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Witsel and Hulk in Zenit
hulk 60M!
but porto just will get 40milions because they only have 85% of his pass!
but porto just will get 40milions because they only have 85% of his pass!
2012-09-03 22:10:20
and cost 22M to porto
2012-09-03 22:13:50
overprized players.
2012-09-03 22:13:04
I don't think so, both are AWESOME!!!! Portuguese league is gonna be afected and Russion League will improve. 2 bad this great players should be in England/Spain/Italy or even France or Germany, but seriously Russia?? They deserve much more.
But of them went to a lower team, even thought Zenit eliminated Porto in CL.
But of them went to a lower team, even thought Zenit eliminated Porto in CL.
2012-09-03 23:38:39
Russian league made big steps past few years,Zenit is still most powerfull team in Russia beside CSKA,Lokomotiv,Anzhi,Rubin,Dynamo maybe i forgot some teams but anyway i enjoy watching their matches
2012-09-03 23:51:05
I know it's balanced, they're almost at the same level, but they're low, both Porto and Benfica can deafeat anyone of them, atleast they could. lol
2012-09-04 00:07:35
last 10 years Benfica often lose when play with Russian teams, just like Sporting did... imo Zenit, CSKA >benfica, Benfica>=Spartak, Rubin. only Porto better than Russian teams, but now without Hulk and Falcao Zenit > Porto probably
2012-09-04 14:31:42
lol? benfica won vs zenit last season and will destroy spartak this season as well. since benfica has a good team (2009/2010) benfica havent lost with a russian team
2012-09-04 15:33:36
cuz since 2009/2010 they played only 1 time :X
2012-09-04 16:33:47
right, benfica is winning vs teams like milan, arsenal, real madrid, liverpool, drawing with MU, etc etc and would lose to "zenit" rofl.
2012-09-04 16:36:34
lol what an example!!! I can say that Rubin Kazan have better results than benfica -vs- Barcelona, and what? actually zenit won against MU too and not on groupstage, they won them at Europe supercup, but if I'm not mistaken it was 6 years ago, so yeah thats not an argument T_T but I'm sure Zenit > Benfica anywa (not a fan of Zenit). maybe I'm talking this cuz Zenit is Russian team who knows, but dude you will stay on our opinion, and I'll stay at mine :) don't be mad, peace!
2012-09-04 18:40:18
I would say porto is stronger too, but now with these changes (porto - witsel and zenit +hulk/witsel) it is probably different
2012-09-04 00:16:09
Now Zenit is much stronger, the thing is the Russian League only allows 5 foreign in the initial 11. So they still got to have some good 6 russians.
2012-09-04 00:20:59
You wrong. Our 2012/2013 rules are allow 7 foreign players.
2012-09-04 14:54:24
Oh, that's better now, but still...
2012-09-04 18:53:04
Zenit only team that have good Russians on their line up :) they have like 6-7 players of National team Russia, so you know, it would be interisting to see them at Champions League now :)
2012-09-04 18:42:08
Meh, russian players aren't that good.
Can you tell me Zenit's normal 11? I mean before Hulk and Witsel came.
Can you tell me Zenit's normal 11? I mean before Hulk and Witsel came.
2012-09-04 19:06:31
something like this 4-5-1: Goalkeeper: Malafeev; Defenders from right to left: Anukov, Hubocan, Lomberts, Crisito; Midfilders from right to left: Bystrov, Shirokov, Denisov, Zyryanov, Danny(but he was injured, don't know how is he now). Forward: Kerzhakov. not a fan of Zenit, but I'm belive something like this :) they have pretty good Russians central midfilders: Semak, Zyryanov, Denisov, Shirokov. All of them can play on start 11 :) now will be interisting how Spaletti gonna play, I mean with which tactic, and with who of them:)
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2012-09-04 19:21:09
where's arshavin nowadays?
still arsenal or?
still arsenal or?
2012-09-04 21:40:57
In France? French league sucks, even the Portuguese league is better than french! PORTO>FRENCH (call me fanboy, but 90% of football fans will agree with me)
2012-09-04 23:19:35
Maybe the portuguese ones. lol
Since when is the portuguese better than French? You'll se Marítimo get kicked by Bordeaux that are on the same level in their leagues. Plus Ligue 1 is much more interesting and random.
Since when is the portuguese better than French? You'll se Marítimo get kicked by Bordeaux that are on the same level in their leagues. Plus Ligue 1 is much more interesting and random.
2012-09-04 23:22:38
you say that is more interesting? every clubs watch portuguese league because we teach players how to become stars, last year the championship was only decided in the last 2 matches.. I'm a FC Porto fan but watch Braga playing and you'll see what is interesting.
Do you wanna compare the monetary facilities of Maritimo and Bordeaux? Still, we fight!
Do you wanna compare the monetary facilities of Maritimo and Bordeaux? Still, we fight!
2012-09-04 23:56:38
Ofcourse Bordeaux have more money, that's why it's more competitive and that means it's more interesting. Why do you think Premier League is the most competitive in the world?
2012-09-05 12:58:01
Olympique was as good as porto up until a few years ago, and now psg is probably as good too, maybe even better
2012-09-05 18:20:27
HAHAHAHA german
2012-09-04 16:14:47
what does my comment have to do with my nationality?
2012-09-04 19:17:46
Probably because Bayern Munchen spent 40M on Javi Martínez.
2012-09-04 19:31:56
thats right.
but you must know 1 thing: bayern is top5 team in europe since years and their economy is great and becomes better every year. they have no debts like REAL or Barca.
but you must know 1 thing: bayern is top5 team in europe since years and their economy is great and becomes better every year. they have no debts like REAL or Barca.
2012-09-04 22:09:17
I know that. I didn't stated otherwise. German clubs are well financially, they just don't spent that much money so often like other european teams.
By the way, his Javi Martínez playing as a central defender or a defensive midfielder? Is he gonna take Gustavo's place?
By the way, his Javi Martínez playing as a central defender or a defensive midfielder? Is he gonna take Gustavo's place?
2012-09-04 22:11:27
yeah, german teams (at least the good ones like dortmund, bayern, schalke etc.) know how to keep their finances in stable level.
martinez is central midfielder (in germany we call this "position 6"). martinez will play next to schweinsteiger and take gustavo's place... although gustavo played a great season.
very sad for him.
i think bayern paid to much for him. spanish teams sell their stars for too much money, it's almost criminal :D
martinez is central midfielder (in germany we call this "position 6"). martinez will play next to schweinsteiger and take gustavo's place... although gustavo played a great season.
very sad for him.
i think bayern paid to much for him. spanish teams sell their stars for too much money, it's almost criminal :D
2012-09-04 22:21:33
I know it's calle 6. Here too. :D
I think Javi Martínez is kinda overrated, Gustavo is awesome. I asked that because JM can play as a central defender.
Athletic knew how to negociate because no one buys a 6 for 40M.
I think Javi Martínez is kinda overrated, Gustavo is awesome. I asked that because JM can play as a central defender.
Athletic knew how to negociate because no one buys a 6 for 40M.
2012-09-04 22:47:20
i havent seen so much games from JM yet.
schweinsteiger and gustavo are two great midfielders and they can play great together. thats why i dont know why bayern bought JM.
bayern has a very good team and also good backup players.
schweinsteiger and gustavo are two great midfielders and they can play great together. thats why i dont know why bayern bought JM.
bayern has a very good team and also good backup players.
2012-09-04 22:53:03
true, but it is about time to spend some real money, because robben is not getting any better the upcoming 2 seasons. in fact I think we've seen his best. so a good substitution would be nice. also ribery is not too young either. neymar is too expensive though, and I dont see many truly promising youngsters on the wing. (not for sale at least, hazard nani wilkshire would be perfect adds for bayern but already in big clubs, affelay just got bought by a rival and also isnt a 100 % top player. needs to prove a bit more)
eriksen would be a good pick for central offensive midfielder perhaps. affordable, and ozil potential.
Post edited 2012-09-05 17:51:07
eriksen would be a good pick for central offensive midfielder perhaps. affordable, and ozil potential.
Post edited 2012-09-05 17:51:07
2012-09-05 17:48:29
stupid move by Hulk
he deserves much more :)
he deserves much more :)
2012-09-03 22:15:00
Money its more important then going to a big club and having a smaller salary.
2012-09-03 22:20:09
Hulk could have been to a big team , but with smaller salary, and maybe latter go to a R.Madrid , with a huge sallary.
Now in zenit, his carreer his over, witsel as well.
Now in zenit, his carreer his over, witsel as well.
2012-09-03 22:57:02
that's sad :/ such a waste of talent
2012-09-03 23:15:45
If he deserved more, he`d have been in Chelsea now
2012-09-04 21:28:04
I don't know why he is not in Chelsea :)
Maybe Chelsea didn't want to pay 50M (it's too much for him)
Maybe Chelsea didn't want to pay 50M (it's too much for him)
2012-09-04 21:28:49
They paid 40 for Hazard. I think Hulk is worth additional 10 m
2012-09-04 21:32:14
Hazard > Hulk and they already have Torres.. They shouldn't waste 50M in a player who'll not play 90minutes of the matches
I mean, they needed a midfielder like Hazard
I mean, they needed a midfielder like Hazard
2012-09-04 21:35:44
maybe:)
2012-09-04 21:38:43
the funny thing is, these two players arent even worth the prize :D
south american players, especially from brazil, are overprized as fuck.
south american players, especially from brazil, are overprized as fuck.
2012-09-03 22:21:40
yeah Hulk was totally overprized
But he deserves a better team
But he deserves a better team
2012-09-03 23:16:22
I wouldnt agree on that... witsel is really good, i could compare him to ozil in his times in bremen
2012-09-03 23:20:39
+1 Witsel WAS a huge part in Benfica's midfield
2012-09-03 23:39:28
I wonder where does Jesus gonna find someone to fill Witsel's place
BTW: Happened the same thing with Coentrao that was given by a low price imo...
BTW: Happened the same thing with Coentrao that was given by a low price imo...
2012-09-04 15:40:14
Yeah, that will be a problem for us.. i guess matic will have to fit javi's role and bruno cesar will have to cover aimar and carlos martins when they are injured or tired.. we could also used rodrigo or nolito, altough its a waste of their talent on that position
2012-09-04 16:08:49
rodrigo could easily take that position
nolito couldn't
nolito couldn't
2012-09-04 16:11:19
Agree one the overprize brazilian players. But both Hulk and Witsel are worth that.
2012-09-03 23:40:27
Hulk worths 35/40M and not +50M as Pinto da Costa said L0L
At least imo
At least imo
2012-09-04 15:41:16
I think Witsel is kinda overrated. There are too many good midfielders now
2012-09-04 21:36:50
LOOOOOOOOOL He isn't overrated, he is one of the bests in the world in hs position, it's not random, in Standard Liége he was known by the Belgian Zidane.
2012-09-04 21:45:21
As i can see he is a central attacking midf. I dont think he`s better than Fabregas/Hazard/Götze. And ofc Belgium League cant show the real abilities of the player
2012-09-04 21:53:57
He isn't a 10 as you're thinking he is an 8, he makes the game flow, all the game passes throught him leaving the defense to the ofensive.
Proof of that is Belgium national team, where Witsel and Hazard play on the initial 11, meaning they play different positions.
Proof of that is Belgium national team, where Witsel and Hazard play on the initial 11, meaning they play different positions.
2012-09-04 22:07:54
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq2IezJxISg
2012-09-03 22:22:30
Hulk was 60M
2012-09-03 23:12:15
I reeeeeaaally want to see how Benfica will face Barça without Javí Garcia and Witsel, the guys that secured Benfica's midfield. TO make things worse they don't have much solutions, even counting with bad ones.
About Porto I don't think they'll be so much prejuicated, only if Moutinho and maybe Fernando left them. They got plenty of forwards and young talented ones like Atsu and James Rodriguez.
About Porto I don't think they'll be so much prejuicated, only if Moutinho and maybe Fernando left them. They got plenty of forwards and young talented ones like Atsu and James Rodriguez.
2012-09-03 23:43:37
Benfica has no midfieldrs,no left back, only forward players. :D
They have +11 forwards (inside position) players.
The only good defender they have is Maxi Pereira, and he plays on right side so.
LOOOOL
This year Benfica = DEEP BLACK WHOLE
Porto <3 !!
They have +11 forwards (inside position) players.
The only good defender they have is Maxi Pereira, and he plays on right side so.
LOOOOL
This year Benfica = DEEP BLACK WHOLE
Porto <3 !!
2012-09-03 23:57:01
Are you blind? They got a really nice goalkeeper Artur and Garay is an awesome defender.
2012-09-04 00:13:07
+1 Coming from a Porto fan. Benfica will now have to play with only Carlos Martins and Aimar on the middle that still is pretty fucking good midfield. But they should backup it since Aimar can't barely hold on a match.
2012-09-04 02:17:06
They got Matic and they got a B team I think, so in extreme conditions they call someone from B.
2012-09-04 18:54:09
no midfielders ? sorry did not knew that carlos martins pablo aimar and matic were goalkeepers ... ye ... and I hope that you stuck that "deep black hole" in your ass in the end of the season.
2012-09-04 04:17:22
We'll see about that. Imo Porto is a bit stronger atm, still, you have been struggling to win vs every team... We'll see what happens...
2012-09-04 12:26:34
No deep black hole...
Let's see what the future brings to them...
Let's see what the future brings to them...
2012-09-04 15:43:42
if Hulk's price tag is 55M, how much would be Falcao's? 100? holy penis..
2012-09-03 23:48:46
True story and still Falcao's price was lower than Hulk LOOL
2012-09-04 15:44:27
Zenith are divorced on money. Okay, Hulk is good player, but 100M for this both... Jesus Christ :(
2012-09-03 23:55:10
They're proven players in Europe, not like Oscar, Lucas, Neymar, and shit like that.
2012-09-04 00:25:39
Why do you say Oscar, Lucas and Neymar are shit?
They're amazing players and they have already proved it (maybe not in Europe, but we know they are great)
Post edited 2012-09-04 04:27:50
They're amazing players and they have already proved it (maybe not in Europe, but we know they are great)
Post edited 2012-09-04 04:27:50
2012-09-04 04:27:16
You said everything. Neymar score goals were we starts running on the middle of the pitch and passes all players, in brasilian league of course. The only guys that you can say that have what it's need to do it in Europe is Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi, but they are unatural talents man !
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2012-09-04 04:46:17
Of course Neymar wouldn't be the same player in Europe.. But saying that he is shit is just stupid imo.
He is great, knows a lot about football. He doesn't need to be a player who runs from the middle of the field and passes everyone to be a good player..
He is great, knows a lot about football. He doesn't need to be a player who runs from the middle of the field and passes everyone to be a good player..
2012-09-04 04:53:14
Neymar is great.. but he need to improve his physics
2012-09-04 10:50:08
yes.. having a great physics is not so usual here in Brazil
that's why our players get bigger when they go to Europe :)
that's why our players get bigger when they go to Europe :)
2012-09-04 18:30:13
You said it all when you said they didn't played in Europe, so if they didn't, they haven't proven.
Specially Neymar, in the Olympics only Hulk was worth watching, the team played for Neymar, yet he just wanted to drible and lost the ball sooooooooooo many times.
Specially Neymar, in the Olympics only Hulk was worth watching, the team played for Neymar, yet he just wanted to drible and lost the ball sooooooooooo many times.
2012-09-04 18:58:38
Neymar can be a good player without dribling the opponents.
He is used to do it against low players here in Brazil.. but he'd be a great player in Europe.
He is used to do it against low players here in Brazil.. but he'd be a great player in Europe.
2012-09-04 20:47:17
He won't simply lose his will to drible. His girly dribles costed Brazil the gold in the Olympics.
2012-09-04 21:29:12
lol, if you think he has dribled too much in the Olympics, you should see what he does in Brazil x)
everyone here said he was good at the Olympics because he didn't try his girly dribles :P
I think he can lose his will.. Maybe playing in Barcelona he would change his style
everyone here said he was good at the Olympics because he didn't try his girly dribles :P
I think he can lose his will.. Maybe playing in Barcelona he would change his style
2012-09-04 21:33:50
Doubt he could fit in Barça's style.
If he does even more dribles in your League, then LOL I don't know what to say.
If he does even more dribles in your League, then LOL I don't know what to say.
2012-09-04 21:40:15
I'd say he just play the League to perform his girly dribles :P
Maybe he could fit in Barça.. It's not so hard to play with Messi, Iniesta and Xavi :P Plus he is a good player (I've already said it before.. even with all his dribles he's still an outstanding player)
I do not support his team but I really appreciate his football. It's good to watch you know :)
Maybe he could fit in Barça.. It's not so hard to play with Messi, Iniesta and Xavi :P Plus he is a good player (I've already said it before.. even with all his dribles he's still an outstanding player)
I do not support his team but I really appreciate his football. It's good to watch you know :)
2012-09-04 21:43:10
I'm saying he doesn't fit in Barça, because in Barça he won't be the star, a thing he is used to, plus he would got to play as a team, not individually.
2012-09-04 21:50:49
Got your point.
But what I said was that he can adapt his playing style to Barça's team.
He always wants to be the star.. that could be a problem in Barcelona =)
But what I said was that he can adapt his playing style to Barça's team.
He always wants to be the star.. that could be a problem in Barcelona =)
2012-09-04 21:53:18
Seriously? Hulk? He was a shit at Olympics, he went to the bench for obvious reasons, too bad our coach is a fucking idiot, Lucas should've been on the primary team, we'd have done it better.
2012-09-05 18:25:42
LOL!? Everytime he entered the game, Brazil played better, stop being a blind 20 years old brazilian babies.
2012-09-05 20:07:15
Then how many will cost Messi? 150M?
This is insanity!
This is insanity!
2012-09-04 14:35:45
Who's talking about Messi?
2012-09-04 18:56:36
Why would anybody buy Hulk? The guy has played in the portuguese league, and before that in the JAPANESE second division.
2012-09-04 23:14:13
You just said it all. The guy played in the portuguese league, it's a good league with good teams, plus he won Europa League and played in Champions several times.
Don't be a hater.
Don't be a hater.
2012-09-04 23:18:14
The portoguese league is horrible compared to the big leagues:
England
Spain
Germany
Italy
France
England
Spain
Germany
Italy
France
2012-09-05 18:42:45
True story...
Hulk worths at tops half of that...
Hulk worths at tops half of that...
2012-09-04 15:45:27
half of that ?You don't seem to understand how football works nowadays, he had 4 years left at Porto and is only 26 yo, huge talent = almost worth it, I'd say 50M for him.
2012-09-04 21:07:27
50M max....
More than that is just stupidity
More than that is just stupidity
2012-09-04 21:54:15
ONLY 26 years old? Really?
2012-09-06 00:12:11
waste of money
2012-09-04 00:28:22
Benfica lost the 2 most important players in the midfield, javi garcia to man city, witsel to zenit and didnt bought any player to replace those two.
Porto lost Hulk and alvaro pereira.
Sporting!! Is our chance now!
Porto lost Hulk and alvaro pereira.
Sporting!! Is our chance now!
2012-09-04 00:32:12
Keep dreamin'
2012-09-04 15:46:12
GAZPROM Powahh, whos next? ronaldo?
2012-09-04 01:36:34
Overpriced players. It isn't a waste of money since they are really good players with a good future ahead of them.
Good for Porto and Benfica cashed some money. IMO a relief to finally see Hulk getting the hell out of Porto he's motivation to stay on top went almost to zero after that season with Falcao up front. And Witsel, coming from a Porto fan, is a really midfielder with a really bright future but still not worth the 40 milion euros, he should have stayed at Benfica one more season.
Good for Porto and Benfica cashed some money. IMO a relief to finally see Hulk getting the hell out of Porto he's motivation to stay on top went almost to zero after that season with Falcao up front. And Witsel, coming from a Porto fan, is a really midfielder with a really bright future but still not worth the 40 milion euros, he should have stayed at Benfica one more season.
2012-09-04 02:12:35
so you guys are telling me hulk is now worth what kaka' was worth at his normal-peak state at milan when he was sold?
bitch please , hulk is 25/30m~ max.
anyway career over , like eto'o.
hf in mother russia
bitch please , hulk is 25/30m~ max.
anyway career over , like eto'o.
hf in mother russia
2012-09-04 11:31:54
Terribly over-priced....20M is about the right prize for Hulk...~15 for Witsel!
I'm not saying they're not good but Zenit could've gotten much better players!
I'm not saying they're not good but Zenit could've gotten much better players!
2012-09-04 11:46:22
15M million for witsel and 20M for hulk? ahahah mate, hulk is a beast, he can decide a match by himself and witsel.. well, ive never seen a player keeping the ball like him while dribling through players, in some years, if he doesnt get ruined in the russian league he will be on the top of the world.
2012-09-04 12:29:39
Players nowadays are majorly overpaid by Arab and Russian owners !
According to you Hulk is as good as Ibra...I know Ibra's older, but there you can't be sure that Hulk would do well in a bigger club(though Zenit is not one, they are/were weaker than Porto)!
Witsel is young...realistically his market value cannot exceed 15M-18M!
Hulk's price realistically can go up to ~25M not more!
Once again I'm talking about numbers which a normal club would pay not an over-spender !
According to you Hulk is as good as Ibra...I know Ibra's older, but there you can't be sure that Hulk would do well in a bigger club(though Zenit is not one, they are/were weaker than Porto)!
Witsel is young...realistically his market value cannot exceed 15M-18M!
Hulk's price realistically can go up to ~25M not more!
Once again I'm talking about numbers which a normal club would pay not an over-spender !
2012-09-04 15:46:55
Hmm, i never said hulk = ibra, imo, i dunno how PSG only paid 27M for ibra cause the guy is beast...
money rules this world, and these clubs have so much money.. hulk should be around 40m/50m and witsel around 30M/40M.. believe me, witsel will be a big star if he is sucessfull
money rules this world, and these clubs have so much money.. hulk should be around 40m/50m and witsel around 30M/40M.. believe me, witsel will be a big star if he is sucessfull
2012-09-04 16:07:13
If they're overrpriced, which they aren't they ARE PROVEN EUROPEAN PLAYERS!! They played in Champions, Portuguese League, Europa League, etc...
What about Oscar? What about Lucas? Aren't they overrpriced as fuck? Lucas is worth 15M, not Witsel.
What about Oscar? What about Lucas? Aren't they overrpriced as fuck? Lucas is worth 15M, not Witsel.
2012-09-04 19:15:50
I never said anything about them...ofc they're ovepriced...but if you're not dumb you'd notice that only russian/arab owners spend that much!
2012-09-04 21:27:21
That's untrue, both United and Real spent alot of money too. Also Bayern.
2012-09-04 21:37:01
Real and Barca always spend a lot of money, everybody knows that !
United didn't spend a lot of money....they bought the most prolific striker in the world atm for 24M and a top3 player in the bundesliga in the past 2 years for only 12M!
Those 2 players are not overpriced!
United didn't spend a lot of money....they bought the most prolific striker in the world atm for 24M and a top3 player in the bundesliga in the past 2 years for only 12M!
Those 2 players are not overpriced!
2012-09-04 22:53:36
It was 30M not 24.
Btw the most profilific striker in world atm? lol? Falcão? Ibra?
Btw the most profilific striker in world atm? lol? Falcão? Ibra?
2012-09-04 23:07:21
They were arguably the best 3 strikers last year!
But if you take a look at the teams they played for I'd say he's the clear winner!
Ibra is a hard player to play with, all his teammates say that, he NEEDS to be the dominant player in his team, that's why he wasn't happy at barca cause simply there were too many good players over there!
But if you take a look at the teams they played for I'd say he's the clear winner!
Ibra is a hard player to play with, all his teammates say that, he NEEDS to be the dominant player in his team, that's why he wasn't happy at barca cause simply there were too many good players over there!
2012-09-05 09:56:43
Why he is the clear winner? Milan>Arsenal>Atlético in normal conditions, even thought english football is really fragile against portuguese and spanish teams.
Falcão won a title last year, Van Persie doesn't win a signel won, since... I don't even know lol. Arsenal doesn't win since 2004, take your conclusions.
Falcão won a title last year, Van Persie doesn't win a signel won, since... I don't even know lol. Arsenal doesn't win since 2004, take your conclusions.
2012-09-05 13:20:49
Falcao plays in a defensively "weak" league
2012-09-05 18:21:00
lol no.
2012-09-05 20:05:27
lol yes -.-
2012-09-05 20:07:09
That's why when a english team faces a spanish or a portuguese one it shakes form all over the place, english teams are weak facing latin teams. So no.
2012-09-05 20:10:29
iirc it was a premier league team that won CL last year
2012-09-05 20:24:01
Hulk was over the limits cmon...
Imo he worths 25/35M...
Imo he worths 25/35M...
2012-09-04 15:49:17
No passion in Russian league.. why Hulk pls why? You are 27 go and money hunt when you get around 33..
2012-09-04 12:27:02
Both Hulk and Witsel aren't worth THAT much money, especially Witsel. I would say both players cost about 15 mil. less than what they were bought for. But the Russian teams don't care LOL, they got plenty of money so they basically don't give a f*ck as long as they get the players just like other teams in Europe :P
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2012-09-04 12:46:10
Witsel can be around 20/30M :x
Hulk around the same...
Hulk around the same...
2012-09-04 15:50:11
No, Hulk is more worth than Witsel, a whole lot more! Witsel should be around 20-25 while hulk is definitely around 30-40..
2012-09-04 16:36:45
You said Hulk is on other level? Are you comparing them? Because you you are it shows hw much you understand about football.
Witsel can keep the ball like no one.
But if you say they're overrpriced, what you say about Oscar and Lucas?
Witsel can keep the ball like no one.
But if you say they're overrpriced, what you say about Oscar and Lucas?
2012-09-04 19:20:35
Yes I am comparing them and so far everything I heard from you guys about Witsel is that he can keep the ball like no one else which is not true and since that's all you mention I guess he isn't good at anything else except for that. I know how good Witsel is and I've seen him play many times, he is not better than Hulk.
Lucas is an outstanding young talent as well as Oscar and I don't think Oscar is overpriced but Lucas definitely is. He is for sure worth a lot but not THAT much PSG paid.
Lucas is an outstanding young talent as well as Oscar and I don't think Oscar is overpriced but Lucas definitely is. He is for sure worth a lot but not THAT much PSG paid.
2012-09-05 08:51:55
OMG what a retard, you can't compare and 8 to a forward. You're clueless. So dumb seriously, how can you've seen Witsel "so many times" and still manage to compare him to Hulk?
"he can keep the ball like no one else which is not true and since that's all you mention I guess he isn't good at anything else except for that"
Yeah ofcourse you've seen him so maaaaaaany times. You can't take conclusions of him by yourself. lol
You obsiously never seen him play I watched all the games of Benfica this season and only saw him lose the ball 2 times.
Oscar isn't overrpriced? For fuck sake a brazilian 20 yo kid that never played in Europe worths 30M? LOL
"he can keep the ball like no one else which is not true and since that's all you mention I guess he isn't good at anything else except for that"
Yeah ofcourse you've seen him so maaaaaaany times. You can't take conclusions of him by yourself. lol
You obsiously never seen him play I watched all the games of Benfica this season and only saw him lose the ball 2 times.
Oscar isn't overrpriced? For fuck sake a brazilian 20 yo kid that never played in Europe worths 30M? LOL
2012-09-05 13:08:32
Of course you can compare them, people do it all the time. Just how do you think they do when they choose the winner for FIFA's Ballon d'Or prize? They compare the players and what they've done the season.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You're so clueless that it's just funny now. He lost the ball 2 times? Yeah right, and I'm f*cking Barack Obama. I can name many players that have a better ball control than him and that really keep the ball like NO ONE ELSE. Iniesta, Xavi are on a class where no one is even close to be on when it comes to that and Witsel is not even close being on that level. Please stop being a fanboy and get things straight. Oscar was bought for 25M not 30 and he is worth that sum.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You're so clueless that it's just funny now. He lost the ball 2 times? Yeah right, and I'm f*cking Barack Obama. I can name many players that have a better ball control than him and that really keep the ball like NO ONE ELSE. Iniesta, Xavi are on a class where no one is even close to be on when it comes to that and Witsel is not even close being on that level. Please stop being a fanboy and get things straight. Oscar was bought for 25M not 30 and he is worth that sum.
2012-09-05 20:39:10
Oscar was 30M and he isn't worthy even 20M.
It can tell you watched Witsel playing last season. LOL
They compare on the achievments, how do you think Iniesta won? Because he's better than Messi and Ronaldo?
It can tell you watched Witsel playing last season. LOL
They compare on the achievments, how do you think Iniesta won? Because he's better than Messi and Ronaldo?
2012-09-05 22:15:55
There isn't really an official sum of how much Chelsea paid for Oscar, you say 30M I say 25M so every one's telling different, IMO he's worth that much.
I did watch Witsel last season in some matches, not all of them tho' and I have my opinion. They do not only compare achievments, I think Messi was the best player last season but that doesn't mean Iniesta didn't deserve to win, it all depends on how the journalists vote and they had their opinion.
I did watch Witsel last season in some matches, not all of them tho' and I have my opinion. They do not only compare achievments, I think Messi was the best player last season but that doesn't mean Iniesta didn't deserve to win, it all depends on how the journalists vote and they had their opinion.
2012-09-06 09:02:58
I've read somewhere it was 32M, I think it was tuttomercato.
You're right it doesn't depend only on the achievments, because if it was that Messi wouldn't have won 3 times, only 1. Remember when Sneijder won CL, Italian League, Italian Cup, Italian Supercup and reached finals with Netherlands and was the MVP of the finals? He didn't even was nominated. LOL ridiculous this FIFA/EUFA barça fans.
You're right it doesn't depend only on the achievments, because if it was that Messi wouldn't have won 3 times, only 1. Remember when Sneijder won CL, Italian League, Italian Cup, Italian Supercup and reached finals with Netherlands and was the MVP of the finals? He didn't even was nominated. LOL ridiculous this FIFA/EUFA barça fans.
2012-09-06 14:30:48
I read on the Guardian it was 25M but whatever.
I said that achievments wasn't the only thing that played a role when winning that and by the way, I am no Barcelona fan whatsoever, in fact, I hate Barcelona more than any other club. I think some things they do when things aren't going their way are disrespectful and disgusting.
I said that achievments wasn't the only thing that played a role when winning that and by the way, I am no Barcelona fan whatsoever, in fact, I hate Barcelona more than any other club. I think some things they do when things aren't going their way are disrespectful and disgusting.
2012-09-06 19:23:54
Exactly what I'm saying....only overspenders would pay that much !
A team like Milan/Juve/Inter/Arsenal/ManU would never pay that much !
A team like Milan/Juve/Inter/Arsenal/ManU would never pay that much !
2012-09-04 15:54:55
Some players it's worth spending a lot of money on and some are not. I would say it's more worth spending a lot of money on Hulk than Witsel but then again if I was the president I still wouldn't spend that much money on Hulk and especially not that much on Witsel.
2012-09-04 16:36:03
LOL by that sentence you're really comparing them. ahahah
you know nothing about football, Hulk is a forward and Witsel is a 8, Witsel's fucntion isn't to score goals.
It's like comparing Pepe with Ibra. Totally ifferent roles.
you know nothing about football, Hulk is a forward and Witsel is a 8, Witsel's fucntion isn't to score goals.
It's like comparing Pepe with Ibra. Totally ifferent roles.
2012-09-04 19:24:47
Of course I am comparing them. You can compare them and how much they meant for their respective team and how much of a threat they bring against other teams. Hulk is a bigger threat to other teams than Witsel is just as Iniesta is a bigger threat than Xavi when they pretty much play the same position. Learn football dude.
2012-09-05 09:06:12
so dumb. lol
You even contradict yourself, you compare Xavi and Iniesta saying they almost play the same position, why don't you compare Xavi with Ronaldo? Becuase it doesn't make sense.
"how much of a threat they bring to the other teams." Seriously? For example Piqué isn't a threat, but he is needed in the team.
Witsel's role isn't to score goals, i's to secure the midfield and make sure to make the transition from defense to the attack.
A swede telling me to learn football? LOL
You even contradict yourself, you compare Xavi and Iniesta saying they almost play the same position, why don't you compare Xavi with Ronaldo? Becuase it doesn't make sense.
"how much of a threat they bring to the other teams." Seriously? For example Piqué isn't a threat, but he is needed in the team.
Witsel's role isn't to score goals, i's to secure the midfield and make sure to make the transition from defense to the attack.
A swede telling me to learn football? LOL
2012-09-05 13:16:34
What I meant was is that Iniesta and Xavi often play on the same position, Iniesta can also and does also play on the left wing. But when they do play on the same position, they are on a class that no one else is near when it comes to keeping the ball. Of course you can compare Xavi and Ronaldo, Ronaldo is a better player in my opinion and a player I would rather have on my team than Xavi. He is a more dangerous threat and is more creative. Pique is a big threat to any one. He is dangerous on corners, dangerous on free kicks from the wing and he is dangerous in the penalty box not to mention how dangerous he is defensive. He is almost crystal clear when it comes to his defensive qualities. That's exactly what Witsel's role is but he is not the best player on that role, in fact, he is not even close to being the best player on that role. Yes, a Swede is telling you to learn football because you know nothing about it.
2012-09-05 20:45:15
players don't want go to Russia, thats why our footbal clubs need to pay more than for example France teams. but imo France and Russian championats on same lvl... maybe France little bit forward... \
sry for bad English, hope you understood that I meaned :)
sry for bad English, hope you understood that I meaned :)
2012-09-04 18:49:15
"especially Witsel"
Tell me how much time you spend watching Benfica games ?
Tell me how much time you spend watching Benfica games ?
2012-09-04 21:12:44
These 2 were the best players playin at portugal!
2012-09-04 14:37:22
João Moutinho, Rodrigo and James Rodríguez are also really good.
2012-09-04 19:18:54
There is also gaitan and Wolfswinkel but these guys were amazing
2012-09-04 19:31:03
imo Hulk prize - 30-35M, witsel prize - 20-25M.
2012-09-04 14:43:46
Being a Spartak fan I can say, that this move is pretty good for russian league level, but not that good for russian football in general, as 2 of our national players won't be playing as actively as before.
And in my opinion those two didn't cost like that, the real price is near 35 for Hulk and 25-30 for Witsel. But money is the only way russian clubs can attract top players to their rosters.
And in my opinion those two didn't cost like that, the real price is near 35 for Hulk and 25-30 for Witsel. But money is the only way russian clubs can attract top players to their rosters.
2012-09-04 15:54:35
totally agree
2012-09-04 18:50:12
overpriced
2012-09-04 15:59:15
Bye, won't miss them
2012-09-04 18:46:09
It's bad for your league, it makes it less intersting, even less than usual.
2012-09-04 19:17:20
Yeah, you got a point but tbh it's a good situation for the team that I cheer. Benfica and Porto lose 2 of their most skilled players.
2012-09-04 20:48:21
Russian football improved in these last years a lot and bringing experienced players from other countries is good for russian players to get better and show that they're on the same page as western superstars.
2012-09-04 19:11:45
THEY LOVE THE MONEY AND THEY SWITCHED
2012-09-04 19:18:00
the same happens with CS:GO
2012-09-04 22:11:40
what u mean?
2012-09-04 22:12:46
witsel stupid money hunter, he could have gotten a way better club -_-
2012-09-04 19:29:50
+
2012-09-04 19:59:23
he couldn't do anything Zenit toped his resicion clause.
2012-09-04 20:01:10
But he can refuse... But well, when zenit shows him a much bigger salary.. i guess its normal =(
2012-09-04 21:40:27
How could he refuse? It's part of the contract, if a club tops the clause, the club automaticly buys the player.
2012-09-04 21:47:21
But i think the player has the last word, its not like the club owns him like a bitch :p
2012-09-04 22:18:31
Hum, I don't know. I think in this case Witsel could only refuse if he didn't like the contract offered by Zenit.
2012-09-04 22:49:04
what? LOL, so by your words zenit could offer 1 euro per month to witsel cuz he cant refuse lol.
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2012-09-04 22:46:12
Did I said that?
2012-09-04 22:48:11
No, when they meet that clause the club can't refuse the offer. Player has every right to refuse the contract and stay at his current club. By your logic Manchester City could come and put up 100m (or whatever the clause is) for Messi and he would have to go. What you are saying would be equal to football slavery.
2012-09-05 00:38:57
Yea, you're probably right.
2012-09-05 12:59:04
When they offer you a salary of 3million euro a year, nobody can refuse that :P
2012-09-04 21:53:44
we have a winner
2012-09-04 21:59:43
dont understand hulk, why russian league? he could play in so much better teams and leagues
from one not attractive league in the next not attractive league
(footballwise, moneywise its better for him :D)
from one not attractive league in the next not attractive league
(footballwise, moneywise its better for him :D)
2012-09-04 20:23:11
40M for the best Premier League players (RVP & Song) and ~100M for players who havent done anything significant in their careers? Only GAZPROM, who steal money from our pockets, can do this:(
2012-09-04 21:44:04
Yea because winning Europa League and Portuguese League aren't shit.
2012-09-04 23:33:18
Yeah well scoring 30 goals in Premier League is like scoring 60 in Portuguese League.
2012-09-05 13:01:43
Why don't you tell that to Falcão? He was the best striker in Portuguese League before he went out and last year he was the 3rd best in the Spanish League behind Messi and Ronaldo and you can't simply compare Ronaldo's and Messi's teammates do Falcão's. ;)
2012-09-05 13:23:19
Hulk pulled a mastermind move here. He is 26 and will be spending his prime years in the Russian league while earning, I presume, some crazy money. Later if he moves to the EPL and gets exposed as an average overrated player that he is, he can use the excuse that he is past his prime. Well done sir, well done.
2012-09-05 00:51:28
now Zenit > world
2012-09-05 11:31:18
Hulk is amazing player, he deserves top team :]
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2012-09-05 13:03:00
Who is witsel? What position?
2012-09-05 13:07:00
Zenit is so strong now.
2012-09-05 17:51:19
wrong move by hulk
2012-09-05 17:59:19
hulk wronk
2012-09-05 18:25:57
The only reasonable thing i can think about them moving to Russia is the money because in terms of football, Portugal is much better.
Shame for Benfica losing 2 important player from the middlefield but 65M always comes in handy and we still have good youngster.
Shame for Benfica losing 2 important player from the middlefield but 65M always comes in handy and we still have good youngster.
2012-09-05 23:19:00
DNT MAKE HULK ANGRY !!!
HULK SMASSSSSH ¬!$%&^&%&%^&
#
futbol is for loozers and idiot boys .
HULK SMASSSSSH ¬!$%&^&%&%^&
#
futbol is for loozers and idiot boys .
2012-09-06 12:43:20
let's play cricket instead!
2012-09-06 19:29:20
hulk hogan?
2012-09-06 19:32:40
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