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Neo: "Lacking satisfaction"
Interviewer: What do you think about the game? Are there any changes that you would like to see introduced?
Neo: Personally I would like to see lots of changes. Right now, you just do not get that satisfaction while playing, the feeling of owning anyone like you had in 1.6.
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Neo, the best CS player, has proven all the doubts we've had all this time; when you think that you've killed someone in the game, you don't. And when you feel that your bullets will absolutely miss, you get the kill. It's called randomness. Furthermore, efforts are most of the time irrelevant, when accomplishing things that contain this element. Neo's already put a quite number of hours to the game, yet he still feels that something's not right. Yeah, the feeling such as "I've got this!" or "I can pull this round/shot!" is no longer exist. You put a hell of concentration in it, but you fail to see the desirable result. You're not sure whether the hours you've spent on the game would make you to be a patent aimer, not sure whether the past marathon of CSDM would make you to own everyone on the next match. That's exactly what Neo feels when playing GO. The game disappoints him to the point where he cares less to put his mind on the game as intense as he did on 1.6. Being contrary with the common sense, when he's being less 'expecting' and puts less effort, he gets 5 AK47 kills 5 HS. True story. Personally, to get such result regardless of the efforts made, is not equal to satisfaction. I believe Neo has the same idea, hence the 'lack of satisfaction while playing, the feeling of owning anyone like you had in 1.6'.
I'm just trying to interpret his feeling. No more, no less.
Neo: Personally I would like to see lots of changes. Right now, you just do not get that satisfaction while playing, the feeling of owning anyone like you had in 1.6.
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Neo, the best CS player, has proven all the doubts we've had all this time; when you think that you've killed someone in the game, you don't. And when you feel that your bullets will absolutely miss, you get the kill. It's called randomness. Furthermore, efforts are most of the time irrelevant, when accomplishing things that contain this element. Neo's already put a quite number of hours to the game, yet he still feels that something's not right. Yeah, the feeling such as "I've got this!" or "I can pull this round/shot!" is no longer exist. You put a hell of concentration in it, but you fail to see the desirable result. You're not sure whether the hours you've spent on the game would make you to be a patent aimer, not sure whether the past marathon of CSDM would make you to own everyone on the next match. That's exactly what Neo feels when playing GO. The game disappoints him to the point where he cares less to put his mind on the game as intense as he did on 1.6. Being contrary with the common sense, when he's being less 'expecting' and puts less effort, he gets 5 AK47 kills 5 HS. True story. Personally, to get such result regardless of the efforts made, is not equal to satisfaction. I believe Neo has the same idea, hence the 'lack of satisfaction while playing, the feeling of owning anyone like you had in 1.6'.
I'm just trying to interpret his feeling. No more, no less.
Your interpretation leads to proof? Holy shit, that's some crazy CSI-stuff right there..
It didn't by any chance strike you that people are different?
It didn't by any chance strike you that people are different?
2012-10-05 20:37:51
There is no point of even replying to these people lol belive me.
2012-10-05 20:41:02
I still have some hope of breaching that brick wall, not sure why.. but surely there must be some functioning braincells left?
2012-10-05 21:49:55
NEO for sure had the more succes with the so called "major" tournaments. But if looking at it with more realistic approach - pretty much every tourna (like GG, eStars, WEM, DH, WEG, CPL, WSVG, different IEM-cups/-EU etc, arbalets, the list goes on... so not only top1 placements in WCG(missing), ESWC, IEM Global.Yeah, where practicly all topteams attended should be considered as "major" when it comes down to the best teams vs teams prestigue.
Then with that in mind and when on fire - f0rest along with his most unique and dominating playstyle stood out the most and displayed the highest skillcap ever.....imo
Plus he is the single one player won and winning absolutly most prizemoney in history of Counter-Strike. When it comes to consistency NEO prolly have the slight better advantage, but only if you strictly reference top1-places from "the majors".....
There are many, many reasons why f0rest should be considered as top1-player of all time, bot nt least when asking other world topelites who faced him.
NEO is also an alltime worldclass-player, but for me like many others he is second........
ps: no other CS-player had some many fans like f0rest from rest of top-CS players...f0rest breakthrough was before NEO and NEO looked up to f0rest as a true fan.
Now f0rest display his best gamingtalent with top1 in Counter-Strike Global Offensive.
Post edited 2012-10-05 23:03:49
Then with that in mind and when on fire - f0rest along with his most unique and dominating playstyle stood out the most and displayed the highest skillcap ever.....imo
Plus he is the single one player won and winning absolutly most prizemoney in history of Counter-Strike. When it comes to consistency NEO prolly have the slight better advantage, but only if you strictly reference top1-places from "the majors".....
There are many, many reasons why f0rest should be considered as top1-player of all time, bot nt least when asking other world topelites who faced him.
NEO is also an alltime worldclass-player, but for me like many others he is second........
ps: no other CS-player had some many fans like f0rest from rest of top-CS players...f0rest breakthrough was before NEO and NEO looked up to f0rest as a true fan.
Now f0rest display his best gamingtalent with top1 in Counter-Strike Global Offensive.
Post edited 2012-10-05 23:03:49
2012-10-05 22:54:16
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/1..
2012-10-06 01:28:31
"NEO looked up to f0rest as a true fan"
with a comment like that you should headbutt a brick wall
with a comment like that you should headbutt a brick wall
2012-10-06 09:34:50
You seem mad butthurt and slapped by your father back in your childhood.
NEO himself (like many other top players) told he was a fan of f0rest. You have to live with it, mad or not.
NEO himself (like many other top players) told he was a fan of f0rest. You have to live with it, mad or not.
2012-10-06 11:03:25
Can I have video or something where he told that?
2012-10-06 19:14:45
he's loco dont mind him :)
2012-12-10 18:54:50
There was a interview on fragbite where neo stated that f0rest is the best skilled opponent he has played against.
2012-12-11 09:48:39
What? I know that. I need the video or interview where Neo saying the he was a fan on f0rest.
2012-12-11 11:57:04
I bet you heard about Neo and Pentagram when they won WCG 2006 in that year since now they was in top3 in the world.
Before 2006 75% from HLTV didnt know Pentagram like after WCG'06 . They played on events in europe but without succes. f0rest was sick before 2006 so neo was fan of him. I can't find that interview but he said that.
Before 2006 75% from HLTV didnt know Pentagram like after WCG'06 . They played on events in europe but without succes. f0rest was sick before 2006 so neo was fan of him. I can't find that interview but he said that.
2012-12-11 14:22:38
LoL this was way too funny. Pentagram had succeed in Europe before 2006. Events like SEC (top1 2 times in a row) or top8 on Dreamhack. I would tell that it is a success on european level :D I know I'm Polish and I has been observing them since Pentagram CNN, but still... that was great times. MusambaN1 vs Neo always great to watch.
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Link_PGS#Mi.C4.99dz..
Gold medals in 2004-2005 all on famous european lans :) such as SEC and Lehnitz-Lan Berlin 2004. That was very huge start like for such a young international team.
Post edited 2012-12-13 02:28:23
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Link_PGS#Mi.C4.99dz..
Gold medals in 2004-2005 all on famous european lans :) such as SEC and Lehnitz-Lan Berlin 2004. That was very huge start like for such a young international team.
Post edited 2012-12-13 02:28:23
2012-12-13 02:23:09
u just sound confused
NEO, f0rest the 2 best players of all time
why NEO is considerd #1 of all time
NEO is from poland (under avg cs nation) yet his team is arguebly the best of all time
f0rest is from the biggest cs nation in the world (sweden) n lost most major events vs neo specially at the end of cs 1.6 competitve scene - 2011wcg/IEM6 2012 -
now u understand why son?
NEO, f0rest the 2 best players of all time
why NEO is considerd #1 of all time
NEO is from poland (under avg cs nation) yet his team is arguebly the best of all time
f0rest is from the biggest cs nation in the world (sweden) n lost most major events vs neo specially at the end of cs 1.6 competitve scene - 2011wcg/IEM6 2012 -
now u understand why son?
2012-12-11 12:31:42
One player dosent win matches on his own though
2012-12-11 14:09:03
Neo does, and it is said by many pro players. Players from mTw, players like cArn, etc.. all of them said that.
2012-12-12 20:04:37
That's something you say when you actually mean that the player is really good. Neo is good, no doubt. But he would never win matches without his teammates.
2012-12-13 00:47:23
Finally when an actually interesting topic comes up, you fanboys manage to change the topic completely to your #1 idol. The same thing goes with football. Mancini got sacked, the discussion ends with, whether Ronaldo is better than Messi, or not.
I don't know if you're followed the 1.6 scene. But when asking the pros who the best player ever was, most of the votes went to Neo and forest. But fnatic or SK could win a game whether f0rest played good or bad. ESC/FX/Whicked/MYM/ would almost everytime lose a top match if Neo played bad. And whom did Neo rate as the best player ever? AdreN! Maybe there is something there then =) ?
I don't know if you're followed the 1.6 scene. But when asking the pros who the best player ever was, most of the votes went to Neo and forest. But fnatic or SK could win a game whether f0rest played good or bad. ESC/FX/Whicked/MYM/ would almost everytime lose a top match if Neo played bad. And whom did Neo rate as the best player ever? AdreN! Maybe there is something there then =) ?
2013-06-06 05:27:11
The best player's statement is a proof.
People are different, and the difference between you and me, is that I like pizzas and you like sh**s.
People are different, and the difference between you and me, is that I like pizzas and you like sh**s.
2012-10-06 06:52:25
QQ kid neo is just crying cos he will be raped everyday by other players. And then he will just quit cos of rage. But who cares.
Most important thing is that GO is rising, maybe it wil be dead maybe not, but the best thing is that in either way 1.6 wont come back. Its just dead forever. And that makes me smile :)
Most important thing is that GO is rising, maybe it wil be dead maybe not, but the best thing is that in either way 1.6 wont come back. Its just dead forever. And that makes me smile :)
2012-10-06 09:38:51
anybody who appreciates the greatness that is 1.6 would understand neo's statement. if you don't fall into that category then shut your mouth and play your new game. neo will still be one of the best players in csgo but he won't stand out as much due to the lower skill cap. 1.6 will always be the high point of cs and no matter what valve does it will never bring back what everyone who still plays is looking for.
2012-10-06 11:01:47
oh god, you must be one of those kids who were an absolute zero in 1.6, who never won any tournament (no matter how petty and irrelevant), and now, with 1.6 out, you feel like you will dominate the shit out of esports in CS:GO. Well I got news for you. You will remain a pathetic nonamer and zero forever. Tough luck. But it makes me smile as well.
:)
:)
2012-10-12 21:24:34
irony of calling somone a nonamer haha.
his point is right, all be it worded terribly, 1.6 is over, let it go, dont darken its history with bitterness towards the new game
his point is right, all be it worded terribly, 1.6 is over, let it go, dont darken its history with bitterness towards the new game
2012-12-12 19:59:46
I see you're a Japanese, and I couldn't help it over here. How come all Japanese an Chinese girls have hairy pussies? Are shaving equipments that expensive over there or is it some kind of a tradition ?
2013-06-06 05:30:57
Well, it is not that shaving equipment is expensive :)
It is really more of a traditional and cultural thing. In western part of the globe, the ideal of beauty had become connected with shaving the pubes and whatnot. Although the American influence to pop-culture in JP is pretty big (at least amongst the teens), shaving the pubes is still not one of the adapted things. You might find some girls who shave, but the number is pretty low :)
So, yeah, it just has no tradition over here. Sadly.
It is really more of a traditional and cultural thing. In western part of the globe, the ideal of beauty had become connected with shaving the pubes and whatnot. Although the American influence to pop-culture in JP is pretty big (at least amongst the teens), shaving the pubes is still not one of the adapted things. You might find some girls who shave, but the number is pretty low :)
So, yeah, it just has no tradition over here. Sadly.
2013-06-06 10:33:27
Thanks :)
2013-06-06 15:50:36
+1
NEO 4 LIVE
NEO 4 LIVE
2012-10-05 20:40:18
Taz was streaming League of Legends tournament yesterday and he told that he together with neo would like to achieve something in LoL :P I think they are enjoying this game much more than CS:GO ;)
2012-10-05 20:41:21
i like how u took 1 sentence and interpolated into a full blown essay
2012-10-05 20:41:33
ya it is so random that arguably the best cs player of all time (f0rest) dominated the stats as expected in that last tournament.
it is not random, you, and neo, are just bad at the game. neo played cs for probably like 6 years before he became 'pro'. what makes himt hink he can play like 100 hours in csgo and be the same level? if he doesnt adapt and put the time in like others have (nip), he deserves to get owned and lose in csgo. his problem, not ours.
it is not random, you, and neo, are just bad at the game. neo played cs for probably like 6 years before he became 'pro'. what makes himt hink he can play like 100 hours in csgo and be the same level? if he doesnt adapt and put the time in like others have (nip), he deserves to get owned and lose in csgo. his problem, not ours.
2012-10-05 20:48:24
if neo has a kill while hes jumping fanboys yell skill
if any go player has a kill while hes jumping the recoil is bad and the game is random. just ignore these fanboys. its the same 10 people spamming the entire site claiming theyre the majority.
if any go player has a kill while hes jumping the recoil is bad and the game is random. just ignore these fanboys. its the same 10 people spamming the entire site claiming theyre the majority.
2012-10-05 20:57:56
you dork?
2012-10-05 22:12:21
nope, you?
2012-10-05 22:24:28
yep, you dork lol
2012-10-05 22:27:01
look at the picture and you know whos a dork, dork
2012-10-05 22:57:34
sorry, i dont click links from dorks
2012-10-06 00:53:28
he saw the picture...
he's mad...
keeep feeding him xD
he's mad...
keeep feeding him xD
2013-06-04 09:37:00
he saw the picture...
he's mad...
keeep feeding him xD
he's mad...
keeep feeding him xD
2012-10-06 09:02:59
he saw the picture...
he's mad...
keep feeding him xD
he's mad...
keep feeding him xD
2012-10-06 09:03:03
he saw the picture...
he's mad...
keeep feeding him xD
he's mad...
keeep feeding him xD
2012-12-11 12:28:40
he saw the picture...
he's mad...
keeep feeding him xD
he's mad...
keeep feeding him xD
2013-06-06 13:11:10
1. Gumpster
2. Gumpster
3. Gumpster
4. Gumpster
5. Gumpster
6. Gumpster
2. Gumpster
3. Gumpster
4. Gumpster
5. Gumpster
6. Gumpster
2012-12-12 20:26:25
Something is missing on that list.. The number one CS:GO lover: R_jizzle. (didn't see the date of this topic lol)
Post edited 2012-12-12 20:44:36
Post edited 2012-12-12 20:44:36
2012-12-12 20:41:26
n1 :)
but you're missing R_Jizzle :)
but you're missing R_Jizzle :)
2012-12-13 01:16:39
NEO trains five days a week for 5 hours. He is playing well (all who attend the neo's stream, know that.) But you probably came from the source and now sees a possibility of the source (cs: go) appear in several new events. : D
2012-10-05 22:16:32
nothing to say.
neo damn king.
neo damn king.
2012-10-05 21:05:19
Thats what hes thinking. Im thinking different. :o
2012-10-05 21:17:10
Weren't you the guy who said 'i'm not going to buy this game' ?
2012-10-05 22:09:17
No, I've never said such thing.
2012-10-06 06:18:54
.
Post edited 2012-10-05 22:11:34
Post edited 2012-10-05 22:11:34
2012-10-05 22:10:05
neo: "lacking skill in csgo..."
lolol i seen his stream he plays like bigtime nub and then rage quits to play LoL...LOL
lolol i seen his stream he plays like bigtime nub and then rage quits to play LoL...LOL
2012-10-05 22:28:21
die sAucer :O
2013-05-05 11:34:05
neo's opinion does not equal proof of anything. It sounds more like he doesn't want to learn to play a new game.
2012-10-05 22:58:15
It sounds more like he doesn't want to learn to play a new worthless game.
ftfy
ftfy
2012-10-05 23:13:30
that is your point of view, i think if they believed the game is "worthless" we wouldn't be seeing them legitimately considering switching.
2012-10-06 00:09:10
They do it for the sake of money and due to nearly zero international 1.6 tournaments left.
2012-10-06 06:21:56
Right, the money, tournaments, and competition is in GO now. If they want to still be relevant they will adapt to the new game. Nobody is forcing them to play GO, but if they want to be professional counter-strike players they will play GO because 1.6 is pretty much dead now.
Post edited 2012-10-06 19:31:43
Post edited 2012-10-06 19:31:43
2012-10-06 19:28:53
Yeah, and nobody is saying that they play GO because someone has forced them to. They play GO due to monetary aspects.
2012-10-06 19:36:03
+1
2012-10-06 06:19:25
Neo is the best of all time at 1.6 and he is right, CS:GO is shit, the only people who like it are the ones who sucked at 1.6 and now have a chance to be less retarded ingame
2012-10-05 23:22:50
you are a fucking moron AND you suck at all versions of cs lol
2012-10-05 23:26:02
keep telling yourself that cs:go fanboy, maybe one day you will be able to not suck at counter-strike..
just face it, the only people excited for CS:GO are the ones who sucked bad on 1.6 and couldn't improve
just face it, the only people excited for CS:GO are the ones who sucked bad on 1.6 and couldn't improve
2012-10-05 23:31:40
uh more like 1.6 is fucking boring because i was cal-m back in like 2004 and refuse to pay for dumb shit like esea.
yes you heard me...1.6 is FUCKING BORING. i dont play mario or tetris anymore, cause that shit is fucking old and boring. OLD AND BORING. LOLOL
yes you heard me...1.6 is FUCKING BORING. i dont play mario or tetris anymore, cause that shit is fucking old and boring. OLD AND BORING. LOLOL
2012-10-05 23:38:43
i see your point, getting 2/13 over and over again must be boring and annoying
i understand that, good luck on CS:GO
i understand that, good luck on CS:GO
2012-10-05 23:40:55
lol, quit fooling yourself, dude. you would be bored too if you played cs for as long as I have
2012-10-05 23:58:28
You can't know that, it depends on the person. It's ok if you got bored but that doesn't mean everyone would. I don't think he is right but neither is your argument.
2012-10-06 06:46:09
+1
A sketch to fortify our point:
Professionals' skill in 1.6:
====================X
Noobs' skill in 1.6
==========X==========
Professionals' skill in GO:
=============X
Noobs' skill in GO:
==========X===
Obviously, the noobs love it when the gap between them and top players is minimized to as minimum as possible. But hey, then again it's not them that improving, it's the new game that has a lower skill caps.
A sketch to fortify our point:
Professionals' skill in 1.6:
====================X
Noobs' skill in 1.6
==========X==========
Professionals' skill in GO:
=============X
Noobs' skill in GO:
==========X===
Obviously, the noobs love it when the gap between them and top players is minimized to as minimum as possible. But hey, then again it's not them that improving, it's the new game that has a lower skill caps.
2012-10-06 06:48:06
Exactly
2012-10-06 11:06:39
Professionals' skill in 1.6:
====================X
Semi Pro skill in 1.6
============X========
Noobs' skill in 1.6
=====X===============
Professionals' skill in GO:
=============X
Semi Pro' skill in GO:
=======X======
Noobs' skill in GO:
==X===========
====================X
Semi Pro skill in 1.6
============X========
Noobs' skill in 1.6
=====X===============
Professionals' skill in GO:
=============X
Semi Pro' skill in GO:
=======X======
Noobs' skill in GO:
==X===========
2012-12-10 18:52:11
this ^
2012-12-11 09:41:14
+1
2012-12-10 18:52:14
Neo and all the other 1.6 pros who switched are playing just for money, and everybody knows that, isnt a "news" for anyone, the game sucks and will not change.
2012-10-05 23:45:01
I have the same opinion as him. You just kill someone and... nothing happens. It's like if you play CoD, or any other FPS, you just don't have that unique feeling of CS. It's not like the CS we know, it doesn't bring the satisfaction 1.5/1.6 had. I won't play a game just because it has 'Counter-Strike' on the name. Sum the bad gameplay, poluted maps and flawed movementation and you got the reasons for the decreasing numbers of GO on Steam stats, and the reasons of why most of us, 1.6ers doesn't like this new failed attempt of Valve. They did a bad job with Source, and now again with GO. That's sad.
2012-10-06 01:00:01
Still Source is more enjoyable than GO...
It has a completely different gameplay style, unlike GO that doesn't have one :X
And I play since 1.5...
Post edited 2012-10-06 09:08:48
It has a completely different gameplay style, unlike GO that doesn't have one :X
And I play since 1.5...
Post edited 2012-10-06 09:08:48
2012-10-06 09:08:40
+1
CSS > CS:GO
CSS > CS:GO
2012-12-11 09:42:01
And who exactly are you to interpret his feeling?
Or is it that more than interpretating (who knows how and on the basis of what) you are actually putting your words in his mouth?
It is fine to me for anyone to speak his/her mind on CS:GO (that is, not with the usual 'minimalism' so to speak) but, please, starting now to interpret what pro players mean to say with a single sentence is a bit over the top.
Or is it that more than interpretating (who knows how and on the basis of what) you are actually putting your words in his mouth?
It is fine to me for anyone to speak his/her mind on CS:GO (that is, not with the usual 'minimalism' so to speak) but, please, starting now to interpret what pro players mean to say with a single sentence is a bit over the top.
2012-10-06 01:13:58
well, to be honest looking at what Neo said and what the guy interpreted, he is just right lol
2012-10-06 01:24:10
Well, they, professional players, are celebrities. Me and you, no-namers, discuss/speculate every little things that happen around them.
2012-10-06 06:28:46
Nope. I can't say I've run into many people who do that. In fact I think it's quite stalker-ish.
2012-10-06 06:38:13
You have no idea.
2012-10-06 06:49:31
No, I do have an idea. I'm aware it goes on, but the people I talk to generally don't do it, because the people I talk to aren't sad.
2012-10-06 08:01:15
Then, you might not have run into a lot of people, especially the people of the Internet. Here, on the Internet, people can be and do whatever they want to, and they talk about things that they don't generally talk about in real life. Maybe due to ethical reasons in real life and anonymity on the Internet.
Check out http://www.celebheights.com and you'll find out that people there would call others names just because they have different estimations when judging the celebrity's height, even if the difference is only by an inch.
Check out http://www.celebheights.com and you'll find out that people there would call others names just because they have different estimations when judging the celebrity's height, even if the difference is only by an inch.
2012-10-06 18:49:07
i feel exactly the same, the satisfaction that you feel when you own sb in 1.6, is awesome, GO is not even close to that, Counter Strike 1.6, the best game ever!
2012-10-06 01:44:15
+1 go is shit
2012-10-06 09:29:45
1-cs:go
2-update
3-????
4-profit
another shit comment that doesnt make any sense and no one will read it
2-update
3-????
4-profit
another shit comment that doesnt make any sense and no one will read it
2012-10-07 23:43:57
Sorry to disappoint you, but you won't be seeing any major updates in the future, apart from CSGOTV. There will be only some minor updates for bugs/crashes/etc.
2012-10-12 20:29:25
Even though he was 2nd best player you shouldn't expect to be good at cs:go instantly.
2012-10-08 17:14:05
He's probably upset because (compared to his 1.6 skill) he sucks at GO. If he actually put the time into GO, it's not any more random than 1.6 was, and really provides better bullet registration than 1.6 ever did (can't speak for LAN comparisons, just online).
If neo were to see this post (spoiler: he won't), I'd tell him to spend a couple of hours playing on http://gamebanana.com/csgo/maps/168139. You realize that the "randomness" is actually just you trying to shoot while moving. Something that's very unforgiving in GO compared to 1.6. In 1.6, a running spraying m4 ace was in everyone's frag movie. You're not really going to see that in GO.
If neo were to see this post (spoiler: he won't), I'd tell him to spend a couple of hours playing on http://gamebanana.com/csgo/maps/168139. You realize that the "randomness" is actually just you trying to shoot while moving. Something that's very unforgiving in GO compared to 1.6. In 1.6, a running spraying m4 ace was in everyone's frag movie. You're not really going to see that in GO.
2012-10-09 15:54:42
"In CS:GO, a running spraying m4 ace will be in everyone's frag movie. You didn't really see this in 1.6."
Fixed your post.
running-stop-shoot-running != shooting while running
Fixed your post.
running-stop-shoot-running != shooting while running
2012-10-09 15:59:38
running m4 in 1.6? go back to source, lol
2012-10-12 21:20:23
pointless to reply him, he will say that you are low or whatever
2012-12-11 09:45:40
NEO is and will always be the best cs 1.6 player in the CS 1.6 history and he will also be a king in CS:GO.
2012-10-12 21:13:23
Still lacking satisfaction.
2012-12-10 18:01:43
"Neo, the best CS player"
nice try
nice try
2012-12-10 18:09:55
"f0rest, the best CS player"
nice try
nice try
2012-12-10 18:40:25
we cant argue about that till the end of the world but one thing i know for 100% is that f0rest is definetely a lot more talented than neo in fps games
2012-12-10 19:33:35
How could you know? LOL! Neo has been owning since 2000.
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2012-12-11 09:21:08
and..f0rest hasn´t?
2012-12-11 12:19:43
Does it mean that he is more talented? Like, do you know each of them to tell who is more talented?
2012-12-11 12:55:09
No but there was a interview with a quake player. In that interview he was asked who is the most talented pro gamer you have ever played/met - He said: f0rest.
Apparently he (the quake pro) played 1on1 with f0rest and f0rest actually managed to keep up with him lol.
Apparently he (the quake pro) played 1on1 with f0rest and f0rest actually managed to keep up with him lol.
2012-12-11 12:57:42
But he didn't met all of the pros. Of course f0rest is talented, but you can't say one is more talented than another if you don't know both of them and didn't play with both of them.
Behind their CSGO success is much work and much time doing stuff, while ESC had like half of this time. Everything is about time you spend doing stuff.
Behind their CSGO success is much work and much time doing stuff, while ESC had like half of this time. Everything is about time you spend doing stuff.
2012-12-11 13:02:29
Well everything you said is correct, but i didn´t even mention ESC and how are they doing. You can always measure things, also such as talent. A lot of gamers have said that f0rest is a beast in all games. That ofcourse doesn´t mean neo isn´t talented but my guess is that f0rest is talented a bit more...but who can really know for 100% :D
2012-12-11 13:05:52
just because f0rest aim > Neo aim
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2012-12-11 09:47:34
more like because of natural talent. There was a interview where a top quake player said that he played with f0rest on quakelive and f0rest actually managed to keep up with him lol.
2012-12-11 12:20:53
they dont like the game, where are the news?
2012-12-10 18:43:37
Why do people bump old as topics?
2012-12-10 18:44:57
Speaking about consistency, NIP are still owning anyone. Maybe Neo is just uninterested or lazy.
2012-12-11 05:32:04
+1
2012-12-11 09:48:24
stopped reading at "the best CS player"
2012-12-11 05:59:03
If we talk about 1.6, he surely is. Two times player of the year, player of decade.
2012-12-11 09:39:15
Of course he is missing the feeling of "owning", because obviously he isn't :D
I would bet GTR and Scream has this feeling in csgo.
I would bet GTR and Scream has this feeling in csgo.
2012-12-11 09:55:49
come on!!! go to sleep
2012-12-11 11:59:01
Thanks, cap! But why would he say that and be a Capn' Obvious in an interview?
2013-05-06 03:07:23
i'm sure everyone's gonna stop following/playing csgo now, great argumentWHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS
2012-12-11 12:02:49
I support CS: GO, it`s a cool game but it's not 1.6, neither better nor worse, just different.
But I know that feeling Neo, and understand you.
keep on trying
GL & HF, ESC
But I know that feeling Neo, and understand you.
keep on trying
GL & HF, ESC
2012-12-11 12:39:23
f0rest: keep open minded, its a new game.
i know my opinion is not much since im a nobody, but:
i played 1.6 for over 8 years and when i started GO it was "omfg will i ever kill someone"
the most annoying thing playing DM is that deagle headshots, i get my crosshair str8 and then boom, he's running with his pistol and hitting hs. it was really tough. and then i went on youtube and found forests interview and wrote what he said ^ on a peace of paper, labeled it on top of my monitor and whenever i miss a free kill i read that instead of raging..
its totally a new game, especially for those who played 1.6>source.
you need to keep your mind open for it. i did and i fu*king enjoy it :D
i know my opinion is not much since im a nobody, but:
i played 1.6 for over 8 years and when i started GO it was "omfg will i ever kill someone"
the most annoying thing playing DM is that deagle headshots, i get my crosshair str8 and then boom, he's running with his pistol and hitting hs. it was really tough. and then i went on youtube and found forests interview and wrote what he said ^ on a peace of paper, labeled it on top of my monitor and whenever i miss a free kill i read that instead of raging..
its totally a new game, especially for those who played 1.6>source.
you need to keep your mind open for it. i did and i fu*king enjoy it :D
2012-12-11 13:10:13
f0rest did really get into u didnt he
2012-12-12 19:39:51
f0rest's aim is better a little bit maybe but Neo is a better player, he is the most complete player of all times (in CS 1.6)
in CS:GOshit is GTR, but I can only watch fnatic and MODDII in this game, Don't play this game by himself
in CS:GOshit is GTR, but I can only watch fnatic and MODDII in this game, Don't play this game by himself
2012-12-11 14:01:56
I literally don't even care what FPS game is the major title, as long as we get to see professionals from the many different titles competing on it.
2012-12-11 14:18:33
So just because one person doesn't find the game as amusing as others do, it means the game is shit? Nice logic you got there.
2012-12-12 19:50:26
Id like to ask how many hours did neo have on 1.6 when he was considered the best player? certainly not anything under 1000 hours.
2012-12-12 21:52:42
I would also be sad if my team loses every match. I know for a fact that they're all good players(as of Neo's team)and if they practice, they WILL be good at this game. It's just a matter of time guys.
2012-12-13 02:26:54
This is ancient interview...
so probably trolling :P
so probably trolling :P
2013-01-01 18:36:56
with years of development game to lose the zest because of whom she loved so many ppls
example: sc1 > sc2; diablo II > diablo III
that's that
Post edited 2013-01-01 19:48:43
example: sc1 > sc2; diablo II > diablo III
that's that
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2013-01-01 19:45:45
Personally I would like to see lots of changes. Right now, you just do not get that satisfaction while playing, the feeling of owning anyone like you had in 1.6.
Totally agree, the whole game is another feeling, this shitty feeling, just stop playng the game, when its not satisfining poeple in the same way, as the old cs, why force yourself to play some shitty game..?
Totally agree, the whole game is another feeling, this shitty feeling, just stop playng the game, when its not satisfining poeple in the same way, as the old cs, why force yourself to play some shitty game..?
2013-01-01 20:57:03
Neo: "Lacking satisfaction"
Here, have some satisfaction:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPtQ4K-evBo
Here, have some satisfaction:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPtQ4K-evBo
2013-01-01 21:16:32
another csgo bash thread, go and play your 1.6 and shut up. Neo is lacking satisfaction because hes getting carried by Taz and Pasha, he hasnt been playing as well as he should be, I would be mad too if I was in his position.
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2013-01-01 21:36:20
#190
2013-06-04 09:28:47
you dont know how he feels and your name is kinda ..... i dont know maybe lack of life satisfaction
2013-01-01 21:48:13
"lack of satisfaction while playing, the feeling of owning anyone like you had in 1.6"
The thing he says by that is that he suck at CSGO compared to 1.6. Do not try to be some dectective and find something that is not there.
The thing he says by that is that he suck at CSGO compared to 1.6. Do not try to be some dectective and find something that is not there.
2013-05-05 05:20:53
Why would he tell the media that he didn't like the game because he sucked at it? For me, it's like you're saying that Neo is retarded.
2013-06-04 09:22:17
Because he is sucking. Ok, he isn't sucking, but not playing aswell as he did back in 1.6. THATS where the satisfaction problem lies.
Your comment makes no sense, can you add some detail to your answer so I can actually begin to understand what you're trying to say?
Your comment makes no sense, can you add some detail to your answer so I can actually begin to understand what you're trying to say?
2013-06-04 18:35:03
You should reread the main post.
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Interviewer: What do you think about the game? Are there any changes that you would like to see introduced?
Neo: Personally I would like to see lots of changes. Right now, you just do not get that satisfaction while playing, the feeling of owning anyone like you had in 1.6.
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It means he wanted to see changes that could give the satisfaction while playing like 1.6 did. It didn't have anything to do with him being bad at the game because he was asked about what changes he would like to see. If he's saying that he didn't enjoy the game just because he sucked at it, it means he's retarded because his statement wasn't relevant at all to the question, and that's what you're trying to imply.
So, it comes down to whether it's Neo that is retarded, or you.
I think the latter seems to fit it more.
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Interviewer: What do you think about the game? Are there any changes that you would like to see introduced?
Neo: Personally I would like to see lots of changes. Right now, you just do not get that satisfaction while playing, the feeling of owning anyone like you had in 1.6.
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It means he wanted to see changes that could give the satisfaction while playing like 1.6 did. It didn't have anything to do with him being bad at the game because he was asked about what changes he would like to see. If he's saying that he didn't enjoy the game just because he sucked at it, it means he's retarded because his statement wasn't relevant at all to the question, and that's what you're trying to imply.
So, it comes down to whether it's Neo that is retarded, or you.
I think the latter seems to fit it more.
2013-06-06 03:13:38
It doesn't come down to anyone being retarded, thats just a 'retarded' assumption and a 'retarded' statement overall
My response wasn't based on his interview, it was based on my own belief on why he isn't satisfied.
My response wasn't based on his interview, it was based on my own belief on why he isn't satisfied.
2013-06-06 16:27:48
It isn't a 'retarded' assumption as you were implying that Neo is a stupid guy who talks stupid in an interview.
The problem lies in the game, not in Neo.
The problem lies in the game, not in Neo.
2013-06-06 17:15:27
You're an idiot.
2013-06-06 23:24:44
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/5..
2013-06-07 03:52:57
Neo is crap
2013-05-05 10:59:47
I disagree, the game is good. Sure I love 1.6 and 1.6 is still unbeatable for me, however somehow I enjoy playing CSGO more than I enjoyed playing 1.6
2013-05-05 11:14:07
csgo aka sAuce 2, shitty game
2013-05-06 03:24:11
Fat models gliding on a silly overcrowded map => crap.
2013-05-06 03:38:31
+1
2013-05-06 04:15:29
I have the same feeling, i tried cs:go (130 hours). But idont get that feeling aswell, so idont really play anything other than ESEA sometimes with friends.
On the other hand im glad to see the 2 communities put together (souce/1.6) so we get 1 game that "everybody" play, atleast on competetive level, to bad it destroyed 1.6/source for the guys who loved "their" game.
pz
On the other hand im glad to see the 2 communities put together (souce/1.6) so we get 1 game that "everybody" play, atleast on competetive level, to bad it destroyed 1.6/source for the guys who loved "their" game.
pz
2013-06-04 09:41:17
no feeling of owning
THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOOD ENOUGH
THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOOD ENOUGH
2013-06-04 09:59:53
#204
2013-06-08 13:41:32
Former 1.6 legend in "my team aren't winning much, this game is rubbish" shocker.
2013-06-04 13:00:14
#199
2013-06-04 18:55:42
created 2012-10-05 20:32.
one idiot replied to 8 months old post and the others are following him.
one idiot replied to 8 months old post and the others are following him.
2013-06-04 13:35:53
ugh. right :/ I thought someone posted this again.
2013-06-06 05:48:03
"Neo: Personally I would like to see lots of changes. Right now, you just do not get that satisfaction while playing, the feeling of owning anyone like you had in 1.6." Yes, because he is nowhere near as good in cs:go as in 1.6, thats why he lacks satisfaction for owning everyone: Cause he CANT. ;)
2013-06-04 19:18:05
Am I the only one that rembers that this interview was like September last year?
7/10 in trolling.
7/10 in trolling.
2013-06-06 05:47:26
Does it matter? The game still sucks balls.
2013-06-06 05:50:08
Neo is a top 3 player in any version of cs and always will... game is broken thats why so many other players who arent bad but would never have that same consistency neo would if the game lose a lot of that randomness
2013-06-06 06:11:11
HLTV logic.
Popular player has an opinion.
PROOF.
Popular player has an opinion.
PROOF.
2013-06-06 08:14:55
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5bYDhZBFLA
2013-06-06 11:53:01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFFVROfZBms
2013-06-06 13:30:06
seems that he cannot explain anything and is like a lot of you guys here, just don't like cause is now exactly the same as 1.6..
2013-06-06 15:45:01
just don't like cause is now exactly the same as 1.6
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/1..
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/1..
2013-06-06 15:53:10
got tired of cs:go as well. In long term i dont see the reason to keep playing it
2013-06-06 12:46:41
he shouldn't blame the game becouse he is not good at it. The game is fine, of course is annother game from 1.6, so is not guaranteed that he will play well this game just becouse he played well 1.6. He could be not satysfied and its ok, but don't blame the game. He just miss the facility to kill on 1.6 that doesn't have on GO. of course the game have some issues but 1.6 has too. get right was awesome player on 1.6 and GO, so, doesn't have any excuses.. if someone has to get the blame, he should get it.
2013-06-06 15:20:20
Well thats too much of a black and white view on the matter.Yes he is to blame because he still hasnt put enough effort in the game(but he is improving dont get me wrong)but then again if you dont enjoy something how can you improve.It's not about 1.6 per say,its about freedom of choice that csgo doesnt have compared to it,whether its through the movement/peeking/holding angles.And please dont compare neo to getright,two completely different players,imo gtr has the perfect style of play for csgo:a great aim yet smarter than pretty much all madfraggers,while neos movement played a big part in why he was so godlike in 1.6(and thats coming from a f0rp fan),also lets face it nip players started way earlier and probably went through accepting the game is AS IT IS(people say crap and while i cant disagree i should say limited instead) not with all of us watching their every game and getting dissapointed.
2013-06-06 15:32:01
you are saying almost the same thing that I was, but only giving excuses why he is not good at it.. if he don't enjoy he is welcome to play the tons of games that are disposable in the world, he don't need to play GO, but he want, he is just attempting and failing, but this happens becouse he wants to play. I just think that he has to accept the chalenge and masterate to go good again.. and believe me, is the thing that I want most for this players, i want to see they playing well too. I want to see them chalenging NIP from equal,finishing this sick domination of GO scene they have. I wasn't able to see whats ESC worth becouse by the time they were owning I had stopped from playing CS, but by seeing what everyone says about it, I want to see them like this in GO. So comments like this from one of the best players of 1.6 makes me sad about it.
2013-06-06 15:55:26
Well that argument he shouldnt play is stupid,because ofcourse everybody wants to play a cs game,just many people feel forced to play this version of it,that is clearly not as good.Some people dont say anything about it,some do.Ofcourse someone who is winning wont say anything and vice versa that is just normal behaviour.Excuses or not,doesnt mean he(and bigger part of the community)is not right,but as i said he is becoming better and better,but you should understand that because this game is different and imo much harder to adapt for many 1.6 players,it will take more time and maybe even not get where they were.
2013-06-06 16:26:59
I think the hardest thing for CS 1.6 players to adapt to is the randomness. The fact that peakers have an advantage and that never stopping > holding angles. CS 1.6 was an art, CS:GO is more chaos. That being said I enjoy both. CSS was a lot closer in game feel and style to CS:GO.
2013-06-06 17:41:04
are you moron or what ?? he made this interview 8 months ago not now (after 121294821984 updates)
2013-06-06 15:32:32
He didn't blame the game because he's not good at it. The game was/is just not good enough. It still has many things to be fixed.
2013-06-06 16:30:26
Exactly, I think this is something most CSS people especially cannot except. The game has problems, it still needs to be tweaked before it is at a level that 1.6 held. CSS was never tweaked to the state that 1.6 was.
2013-06-06 17:44:46
They just want a game where the skill caps limits 1.6 players from being better than them.
2013-06-10 05:55:34
problem is. ESC don't own in this game ;/
2013-06-06 16:50:05
He's getting older. Not really strange that he doesn't want to adapt to new requirements and thus get the motivation he needs. Old players go new will come, get over it. If you really think that is the ultimate proof that the game is garbage, you really must be retarded, but what to expect from someone with such a nick.
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2013-06-06 18:36:18
Neo>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>normal people>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>donkey>>>>>>>you
You don't have the ticket to judge him ultimately.
Post edited 2013-06-06 19:26:58
You don't have the ticket to judge him ultimately.
Post edited 2013-06-06 19:26:58
2013-06-06 19:24:14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WzB63CUOtc , moron.
2013-06-06 22:43:30
another saucer kid
2013-06-06 23:28:09
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-jiL4nQzK7Cw/TVOiXlHPY_I/..
2013-06-07 05:35:09
this idea of adapting, at least for me, completely misses the main point of playing pc games.
tldr csgo on the long term isnt fun.
Post edited 2013-06-07 04:02:04
tldr csgo on the long term isnt fun.
Post edited 2013-06-07 04:02:04
2013-06-07 04:01:26
Well, I sure never wanted to adapt to games at all my entire life, but I guess when it comes to professional gaming it is a different perspective and when you want to spend your time being a professional gamer you kind of must accept what is served, in this case CS.Go for neo IF he wants to stick to this type of tactical shooter. If not, well, time to step down and focus on something different. New players come and are as good as him or even better. And tbh. I tried CS.Go on the free weekend and I played it excessively, as it was so much fun, something I did not do in years of CS 1.6. Maybe due to the gap or maybe because the game is so good, can't tell, all I can say is that I really had fun playing GO.
2013-06-07 08:29:34
"..and when you want to spend your time being a professional gamer you kind of must accept what is served,"
I feel sorry for you to have that kind of perspective. I guess you're having a hard time with your life.
"And tbh. I tried CS.Go on the free weekend and I played it excessively, as it was so much fun, something I did not do in years of CS 1.6. Maybe due to the gap or maybe because the game is so good, can't tell, all I can say is that I really had fun playing GO."
No, it's due to you being owned in 1.6 for years and now have the chance to shine in a less competitive game.
I feel sorry for you to have that kind of perspective. I guess you're having a hard time with your life.
"And tbh. I tried CS.Go on the free weekend and I played it excessively, as it was so much fun, something I did not do in years of CS 1.6. Maybe due to the gap or maybe because the game is so good, can't tell, all I can say is that I really had fun playing GO."
No, it's due to you being owned in 1.6 for years and now have the chance to shine in a less competitive game.
2013-06-07 13:26:22
Just skip the trolling, wannabe. I never got "owned", neither in 1.6, 1.5, 1.4 or whatever version of CS you want to brag about. I never did or do want to shine in any game, I always just wanted to have some fun, something you obviously dont know anything about. To be very honest, I do not have a hard time at all, I am studying, I have a beautiful girlfriend, I do sports and I am having a beer now and then with my friends, and I dont want to be a professional gamer, so, not really what I would call a hard time, where did that come from and what do you have to offer?
2013-06-07 16:34:27
Wait, why do you stop? Please go on, I'm listening.
2013-06-08 07:43:21
if what he desires is the status of a professional gamer, then he will in time do what you said
if he just wants to have fun playing a game competitively (a game that he is good at), and the status of a professional gamer is just a side effect, then your perspective is wrong imo
and CS is based on people that LIKE the game. it's what internet is about.
if he just wants to have fun playing a game competitively (a game that he is good at), and the status of a professional gamer is just a side effect, then your perspective is wrong imo
and CS is based on people that LIKE the game. it's what internet is about.
2013-06-07 13:52:54
Exactly what I was planning to say to him and basically what I've been telling to these people: "why try to make (little to no) money from a game you don't enjoy?"
I guess that Volta!re guy is just in need to be a 'professional gamer' no matter what the game is. Luckily there's a noob game called CS:GO for him to achieve that.
I guess that Volta!re guy is just in need to be a 'professional gamer' no matter what the game is. Luckily there's a noob game called CS:GO for him to achieve that.
2013-06-07 15:08:48
i agree with you on that, but i dont agree with the way you taked to Volta!re. as if he has done something wrong.
"I feel sorry for you to have that kind of perspective. I guess you're having a hard time with your life"
- absolutely no need to get down to a personal level and be agressive like that.
" it's due to you being owned in 1.6 for years and now have the chance to shine in a less competitive game"
- imo a naive point of view which doesnt allow ANY 1.6 player to enjoy csgo despite how good he is in 1.6.
tldr the way you spoke to Volta!re is the best way to ruin a conversation. hfhf
Post edited 2013-06-07 15:18:29
"I feel sorry for you to have that kind of perspective. I guess you're having a hard time with your life"
- absolutely no need to get down to a personal level and be agressive like that.
" it's due to you being owned in 1.6 for years and now have the chance to shine in a less competitive game"
- imo a naive point of view which doesnt allow ANY 1.6 player to enjoy csgo despite how good he is in 1.6.
tldr the way you spoke to Volta!re is the best way to ruin a conversation. hfhf
Post edited 2013-06-07 15:18:29
2013-06-07 15:16:43
basically sAucers are wrong in general thats that
anyway look at his first post and decide what kind of conversation he was trying to make. i can take that all day 8)
Post edited 2013-06-07 15:33:25
anyway look at his first post and decide what kind of conversation he was trying to make. i can take that all day 8)
Post edited 2013-06-07 15:33:25
2013-06-07 15:21:17
Seriously, you seem to seek to be wrong on so many levels, why is that?
2013-06-07 16:35:17
What?
2013-06-08 01:42:56
Wasn't neo one of the players involved in the development of CS:GO? It seems odd that he's saying this now instead of 2 years ago.
Perhaps he's just maturing and video games aren't giving him the adrenaline they used to.
Perhaps he's just maturing and video games aren't giving him the adrenaline they used to.
2013-06-07 17:23:41
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