because it's a way of csgo haters can hate

1. Viewers
2. CS GO have casual players to. 25K competitive players is fake number

Post edited 2012-09-23 22:37:29

too bad csgo is full of casuals

If we're comparing to CS:GO here, I truly doubt more than 30% of the 25k are competitive players.

Post edited 2012-09-23 22:36:14

viewers and I know many ppl who play CS:GO only at publics

Post edited 2012-09-23 22:39:39

More players, whether casual or competitive = more money for the company.

they aren't

because no scene with competitive players only can survive.

I'd rather compete with millions of competitive football players than playing a game I dislike.

just a question. are these steamstats also showing the players on xbox/ps3?

i wasnt giving real numbers that compare csgo to cs 1.6 i was stating that id rather have less players over all in a more competitive game than more players over all in a less competitive game.

CS:GO -> 20k = 15k causal / 5k competitive
CS 1.6 -> 50k = 35k competitive // 15k casual

obs: competitive = mixes/bootcamps/pugs/DM's

no esport can survive without players
its like making a type of soda, and if no one buys it. = fail

Post edited 2012-09-24 01:20:01

Because you don`t have future, no new players to replace pros when they quit, no new teams, no new stars, lack of competition, lack of motivation, player numbers drops, events drops etc

Most stars started like casual gamers

Post edited 2012-09-24 01:42:29

these stats might give you a better view about the consumer market. it is an important tool for the whole marketing area, as well as for some other business functions. f.e.: competitive players can be considered reliable consumers and need a whole different approach than casual/pub players, who will spend their money in very different ways :)

i agree with you as a player, but as the gaming market shows, these 50k pubbers can be very profitable for valve. also, it is normal that mature markets (as 1.6 f.e.) depend mostly on their loyal customers. cs:go evidences that way big dilemma: have huge profits as a normal fps game or continue as the most important competitive game, but with very lower benefits.

i simply think valve should review their strategies. maybe innovating cs 1.6 with new maps and some skins might be enough to pop it up again, don't you think so? :)

Post edited 2012-09-24 03:03:59

Steam stats are irrelevant. Look at dota2, 90k steam stats but 95+% of them aren't on steam :>.

It doesn't really matter, what matters is how many people spectate and follow, of course there is likely a big correlation between these two numbers, but what is important to see is that CS 1.6 and CS:S are still very high in their numbers, and CS in total is over 100k every single day, and I think this is in fact the important number, because every one of those 100k could potentially watch a CS:GO match, and that is the audience to care about.

Also, the fact that CS:GO has peaked much higher, and keep selling copies (has been in top10 most sold games on Steam since release), means that the players are there, and they most likely will come back when the game gets patched more, and the competition picks up.

So in short, don't panic, keep spectating the tournaments, the pros are already there, the masses will follow.