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ClanBase NationsCup
Ukraine vs.
Spain| IP: | Match over |
| Time: | 22:30 - 8th of February |
| Game: | |
| Status: | ![]() |
| Coverage: | CB NationsCup XV |
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Map: de_inferno 18:12
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lmbt(30.8%)
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ANGE1(7.6%)
barracuda(3.5%)
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Kairi(1.7%)
FlipiN(15.1%)
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Ukraine (1)Draw (X) Spain (2) 96.53% 0.63% 2.84% |
SPAIN!
nah, don't think we have any chances vs so strong CS countries like Ukraine, Sweden, Denmark etc...
Ukraine very easy.
dunno
spain r onlinerz!
spain r onlinerz!
Ukraine very easy.
This Player Called TBA is the best one. he is so good that he has clones on each teams to give the game some pressure.
gL SPAIN!
g0 FlipiN
g0 FlipiN
SPAIN
Ukraine ofc
if it was football :DD
be proud of your country's e-sport accomplishment
Post edited 2012-02-09 13:06:25
Post edited 2012-02-09 13:06:25
Ukraine I have faith in our young members!!!!
Ukraine :)
first need see ukraine lineup...then i can something say :)
here is a man who talks good ... Not just like y'll...
SPAIN SPAIN
UKRAINE UKRAINE
ESPAÑA ESPAÑA
YKPAIHA YKPAIHA ...
U ppl first gotta c the lineup , I guess ! $:
SPAIN SPAIN
UKRAINE UKRAINE
ESPAÑA ESPAÑA
YKPAIHA YKPAIHA ...
U ppl first gotta c the lineup , I guess ! $:
Because Ukraine stronger than any line-up of Spain.
for y?
Ukraine win it easy
cause anyway:
http://www.hltv.org/news/8142-ukraines-cb-nc-xv-ro..
bigger than
http://www.hltv.org/news/8144-spain-announces-rost..
Ukraine win it easy
cause anyway:
http://www.hltv.org/news/8142-ukraines-cb-nc-xv-ro..
bigger than
http://www.hltv.org/news/8144-spain-announces-rost..
Ukraine without problems!
Ukraine will destroy Spain!
CMOOONNNN
CMOOONNNN
Like Germany did to Belarus, Like France did to Czech Republic. Do not be so sure of the outcome. Anything can happen in this game.
Bla, bla and bla...
Ukraine will get this...
Ukraine will get this...
Spaaaaaaaaaaaain!!! =)
This match will play on 12/02/12 - 20:00
as I said, this match 'll be postponed xDD
Don't lie to people. Match will be played at this time. Spain vs Latvia will be played 12/02 at 20:00 CET ;)
No, I think the match won't be played today cause spainsh players aren't able to play during the week, just the weekends. Maybe i'm mistaken (i hope) but i think that will be postponed
hahaha i'm from spain and i want Spain to lose :)
the Diablo will open his eyes and say: lol, we need more level players, and not arki@cryinetplayer
the Diablo will open his eyes and say: lol, we need more level players, and not arki@cryinetplayer
arki is fucking good wth are you on about?cool acids
GO UKRAINE!
NO PASARAN!
NO PASARAN!
Go spain, but so difficult
Go Spain.
:)
:)
Ukraine ez :S
easy for Ukraine
2-3 players from teams like Na`Vi/DTS/KerchNET = 16:0 for UKRAINE.
Ukraine easy.
spain
imbt
vad1k
barracuda
pops
blad3
Only then can spain have some chance IMO. And even then only a slight glimmer of hope.
Post edited 2012-02-08 05:06:18
vad1k
barracuda
pops
blad3
Only then can spain have some chance IMO. And even then only a slight glimmer of hope.
Post edited 2012-02-08 05:06:18
no way... that roster is strong too imo.
gl Ukraine
ua gl
Ukraine, easy.
gl Spain
That should be easy for Ukraine...
UA
It´ll so hard to spanish team, but if we win, I hope nobody say us nothing about doping.. do u know what I mean¿? :)
23:30 omg :-\
ua style go go goD"?ADASDASDASDASDARTONZDRY
28:2 for Ukraine.
gl hf =DD
i want to see msk in this line-up
#85 musamban1 playing league of legends
If you use the 'Reply' button the user will/would know you replied to him/her ;)
Info from lmbt (lineup): markeloff kucher ange1 barracuda lmbt
Post edited 2012-02-08 20:14:57
Post edited 2012-02-08 20:14:57
nice.
barracuda? he is noob imo
he>you
Doesn't matter since they have marik, angel and kucher :)
Ukrainians 100% will win over spanishes
Spaniards lol
XHIROZ PLEASE.
though here and on russki but a table is )))
http://counter-strike.place2play.ru/reports/8246
http://counter-strike.place2play.ru/reports/8246
UKRAINE CHAMPION
http://www.team-bitmotion.com/stream
Streaming of the match
Streaming of the match
GL both teams, can't really say who i think will win till i see the line ups.
ukraine vs x6 full team
markeloff - rifle
kucher -awp
kucher -awp
Spain easily
25-5 good luck [ua]
veeeeeery eazy fo Markeloffna :D
Spain WIN!
Spanish dudes, isn't you National team has one-team line-up. I mean x6tence...nope?
Yes, the whole x6 lineup is featured. I don't know why though.
ukraine go
who know lineup spain?
Which off is better?
Spain|off
Ukraine|markeloff
Choose please.
Spain|off
Ukraine|markeloff
Choose please.
no edward no starix ? :(
GL to both teams, but imo Ukraine will get this.
can someone lmk wen its live ty
markeloff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What name is Markeloff using? 6aasodjflajfel?
both teams 50 ping
hahahah great barracuda
UKRAINE - 6appakyg4btr killed ESPANYA / arki M with ak47
*** UKRAINE - 6appakyg4btr killed ESPANYA / xikii with a headshot from ak47 *
:DD
2 vs 4 fail espanol
nice round on B
What happend with xhiroz and the others boys from x6tence ?
my god lamobot awesome
holy shit man xD. Spain have 0 oportunity to win. OMG
2v5 again ahahahah
omg 2 times 2v5
AAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
nice 2v5, nice lmbt!
2v5 2nd )))
2 vs 4 - ukraine won
2 vs 5 - ukraine won
lol
2 vs 5 - ukraine won
lol
lol first spain goes and loses 2on4 situation and right after 2on5 xD epic
lol ukr won 2v4 and 2v5 + planting bomb
lol 5 vs 2
ESPANYA / oFF killed UKRAINE - MAPKEJIOB with a headshot from deagle
ahahauhauh
ahahauhauh
LOL lmbt...
omg ua what a shots?? :D nice game
lmbt so Sick!! Which team does he play for?
i think lmbt use WH.
Having kucher and markeloff in team and giving awp to lmbt, what a joke xD
+1453 :D
i think lmbt use WH
yeah and aim
lol i'm ukraine fan but i think that too
that was sarcasm;)
i know but u think lmbt is clear right ?
ofc:)
he is sick but in some situations he spray without known enemy placement
maybe because he is pro?:)
i don't think so bit only imo
lmbt is sick
2v5 x1
2v4 x2
ahahaah
2v4 x2
ahahaah
i can't belive how do they could lose rounds like 2vs5 or even now on bombstie b!! if i were spanish i would be angry on my represent team!
markeloff come on!!
it is shitty online match without prizes... and so late. i don't think he should "BE LIKE HE USUALLY IS"...
lmbt VERY STRONG, he won 2v5, 2x 2v4 and even when left alone he managed to kill 2 players, and notice that when he died first in 2 rounds then UKR lost both of those rounds very fast
EMILLLLLLLLLL
Sry for this stupid question.
Inferno is map for CT side or T side?
Inferno is map for CT side or T side?
its becoming a very balanced map imo
I see that.I know that is a Ct side map,but i have a friend who disagree my opinion. But you have right...inferno it's a balance map now.
+1
according to hltv stats CTs still have a slight advantage, but yeah its pretty balanced now
ukraine 10-9 spain
wtf markeloff? blind?
Ukraine so much luck.. ahhh... lucky team!
great story mate, keep it live!
In which teams I can see FlipiN?
Post edited 2012-02-08 23:30:56
Post edited 2012-02-08 23:30:56
x6tence
x6tence
He plays for x6tence.
markeloff 0-6 o_O
nice kairi
ukraine 11-11 spain
Nice game so far. Let's go Spain!
oh kucher... what a fail
5 players from x6tence? :S:S:S
mix of 3 teams + manager(lmbt) vs x6tence?
Am I right?
Am I right?
FlipiN is amazing
mr30 ??
gj UKRAINE
16:12 for UA
16-12 UA
uh,angel saves my bets ! :D
gg
gg! lmbt & flipin amazing today:)
ESPANYA should win this game... they had no luck..
Great Game!!
lmbt pwned T side with like 20 kills and ANG1 pwnd CT side with around 20 kills as well...
gg
gg
I love arki and flipin, awesome lmbt
gg
good teamplay from espania but ukrainians are just too strong individually
xikii out
msk in
and
barracuda out
starix in
msk in
and
barracuda out
starix in
Spain might have achieved a better result if they had played better those rounds where they had a decent player difference.
I still don't understand the lineup featured though (only players from 1 team which as far as I know is against the rules) and even if Ukraine agreed on it I would have expected a better resolution of those rounds I refered to at the beginning as there should be no lack of training of those situations by players that play together in the same team.
I still don't understand the lineup featured though (only players from 1 team which as far as I know is against the rules) and even if Ukraine agreed on it I would have expected a better resolution of those rounds I refered to at the beginning as there should be no lack of training of those situations by players that play together in the same team.
Big skill difference between ukrainians and spanish guys imo. Even in online match and team_vs_mix it was impossible for x6...
+1
I do not know if there was a big skill difference (those rounds with clear player difference in favour of Spain did not come out of nowhere nor the ongoing round exchange during most of the match) but it is true as I stated in my message that featuring a whole team lineup some situation should have been handled better.
As for playing against a mix, as far as I understand it, it is sometimes more difficult to play against a mix than against an established team as you do not really know what to expect from the former whereas from the latter more or less you already know its style.
As for playing against a mix, as far as I understand it, it is sometimes more difficult to play against a mix than against an established team as you do not really know what to expect from the former whereas from the latter more or less you already know its style.
The latter argument is absolute bullshit. Why don't pro teams just shuffle their line-up before every tournament, or why do they even bother with tactics if randomness is the key to victory?
It is 'absolute bullshit' just because you say so?
A mix is not just to 'shuffle their line-up before every tournament' nor is the key to winning 'randomness'.
What you don't seem to understand is that when you face an established team you 1) might have already played against it if it participates in the same competitions/tournaments than your team does and 2) you have a big chance to have access to demos of how those players play together and what roles they have inside the team.
Whereas when facing a mix all that info does not exist and you go into the match lacking to know what exactly to expect.
Thus, as said, the key to victory is not randomness but the lack of chances of other teams to study you.
It does not look like 'absolute bullshit' if you ask me.
A mix is not just to 'shuffle their line-up before every tournament' nor is the key to winning 'randomness'.
What you don't seem to understand is that when you face an established team you 1) might have already played against it if it participates in the same competitions/tournaments than your team does and 2) you have a big chance to have access to demos of how those players play together and what roles they have inside the team.
Whereas when facing a mix all that info does not exist and you go into the match lacking to know what exactly to expect.
Thus, as said, the key to victory is not randomness but the lack of chances of other teams to study you.
It does not look like 'absolute bullshit' if you ask me.
It's clearly isn't 'absolute bullshit,' just because you say so.
Right, let me see if I follow your argument: the key to victory is the lack of chances of other teams to study you. This is best done by changing your roster - resulting in a team against whom the enemy hasn't yet played.
??
Profit.
Yeah, that makes perfect sense. A top team should hire you as the manager!
Right, let me see if I follow your argument: the key to victory is the lack of chances of other teams to study you. This is best done by changing your roster - resulting in a team against whom the enemy hasn't yet played.
??
Profit.
Yeah, that makes perfect sense. A top team should hire you as the manager!
You tell me you are following my argument and right away you follow your own. Interesting.
Thus let me follow yours.
What happens when you do a roster change? Some players leave and others stay, right? Usually there is still a core of 2-3 players that always are the same, usually one of them being the ingame leader.
Therefore despite the changes the team wouldn't differ much after those changes.
The nature of a mix is totally different as you do not have a core or previously established lineup as an established team would have.
Therefore, as stated, yes a key that could lead to success (the team despite being a mix would still have to have chemistry after all) is that of giving the least clues to others about the way you play. And that is usually done by studying the opposing team. If that team hasn't existed previously how do you study it?
Strange that some established teams (playing with fire sometimes) do the same using the least number of strats, isn't it?
In the same way, isn't it strange that after their successful performances one of the questions asked to Na'Vi was that of the other teams now being able to study them better than previously?
There was even a big win some time back by a mix team against one of the big established teams. Guess what was one of the comments by the latter team. It is more difficult to play against a mix?
And we are talking about those established ones as you prefer to do.
Now follow my argument again. Does it make perfect sense?
Thus let me follow yours.
What happens when you do a roster change? Some players leave and others stay, right? Usually there is still a core of 2-3 players that always are the same, usually one of them being the ingame leader.
Therefore despite the changes the team wouldn't differ much after those changes.
The nature of a mix is totally different as you do not have a core or previously established lineup as an established team would have.
Therefore, as stated, yes a key that could lead to success (the team despite being a mix would still have to have chemistry after all) is that of giving the least clues to others about the way you play. And that is usually done by studying the opposing team. If that team hasn't existed previously how do you study it?
Strange that some established teams (playing with fire sometimes) do the same using the least number of strats, isn't it?
In the same way, isn't it strange that after their successful performances one of the questions asked to Na'Vi was that of the other teams now being able to study them better than previously?
There was even a big win some time back by a mix team against one of the big established teams. Guess what was one of the comments by the latter team. It is more difficult to play against a mix?
And we are talking about those established ones as you prefer to do.
Now follow my argument again. Does it make perfect sense?
I understand what you're saying and yes it makes sense, but stopping the analysis there is leaving the question only half answered and leads to an absurd conclusion.
Yes, a player change can make a team more unpredictable because now obviously another player will be taking that spot, but this is also making the team inherently weaker. And I'm not talking about chemistry, I'm talking about playing with four other players for hours every single day for months. You can replace one of them for a stronger player with whom you also have great chemistry, but at least initially you're bound to underperform because you don't know their style. It works both ways. Training isn't simply about learning to aim or working through your strats a bazillion times, it's about playing as a team.
You don't hear SK or fnatic saying: "Oh thank god Na'Vi isn't attending with a stand-in - we'd stand no chance!"
What you hear is things like mouz not making it through the group stage? Why? They recently replaced two players. Same with Winfakt. They said that they performed well DESPITE roster changes.
Why is ESC potentially the best CS team ever? Because they've (-1) been playing together for a decade. It's not making them weaker, it's making them stronger. By your argument, other teams should know each one of them inside out by now, but they don't. And ESC aren't exactly a head above everyone else when it comes to individual skill (Neo's the exception obviously).
Oh and as far as those mixes winning stuff go, yeah it happens. Anybody can have a good day, anyone can have a bad day, anyone can get lucky, etc. CS is like football, or like any other sport. There are some real sick aimers out there, not just those playing in top 10 teams. When you're hitting your shots, anything can happen.
Yes, a player change can make a team more unpredictable because now obviously another player will be taking that spot, but this is also making the team inherently weaker. And I'm not talking about chemistry, I'm talking about playing with four other players for hours every single day for months. You can replace one of them for a stronger player with whom you also have great chemistry, but at least initially you're bound to underperform because you don't know their style. It works both ways. Training isn't simply about learning to aim or working through your strats a bazillion times, it's about playing as a team.
You don't hear SK or fnatic saying: "Oh thank god Na'Vi isn't attending with a stand-in - we'd stand no chance!"
What you hear is things like mouz not making it through the group stage? Why? They recently replaced two players. Same with Winfakt. They said that they performed well DESPITE roster changes.
Why is ESC potentially the best CS team ever? Because they've (-1) been playing together for a decade. It's not making them weaker, it's making them stronger. By your argument, other teams should know each one of them inside out by now, but they don't. And ESC aren't exactly a head above everyone else when it comes to individual skill (Neo's the exception obviously).
Oh and as far as those mixes winning stuff go, yeah it happens. Anybody can have a good day, anyone can have a bad day, anyone can get lucky, etc. CS is like football, or like any other sport. There are some real sick aimers out there, not just those playing in top 10 teams. When you're hitting your shots, anything can happen.
Why should there be a further analysis if there wasn't any real question asked, at least to me.
It looked more like you were asking that question to yourself and, as for what I read, you already have an answer that convinces you.
Maybe the real question pending is that of talking about my reply making sense and I should be hired as a manager and now it makes sense (again and for real this time? lol) but you still prefer to try to make me share your argument even though I never referred to some kind of in depth analysis.
It looked more like you were asking that question to yourself and, as for what I read, you already have an answer that convinces you.
Maybe the real question pending is that of talking about my reply making sense and I should be hired as a manager and now it makes sense (again and for real this time? lol) but you still prefer to try to make me share your argument even though I never referred to some kind of in depth analysis.
You said: "As for playing against a mix, as far as I understand it, it is sometimes more difficult to play against a mix than against an established team as you do not really know what to expect from the former whereas from the latter more or less you already know its style."
See, I don't agree with that. I agree with saying that a mix is more unpredictable than a stable team against whom you've already played, but I don't think think that it's more difficult to play against them. Difficulty and predictability are two different things.
See, I don't agree with that. I agree with saying that a mix is more unpredictable than a stable team against whom you've already played, but I don't think think that it's more difficult to play against them. Difficulty and predictability are two different things.
Well, you could have stated that you don't agree with me in the first place instead of choosing to call it 'absolute bullshit'. Not the best step to be taken seriously in case you actually want to discuss something.
You are free to agree or not just like I do not agree with your opinion of a non existent relation between difficulty and predictability, in this case the lack of it thus unpredictability.
The latter strangely including the word 'difficult' in its definition by the way.
Post edited 2012-02-10 02:22:17
You are free to agree or not just like I do not agree with your opinion of a non existent relation between difficulty and predictability, in this case the lack of it thus unpredictability.
The latter strangely including the word 'difficult' in its definition by the way.
Post edited 2012-02-10 02:22:17
Yeah I put that rather bluntly, sorry. I'm just sick of hearing it as an excuse from people, after beating them / losing to them.
Basically my fundamental point is that even though it might be slightly more difficult to play against a team with player changes due to the resulting increased unpredictability, this is greatly offset by the overall decrease in their gameplay and teamwork.
The contrary would lead to an absurd conclusion in which teams would find it beneficial to change a player after each event.
Anyway, I've made my point and you've made yours :)
Basically my fundamental point is that even though it might be slightly more difficult to play against a team with player changes due to the resulting increased unpredictability, this is greatly offset by the overall decrease in their gameplay and teamwork.
The contrary would lead to an absurd conclusion in which teams would find it beneficial to change a player after each event.
Anyway, I've made my point and you've made yours :)
lmbt (37.5%)
i officially admit it - motm voting is retarded.
i officially admit it - motm voting is retarded.
arki machine!
marik 14%?
i know he is a monster but this match he barely had a kd over 1
marik 14%?
i know he is a monster but this match he barely had a kd over 1
funboys in action) markeloff was awesome in this match)
+1
markeloff man of the match O'RLY ???
markeloff man of the match O'RLY ???
As far as you know, markeloff is top1 player of 1010, top3 player of 2011 and he is one of the best players ever.
So I think, that online match doesn't matter that he is bad performed.
OH WAIT, you're fanboy of n00bish delpan... ah, now I understood your point.
So I think, that online match doesn't matter that he is bad performed.
OH WAIT, you're fanboy of n00bish delpan... ah, now I understood your point.
:DDDD n1
so no matter if he does a bad match and he gets Man of the MATCH of that match?then why there is a vote poll
so true.
he didnt deserve the mvp on the match AT ALL
he didnt deserve the mvp on the match AT ALL
gg! I wish Ukraine to rich top1.
so they are going to be rich when they reach top1?
gj mark and all team of Ukraine!
mark man of the match? ANGE1 should be
Flipin great job, awesome deagle shots.
man of the match lmbt, sick shots... IMO
mark died, more than any other player in the match.
Post edited 2012-02-09 01:42:18
man of the match lmbt, sick shots... IMO
mark died, more than any other player in the match.
Post edited 2012-02-09 01:42:18
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