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it's official? I don't think so
2012-08-31 23:10:45
Its just a post lol, but seriously wasnt 1.9 supposed to come same time as csgo lol
who cares I wont play it anyway
who cares I wont play it anyway
2012-08-31 23:11:48
will be fun to play the final version of csp in 2035 =D
2012-08-31 23:19:45
+1
2012-09-01 19:10:45
It was supposed to come 2 weeks before csgo, then 1 week before it, then a few days after. Now csgo is out for ten days, still no CSP 1.09 :D :D :D
2012-09-01 00:15:16
They never gave a date, they just said before CS:GO so you're lying to make it look worse.
2012-09-01 10:37:25
LMAO they said THEMSELVES that they would release it at the begining of the week of the August 13th. Then they delayed it over and over and it's still not out yet. Why would i lie about it? It's not like it matters or something. The game is already dead, they could release it now or in 2 years, it wouldn't change anything :))
2012-09-01 11:18:01
The only thing I ever read was Saul's "it'll be out before CS:GO". Prove me wrong.
2012-09-01 11:20:03
no money = deaded
2012-08-31 23:19:09
Give it a chance. Its a good game and like it says
Their mission: to combine the perfect gameplay of 1.6 with the improved graphics of the Source engine, cutting out all of Valve’s rubbish and creating a shining new generation of GoldSrc
Their mission: to combine the perfect gameplay of 1.6 with the improved graphics of the Source engine, cutting out all of Valve’s rubbish and creating a shining new generation of GoldSrc
2012-08-31 23:21:01
Westerman is the worst writer ESEA has to offer. Don't read any of his shitty articles
2012-08-31 23:22:00
"Although version 1.09 is now nearing completion, we don’t feel that it's the right time to release our update, with CS:GO so close to launch. Therefore, we will wait to release 1.09 until after CS:GO has been out for a little while. " from cspromod website.
2012-08-31 23:22:14
Agressive opinions: the reason for this whole war
Post edited 2012-08-31 23:25:59
Post edited 2012-08-31 23:25:59
2012-08-31 23:22:40
deaded is my new favorite word
2012-08-31 23:23:00
The guy is paid by ESEA who are in business with Valve, no wonder he thinks CSP is dead. Anyways who cares about this guys opinion?
IMHO CSP > CSGO in gameplay ATM.
Post edited 2012-08-31 23:30:25
IMHO CSP > CSGO in gameplay ATM.
Post edited 2012-08-31 23:30:25
2012-08-31 23:28:42
you cared enough to write a comment
2012-08-31 23:31:27
he doesn't care about his opinion. he cares about the misleading title
2012-08-31 23:51:37
Its not about if you care or not. Its about everything (or almost everything) he says is the truth.
2012-08-31 23:36:34
it depends how you see it, apart from the fact hes paid to say that and the CSP team is slow as fuck, CSP is for now the most accurate replica of what we had in 1.6, if it gets a couple of good updates it could be the answer to our prayers for a new _competitive fps game_.
CS:GO is way too casual gamer focused imho.
CS:GO is way too casual gamer focused imho.
2012-08-31 23:42:00
I don't know about you, but most of the people here including me have played counter strike since 2000 (well, i switched to source in 2007-2008), most of us feel pretty bored by its gameplay (even if it is almost perfect). I think moving towards csp would be like a "statu quo", wheras moving to something fresh and new would be a step forward. Even if csgo's gameplay is not amazing yet, and i prefer csp's one atm, i really think it will become really good in the next few months
2012-09-01 00:23:45
I'm all up for new weapons, some changes in the money/weapon balance and of course new balanced maps but CS:GO is just too different and sadly it is not focused on what makes 1.6 shine, balance, complexity and a high skill ceiling.
I feel they simplified CS way too much and they haven't though about gameplay fundamentals neither they took into account 12 years of competitive CS, its like they wanted to build a FFA 20vs20 game.
On the other hand CSP has most of the 1.6 essentials and it can only get better since it focuses on what CS essentially is, a 5vs5 team game.
I feel they simplified CS way too much and they haven't though about gameplay fundamentals neither they took into account 12 years of competitive CS, its like they wanted to build a FFA 20vs20 game.
On the other hand CSP has most of the 1.6 essentials and it can only get better since it focuses on what CS essentially is, a 5vs5 team game.
2012-09-01 00:47:34
No one needs to be paid to know that csp is dead and it's a fail game.
2012-08-31 23:41:18
NEW WORLD ORDER
2012-09-04 03:50:48
X.
pected.
pected.
2012-08-31 23:32:54
CSP never was alive.
2012-08-31 23:43:48
My reaction to his text:
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!
The end.
EDIT:
"There is nothing professional about ProMod, and it�s time that everybody saw it for what it truly is. In the short-term future of Counter-Strike, CSP will never be a viable alternative to Global Offensive, nor will it ever command the corporate sponsorship and competitive attention that it has so often promised in the past. Over the last seven years, ProMod�s developers have established themselves as one of the most amateurish, disorganised and dishonest divisions within our community, and their game has become a joke. This month, as CS:GO successfully hit its release date and was immediately picked up by both ESWC and DreamHack for competitive play, the ProMod team responded by delaying their 1.09 release indefinitely. Case in point."
LOOOOOL ESEA after this peace of crap called a text just made to bring down ProMod and throw GO into the shinning spot has our community savior lost all the credibility to me!
And GO also failed their release date and beta testing phases and they had teams working 8 HOURS A DAY and people getting paid to do this and pro mod team doesn't get a lose dime from this and work on free time!
Bunch of idiots!
Post edited 2012-09-01 00:24:03
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!
The end.
EDIT:
"There is nothing professional about ProMod, and it�s time that everybody saw it for what it truly is. In the short-term future of Counter-Strike, CSP will never be a viable alternative to Global Offensive, nor will it ever command the corporate sponsorship and competitive attention that it has so often promised in the past. Over the last seven years, ProMod�s developers have established themselves as one of the most amateurish, disorganised and dishonest divisions within our community, and their game has become a joke. This month, as CS:GO successfully hit its release date and was immediately picked up by both ESWC and DreamHack for competitive play, the ProMod team responded by delaying their 1.09 release indefinitely. Case in point."
LOOOOOL ESEA after this peace of crap called a text just made to bring down ProMod and throw GO into the shinning spot has our community savior lost all the credibility to me!
And GO also failed their release date and beta testing phases and they had teams working 8 HOURS A DAY and people getting paid to do this and pro mod team doesn't get a lose dime from this and work on free time!
Bunch of idiots!
Post edited 2012-09-01 00:24:03
2012-09-01 00:17:44
Oh look, a CSS player and CSP hater made this topic...
First of all, CSP isn't dead. This article is written by Jack Westerman, the most butthurt source*** in the whole internet. Look what he usually writes:
http://news.esea.net/index.php?s=news&d=commen..
Let's look at his newest piece of shit:
"At the end of 2005, Counter-Strike was dying. Top players were retiring ......"
That's completely bullshit. In 2005 nobody thought CS would be dying. Some players retired, new stars were born. The CPL was corrupt and ran of, other great tournaments were born. In fact: 2005 was in the middle of CS prime time. I can't remember anyone talking about CS's death at this time. What Westerman obviously didn't understand: CSPromod's motivation wasn't saving CS from its death, it was the answer on a obvious problem: The owner of CS (Valve) never gave a shit about esports and that was hindering CS to get even bigger in the esport-business. People already recognized this problem long before 2005. In fact they were already talking about a Promod in 2003 (in the comments in this article from 2003 you will find people asking for a promod made by arQon: http://www.gotfrag.com/portal/story/5428/ ).
The thing is: The release of CSS in 2005 made sure once for all that Valve won't take care on CS's future in terms of esports. People were disappointed about CSS because they wished CSS to be a legit successor of CS 1.6 which would bring a bright future for CS. And that's why people wished a Promod to kick in.
"Source was a disaster for the community - a game so riddled with bugs, so ruined by broken physics, and with maps so full of useless garbage that it was completely and utterly unplayable. Valve had cruelly snubbed the customers who helped to build its name, and now seemed more interested in making money than a good computer game."
Yes, that's right Mr. Westerman. But how comes you completely changed your opinion in the past years although CSS is - !compared to 1.6! - still bullshit and even the newest sequel CS:GO is ruined by "broken" physics and maps full of useless garbage? I mean the only reason why it's even possible to play CSS competitively nowadays is zBlock, the game itself is still terrible for competition.
"...creating a shining new generation of GoldSrc."
Not sure if he even knows what "GoldSrc" stands for...
"Counter-Strike: Source turned out to be anything but a disappointment, and would go on to cultivate a strong competitive community of its own "
This game never managed to become a top esport-titel while his older, outdated and ugly looking brother was in esports premier league for more than 12 years. So yes, CSS turned out to be a disappointment.
ps: I don't say CSS is a bad game, it's just not a worthy successor of CS 1.6.
"The picture that the mod's founders had painted back in 2005 was delusional, fuelled by pure egotism and an irrational hatred of Source."
These words are written by a guy who keeps writing "CS 1.6 is dead" articles since years. Actually his articles are fuelled by pure egotism and an irrational hatred of CS 1.6.
"...and the Counter-Strike community had never needed CSProMod at all."
This guy keeps saying "we need to reunite the the two CS communities!" when it comes to CS:GO but suddenly there never was a need for CSP even though CSP could have reunite the two communities....
"But it wasn't just the premise of ProMod that was flawed; they also boasted one of the most lethargic and incompetent development teams that many of us have ever known."
Yeah I'm sure he knows a shitload of free working development teams....
"each and every CSP beta release has been a monumental disappointment, providing some of the most laughably flawed gameplay experiences in the entire gaming industry."
What a lie. With 1.07 the majority of the German CS community turned positive towards CSP. Can't say this about CSS, which is the game to be named when it comes to " laughably flawed gameplay experiences".
"After allegedly investing nine months of work in their very first release, players who downloaded version 1.0 of CSProMod were greeted by bugged movement physics, broken grenades, porous maps, an unwatchable death cam, and spawn points that were often buried waist-deep in the ground. "
What the fuck...was he expecting a perfect finished game after nine months, made by a free working development team?!?
"The game was a complete train wreck, and later versions would do little to mitigate the disaster."
This statement just proves he actually never played any CSP version. I mean the first version and 1.08 are completely different games. CSP improved A LOT over the years. He must be blind or the most biased person on earth.
"As far as they were concerned, CSProMod was a free game, which meant we should be grateful for whatever they published, regardless of how bad it was. They didn't owe the community anything..."
Yes of course. I can't see why the developers would owe the community anything...
"and actually defended their first release as a strong "proof of concept", when they should have been listening to the universal criticism and using it to focus development."
How comes he thinks the devs didn't listen to the criticism?!? Of course they did.
The fail was to make such an early version public and they realized this afterwards.
"The fact that Valve produced their game in just over a year..."
Ahahah does he really believe CS:GO was produced in "just over a year"?!? The game was in production for at least 2.5-3 years. They just opened the Beta for 1 year.
"... incorporating community feedback "
Yeah that's why there are still tracers, fog, a sluggish movement, a buy-menu made for consoles, a fucked up money-system,....
" ...and it'd be better if we never mentioned it again."
Yeah, but let's write a CSP related article full of nonsense first, so everyone knows how retarded we are....
Post edited 2012-09-01 00:36:16
First of all, CSP isn't dead. This article is written by Jack Westerman, the most butthurt source*** in the whole internet. Look what he usually writes:
http://news.esea.net/index.php?s=news&d=commen..
Let's look at his newest piece of shit:
"At the end of 2005, Counter-Strike was dying. Top players were retiring ......"
That's completely bullshit. In 2005 nobody thought CS would be dying. Some players retired, new stars were born. The CPL was corrupt and ran of, other great tournaments were born. In fact: 2005 was in the middle of CS prime time. I can't remember anyone talking about CS's death at this time. What Westerman obviously didn't understand: CSPromod's motivation wasn't saving CS from its death, it was the answer on a obvious problem: The owner of CS (Valve) never gave a shit about esports and that was hindering CS to get even bigger in the esport-business. People already recognized this problem long before 2005. In fact they were already talking about a Promod in 2003 (in the comments in this article from 2003 you will find people asking for a promod made by arQon: http://www.gotfrag.com/portal/story/5428/ ).
The thing is: The release of CSS in 2005 made sure once for all that Valve won't take care on CS's future in terms of esports. People were disappointed about CSS because they wished CSS to be a legit successor of CS 1.6 which would bring a bright future for CS. And that's why people wished a Promod to kick in.
"Source was a disaster for the community - a game so riddled with bugs, so ruined by broken physics, and with maps so full of useless garbage that it was completely and utterly unplayable. Valve had cruelly snubbed the customers who helped to build its name, and now seemed more interested in making money than a good computer game."
Yes, that's right Mr. Westerman. But how comes you completely changed your opinion in the past years although CSS is - !compared to 1.6! - still bullshit and even the newest sequel CS:GO is ruined by "broken" physics and maps full of useless garbage? I mean the only reason why it's even possible to play CSS competitively nowadays is zBlock, the game itself is still terrible for competition.
"...creating a shining new generation of GoldSrc."
Not sure if he even knows what "GoldSrc" stands for...
"Counter-Strike: Source turned out to be anything but a disappointment, and would go on to cultivate a strong competitive community of its own "
This game never managed to become a top esport-titel while his older, outdated and ugly looking brother was in esports premier league for more than 12 years. So yes, CSS turned out to be a disappointment.
ps: I don't say CSS is a bad game, it's just not a worthy successor of CS 1.6.
"The picture that the mod's founders had painted back in 2005 was delusional, fuelled by pure egotism and an irrational hatred of Source."
These words are written by a guy who keeps writing "CS 1.6 is dead" articles since years. Actually his articles are fuelled by pure egotism and an irrational hatred of CS 1.6.
"...and the Counter-Strike community had never needed CSProMod at all."
This guy keeps saying "we need to reunite the the two CS communities!" when it comes to CS:GO but suddenly there never was a need for CSP even though CSP could have reunite the two communities....
"But it wasn't just the premise of ProMod that was flawed; they also boasted one of the most lethargic and incompetent development teams that many of us have ever known."
Yeah I'm sure he knows a shitload of free working development teams....
"each and every CSP beta release has been a monumental disappointment, providing some of the most laughably flawed gameplay experiences in the entire gaming industry."
What a lie. With 1.07 the majority of the German CS community turned positive towards CSP. Can't say this about CSS, which is the game to be named when it comes to " laughably flawed gameplay experiences".
"After allegedly investing nine months of work in their very first release, players who downloaded version 1.0 of CSProMod were greeted by bugged movement physics, broken grenades, porous maps, an unwatchable death cam, and spawn points that were often buried waist-deep in the ground. "
What the fuck...was he expecting a perfect finished game after nine months, made by a free working development team?!?
"The game was a complete train wreck, and later versions would do little to mitigate the disaster."
This statement just proves he actually never played any CSP version. I mean the first version and 1.08 are completely different games. CSP improved A LOT over the years. He must be blind or the most biased person on earth.
"As far as they were concerned, CSProMod was a free game, which meant we should be grateful for whatever they published, regardless of how bad it was. They didn't owe the community anything..."
Yes of course. I can't see why the developers would owe the community anything...
"and actually defended their first release as a strong "proof of concept", when they should have been listening to the universal criticism and using it to focus development."
How comes he thinks the devs didn't listen to the criticism?!? Of course they did.
The fail was to make such an early version public and they realized this afterwards.
"The fact that Valve produced their game in just over a year..."
Ahahah does he really believe CS:GO was produced in "just over a year"?!? The game was in production for at least 2.5-3 years. They just opened the Beta for 1 year.
"... incorporating community feedback "
Yeah that's why there are still tracers, fog, a sluggish movement, a buy-menu made for consoles, a fucked up money-system,....
" ...and it'd be better if we never mentioned it again."
Yeah, but let's write a CSP related article full of nonsense first, so everyone knows how retarded we are....
Post edited 2012-09-01 00:36:16
2012-09-01 00:28:18
Great post Mayor!
Post edited 2012-09-01 00:32:39
Post edited 2012-09-01 00:32:39
2012-09-01 00:32:04
ESEA, hire this guy to write articles about the CS-scene instead. This man knows his stuff.
2012-09-01 11:16:33
csp sucks lol
2012-09-01 00:28:28
cs 1.6 deaded cs source deaded cs promod deaded cs global offensive deaded you deaded...all deading just siiiic
2012-09-01 00:44:22
We'll be dead when we say so, not by some gimp who thinks they know what they're talking about.
2012-09-01 01:12:15
westerman is a huge douche who claims his opinion should be everyone else's. check out his article on 1.6 http://news.esea.net/index.php?s=news&d=commen..
A summary of it is he got bored of 1.6 and stopped playing it, so everyone else should also
A summary of it is he got bored of 1.6 and stopped playing it, so everyone else should also
2012-09-01 01:24:36
I'm not saying CSPROMOD will be the next big thing but Westerman is a dumbass
2012-09-01 01:32:15
I stop reading when i saw "At the end of 2005, Counter-Strike was dying"
I mean come on, i only start to play in 2003 for me 2006-9 even 10 were the highlight of cs1.6 in those years we discover the most successful players of cs1.6
neo f0rest old mTw and much more
Just from watching the graph of steam i can say cs:go will not be the replacement of cs1.6
I really hope CSP will takeover and the community of cs1.6 and even cs:go and cs:s will adopt him
after all CSP = WE <3 CS! (AND NOT NEW GAME!)
Post edited 2012-09-01 01:50:50
I mean come on, i only start to play in 2003 for me 2006-9 even 10 were the highlight of cs1.6 in those years we discover the most successful players of cs1.6
neo f0rest old mTw and much more
Just from watching the graph of steam i can say cs:go will not be the replacement of cs1.6
I really hope CSP will takeover and the community of cs1.6 and even cs:go and cs:s will adopt him
after all CSP = WE <3 CS! (AND NOT NEW GAME!)
Post edited 2012-09-01 01:50:50
2012-09-01 01:50:21
He's trying to tell us the CSP devs would have lied to us in 2005 by telling us CS would be dying.
But that's completely bullshit and the funny thing his: He's actually one of the persons who's telling people since 2008 CS 1.6 would be dying hence people should switch to CSS.
But that's completely bullshit and the funny thing his: He's actually one of the persons who's telling people since 2008 CS 1.6 would be dying hence people should switch to CSS.
2012-09-01 01:58:31
don't worry guys lurppis came to the rescue and absolutely destroyed Westerman. Earlier in the thread Westerman said this:
"#94 As soon as somebody comments with a mature counterpoint, then I'll respond maturely.
Otherwise, why would I bother talking to people who can't even tell me to "fuk" myself properly? Haha."
he still hasn't responded to lurppis' multiple comments. I wouldn't either, because there was just too much logic and CS knowledge thrown at him.
"#94 As soon as somebody comments with a mature counterpoint, then I'll respond maturely.
Otherwise, why would I bother talking to people who can't even tell me to "fuk" myself properly? Haha."
he still hasn't responded to lurppis' multiple comments. I wouldn't either, because there was just too much logic and CS knowledge thrown at him.
2012-09-01 01:58:58
just read all what lurppis said and I had an awesome time :D
2012-09-01 03:15:23
Lurpiss still hasn't responded to Nya :((
2012-09-01 09:40:09
no one wants to respond to nya anymore. The only thing he does on ESEA is post and argue for why CSGO can be the next 1.6, or why CSGO takes as much skill as 1.6. He either creates threads on it or jumps in on a topic with a fucking essay, and people have realized he's either a troll or really has no fucking life.
edit: he's also really bad at every Counter-Strike version so no one gives a fucking about his opinion lol.
Post edited 2012-09-04 03:40:14
edit: he's also really bad at every Counter-Strike version so no one gives a fucking about his opinion lol.
Post edited 2012-09-04 03:40:14
2012-09-04 03:39:38
that guys is retarded but csp wont be alive
2012-09-01 03:14:20
+1
2012-09-01 17:16:18
If CSP got really big, i'm sure Valve can just modify some code to break it instantly... that's the problem with 3rd party mods using toolkits you don't own.
2012-09-01 03:19:08
Sure they could, but Valve has always been big on allowing and supporting 3rd party mods, that's why they offer so many resources for developing with the SDK. I don't think Valve would have the balls to do that anyways in fear of how the community might react.
2012-09-01 04:06:37
but it won't happen, and you think that valve give a shit to a game that is a copy of 1.6 with ps2 graphics?
2012-09-01 04:17:44
CSP is going standalone AFAIK.
2012-09-01 11:18:52
Ah. These threads are always entertaining.
Post edited 2012-09-01 04:29:50
Post edited 2012-09-01 04:29:50
2012-09-01 04:27:05
Jack Westerman is unbiased, CSP it's not even close to be dead, it's on the same low speed of developement as ever.
* the answer of #7 here says it all:
http://cspromod.com/community/threads/5142-ESEA-CS..
Post edited 2012-09-01 04:33:48
* the answer of #7 here says it all:
http://cspromod.com/community/threads/5142-ESEA-CS..
Post edited 2012-09-01 04:33:48
2012-09-01 04:30:01
Deaded? Who comes up with those words?? Btw, I think CSP is going to be great :)
2012-09-01 08:38:01
I've learnd 2 new words from HLTV.org
1. deaded
2. deading
1. deaded
2. deading
2012-09-01 17:03:24
I don't know who Jack Westerman is, but he's absolutely right. Sorry, if the truth hurts and you've sunk countless hours to a project that was doomed to fail because of the lack of professionalism. If you start a project, dedicate your heart and soul to it. 6 years to release a remake of a game is pathetic. Moviemakers, for example, don't get paid and they pour dozens of hours when making a movie. I know CS Promod is a bigger project, but if the passion exists, there's no way in hell it should take so much time.
I dreamed a world with a top-notch 1.6 version with amazing graphics, and I start dreaming 6 years ago, but that's enough.
I dreamed a world with a top-notch 1.6 version with amazing graphics, and I start dreaming 6 years ago, but that's enough.
2012-09-01 10:28:37
i think we all know Promod won't get picked up by any organization ...as longas there is another CS title with better graphics ...that already has a huge playerbase....its just how the world works ....
2012-09-01 10:42:51
son , you must be retarded
do you really think that csgo is better than csp just cause it has better graphics? while they are nearly the same? doesn't matter if it isn't picked by organizations , it must be picked up by player cause they like the gameplay(which is more like 1.6 and not like shitty csgo) , and if players pick it = community = sponsors/organizations = big game. just needs time. gtfo
do you really think that csgo is better than csp just cause it has better graphics? while they are nearly the same? doesn't matter if it isn't picked by organizations , it must be picked up by player cause they like the gameplay(which is more like 1.6 and not like shitty csgo) , and if players pick it = community = sponsors/organizations = big game. just needs time. gtfo
2012-09-04 04:15:50
I don't get people like this. Is he mad or something or just switched to CS:GO and think he has some kind of power right know, because there was news on hltv.org about him?
btw. Who is this guy?
btw. Who is this guy?
2012-09-01 11:05:35
(Former) Source player. Now that you know that read through it again along with his '1.6 is dead' article ( http://news.esea.net/index.php?s=news&d=commen.. ), and you can see how much that shades his perspective.
--cs dead in 2005? oh hey that's the first full year source came out
--cs 1.6 is boring? he literally says this in the article i linked. he quit 1.6 and plays source, so clearly to him it is, but not everyone did, yet he thinks his opinion on this is fact
--promod dumb? oh hey it happens to be a 1.6 clone instead of source
etc etc
Actually being a former css player is not the only thing going into his perspective. Perhaps the biggest thing is he jumps to the latest game no matter how it plays. He uses the same args against source and promod now that go is out as he did against 1.6 in favor of source. To him being new is the SOLE reason a game is competitive.
This should tell you all you need to know: " I guess it all depends on whether you actually want to compete, or just play the game for fun". By that line, he was referring to playing GO as wanting to compete and playing 1.6 as playing for fun.
Post edited 2012-09-01 15:36:35
--cs dead in 2005? oh hey that's the first full year source came out
--cs 1.6 is boring? he literally says this in the article i linked. he quit 1.6 and plays source, so clearly to him it is, but not everyone did, yet he thinks his opinion on this is fact
--promod dumb? oh hey it happens to be a 1.6 clone instead of source
etc etc
Actually being a former css player is not the only thing going into his perspective. Perhaps the biggest thing is he jumps to the latest game no matter how it plays. He uses the same args against source and promod now that go is out as he did against 1.6 in favor of source. To him being new is the SOLE reason a game is competitive.
This should tell you all you need to know: " I guess it all depends on whether you actually want to compete, or just play the game for fun". By that line, he was referring to playing GO as wanting to compete and playing 1.6 as playing for fun.
Post edited 2012-09-01 15:36:35
2012-09-01 15:33:37
i love how everyone loves promod now when cs go was released, like before everyone was telling "1.6 forever promod suck!!!", now it's one step forward, "promod forever, csgo sucks1!!!!". just lmaoo
2012-09-01 11:25:52
Could it possibly be because 1.09 DM was A LOT better then any other version of CSP ever? Noooo, ofcourse it was because of CS:GO....
2012-09-01 11:39:17
if you belive that promod would ever be allowed to tournament scene, no offense.. but you are silly.
2012-09-01 11:49:55
If you believe that nothing would happen if every competitive 1.6 player would choose CSP instead of CS:GO, then you're silly.
2012-09-01 12:09:16
players follow money man, promod has no big company behind them, thats why valve, blizzard, riot are so succesful. Many small companies tried but people eventuallly loose intrest. Bloodline champions is wonderful example.
2012-09-01 13:37:53
How much money are you preparing yourself to make playing GO? Good luck with your successful gaming career.
2012-09-01 15:35:47
lol
2012-09-01 15:45:52
Good luck with your successful gaming career.
2012-09-01 17:06:18
you know i was talking about so called "pros", nvm anyway.
2012-09-01 18:47:25
It's okay, I just trolling around =D
kidding
Post edited 2012-09-01 22:41:58
kidding
Post edited 2012-09-01 22:41:58
2012-09-01 22:41:35
what was the big company behind the original Counter-Strike mod in the early 2000 / late 1999
2012-09-01 17:45:16
13 years ago people didn't play for money in first place, games used to be more challangable and community was much better. if you have at least 20 years ago you will understand. now it's all about money.
2012-09-01 18:46:39
well then what was the big company behind cs before it was released by valve and yet played in major tournaments like early 2003 or 2002?
2012-09-01 19:29:56
there wasn't any, as I wrote earlier it was much different back then, they had big community done and they organized tournaments for it, half of the job done. But if you wonder what sense my accusation of money driving gaming industry just ask yourself why wcg replaced LoL with DoTA2 if lol tournaments have such massive following. Make your point if u want discuss more.
2012-09-01 19:53:10
People that can't get those money don't care about the money. Also, the money will in the end, end up where the big playerbase is.
2012-09-01 19:24:17
you do realise how many people will switch to cs go only becouse f0rest and gtr went for it? heaton and coo know what they are doing, all this nip revive is one huge marketing. dunno who will win, fanbase of 1.6 that will outnumber csgo anyway or huge marketing machine made for csgo. life shows money always win, soo..
2012-09-01 19:56:58
"you do realise how many people will switch to cs go only becouse f0rest and gtr went for it?"
yeah I can see that ^____^
http://store.steampowered.com/stats/
yeah I can see that ^____^
http://store.steampowered.com/stats/
2012-09-01 19:59:38
son , you must be retarded
doesn't matter if it isn't picked by organizations , it must be picked up by player cause they like the gameplay(which is more like 1.6 and not like shitty csgo) , and if players pick it = community = sponsors/organizations = big game. just needs time. gtfo
doesn't matter if it isn't picked by organizations , it must be picked up by player cause they like the gameplay(which is more like 1.6 and not like shitty csgo) , and if players pick it = community = sponsors/organizations = big game. just needs time. gtfo
2012-09-04 04:16:52
Nice comments: 1# :[
2# second!
2# second!
2012-09-01 12:37:06
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2012-09-01 12:39:52
deaded bro, cool story!
2012-09-01 14:45:33
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2012-09-01 17:12:10
from the past: Grand Prix 3 (formula1 game) was developed over a period of 13 years and it became a huge success at the time.
2012-09-01 17:43:53
he gets paid by esea to talk shit about promod i bet if they asked him to write an article on how good shit tastes he would
2012-09-01 19:22:29
LOL so hard =D
2012-09-01 22:44:31
valve pays.. esea says..
2012-09-01 20:07:41
promod is not dead!
this guy think its dead!
Check my new blog! http://l33t-cs.blogspot.de/
I try to promote #CSP
this guy think its dead!
Check my new blog! http://l33t-cs.blogspot.de/
I try to promote #CSP
2012-09-01 21:22:23
keep it up mate =)
2012-09-01 22:44:48
yeah! :D
2012-09-01 22:57:00
Oh god. I've just returned from playing some CSS gathers (haven't touched CSS for years). That games is so fucking terrible I immediately understood why people already wished a Promod back then. Seriously, how can anyone who tried CS 1.6 at least once and who isn't totally brain-fucked play CSS? That's something I simply can't understand.
CSP definitely deserves more respect. The game is so much better than every other multiplayer on the source engine.
Post edited 2012-09-04 04:24:28
CSP definitely deserves more respect. The game is so much better than every other multiplayer on the source engine.
Post edited 2012-09-04 04:24:28
2012-09-04 04:19:49
hi i'm back from my ban.
just came here (ready to get banned again) to say gtfo to csgo players and csp haters which don't have a clue about what this game really is
just came here (ready to get banned again) to say gtfo to csgo players and csp haters which don't have a clue about what this game really is
2012-09-04 04:21:57
why did you get banned ? D:
2012-09-04 04:31:38
Talked shit about CSGO I guess
2012-09-04 04:33:15
exactly , and bashing eswc's organizers because instead of adding 1.6 to the tournament they add a female csgo tourney instead :D :'(
2012-09-04 04:37:29
you shouldn't get banned because of that :p
2012-09-04 04:37:57
i was kinda hard on that :D
2012-09-04 04:50:18
Shame on you!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2012-09-04 04:53:24
Just quoting lurppis's first and memorable post on reply section for that news on the ESEA forums. Here you go :
i'm not sure if you're writing this garbage to get more pageviews or comments (in case craig pays you based off those) or if you are simply retarded. let's go over some of the more memorable points you made.
"*entire first paragraph*"
- over dramatize much? cs was dying? players were retiring? teams were folding? why don't you give me 5 examples of top players who retired or five real top teams who died at the end of 2005?
"In turn, Counter-Strike: Source turned out to be anything but a disappointment, and would go on to cultivate a strong competitive community of its own as the engine was steadily refined."
- only a moronic british source kid (and i say british because you have one of the scenes who switched to source after realizing no one could cut it in 1.6) would think source turned out to be anything but a disappointment, which is exactly what it always was.
"The fact that Valve produced their game in just over a year, incorporating community feedback and publishing patches every week throughout the beta, is naturally of no significance."
- valve flew css players to seattle in august to play a working game, over a year ago. you think they created the game up until then in a few weeks? obviously it's been longer
"CSProMod has taken seven years, treated its fan base with contempt the entire time and averaged just one update every 11 months, yet they still see themselves as the more hopeful of the two games."
- csp is a much better game out of the two, which is the entire point. it is made for competition, and the devs make all the changes needed for competition, unlike csgo. whether it's more hopeful or not (given valve's massive budget and csp's lack thereof) is another story, which afaik csp team has not touched on.
"CSP will never be a viable alternative to Global Offensive, nor will it ever command the corporate sponsorship and competitive attention that it has so often promised in the past."
- considering cs:go hasn't even become a legitimate main fps title yet, those are some big words seeing as it would take almost nothing for csp to surpass cs:go as it stands right now. if two tournaments picked up csp, it would be at the level of cs:go - which has not surpassed cs 1.6's competitive level of six months ago, or even today in the casual market.
"Over the last seven years, ProMod’s developers have established themselves as one of the most amateurish, disorganised and dishonest divisions within our community, and their game has become a joke."
- surely you will claim that because you do not like the project, the fact is still that they have made a better game than valve has ever created (remember, cs 1.6 was not made by valve) and they've done it for free.
"This month, as CS:GO successfully hit its release date and was immediately picked up by both ESWC and DreamHack for competitive play, the ProMod team responded by delaying their 1.09 release indefinitely."
- cs:go was picked up by dreamhack winter (while dreamhack events in valencia and bucharest both still feature cs 1.6) and eswc only has a minor side tournament (as of today) for cs:go. csp was not delayed indefinitely, but sure, why don't you keep lying to the whole esea community? it was delayed so it can get some of the limelight, which otherwise would have been eaten up by cs:go due to valve's massive marketing budget, as well.
"At this stage, CSProMod is little more than an annoying distraction – something which still clamours desperately for our attention despite having lost credibility years ago. It is forever destined to be a niche within a niche, with only the most hidebound players ever showing the slightest bit of interest, and it'd be better if we never mentioned it again."
- hidebound? how about players who actually enjoy the best fps game ever created, and want to see it continue in another form (csp). it's an annoying distraction to you, clearly, but the fact is that csp is a better game, and to many gamers it is not a distraction.
i still can't believe this kind of a moron gets to post articles on esea. of course he was also 14-15 in 2005 but was still a full blown expert on the cs community, and has been since then. the internet is an amazing place.
i'm not sure if you're writing this garbage to get more pageviews or comments (in case craig pays you based off those) or if you are simply retarded. let's go over some of the more memorable points you made.
"*entire first paragraph*"
- over dramatize much? cs was dying? players were retiring? teams were folding? why don't you give me 5 examples of top players who retired or five real top teams who died at the end of 2005?
"In turn, Counter-Strike: Source turned out to be anything but a disappointment, and would go on to cultivate a strong competitive community of its own as the engine was steadily refined."
- only a moronic british source kid (and i say british because you have one of the scenes who switched to source after realizing no one could cut it in 1.6) would think source turned out to be anything but a disappointment, which is exactly what it always was.
"The fact that Valve produced their game in just over a year, incorporating community feedback and publishing patches every week throughout the beta, is naturally of no significance."
- valve flew css players to seattle in august to play a working game, over a year ago. you think they created the game up until then in a few weeks? obviously it's been longer
"CSProMod has taken seven years, treated its fan base with contempt the entire time and averaged just one update every 11 months, yet they still see themselves as the more hopeful of the two games."
- csp is a much better game out of the two, which is the entire point. it is made for competition, and the devs make all the changes needed for competition, unlike csgo. whether it's more hopeful or not (given valve's massive budget and csp's lack thereof) is another story, which afaik csp team has not touched on.
"CSP will never be a viable alternative to Global Offensive, nor will it ever command the corporate sponsorship and competitive attention that it has so often promised in the past."
- considering cs:go hasn't even become a legitimate main fps title yet, those are some big words seeing as it would take almost nothing for csp to surpass cs:go as it stands right now. if two tournaments picked up csp, it would be at the level of cs:go - which has not surpassed cs 1.6's competitive level of six months ago, or even today in the casual market.
"Over the last seven years, ProMod’s developers have established themselves as one of the most amateurish, disorganised and dishonest divisions within our community, and their game has become a joke."
- surely you will claim that because you do not like the project, the fact is still that they have made a better game than valve has ever created (remember, cs 1.6 was not made by valve) and they've done it for free.
"This month, as CS:GO successfully hit its release date and was immediately picked up by both ESWC and DreamHack for competitive play, the ProMod team responded by delaying their 1.09 release indefinitely."
- cs:go was picked up by dreamhack winter (while dreamhack events in valencia and bucharest both still feature cs 1.6) and eswc only has a minor side tournament (as of today) for cs:go. csp was not delayed indefinitely, but sure, why don't you keep lying to the whole esea community? it was delayed so it can get some of the limelight, which otherwise would have been eaten up by cs:go due to valve's massive marketing budget, as well.
"At this stage, CSProMod is little more than an annoying distraction – something which still clamours desperately for our attention despite having lost credibility years ago. It is forever destined to be a niche within a niche, with only the most hidebound players ever showing the slightest bit of interest, and it'd be better if we never mentioned it again."
- hidebound? how about players who actually enjoy the best fps game ever created, and want to see it continue in another form (csp). it's an annoying distraction to you, clearly, but the fact is that csp is a better game, and to many gamers it is not a distraction.
i still can't believe this kind of a moron gets to post articles on esea. of course he was also 14-15 in 2005 but was still a full blown expert on the cs community, and has been since then. the internet is an amazing place.
2012-09-04 04:52:06
tl;dr please
2012-09-04 04:55:24
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