ClanBase NationsCup
Ukraine vs. Spain
IP: Match over
Time:22:30 - 8th of February
Game: Counter-Strike 1.6
Status:
Coverage:CB NationsCup XV
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Map: de_inferno 18:12
voting finished
lmbt
(30.8%)
kucher
(2.3%)
markeloff
(34.9%)
ANGE1
(7.6%)
barracuda
(3.5%)
voting finished
xikii
(2.9%)
oFF
(0.6%)
arki
(0.6%)
Kairi
(1.7%)
FlipiN
(15.1%)
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PM: Ukraine
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vs Poland
26-24

vs Latvia
16-14

PM: Spain
vs Poland
5-25

vs Slovakia
10-20

vs Belgium
12-18

vs Latvia
16-14

vs Ukraine
12-18

Betting Tendency
Ukraine (1)
Draw (X)
Spain (2)

96.53%
0.63%
2.84%


by: xikaz
#1
SPAIN!
2012-02-07 01:30:13
nah, don't think we have any chances vs so strong CS countries like Ukraine, Sweden, Denmark etc...
2012-02-07 15:36:57
goodgame bro!
2012-02-08 23:41:35
Ukraine very easy.
2012-02-07 23:11:24
Ukraine very easy.
2012-02-08 12:38:44
Ukraine very easy.
2012-02-08 21:40:42
dunno
spain r onlinerz!
2012-02-08 20:09:12
TBA = very good players
2012-02-08 14:34:03
haha
2012-02-08 21:11:47
Ukraine very easy.
2012-02-08 18:32:01
This Player Called TBA is the best one. he is so good that he has clones on each teams to give the game some pressure.
2012-02-08 21:07:21
gL SPAIN!

g0 FlipiN
2012-02-07 01:34:01
wheres musamban1 ?
2012-02-08 10:01:31
retired
2012-02-08 11:25:03
musamban1 top1 in spain
2012-02-08 23:38:53
i think this match will be postponed
2012-02-07 01:45:13
barça-valencia rules? =D
2012-02-07 11:03:45
hahahaa
2012-02-07 15:33:17
hhahaha +1
2012-02-08 09:20:43
UkrAIne!
2012-02-07 02:13:46
SPAIN
2012-02-07 02:21:13
by: fRls
#6
go spain
2012-02-07 02:46:30
by: nAHK
#9
:DDDD ahhh... I think spain will win again((( ukraine no chances... :D
2012-02-07 05:37:41
Ukraine ofc
2012-02-07 09:33:24
if it was football :DD
2012-02-07 09:35:49
be proud of your country's e-sport accomplishment

Post edited 2012-02-09 13:06:25
2012-02-09 13:05:56
yeah right xD
2012-02-09 13:19:45
Ukraine I have faith in our young members!!!!
2012-02-07 09:43:12
Ukraine :)
2012-02-07 10:07:37
Ukraine ftw !
2012-02-07 11:00:05
by: d3c0
#17
first need see ukraine lineup...then i can something say :)
2012-02-07 11:00:17
here is a man who talks good ... Not just like y'll...

SPAIN SPAIN

UKRAINE UKRAINE

ESPAÑA ESPAÑA

YKPAIHA YKPAIHA ...

U ppl first gotta c the lineup , I guess ! $:
2012-02-07 13:17:22
Because Ukraine stronger than any line-up of Spain.
2012-02-07 13:36:14
Don't be so sure , I know ukraine is gonna win , but spain isn't that wasy !
2012-02-07 19:14:38
Ukraine without problems!
2012-02-07 11:06:04
Gl Spain !
2012-02-07 12:19:23
go spain =)
2012-02-07 12:29:52
18-12 Ukraine
2012-02-07 13:10:09
son of Vanga! :D
2012-02-09 13:03:37
zomg,it's was just random)

Post edited 2012-02-09 14:38:06
2012-02-09 14:32:14
2easy4 Spain!!!
gogogogo Spain
2012-02-07 13:10:25
by: C4RL
#74
lol
2012-02-08 02:13:51
spain rulzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
2012-02-07 13:33:52
Come on Ukraine!
2012-02-07 13:36:47
Ukraine will destroy Spain!
CMOOONNNN
2012-02-07 13:51:02
Like Germany did to Belarus, Like France did to Czech Republic. Do not be so sure of the outcome. Anything can happen in this game.
2012-02-07 20:35:21
Bla, bla and bla...
Ukraine will get this...
2012-02-08 12:58:55
Ukraine !!! :)
2012-02-07 14:45:12
go spain!
2012-02-07 14:55:21
Spaaaaaaaaaaaain!!! =)
2012-02-07 15:10:44
This match will play on 12/02/12 - 20:00
2012-02-07 15:16:03
as I said, this match 'll be postponed xDD
2012-02-07 15:50:58
Don't lie to people. Match will be played at this time. Spain vs Latvia will be played 12/02 at 20:00 CET ;)
2012-02-07 17:03:49
No, I think the match won't be played today cause spainsh players aren't able to play during the week, just the weekends. Maybe i'm mistaken (i hope) but i think that will be postponed
2012-02-08 00:32:37
Date is agreed (confirmed) by both teams. So it can only be postponed if some problems ;)
2012-02-08 00:36:21
Ukraine easy.
2012-02-07 15:36:01
sad, but it should be kinda easy for UKRAINE...
2012-02-07 15:36:29
Ukraine easy
2012-02-07 16:46:40
gl neighbours
2012-02-07 16:52:12
GO SPAIN :D
2012-02-07 17:08:57
hahaha i'm from spain and i want Spain to lose :)
the Diablo will open his eyes and say: lol, we need more level players, and not arki@cryinetplayer
2012-02-07 17:15:05
arki is fucking good wth are you on about?cool acids
2012-02-08 04:24:14
hahaha+1
2012-02-08 08:03:00
HAHAHAHA play against him at inet, win him and his friends, then, he'll cry ;)
2012-02-08 17:29:19
+th1nkk in Spain !!!
2012-02-08 22:43:25
well he just won a 1v3 against markeloff and his buddies,sup now?
2012-02-08 23:34:47
Go Spain!
2012-02-07 17:15:40
Ukraine =) but not easy
2012-02-07 18:06:22
Sorry, but it should be very easy for UA.
2012-02-07 23:18:03
GO UKRAINE!

NO PASARAN!
2012-02-07 18:47:10
gl spain, but ukraine better

Post edited 2012-02-07 18:59:36
2012-02-07 18:59:16
Go spain, but so difficult
2012-02-07 19:00:32
Go Spain.
:)
2012-02-07 19:42:14
markeloff into the ring
2012-02-07 19:44:02
hope so!
2012-02-07 23:17:45
Ukraine ez :S
2012-02-07 20:11:17
easy for Ukraine
2012-02-07 20:13:46
good luck neighbor!
2012-02-07 21:25:14
for so navi !
2012-02-07 22:04:58
2-3 players from teams like Na`Vi/DTS/KerchNET = 16:0 for UKRAINE.
2012-02-07 23:17:35
Ukraine easy.
2012-02-07 23:18:26
SPAIN <3
2012-02-08 00:02:36
spain
2012-02-08 01:27:34
GL SPAIN!
2012-02-08 03:56:46
imbt
vad1k
barracuda
pops
blad3

Only then can spain have some chance IMO. And even then only a slight glimmer of hope.

Post edited 2012-02-08 05:06:18
2012-02-08 05:01:58
no way... that roster is strong too imo.
2012-02-08 10:41:49
LOL
POPS and Blad3
2strong4Spain
2012-02-08 11:34:10
Spain 17-13 Ukraine
2012-02-08 05:11:26
Spain 0-30 Ukraine
2012-02-08 10:42:05
blablabla
2012-02-08 12:04:45
possible
2012-02-08 18:31:39
ahahah ok
2012-02-08 14:54:59
it gonna be hard for Spain without players like: xhiroz/MusambaN1/SIOKR/
2012-02-08 08:17:16
Easy for Nigeria
2012-02-08 08:33:43
easy for NEO
2012-02-08 08:40:14
gl Spain (not irony)

Post edited 2012-02-08 10:16:41
2012-02-08 10:16:19
gl Ukraine
2012-02-08 10:18:36
ua gl
2012-02-08 10:19:36
Ukraine, easy.
2012-02-08 10:41:12
gl Spain
2012-02-08 10:45:49
That should be easy for Ukraine...
2012-02-08 10:50:37
Very easy for Ukraine
2012-02-08 11:37:10
UA
2012-02-08 12:15:12
musambaN1 !
2012-02-08 12:55:38
RETIRED
2012-02-08 17:45:59
Ukraine and no others!
2012-02-08 13:38:52
It´ll so hard to spanish team, but if we win, I hope nobody say us nothing about doping.. do u know what I mean¿? :)
2012-02-08 15:21:04
Ukraine, very easy.
2012-02-08 15:37:09
23:30 omg :-\
2012-02-08 16:26:29
22:30
2012-02-08 16:27:18
In our time - 23:30 :(
2012-02-08 17:12:34
lmbt
Kucher
markeloff
ANGE1
barracuda
2012-02-08 16:36:28
really this team?
2012-02-08 16:41:20
Hello from Donetsk:)
2012-02-08 17:52:54
TBA stand for? i dont exactly know what abbreviation is?
2012-02-08 16:47:10
to be announced.
2012-02-08 17:33:35
Ukraine line-up:

lmbt
Kucher
markeloff
ANGE1
barracuda
2012-02-08 17:47:45
Spain Very East team : UKRAINE gl GOGOGO the best of the best
2012-02-08 18:13:28
ua style go go goD"?ADASDASDASDASDARTONZDRY
2012-02-08 18:22:49
28:2 for Ukraine.
2012-02-08 18:32:18
24-6 4 Ukraine :), but gl Spain
2012-02-08 19:04:41
gl hf =DD
2012-02-08 19:14:15
i want to see msk in this line-up
2012-02-08 19:15:53
#85 musamban1 playing league of legends
2012-02-08 19:16:33
by: Jonathan E. - HLTV.org
#157
If you use the 'Reply' button the user will/would know you replied to him/her ;)
2012-02-08 20:32:55
Barca easy
2012-02-08 19:44:08
Norway always crying :D
2012-02-08 19:47:53
i think spain
2012-02-08 19:53:47
GL Ukraine!

Post edited 2012-02-08 20:10:17
2012-02-08 20:08:58
Info from lmbt (lineup): markeloff kucher ange1 barracuda lmbt

Post edited 2012-02-08 20:14:57
2012-02-08 20:14:46
nice.
2012-02-08 20:22:57
barracuda? he is noob imo
2012-02-08 20:40:02
he>you
2012-02-08 20:42:02
Doesn't matter since they have marik, angel and kucher :)
2012-02-08 20:43:50
agree
2012-02-08 21:12:34
GL Ukraine :)
2012-02-08 20:40:27
Ukrainians 100% will win over spanishes
2012-02-08 20:59:31
Spaniards lol
2012-02-08 21:00:53
XHIROZ PLEASE.
2012-02-08 21:00:14
though here and on russki but a table is )))
http://counter-strike.place2play.ru/reports/8246
2012-02-08 21:01:58
UKRAINE CHAMPION
2012-02-08 21:10:01
ofc Ua :)
2012-02-08 21:10:02
GL spain
2012-02-08 21:22:50
UKRAINE GO GO GO !
2012-02-08 21:23:33
kucher, markeloff, ANGE1, barracuda, lmbt - Ua roster
2012-02-08 21:28:59
Need win!
2012-02-08 21:32:37
Why doesn't Rahim stream anymore?
2012-02-08 21:37:26
I dont know
2012-02-08 21:38:13
http://www.team-bitmotion.com/stream
Streaming of the match
2012-02-08 21:38:35
GL both teams, can't really say who i think will win till i see the line ups.
2012-02-08 21:39:17
lmbt
Kucher
markeloff
ANGE1
barracuda

easy UA
2012-02-08 21:42:55
ukraine vs x6 full team
2012-02-08 21:52:00
by: Jonathan E. - HLTV.org
#200
Not possible as in CB there is a limit of 4 max from the same team in the lineup.
2012-02-08 22:02:58
but they are all from x6
2012-02-08 22:07:56
by: Jonathan E. - HLTV.org
#208
Then Team Spain don't know the rules very well indeed.
2012-02-08 22:15:21
what could happen to them?
2012-02-08 22:35:06
by: Jonathan E. - HLTV.org
#224
Team Ukraine could protest I presume.
2012-02-08 22:40:05
Where will I be able to see the replay of the match?
2012-02-08 21:54:48
by: Jonathan E. - HLTV.org
#201
A solid option is the HLTV demo.
2012-02-08 22:03:34
easy 4 markeloff
2012-02-08 21:55:09
markeloff - rifle
kucher -awp
2012-02-08 21:56:04
Spain easily
2012-02-08 21:58:26
25-5 good luck [ua]
2012-02-08 21:59:19
http://www.virtuspro.org/stream/?ELEMENT_IDr=22146

Russian Stream
2012-02-08 21:59:29
this is the one i've been looking for
2012-02-08 22:21:19
Without chances
2012-02-08 22:00:23
veeeeeery eazy fo Markeloffna :D
2012-02-08 22:04:25
Spain WIN!
2012-02-08 22:09:51
UA Easy! :D
2012-02-08 22:10:43
Spanish dudes, isn't you National team has one-team line-up. I mean x6tence...nope?
2012-02-08 22:11:24
by: Jonathan E. - HLTV.org
#215
Yes, the whole x6 lineup is featured. I don't know why though.
2012-02-08 22:24:34
ukraine go
2012-02-08 22:14:03
who know lineup spain?
2012-02-08 22:17:43
Lineup: Spain
xikii
oFF
arki
Kairi
FlipiN
2012-02-08 22:19:17
thx!
2012-02-08 22:21:38
by: eHe
#216
GreatFrag streaming ?

2012-02-08 22:26:16
Which off is better?

Spain|off
Ukraine|markeloff

Choose please.
2012-02-08 22:26:42
x'DD markeloooooooooooooooooooofffffffff ofc!<3
2012-02-08 22:32:58
ofc UKRAINE - MAPKEJIOB
2012-02-08 22:36:55
markeloff cidden
2012-02-08 23:48:43
no edward no starix ? :(
2012-02-08 22:28:04
Spain can take it !
2012-02-08 22:31:38
GL to both teams, but imo Ukraine will get this.
2012-02-08 22:39:39
can someone lmk wen its live ty
2012-02-08 22:41:37
its live
2012-02-08 22:55:10
ty good sir <3
2012-02-08 22:57:40
MARK!
2012-02-08 22:46:51
markeloff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2012-02-08 22:50:19
didnt knew that 5 players from same team could play
2012-02-08 22:52:35
What name is Markeloff using? 6aasodjflajfel?
2012-02-08 22:54:17
he's using the one that says markelov. the one you're referring to says barracuda
2012-02-08 22:59:46
6appakyg4btr it's actually barracuda in leetspeak.
2012-02-08 23:06:30
so p=r?LOL!
2012-02-09 00:05:27
I'm talking about Cyrillic alphabet, yes our P = your R.
2012-02-09 00:07:57
lol . /
2012-02-09 00:52:58
both teams 50 ping
2012-02-08 22:54:34
hahahah great barracuda
2012-02-08 23:02:49

UKRAINE - 6appakyg4btr killed ESPANYA / arki M with ak47
*** UKRAINE - 6appakyg4btr killed ESPANYA / xikii with a headshot from ak47 *

:DD
2012-02-08 23:03:09
2 vs 4 fail espanol
2012-02-08 23:04:38
lmbt really good
2012-02-08 23:04:39
2 vs 5
nice
2012-02-08 23:04:50
nice round on B
2012-02-08 23:04:52
v 5 !
2012-02-08 23:04:56
HOLLY SHIT... WHAT WAS THAT? UKRAINE AMAZING!!!!!
2012-02-08 23:04:59
What happend with xhiroz and the others boys from x6tence ?
2012-02-08 23:05:33
my god lamobot awesome
2012-02-08 23:06:11
holy shit man xD. Spain have 0 oportunity to win. OMG
2012-02-08 23:06:16
2v5 again ahahahah
2012-02-08 23:06:22
omg 2 times 2v5
2012-02-08 23:06:29
lol lmbt n1 reflex
2012-02-08 23:06:31
AAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
2012-02-08 23:06:32
nice 2v5, nice lmbt!
2012-02-08 23:06:33
amazing 2 vs 5 two in row
2012-02-08 23:06:35
2v5 2nd )))
2012-02-08 23:06:38
2 vs 4 - ukraine won

2 vs 5 - ukraine won

lol
2012-02-08 23:06:38
Ukraine 2v5 x2times. Spain loosing rounds unecessary.
2012-02-08 23:06:45
lol first spain goes and loses 2on4 situation and right after 2on5 xD epic
2012-02-08 23:06:58
lol ukr won 2v4 and 2v5 + planting bomb
2012-02-08 23:06:59
lol 5 vs 2
2012-02-08 23:07:02
Seriously Spain, try to put some fight now.
2012-02-08 23:07:03
ESPANYA / oFF killed UKRAINE - MAPKEJIOB with a headshot from deagle

ahahauhauh
2012-02-08 23:07:24
It's lovely how they loose 5vs2 4vs2
2012-02-08 23:07:47
always
2012-02-08 23:09:28
LOL lmbt...
2012-02-08 23:08:21
omg ua what a shots?? :D nice game
2012-02-08 23:08:22
lmbt so Sick!! Which team does he play for?
2012-02-08 23:09:43
he is DTS's manager and sometimes play for m1x team selectah
2012-02-08 23:11:59
ty :D
2012-02-09 17:17:50
So funny how much online players differ from lan players.
2012-02-08 23:09:46
i think lmbt use WH.
2012-02-08 23:10:06
+3000000
2012-02-08 23:14:15
serius ?
2012-02-08 23:16:24
Ukraine is a better
2012-02-08 23:10:54
kairi nice awp skills
2012-02-08 23:12:49
Having kucher and markeloff in team and giving awp to lmbt, what a joke xD
2012-02-08 23:13:05
+1453 :D
2012-02-08 23:19:24
i think lmbt use WH
2012-02-08 23:14:02
yeah and aim
2012-02-08 23:15:06
lol i'm ukraine fan but i think that too
2012-02-08 23:17:04
that was sarcasm;)
2012-02-08 23:17:42
i know but u think lmbt is clear right ?
2012-02-08 23:20:16
ofc:)
2012-02-08 23:21:01
he is sick but in some situations he spray without known enemy placement
2012-02-08 23:24:20
maybe because he is pro?:)
2012-02-08 23:27:58
i don't think so bit only imo
2012-02-08 23:28:31
you mad... he is f*ckin oldschool player. he is IGL and he always play at all lan events. He was IGL of KerchNET. Stop saying that trollish shit.
2012-02-08 23:30:27
ok sry.I don't know nothing about him
2012-02-08 23:39:02
He isn't cheater, he is truly lan player.

Post edited 2012-02-08 23:40:54
2012-02-08 23:40:12
now i know that.
2012-02-09 00:00:20
spain is putting up a fight after all :)
2012-02-08 23:14:38
lmbt is sick
2012-02-08 23:16:40
imbt nice playing this round.
2012-02-08 23:16:47
2v5 x1
2v4 x2
ahahaah
2012-02-08 23:16:48
another 2v4 lost
2012-02-08 23:16:56
i can't belive how do they could lose rounds like 2vs5 or even now on bombstie b!! if i were spanish i would be angry on my represent team!
2012-02-08 23:17:45
ukraine 8-0 spain
ukraine 9-6 spain

nice spain!

lmbt 18-9
markeloff 10-13

lol
2012-02-08 23:18:54
online
2012-02-08 23:28:05
markeloff come on!!
2012-02-08 23:19:24
it is shitty online match without prizes... and so late. i don't think he should "BE LIKE HE USUALLY IS"...
2012-02-08 23:29:04
it should be 9:6 for ESPANYA... is 9:6 for UKRAINE ;(
2012-02-08 23:19:27
lmbt VERY STRONG, he won 2v5, 2x 2v4 and even when left alone he managed to kill 2 players, and notice that when he died first in 2 rounds then UKR lost both of those rounds very fast
2012-02-08 23:19:31
EMILLLLLLLLLL
2012-02-08 23:20:49
Sry for this stupid question.
Inferno is map for CT side or T side?
2012-02-08 23:22:25
CT
2012-02-08 23:22:54
its becoming a very balanced map imo
2012-02-08 23:23:25
I see that.I know that is a Ct side map,but i have a friend who disagree my opinion. But you have right...inferno it's a balance map now.
2012-02-08 23:24:37
+1
2012-02-08 23:25:17
according to hltv stats CTs still have a slight advantage, but yeah its pretty balanced now
2012-02-08 23:26:20
Yes,but this slight advantage it's only in lan games.Online i see that it's verry balance.
2012-02-08 23:27:57
imo the side advantage applies mostly when both teams are on a similar level
2012-02-08 23:29:38
+1
2012-02-08 23:30:43
9-9 ^^ :)
2012-02-08 23:24:05
ukraine 10-9 spain
2012-02-08 23:24:47
wtf markeloff? blind?
2012-02-08 23:25:42
FlipiN is great!
2012-02-08 23:26:30
Ukraine so much luck.. ahhh... lucky team!
2012-02-08 23:26:36
great story mate, keep it live!
2012-02-08 23:27:27
In which teams I can see FlipiN?

Post edited 2012-02-08 23:30:56
2012-02-08 23:28:32
x6tence
2012-02-08 23:30:38
hmm...where did he play about 3-5 years ago?)
2012-02-08 23:35:29
ye
2012-02-08 23:38:56
x6
2012-02-08 23:30:41
x6tence
2012-02-08 23:30:49
by: Jonathan E. - HLTV.org
#332
He plays for x6tence.
2012-02-08 23:31:11
markeloff 0-6 o_O
2012-02-08 23:29:01
online match...
2012-02-08 23:31:00
still 0-6 i bad against spain
2012-02-08 23:35:11
don't think so.
2012-02-08 23:39:00
do u really think he cares?:D
2012-02-08 23:40:03
+1
2012-02-08 23:42:05
that wasnt the point. I gave my point to "online match"
2012-02-09 00:22:52
nice kairi
2012-02-08 23:29:06
ukraine 11-11 spain
2012-02-08 23:30:26
markeloff like messi :D
2012-02-08 23:30:29
Nice game so far. Let's go Spain!
2012-02-08 23:31:06
isnt this the wholel ineup from x6?oO
2012-02-08 23:31:59
yes
2012-02-08 23:34:47
spain show very good game
2012-02-08 23:32:12
tight match
2012-02-08 23:32:49
oh kucher... what a fail
2012-02-08 23:34:37
Nice 1v3 very important round
2012-02-08 23:34:54
5 players from x6tence? :S:S:S
2012-02-08 23:34:57
lol angel and filipN great job
2012-02-08 23:36:42
GO SPAIN!
2012-02-08 23:36:52
hahaha flipin ;DD
2012-02-08 23:36:59
TEAM SPAIN vs MIX UKRAINE
2012-02-08 23:37:07
mix of 3 teams + manager(lmbt) vs x6tence?

Am I right?
2012-02-08 23:37:40
Yeah
2012-02-08 23:38:53
you are right but this x6 isnt like the old x6 with xhiroz and musamban1.

now topmix >x6 , but nice try.

Post edited 2012-02-08 23:41:51
2012-02-08 23:41:02
the end.
2012-02-08 23:38:30
great game
2012-02-08 23:38:35
FlipiN is amazing
2012-02-08 23:38:37
mr30 ??
2012-02-08 23:38:38
nice match
2012-02-08 23:38:43
gg, nice comeback from spain :)
2012-02-08 23:38:47
gj UKRAINE
2012-02-08 23:38:48
16 - 11 ?
2012-02-08 23:38:49
gg great game !
2012-02-08 23:38:51
16:12 for UA
2012-02-08 23:38:52
16-12 UA
2012-02-08 23:38:52
uh,angel saves my bets ! :D
2012-02-08 23:38:54
it was interesting match
2012-02-08 23:38:56
16:12
2012-02-08 23:38:59
score?
2012-02-08 23:39:02
gg
2012-02-08 23:39:04
gj ukrain strong game from spain
2012-02-08 23:39:05
gg! lmbt & flipin amazing today:)
2012-02-08 23:39:09
16;12
2012-02-08 23:39:13
ESPANYA should win this game... they had no luck..
2012-02-08 23:39:15
with atleast 2 times loosing 5vs2, they dont deserve to win this game.
2012-02-08 23:41:15
Well played Spain but Ukraine is just too fucking good. Wow!
2012-02-08 23:39:19
Great Game!!
2012-02-08 23:39:23
lmbt pwned T side with like 20 kills and ANG1 pwnd CT side with around 20 kills as well...

gg
2012-02-08 23:39:37
I love arki and flipin, awesome lmbt
2012-02-08 23:40:00
markeloff played very bad in this match.
*ONLINE*
2012-02-08 23:40:10
gg
2012-02-08 23:40:29
good teamplay from espania but ukrainians are just too strong individually
2012-02-08 23:41:03
spain didnt play as team with x6 tactics.
2012-02-08 23:45:28
roflmao
2012-02-08 23:53:47
xikii out
msk in

and

barracuda out
starix in
2012-02-08 23:41:24
I disagree, barracuda played not bad
2012-02-09 06:34:42
markeloff (14.3%)

facepalm.jpg
2012-02-08 23:42:32
2nd neo i think :D
2012-02-08 23:43:39
Nice MYR 1v1 at the end.
2012-02-08 23:43:13
by: Jonathan E. - HLTV.org
#391
Spain might have achieved a better result if they had played better those rounds where they had a decent player difference.

I still don't understand the lineup featured though (only players from 1 team which as far as I know is against the rules) and even if Ukraine agreed on it I would have expected a better resolution of those rounds I refered to at the beginning as there should be no lack of training of those situations by players that play together in the same team.
2012-02-08 23:45:11
Big skill difference between ukrainians and spanish guys imo. Even in online match and team_vs_mix it was impossible for x6...
2012-02-08 23:48:51
+1
2012-02-08 23:49:28
by: Jonathan E. - HLTV.org
#402
I do not know if there was a big skill difference (those rounds with clear player difference in favour of Spain did not come out of nowhere nor the ongoing round exchange during most of the match) but it is true as I stated in my message that featuring a whole team lineup some situation should have been handled better.

As for playing against a mix, as far as I understand it, it is sometimes more difficult to play against a mix than against an established team as you do not really know what to expect from the former whereas from the latter more or less you already know its style.
2012-02-09 00:00:04
The latter argument is absolute bullshit. Why don't pro teams just shuffle their line-up before every tournament, or why do they even bother with tactics if randomness is the key to victory?
2012-02-09 01:40:02
by: Jonathan E. - HLTV.org
#441
It is 'absolute bullshit' just because you say so?

A mix is not just to 'shuffle their line-up before every tournament' nor is the key to winning 'randomness'.

What you don't seem to understand is that when you face an established team you 1) might have already played against it if it participates in the same competitions/tournaments than your team does and 2) you have a big chance to have access to demos of how those players play together and what roles they have inside the team.
Whereas when facing a mix all that info does not exist and you go into the match lacking to know what exactly to expect.

Thus, as said, the key to victory is not randomness but the lack of chances of other teams to study you.

It does not look like 'absolute bullshit' if you ask me.
2012-02-09 22:20:43
It's clearly isn't 'absolute bullshit,' just because you say so.

Right, let me see if I follow your argument: the key to victory is the lack of chances of other teams to study you. This is best done by changing your roster - resulting in a team against whom the enemy hasn't yet played.

??

Profit.

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. A top team should hire you as the manager!
2012-02-09 23:49:49
by: Jonathan E. - HLTV.org
#443
You tell me you are following my argument and right away you follow your own. Interesting.

Thus let me follow yours.
What happens when you do a roster change? Some players leave and others stay, right? Usually there is still a core of 2-3 players that always are the same, usually one of them being the ingame leader.
Therefore despite the changes the team wouldn't differ much after those changes.

The nature of a mix is totally different as you do not have a core or previously established lineup as an established team would have.

Therefore, as stated, yes a key that could lead to success (the team despite being a mix would still have to have chemistry after all) is that of giving the least clues to others about the way you play. And that is usually done by studying the opposing team. If that team hasn't existed previously how do you study it?
Strange that some established teams (playing with fire sometimes) do the same using the least number of strats, isn't it?

In the same way, isn't it strange that after their successful performances one of the questions asked to Na'Vi was that of the other teams now being able to study them better than previously?
There was even a big win some time back by a mix team against one of the big established teams. Guess what was one of the comments by the latter team. It is more difficult to play against a mix?

And we are talking about those established ones as you prefer to do.

Now follow my argument again. Does it make perfect sense?
2012-02-10 01:19:49
I understand what you're saying and yes it makes sense, but stopping the analysis there is leaving the question only half answered and leads to an absurd conclusion.

Yes, a player change can make a team more unpredictable because now obviously another player will be taking that spot, but this is also making the team inherently weaker. And I'm not talking about chemistry, I'm talking about playing with four other players for hours every single day for months. You can replace one of them for a stronger player with whom you also have great chemistry, but at least initially you're bound to underperform because you don't know their style. It works both ways. Training isn't simply about learning to aim or working through your strats a bazillion times, it's about playing as a team.

You don't hear SK or fnatic saying: "Oh thank god Na'Vi isn't attending with a stand-in - we'd stand no chance!"

What you hear is things like mouz not making it through the group stage? Why? They recently replaced two players. Same with Winfakt. They said that they performed well DESPITE roster changes.

Why is ESC potentially the best CS team ever? Because they've (-1) been playing together for a decade. It's not making them weaker, it's making them stronger. By your argument, other teams should know each one of them inside out by now, but they don't. And ESC aren't exactly a head above everyone else when it comes to individual skill (Neo's the exception obviously).

Oh and as far as those mixes winning stuff go, yeah it happens. Anybody can have a good day, anyone can have a bad day, anyone can get lucky, etc. CS is like football, or like any other sport. There are some real sick aimers out there, not just those playing in top 10 teams. When you're hitting your shots, anything can happen.
2012-02-10 01:40:07
by: Jonathan E. - HLTV.org
#445
Why should there be a further analysis if there wasn't any real question asked, at least to me.
It looked more like you were asking that question to yourself and, as for what I read, you already have an answer that convinces you.

Maybe the real question pending is that of talking about my reply making sense and I should be hired as a manager and now it makes sense (again and for real this time? lol) but you still prefer to try to make me share your argument even though I never referred to some kind of in depth analysis.
2012-02-10 01:53:49
You said: "As for playing against a mix, as far as I understand it, it is sometimes more difficult to play against a mix than against an established team as you do not really know what to expect from the former whereas from the latter more or less you already know its style."

See, I don't agree with that. I agree with saying that a mix is more unpredictable than a stable team against whom you've already played, but I don't think think that it's more difficult to play against them. Difficulty and predictability are two different things.
2012-02-10 02:03:34
by: Jonathan E. - HLTV.org
#447
Well, you could have stated that you don't agree with me in the first place instead of choosing to call it 'absolute bullshit'. Not the best step to be taken seriously in case you actually want to discuss something.

You are free to agree or not just like I do not agree with your opinion of a non existent relation between difficulty and predictability, in this case the lack of it thus unpredictability.
The latter strangely including the word 'difficult' in its definition by the way.

Post edited 2012-02-10 02:22:17
2012-02-10 02:21:40
Yeah I put that rather bluntly, sorry. I'm just sick of hearing it as an excuse from people, after beating them / losing to them.

Basically my fundamental point is that even though it might be slightly more difficult to play against a team with player changes due to the resulting increased unpredictability, this is greatly offset by the overall decrease in their gameplay and teamwork.
The contrary would lead to an absurd conclusion in which teams would find it beneficial to change a player after each event.

Anyway, I've made my point and you've made yours :)
2012-02-10 02:32:51
lmbt (37.5%)
i officially admit it - motm voting is retarded.
2012-02-08 23:46:02
Yeah, Markeloff really doesn't deserve all of those votes for that game.
2012-02-09 01:41:04
arki machine!

marik 14%?
i know he is a monster but this match he barely had a kd over 1
2012-02-08 23:46:13
MarkelOFF
flipin in
2012-02-08 23:50:01
FlipiN was great!
2012-02-09 00:05:28
lmbt(28.6%)
markeloff(37.1%)

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2012-02-08 23:51:51
funboys in action) markeloff was awesome in this match)
2012-02-08 23:57:40
+1

markeloff man of the match O'RLY ???
2012-02-09 00:01:52
As far as you know, markeloff is top1 player of 1010, top3 player of 2011 and he is one of the best players ever.

So I think, that online match doesn't matter that he is bad performed.


OH WAIT, you're fanboy of n00bish delpan... ah, now I understood your point.
2012-02-09 00:05:02
:DDDD n1
2012-02-09 00:23:09
so no matter if he does a bad match and he gets Man of the MATCH of that match?then why there is a vote poll
2012-02-09 00:54:13
so true.
he didnt deserve the mvp on the match AT ALL
2012-02-09 01:54:49
by: wmR
#425
whats ur point ? what is the connection between match performance and his top1 in "1010" and top3 in 2011 ? and how could you call "n00bish" someone who won the largest number of tournament in 2011 ?and how could you post that bullshit here ?:)
2012-02-09 06:09:31
fUnboys? youre FUN BOY dude.
2012-02-09 00:03:42
gg! I wish Ukraine to rich top1.
2012-02-09 00:03:15
so they are going to be rich when they reach top1?
2012-02-09 02:21:53
He meant "reach", not rich :). Everyone can make a mistake.
2012-02-09 12:43:18
ty
2012-02-10 22:02:45
gj mark and all team of Ukraine!
2012-02-09 00:19:18
gg
2012-02-09 00:25:51
mark man of the match? ANGE1 should be
2012-02-09 00:54:30
Flipin great job, awesome deagle shots.
man of the match lmbt, sick shots... IMO
mark died, more than any other player in the match.

Post edited 2012-02-09 01:42:18
2012-02-09 01:41:23
Spain players are all from x6tence?
2012-02-09 03:26:54
yes
2012-02-09 06:37:16

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