Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, has died of cancer
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, has died of cancer
(175 replies)
Created 2013-03-05 23:59 by: beka_b
by: ssess
#1
Blad must be sad
2013-03-05 23:59:52
Hahahaha to be honest you made me laugh.

I'm not sad, neither happy, since he was a human as everyone else. The only thing in my mind today is that finally after 14 years i can see a light at the end of the tunnel.
2013-03-06 01:31:40
by: VxO4
#69
Of what? Communism?
2013-03-06 05:01:05
End of Communism I guess.
2013-03-06 09:59:40
Communism and oppression against those that didn't follow him.

Total deaths during his government: 180.000
2013-03-06 14:29:26
lol why so many peopled died?
2013-03-06 14:51:39
because he was a brutal dictator
2013-03-06 16:41:58
stupid propaganda
2013-03-06 19:49:45
WATCH THE DOCUMENTARY CALLED THE WAR AGAINST DEMOCRACY by john pilger. Instead of sucking the dix of the rich for the dolla dolla billz yo he was like i need to sort out my shit and hook up my people with the love. Basically in all western capitalist democracy its all cream and for a socialist democracy the focus is on the ppl.
2013-03-07 08:49:38
So 180.000 people died during his time or did he killed so many without a war appearing around?
When i google that number with Chavez i end with all the stuff about 180k jobs 180k students and so on but deaths? You have to explain that not even assad in syria managed such a number that there is a huge proxy/civil war going on.
You give him the fault for any person who died during his time?

Post edited 2013-03-06 21:32:03
2013-03-06 21:31:41
he is wrong
2013-03-06 22:21:29
Dude the crime and homicide rate in venezuela is high. High in way its not acceptable anymore.
We dont have to argue about that. I know its diffulct to lower that rate in such region. There is not much the goverment can do better.

I just dont know/get it why some people blame one president for all the deaths which happend in the country. Like if someone in germany dies out of a random knife between 2 people i blame merkel for that. I just want an explination. No doubt Mr. Chavez did some wrong things like pretty much any president all around the world makes mistakes. But to say chavez killed 180.000 needs an explination that i want to hear from him. Because i dont get it.

Post edited 2013-03-06 22:50:19
2013-03-06 22:47:28
It's about regime created by him? Chavez is the father of harsh authoritarian dictatorship with which all those kind of things became routine. So he's fully responsible for that.

Hitler also didn't burn people in gas cameras by himself, heh?

Post edited 2013-03-06 23:20:55
2013-03-06 23:20:04
the father of harsh authoritarian dictatorship and i thought stalin with over 40 millions deaths was it.

Post edited 2013-03-07 05:01:22
2013-03-07 05:01:13
Yeah, he's far away more cruel than Hitler. But you've got my point.
2013-03-07 18:54:51
Well to be a dictator you need something and thats a dictatorship. In that country people voted him into power. Thats a slight difference. In that way hitler wasnt a real dictator either. Does that let him look any better for what he did? Surely not.
Just a reminder how much democracy and dictatorship have in common. If someone gets to power there is not much difference in what he can do.

I know what you mean but yeah lets talk in 10years about that again. Let's hope things get better. It looks like another deafeat for socialism

Post edited 2013-03-07 20:43:50
2013-03-07 20:41:00
The death rate since 1998 (first government of Hugo Chavez) has increased very high every year, hitting a maximum of 5.3/1000 (deaht/population) the last year.

I beg you to watch this video, which explains alot in just 30 minutes. (It's in english)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SU3kJbWG7U
2013-03-07 04:38:32
Actually thats just the deathrate in that list venezuela does pretty well with place 175. Over 170 countries do worse
http://www.globalhealthfacts.org/data/topic/map.as..

But that has not much to do with homicdes/murdering.
is 45 deaths per 100.000
Thats around 5.2% a bit higher than the us with 4.2%
http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/venezuela/homicide..
When i look around venezuela on the map every second country has such a high rate or even higher. Thats not unsual for that area with all the drugs i guess.

So thats what you wanted to say. To be honest i dont know how much influence a president can have on such a rate. Yes he can stack up social security but law enforcement cant stop deaths look at the US. They have a lot of law enforcement and the homicide rate is still the highest of the industrial countries and that by far. What you are saying is its chavez fault for not succesfully fighting against the crime. Hes one person not an army. If you tell me how chavez made it murders easier to do crime okay then. Arent guns completly banned like in mexico since 2012 and that came from chavez?
How did he helped the murders/crimes? Otherwise you cant blame him for all the deaths. He might could have done a better job of preventing it but in the end everyone can say that about pretty much any topic. You have to explain that to me. Can i blame merkel when someone kills another one with a knife a gun or even by bare hands?

Post edited 2013-03-07 05:40:07
2013-03-07 05:32:40
Did you see the video? All your questions about why i think it's Chavez fault are explained there.

If you don't want to watch it, let me know, i will try my best to explain it.
2013-03-07 05:38:53
i am only at 10mins i will watch it till the end

Post edited 2013-03-07 05:40:38
2013-03-07 05:40:24
Now i understand the situation a bit better.
But you have to remember no matter when or what you will never be able to have a crime free country. They seriously did something wrong in the prison system and that may have lead to more crime. But thats not only the mission of one man. Its the mission of a lot. And some of them like the police men are even corrupted. No wonder with all the drugs and oil it could also damage the country. legalizing some of the drugs may have been an positive impact to a greater economy. I dont know man.

I would like to close that with that statement
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detail..

Good luck in the future
And thanks for sharing
2013-03-07 07:02:50
It's like a chain. If a part of the chain is weak the rest will fail too.

The inflation of Venezuela last year was 94% when the rest of the countries barely reached 8%.

The total inflation since 1998 is of 1800%.

People work too much for what they gain here, as the policeman said in the video "We don't gain much, that's why there are many corrupted policemen".

It will take a lot of time until we finally can stabilize the crime rate and economic system.

Thank you very much for the interest of the whole situation.
2013-03-07 07:17:06
You're clearly another blind Chavez lover. WAKE UP.
2013-03-07 04:39:16
not, i vote for Capriles Radonski
2013-03-08 03:28:14
Rip
2013-03-06 00:00:15
Rest in peace, el Comandante!
2013-03-06 00:02:50
He was good among men, rip Chavez
2013-03-06 00:04:13
by: RDK-
#70
Good HUGO CHAVEZ? dude are u even aware of what happens outside of EUROPE? cuz to be honest i fully expect you to say:"NO" cuz i don't know a lot about EU but a thing I do know is that Venezuela hasn't made any fucking decent progress as a country because of this man...

The worst part is that there is a lot of people who followed Chavez' philosophy and I'm sure will try to keep his legacy alive, which only makes me think venezuelan people will get stuck with politician garbage for another decade or more.

Post edited 2013-03-06 05:02:10
2013-03-06 05:01:24
by: VxO4
#74
Maybe you should educate us because your post gives us 0 informations about the bad stuff. 0 information About progress you are talking about. I just know a few facts. Venezuela run a communism style system. Which means work for a lot of people made. Yes with goverment force. Food for a lot of people and state cheap oil. Which supports these things i mentioned above. Now i want to hear the bad site.

Hey i dont know much about that country i just watched one documentary from a media group i trust which had objective work done in the past. I mean which political system these days is perfect? Is the canadian way better? Hey i just curious. Dont take any offense. I bet any political system/ideology has its weak side.
2013-03-06 05:15:13
by: RDK-
#76
This ain't the place for a political discussion but I will tell you this the system used in NorthAmerica is quite effective and to some degree fair unlike the one implemented in Venezuela,Cuba and the likes...
2013-03-06 05:30:00
by: VxO4
#78
Well our systems in the west give anyone a lot more options/opportunities but fair? We could argue about that if we look at our celebreties and some other figures in the rich class where the intelligence doesnt really fit with the pocket. I bet you can agree to some point. But yeah you are right abou´t that. HLTV is clearly not the place to discuss such topics.
2013-03-06 05:39:34
It's an off topic thread, so, yes, it is the right place for any kind of discussion. So that's your super information about Hugo Chavez? Do you even live in Venezuela or something like that? Or you just accept everything the media tells you to?
I'm not saying Hugo Chavez was good or bad or anything (cause honestly I don't care), I'm just pointing out your stupidity.
2013-03-06 15:19:44
I do have information about the country politics and poor state since I have close acquaintances that belong there not gonna be specific since it ain't gonna make a difference who they are but with this being said if you claim yourself not to know anything about it then don't come at me saying my point isn't valid because you couldn't possibly know where I'm gathering my info from so no...its not from somewhere as shallow and incomplete as the media ;) not even interested in the topic then don't even post worthless replies kid.
2013-03-06 16:26:51
if they are in canada they are rich venezuela, typically they have a hate for chavez
2013-03-10 23:04:32
20 000 homicides in 2012
2013-03-06 17:58:41
Hu? You give a presidents fault for all the homicdes are happening? Then whats with obama then in the US? the total is over 30.000. In terms of percetange to population venezuela is a lot higher but you have to explain that to me. For any gang death you say its the presidents fault?
2013-03-06 21:38:39
chavez ruled venezuela for 13 years. having one of the two or three highest homicide rates in the world is a sign of a country being out of control, and that can of course be partially blamed on the politicians in charge. I shouldn't have to explain why that is in a wall of text (nor do I want to), so get back to me if you need a 101 lecture in society.

Post edited 2013-03-06 22:27:26
2013-03-06 22:22:51
Sad day today. This man was noble infact, and a face to the true competitors of Imperalism.
2013-03-06 00:19:41
whoa whoa whoa, Did you guys think he was a good guy, he's only killed thousands of his own country men and slaughtered everyone who disagreed with him. I've been to quatemala and even there ppl are scared to death of that man, Thank God he's gone now.
2013-03-06 00:25:43
This.
2013-03-06 00:41:59
I'm sure that he didn't kill so many people has U.S.A did in all wars you guys "created" .

RIP , and respect this man .
2013-03-06 14:06:01
your nonsense bullshit about usa killing people in all wars they created just makes me laugh, if it wasnt USA we'd never experience the 25th of April so you better get your facts straight
2013-03-06 14:43:37
Yes, because the 25th of April is the best thing it has ever happened to us. lmao
2013-03-06 14:56:55
what was it? José Socrates who doubled our public debt?
2013-03-06 16:04:14
Neither of the two.
2013-03-06 16:33:55
Well, which was the happiest episode of our country then, according to you?

The fact that you considerer the 25th of april as one regular/not that important mark in our history amazes me, I can tell you. Im not so sure if you do know whats like living in a dictatorship (Neither do I) or even what is it like when you're extremely opressed, and I seriously hope not to discover it, nor you, nor any of the post 1974 portuguese population
2013-03-06 16:38:45
25th April was an important event in our recent history, yet it has lead us to, in my honest opinion, worse political conditions. People say Salazar was horrible, despite being economically a genius, and that he promoted ignorance and was against technological improvements. Mate, I think it's safe to say that 80% of our biggest and more charismatic buildings were constructed with European Funds. People complain about the so called oppression because nowadays they feel free to say whatever comes in their minds. Sure people can read now, but they're still ignorant as fuck and I'm ashamed of the new generations. Our future is doomed.
2013-03-08 01:08:20
I agree he was a genious economically - tho in the 1940's we were everything but wealthy money wise - 'remember the Marshall Plan'. Which led to the conclusion that we needed the USA help...

All I admired in Salazar was his devotion to the nation.
2013-03-08 02:07:07
You might be right, but I refuse to believe anything that concludes some country needs help from USA. Too convenient and frequent throughout history.
2013-03-08 02:20:26
Actually it was :) the problem was some years after when we joined EU
2013-03-07 19:14:01
Good point, gotta admit :)
2013-03-08 01:03:00
If wasnt USA , prolly Europe would never had this monetary crisis . Remember one thing , the only good thing that USA made trough this years , that directly affects Portugal , was the IWW and IIWW even though they profited bilions with the money they borrowed to the reconstruction of Europe .
2013-03-06 15:02:12
Can you blame them from proffiting? Apart from that, USA contributed to our decolonization which led to the 25th of April... Furthermore, you claimed that USA killed too many people, well, we did aswell.
2013-03-06 16:07:14
Historically speaking Portugal probably killed double or triple the people that the USA as, since we are a much older nation and we where part of the crusades, discoveries and colonialism. We basically killed people from every continent except for Antarctica (maybe).
We're just bad at handling money, but we are very good at killing people.
2013-03-06 18:08:27
Thats what I ment, we killed as many people as USA did, i was just replying to anjos23's sentece

"I'm sure that he didn't kill so many people has U.S.A did in all wars you guys "created" ."
2013-03-06 20:58:22
I was just agreeing with you and reinforcing the point :)
2013-03-06 21:21:43
+1
2013-03-06 19:44:29
This thought is the imperialist advertising against the countries that dont like with them. Like abuse in afghan women, perhaps dont happen the same in Saudi Arabia? But as they are partners in business dont publish that
2013-03-06 00:53:27
This thought came from someone who lived next door to Venezuela and knew quite few of them. He starved his own ppl and stole countless millions from foreign aid to fund his career. A rigged election is no different than a dictatorship. He starved his ppl so he could run the country. The effect go well past quatemala to.
2013-03-06 02:49:48
Rigged election? Venezuelan elections are the best and most secure system, with fingerprints
2013-03-07 00:38:35
americans.
2013-03-10 23:07:47
he didnt kill as many as the imperalists killed people from latinamerica, litterally cia ruined so many countries its insane
2013-03-06 00:58:38
this.
2013-03-06 01:02:04
So it makes him less evil then. I'll kill someone one of these days, since there's Charles Manson.
2013-03-06 01:02:14
not same logic a murderer can be stopped but an imperalistic world cant.

by that, to the extent of long thinking, a murderer can be stopped. an imperalistic world cant be reversed or murdered since its the world of the world. :D

^ go to school homeboy
2013-03-06 01:04:01
All of that is sooooooooooooo subjective. Your logic, tho. And since an imperialistic world can't be reversed as you said, why is making people suffer justified? Could you explain me that? I'm not saying it is the same, just showing how wrong your logic is.

Post edited 2013-03-06 01:10:05
2013-03-06 01:09:40
no, you are incorrect. you dont understand the plain and simple logic.

A doesnt neccesarly mean B, but B can refer to A in similiaritys.

The dimension between 1000 deaths and 10000000000000000000000000000000000 deaths are probably bigger and the impact is surreal.

Think of this when you compare an imperalistic super country like USA and a little country like Venezuela.

I mean chavez wasnt as horrible as for instance Bush was, or Stalin or Hitler or anyone of those. IF you ask a venezeluan, who would u prefer, bush or chavez.

I think most would say chavez
2013-03-06 01:12:26
That was such a helpful statement for the world. Keep up the good work, lad.
2013-03-06 01:14:31
sarcasm well spotted
2013-03-06 01:15:51
Dont discuss with people who listen to TV news and newspappers. They got a science-fiction world inside their heads. Greetings.
2013-03-06 01:20:16
You have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about. Last newspaper I got in my hands was many years ago, and I don't believe in the TV either. I only believe in Venezuelan close friends who have been living there for around 8 years already. If that isn't enough, I'll fly there anytime just to show the world how Venezuelan ppl lives.
2013-03-06 01:36:06
you just got friends who are "people who listen to TV news and newspappers. They got a science-fiction world inside their heads. Greetings"
2013-03-06 01:41:57
How can you say that? Do you even know them?
2013-03-06 01:44:36
That's what you get when you're not enough mature and serious to discuss with other grown up human beings. Have a good day. And yes, that was sarcasm as well.
2013-03-06 01:36:55
LAWL, u shoot yourself. With that attitude (speaking with sarcasm) YOU show your immaturity and lack of seriousness. Read before u post.
2013-03-06 01:46:05
So discussing who killed more people, if CIA or Chavez, to establish who is better, which is as far as I concern, useless, is a serious topic to be discussed by mature human beings? Sounds more like the f0rest > Neo threads discussed by kids back in 2009.

I always read, don't think otherwise. You should do the same.
2013-03-06 01:58:15
You cleary don't know shit about SA besides newspapper/TV.
Waiting for Evo Morales worlds Departure, then Lula + 80% of Brazilians Politicians, then we'll have a better South America in every single term.

Ps: Still, R.I.P.

Post edited 2013-03-06 02:11:21
2013-03-06 02:08:16
by: VxO4
#83
Well newspapers tell us its a shithole with a way too high crimerate such as unemployment. A political system which doesn fit the west. Like the union of the BRIC states. A big drug cartel. And on the positive side: Nice for tourism/culture and landscape. Is that the correct image of SA?

Post edited 2013-03-06 05:58:16
2013-03-06 05:56:44
Crimerate - Depends on the location you live, also its quite unlucky to get robbed in serval locations, same happens in EU, 5 friends of mine got robbed and haven't been robbed here, so whatever. Unemployment rate ? Only for those who wanna things easier without fight for it. I haven't got a single month without a job in my entire life(currently soft. eng).
Answering your question, the problem is deeper then you can even imagine. We have taxes almost as higher as Sweeden ones, the governament invest about U$XXX BI on infrastructure/year, this money just desappear. Who do this ? Our governament (In case of Venezuela, Chaves) So yes, basically yes, you guys don't shit about what is really wrong here due to the fucking manipulated media.... sad but true

Post edited 2013-03-06 06:36:55
2013-03-06 06:34:57
by: VxO4
#86
Was it more than in the US with the 9 trillion US dollar from the federal reserve? I doubt it :D I just repeated what the media told me and that doesnt mean i trust it. The problems seem to be over and over again the same. And that all around the world.
Its always the same. Goverment is bad. Goverment is corrupted. Taxes are always bad and so on. Even thought the folk always votes them into office and dont want change. Hey i dont judge you. But sadly its the same thing i pretty much hear from every second country.

Post edited 2013-03-06 06:43:54
2013-03-06 06:39:31
Your Gov't doesn't take away millions and millions every month from the pension system (YES, the fucking pension system, they already broke the Federal Reserve and the Central Bank of the Republic with some other scams) to buy all the TV rights for Bundesliga? Oh well, it seems a good idea, at least we have the commercials to get the money back. NO! LETS PUT SOME PROPAGANDA! THEY WILL VOTE FOR US AGAIN IN 4 YEARS THANKS TO IT! I MEAN, WE ARE GIVING THEM FOOTBALL!

It happens in Argentina, but we don't call it Bundesliga ;P
2013-03-06 12:43:21
Okay that hurt. But thats correct again. Our goverment funds news/media agencies and these start to cut budget for educational programs to continue paying these bloody bundesliga licences.
We share a lot of problems as i mentioned. Btw its every 7 years in germany which could make it worse the damage you could do in that time. But hey in japan they vote every once in a year a new Prime Minister and they have a huge debt but yeah which country doesnt have one these days.

Post edited 2013-03-06 21:19:44
2013-03-06 21:15:18
I can't believe they are doing the same thing over there with Bundesliga. I fucking hate politicians.
2013-03-06 23:54:30
what are you talking about?

Your country has killed millions of people directly and indirectly (in many ways, even hunger)

He was wrong (everybody knows), but your country it's not a right or perfect country.

Post edited 2013-03-06 02:28:57
2013-03-06 02:28:08
Don't look at the flag ;) He is just stating it was a bad person because some or saying otherwise.

No country is perfect and we all know when a country has too much power it can be much worse with numbers then others.
2013-03-06 19:10:02
by: VxO4
#71
So where exactly is the difference to the US who scarfies thousands of soldiers to protect the so called national security. Or should i dig down into history to bring better examples?



Post edited 2013-03-06 05:04:59
2013-03-06 05:04:08
plz dude dont talk about history, u are not from the right country to talk about history. I dont hve anything against u btw ^^
2013-03-06 18:44:44
Everyone has the right to express an opinion as far as I know. If Germans don't have rights because of a crazy bastard sending millions of jews to the afterlife, better send them to the afterlife too, that would apply with your logic.

I'm so tired of people bashing Germans, wtf has Vx04 have to do with Adolf Hitler? He wasn't even German...
2013-03-06 20:41:03
still better than killing people from other countries
2013-03-06 14:44:09
R.I.P.
2013-03-06 00:47:55
everybody dies
2013-03-06 01:00:13
RIP Chavez!
2013-03-06 02:06:26
A man who loved his country, and used to hate usa, was alied with russia and china....

i probably love him
2013-03-06 02:10:38
by: :]
#197
Actually he used the money that he could use for his country to help the USA when the sandy storm hit New York.
2013-03-07 06:05:22
A man who loved his country, and used to hate usa, was alied with russia and china, and used to donate money for the poors....

i probably love him*

thanks,corrected.
2013-03-07 06:06:54
by: :]
#200
I don't love him. I'm just stating a fact that he helped USA when the sandy Storm was in New york.
You're a shitty spic brazilian troll kid whos on the internet 24/7 making up stories and threads and stalking people.

It's 3am in your country, yet you still bumping/making threads since in the morning.
I guess you dont have a life, we understand but keep the trolling to a minimum
2013-03-07 06:10:58
RIP Hugo Chavez!
Shame on those americans who say openly about Hugo's tiranism against countrymen. America is a big piece of shit, they think only about oil and resources. Fags in government. Pseudo-liberty.
2013-03-06 04:55:56
he died in december, isn't he?
2013-03-06 05:37:44
by: VxO4
#79
wiki and dozens of newspapers claim its the 5th march. Which was yesterday and in some countries still today. So you thought about someone else?

Post edited 2013-03-06 05:44:14
2013-03-06 05:41:03
he had an operation in december and nobody seen him after it so probably he was dead since last year...
2013-03-06 05:46:07
by: VxO4
#82
So who profits from that to hide a known political persons death? The goverment? In theory you could have stretched it longer. I cant follow you.

PS: he had severall operations over the years. I guess it was just a matter of time

Post edited 2013-03-06 05:51:12
2013-03-06 05:47:45
I would love to give you a lot of links about why so many people is sure that he died in December, but they're all in Spanish.

Many doctors (some were personal medics of Chavez) say that Chavez was artificially-alive since December 30th, they kept him alive and telling the people that he was recovering and being threated so the next president could gain popularity.

There were fake pictures (proof that they're fake are all over the internet) about Chavez in the hospital with his daughters smiling and talking (the day before these pictures, the goverment said that Chavez was receiving artificial respiration directlly through his trachea, how was he smiling and talking then?)
2013-03-07 04:57:10
Rest in peace
2013-03-06 08:26:20
by: BATISTUTA9 - HLTV.org
#92
Assange, what to do :(
2013-03-06 09:17:48
The low class of Venezuela love Chavez. The mid class of Europe hate chavez... #WELOVECAPITALISM!!!!! #WELOVEMASSMEDIA!!! #WELOVEROCKEFFELLER

2013-03-06 12:53:29
BANK$T3R$ !

Post edited 2013-03-06 18:04:25
2013-03-06 18:04:07
Doesn't matter what a man did and didn't do, whether he did something bad or good, everyone deserves to rest in peace.
2013-03-06 14:37:13
thats an interesting point of view
2013-03-06 14:46:18
and you are saying that because?
2013-03-06 16:24:52
cuz its not common to meet someone with that perspetive of life and death
2013-03-06 16:40:46
I have a lot of uncommon perspectives.
2013-03-06 16:43:40
Agreed! :)
2013-03-06 17:55:26
tell that to the families who got their beloved killed :)
2013-03-06 18:34:29
None of my concern that they got killed, I did not take part in it so why should I act as if I should be the scapegoat and apologize to them? Never understood this sort of thinking.
2013-03-07 08:04:11
Look at the bright side you guys who argue he was a tyran, a ditator etc, at least this will bring more cancer awereness world-wide.
2013-03-06 14:49:13
a dicktator
2013-03-08 02:09:27
Even so, theres always a bright side, hopefully.
2013-03-08 12:24:42
RIP
2013-03-06 15:00:19
a man is dead, it is a sad time for the peoples that love him. what he did in his life is not important, that life is over now.
2013-03-06 15:12:45
ye im sure the families who got members of their families killed by this man will think the same way..
2013-03-06 18:18:38
welcome to south america
2013-03-06 18:50:02
Rest in peace!
He was truly friend of Serbia.
2013-03-06 15:18:32
RIP!

fucking cancer sucks .. gotta staph smoking :|

2013-03-06 17:54:38
Yeah but remember that cancer also kills evil people and people who have caused another human's death. ;)

There is never so much gloominess that there is nothing positive.
2013-03-06 21:55:18
Much respect.
2013-03-06 18:07:43
Glad to hear that , I hope that the Venezuelan people will start to sense the feeling of peace/democracy now.
2013-03-06 18:33:34
Hugo Chavez died, Venezuela has oil. Hm... I smell USA democracy coming soon...
2013-03-06 20:28:53
Venezuela has oil

Bring democracy to it!
2013-03-06 20:39:59
thank god!
2013-03-06 20:55:33
Venezuela should be a high HDI country considering that it has a lot of mineral resources, has been independent for 200 years already and is not land locked. Too bad that stupid politicians relied too much on oil and didn't enhance other industries.

When Venezuela got shit loads of money during the 70's government should have enhanced the mining, wood, metal and food industries and also different varies of power productions. Now they have wasted hundreads of billions(at least) of money to expensive imports and haven't exported/produced even close to that amount.

Venezuela is good example how stupid politicians can miss or fuck up a great potential.
2013-03-06 21:36:51
Has saudi arabia, qater and co in the east have a high HDi/GDP?
There a examples on the african continent as well.
In terms of export and import from what i read food was always cheaper to import than making by themself. Even the goverment supported that. About resources. Well they sell their oil wood and metal. They are just more strict when big cooperations want to take more than they are allowed to be and they regualte the market with goverment force. Which i dont really support to be honest.
But is the commonwealth such a good example like canada or australia?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM3W5XBrVEA
Or as i mentioned the eastern saudi states beside united arab emirates.


Post edited 2013-03-06 21:56:41
2013-03-06 21:45:58
I know history and economical, political and geological situation of every single country on earth and I'm laughing for your show off.

"Has saudi arabia, qater(qatar*) and co in the (middle*)east have a high HDi/GDP?(what? I didnt talk about GDP because it's a shit indicator)"

Why should they have? Oh and by they way, Saudi Arabia has high HDI and Qatar has VERY HIGH HDI. Those were your good examples? Heh.

I was talking about Venezuela's economical situation all the way from the 1920's(beginning of the oil boom) to the 1980's economical collapse. You clearly don't even think when you read. You just suppose when you reply. Or you are just too ignorant about the subject. You know how world and especially Venezuela and rest South America looked back then in terms of global marketing?

I give you one tip: don't come to show off if you are not familiar with the subject. You just make yourself look stupid.
2013-03-06 22:20:16
Okay qater with 37 place is kinda high okay since its not that huge its kinda obvious easier to manage. I take that back but saudi arabia with 56? While venezuela is on 73. Come on the saudis produce nearly 5 times as much oil
In global market the region all around venezuela was never stable. That has also something to do with the crimerate and other forbidden resources like drugs. In saudi arabia you just struck it down with pure military force if some jihadist thought they had something to say and then it was over. Should i keep going with the sharia law?

To be honest i am not familiar with venezuela so thats why stop talking now as you said. But not even you had an solution beside just to trash talk it and blame the usual stuff called politics.

Post edited 2013-03-06 22:40:52
2013-03-06 22:34:51
The point in my post wasn't to give any solutions for Venezuelas current situation. I just let ignorant people know why Venezuela is where it is right now.

In fact I typoed in my first post because I meant to say that Venezuela should be a very high HDI country, not just a high HDI. (Venezuela is a high HDI country, which is because HDI is pretty inaccurate and stupid indicator as well, but still the best to use).

High HDI doesn't mean that country has a high standard of living. HDI lists the countries from #1 to #187 and every country must rank somewhere. Because of that there are countries with bad standard of living in the high HDI category.

The high HDI category is very missleading. From the eyes of a First World inhabitant at least. If you are German then I totally understand your fallacy. You look HDI rankings too much. It tells very few things about the country actually. You can't say which country is better if one is ranked as 56 and one as 73.

HDI is not a truth, it just gives a chief image of the country. I only use it by using the categories, which is smart in my opinion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_..

Okay I'm off, have a good night.
2013-03-06 23:17:06
still my country are the number one
oil producer on the world


oil = too much money = a lot of country behind us
2013-03-06 22:25:53
Too bad resources tend to exhaust. What's then?
2013-03-06 22:33:43
Unfortunately it's not, anymore. :/ It was during 1945-1960.
2013-03-06 22:35:45
RIP THE MAN
2013-03-06 21:54:47
this is so sad for my country
2013-03-06 22:22:00
Don't speak for everyone, I'm not sad at all, and many people aren't.
2013-03-06 22:54:03
Speak for yourself.

I'm not sad, finally new times are comming for our country.
2013-03-07 04:42:53
you don't know what capitalism is
it could be worse
2013-03-07 18:12:24
I haven't mentioned capitalism.
2013-03-07 19:09:52
by: aat
#172
Alot of people usually run behind what the media tells them, but the question is to the venzuelian people.

did venzuela progress any where in his time?

2013-03-06 22:39:26
No man, we didn't have any progress in all this time, It was the opposite.
2013-03-06 22:56:11
No, there's more poorness, criminals, corruption, unemployed people than before.

Chavez won't be missed.
2013-03-07 04:41:46
what is progress?
2013-03-10 23:13:32
i dont think its going to be any new venezuela.. , i mean chavismo will continue as kirchnerismo did despite of the discontent of the country
2013-03-07 06:48:50
Americans and Canadians hate Chavez cuz he hated Israel, this is the story bro
2013-03-07 06:59:07
+1
he also known as the biggest israel hater
2013-03-07 07:15:13
was*
2013-03-08 02:08:46
rip friend of Russia
2013-03-07 08:09:42
As far I know Chavez wasnt communist. He was strong patriot ,religious person, and he had some "lefty" ideas.

But his enemies foreign and native(high class, USA interests and Oil Companies) were too much for him. He tried to adopt a few Bolivarian policies but I dont know his success rate.
2013-03-07 13:58:59
finally the fucker is down
no more bin laden , no more sadam , fidel its your turn you piece of shit
2013-03-08 02:08:23
do you read this pakistan, kill him!
2013-03-08 02:15:55
Amén!
2013-03-10 06:58:09
what about dickhead berlusconi
2013-03-10 23:26:03
He was a nice guy, had balls to stand against USA... Btw communism is nt bad... Its a "coaching class" from poverty to rich.. once the country becomes rich they change to democracy... When china becomes democracy... World will kneel to them.
2013-03-08 03:16:17
ye, just go and live in Venezuela, cool to give an opinion when u are 76293423 miles away :d
2013-03-09 18:52:32
you say the same, to a bad thought for hugo?
2013-03-09 19:16:44
Lol, i was jsut talking about Communism in general :D I dono how bad or good it is implemented in Venezuala, but im sure they have a lot of OIL and USA is having an eye :D
2013-03-10 06:03:13
One little correction, if you allow. Communism is purely theoretical sh*t often used by dictators to brainwash lumpen marginals' heads and gain political power. North Korea, Vietnam, Soviet Union, whatever, commies are always the same. Everywhere. Slavery, executions, gulags...

Post edited 2013-03-10 23:07:12
2013-03-10 22:59:55
no
2013-03-10 23:16:11
"No" is invalid argument.
2013-03-10 23:19:10
what about China? Communist countries have elections too. Its not like u cannot contest in elections. But the point m trying to make is. China did what India didnt do, for the amount of diversity we have its literally impossible for communist to run the country, but if it had happened after the independance, we would have been more disciplined and powerful by now compared to China. Govt has ultimate power, no fucktard protests. .
That may sound like unipolar, but its better, If you have a team, you need a leader same goes for nation too, better to throw it all on one man than have 100 men who dont care jackshit :/
2013-03-11 02:04:21
restart and have fun
2013-03-08 05:17:14
RIP. he was considered a hero for Venezuela, not sure if his political ideas were good or not.
2013-03-08 08:18:36
he was considered a hero by some venezuelans, not all. 45% of the population voted against him 4 months ago in the elections
2013-03-09 18:52:04
and democracy is what? hahaha
2013-03-09 19:16:21
you must be quite naive if you think that jerk could allow fair elections.
2013-03-10 23:05:23
if hugo is faking an election, why have only 55% popularity? LOL, better to look to the political problems in the ukraine

Post edited 2013-03-10 23:18:12
2013-03-10 23:17:36
Well 99% would to arrogant even for him. And 55 looks like fair. Same problems we have now here, in Ukraine. My parents lived in ussr so I know what I'm talking about. Communism, job for everyone blah-blah-blah. Bullshit. Dictatorship, poverty, censorship.
2013-03-10 23:24:04
Penis.
2013-03-09 19:20:18
RIP HUGO
2013-03-10 23:27:00

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