Religion is dying
The more time moves forward, the less important religion is.
Today, there are still MANY MANY believers out there, but percent wise, they are shrinking. 300 years ago, before Darwin, before Newton, etc, religion was a more serious business, no doubt... Almost everybody believed the divine story of creation (different religions with different stories), for example... And now, after Darwin, the story is a little different. 1000 years ago, religion was the absolute center of pretty much everyones life, and look how different it is today. I am not saying Religion is dead, because of course its not, I am saying religion is dying.

This is not a troll atempt, I am just posting my opinion, you can agree with me, or disagree, no problem with that. In my opinion, its a good thing that less and less people go to bed praying for an invisible man everyday. I find that ridiculous.
(584 replies)
Created 2012-07-22 03:04 by: mauro2
Thank god it is ! :D
2012-07-22 03:06:45
haha
2012-07-22 03:15:34
cs 1.6 is my religion and sure it is dying
2012-07-27 17:00:32
cs:go fan boy ;c detected...

Post edited 2012-12-19 14:12:07
2012-12-19 14:11:54
csgo fan boy ? HE SAID cs 1.6 is MY RELIGION !! think next time :)
2012-12-19 14:13:16
and sure it is dying
=] read all dude
2012-12-19 16:28:08
CS 1.6 is his religion and its dying , where he wrote that is csgo fanboy?

Post edited 2012-12-19 16:35:21
2012-12-19 16:35:06
"sure it is dying" dude ... hi say cs is dying for sure ....
2012-12-19 19:11:30
where he said he is cs:go fanboy ? HE SAID CS 1.6 HIS RELIGION AND IT IS DYING !!! nvm -;-

Post edited 2012-12-19 22:03:50
2012-12-19 22:02:57
1.6 is dead. There I corrected him.
2013-01-05 06:00:39
+1, people getting more intelligent nowdays
2012-07-22 04:15:48
+1
2012-07-22 10:06:15
. wrong reply

Post edited 2012-07-22 10:52:39
2012-07-22 10:47:29
religion makes people happy thu so dono why wud u wanna kill such a thing even if it isnt real
2012-07-22 11:09:33
depends on the people, i see more people getting angry/mad because of religions, when another one is not having the same believe. they even kill each other just for religion. it brings a lot of suffer to the world. if you want to believe in something, you only need your free mind and not any religion for that
2012-07-22 13:17:53
The only ones who are angry are the atheists and this thread proves it, why ven bother making this thread that will become a hate-on-religion thread?? To start a flame-war?

"if you want to believe in something, you only need your free mind and not any religion for that" What if religion is a free mind thinking? I'll give you my example, I'm catholic and I believe it in my own way, I believe in science, but I have faith in God, sometims I go to church, and I try to mix science and religion, being religious in my own way, believing in sciene like everybody else and being catholic.
2012-07-23 17:24:08
things are way to simple bro,lea is right,u just need to free your mind:)

especially from fear
2012-07-25 21:03:33
Why do you guys think just because we belive in something superior to us, you think we haven't free mind?
2012-07-25 21:57:39
no bro, u dont have a free mind,and the reason is because from the day u are born(and me and all of us)they spread fear and bad emotions in our heads,religion included.
the bad thing is that theese things arent easy spotted.or even if they are ppl think its ok or something ordinary..

Post edited 2012-07-26 04:58:46
2012-07-26 04:56:05
lol'd conspirancy thoeries in 2012.
2012-07-26 21:34:06
i would not say conspiracy theories or anything.

just think how many times fear comes from a hiden part in yourself..

even things u hear from a child go to your consious.
2012-07-26 21:38:42
I would say that Religion had made a lot of suffer to people. Just look at those in afghanistan and shit, but in general is good for those who really need something to believe in.
2013-01-04 18:05:40
because of my faith i have no fear. how about that? :)
2012-12-18 09:33:53
not working:D
2012-12-18 12:29:49
Eat all your broccoli or Santa is not bringing you those easter eggs from heaven
2013-01-05 09:27:47
+1
2012-12-18 08:59:35
please man thats such a non-sense, they are happy about what? being deceived by some old money lovers pricks that couldnt care less about people or the world, that only care about them, that do not believe in what they are "doing" and are getting richer and richer as long as people believe in that religion thing..
there are people that refuse medical treatments because their religion forbids them! u think those people are happy or clueless? people that refuse blood transfusions, people that refuse to donate organs from their dead family because its against their religion. u call that happiness? i call it stupidity. religion kills people everyday all around the globe (yeah yeah i know that science kills too, but thats man work, not some methaphysical being), its the 21st century, its time to stop that non-sense, time to believe in science, in medicine, in physics, in biology etc...
2012-07-22 15:18:59
Religion is real, the shit it claims is not. Fucking children makes pedophiles happy, why is it illegal then? Cause it's fucked up that's why, just like religion. Only religion is worse
2012-07-22 15:30:15
hhhhahhahahaahhahaahah !!! I must thank you for the funniest comment in the thread. How would you prove your statement, though, I wonder? Anyway, it was epic.
2012-07-22 11:12:08
nowdays more people than ever study on a university, we learn different languages, are techies and work with computers, communicate with people all over the world, create things and write computer programs etc. like 100 years back, people were working like farmers and barely know how to read and write.

ever heard of the word "evolution" ?
2012-07-22 13:19:07
ukrainians...
2012-07-22 13:49:22
dutchmen :{
2012-07-22 14:57:57
...create vacuum, atomic bombs, full metal jacket bullets, viruses, new kinds of chemical weapon. people lead the way!

in fact despite of centuries of "education" a human is still and will always be a two-legged animal.
2012-07-22 15:09:49
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OgTUioO4ZA

the truth of life.
2012-07-23 10:52:09
And what's wrong with any of those? Take the atomic bomb for instance, the greatest achievement in human history,nothing ever before or has since has saved so many human lives.
2013-01-04 18:07:32
*nevermind*

Post edited 2013-01-04 18:28:53
2013-01-04 18:24:44
How does anything you wrote correlate with intelligence? You see, education is no substitute for intelligence (that's a quote, one I wholeheartedly agree with). There are plenty of people with 2 higher educations who are absolute imbeciles in anything not connected to their profession. They lack basic common sense. Would you call them intelligent? Yes, a capacity to learn may, indeed, indicate someone's intelligence but exceptions are far too numerous to accept the relation as a statistic law.
Have you ever known the meaning of word "evolution" or just heard the word? No, humankind hasn't evolved in its intelligence over the last 100 years. Nor did it evolve in it in 3000 years, for that matter. Pick Plato or Socrates, or, say, Ecclesiastes. Read. Now look around you and apply their thoughts to the modern world then ask yourself - what has changed? The cars, planes, computers? That is a background of our life while life itself hasn't changed one bit. Old things have taken new forms and that is all. I adore that romantic naivette steming from thoughts that science and "education" has somehow changed human nature. Or maybe made us more "intelligent" (FYI there is no formally accepted definition of intelligence in science).
2012-07-22 15:55:06
I was writing a reply but it got eaten because a mod decided to delete my post. Seriously, the mods here are the biggest fuckwits. Hey, whichever mod deletes this, please contemporaneously stick a needle in your eye thanks. Oh and and 2Drake, once again, you're an idiot.
2012-07-22 16:24:10
dude u slowpoke!
2012-07-22 16:27:24
actually you're one.
2012-07-22 16:29:25
I was so, so eager to see your wise reply, peasant :).
2012-07-22 16:31:11
I'm not going to entertain you in the same way I wouldn't entertain someone who thought the moon was composed of cheese. You're nothing more than an oxygen thief.
2012-07-22 17:13:45
I'm afraid you've already entertained me well enough with your attitude. It is plain enough for everyone to see that you've got nothing to offer except your bad mouth, anyway.
2012-07-22 17:30:01
The only thing I'm guilty of is having the bad habit of calling a spade a spade.
2012-07-22 17:43:20
guilt starts as feeling of failure .
2012-07-22 17:45:16
Another fallacious statement; you sure purport them often.

Post edited 2012-07-22 18:02:31
2012-07-22 18:02:06
It's a quotation and guess who's failed. As to the fallacy - that is not the first and not the last time you claim something to be false without providing any coherent argument why. Which just keeps and keeps on proving for everyone your inability to offer any piece of reason apart from saying "NO U!". And you - of all people! - talk about sophism, LOL (which is 5 times more funny because of the names I mentioned in the post. I'm sure you've no idea how you've failed anyway.).
2012-07-22 18:18:34
She's simply clueless, no point in getting upset over some chick posting on gaming forums =D.
2013-01-04 18:08:59
I have to say that I'm quite surprised that a ukrainian guy actually can write like a normal person, good for you!

Though I can't really see your point in what you just wrote.
2013-01-05 05:47:15
In today's modern age we create more thing in 2 days then humanity as a whole did in almost 2000 years.
2012-07-22 20:58:48
...and Democritus atomic theory from ~460BC was empirically proven only a handful of years ago (handful in historical sense). And great many ancient works of philosophy and art can astonish you with their ability to be applied easily to modern societies and people.
That said, we have no idea about how our brain evolved during the past, let's say, 3000 years. 3 000 years is nothing for evolutional measures, anyway. And we have no empirical data on the subject. We can't summon an average ancient greek from the past and put him against an average modern person to... solve puzzles to compare for example - and I don't think the results would be that different. We don't even know what intelligence IS for duck's sake! No agreed definition exists, just a number of explications which sometimes even contradict with each other.
2012-07-22 22:09:44
Wrong! We live in an era with intelligent gadgets and stupid people. :D

Post edited 2012-07-22 16:07:28
2012-07-22 16:06:49
if we are stupid how the well we get the gadgets?
2012-07-22 19:44:47
Exceptions mate, exceptions. :D I was talking about the majority.
2012-07-23 12:04:52
its not about intelligence at all lol
2012-07-22 18:14:45
it is, cause people dont believe everything u tell them anymore. back then as the humanity wasnt intelligent, they couldnt explain where stars and the earth etc came from, and told stories about gods etc. to each other. nowdays we have science which is already very far ahead and still discovering new stuff every year. to still follow a religoin nowdays is EXTREMLY stupid, i dont have a problem with people believe in a higher force if it gives them power ore makes them happy but living after a religious rule is the most stupid thing i ever seen in the world, i feel very sorry for those people and hope they will find a way out of that
2012-07-22 22:41:55
Agree for the most part but can we already really say where we and the existence of everything come from and what made us to what we are? :)
2012-07-23 06:08:59
u are in the right direction,but i want to ask u a question,here,at earth u have some buildings being called pyramis,still with our "far-away-technology" we cant build them right....
2012-07-25 21:12:05
of course we can build pyramidss, stop watching conspiracy videos :D
2012-07-26 01:30:43
i dont watch any conspiracy videos(ok i did,but it was a long time ago and i never believed in them anyway)

but seriously , am i mistaken or the last time we tried to build a pyramid we failed?
2012-07-26 04:57:30
of course we can build them, even way harder stuff we already build a whole new isle that looks like palms in dubai.

there is a modern pyramid aswell in las vegas. it just doesnt make any sense to build them nowdays, its way too expensive and we dont have a use for it
2012-07-26 09:57:12
Oh yea? Because people having faith is making them dumber?? You should google some scientist that made great discovers and were religious.
2012-07-23 17:21:06
having faith is not the same as beeing a part of a religion. all u need for faith is a free mind, not beeing controlled by the church/quoran etc.
2012-07-23 20:05:34
Who said religious people are controlled? Who said they haven't free mind?
2012-07-23 23:54:21
its obvious, otherwise they wont have to follow any of their rules :) if they would be free, just think about it

following any imaginations or rules of the church or quoran whatever is the total opposide of having a free mind
2012-07-24 01:30:01
What rules? I'm christian and we don't have "rules".
2012-07-24 03:45:38
then ure christian but u dont follow ur religion and ure not religious at all. same as me, i am a christian on paper but i dont care bout the church
2012-07-24 08:18:06
But sometimes I want to go to church and I go. I had 10 years of catechism and I wasn't obligated by my parents.
2012-07-24 17:28:56
Yes you do. Your religion is full of rules on how to live your life if access to heaven is to be granted.
2012-07-24 12:20:29
Yea, kinda, but seriously few people follow that extremely. I'm catholic.
2012-07-24 17:25:32
I was also raised a catholic but realised it's nonsense. It doesn't matter how extremely you follow the rules set down, the fact is that they exist and if you were a "true" catholic you would adhere to them.

It's the millions of people like you who give this whole sham credence, rather than the small pocket of fanatical lunatics.

"Well yeah I'm catholic but I don't really follow the rules, those must be like.. Misprints or something."

If you consider yourself a religious person or believe that there is a creator or something else out there then fine, however don't buy into this mainstream religion shit, the catholic church is the biggest fucking sham around. They have more money than any Colombian drug cartel and have dropped way more bodies to get it. All in the name of God though, right?
2012-07-25 11:00:17
Yes.
2012-07-25 17:39:51
You don't even need to say anything to win an argument with a religious person, they do it all by themselves.
2012-07-26 14:26:29
True.
2012-07-26 21:36:20
+100000000000
2012-07-23 17:22:51
lol didnt notice at all
2012-07-24 03:51:37
Do you mean that every person who believes in god is stupid ?
2012-12-18 14:28:10
Christianity - it's a lie initially. Islam this a sect of Christianity. nothing but rivers of blood and violence it is not given to you. Jews invented religion for slaves
2012-07-22 08:34:01
+true
2012-07-22 15:01:25
"Jews invented religion for slaves" you're right

Post edited 2012-07-22 16:08:52
2012-07-22 16:07:21
haha who says religion is dying
only in America, it is estimated that 135000 people convert to islam every year.


2012-07-22 12:38:28
They are not converted just new arabic ppl come to America
2012-07-22 17:47:09
there's actually a noteworthy number of african-americans who've converted to islam, but it's very rare among white americans afaik.
2012-07-25 21:03:51
you're so very wrong, islamists can't be considered as people
so ur words are bullshit

Post edited 2012-12-18 18:53:10
2012-12-18 18:52:15
+1
2012-12-19 14:43:00
agree :D
2012-07-22 12:47:52
haha nice +1
2012-07-23 13:39:52
Religion only exists in America witch is a country full of dumb people. Religion existed in the past, but now yes, people are getting smarter and religion was something, to easily explain weird things the happened, so yeah +1
2012-07-24 01:14:46
1º America is not a country, it's a continent

2º "America is a *continent full of dumb people": No, America is a poor continent(most of it) where education is a big problem, People simply don't have access to a good-quality education.

3º "Religion only exists in America": You are completely wrong, America is in the most part christian, if you look at Asia there's is hinduism, Jewish + others, in Africa the religion is still strong.

But what you can say is that the most developed a country is, the less religious it is, it's a fact

I'm not in favor of the religion, but your post was so stupid to me that a had to reply
2012-07-26 02:41:56
I should have specified, NORTH America. And there RELIGION is strong, faith in god is still around in alot of places, but in North america (USA) Religion is strong, people are going from house to house asking to accept Jesus as their Savior,Westboro Baptist Church, with signas GOD HATES FAGS and stupid things like that, you wont see that almost nowhere else.
2012-07-26 13:04:23
And another thing, there is a difference between Religion and Faith, anyone can have faith in god, and connect with god. Religion is going to church, and stuff like that witch is in my opinion stupid, that was like 500 years ago, and even then Marthing Luther was against the christianic church, and that is the most corrupted church of all.
tl;dr - faith+, religion-
christianity- as a religion, a church.
2012-07-26 13:11:53
Yeah I know, I'm like that, I believe in God but I don't really follow a religion cuz for me it's nonsense.
2012-07-26 16:30:12
Point +1
2012-07-26 18:28:38
+10
2012-12-18 11:41:30
+100000000000
2012-12-18 15:41:57
+1
2012-12-18 17:11:39
Oh fuck, I was thinking that too

Post edited 2013-01-04 18:00:27
2013-01-04 18:00:14
Too slow =P
2013-01-05 00:20:41
Indians will jump on your neck for that...
2012-07-22 03:06:50
C8. I am an Indian and i hate this stupid concept of religion in this era of science. Maybe it was good like 300 years ago.
2012-07-22 07:19:59
like 300 years ago religion was just for whites...
religion=bullshit at any era/times

Post edited 2012-07-22 20:58:07
2012-07-22 20:56:29
I disagree. At certain point of time, religion actually helped humanity in a positive way. 300 might not be the correct number though.
2012-07-22 21:00:07
when did it help?
when nations went to war because of disagreements on religion?
when the europeans invaded America and killed who didn't convert to christianism?
when the european friars used to discriminate everyone who wasn't white and rich?
when the musulmans hijacked and crashed the planes into the WTC and killed tons of people?
when the priest bless the weapons before the war?
Or now that if you don't have any sacrament you don't know yourself and how to live..?



it was, is and will be pure discrimination and bullshit xd

Post edited 2012-07-22 22:28:04
2012-07-22 22:18:05
well actually he has a point since he wasnt referring to religion in a way you did. He was thinking more from the individual point of view where everyone could find friends and others with the same thoughts from a church and had some high hopes though life sucked at times.. u know what i'm going after? made people more positive on life.
2012-07-24 18:06:24
i know it, there is a lot of people who takes religion as a "refuge", and it isn't bad, but i wouldn't ever do it. I think it's better going to a square to play football and find friends and fuckfriends than going to a church. My point of view-
2012-07-26 01:52:17
Some people just use religion to do their "nasty job" such as terrorism, wars, european invasion to the west or the Crusades. MONEY&POWER is the cause of all shit that happens on this little planet
2012-12-18 17:23:07
hahaha....=o
could you explain on what account???
2012-07-22 07:53:46
nope.. rather Muslims will do that :\
2012-07-22 07:59:33
U go to church every sunday kid !
2012-07-22 17:55:34
you really are from Finland?
2012-07-22 03:08:55
not dying but waiting for the come back of zombie jesus ofc
2012-07-22 03:10:09
This is a troll attempt in order to troll all the people that have religions and make them come here and every1 will flame each other..

Btw, Newton was a believer in the One God, hope you remember that!
2012-07-22 03:12:50
Einstein too :/
2012-07-22 03:47:00
Einstein did not believe in God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY_p_ry9V5s
2012-07-22 06:46:47
Einstein's comment on Heisenberg's uncertainity Principle and Quantum Mechanics: "God never plays dice with the world..."
So there u go :)
2012-07-23 12:34:49
You don't know what that means. Physicists use the term God in a poetic sense. Einstein made it very clear he did not believe in a personal god. 99.9% of scientists don't believe in god. It's irrational thinking.
2012-12-18 09:41:38
I know exactly what that means. I wrote what he said and that was not poetic as far as i can think of the history. He may not be a believer or simply couldn't accept it in public. And about 99.9% et. al., you can't anything in numbers about something which cannot be quantified. Nevertheless, it can be your belief like my own.

PS: Why bring alive such a dead topic anyway.
2012-12-18 13:19:58
«I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.»

- A. Einstein

2012-07-22 13:03:46
"Newton was a believer in the One God"
"I do not believe in a personal God"

Ah I said Einstein too, but I just realized Suno said "one god" sorry :|
2012-07-22 16:11:31
I was talking about newton
2012-07-26 20:02:03
and I didn't write to you, did I?
2012-07-26 21:15:01
Yeah like Einstein, and???? That don't means nothing
2012-07-22 03:53:11
It means that people who were 1 billion times smarter than you believed in something.
2012-07-22 03:54:52
+1 million
2012-07-22 03:55:15
in "something" .. i also believe in something but that doesn't mean i support the stuff the catholic church did/is doing/saying.

Post edited 2012-07-22 03:58:37
2012-07-22 03:58:15
Yeap i didnt say he did because most of those things are bullshit.
2012-07-22 04:00:23
god is not equal to church, religion is not equal to faith
2012-07-22 11:37:56
He ment to say that it is irrelevant saying that a smart person believes in god.
2012-07-22 04:07:50
Einstein did not believe in god. And about Newton, everyone in his time believed in god so there was not really a alternative.
2012-07-22 06:51:28
Well, he did believe there was a creator you should check out a doucumentary on youtube about his belief. He wanted to know Allah's(one god) secrets in the universe so he decided to see things that the average person couldn't understand during his time. He was forced to conceal his fate from believing in Allah(one God) because he would be executed if I wasn't mistaken so people think he believed in the trinity. He later revealed to two person about what his real faith during his final hours on earth. Check out da documentary here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2DWBjyVfNU
2012-07-22 12:06:33
A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man. - Albert Einstein

I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. - Albert Einstein

I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings. - Albert Einstein
2012-07-22 20:29:39
I was talking about Newton lol
2012-07-26 20:01:07
ohh well in that case like I said, in his time and age it was no alternative to not believe.

other then that Newton was cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=danYFxGnFxQ
2012-07-26 20:17:43
Newton died as a virgin, hope you remember that!
2012-07-22 18:02:26
and what that has to do with anything?
2012-07-22 18:16:54
It is as relevant as if Newton believed in God or not.
2012-07-22 18:25:16
Actually , carnal pleasures are considered sins so it makes the evidence even stronger.

Post edited 2012-07-22 20:05:17
2012-07-22 20:05:04
Nah, he was just an ugly nerd and could get some
2012-12-18 16:04:26
Newton was wrong.
2013-01-04 19:30:31
tell more about your stats of religious people back then on year 1000
2012-07-22 03:15:44
Lol? Why did my comment get deleted? Jeez please bann my account admins you're totally retarded since you don't accept opinions about religion.
Kinda butthurt anyone tonight?!
2012-07-22 03:25:00
by: GoMeZ - HLTV.org
#16
what opinion, nothing has been nuked so far. Check the numbers if you think differently.
2012-07-22 03:54:16
HaHa!
2012-07-22 04:18:03
+1 this stupid delete from admins, hate that too. Europe is free continent, so let people share their opinions
2012-07-23 13:49:25
go share it on European Map, why spitting shit here?
2012-07-23 14:44:10
u don't get it, bb
2012-07-23 15:10:21
lol?
2012-07-24 06:48:15
btw Russia is not Europe imo? it's Eurasia?
2012-07-24 18:08:55
btw I live in Norway
2012-07-24 22:51:14
It has been predicted that this will happen. If you look carefully, you'll see a pattern when comparing the new generation to the old one.

It will be a lot worse, you'll see.

2012-07-22 03:41:49
you mean better?
2012-07-22 03:45:26
he's from United States of Bullshit they have only like 30% of atheist so they are still in the stone age.
2012-07-22 06:57:25
Dude... :) ur country is like 80 procent satanists. Dont start.
2012-07-23 10:44:30
1: Ain't being a Satanist being religious? because Sweden is one of the most secular countries in the world so 80% thats kind of impossible.

2: 80% would also mean that 7.2 Million people out of 9 Million people are running around doing animal sacrifices and stuff and I cant test to that they ain't.

3: This was just for the lolz I'm 100% sure your statement was bullshit and a bad attempt to be a troll.


Post edited 2012-07-26 19:48:21
2012-07-26 19:47:19
“So you're made of detritus [from exploded stars]. Get over it. Or better yet, celebrate it. After all, what nobler thought can one cherish than that the universe lives within us all?” Neil deGrasse Tyson , scientist

"Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration – that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves." Bill Hicks

/Thread

Post edited 2012-07-22 03:57:44
2012-07-22 03:57:07
+1 Bill hicks is the man
2012-07-22 04:59:13
How can u even come up with that shit. Its all made up while they were trippin on LSD.
2012-07-23 10:45:56
It was kinda a joke. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX1CvW38cHA

My point was that there is no other,we are all one.
2012-07-23 17:16:34
I dont mind if it will die completely one day.
2012-07-22 04:07:46
+1,religion was main reason for many wars in the past,i'm proud of myself for being atheist :)
2012-07-22 04:19:27
dont be naive,religion isnt the reason for war.
2012-07-22 11:41:16
yea religion isnt the reason for war, but many times people were killed in war coz of their religion
2012-07-22 12:17:15
thats true.
2012-07-22 12:21:43
religion was used as weapon for personal interesnt in wars
2012-07-22 17:01:16
THIS
2012-07-29 03:11:10
o,rly :D,guy from india proved my point :)

Post edited 2012-07-22 16:55:47
2012-07-22 16:55:37
You don't need to term him as an 'Indian' bro. His name would be enough. Regionalism is not better than Religionalism.
2012-07-23 14:46:03
He is indian right? I would have said "this slovakian guy" if it was the other way.
2013-01-05 05:55:19
Sorry, but even if the above comment didn't changed your way of thinking, nothing else can.
2013-01-07 07:13:00
You mean sloveninan guy :)).
2013-01-07 10:28:08
not a reason, but a tool
2013-01-04 18:53:05
Muslims are getting more and more with the time
guess not
2012-07-22 04:42:00
I think that since our brains are not developed fully, there will always be believers in something or someone, we will continue to live in ignorance, maybe that is why there is so many things wrong with this world and until we evolve physically and consciously, there will always be suffering.
2012-07-22 05:04:52
I just want to quote one of my favorit SP COmedian - George Carlin:
If you hate to read, you can watch clip here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

When it comes to bullshit, big-time, major league bullshit, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you.

He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!

Post edited 2012-07-22 05:07:41
2012-07-22 05:06:23
+1
2012-07-22 06:55:26
+1 george carlin my hero
2012-07-22 11:17:32
+1 legendary
2012-07-22 15:15:07
+1!!!
2012-07-22 21:26:02
Man, I did never hear about him, but this text was legendary
2012-07-26 04:30:07
Everytime there are more religious people, so i think it's not dying.
btw are you argentinian?
2012-07-22 05:06:56
do you live in argentina? or.. are you blind? Catholicism is happily disappearing in Argentina and the world. the church is bullshit.

Post edited 2012-07-24 00:28:26
2012-07-24 00:27:40
yeah but testeigos de jehova everywhere, budism (?), and that's religion too
2012-07-24 01:33:09
WTF.. these are minorities
2012-07-24 02:19:49
by: ohai
#33
congrats, you came to the same conclusion nietzsche did in 1887. now you just need a time machine to make your conclusion not 125 years too late to be original
2012-07-22 06:35:52
Yeah, people are getting more intelligent every day.
2012-07-22 06:47:03
If you check the numbers world wide, The more people get educated the more people stop believe in gods. Thats not to say all people who believe god is uneducated but the numbers speak for them self.
2012-07-22 06:53:46
+1
2012-07-22 06:55:56
because in the past religion was needed in order to make people safe and they were kinda obliged to it..
2012-07-22 18:18:47
I don't think thats the reason, we humans want to understand the world and religion was the only way to explain why it rain when it rain and why stuff happens back in the day. Imagine your self living in the stone age with no education at all. If some one just showed you how to create fire for the first time you would get mesmerized and frighten at the same time (I would).

Religion made the world make some kind of sens and I have to say that to think that my loved ones will meat me after I'm dead is very comforting so I can understand that people want to believe that. But at the same time I don't think it makes sens its this "faith" part that bothers me so much because why would a god who loves us do this? he has a grand plan? bullshit we just made it up to feel better for our self and there is no foul in that. I say 'what ever works'
2012-07-22 20:36:58
Or maybe its because the school systems all over the world teach Darwin's evolution theory. Darwin is a fraud we all know that.
2012-07-23 10:47:44
really? before people was told everything happened because a guy in the sky wanted it. Now we can explain ALOT I mean do you like counter strike? your phone, computer and all that stuff because you would not have that only "god" if it wasn't for science.
2012-07-26 19:29:28
you're right man ! Quebec isnt as religious as it used to be back in the days!
2012-07-22 06:58:00
it does not matter you just treading water! The world is near its end! :-D

Post edited 2012-07-22 07:05:19
2012-07-22 07:05:04
Dont say that...

Zeus gonna be furious!
2012-07-22 07:36:26
he will cast his ulti on us frrr D:
2012-07-26 17:47:48
Religion and ignorance walk hand in hand, it will never die!
2012-07-22 07:40:47
Newton was a very religious man. He spent alot of time studying the bible. And religious gruops are actually gaining support rather than losing it. The amount of educated, rightminded people grow too but it's kinda simple maths; 1 or 2 religious parents can bring up several religious kids.

Religion isn't going nowhere. Eventho science won the argument over a 100 years ago and keeps on humiliating religion, it doesn't matter to believers. Their input to the argument is as follows:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqs9DYisSsg
2012-07-22 08:05:02
Eventho science won the argument over a 100 years ago and keeps on humiliating religion, it doesn't matter to believers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2s14T6x5AM Have Fun
2012-07-24 03:19:36
I love how he completely lies a lot of the time. Its an effective way appearing convincing.
2012-07-26 06:16:12
Cant believe Im asking you this , tell me the seconds where hes telling a lie.
2012-07-26 09:54:08
He completely neglects to mention that many of things "delivered to us by God" in the Quran were already established principles in ancient Greek thought which the Arabic world thankfully preserved when Europe went to shit and got all Medieval.

Examples: Earth Round - Sure it says that in the Quran, but people learnt that long before Allah was on the scene. Aristotle, Pythagoras, Plato... even Roman writers such as Ptolemy. The prophet didnt just magically get told this by an invisible sky wizard, it was pretty well accepted in the framework of thought which the Islamic world inherited.

Another good example is where he talks about the Quran being a source of information about the moon reflecting light rather than having its own. Neo-Platonic writers such as Anatolius repeatedly use the analogy of the Sun emitting light and the Moon reflecting it to describe the dichotomy between the "Monad" and the "Dyad".

The things he claims to be so miraculously delivered by God are NOT miraculous, they were just inherited ideas, often from millenia ago.

Maybe he isnt lieing, but he is omitting very relevant information.

So if you want to pinpoint his key deception go to 8:57 "The only reply the athiest can give you is the creator". I've nicely explained why that is not true above.

Post edited 2012-07-26 14:25:03
2012-07-26 14:15:04
No you've not disproved the thing he says. Before the Quran, there was Bible & Torah that He sent. Theres scientific stuff there as well, but since its been edited, they are proven wrong. So those names from long time ago you mentioned, they might have taken these from Bible or Torah, and then put their own sayings.. Cuz EVEN if they said that the shape of the earth was like spherical, and about the light of the moon, they could NEVER have given the other people 100percent facts, cuz they didnt have anything back then. No spaceships, no NOTHING. So no reason to put their names here, all who has eyes would be able to understand that the world aint four angeled, but they couldnt verify it, but today we can - and THATS the point of the video.
2012-07-26 16:47:16
You're not giving the Greeks enough credit. Many thinkers were actually fairly certain about the facts above. You dont need a spaceship to develop a sure knowledge that the earth is a sphere. They even managed to accurately caluclate the earth's diameter for goodness sake. These were great intellectuals and you are selling them short. They may not have been able to "verify" but they were able to theorise the best possible explanation. This is no different from a lot of modern scientific enquiry. They were wrong about things and correct about others, but thats just how scientific enquiry goes.

The Quran, Bible and Torah also state various things as facts. Some are correct as pointed out by your video, others however are wrong. The fact that there is incorrect information in the Holy Books is damaging to your case because why would God tell you the wrong thing. It makes no sense. So the "100% facts" that the Holy books tell are clearly no more 100% facts than those put forward by the Greeks.

Given the unreliability of scriptural testimony when explaining the universe (which im sure you're going to arrogantly deny) it is clear that even the Quran was in no better position to verify facts than those before. They too had to wait for modern science to verify.

My question is this: why do you feel the position of religious scripture is stronger than the Greek thinkers who came before it?


2012-07-26 17:36:20
I mean honestly I could write a book right now with say, 5 000 prophecies, written so that the message is vague and open to interpretation.

Now wait two thousand years and see how many of those prophecies could be twisted to mean something that the science has come up with. Also.. forgot to mention.. We should also conveniently ignore all the prophecies that, despite the long time, were pulled so far from my ass that even 2,000 years wasn't enough to make them similar enough to something that has happened during that time.

Thats your Qu'ran, same as Bible. Full of shit, fiction and definitely not to be taken literally or used in any shape or form during arguments.
2012-12-18 16:22:23
I believe in religion... after i got the glimpse of truth!!!
I believe in "ONE WORLD FAMILY".. single religion - humanity :)
2012-07-22 08:13:40
very thoughtful...
but can't possible IMO...

just due to the basic laws of nature that " nothing can't be perfect, perfection just don't exist in nature" is suffice to blow up your bubble of one world one religion... ;)
2012-07-22 16:43:46
WAHAHAH, illuminati whore.
2012-07-23 10:48:44
Religion is dying?
This is so not true.
I think completely different, that religion grows like a cancer tumor and nobody there to stop it.
Take USA for example, in times when declaration of independence was written, church was separated from the state, people believed in scientific and technical progress.
And suddenly, they start to print "in god we trust" on the money, suddenly all america turns in "one nation under god", and if person declares that he is atheist, you can be sure, that his political career is over.
Aggressive radical sects opens in every small town, acting like a witch-hunters.

Take Russia for example, when commies ruled here, they demolished churches, imprisoned priests, and religion was generally forbidden. We had one bigass atheist country.
And now - our patriarch is president's best friend, a billionaire, a politic, a businessman, landlord etc...
New churches grow in every neighborhood, instead of old parks and recreation zones. And every day there is lines at the entrance.
2012-07-22 08:28:55
In the USA, atheists have become one of the biggest minorities in the last 20 years or so. 20% isn't much but its a start
2012-07-22 13:34:11
religion = cancer
2012-07-22 08:42:09
Internet>religion
2012-07-22 08:49:01
looool , u will pay one day for that , u re like that guys that says they wont pray and they dont believe in anything metaphisically , but they past all day calling for god when they need something , examples when u have some1 in ur family is sick or in hospital , dont badmouth religion if u dont believe it
2012-07-22 09:20:52
You are just dreaming that non-religious people prays too, but secretly, huh?
LOL, please, go and celebrate Ramadan.
2012-07-22 10:04:04
am christian , and yes they pray and praise when they need something from god

Post edited 2012-07-22 10:47:06
2012-07-22 10:46:14
But still it's the same God, isn't it? Allah, Jhvh, God, Zeus, Neo and so on..
2012-07-22 11:06:27
your coment is extreme nerdness, bubble face boy
2012-07-22 18:19:27
Neo was joke, but other "names" not. I think it's still the same "god", but with different names...
2012-07-22 21:26:13
If someone in my family is sick, I bring him to the doctor, I don't pray in an invisible zombie.

Anyway how can you believe in a "man" who created the universe in 7 days, created the man and the women, Adam and Eva, from his ribs? Then he punished all the world because they ate an apple. Without talking about his son Jesus that was born from a virgin. When he died after 3 days he come back from the dead like a zombie....

Post edited 2012-07-22 15:04:14
2012-07-22 15:02:26
AHHAHAHA +1
2012-07-22 15:13:02
ur the kind of kids who have to read well ur history about religions :) u know what go and pray for you almughty doctor :) ignorante, u don't even know the history of jesus born from a virgin .... and you keep talking; this how ignorante ppl act :DD looool so funny . empty heads, full of shit
2012-07-22 15:36:07
So you call me "ignorante" and I am the ignorant guy here.
I know English may not be your main language, same for me, I also speak other 4 languages, but at least I write correctly, at your age and at your job it's necessary to know English correctly.
So go back to your cave please.

Post edited 2012-07-22 15:43:31
2012-07-22 15:38:56
Actually Christians believe Maria was virgin. It is christian's dogma.
2012-07-24 13:08:50
haha laughet with whole family that my house was shaking :P

Post edited 2012-07-23 13:54:05
2012-07-23 13:53:16
Glad to hear that :D
2012-07-23 20:22:51
+1
2012-12-18 09:12:48
You're naive if you think religion is only about explaining things that science cannot explain. Just like most atheist, who use the same old arguments all over again :) it's not true that it's dying; it just has different role in our lives. Science has evolved and so has religion. Most of people in this thread think that science and religion contradict each other, but the opposite is truth. The church did accept darwins evolution theory long time ago. And many more other theories. It's the concept that remains the same. The fact that there are individuals and members of church who are not faithful to this concept doesn't mean that religion is bad. We christians dislike them just as much as atheists.
2012-07-22 10:06:03
and what is it about? :) it just a matter of tradition nowdays,at least that's the vibe i get in my country,not counting the minority of muslim and christian fundamentalists :)
2012-07-22 11:37:05
by: Mizk
#60
If god realy exist why he dont ressurect now and stop all this bad things happens?
2012-07-22 10:11:01
Because he made people free.
2012-07-22 15:53:31
Why would he, we people make the choise to destroy everything isnt it?
2012-07-23 10:49:52
lol its kinda funny with religions
2012-07-22 10:12:30
Fuck those religions. I don't believe in god and other similar things. This is like the same thing if you believe in aliens. You've never seen a god, but you believe in him, because someone have "seen" him. Same goes for aliens. So the question is, why do you believe in god, but not in aliens ?

Anyway, I think religions were created to control people. For example islam - men created that religion so women couldn't have many rights out there.

Post edited 2012-07-22 11:11:16
2012-07-22 11:03:43
+1 some valid points made
2012-07-22 11:18:31
by: ibtJ
#77
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJv_VePCX7U
watch this
2012-07-22 11:34:01
"This is like the same thing if you believe in aliens."

Are you dumb or something ? Do you believe that we are alone in the universe? If you can imagine the size of the cosmos and the numbers of galaxies and then the same numbers of stars in one galaxy you will realize that there is other civilizations. Some of them are more intelligent then us some of them aren't.
2012-07-22 11:47:46
yeah
I'm Agent Key , you must come with us
2012-07-22 11:54:19
What i had in mind with that sentence is that many people still believes in god and just very few in aliens. But must of the current living humans never really saw neither of them, just heird from others.

Personally, i still don't decide wheither to believe or not in other "creatures", besides us.
2012-07-22 12:11:19
well i guess i just misunderstood this sentence. Thats why i reacted like this. I thought you was saying that you don't believe in aliens .
2012-07-22 12:16:57
LOLOLOLOLOLO

When Islam came , woman had more rights then ever (1400 years ago) !

Muhammad pbuh said : Best believer between u is the one who treats his women the best !

Do some research son !

Post edited 2012-07-22 21:41:26
2012-07-22 21:40:40
+1
2012-12-18 09:15:20
Jesus promised the end of all wicked people.
Odin promised the end of all ice giants.
I DON'T SEE MANY ICE GIANTS AROUND!
2012-07-22 11:23:10
A week ago, a huge ice berg in Greenland was separated. Is that an ice giant? I don't know.
2012-07-22 11:29:05
What the hell?
2012-07-22 11:40:07
LOOOOOOOOOL
2012-07-26 04:38:33
religion = 1.giving an explanations of life and what surrounds it (we have science to do that now),
2. a rulebook on how to behave ,"the right way" (laws nowdays),
3. a way to control/manipulate the masses that fail to see the real purpose of religion (1.+2.) - unfortunately that's still an actual matter...

religion is ok,if you take the good parts for ex. about relations between people,not stealing,doing harm to others etc. but if your life is based on following certain rituals and think that all your sins will be washed away that way is more of a personality disorder than being a religious (good) person.
2012-07-22 11:29:53
by: ibtJ
#76
not really. in asia especially, religion become bigger also percentage of atheists become bigger
2012-07-22 11:32:06
how could religion and atheism both become bigger at the same time?
2012-07-22 12:34:15
population grows.
2012-12-18 14:57:45
Are you for real? :DDDDDDDDD
2012-12-18 16:26:25
I meant the number of person, not the percentage.
Populations of some Asia countries are growing quite fast. So religion here is also increasing its numbers of church/people etc.
2012-12-18 17:17:03
paradox?
2012-07-22 15:26:25
religion is a medium through which science is told or carried through the generation... thats the main reason behind Hinduism atleast.....
2012-07-22 11:42:15
Religion is the way of life

hope this explain something :)

2012-07-22 12:15:51
It's not a way of life, it's a religion. You're saying you live your according to your religion's rules and codes? Give me a break. The only thing it has to do with your real life is that you just believe some stupid shit somebody made up, maybe thank your "guardian angel" when get lucky and enjoy the blissful ignorance you by choise live in
2012-07-22 13:31:49
THE way of life?

thats totally pathetic bro..
2012-07-22 15:28:26
religion is good.
2012-07-22 12:24:46
partially true ..it serves a purpose for lessser-minded people who need religion to stay sane


but then again look at all the crazy shit that happened under the pretext of god
2012-07-22 12:33:33
you're speaking of institutionalised religion, that's something completely different. people usually understand the term religion as either islam or christianity. however, that kind of thinking is close minded.
2012-07-22 12:45:51
well , then lets call it faith then.

faith serves a purpose, for those who NEED it, but we dont all need faith in something irrational to stop us from being evil ...

religion on the hand is just bad completely
2012-07-22 18:30:28
the definition of faith is "belief without evidence". religion, however, is something almost completely different.

and i refuse to continue this debate until you get your facts straight.
2012-07-22 19:08:48
How is religion not faith? The entire premise of religion is belief without evidence... The bible has absolutely zero evidence to support its mad claims. For all you know the bible could have just been meant to be a story. Science actually answers questions. I'm not at the edge of my seat waiting for Jesus to come back. I won't hold my breath.
2012-07-22 21:13:07
im not talking about the bible. and neither am i talking about islam. i guess those are probably the only two religions you know.

btw, everything requires a certain amout of faith, even science.

Post edited 2012-07-23 10:45:12
2012-07-23 10:44:37
No those aren't the only two religions I'm aware of actually. Why don't you tell me yours.

Also, you shouldn't say religion and faith are two completely different things and go on to say that everything requires a little faith.
2012-07-23 18:14:21
i said almost completely.

i have nothing more to say to you sir, i sense arrogance in your words.
2012-07-23 18:50:58
Well, I apologize if I came off as arrogant as it was not my intention. I enjoy a lively debate thats all.

Yes, you did say almost completely. Tell me what you're meaning behind this was.
2012-07-24 00:09:49
My point is that almost every belief requires a certain amount of faith.
For example, if you think science can effectively explain nature and all of it's possible attributes you are required to have faith in what you see.

Now I could go on and call science faith, as you called religion.
For me, science and religion are just two sides of the same coin. Although I do recognize islam, christianity and judaism to be complete bullshit.
2012-07-26 02:34:24
religion creates inequalities hence it's not good
2012-07-24 09:01:23
how is that?
2012-07-24 11:31:05
Like it or not, religion's a fraud, it has always been. Nevertheless, it has as very well been a pillar for the believers. They don't care if god exists or not, they KNOW it does, even though every one else might prove otherwise, they will not change their opinion. That said, there will never be a logical comprehension between these two sides, as ones just feel happy and blessed, and simply don't care about others' opinion.

However, being not much a believer myself, I'd say that in times of capitalism the cult of religion is dropping quite drastically. But don't you guys forget that even though there have been various conflicts and wars behind the name of religion, you must be thankful, because I seriously doubt if humanity would've made it to where it is now if not for religious beliefs. It just helped us remain humane, imagine how humane would we be if we were all still heathen?

Post edited 2012-07-22 12:29:00
2012-07-22 12:27:42
religion is a fairy tale that went viral
2012-07-22 12:29:29
our atheist arrogance shall blot out the sun
2012-07-22 12:32:40
Being sarcastic?
2012-07-22 13:34:50
obviously
2012-07-22 18:28:53
weak ppl looking for help from god, just weak and dumb.
here in Russia, religion is just the way of business, draining money from religious people who buying some shitty stuff in da church.
2012-07-22 12:36:51
not at all once u get to the age of 40+ u will relize why u need such things in ur life.
2012-07-22 12:43:42
same here
2012-12-18 09:20:18
I dont see what good religion has done anyway..
2012-07-22 12:50:45
really? It must be pretty good for me to have religion, faith and culture subject in my class.
According to Thomas Hobbes, Religion act as an instrument to control society.
Religion create fear(fear of going to hell for doing sins) therefore makes society and therefor can be used as political tools for the sake of order and stability in politics.

should read more about Ludwig Feuerbach's God as Psychology Projective.
or Friedrich Nietzsche's The Death Of God.
or Sigmund Freud. http://www.ocdhistory.net/20thcentury/freud.html
I just simply learn it from class and nowhere near from knowledgeable level but sharing is good, isn't it?
2012-07-22 15:25:42
I don't believe in hell but im still not a criminal.. so if i can "control" myself without religion surely other people can too.

Religion create fear(fear of going to hell for doing sins) therefore makes society and therefor can be used as political tools for the sake of order and stability in politics.

order and stability can be a good thing but the ends does not justifies the means imo. This is one of my reasons why I don't like religion. Indoctrination is something I'm very much against.
2012-07-22 15:43:10
First of all creating fear doesn't make a society. Second, I higly doubt you can understand Nietzsche and what he was saying seeing at what concept you mention him in. Third, Freud was pretty much wrong about everything, well known fact in modern science.

The human society itself keeps the humans in line. Even without religions, or even laws, you couldn't just go on shitting on peoples cereal. People will fuck you up if you're a douche
2012-07-22 15:45:36
freud's work is like the basis of psychiatry... but i don't see the point of yoztpetra post?! People with psychiatric disorders can be overly religiuos.the symptoms of schicophrenia for example,where people think that they are choosen as God's servants and also have the impression to hear the voice of God. But i don't see how mentioning freud can be a "religion is good argument",he described humans as a composition of Id/Ego/Super-Ego (not to mention his theory on psychosexual development of the human pesonality) and described many psychiatric disorders.

*i am not a religion hater ,i'm just a rational believer , contradiction i know :)

Post edited 2012-07-22 16:55:36
2012-07-22 16:52:10
Lol dude Freud's work is a lesson in psychology, no where near the basis of modern psychiatrics. I guess you are a freshman :D
2012-07-22 17:27:05
He isn't wrong though.

Freud is the father of psychoanalysis, which is a pretty prominent in treatment in psychiatry. That being said, Freud is more closely related with psychology, of course.
2012-07-22 19:02:12
Yes! But Freud's teachings and theories are widely applied in psychiatry also. Just that psychiatry takes the scientific sides of all the disorders into consideration and the therapy is more drug-based :)
2012-07-22 20:31:42
people keep bumping this thread. lols
anyways just leave people who believe in religion do their stuff.
if you don't believe in religion you don't have to be butt hurt about it . religion can be stupid but it isn't killing people?
2012-07-23 04:20:26
Religion can't kill people itself. But it can be a gun or a knife.
History proved that.

If you believe in religion you don't have to be butt hurt when others hate it.
2012-12-18 15:02:56
It's dying in the developed world but unfortunately it's pretty much a constant in the 3rd world (that is, the vast majority of the world).
2012-07-22 14:40:34
atheist ftw
2012-07-22 14:51:22
this is a time of crisis... i think in time of crisis you belief more in god
2012-07-22 15:22:37
LOL
2012-07-22 15:27:05
you're not suppose believe in Gods just because it is the time of crisis.
it's like putting butter on cold bread because you realized it doesn't taste good without butter and it's too late.
2012-07-22 15:33:28
i can't belive that people can be that stupid. religion is slavery.
2012-07-22 15:31:58
just because you don't believe in God and you can flame someone like that.
how about this.
I can't believe how atheist don't believe in God, how do they think human could be able to think, feel and dominate among billion of other creature such as animal and plants? I mean we're one in a billion of creature on the earth and no other species "evolve" to be as smart, sociable in the level of nearly the same as human?
humans evolve from primate? okay that make sense so every other primate must be under-evolved from us because we ate rare candy yeah? :D we're talking one in a billions.

or like,
what happens after someone die? did they just vanish into thin air? so there's no purpose of living because when you die, nothing happen?

so atheist can enjoy their life to the fullest without having to life in fear of Gods or fear of going to hell for doing sins, so why not doing whatever they you want including crimes because, you don't need to give f**k about sins? you're not going to hell anyway.
you don't have to do goods like giving money to poor people because
there's no point of doing humanity faith? feeling pity for them? from where that "pity for poor people" you feel come from? your brain? animals have brain too, why can't it feel the way human feel?

sometimes stuff like that hits my brain and keep me from asleep .__.
2012-07-22 15:49:05
Death - infinite sleep hours
2012-07-22 15:51:52
if you need God to stop you from commiting crimes , you are mentally sick buddy.
2012-07-22 18:28:28
I'm not saying that. that's what I read on books O__O
the only thing that I believe why I'm not committing crime is because there's law .__.
2012-07-23 04:23:35
oh, yes i can! if you see a blind man on the street, you can tell him he is blind. the same thing i do with stupid people.

church was the first owner of slaves, church started more wars then any other 2 reasons combined. maybe USA with oil can challenge them at some point, be they are still far behind.

meanwhile, how you can belive in something like that is beyond my power to understand. and not only you, but all the people.

learn some history, biology, and maybe then, just maybe, the Noe on a boat shit will seem to be a "cool story".

"or like,
what happens after someone die? did they just vanish into thin air? so there's no purpose of living because when you die, nothing happen? "
we will find out. all of us. maybe ye, you just die and that's it. it makes more sense to me than going to a judge who calls if you go left or right. and if you go left you have all you want, you are happy and so on.

so atheist can enjoy their life to the fullest without having to life in fear of Gods or fear of going to hell for doing sins, so why not doing whatever they you want including crimes because, you don't need to give f**k about sins? you're not going to hell anyway.

as i said before, the church did more crimes than anyone. i wont even bother to mention what did islam. and dude, if i don't give a fuck about sins, it doesn't mean that i will do crimes. that's what religion did to you. you are telling me that you don't murder some1 just because you are afraid of god? it wont be a very nice thing for your family when you will start to understand that there is no such thing as god.

anyway, i`m glad to see that new generations are more detached from this crap. to much damage was done in the name of the god.
amin
2012-07-22 20:27:08
religion don't kill people. it's people kill people just for the sake of their own using religion.
2012-07-23 04:27:15
I was going to reply but I face Palmer and just said forget the essay. I used to be religious to man, I went to school, educated myself, and grew up.
2012-07-22 21:22:03
-1
2012-07-22 21:36:35
So it's better to say and believe we can't come from apes after all the research, but hey, we were made out of mud or other way as told in silly books. Maybe sometimes is better to think than believe, and atheists should be the ones who shouldn't be accepting your possition, because it is just a belief.
2012-07-22 23:50:55
You make false assumptions (evolution part), you seem to believe that humans arent capable of empathy (what the fuck dude), or that life isnt important for an atheist (once again.. what the fuck) and last but not least you clearly do not understand how brains work (back to school)

if stuff like that keeps you from sleeping i feel sorry for you
2012-12-18 16:33:53
Religion is a symptom of irrational belief and groundless hope.
2012-07-22 15:34:45
The seed to it was, nowadays it's just pure ignorance
2012-07-22 15:39:12
It seems you Finish guys have brains. I like it.

Post edited 2012-07-22 23:41:51
2012-07-22 23:41:31
It should've died already.
2012-07-22 15:38:41
unnfortunaly cs will die first :((
2012-07-22 15:38:45
omg :D i can see many retards and stupid ignorante here talking about religion, when they don't even know 10% from each religion and it's beliefs hahahaha very stupid and poor ppl MAY THE GOD FORGIVE YOU
PS: dont try to reply all you stupid kid , i can't explain somethin to stupid ppl without religion

Post edited 2012-07-22 15:41:38
2012-07-22 15:41:25
Says a muslim :D
2012-07-22 15:46:35
+1
2012-07-22 15:49:45
Lol, you was bashing other religion in 'why muslims fast' topic -.-

May allah/god/jesus forgive you too.
2012-07-22 15:50:00
"I can't explain something to stupid people without religion"
F**K sake are you kidding me?!
there's countless religion-less people who contribute so much to the world of our living!
that person make your life better, while maybe people who believe in religion just go to their praying and hope God bless everyone without doing anything.
you can't judge someone based on their religion, or not having religion.

Edit: wait.. I'm not sure if you can't explain something to people without using religion or you can't explain something to people who don't believe in religion..

Post edited 2012-07-22 16:07:14
2012-07-22 15:55:39
umadXD

1. Learn to speak English please, before you try to harass people for being dumb.

2. Im not poor.

3. You can't explain to me because I dont listen to liers full of shit.

4. You sir, are an idiot!
2013-01-05 06:08:31
Sorry poor kid, you came late, we're closed, try later
2013-01-07 10:27:27
Pls dont start this religion fight again...
2012-07-22 16:00:43
+1
2012-07-22 16:12:20
So we atheists who are right can't create these threads? I for one am very happy to see so much people post who have cured from religion, or have never been infected.
2012-07-22 18:00:45
Agreed. I grew up. Good childhood fairy tale I guess...
2012-07-22 21:26:09
What makes me sick, is seeing some guys using Finland's flag, spreading Muslim, while they are clearly not Finnish.

Not sure if you've spotted them, as they are getting their comments deleted.
2012-07-23 10:11:17
it's great that religion is diyng
2012-07-22 16:04:24
Kur-an ( Az-Záriyát 20-21 )

20. On the earth are Signs for those of assured Faith,
21. As also in your own selves: Will ye not then see?

look at the stars, look at the water, look at the sun...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4U3iPedQFM

Sound : English
Subtitle : Turkish
2012-07-22 16:06:36
What i dont get is that Muslims excist and say that their religion is the one. Ur religion is just a copy of the jewish one and u hate them.

Ridiculous.
2012-07-23 10:57:10
No my friend, our religion is not a copy. Have you ever red Kuran? In Netherlands a lot of Muslim citizens are living. I think you have a friend, one of these muslim citizens. You can ask him and you can take Kuran for the reading and searching.

If you want to read, you can use this web site;

http://www.scribd.com/doc/61468367/The-Meanigs-of-..
2012-07-23 13:51:03
imo you doesn't have about Kuran. You can follow Zakir Naik videos and learn Kuran and Kuran's Miracles.
2013-01-04 20:12:06
all holly books must be the same, since it's from the same god "Allah" and what u must say is ... why Qu'ran isn't corrupted just like the bible and no we didn't copied the jewish, ur wrong dude ... :) this is why it says, our religion is the one choosen by god !
2013-01-07 10:32:31
religion is the most stupid thing ever created by man, their might be something on this world bigger than us (idk) but the ideia of a guy rulling us all its absurd
2012-07-22 16:08:19
This.

There MIGHT be something bigger, but what religion claims to exist is just plain stupid.
2012-07-25 17:50:29
thank god, its dying....
it has long-awaited me....:)
2012-07-22 16:23:02
"thank god religion is dying"

Oh wait...
2012-07-22 21:15:46
I completely agree, but I wouldn't say that "people praying to an invisible man" is really the problem. For instance my grandparents are religious people, they don't go around preaching Christianity or anything like that, but it gives them a sense of purpose and well being. Religion has brought them happiness. Nothing wrong with that.

The problem with religion is violence and the inability to question existence and beliefs. I mean look at the past, think about how many people were killed during the Crusades, over what? A piece of land? I understand that this might offend some people, but we all look the same when we die (a pile of bones). The land is just a piece of the earth. It is so sad that people actually kill each over religious beliefs. Even today this is still going on, and many innocent people are dying everyday because one party has to view their beliefs as superior.

Even look back at the Middle Ages (also known as the Dark Ages). This was a period after the Roman empire fell, and European church and state mostly became one. It ended with the Renaissance or the period of Discovery and Exploration. Intelligent thinking and questioning higher authority was prohibited during the Middle Ages, and you were often punished for it. Leaders used religion as a form of oppression and a way to silence the people. This was a period of almost 1000 years where almost NO new scientific findings were made, NO new discoveries, NO furthering of society or technology. Think about how much better off we would have been if science and questioning of thought existed in these years. Think about how much more advanced we would be. Think of where we might be today as a planet. It boggles my mind to think about shit like this sometimes.

I hope one day people will stop killing each over something that they don't even know exists and we can all live as one as a planet. If God is real I highly doubt he would want everyone fighting over him and killing each over whether or not he is Christian, Muslim, or what have you. He would want peace, not every group claiming their religion is superior and innocent people dying.
2012-07-22 16:29:44
+ 1 billion :)
2012-07-22 16:56:34
i don't wanna question on your arguments as you have said very rightfully .... i concur....
but just want you to conceive world without religion and all such boundaries and segregation prevailing between human pertaining to religion...

i would implicitly agree for what you say after that...:D
2012-07-22 17:06:05
I'm really not sure what you are asking but i'll give it a try as I think I have an idea (maybe :P)

It is almost impossible to perceive that world, a world without religion (from the beginning). Religion goes hand in hand with the history of humans. Naturally people are going to question how they got here and how the human race began etc etc. I am not saying I wish religion didn't exist, because that would be unrealistic. But I believe religion had a place and a time. Naturally, we evolved in thought, and religious assumptions and unproven theories were pushed aside for factual evidence.

Early civilizations did not understand the basic things that we do today. A good example is ideal conditions to grow crops. The ancient Egyptians thought that if they had a bad harvest season that they upset the gods, and therefore made more sacrifices and things like that to attempt to please them. They had Gods for everything: the sun, the moon, for hunting etc etc. Only through trial and error and time did we realize that there was a science to everything. Growing food, breeding animals, building strong structures, irrigation and the list goes on and on. These things and processes all have sciences behind them. Everyday things are not controlled by God's favor or disfavor as we once thought they were, but by principles and laws that we had to figure out over time.

Some people still cling to these old ideas, but nowadays most people know better. Religion has taken a more passive role in society today, our whole lives are not based around religion (still some are though). So it is impossible for me to picture this idea. As I said religion had a place and a time, because naturally we did not understand things, and religion satisfied most of those questions (mostly by provided false and made up answers, but even still it helped keep people satisfied because atleast they knew the reason behind something, or so they thought).

After awhile though, religion took the role as a means to control people, and to instill fear (if you don't pray and come to my place of worship you won't make it into "heaven" etc). This is where religion loses most of it's credibility in my eyes, and more people should of realized the truth back then. Other problems were that some societies simply refused to take in outside technology and ideas or were just so hopelessly traditional that they didn't evolve, hurting their own people and society. A perfect example is the Aztecs, they used to sacrifice humans (up to 250,000 a year) to give back to the gods for providing them life. They did this well into the 1500's, where this was stopped my most societies who did this in the past (1000's of years before), because they realized that it had no effect, again by trial and error and over time.

Religion has helped many people, and hurt many people in the past. It has had it's place and time as a guiding and prevalent force in society, but no more. Science and reasoning has taken over (for the most part). We need more science and factual findings behind things and less assumptions and traditional ideas, only then can we continue to evolve and help each other.
2012-07-22 18:11:37
ok....pal ...still 90 percent agree but 10 percent disagree....
technically our thoughts are little different...
but like i said "i would agree with you" ...
you got me...:d

(off record)and you must got excellent marks in essay writing, don't you??? ...(hahaha don't take it personally) ..;)
2012-07-22 18:28:21
:) You can say what you disagree on, I don't bite. In fact I am curious, I like discussions like this.

And yes actually, I have always had great marks in English and for writing essays :P
I always laughed at my friends in college who complained they had to write an 1000 word essay, easy A for me :)
2012-07-22 18:38:30
so my hunch was quite right ...
thats great pal...
you sounds very nice guy...
and for your marks i envy that....
cause i always write a whole bunch crap in my paper and return home with shit on my face...




And leave that 10 percent...
that was utter gibberish thing i have told.....
2012-07-22 18:53:37
Haha Ok, and don't worry, I am sure you are good at something other than essay writing. We all have our strong points and our weak points. Nobody's perfect :)

2012-07-22 19:09:33
its very thoughtful of you....

Actually sacrifice in religion always revolted me a lot....
which is why i m happy for its demise....
In olden time people sacrifice human...after that it partly get finished but still its stead is replace by animal....but the thing which highly piss me off is sacrificing poor animals with great cruelty (like halal) . It really pisses the hell out of me. Why there is a need to give pain so badly. Just because they don't have brain or enough power to shield themselves. We all know we are the most sagacious creature of the god. yet it make me question myself for its reality ....
2012-07-22 19:42:52
i agree lonstrike and really despise the whole concept of sacrificial rituals in any cult..... that shows how far we remain in our understanding of brahma or the great enternal force that lies inside our hearts and is itself a great school of thought and action
2012-07-22 20:20:50
hahaha....you pulled the right string ,,,,amigo<<3
2012-07-22 20:26:18
Great speech, especially dark ages part.
Religion owes me my personal space ship!
2012-07-22 19:02:36
HAHAHA, this cracked me up.

Seriously though, you could be on a vacation on planet Mars right now, at a space strip club.
Think of all the space titties you're missing out on because of religion! :PP
2012-07-22 19:28:47
Damn man! Too clear writing. Why can't religious people be like you?
When people couldn't explain a certain phenomenon, they looked towards supernatural explanations
With the coming of science, things changed. But we still have a % of people who won't accept this change.

I'm an atheist and I believe to try to lead a good life and not to cause others harm. I just don't see how to include religion or god in this equation.
2012-07-22 21:27:12
Well said. The only problem is that the religion and education are still a world apart. I never heard of educated people fighting over religion not because they don't believe in any but they know its pointless to cross lines which exist only in one's belief.
But ironically, some of the most mindful people i.e. politicians, breurocrats, religious leaders which are expected to show high level of wisdom are often among those who agitate and encourage uneducated or under-educated mass to fight for their greedy goals.
The only solution to this is more and more education. That's how i see it.
2012-07-23 14:52:34
A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man. (Albert Einstein)
2012-07-22 17:02:24
What a total failure to post that here :D
2012-07-22 17:20:42
I dont see how he failed, he is just saying the opposite.
2012-07-22 20:00:39
I'm seriously so amused by muslims in this thread calling others ignorant and such. LOL
Come on to be religious is so freaking nonsense in my opinion. And that so many people convert to your c00l muslim stuff. Haha, hell and stuff HAHA can't believe it people are so dumb actually. I mean, if you die you're dead and you gonna rot in your casket and then new life will evolve of your rotten body. That's called evolution dudes. Do you muslims don't have physics, biology, geography and other subjects in school?! Haha D:
How can you believe or live for something you'll never see and never has been seen, felt,smelt or anything. Why would you reduce your standards of living like during Ramadam or how it's called?! If you want to do stuff like this do it for yourself, not for your religion. =D Also it's pretty nonsense if you fuck girls during the night, smoke, drink and during the day you act like you're a good person. :D
That's realistic.

And please, Illuminati stuff LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Post edited 2012-07-22 17:55:43
2012-07-22 17:54:24
this :D

btw check #362
2012-07-24 00:49:11
Commented it. :-D
2012-07-24 12:59:44
I hate religion! When I'm talking to my invisible friends people think I'm freak, but they're requesting help from guy that isn't real too. That's not fair!
2012-07-22 18:05:05
Well I guess in future there will be war over The Great Question between Alied Atheist Alliance (sea otters) and United Atheist Aliiance (humans with dildos on their heads).




Post edited 2012-07-22 18:13:51
2012-07-22 18:13:23
hahaa wtf? :D
2012-07-22 19:58:09
wtf !
2012-07-22 22:31:47
Great episode! watch it:p
2012-07-23 17:25:25
CS is my god and i p(r)lay for it every day :D
2012-07-22 19:56:24
the only thing religion brought us, is war.
2012-07-22 19:57:20
it's more of a mtter of adaptation and india is equally religious as it was 10000 years ago. the basics are very much same and we don't strut about this fact that we still form the most religious communities in the world but still emphasize that for we are one of the rarest communities that is making inroads in the world of both intellectuals and zealots since time immemorial
2012-07-22 20:11:11
+1
2012-07-22 20:16:29
religion never perpetrates war it's followers do
2012-07-22 20:17:47
I think the koran (the muslim one) tells you to attack and kill any town that refuses to accept allah as their God or something like that.
2012-07-22 22:24:03
If its true and Muslims are real hardcore about their religion, then how many muslims go attack and try to conquer the towns because i never heard of any such attempt.
2012-07-23 14:56:40
Terrorist attacks.
2012-07-23 15:01:50
wow? all terrorists are muslims? rophail...Kindly check your GK before making any lame comments bro :-/
2012-07-24 06:48:55
I did not say that all terrorists are muslims.
2012-07-24 13:04:06
Please read your previous comments brother. You clearly blamed the entire muslim community due to some mischievious elements which in turn comprises followers of various religions.
2012-07-24 14:04:44
I stated a fact about the koran, correcting rahulmig35. You asked what such an attack is called. I answered your question (terrorist attacks).

So:
I did not say or imply that all terrorists are muslims.
I did not say or imply that I blame any muslims for anything.
If i did, please quote me and explain why it is suggesting anything that you said. If not, admit your false accusations before you continue rambling, or better yet, save some face and refrain from replying at all.
2012-07-24 16:46:25
? If you think Terrorist attacks are because of what kuran tells them to do, u need some rest :-/ It's all about power. Terrorists are no different from the govts. but just that they are anti-govt. by definition which makes them terrorist. Its all power games if don't know.

And yes, the fact about Kuran? How much have u read? Please intimate me if i am missing somewhere.
2012-07-25 06:56:41
+1
i would not say their contribution is completely but a substantial amount comprising of are muslims.
2012-07-24 14:58:31
xd
2012-07-24 14:34:45
nope
2012-12-18 16:23:16
tbh i'm not i religion hater , but the fact your religion venerates a cow , makes me quite doubtfull about your origins and beliefs , damn it was good steak at dinner :D

Post edited 2012-07-24 00:47:18
2012-07-24 00:47:04
For me, it is important to everyone to respect everyone. Regardless of whether or not a religion.
2012-07-22 20:15:13
gud thinking bro religion was just born out of the need to generate order and uniformity but as we all know what separates one from the other is the way of thinking and i believe u have struck right note as pointed out in indian philosophy for the last 10000 years that human life is about keeping oneself in harmony with nature and value life and ideals
2012-07-22 20:25:40
Religion is the cancer of our planet (wars, intolerance, no spirit openness and more ...)

History has taught us over one hundred times.

Post edited 2012-07-22 20:53:29
2012-07-22 20:52:08
maybe christianity is dying , but islam as religion is growing.

now , there is no need to reply me with anything .. i'm just stating the fact.

bye
2012-07-22 22:05:34
they are all dying , get it straight.

Many emigrants , kids/adolescents these days , living in sweden/germany/etc , from turkey and those countries where they have other religions...they all start to think like the "open minded man" of the age 2012 and not like their parents that would kill just to keep believing in their religion. it's a fact , more of them come to "modern" lifestyle the more of them quit this religion and live life without having problems.
2012-07-24 00:45:51
No problem in being open minded in Islam, we believe God gave us free will. And about the parents, - do you think western parents are any better, going to drink, leaving children to some stranger to just go and have fun with other drunken friends. Then getting divorced. What about the children? And lastly - You said it's a fact, but it's not, fact is Islam is growing more and faster.
2012-07-24 03:30:31
Haha dude, seriously?!
Why would people not go out to have some fun because the religion forbids it?! :D
I mean, my parents did everything right, they have super jobs and went out sometimes and still me and my sister weren't alone at home or anything. If you'd live in germany or any other western country you would change your mind pretty fast I'm so sure.
'The mother has to sit at home' and all this stuff yeah the dad is allowed to do every shit. HAHA seriously come on. =D
I'm glad that I'm not born into that religion because I'm free and you're probably not because your family would despise you or even kill you then. Oh jeez people nowadays. :-)
2012-07-24 12:59:29
"they all start to think like the "open minded man" of the age 2012"

lol i'm 20 livin in europe and will believe in one true God till I die and that is my son OPENMINDED

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3sjnU_YFR8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etljQLaGyiM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMCWnqe4_J8

ISLAM WILL RISE EVEN MORE , CALIPHATE IS COMING AGAIN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvlRfnOQpus

Post edited 2012-07-24 20:53:23
2012-07-24 20:41:47
numbers can be growing but in relative to the whole population, it is shrinking comparing to lets say atheism or agnostics.
2012-07-25 11:41:26
CS:GO on WCG? Fear of Christ
2012-07-22 22:08:37
it's simple you can believe or not ..
2012-07-22 22:20:50
if religion is dying thats a bad news for the expensive car producers since the damn pope and the damn priests won't be able to buy themselves cars worth 1 million $ to ride their fancy asses on and even more the pope won't be able to cover himself in gold any more
2012-07-22 22:21:03
+1
2012-07-23 20:29:22
Religion(s) evolved with the people's needs , beliefs , imagination and wishes . There are ancient religions most of them not practiced anymore because the needs of people changed (you don't need the rain decause you have irrigation system so you don't pray for it anymore ) and new religions/interpretations of a religion that appears every day .
In conclusion religion dies when all population of people dies, but the science dies when the universe dies ,so science>religion .
My personal belive is :
-do bad things then it's more posible to happen bad things to you so i delive in probabilities and common sense
-i belive the religions are important when they forbid you to do bad things etc.
-i'm against the "must believe and not doubt"
2012-07-22 23:21:18
kids gone crazy...
2012-07-23 11:35:52
Here comes the mature one...
2012-07-23 20:30:09
Religion set the rules for men in past, what to do, what was wrong to do, fixed calendary, gives explanation of if life and so on. That was good meening of it. But lately religion started to be used as "way to rule", paying tithes, heresy, wars, that was wrong.

I hope that humankind will drop te religion as lifestyle, because Its goin to be quite dangerous for this planet. I know that for some people is important to trust something, but there is no reason to kill other people for it. Its sad to see, how few muslims can twist the meenings of Koran.
2012-07-23 14:04:55
this.

religion took a step too forward in the domination
2012-07-24 00:42:45
what?=D
2012-07-24 10:06:02
i have no good english to talk about this issue. if the admins let me to write in spanish and someone that can translate me. xD
2012-07-23 16:35:55
atheist kids only hate on religion. Why don't you stay on your place and let people do whatever they want.
2012-07-23 17:19:28
I'm one of those "atheist kids" and I do not hate religion, it's a choose you make to believe or not, and I do not hate those who believe.


iFuture is strong, FUNKPHENOMENA is wrong.
2012-07-23 20:32:09
??

You've felt offended, that's why you replied to me. And I said that in general.
2012-07-23 23:55:41
Yes, I felt offended.
I can prove that a lot of people actually don't hate religion even if they are atheist.
2012-07-24 01:20:54
Just like #360?
2012-07-24 03:44:50
That comment is deleted
2012-07-24 13:19:35
Is just down yours! Look it's from paula
2012-07-24 17:24:01
Actually he is hating those who are religious, I said that I can prove many of them don't, do you have reading problems?
2012-07-24 18:36:23
Did I said the contraire?
2012-07-24 23:19:35
Do you have comprehension problems?
2012-07-25 20:30:51
It's you who have comprehension problems. I didn't said you were wrong. So read it again.
2012-07-25 21:55:21
Where I am wrong, I said people who don't hate, I didn't mean Paulo, get back to school, or get some English lessons, you really need them.
2012-07-25 23:30:57
"I didn't said you were wrong"
"Where I am wrong"

Are you that stupid?
2012-07-26 21:29:28
You could really use some English lessons aswell.
2013-01-04 18:34:31
Why the fuck are you replying on an inactive thread you fucking peasant.
2013-01-04 19:04:10
Well, since it has been opened again, I wouldn't know whether it was inactive or not.

Compare countries and skill in English language, and call me peasant again.
2013-01-04 19:55:35
don't say bullshit tnx
i believe only in what i see
prove me god is real
i dare you
2012-07-24 00:42:06
Here one of those retarded hating kids I was talking about. Listen, I don't need to prove anything. You belive if you want, I'm not gonna say anything.
2012-07-24 03:40:48
do u see air or oxygen no then by ur statement it's not real.
2012-12-18 09:09:17
That's the most retarded argument i've ever read.

By science you can see the particles of oxygen.
2013-01-05 06:20:19
u still can't see them by ur own eyes without any other help case closed
2013-01-05 07:07:38
"There are no atheists in foxholes"
2012-07-23 17:28:31
I'll be happy to attend the funeral.
2012-07-23 21:10:58
ye well... religion is just a fairytail.. even tho i wish it wasnt... i dont like the idea of dying and just completely disappearing :Ç
2012-07-24 00:13:36
Despite the fact author is complete troll, I hope that religion will be no more part of the world.
Religion is what lies behind half (or even more) conflicts in the world.
And by saying religion I doesn't mean your right to believe in someone (or group of higher substantions), but specific rituals etc..
2012-07-24 00:30:09
To not reply to everyone I just post here in the bottom for now...

Believers...stop saying bullshit like : I believe in science but have faith in God...you can't do these things in the same time , and other people saying God is real , praying everyday for shit to happen instead of moving your ass and doing something yourselves to get your "dreams" come true and get what you want.

I am atheist and I believe only in what I see , that doesn't mean I don't believe in paranormal or things like that , I just need proof , and when I'm gonna see God too , I'm gonna notice you I put him on my "real" list ;)

And I hope religion will vanish from this world , it only caused chaos for something that could have been solved without violence. They all say the are the best people in the world and then they go kill the population of other countries for nothing.

Come on kids , get your world real and get out of the fairytail , this argument is exactly like "CS1.6 vs CS:S" :DDD if you have an open mind you know what the right answer is.

Post edited 2012-07-24 00:41:29
2012-07-24 00:37:58
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2s14T6x5AM

Why should I not believe in the science when Allah gave the Quran 1400years ago and explained about scientific facts, so for us humans to do research and see if thats true. Basically, thats what scientists has been doing now - Science actually strengthen Islam.
2012-07-24 03:37:43
I stopped at the first minutes.
When he said that atheist believe in a "machinery", in a main "machinery".


2012-07-24 13:41:29
LOL, "he said that atheist believe in a machinery" - You put this out of context, either that, or you really have trouble understanding English.
2012-07-24 19:40:00
I speak other 4 languages, so maybe I do not understand perfectly.
"Believe in a machinery"-I believe in science. Not in a machinery.
Even a car it's a machinery or it isn't?
2012-07-24 21:54:38
"I believe in science but have faith in God...you can't do these things in the same time" I can, you mad bro?

"praying everyday for shit to happen instead of moving your ass and doing something yourselves to get your "dreams" come true and get what you want." Nice point over here, perhaps you should do the smae about you being fat?

"And I hope religion will vanish from this world , it only caused chaos for something that could have been solved without violence. They all say the are the best people in the world and then they go kill the population of other countries for nothing." Yea blame religion, your generation is the Hate Generation, you know why? Because you're always complaining about thing you don't like instead of ignoring and moving on and apprecate the things u like.

"Come on kids , get your world real and get out of the fairytail , this argument is exactly like "CS1.6 vs CS:S" :DDD if you have an open mind you know what the right answer is." Yea this just proves my point on the hate thing. Btw you said kids, but you're 15/16... so...
2012-07-24 03:44:18
1. "Perhaps you should do the same about you being fat?" How do you know he is fat? Your God told you?
2. "We are the hate generation" http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/d/d7/LOL_WUT_PE..
3. At "name" tab you put this: "Fukin Dumb Kid"
Just saying...

Before writing a comment please connect brain to fingers.
2012-07-24 13:33:40
1. No, I saw photos of him.
2. Are you blind or what?
3. Nice flame. Now when you turn 18 let's have a real discussion ok?
2012-07-24 17:38:09
Age doesn't really matter, I saw 30 years old acting like 10 years old and 14 years old acting like 40+
So your argument is invalid.

Also offend someone because of his weight it's just stupid.
2012-07-24 18:37:39
"Also offend someone because of his weight it's just stupid."

Because offending someone because of their beliefs isn't stupid at all right?
2012-07-24 23:20:48
I did not offend you because you believe in God.
I did not offend you at all.
2012-07-25 20:32:01
Maybe you didn't meant to, but you did offend judging the way you write.
2012-07-25 21:56:24
Here the only one who offends it's just you.
I'm too educated to continue this conversation.
Bye.
2012-07-25 23:29:39
I offend people who doesn't deserve other treatmet. You treat religious people like retards and you think you don't insult? You're a fukin genius.
2012-07-26 21:25:53
you saw photos of me? :D ahahah want me to share my pics here to prove you're wrong or what? :D

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/457..

1st on left , i'm fat huh?

Post edited 2012-07-24 20:09:27
2012-07-24 20:08:40
Where you bought that t-shit?
2012-07-24 21:56:57
Congratulations gypsy.
2012-07-24 23:21:57
first of all i'm not gipsy , and i'm not fat either , your argument is invalid , please try again
2012-07-25 01:14:35
Nice point over here, perhaps you should do the smae about you being fat? ~ sorry to dissapoint you , not fat

Btw you said kids, but you're 15/16 ~ not 15 nor 16 , got it wrong again , and even if i was , it would count because people have different personalities and some are more mature some not.

be right back i'm going to make my christmas list for santa cause christmas is near
2012-07-24 20:07:40
Yea you're older but you aren't mature. You're right.

Because Santa is something invented by religion and not Coca-Cola. You're a fukin genius.
2012-07-24 23:23:15
believing to god is like believing to santa

too bad that if i pray for santa to give me gifts atleast i know that even if he isn't real someone tries to buy me those things to make me happy , instead your god gives you nothing and doesnt let you live life at its fullest
2012-07-25 01:16:15
You seem to be an expert at religion, please tell me more.
2012-07-25 17:30:46
OH SNAP! IT'S MY FAULT!!
2012-07-27 16:57:07
the catolicism is shit... you have only one fucking life.. Why let the church decide for me what to do with my life? the vatican is the most retrogade of the world. they heat the gays, are against the decisions of women about their bodies, they organized wars in the name of god, and they worked in a lot of dark proyects and process around the world..
so, the religion is dying.. GREAT NEWS!!!!!!!!!
2012-07-24 00:40:46
all the religions are a joke.
the majority of the people that follow a religion, are influenced by the parents or family... they don't think for themselves and don't ask questions..


brainwashed as fuck
2012-07-24 02:27:31
another fucked up pointless topic but nobody removed it . where are your admins now ?
2012-07-24 03:53:38
this IS a topic, not asking how much sens f0rest uses! ZOMGGGGGGGGGGG
2012-07-24 13:03:22
Some people like to discuss polemic topics in their favorite communities even thought this is a CS community I don't visit any other forums.

So if you are not interested why don't you fuck off?
Nobody is making you read this so why do you bother comming here to comment shit?
This website is not made for you it's made for a whole community and threads have an off-topic option so we can have threads about whatever the fuck we want.
2012-07-25 17:58:46
I bother cuz hell better threads get cancelled and this shit stays on the site , same as ur comment , I got about 5 bans for words like these .
2012-07-26 02:56:05
na man, existential doubt always will exist in man
2012-07-24 05:37:36
delete please
2012-07-24 10:23:28
Religion is dying because of the way it is used. People use it to fund their personal wars and other hateful agendas. In the end, religion ends up looking like the poster-boy for everything bad.
2012-07-24 12:40:11
there are a lot of people, who have found a balance between their religion and our modern society. religion can evolve like everything else, unfortunately a lot of influential people in religion aren't that forward-looking. as religious people have to learn to find that balance, we as atheists have to learn to treat them in a respectful way. religion is a very personal thing and disrespectful and hateful statements only create new gulfs between people.

Post edited 2012-07-24 13:19:21
2012-07-24 13:18:53
religion turns ppl into ignorant violent homophobes. There is no better example than muslims.
2012-07-24 13:57:03
AGREED
2012-07-24 13:59:39
i think u are dumb for saying this.
2012-07-24 14:16:28
Islam advocates killing of gays and lesbians (just like Xtianity) and much more
2012-07-24 14:22:08
very dumb. can u prove this to me from quran?
2012-07-24 14:27:13
Under Sharia law gays and lesbians are murdered. If u say otherwise, ur a Liar.
2012-07-24 14:28:37
u cannot say anything without proving it, consider me a liar, i don't care but don't say shit like this without proving it, i also can say what ever i want after hearing some bullshit from my neighbours , they said that atheists are killing religious people.
2012-07-24 14:36:16
I did prove it u fag
2012-07-24 14:38:16
seriously you state it by yourself that they kill people (:
2012-07-24 15:27:05
"We also sent Lut: He said to his people: Do ye commit lewdness such as no people in creation (ever) committed before you? For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds. And his people gave no answer but this: they said, "Drive them out of your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!"" (Qur'an 7:80-82)
2012-07-24 14:31:04
"Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather than women? Nay, ye are a people (grossly) ignorant! But his people gave no other answer but this: They said, "Drive out the followers of Lut from your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!" But We saved him and his family, except his wife; her We destined to be of those who lagged behind. And We rained down on them a shower (of brimstone): and evil was the shower on those who were admonished (but heeded not)!" (Qur'an 27:55-58)

"And (remember) Lut: behold, he said to his people: "Ye do commit lewdness, such as no people in Creation (ever) committed before you. Do ye indeed approach men, and cut off the highway? - and practise wickedness (even) in your councils?" But his people gave no answer but this: they said: "Bring us the Wrath of Allah if thou tellest the truth." (Qur'an 29:28-29)

"If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or Allah ordain for them some (other) way. If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone; for Allah is Oft-returning, Most Merciful." (Qur'an 4:15-16)
2012-07-24 14:32:29
Homosexuality in the Sharia

While there is a consensus that same-sex intercourse is in violation of Islamic law, there are differences of opinion within Islamic scholarship about punishment, reformation, and what standards of proof are required before physical punishment becomes lawful.

In Sunni Islam there are eight madhhabs, or legal schools, of which only four still exist: Hanafi, Shafi'i, Hanbali, Maliki. The main Shia school is called Ja'fari, but there are Zaidi and Ismai'ili also. More recently, some groups have rejected this tradition in favor of greater ijtihad, or individual interpretation. Of these schools, according to Michael Mumisa of the Birmingham-based Al Mahdi institute:

The Hanafi school does not consider same-sex intercourse to constitute adultery, and therefore leaves punishment up to the judge's discretion. Most early scholars of this school specifically ruled out the death penalty, others allow it for a second offence.
Imam Shafi'i considers same-sex intercourse as analogous to other zina; thus, a married person found to have done so is punished as an adulterer (by stoning to death), and an unmarried one, as a fornicator, is left to be flogged.
The Maliki school says that anyone (married or unmarried) found to have committed same-sex intercourse should be punished as an adulterer.
Within the Ja'fari schools, Sayyid al-Khoi says that anyone (married or unmarried) found to have committed same-sex intercourse should be punished as an adulterer.

It should also be noted that the punishment for adultery requires four witnesses; by analogy, all schools, require four witnesses to the physical act of penetration for the punishment to be applied.But if otherwise any other proof is found through modern methods such as DNA testing or so the punishment can be implimented.
2012-07-24 14:33:24
www.religionfacts.com isn't the best source though, don't get tied up to a unique source
2012-07-24 14:51:12
lol, I see u dont have an argument
2012-07-24 14:53:23
actually i'm not a genius in religions, i don't want to say you are wrong in some issues but, if we are talking about islam, there is nearly no country that practice these kinds of punishments, that's all from me now
2012-07-24 15:09:01
Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan for sure. I wouldnt be surprised if it was Pakistan and some parts of Somalia. Remember, u cant fool ppl so easily. We already know what islam is about.
2012-07-24 15:16:07
you can't blame a religion because there is a FEW people that misunderstand some parts of it.
2012-07-24 15:30:51
I can blame religion because I´ve just proven it commands ppl to hate gays and lesbians.
2012-07-24 16:52:38
+1

I love you.
2012-07-24 21:59:48
Ummm... Are you intepretting Qu'ran the same way your prophet Muhammed did? I dont think you are, now tell me by what right can you or anyone else decide what should be taken literally and what not?

Are you better than Muhammed?
2012-12-18 16:41:22
Yap, religion is such a piece of shit, muslim countries are so behind in time because of it.
2012-07-25 18:01:08
Really ?Do you actually understand that every empire has an apogee, and then collapse ?Arabs were the most advanced in astrology mathematics and other stuff a time ago, then another empire was ahead, and got beat by another etc. Religion might give a way to think, but won't make a country to collapse.
2013-01-04 17:51:49
You must watch this video and after say again.

Speaking:English
Words:Turkish http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0Od14SAZb4



Speaking:English
Words:English http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbW-EXTErLc

these videos same but imo this is more good then first.

Post edited 2013-01-04 20:21:01
2013-01-04 20:14:37
And why was Europe so behind back then? Religion.
2013-01-04 22:41:26
Nope, in the past were all over the Muslims of Europe. (almost)
2013-01-04 23:35:36
live like u want to live, get drunk get some girls make wars feed yourselves make fun of others, then u will get punished.
2012-07-24 14:24:59
Says a lunatic who believes in an invisible daddy in the sky. Ur laughable.
2012-07-24 14:34:22
Catholic church biggest criminal organisation that is killing, raping and stealing from people for almost two thousand years! Jesus was a good guy, but of course corrupted men used him so they could live wealthy and carefree lives. Religion isn't bad. CHURCHES and religious organisations such as catholic churc are what is bad about religion. If religion gives someone hope its a good thing..
2012-07-24 15:21:21
Religion is dying,CS is dying,world is dying ...ALL IS DYING -.-
2012-07-24 16:11:56
I hope this thread will be deleted
2012-07-24 22:01:11
yeah lets snort some heroin and be happy till we can
2012-07-24 22:19:23
as soon as it dies i will be the happiest person alive
2012-07-25 01:20:42
u will first believe in god when ur plain is crashing and on the way down right?
2012-07-25 01:29:33
Relgious ppl reap the benefit of science(medicine, internet, automobiles) yet ignores what science endorses(evidence, rationale thinking) in favour of medieval fairy tales.

Religion categorises ppl just like race and can easily spark a conflict between fellow human beings.

I cant believe a lot of schools in developed countries still teaches creationism over evolution. As the internet community grow and ppl have more access to knowledge and education in third world countries, religious influence will weaken just as it was weakened during the renaissance and when church and state was seperated in many countries.
2012-07-25 11:29:55
religion deathadder, for humans by humans
2012-07-25 21:28:00
Science does not believe God created the world, They say Big Bang did but when homo habilis is envolving they go say that the walking/ making fire / hunting better with more skills to do weapons/ is from some mythological figures , and religion about Christianism anyone who believes what Vatican says is just a dumb mother fucker , believe in whatever you want just respect and love all other people, animals and nature .

peace
2012-07-25 23:47:25
life is a test ! some days and we will die :) nobody lives for ever
religion is a guide to live well and to get more positive points in ur test
god will juge us for what we did in earth and if its good u'll go to paradise ( good game ) if it's bad go to hell ( noob )
so just live ur life and try to be good help the others and thank god for what he gave ! we all created by the one and the only god :)
2012-07-26 01:59:48
wtf are you talking about?

I DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD and still I do my best and I'm not a criminal and do bad stuff , just because I'm a good person not because I'm scared that your immaginary friend is going to give me to his friend the devil so he can burn my soul.

I'm here cause my father fucked my other , not cause GOD wanted me on this planet , and I DO NOT THANK GOD for what I HAVE , cause everything I had/have is because of my family and from my own.

Stop saying bullshit you guys make me sick.
2012-07-27 12:51:23
"I DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD and still I do my best and I'm not a criminal and do bad stuff "
Yeah, well your bad manners and lack of respect toward others are indeed what a "good" person (like you call yourself) would do. No, religion like Islam is a complete & perfect guide for humanity that was sent down for 1434 years for those people and to everyone until the day of judgement. So read it, and see what it teaches how to behave.
2013-01-07 07:39:02
bad stuff , arguing online for a shitty game is bad stuff
k brb gonna kill my family
2013-01-07 13:00:23
...god will juge us for what we did in earth ...

No, I wont judge no one. Because That'll make no sense.

Post edited 2012-12-18 17:40:13
2012-12-18 17:36:30
If a person has an imaginary friend, this is crazy
If many people have an imaginary friend, is religion
....................................................
you can not have a rational conversation with someone who is based in iracional

Post edited 2012-07-26 03:49:12
2012-07-26 03:47:48
So being scared makes you religious? Its really dumb. Atheists dont belive in the afterlife so just because they are going to die doesnt mean they suddenly turn into religious people. Actually thats one of the reasons a lot of people are religious. They are afraid of the fact that you dont live after you die.
2012-07-26 14:41:59
FOXJ > GOD
2012-07-26 17:49:31
Naaaaaaa

Joao Moutinho > GOD

Fc Porto > Heaven

And Cristiano Ronaldo > Jesus

Post edited 2012-12-18 16:40:56
2012-12-18 16:39:52
I DONT KNOW ABOUT RELIGION BUT LOOKS LIKE SK 1.6 TEAM IS DEAD ROFL
2012-07-26 19:30:06
Religion is dying in your thought and also for the persons that dont have solid base of religion, but the true religion is not dying ;)

Post edited 2012-07-26 20:08:11
2012-07-26 20:06:55
good read
2012-07-29 02:58:00
This is really a nice idea thanks for sharing this useful information with us. Keep writing amazing article like this and help the people to exploring the world .
http://becoming-a-psychiatrist.org/history-of-psyc..

Post edited 2012-12-18 08:54:01
2012-12-18 08:53:09
Its on a decline in the west but it can be revived
2012-12-18 09:21:32
Like all other forms of control over the world of man has vanished so will religion. Maybe it will be replaced by another, maybe it will be better or worse, hoping for better. Asimov used this concepts in his Fundation Trilogy.
2012-12-18 09:22:26
Imaginary friends? no thanks

Post edited 2012-12-18 09:31:49
2012-12-18 09:29:06
Who created the God? Human being
Who wrote the Bible? Human being
2012-12-18 09:33:10
Science keeps showing us new answers to big questions and will continue to search for them. Religious people keep burying their heads in the sand or changing their interpretations to fit into what we now know.

Religion is faith without evidence.
2012-12-18 09:35:37
You're have at least 1 evidence. Me, I'm God. Maybe you're too.
2012-12-18 14:24:09
That's exactly the point.

Where all the ridiculous dogma has been made not only unnecessary but plain false, the religious folk cling on to science. Their main argument is usually "scientists have proven this". If one nuthead with a PhD says so, it is so. They just ignore the other 10'000 with the same PhD claiming otherwise.
2012-12-18 14:42:01
Religion always loves unproved theories and unrealistic stories which are covered by sweet words like LOVE, FAITH, HEAVEN.
2012-12-18 15:11:32
and its only a good thing if you ask me
2012-12-18 10:58:31
I believe )))
2012-12-18 11:34:48
some people only believe when their life suck @ a certain point
and when they are happy they don't even know how a church looks like.
2012-12-18 11:40:45
Maybe that is opposite. One stopped believing religion when he had serious problems. He realized that only human (included himself)can solve those problems.
2012-12-18 15:20:43
good that is good
2012-12-18 12:07:59
I genuinely think all religions apart from Islam are acceptable.

Islamic Country = 3rd World/Constant Wars/ Unjustified Killing.

Christian/Jewish = Developed and only go to war when it is necessary. E.G A Muslim killing a person because they expressed their opinion.

Post edited 2012-12-18 12:19:21
2012-12-18 12:17:47
wtf???
2012-12-18 16:28:26
What is the penalty for leaving Islam? Death!

I dont like Christianity or Judaism either, but Islam is backwards, violent, and worse than the rest. I wanted to believe all the people that said Islam is about peace, but once I read more about it and researched it myself, I was appalled.

Post edited 2012-12-18 16:50:47
2012-12-18 16:50:20
that's all nonsense tbh we never force anyone to be muslim our god told us not to force anyone and there's no penalty for leaving islam and what violence the only violence u should be talking about is isreal's
2012-12-19 06:09:43
"Whosoever turns back from his belief (irtada), openly or secretly, take him and kill him wheresoever ye find him, like any other infidel."
-Mufradat-gharib-ul-Quran-lil Sheikh-ar-Raghib, p.191.

But you'll probably tell me you dont believe in that and you can choose the parts of the Quran you like and leave out others you dont like. You're brainwashed because Jordan sentences writers and poets like Salah Kharisat and Islam Samhan to jail for showing Islam in a negative light.
2012-12-19 07:48:38
Rome Church and Ortodox Church are way different.

Post edited 2013-01-04 22:47:20
2013-01-04 22:46:50
wtf???#2
2012-12-18 16:37:03
Ahahhah nice troll
2012-12-18 16:38:15
You sir, are a complete ignorant.
2012-12-18 16:44:28
I like the way you think.
2013-01-04 20:06:33
religions = worlds biggest scam. imo
2012-12-18 12:18:22
aahahahahhaha
2012-12-18 12:53:34
The dead can not die. There are still billions of religious people on Earth, eventho science killed religion (what was left of it) over 100 years ago
2012-12-18 12:24:37
if religion die it would be the best thing ever happened to the world
2012-12-18 12:38:31
+1
2012-12-18 12:51:33
+10
2012-12-18 14:35:55
+1337
2012-12-18 17:10:16
consummerism is the new religion. no worries.
2012-12-18 13:00:30
Religion is shit, should not be existed never.
2012-12-18 14:20:17
I once told people here I'm God myself. But nobody believed me. Oh why? :(



Post edited 2012-12-18 14:21:22
2012-12-18 14:20:22
religion was more common in the past cause there was more misery in everyones life, happy people who live 80 years dont need religion, as someone said 'There are no atheists in foxholes', i doubt religion has anything to do with actual believing, it's more about what's comfortable for your frame of mind

Post edited 2012-12-18 14:44:39
2012-12-18 14:42:33
Dont worry ,Religion never dies .
2012-12-18 15:13:31
True. Because there will be always people who need imaginary things to easy their soul.
2012-12-18 15:24:12
maybe 200 years from now
2012-12-18 17:01:13
We are the CS strikers with our weapons, we will crush you with our shoutgun. Me and my teammates chelange you to a duel!
2012-12-18 15:36:03
True Story....
2012-12-18 16:37:29
If 1 person cut off the foreskin of his sons penis he would be sent to jail for years for child abuse, if 1 person cut the clitoris out of his daughters vagina he would go to jail for years for child abuse.

IF millions of people do it then its ok because "god" said so.

Infact, you can pretty much get away with anything in the world if its in the name of "god"

Post edited 2012-12-18 16:57:43
2012-12-18 16:57:07
Religion has become corrupt and has started to separate from its original concept since the medieval times.

Utilitarianism is currently the most logical form of philosophy on the planet, because it utilized basic psychological principals which we all do without noticing.

However, the structure of a good society is based on the old principles of religion, these should be followed. But when it comes to euthanasia/ assisted suicide and abortion then we need to consider the quality of life rather than the sanctity of it, if something is surely sacred, than defiling it is direct violation of that concept.

Religious practice and debates are a lock on the human races potential to exceed it's predecessors and evolve. Creationism on the other hand is creative delusional excuses for retards.

Post edited 2012-12-18 17:08:34
2012-12-18 17:07:19
"a good society is based on the old principles of religion, these should be followed." Is that a joke?

Read the Bible or Quran, it's chock full of great things like murder, slavery, cruelty, torture, genocide, misogyny, homophobia, pedophilia, etc. Many of these things are disgusting by today's standards.

We don't get our morality from scripture. To say so would be a insult to human beings. Would it be that hard to figure out that killing another is not ideal for a society? If we just went straight from religious scripture, we'd still have slavery and it would be fine for men to stone their wives for adultery. I would prefer a morality that was well thought with reason from a large consensus rather than a 2000 year old book.
2012-12-18 17:40:53
uve never read quran there's nothing of what u said in it
2012-12-19 06:12:46
Maybe you've never read it. It's there. Your interpretations of the text may differ with more fundamentalists, but that's the problem. It's a Holy book from God, you can't pick and choose what you want to believe. If it's from God, all of it should be true. You can't ignore parts you dont like.
2012-12-19 08:00:13
this!
2012-12-19 14:19:10
+9^99
2012-12-19 17:57:48
Thank god religion is dying!
2012-12-18 17:17:52
That`s how the 21.12.12 starts (JOKE)
2012-12-18 17:30:10
se oli joke c ossi :D
2013-01-04 18:10:36
thats why we support the great visualizer George Soros and New World Order.
2012-12-18 17:34:10
talk about a good bullshit story..holy fucking Shit (c) Carlin
2012-12-19 14:02:22
"Wants comments on your thread? Well just say something about religion! INSTA 500 cooments!"
2012-12-19 18:00:46
I personally believe in a God but not really entirely in religion. I do believe there is something much greater which we can't understand because I don't see a way science providing an answer to all those questions. We shouldn't base our judgement on whether someone is a believer or not. If religion can make some people happy then let it do so, why should atheists bash on them? The more I come in contact with atheists the more I realise that they are actually the close-minded people. In my opinion the most important is just to be a good human being who respects others.

Yes, I'm aware of the fact that religion caused many wars, pain and suffering but you can't blame directly God for that. I know no religion which say's that we should kill other people. Most of the rules in religions are actually very peaceful but people get brainwashed by some religious dictators/fanatics and do crazy shit but don't blame God for that.

Another thing which I would like to add is that many great philosophers believed that religion is necessary to maintain structure in society.

Like Rousseau and Comte said:
"How can you make people respect the law if they come to the conclusion that the law are all just man-made rules and conventions ?"

For both Rousseau and Comte the answer was simple: Religion. If people would believe a Godly, superiour creature is the reason for these laws they would believe it, but they both criticised Christianity for not concentrating on this part.

Einstein:
"Science without Religion Is Lame, Religion without Science Is Blind"

Post edited 2012-12-19 18:08:08
2012-12-19 18:06:31
We don't get our morality from scripture. Is it hard to figure out killing others isn't the best solution to problems? No. The Old Testament is filled with genocide, slavery, incest, child abuse, rape, misogyny, etc that God excuses. Have you had a look at these so called rules in religion? Example: Just the 10 commandments are crazy because half of them are just God being really jealous and they say nothing about other crimes like slavery, child abuse, rape, etc.

Atheists would prefer rational thought and religion is purely based on faith(no evidence) and thus irrational.

BTW: Einstein did not believe in a personal god. And he was not alwasy right either because he was wrong about Quantum mechanics.
2013-01-04 19:27:03
The morality issue is a very complicated issue. What you might believe is 'not done' is considered to be reasonable/fine in other cultures and countries, and our view on morality changes trough time. About the commandments I wasn't specifically referring to them, but the other half of it condemns acts such as murder, lying, stealing, ...

Now coming to the part of 'rational thoughts'. This type of thinking came from the so called 'Age of Enlightenment', but rational thoughts and reasonable acting (don't know if it's the correct term I've used here) could lead to selfishness. Our society is in constant evolution, and our way of thinking will definately change again. Rational thoughts is just something abstract, how would you define what's rational and what not?
I believe religion is needed to make people have respect for society and rules. If you believe the rules are made from God, you will follow them but if the rules are blocking you from reaching your goals and there is no belief that they're coming from God, you will say the rules are just man-made, so who gives a fuck if I follow them.

I just added Einstein, because alot of people refer to him as the one that's always right.

My English isn't that great to know how to rephrase correctly my opinions/ideas about this matter but I hope you understood what I was trying to say here.
2013-01-06 12:50:26
Well, how do we even know a set of rules are from God? You will have to convince people first of that. And then which rule book? The Bible? Jesus' teachings? Islamic Sharia law? Hindu Law? Does God even exist?

The religious scriptures(whichever religion) all have huge holes in them and can excuse things that we no longer believe to be moral. Your reason for the need of religion would only work if all the rules were true for all time and there isnt one that exists. Like you said, our sense of morality can change over time, so what does that say about the accuracy of the Bible/Torah/Quran/Etc? Those are texts from an all knowing all powerful creator and it just left things out?

I don't know where you live, but in America and Islamic countries, fundamentalist are quite big. There are many people who refuse to believe the world is older than 6000 years old. There are people who will not give their children medicine and choose prayer in Jesus/Allah/Whoever to rid their diseases. There are many who deny science findings or oppose stem cell research. All because they believe in their scripture.
2013-01-07 11:54:47
sociologically speaking, religion was the first way of establishing personal identity (me, a believer of this totem as a non-Other, a believer of a different totem).
"Traditional" religions are losing people because other means of self-identification are becoming more important (eg. comsumerism as a/the new religion) - me is my personality -> my personality is my wishes -> my wish is eg. a cake -> your wish is eg. an apple -> we buy different things -> me is what I buy VS. you(what you buy). put VERY VERY simple.

it's complicated and my english isnt the best, for those who are interested - Emile Durkheim.

Post edited 2012-12-19 18:59:35
2012-12-19 18:57:01
Living as a religious person with science having explained almost everything about what used to be unexplainable today would be hard

It would be hard to ignore the evidence and still believe in God in my opinion. Always been atheist
2013-01-04 18:37:03
Statism is the religion of the day.
2013-01-04 19:33:04
The sad thing is: the more fanaticly religious people are, the more they make kids: Here in France, fanatic muslims and jews have at least 4-5 babies for one couple (In Strasbourg where I live, fanatic jews are plenty and quite annoying).
No racism, its just a fact.

you dont need to be a mathematician to understand that the laic guys will be decreasing as time goes on, at least in my country.
2013-01-04 20:02:55
not even, Christians are still believing
2013-01-04 20:02:58
Apatheism stronk, religions wronk.
2013-01-04 20:08:42
Muslims everywhere, one day, all the people to investigate, to learn the truth and be a Muslim
2013-01-04 20:16:42
In Russia religion is still very serious business with people making insane money.

Personally I don't see any sense in believing in some invisible allmighty guy. There is nothing that I can not do by myself.

Post edited 2013-01-04 22:51:19
2013-01-04 22:45:32
by: JJs
#637
Me2' there's no mankind creature god as in a bible and ect. But if I would say that in my home country (Georgia) that there's no invisible mankind or god who created us and there's no point in believing , people would kill me with stones in a street
2013-01-04 23:45:18
Just please, don't bring back to life this thread.
2013-01-05 00:29:40
Is this bad to have a thread that has nothing to do with gaming? I found it pretty interesting to take a knowledge of ppl's opinion form different countries about religion.
2013-01-06 14:24:33
90% of the threads here are off-topic so this is not the only one.
It's really sad to see brainwashed people arguing and trying to defend an invisible guy.
2013-01-06 14:32:44
As far as I noticed ~80% of users don't believe in god nor trying to defend him. As I already said I'm just interested in people's point about religion.

Post edited 2013-01-06 14:39:17
2013-01-06 14:39:03
Nevermind.

Post edited 2013-01-06 16:56:26
2013-01-06 16:54:14
u can't see heat,nor u can see cold.But still science do revolve around them. btw you don't believe wat u don't see.
2013-01-07 12:14:55
this threads are so stupid, is hltv so wtf

plus is fake, religion is culture too, never dissapear GeNiuS
2013-01-05 05:58:32
what if i told you the culture always changes. :D

Here new 'culture'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HUBOD7Qt74
2013-01-05 06:27:53
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enOHraf3LEk

AHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHA
2013-01-05 07:02:48
LOL. The Dark Night Rises wasn't less a comedy for me too. Lot of nonsense scenes.
2013-01-05 07:49:40
who cares about it just play cs and thats it
2013-01-06 14:38:54
yes it is dying, they need to change the recoil, add some new maps in the bible and ofcourse make it more realistic!!!!!!

Post edited 2013-01-06 17:12:10
2013-01-06 17:11:15
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