012-07-25 22:17:47
exactly!
2012-07-25 23:23:11
yes new technology that can tell us that its going faster then ever.
"global warming is a world imagination" i really laughed at this part sorry :D
have you watched al gore - an inconvenient truth? looks alot like you havent.
watch it then we can talk :]
http://www.1channel.ch/watch-765-An-Inconvenient-T..
"global warming is a world imagination" i really laughed at this part sorry :D
have you watched al gore - an inconvenient truth? looks alot like you havent.
watch it then we can talk :]
http://www.1channel.ch/watch-765-An-Inconvenient-T..
2012-07-25 23:40:26
well global warming is a reality, but it is also deeply overstated, mainly for economic reasons, but shit, everything is overstated so that we'll consume what they want us to consume...
2012-07-25 23:48:04
well i dont remember the info but im pretty sure it was a 144 kilometer omkreds ice berg that just fall into the water and SMELTED just TODAY. emagine the rest of ENTIRE greenland smelting. i guess the 7 metres the scientist say the ocean will increase with is slightly underrated imo.
but im not a scientist
but im not a scientist
2012-07-25 23:57:16
well i'm not a specialist either, irony aside, but how on earth could we know this didnot happen like millions of years ago, even before mankind existed, and this is just a regular, perfectly normal cycle we are going through? that's my point, science can prove and has proved a lot of things, and it'll still be that way from now on, but then, some other people can, thanks to power and money, use real scientific facts & "bend" them to make us believe something/consume something.
2012-07-26 01:20:13
http://www.1channel.ch/watch-765-An-Inconvenient-T..
2012-07-26 02:11:27
if every country had a dictator, and every dictator would get along. there wouldn't be any problem
2012-07-25 22:20:08
haha troll :D
2012-07-25 23:57:51
Its CAPITALISM and IMPERIALISM that is destroying da world. We need more commmunism dawg
2012-07-25 22:22:45
anarchy > all
2012-07-25 23:23:45
Capitalism is economic anarchy.
2013-01-21 18:41:56
Yes, there is capitalism with high taxes with many prohibitions. It's a SOCIALISM
2013-01-21 22:47:43
i just wait 21.12.2012 to see what would happen next :D maybe they will attack so they can get our water :PP and btw. Europe Union U SUCKS!
2012-07-26 02:15:45
I do agree with you villain , I think for us to survive we need to become more developed consciously, so that we can live in a more sustainable world. I think people need to realise that war, violence, racism etc will get us no where and it will only cause more suffering, we have the resources to live in peace but we decide not to, which could be due to a lack of understanding and sympathy for others
2012-07-26 03:13:57
+1
2012-07-26 22:21:53
Penis.
2012-07-26 03:25:10
win
2013-01-21 18:48:10
?
2012-07-26 03:49:49
i dont want to reply to some specific coments,but this goes to all the guys here talking about past century or the last 4.000 bla bla and technology,let me get this str8,we live in a planet that possible lives for over 2 MILLIONS,it has beed through ice ages,moons meteorites or w/e have crash it,etc,i would hold my breath to call what we have now "advanced technology"
just because the chances are,that in theese 2 million history(or w/e the number is)human existed or re-existed.
nasa have emulator for cosmonauts with lower gravity to train them when they go out there,and u still put gas on the car,poluting the earth 80% just for ONE reason : MOVING OUR BODIES
grats human kind,and technology,u are very advanced.
just because the chances are,that in theese 2 million history(or w/e the number is)human existed or re-existed.
nasa have emulator for cosmonauts with lower gravity to train them when they go out there,and u still put gas on the car,poluting the earth 80% just for ONE reason : MOVING OUR BODIES
grats human kind,and technology,u are very advanced.
2012-07-26 05:12:32
http://www.halforums.com/xenforo/attachments/c8a-g..
2012-07-27 17:44:30
yes, we are running straight to our end.
sometimes, when you realize it, it is a shock, so you make a topic on hltv.org.
sometimes, when you realize it, it is a shock, so you make a topic on hltv.org.
2012-07-27 17:56:35
http://www.cinebixx.com/
2013-01-20 09:32:20
cool
2013-01-20 10:35:39
I like how some guy makes some crazy assumptions and calls it "The truth".
2013-01-20 12:49:26
You don't own the 'earth resources', you did not purchase neither paid for those in any amount that would matter, defaq you think you can then tell other people what should they do with the stuff that you don't own? Seriously, stfu.
2013-01-20 14:47:06
Tell me who the fuck didn't know USA was destroying the world indirectly? I hope they die in their war investment
2013-01-20 15:02:28
The wars only occur because those who pay for them (i.e. anyone who is a subject of a direct or indirect taxation) are not the people who benefit for them (in this case, mostly those who can make profit from an artificial demand for goods that either army or the war itself generates). Hence, if someone were about to die because of it, economically or whatever, those would not be the people responsible for it to happen in the first place.
2013-01-20 15:09:12
nobody cares if they bomb the middle east
2013-01-20 16:07:32
india best country to live
big economics, great ppl, and beutifull women jijijiji
sry, sry for insultes
big economics, great ppl, and beutifull women jijijiji
sry, sry for insultes
2013-01-20 17:50:47
Please delete this topic , you(hltv philosophers) want a peace on the earth and start writing your arguments and phrases with wings but you even make a coflicts and argue with each other you make an elephant from an ant , I can't understand u talk about peace and make A Forum Wars at the same time , Jew Mad Broz??
2013-01-20 19:13:35
uneducated retards talking and fighting like retards.....
human nature will always perceive the mistakes it makes, but on the other hand they will try and hide the real reason why they made it and try and blame it on something entirely different.
human nature will always perceive the mistakes it makes, but on the other hand they will try and hide the real reason why they made it and try and blame it on something entirely different.
2013-01-20 19:41:46
i think U.S.A is the dirtiest country in the world at this moment. 'Look at Hitler' . Please Hitler was a puppet led by the people above him. Look at Stalin, if an educated person knows what stalin did, you wouldn't be thinking that badly of hitler. Yes they are both criminals in their own way and as far as I am concerned not many western countries learn about stalin at all...in the UK and US especially. Both countries are so self centered, if they were to point to a location of germany on the map without the actual country names on it, i guess they would most likely fail.
In england you will learn about their wars, their history same with the US...what you ignore or don't actually learn is the reason why your arguments are invalid, because your insight into war and egoism is so little.
Not even touching the fact, both the Great Britain and U.S have the most blood on their hands without a shadow of doubt.
Germans had how many wars?
Exactly
P.S: not even german, just educated
Post edited 2013-01-20 19:46:37
In england you will learn about their wars, their history same with the US...what you ignore or don't actually learn is the reason why your arguments are invalid, because your insight into war and egoism is so little.
Not even touching the fact, both the Great Britain and U.S have the most blood on their hands without a shadow of doubt.
Germans had how many wars?
Exactly
P.S: not even german, just educated
Post edited 2013-01-20 19:46:37
2013-01-20 19:44:54
nah ur stupid ROFL
literally one of the worse pieces of writing i've ever read and totally inaccurate
Hitler was a puppet led by the people above him.
moron
Post edited 2013-01-21 18:34:55
literally one of the worse pieces of writing i've ever read and totally inaccurate
Hitler was a puppet led by the people above him.
moron
Post edited 2013-01-21 18:34:55
2013-01-21 18:34:02
ibeg
2013-01-21 18:44:39
today i was thinking about the world and you know what? my conclusion is that everyone is an egoist who gives a shit about others
oRly ? ofc money is everything now, that mostly cause this :)
oRly ? ofc money is everything now, that mostly cause this :)
2013-01-21 14:53:25
Ah yes. Keyboard warriors discussing wars.
2013-01-21 17:47:35
As an European you have no right to criticize USA. Europeans invaded whole lot of countries and sucked them dry. Nowadays USA has taken over with full support of its European NATO allies.
2013-01-21 18:00:28
sorry but germany was responsible for WW1 and WW2
flame on
kthxbye
flame on
kthxbye
2013-01-21 18:27:51
germany was just as responsible for ww1 as the other countries, you should check some history books.
as for ww2, there are two sides to every coin.
as for ww2, there are two sides to every coin.
2013-01-21 20:38:28
now u would say treaty of versailles was responsible for WW2? after breaking many pacts of treaty of versailles, which i think was good as some of those pacts were unacceptable, germany started invading other countries which started WW2
2013-01-22 06:11:12
the treaty of versailles was not responsible for ww2 but it played a big role to some extent.
fact is that germany got treated very unfair after ww1 even though germany was just another country in this clutter of retarded alliances at this time. actually this stupid policy of alliances was what made the war "getting out of hand".
afterwards giving germany the only war guilt was plain retarded, it literally made a third world country out of germany with all the things germany had to pay for.. people lived in poverty and starved IN GERMANY, can you imagine that?
for a country with a big military history, pride and intelligence it was just not acceptable and it was almost sure that such a treaty would only cause further problems.
the situation made it very easy for the right-wing party to get attention with crazy ideas which wouldn't have been the case if germany got treated more fairly after ww1. not saying that all the bad things wouldn't have happened but it would have been a lot harder for the nazis.
and hitler also based his philosophy on the unfair treatment of versailles, you see the connection?
fact is that germany got treated very unfair after ww1 even though germany was just another country in this clutter of retarded alliances at this time. actually this stupid policy of alliances was what made the war "getting out of hand".
afterwards giving germany the only war guilt was plain retarded, it literally made a third world country out of germany with all the things germany had to pay for.. people lived in poverty and starved IN GERMANY, can you imagine that?
for a country with a big military history, pride and intelligence it was just not acceptable and it was almost sure that such a treaty would only cause further problems.
the situation made it very easy for the right-wing party to get attention with crazy ideas which wouldn't have been the case if germany got treated more fairly after ww1. not saying that all the bad things wouldn't have happened but it would have been a lot harder for the nazis.
and hitler also based his philosophy on the unfair treatment of versailles, you see the connection?
2013-01-22 11:50:11
u didnt get my point there
breaking those pacts of treaty was the only choice as some of them were unacceptable
generally while writing everyone would write germany was the reason for WW2 but it was hitler
breaking those pacts of treaty was the only choice as some of them were unacceptable
generally while writing everyone would write germany was the reason for WW2 but it was hitler
2013-01-22 15:28:15
i got your point but you didn't get my point.
the treaty influenced him a lot and it played into hitler's hands, it made things easier for him.
the treaty influenced him a lot and it played into hitler's hands, it made things easier for him.
2013-01-22 16:50:28
when we write germany was responsible, it actually means hitler was responsible
and when somethings easy for u it doesnt mean u should do it
Post edited 2013-01-22 17:16:26
and when somethings easy for u it doesnt mean u should do it
Post edited 2013-01-22 17:16:26
2013-01-22 17:15:48
War is beneficial for the USA as it generates gigantic profits. They will never stop fighting pointless conflicts in the middle east as it has become the norm.
Regarding if a civilisation could have exited before humans; dinosaurs only appeared 230 million years ago while the earth is 4.54 billion years, so I think it could actually be possible.
Regarding if a civilisation could have exited before humans; dinosaurs only appeared 230 million years ago while the earth is 4.54 billion years, so I think it could actually be possible.
2013-01-21 18:40:29
The Truth = Paul Pierce.
2013-01-21 18:51:27
it's because of governments, not because of citizens...
Post edited 2013-01-21 20:57:53
Post edited 2013-01-21 20:57:53
2013-01-21 20:57:39
You know what?
Fuck the USA and fuck Germany. Fuck all western or eastern Countries except Israel.
Everything important began with Israel and everything will end with Isreal.
I am not saying, fuck the whole Countries in general or all People living in those Countries, but the only thing that counts as a human being is not the nationallity, but rather our Spirit.
It's a godly fact that there are people on earth with a good and wrong Spirit.
It's also a Fact that every wrong Spirit could become good only through Gods Power and Will.
Means what's really important is what we represent as a human being from a human and godly sight.
You may never forget that the goods exactly as the bad ones exist all over the Planet.
Means those old WW Discussions are needless.
Everything began with God and will end through him and those Imaginations of the Thread Starter, I mean that what he said about existing life on planets before us, are not more than a simple Imagination, which hasn't anything to do with created Life from God, since the very Beginning of our computation of time.
Post edited 2013-01-21 23:37:20
Fuck the USA and fuck Germany. Fuck all western or eastern Countries except Israel.
Everything important began with Israel and everything will end with Isreal.
I am not saying, fuck the whole Countries in general or all People living in those Countries, but the only thing that counts as a human being is not the nationallity, but rather our Spirit.
It's a godly fact that there are people on earth with a good and wrong Spirit.
It's also a Fact that every wrong Spirit could become good only through Gods Power and Will.
Means what's really important is what we represent as a human being from a human and godly sight.
You may never forget that the goods exactly as the bad ones exist all over the Planet.
Means those old WW Discussions are needless.
Everything began with God and will end through him and those Imaginations of the Thread Starter, I mean that what he said about existing life on planets before us, are not more than a simple Imagination, which hasn't anything to do with created Life from God, since the very Beginning of our computation of time.
Post edited 2013-01-21 23:37:20
2013-01-21 23:36:07
"Everything important began with Israel and everything will end with Isreal."
explain please
explain please
2013-01-22 18:25:54
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