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Loord slams ESC mates, CS:GO
Time: 2013-08-01 17:32
Game: Counter-Strike: Global Offensive

Former ESC Gaming member Mariusz "Loord" Cybulski has commented via his Facebook page on his departure from the team and also the current state of CS:GO.

The Polish veteran announced last month that he was retiring from gaming, this way confirming rumours about the breakup of the 'Golden Five, one of the most successful teams in the history of Counter-Strike, with three WCG titles to their name.

It had long been suspected that the atmosphere in the team was far from optimal, and the recent financial problems and lack of silverware in CS:GO only worsened the situation.

Loord very critical of his former team  

Cybulski has now criticised the way his team-mates treated him along the road, saying that the only player who acknowledged all he did was Filip "Neo" Kubski.

"If people that you played with for seven years, people that you spent more time with than with your family, treated you like they treated me, you would have done the same," he wrote on Facebook.

"The only person that has thanked me for everything I did for the team was Neo, who I personally have nothing against because he worked hard to be where he is now.

"Simply put, he had the talent, and that is why he is where he is now. He earned his position in the scene and the team, unlike some players who were destroying the team from the start and trying to shape themselves as superstars, appearing in every possible interview that there was."

This last remark is a jibe at Wiktor "TaZ" Wojtas, whom Cybulski partially holds responsible for the internal problems in the team.

"Was there a need to replace LUq with pasha? We had won five major tournaments in three years with LUq, while with pasha we only won two in the same amount of time," he continues.

"Who do you think that is responsible for all the changes in the team?"

Cybulski went on to discuss the notion that he was the weakest link in the team, stressing that unlike some of his team-mates, he was not obsessed with statistics.

"I did not change my playng style because I was tired of it, I changed it because some players on oru team were talking about statistics behind our back!," he added.

"I did not want to be a star, I was focused on winning. As you can see now... it was a big mistake."

During the early months of CS:GO, several ESC players publicly admitted that they did not enjoy playing the game, and Cybulski has now declared that he does not think the successor to 1.6 will last long.

"We took pleasure in playing 1.6, but CS:GO is a completely different story, we played it just because everyone was switching and because there were tournaments, prize money and the opportunity to compete," he explained.

"There was no pleasure. Why do you think that some players in our team started to focus on creating their own personal projectcs rather than on winning tournaments?

CS:GO is not the future. Just look at our scene. How many teams do we have in Poland? Two, three?

"Valve devotes its full attention to Dota 2 to rival LoL. 400,000 players play Dota 2, while CS:GO has like 30,000 players.

"Citing [ESL chief] Carmac at IEM Katowice, 'if you want to play CS:GO think of it as a pleasure and not as something serious'".

2013-08-01 17:31:13
2013-08-01 17:32:14
GO is dying
2013-08-01 17:34:16
new Generation is coming just stfu :|
2013-08-01 19:36:47
CS dying*
2013-08-02 19:19:29
2013-08-01 17:34:21
stich - HLTV.org
I'm glad you guys published this actually--some might complain that it's a little in the tabloid direction, but there was too much going on on FB to ignore this whole altercation.

On a separate note, it really hurts my heart to read this :/
2013-08-01 17:34:22
then u should go outside and look at the sun some
2013-08-01 19:54:03
stich - HLTV.org
2013-08-01 20:47:07
CS:GO side effect ... it's going to die anyway !

Post edited 2013-08-01 17:35:24
2013-08-01 17:34:23
we tried though :/
2013-08-01 17:37:24
i still believe in it's death :p
2013-08-01 17:43:44
cause ur retarded. nothing more to say.
2013-08-01 23:51:05
Oww, the forever alone boy is here, but sorry, go look for a friend somewhere else, little prince of tards
2013-08-02 12:12:06
when was it alive.
CS;GO attracted ppl cuz of name rather then valors of a game.( that it was a well made game)
2013-08-01 18:20:25
"CS;GO attracted ppl cuz of name rather then valors of a game.( that it was a well made game)"

2013-08-01 18:39:03
poland/brazil that says everything XD
2013-08-01 23:51:47
It seems like you have a distorced view about my country, it's not poor and not everybody here is poor, our main problem is the inequality, there are those extremely rich and those extremely poor, I'm in none of these two classes, but I'm completely able to afford a PC good enough to run CSGO
2013-08-02 00:07:49
Its the same in every country... and btw i meant about the scene... and not about the money. In brazil everyone is still playing 1.6 and theres no scene so most likely you wont like csgo if noone there plays it...
same in poland.. poland had huge scene in 1.6 but in csgo its a total crap.
2013-08-02 00:52:51
yeah, agreed
2013-08-02 01:53:49
Agreed 100% =)
2013-08-02 14:44:12
Don't know about Poland though
2013-08-02 00:08:07
Slovanian ... -,-'

Post edited 2013-08-02 12:15:30
2013-08-02 12:14:13
u mean Slovenian? (facepalm)
2013-08-02 14:51:09
atleast you know the meaning ... nice
2013-08-02 15:10:11

Post edited 2013-08-01 17:34:34
2013-08-01 17:34:26
"players on oru team were talking about "
our* fix :)
2013-08-01 17:34:44
stich - HLTV.org
*also creating their own personal projectcs
2013-08-01 17:36:29
also "my playng style"
2013-08-01 17:48:22
they can't change the spelling since it's quoted

Post edited 2013-08-01 18:36:44
2013-08-01 18:36:25
they translated it from polish to english
2013-08-01 18:41:38
Oh sorry, thought Loord posted that in English :)
2013-08-01 18:44:01
CS:GO is not the future. Just look at our scene. How many professional teams do we have? Two, three?

2013-08-01 17:35:01
were u being sarcastic?
2013-08-01 18:04:10
2013-08-01 19:01:03
well i believe loord was talking about Poland's professional scene and not the international one
2013-08-02 18:29:56
"CS:GO is not the future."

BECAUSE LOORD SUCK? or because he pissed off with his teammates? and indeed neo , taz , pasha was way better then loord.
2013-08-02 02:08:04
I gonna wait for the next patch if its still a bad game then I will consider calling it a failure. 1 year to make the game good is way enough.
2013-08-01 17:35:26
yeah i rage quit a server today not because im bad or smth because i dont enjoy playing csgo, and video games is about joy and having fun. well thats not the case for me with this game. the next patch is the deadline for me. if it will be more enjoyable then fine if not. goodbye
2013-08-01 18:09:12
2013-08-03 22:20:00
Yeah we all know CS 1.0 was a completely viable competitive game.
2013-08-01 18:20:54
CSGO isn't made in 2000. Valve should've learnt from history instead of repeating the same mistake.
you seriously gonna wait CSGO if it's development time is as long as it's previous success game(1.6)?
2013-08-01 18:34:58
Seeing how GO has improved so much since the betas and release and I'm having fun with it? Yes, I'm not a child.
2013-08-01 18:52:03
2013-08-01 18:36:59
Why are you comparing this to CS 1.0?
CS:GO is a game made with 12+ years experience behind it.
2013-08-01 18:57:31
2013-08-01 19:07:54
Actually valve has more than 16 years of experience developing games and is considered the best studio in the industry, but making games is not a science, it's based more on trial and error, and GO is a completely different game when compared to classic CS so there are errors to be made.
If you look at most of the changes made since the beta they are either bug fixes which are inherent to switching engines and creating a new game, stats adjustments since no one can agree on what exactly are the best recoil patterns or how much damage the deagle should do, and competitive play improvements like leaderboards and stuff like that.
So comparing the development of go with that of CS 1.0 is not that insane.
And GO did learned something from previous CS versions, it kept the winning formula and is trying to improve it (again by trial and error, to bad that the community can't appreciate the work that it's being made), the first versions of CS didn't even had the defuse game mode, at least they started with that in mind this time around.
2013-08-01 20:23:37
So after 16 years of experience, Valve think people want Dust particles on the maps, 64 tic servers, slow unresponsive movement (much like Source which is one of the main reasons it's competitive scene was so bad), a Press f5 to Screenshot this moment on death notification, and being forced to play with a BOT when people leave matchmaking.

None of that is Trial and Error stuff, it's down right stupidity. Valve have no intention to make this a competitive game, they just want to grab as much money from the Counter-Strike franchise as possible.
2013-08-01 20:39:59
1. they cant make 128 tickrate servers cause it costs too much and there is no reason to do it... it made only for fun.
2. Why do you even care about matchmaking LOL. As i mentioned its made for fun.
2013-08-01 23:56:42
lol there's like 30k servers hosted, they could easily cut them in half and turn all of them into 128 rate.
2013-08-02 04:57:50
People only don't care about matchmaking because it is on shit servers, with shit maps and shit rules.
If Valve actually pull their finger out, matchmaking could be the core of CS:GO.
2013-08-02 09:21:10
16 years of experience and still tryin trial and error... ?!?!
2013-08-01 22:46:16
Someone mad but sad.

btw, if you guys thinks if csgo dies 1.6 will come back, thats not true, no sponsor will go to a 10 year old game anymore, stop whining about csgo.

Post edited 2013-08-01 17:36:42
2013-08-01 17:35:40
stich - HLTV.org
It's beyond doubt that 1.6 is permanently dead...but sadly GO probably won't last long..that's just a feeling
2013-08-01 17:42:19
Tell me then why CS:GO have more players then 1.6.
2013-08-01 17:45:54
Read his sentence again.
2013-08-01 17:50:16
2013-08-01 17:50:53
stich - HLTV.org
I mean right now it's strong and I love playing it...but Valve will need to step it up in my personal opinion if it is to survive
2013-08-01 17:51:02
as if it was a huge difference between
2013-08-01 17:56:00
Because valve made a few tweaks to 1.6 which made it unplayable for players who don't know how to set it right again.

There we're so many players, far more than CS:GO will probably ever have.
2013-08-01 17:58:21
And if it has more players???

Just because there are more players doesn't mean it's a better game...

If you put in those terms, TF2(and don't say that it has more players because it's F2P. Even before it became F2P, it still had bigger number of players than 1.6 and GO!) since it's one FPS is way much better than CS:GO and CS 1.6...

Why not move on to TF2?!

Post edited 2013-08-01 18:22:13
2013-08-01 18:19:40
TF2 did NOT have more players than 1.6 or GO before being F2P. The rest of your point still stands though. :)
2013-08-01 18:41:03
It had lol
Way more, TF2 was nominated by a lot of game magazines (GAME OF THE YEAR) in 2007.
Tell me 1 time, when 1.6 was nominated game of the year ?

You cant even compare TF2 to CS 1.6, it has like 4x/5x more people, and dont say me that its because its f2p, cuz 1.6 like 2 years ago ,was 5e no steam lol.

2013-08-01 19:40:14

Are you on drugs??
2013-08-02 10:19:31
2013-08-01 17:35:52
I want CS:GO dead NOW
2013-08-01 17:35:57
Then you better say goodbye to competitive FPSs.
2013-08-01 18:21:31
tbh, MOBAs are the future... FPS games are pretty much dead

Post edited 2013-08-01 18:38:23
2013-08-01 18:37:59
Unfortunately you're probably right.
2013-08-01 18:52:31
FPS is the most popular genre in gaming industry . So....
2013-08-02 07:59:16
But not profitable in terms of professional gaming, which MOBA is.
2013-08-02 13:12:14
2013-08-03 22:24:24
MOBAs are the flavor of the month, not the future. Future is fighting games, FPS', MOBAs, RTS' and possibly some fifth genre working in unison. Only thing we're missing is the proper FPS, and the way this Farmville-obsessed industry is now, it'll be some time until we see a game like this come up. But it's NOT CS:GO.
2013-08-06 08:07:41
Competitive scene is bad,good teams? yes
Compare the compet scene of 1.6 to GO , i mean , there is not that competitive,teams fighting to death,is just a couple guys playing to get 16 rounds, idk i can't find 99% of the matches interesting
2013-08-01 18:57:29
I agree. The faster CSGO dies, the faster something better might replace it.
2013-08-01 18:58:30
Pretty sure we have more than two or three professional teams
2013-08-01 17:36:01
VeryGames, Astana Dragons, NiP and NaVi are the only ones that play fulltime I guess? Thats what I would call professional.

My bad VeryGames isn't playing fulltime.

Post edited 2013-08-01 17:39:04
2013-08-01 17:37:30
exactly what I was thinking
2013-08-01 17:39:19
SY&b aka EPSILON. n!facutly, Lemondogs, and REALLY many pro team out there that havent showed there skills yet.
2013-08-01 17:39:27
They aren't playing fulltime so I don't consider them professionals but semi pros.
2013-08-01 17:40:09
They are...
2013-08-01 17:42:14
professional = getting paid, so no
2013-08-01 18:14:53
If we talk about getting paid there's quite some teams..

Playing Ducks
Western Wolves
Copenhagen Wolves
Ninjas in Pyjamas
Natus Vincere
Astana Dragons
ROCCAT - if true about their organization.
Quantic Gaming
Virtus.PRO and Fnatic, although they don't have an up-and-running team as of now - I'll count ESC in here because of the situation.
Probably also LDLC, SteelShock, k1ck, fm-eSports, Infused although they suck, dignitas.
2013-08-01 20:10:28
Yes they pay, a shit compared to the other games.

CSGO cant compete with LoL DotA or Sc2. Furthermore the game is terrible and VALVE dont give a fuck.
2013-08-01 21:06:33
Where in my comment did I compare CS: GO salaries to LoL's or other games?

Post edited 2013-08-01 21:55:57
2013-08-01 21:55:48
ok compare me CSGO (fps game) with another FPS game! fucktard
2013-08-02 02:12:39
I only compare with LOL DOTA2 or sc2 which are the real professional games.

There is no more competitive big fps game apart from cod and cs. Cod getting bigger.

Dont be mad kiddie. You are bad, deal with it.
2013-08-02 11:49:26
" the real professional games" ?

"Cod getting bigger" ?

"You are bad" ?

ok enough
2013-08-02 14:19:10
"the real professional games" ?

I mean they are the only games making people to live out.Only NiP can do it from CSGO. We can consider more than 8 teams doing it at LoL/DotA and same with players in SC2. You clearly have no clue pubber.

"Cod getting bigger" ?

And bigger. Checkout MLG etc at USA. We better don't talk about spectators and people following the game. You clearly have no clue pubber x2.

"You are bad" ?

Yes, you are. You call me a fucktard when i didn't insult you so ye you probably are a kid without any type of real/social life who is bad at everygame so you need to insult.

Thanks in advance pubber.
2013-08-02 15:54:54
i said enough.
YOU told me nolifer? :D
2013-08-02 16:40:30
Comparing MOBA with FPS, i lold.
2013-08-02 20:16:30
And? We are talking of those games you can live from them (professional) so i dont give a fuck if its a FPS game, MOBA, worms or Sonic.
2013-08-02 23:28:16
wow, so "many" teams!
2013-08-03 22:26:38
and you can tell us a little bit more. Like how much cash do they get?

Edit. your acting childish i guess i wont get a answer on my question anyway

Post edited 2013-08-01 18:37:28
2013-08-01 18:36:45
you know, VeryGames don't play fulltime too, cuz some of them (shoxie for example) have work and others have studies.
2013-08-01 17:42:23
As I edited in my first post. VeryGames is not playing fulltime.
2013-08-01 17:48:11
Still? They are still pros, do you have no IQ!?

Its like im f0rest but i play 5 hours on one week so im not pro.
2013-08-01 17:50:17
A professional team is a team that makes a living out of it and gets paid for having the game as a job. Not every guy that has no life and puts in 10 hours is a professional.
2013-08-01 17:54:06
germany plez..
2013-08-01 17:54:46
stop being dumb
2013-08-01 17:58:20
he is right
2013-08-01 17:59:40
he's right
2013-08-01 18:32:32
I'm still waiting for a nice/valid post from you. All you say is rubbish lol
2013-08-01 18:39:33
He's absolutely right
2013-08-01 18:42:35
ur hate seriously have to go and buy some nice brain since u so idiot
2013-08-01 19:11:39
He is right u mongfuck
2013-08-02 15:55:37
go to hell gayfag swede
2013-08-02 16:08:24
So when i work 5 hours a day as a doctor, im not a professional doctor? Professional means its your job. U can have two jobs...
2013-08-02 09:13:57
what about ex-Epsilon, n!faculty, Lemondogs, Western Wolves, Copenhagen Wolves, LDLC.com, CurseNA, Quantic, Dynamic, Frost Gaming etc.?
2013-08-01 17:41:33
They don't play fulltime? lol
2013-08-01 17:42:08
They are once more...
2013-08-01 17:42:39
The ex n!faculty team had to drive to events by car. They didn't get any salary as far as I know but just played the events.
I doubt that any of the american teams is playing fulltime since they basically play 2 or 3 events a year.
Lemondogs playing fulltime? The last event I saw them was Dreamhack.
I remember Pimp saying that he was on a school trip so they couldn't practice. So yeah they all play fulltime.

Other than that EVEN VeryGames is NOT playing fulltime some of the guys are studying beside playing thats why they had to skip events in the past.

Post edited 2013-08-01 17:47:27
2013-08-01 17:45:28
Actually they did get salary.
2013-08-01 18:00:33
and still not being able to life from it ):

what about u bro?
2013-08-01 18:37:42
You dont know if they cant make a life out of it.
Btw tell me 1 team who receives more then the average salary in their country to play CS .


Wake up monkey boy
2013-08-01 19:43:30
don't be mad.

"Btw tell me 1 team who receives more then the average salary in their country to play CS"
I stand corrected. CS is just not enough for professionalism or to be considered as a chance to be pro in terms of making life of it.
Profession as in professional.. I don't think "International CSGO players" can be considered as a job/profession? Not because one can't but because it is not possible..
unless you are NiP.
2013-08-01 19:52:37
They are not professional...cmon
2013-08-01 21:08:07
Let it go he just doesn't want to understand.
2013-08-01 18:01:04
are you in contact with them or what to talk so confidently? I'm pretty sure that at least some of them are playing fulltime (epsilon fosho).

Post edited 2013-08-01 17:45:54
2013-08-01 17:45:09
ex-epsilon? ye makes sense to play fulltime if you don't even have an organisation...

Post edited 2013-08-02 09:47:06
2013-08-02 09:46:33
Why do you think you have to play full time to be a professional?
2013-08-01 17:47:40
Most of your list are most definitely not PROFESSIONALS in terms of getting paid salary and playing CS full time (i.e. don't need a job to support their hobby) LOL at including Dynamic and Frost Gaming btw...
2013-08-01 17:47:13
i just mentioned some of decent teams on the scene. Most of them are getting salaries, i'm sure. Don't know about playing fulltime though, but i doubt that guys from WW or Epsilon have jobs (no offence) cuz most of them are young.
2013-08-01 17:52:57
You're wrong and even if they get salaries they're not higher than 200, 300 for the "effort" they put in but now think about it if a team like Copenhagen Wolves wants to make a living of it they need THOUSANDS of euros in Denmark. 2000+ I'm pretty sure that not even NiP is getting so much money right now. So if a team like Western Wolves gets 200 monthly for playing it's nothing. It's pocket money beside school. In a normal sidejob, 20 hours a week, they would earn WAY MORE money monthly. Of course they get to see countries and such but they're basically forced to still be in school and living at home. Anyways the most don't get salaries at all. Just because you get little pocket money you're not a professional and it's not even a salary but pocket money.
2013-08-01 18:04:01
If we judge by this logic, then it means that even cs 1.6 had low amount of PROFESSIONAL teams and i don't know why he even mentioned it lol. Well, i got your point, i don't see any reason in arguing anymore. We have different points of view on the word PROFESSIONAL (i think in eSports we can call 'professional' all teams that are getting some salaries and playing on high level).

Post edited 2013-08-01 18:16:17
2013-08-01 18:13:16
I think professional player is someone who plays games as a full time job and get paid for it.
2013-08-02 08:52:49
None of the US teams play full time as a job and none of them have salaries.

Post edited 2013-08-01 18:34:49
2013-08-01 18:34:42
Can't you guys read? He said professional teams in POLAND!!
2013-08-02 06:39:19
Professional is getting paid for something you do. WW+CPHW+VPRO.
2013-08-01 18:05:36
he was talking about Polish scene i think.
2013-08-01 17:42:34
He was writing it in polish so it was about amount of polish trans probably.
2013-08-01 17:53:17
He was talking about POLISH scene. (OUR - POLISH)
2013-08-01 18:03:48
he was talking about polish scene
2013-08-01 18:07:56
By saying how many teams we have, he was taling purely about polish scene. All those comments were written originally in polish.
2013-08-01 18:16:12
For people who would think he is lying, he just kept silence not to create problems when they were still a team, now that he isn't part of it and just retired, there is no need for him to lie.

"We took pleasure in playing 1.6, but CS:GO is a completely different story, we played it just because everyone was switching and because there were tournaments, prize money and the opportunity to compete,"

"Was there a need to replace LUq with pasha? We had won five major tournaments in three years with LUq, while with pasha we only won two in the same amount of time," he continues."

I knew Taz was the problem.

Post edited 2013-08-01 17:37:51
2013-08-01 17:36:19
I don't get the retarded comparison to Dota playernumbers. It's still the number one competitive FPS. And no.. Cod is not competitive.
2013-08-01 17:36:27
exactly it annoys me when people compare the two.. They are not in direct competition. Their is room for a MOBA and a FPS title at eSports events.
2013-08-01 17:51:59
i think what he was actually trying to say was that valve isnt putting enough resources into CS:GO compared to DoTA 2.
2013-08-01 18:12:25
That makes sense and I agree with that
2013-08-02 00:25:23
they are in direct competition for sponsorship money (to feed the pro scene) and for developer attention.

if you make games for a living, which game do you develop? one that has a small user base, sells only once for a ridiculous price, or one that has a huge player base, keeps selling more and more items every day that are often more expensive than buying the smaller game?

if you're a sponsor, where do you put your money? in a game that has a small player base, with lower changes of adding visibility to your brand and/or increasing sales, or do you put your money in a game that is growing exponentially in terms of user base?

of course they are in direct competition! actually, for the most part all games are in direct competition!

you can argue that some benefits can come from investing time / money in smaller games, but we're talking about different scales completely.

having said that, I'm still a hardcore FPS fan, but that doesn't change reality.
2013-08-01 18:14:07
They are in indirect competition I. E. If CSGO can increase viewer numbers it can be featured as a side game in Dota or LoL tournaments. Direct competition would be SC2 vs WC3 or DOTA2 and LoL or even 1.6 vs CSS. There is typically a winner in direct competition were typically a sponsor for a tournament would like to cover the demographics to reach the biggest possible audience (MOBA, rts, FPS, etc)
2013-08-02 00:22:00
if you tell me that CS:GO brings players/viewers to other games, then maybe I can agree with you, ie, having a tournament with LoL + CS:GO generates more viewers/publicity than doing one separate tournament of LoL and then one separate tournament of CS:GO. If that's the case then Valve should put more money into CS:GO (developing + marketing), but I have some doubts about it.
2013-08-02 02:34:06
Really? Explain why there isn't any FPS-games in the biggest tournament circuits these days, except for some shitty dreamhack stops?

Post edited 2013-08-01 18:15:49
2013-08-01 18:15:36
Because no single FPS has the viewer numbers to justify the investment. If numbers grow FPS will be featured once again.
2013-08-02 00:26:34
If DotA 2/SC2/LoL had worse numbers than CS:GO, CS:GO would be the game featured though (although with a smaller prize sum), so yes, they are competing for the spots.
2013-08-02 18:27:49
ye that's why CS:GO is an IEM title....oh wait it isn't because there are 3 other games with better numbers and IEM only features 3 games. apparently GO DOES compete with Dota, LoL and SC2 when it comes to sponsors and tournaments.

Post edited 2013-08-02 09:54:22
2013-08-02 09:51:03
Wouldn't have believed that they were having internal problems so big :l
2013-08-01 17:36:38
sad story because I've always liked the team.
2013-08-01 17:36:39
Well that sucks...
2013-08-01 17:36:56
Pity he has to kick back, but on the other side if he was treated this badly the community should know it.
2013-08-01 17:37:44
oops misunderstood

Post edited 2013-08-01 17:38:41
2013-08-01 17:38:17
"we played it just because everyone was switching and because there were tournaments, prize money and the opportunity to compete"

"CS:GO is not the future"

enough said
2013-08-01 17:38:03
2013-08-01 17:41:42
well what do you expect from a team who didn't even adaptto cs .go who never achieved anything in go and was bad overall when compared to others teams. through out its short life span.
you want them to say that this game is the thing? and expect them to praise it? I think not.

Bottom line team has no motivation and is past it's prime time. Time to call it a day and move one no need to be sour.
2013-08-01 17:48:38
2013-08-03 22:31:25
" Why do you think that some players in our team started to focus on creating their own personal projectcs rather than on winning tournaments?" Neo :/
2013-08-01 17:38:09
stich - HLTV.org
I always thought Neogear was kind of stupid tbh

but it's not his fault, the low-pay CS scene led him to try something new

Post edited 2013-08-01 17:43:37
2013-08-01 17:43:07
Whats Neogear about? Havent heard about it.
2013-08-01 18:43:28
i appreciate the explanation
2013-08-01 17:38:31
its sad to know all this :(
2013-08-01 17:39:06
No but good because all the pros have been lying to the community that the game is good. :D
2013-08-01 17:41:06
"all the pros" yeah right
2013-08-01 17:51:17
Only monkey see monkey do players think that cs:go us a good game cus their fav player plays it jut like gaming equipment.
2013-08-01 18:00:42
true story...
2013-08-03 22:35:25
I've never heard/seen one pro say the game is good
2013-08-01 18:02:37
"At first we hated the game but now we enjoy it." There are so many teams that said this in the past.
2013-08-01 18:06:39
really? best I've seen was that the game is improving -_-
2013-08-01 18:09:47
...learn to read, thanks :).
2013-08-01 18:09:52
2 much drama
2013-08-01 17:39:28

carmac <3

2013-08-01 17:41:27
stich - HLTV.org
carmac is a narcissistic douche bag, take a look at any of the things he says on Twitter for proof.
2013-08-01 17:44:09
sry im not his fanboy to check what he writes , apparently you are one butthurt anti-carmac

np , his statement that loord quoted is true :D
2013-08-01 17:44:58
stich - HLTV.org
i'm not really butthurt I just don't think he deserves any love, something about him seriously creeps me out
2013-08-01 17:50:11
he might be a creepy madafaka but i dont really give a shit nor do i follow him , i just think his statement is rock-solid and right. nuff said.
2013-08-01 17:52:02
GJ valve
2013-08-01 17:41:36
ill browse the hltv forums if i want to read about noobs crying
2013-08-01 17:41:36
2013-08-01 17:54:46
2013-08-01 17:42:26
"We took pleasure in playing 1.6, but CS:GO is a completely different story, we played it just because everyone was switching and because there were tournaments, prize money and the opportunity to compete," he explained.

Well, there you go.
2013-08-01 17:42:48
pretty much everyone was "forced" to play csgo if they wanted to continue play cs on a professional level and i bet that everyone just wanted to go back to their old game at the time
2013-08-01 17:47:01
2013-08-01 17:47:52
the game have obviously gotten a lot better since the beta and its just getting better and better all the time imo
2013-08-01 17:49:25
bra berg, +poäng till dig :x
2013-08-01 17:52:07
It's been a year since the game is out and everything they have implemented could have been implemented in one or two major updates.
2013-08-01 17:52:16
as much as hltv hates Richard Lewis he pretty much nailed the whole thing with how the CS:GO patching is coming along

there's a list of shit that needs to be done that exists for almost a year

valve fixes one thing out of that list

adds 3 more things nobody asked for

and proceeds to break something in the process
2013-08-01 18:16:48
I'm not one of these stupid haters. I never read this article/saw the video tho could you link it?
2013-08-01 18:38:57
It was in a podcast, I actually did try finding it but I couldn't , was one of djwheat's podcasts, hope that helps

found it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x567luBxns8&lis..

Post edited 2013-08-01 18:40:49
2013-08-01 18:39:56
Thanks :)
2013-08-01 18:42:44
It has but seems like it isn't quite enough. I've played since the beta in early 2012 and I still don't like it.
2013-08-01 18:10:42
was better before recoil update, will be better if they tweak movement, that's all :)
2013-08-01 18:44:05
So why do the NiP players say they prefer playing GO to 1.6?
2013-08-01 17:51:58
Because they are winning? They would not be this dominate in 1.6
2013-08-01 17:56:56
No, becuse they don't like 1.6 anymore, f0rest said that on his stream aswell get_right said it.
2013-08-01 17:59:34
People would say much for a decent amount of money, what do you expect f0rest to say that he hates the only solution that he has considering he didn't complete his high school even.
2013-08-01 18:04:37
Forest and gtr were winning in 1.6 too, just not to the same extent
2013-08-01 18:08:04
Same reason why nip recommend u 2 buy horrible mice/headsets
2013-08-01 18:05:16
hahahaha xD
2013-08-01 19:40:43
some player enjoyed playing it but majority "disliked" it/didnt enjoy it
2013-08-01 18:48:26
unnecessary, but understandable.
2013-08-01 17:43:24
CS GO owned. You are the boss LOORD !
2013-08-01 17:44:04
Was there a need to replace LUq with pasha? We had won five major tournaments in three years with LUq, while with pasha we only won two in the same amount of time

weak point here
2013-08-01 17:44:14
2013-08-01 17:44:30
2013-08-01 17:44:52
csgo will not die `:D
2013-08-01 17:46:29
and cows can fly
2013-08-02 16:03:27
nothing to say (
2013-08-01 17:46:47
<3 you loord, and all you did for the G5 but taz was also a vital part of the team even if he was internally damaging he was still an amazing fragger/caller
2013-08-01 17:47:23
I think he is mad, but I might be right.
2013-08-01 17:47:42
This team was always sick "inside". That's funny how things look like now.
2013-08-01 17:47:44
Fuck me..
It's so hard to read these words from Loord. I love G5 for their durability to these looses which they had in CS:GO. But knowledge of SO big probs in team makes me sad as hell.
I always had feeling what only good relationship and friendship made them survive whole this horror in CS:GO and win all championship @1.6 they won.
And I thought Taz is great person, very friendly and opened for people.
And the most shame is for blaming Loord for his "low skill" @HLTV.org threads. This guy was one of the most consistent players in whole CS scene.
Statistic for kids and retards.
Sad as fuck..

Post edited 2013-08-01 17:50:01
2013-08-01 17:47:49
Indeed. It's quite painful to read something like this; especially from a team which every1 holds in such regard.
2013-08-01 17:54:47
I started to follow G5 after WCG 2006 and everytime I was surprised how stronk they have to be to place in top3 at almost every championship. Gosh forgive them for all disputes they had BUT threatening and bulling someone(especially Loord who I love the most, on a par with Neo) is beyond of my understanding.
2013-08-01 18:07:29
i think they are crying about cs:go only cuz of NiP
2013-08-01 17:47:55
We all know that csgo is not a good game compared to 1.6, it's just shitty source and csgo fanboys who thinks it's a good game.

"we played it just because everyone was switching and because there were tournaments, prize money and the opportunity to compete"

There you got the truth, all switch because of the tournaments, not because it's a good game.

Thank you Loord for pointing it out so we all could read it.
2013-08-01 17:49:38
stich - HLTV.org
It's much better than Source lol...that game will go down as the worst CS ever made
2013-08-01 17:52:22
CS:Online *cough* CS:CZ *cough* *cough*
2013-08-01 18:05:05
stich - HLTV.org
CS for the Xbox in 2003 *cough**cough*
2013-08-01 18:11:20
Which is also condition zero
2013-08-01 18:23:51
stich - HLTV.org
Never knew that thanks for the info ^_^
2013-08-01 18:38:56
Np ^_^
2013-08-01 18:40:32
It's nowhere near as good as source, did you play source 2007-2012?
2013-08-01 18:30:22
2013-08-01 18:37:18
Taz is whiner, should hold his mouth yesterday, he first started to whirl dust.
2013-08-01 17:50:26
"CS:GO is not the future. Just look at our scene. How many professional teams do we have? Two, three?"

Complete moron lmao.
2013-08-01 17:50:26
awww :3

expected arrival.

upcoming : richek , 743j , and some other randoms.

dont even bother replying to me , hf :D:D:D *takes out popcorn*
2013-08-01 17:53:44
So the fact he cannot count, or believes there are three notable CS:GO teams doesn't make him a moron? He's just spat his dummy out and is preaching all doom and gloom. Pretty embarrassing in all honesty. No doubt it will influence the small minds of the masses here though.
2013-08-01 19:08:26
"our scene" meant POLISH scene.
The masses here already know, you just showed up.
2013-08-02 02:34:34
how is he a moron ?
2013-08-01 17:54:01
How come?

Name more than three teams that are being paid to play the game.

Post edited 2013-08-01 17:55:01
2013-08-01 17:54:27
VeryGames, NiP, Astana Dragons, Na`Vi, Copenhagen Wolves, Western Wolves 4sure. + CurseNA, Quantic probably. Not sure about n!faculty and Lemondogs.
2013-08-01 17:57:57
And are all of those polish?
2013-08-01 17:59:19
"CS:GO is not the future. Just look at our scene. How many professional teams do we have? Two, three?"

There were other polish teams in 1.6 that played fulltime and were getting salaries except ESC and may be DELTA? I doubt it. So it's completely stupid to accuse CS:GO in destroying polish professional scene. -> He was talking about the whole CS:GO scene or he meant all teams which are playing competitively.
2013-08-01 18:08:26
I doubt he was talking about the whole CSGO scene when he made his post in polish and to a response to a polish dude.

I dont know about the 1.6 polish scene.
But sure, the polish 1.6 scene didnt have much mroe than three either, so yeah.

Post edited 2013-08-01 18:19:15
2013-08-01 18:18:06
If he was talking about all competitive (high level) teams, then he was right about polish scene, cuz there were a lot of good teams during 1.6 time (DELTA is the best example). Without ESC, there're only ALSEN and GF-Gaming in pro scene imo.
2013-08-01 18:21:54
Not a fucking chance in hell that all those teams can make a living off the game
2013-08-01 18:19:09
I think the only team at the moment who can make a living out of the game is NiP.
2013-08-01 18:19:49
Paid to play is something different, and ofcourse it depends a lot on where you live if you are able to make a living out of it..
2013-08-01 18:22:55
if it's not a secret, how much were you getting from n!faculty? Just interested
2013-08-01 18:32:55
Professional = making a living out of it

semipro = getting an income from it but not enough to be able to play fulltime

amateur = no $$$
2013-08-01 18:46:12
Professional = Getting paid regularly != making a living out of it
2013-08-02 14:34:31
Only NiP, AD and Na`Vi can make living out of the game, but how many pro teams (in terms of salaries) had cs 1.6 during last years?
2013-08-01 18:23:53
mTw, Na'Vi, SK, fnatic, ESC, mouz, VP, alternate(?), WMF, k1ck(?), project_kr, coL, mYm, 4Kings(?), USSR(?).

Not sure though :)

We had many more before that too, 3D, Begrip, Millenium, eSahara, mibr, firegames, NoA, etc

Post edited 2013-08-01 18:34:13
2013-08-01 18:30:07
I'm pretty sure it was more than three even during the last few years when the game was on it's way out.

SK, fnatic, ESC, Na'Vi, there you have four and I do believe that the likes of M5 and mouz was able to do it professionally aswell.

However, even there were less pro teams in 1.6 (which it wasn't), that isn't something to brag about as CS 1.6 was in a shitty state aswell. Hell of a lot better than this though.
2013-08-01 18:40:25
How come everyone saying Na'Vi, i have thought they've split up?
2013-08-02 09:01:00
What? Dude, we have only 2 certain professional teams, what are you in heroine or something?
2013-08-01 17:54:39
He's right

Post edited 2013-08-01 17:56:08
2013-08-01 17:55:14

Post edited 2013-08-01 17:56:05
2013-08-01 17:55:53
He was talking about Poland because his posts were written in polish as response to few polish comments on facebook

Post edited 2013-08-01 18:04:16
2013-08-01 18:02:02
"Complete moron lmao." - Yes, you are complete moron ;)

He was talking about POLISH scene, not EUROPEAN/WORLD.

And its "CS:GO is not the future. " true :)
2013-08-01 18:06:02
You obv want cs out of the torunaments?
2013-08-01 18:12:03
To you and the other degenerates above. If he starts off his sentence with "CS:GO is not the future" that's implying that the whole game will fail, and not just the Polish community.
2013-08-01 19:10:58
2013-08-01 18:20:36
I thought we already agreed on the fact that you're a moron?
2013-08-02 14:37:17
Don't actually know who you are but sound.
2013-08-02 14:39:25
That's because you're a kiddo, who hates on everyone from the 1.6 scene and argues with everyone who has ever said a positive thing about 1.6.
2013-08-02 14:42:43
I don't hate everybody from 1.6 lmao. What are you chatting pal. I never argue with people who say positive things about 1.6, what would be the point? Oh unless by positive things about 1.6 you are referring to "HUEHUEHHUEHU 1.64 EVA CS:GO SOK HARIY BOLLZ!!" or some retarded comment likely to have escaped your own mouth on occasion.

I think it's fantastic that the 1.6 scene came over to GO too, theres a hell of a lot of competition and some of the teams and players are brilliant. What I do dislike is the vocal majority of the 1.6 community that seemingly had their brain development halted while still a foetus.

P.S. I'm older than you. Not that it makes much of a difference as I'm obviously a lot more literate regardless, but I'd just point it out since you decided to make a childish comment.
2013-08-02 15:27:06
Your first comment says enough about you :)
Poland has the 2nd/3rd biggest CS player base in the world.

You're allowed to think whatever you want, random English person :)
2013-08-02 17:51:25
I love these racist inbreds on HLTV that like to mention someone's nationality as if it makes them a lesser person. Grow the fuck up.
2013-08-02 19:11:14
I did not mean it like that lol.
It's just a freaking expression -.-'
2013-08-02 19:27:26
Lmfao, you have to be trolling. "Random English person" is not an expression.

1. The act of expressing, conveying, or representing in words, art, music, or movement; a manifestation: an expression of rural values.
2. Something that expresses or communicates: Let this plaque serve as an expression of our esteem.
3. Mathematics A symbol or combination of symbols that represents a quantity or a relationship between quantities.
4. The manner in which one expresses oneself, especially in speaking, depicting, or performing.
5. A particular word or phrase: "an old Yankee expression . . . 'Stand up and be counted'" (Charles Kuralt).
6. The outward manifestation of a mood or a disposition: My tears are an expression of my grief.
7. A facial aspect or a look that conveys a special feeling: an expression of scorn.
8. The act of pressing or squeezing out.
9. Genetics The act or process of expressing a gene.

It is none of them, you clearly meant it to be derogatory towards me.
2013-08-02 19:33:56
You really are mad aren't you.
It is an expression, I've heard native speakers use ( I've been living in an international environment for 6 years now)

Random XXXXXXX Person is completely acceptable, regardless of whether you put English, American, German or Macedonian and it usually is not meant to be offensive.

Hell there's even a song titled "A random english person".

Basically what you're trying to do is tell me, MY intentions lol
2013-08-03 02:53:31
You haven't heard native speaking say the words "random English person" as an expression. Because get this...? It is not a fucking expression. That is not what an expression means. Why am I trying to teach someone with mental deficiency what an expression means? Fuck me this is almost bringing me down to your level.

Post edited 2013-08-03 07:39:04
2013-08-03 07:38:44
Whatever dude -.-
You'd be lucky if you were at my intelligence level -.-
Please don't reply to me anymore.
2013-08-03 11:32:57
CS:GO is not the future. Just look at our scene. How many teams do we have in Poland? Two, three?

How stupid are you? hahahahahaah

Post edited 2013-08-02 16:05:17
2013-08-02 16:05:02
That has been edited. It previously said "CS:GO is not the future. Just look at our scene. How many professional teams do we have? Two, three?"

As I said above, that doesn't specify the Polish scene. If he is claiming that CS:GO's future is bleak, because the Polish scene only has a few teams then I have news for him. Poland is not the be all and end all of Counterstrike.
2013-08-02 16:23:06
Poor Loord. Feel sorry for you bro. Nicely said.
2013-08-01 17:50:31
Truth always comes out, he seems like a nice guy and surely didn't deserve to be treated like that.
2013-08-01 17:51:35
everyone is bitter when something you love ends when you dont want it to
2013-08-01 17:52:58
Shouldnt come as a surprise that CSGO is shit.
2013-08-01 17:53:27
I just can't believe what CSGO have done to Counter-Strike... And I hate that statistics and people spamming -player after bad game, made struggling ESC Gaming struggle even more.

"Sorry hltv.org, I love you but you destroyed our team" (c) TAZ
2013-08-01 17:53:55
You want to say that during 1.6 times there were no -player threads and other shit?
2013-08-01 17:59:12
No. And, there is AND after my first sentence man :D. CS 1.6 there were equal amount of that shit, for ESC it did not matter of course because they were godlike there.

Post edited 2013-08-01 18:21:12
2013-08-01 18:20:42
No offence, but it's not game's fault that ESC could not adapt easily and destroy everything like they did in 1.6 .
2013-08-01 18:25:52
It's not about adapting, it's about not being motivated enough.
2013-08-02 14:38:02
"We took pleasure in playing 1.6, but CS:GO is a completely different story, we played it just because everyone was switching and because there were tournaments, prize money and the opportunity to compete,"

CS:GO destroyed CS scene, we want 1.6 back :)
2013-08-01 17:54:56
Cs1.6 is there still , but it wont be on torunaments anymore ..
2013-08-01 18:03:25
Go is the reason we still have a cs scene
2013-08-01 18:10:47
I dont get those haters towards cs:go, if cs:go dies there is no more cs on torunaments, then we need watch lizard games only..
2013-08-01 18:12:51
People seem to think that if go dies that people will all go back to 1.6 like they did when cgs died. But in reality we won't have any shooters at all.
2013-08-01 18:16:49
true.. its end of cs if csgo dies.
2013-08-01 18:19:27
Yes, people doesn't get that when CSGO dies there will be no more Worldwide FPS eSports, only small local stuff that never stick because they don't bring any new players in and those shitty P2W chinese clones.

Post edited 2013-08-01 23:47:27
2013-08-01 23:47:05
GO is the reason why the CS scene will die.
If only GO were a better game.
If you know a bit about basketball think of CS:GO as the LA Lakers.
Their Kobe mania is gonna last for a few more years, but Kobe is the reason why they won't be successful.

GO just prolonged the CS scene's life, it did not extend it, which is what we ( the scene) wanted.
2013-08-02 14:41:02
so you would rather have 1.6 die at the end of 2012 and not have anymore cs events at all?
2013-08-02 14:56:15
CS was gonna die out anyways, and as it seems GO will hardly be remembered as the good years in CS.

atm the GO scene is a combination of scraps here and there.

I agree with the fact that 1.6 was bound to die out, but the transition should've been smoother, not forced and rushed up.

At the moment GO is simply not good enough of a game to keep this scene alive.

Post edited 2013-08-02 15:00:14
2013-08-02 14:59:06
how could the transition possibly been smoother?

if the community retards and diehard pros didnt trash talk the game at every chance then we wouldnt be in this position

but players like ceh9 chose to say that csgo is shit and that he will NEVER play it to please the fans

half a year later and hes playing this game because he didnt realize that sponsors didnt want to support a game that needs no hardware at all to run
2013-08-02 15:01:40
Should they lie? Valve rushed the release FACT!

And it's not like GO is getting more money than 1.6 in the last days got lol.
It's basically only few of the tournaments that sponsored 1.6 that are now sponsoring GO, in addition to that there's MadCatz and ESEA global tournaments.

There aren't any new sponsors, CSGO hasn't done shit, it just softened the blow and made it last for another year or so -.-

I really hope that we see new tournaments picking up CSGO but with the way Valve's treating the community (they're not even aware what they're doing), I honestly doubt something will happen.
2013-08-02 17:43:07
Loord you are legend, you have done your part, you made us all cry of joy when you were playing tournaments. I just wish best luck for your retirement, enjoy all the millions what society who appreciate eSport legends so much gives you.
2013-08-01 17:57:49
GO is not dying, Counter-Strike is...No more CS, No more HLTV..Sad
2013-08-01 18:00:06
Our community is stupid, they always insulting pro players, if Loord is at bottom of the table he's just noob according by 80% of HLTV retards, I believe there are some people with brain yet.
2013-08-01 18:05:37
The most stupid part of the CS community is that they refuse to play CS:GO, simply because deep dow in their minds they really believe that some random will pinch in 2kk usd to 1.6 just to revive it
2013-08-01 18:30:01
2013-08-01 18:25:31
Let's say, FPS games are dying lol
2013-08-01 18:42:57
everything is so dmn true about csgo
2013-08-01 18:00:15
nailed :) sAuceStorm incoming ...
2013-08-01 18:00:58
it's already started
2013-08-01 18:01:36
"CS:GO is not the future. Just look at our scene. How many professional teams do we have? Two, three?"

Loord is right :)
2013-08-01 18:01:09
How many were there during 1.6? Only ones I can think of is the g5 and maybe 1 other team. The rest were semipro
2013-08-01 18:12:10
haha rofl this +1
2013-08-01 18:20:02
I feel sorry for Loord, he's always been doing dirty job in this team, fanboys always criticize him for being a weak link in g5 but people don't really understand that backup role is one of the hardest to play, I mean you don't have to be a sick aimer but you have to have enough BRAIN to play brilliantly that role in team. I've always thought Loord is one of the smartest players in-game in CS history and as I see he's also very honest guy @ real. You are such a legend, especially for fans of your team!
2013-08-01 18:02:51
Agree ! He said that he wasn't focused on being a star , he was focused on winning ( teamplayer ) .
2013-08-01 18:23:13
Loord stronk, Taz wronk!
2013-08-01 18:04:00
Pasha biceps
2013-08-01 18:05:07
crying is free
2013-08-01 18:06:00
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2013-08-01 18:33:18
Well said.
2013-08-01 18:06:37
Lord was the most stable player in this team. Neo or taz had days when they played good or bad while Loord was always stable and it was good as you always know what he will play.

And yes the problem is not Loord, luq or skill.. the problem is Taz. Skill isnt everything ...
2013-08-01 18:06:52
Gna be interesting on the next podcast

Post edited 2013-08-01 18:08:54
2013-08-01 18:07:39
Sorry to say, but from this post he seems like a bit of moron and a bitter one at that.
2013-08-01 18:09:29
taz is spurious

2013-08-01 18:10:02
I don't know if Loord is completely right about what he said, but I deffo do agree with what he has said about TaZ. TaZ was always trying to shape himself for some sort of celebrity and you guys (unless you are polish) might not have noticed this as much as. For quite some time now - TaZ was talking about financial problems in his team, that he lost motivation because there was lack of money and in one of the videos for polish TV station he stated that money was never a concern for him - that he plays CS:GO because he loves it and this is just an example. This is what is very annoying about TaZ - he is a great guy, he can entertain - but he does it all to play to the gallery. He always behaves in a way intended to make people admire or support him.
2013-08-01 18:10:37
2013-08-01 18:10:49
Apocalypse is coming!!!!! Too many disbands and flaming and etc...
Valve have to invest more money to CSGO if they want to keep it alive or make it dead and invest money in CSP and help them to release it and the whole crying would be over!
2013-08-01 18:10:57
Need more asians, in 1.6 we had WeMADEFOX(real professional gaming team), tyloo, 3D, coL, SK, NaVI, VP, NiP, Begrip, Millenium, eSahara, mibr, firegames, NoA, mTw, mouz, alternate etc, this was proffesionals, i like to play CS:GO(because i needed smth new after 6-7 years) but its so far from PRO.
2013-08-01 18:11:38
Those teams spanned over 10 years if people keep complaining then cs will just die entirely and we'll be left with cod as the only competitive shooter
2013-08-01 18:14:56
Are u kiddin, right? This team played 3-4 years ago, some teams played last 3 years or still play. But still i dont speak about teams, i spoke about real PROs.

Post edited 2013-08-01 19:29:32
2013-08-01 19:28:24
They'd rather play CS:online. They think csgo is pretty crap
2013-08-01 18:29:54
Theyd rather play lol.dota2 and wc3
2013-08-01 20:01:05
best community....
2013-08-01 18:14:49
2013-08-01 18:24:38
2013-08-01 20:00:40
How dare you to call this a community, this is a website full of flamers and haters. Don't you ever call this a community anymore!
2013-08-01 21:06:56
Everyone thought that Taz was a super nice guy with his funny interviews and others things, now loord reveals the truth!
2013-08-01 18:18:07
To a onesided story
2013-08-01 18:28:28
I always wondered why did they kick luq after winning wcg.

Loord was one of the best clutch players in 1.6 and was starting to play better in go. Singling him out was stupid since most of esc stars are nowhere near their 1.6 form.
2013-08-01 18:19:20
2013-08-01 18:20:24
It's obvious that csgo has no future, but we have too many dumb people here who can't admit the truth
2013-08-01 18:20:32
Its not that we dont believe it its just we are you retards trying to kill it :) we are just trying to keep cs alive
2013-08-01 18:29:40

Without people like FiNNy- to support GO we wouldn't have a scene....
2013-08-02 15:31:51
csgo may not be the future so isn't 1.6 or sauce or any shooter you can somehow compare to cs. Its about Mobas now, and you wont change anything by calling "we should have sticked with 1.6". It wouldnt have changed anything. Either more people will be interested in cs(which may means itll be free2play) or it'll stick with these pricemoney or itll die off sometime. but you guys wont change anything with stupid bullshit calls.
2013-08-01 18:23:48
2013-08-02 00:05:20
"CS:GO is not the future" how it is , i agree! but 1.6 it's not he answer too! Valve have to listen to what the gamers want and a large part want a 1.6 with better graphics and that's about it. Sure there are things on CS:GO that are fun to play but it's not the old fun that the 1.6 used to have!
GG Valve.
2013-08-01 18:27:03
If CS:GO isn't the future what is? Are we going to play FPS games only on consoles now? What are you trying to achieve anyway?

I don't want to see only LoL/Dota 2 and SC2 in big events. Those games are soooo boring, CS:GO at least gives me chills when someone is in a 1vX clutch.

So please don't kill true e-sport.
2013-08-01 18:29:18
do not condemn what you do not understand
2013-08-01 18:37:56
There is no real future that's the thing.
Games are played by people that enjoy them and if there isn't a good enough game from a specific genre on the market, then people simply won't play it.

It's the start of the end of a decent FPS scene.
2013-08-02 14:44:36
well. Loord pointing out that TaZ was attention whore. But hey some1 must make a PRESS, for the team.
Loord was never good at it at all. So i think his statements are not fully justified.
2013-08-01 18:29:37
Calling luq a thief after such a long time is so immature.
2013-08-01 18:31:45
Sorry but to me kuben was always the low fragger when I looked at the stats.

Anyways CS is dead and valve killed it
2013-08-01 18:31:39
2013-08-01 18:32:03
CS:GO was born dead. Trip hardly pays off by winning 1st place.
2013-08-01 18:32:15
2013-08-01 19:05:37
Atleast NiP got some free money.
2013-08-01 18:35:33
Yeah, nevermind all the hard work they put into it.
2013-08-01 18:45:24
He is absolutely right!
2013-08-01 18:37:52
i agree with him on csgo.
2013-08-01 18:38:36
TaZ statement about this drama: https://www.facebook.com/g5taz/posts/6993453400791..
2013-08-01 18:39:15
I want to thank Kuben and Loord for this 7 years of hard work. This change is not because me or anyone else think that Kuben and Loord are bad players.

Wtf is kuben out too? What about pasha?
2013-08-01 18:47:19
Exactly what i was thinking kuben is out??
2013-08-01 18:51:14
2013-08-01 18:42:39
He's a noob at GO, that's why he's having this childish outburst all of a sudden.
2013-08-01 18:53:44
Loord is good at GO
2013-08-01 18:56:57


Post edited 2013-08-01 19:03:42
2013-08-01 19:00:52
u r obviously an idiot.
2013-08-01 19:16:30
2013-08-01 20:11:07
2013-08-01 20:14:00
pasha gonna destroy loord with his biceps now! :D
2013-08-01 18:56:13
fuck csgo
2013-08-01 18:56:44
how many players do you think have pleasure in playing cs go?
2013-08-01 19:00:05
This is rly sad. Hard times for CS:GO atm.
2013-08-01 19:02:56
the cs go bubble is gettin smaller and smaller :D
2013-08-01 19:02:58
Seriously, CS:GO already destroyed so many great teams and it will destroy whole scene, mark my words.
2013-08-01 19:04:01
they should make more of this drama and maybe generate some income from the hits
2013-08-01 19:05:47
plz dont end the g5 era like this
2013-08-01 19:06:28
Sad things :/
2013-08-01 19:09:16
This thread is literally a goldmine where the mentally challenged of HLTV can fester.
2013-08-01 19:12:33
2013-08-01 19:17:17
I still dont understand how some sponsors dont see that CS Promod have big potential and it can have very strong scene and community because its cs 1.6 with better graphic and some things and way better than cs:go. So its a new game with old "spirit".
2013-08-01 19:16:24
since when cs promod is a new game? valve just forgot/ignored a golden rule: If something is working, dont change it! Sad to read this kind of stuff after all these years with G5, after all these great finals, great moments... Btw, Loord is 100% right about csgo.
2013-08-01 19:23:24
Promod is old as long as CS:GO and its not Valve's game and i didnt speak about Valve as a sponsor. Any company could support that game and im sure that it would be at least 3x more playable than CS:GO
2013-08-01 19:31:52
Yeah but I don't blame sponsors but promod's stupid management (not developers).
2013-08-02 16:00:31
dying? its already dead look at the pro teams the prizes so low so they dont want even travel to the tournaments ... even when cs 1.6 wasnt on top of esport in 2011 prizes was better for third place than for first place in cs go now... valve just need to make it f2p bec now its only way and start updating the game every week with useful updates if not this game going to die in half year
2013-08-01 19:16:53
f2p would make the game cheaters' heaven and about valve updating csgo with frequent big updates, dont think so. :/
2013-08-02 15:58:23
#CS:GOing nowhere
2013-08-01 19:17:37
Shit just got real :D
2013-08-01 19:18:30
[email protected]@ kids

2013-08-01 19:19:55
CS:Go is shit and always been. This game people strarted only play cus they had to...but its not fun anymore...they could just update graphic of cs 1.6 and many players could play it. But NO, they must do shitty game and made people play that and if they dont want.

They are in fuck. Sorry but valve suck. CS:go is death. Someone still can change it, but you must remake the whole game, because guns are not balanced...there is no skill just running and fullouting and get kills by headshots? really?

I am dissapointed. I was suprised that many players started play another games. But when i tryed the game myself. I wasnt suprised anymore.

If this game did not get name counter-strike...none player played it. PS: sry for my english. Thx. :)
2013-08-01 19:29:47
2013-08-01 19:34:37
hltv.org - time to switch to Dota 2?
2013-08-01 19:35:00
Sounds both bitter and thick, a deadly combination.
2013-08-01 19:36:55
Loord knows better but pasha played extremely good. Almost like starix in Navi. At some point and for quite a long time they were the best in there respective teams.
And of course LUq was good without doubt.

PS and whatever shit they I say now I will forever remember there victories.
2013-08-01 19:38:11
csgo is not dying, ex-1.6 players and teams are destroying it...

Do u see sourcers crying everywhere like 1.6 players?
Do u see pro teams from source fighting eachothers like 1.6 ones?

And all of u from 1.6 keep hating source and the players that came from it.

Hate incoming...
2013-08-01 19:40:51
+1 so many 1.6ers hate csgo because they are full zero in this game

Post edited 2013-08-01 19:47:34
2013-08-01 19:43:26
2013-08-01 19:47:44
No hate incoming, even after one year these stupid fanboys can't shut up and use every possibility to flame CS:GO. I agree with you on that source point and I am not a saucer.
2013-08-01 21:08:20
saucers are already used to play an almost-dead game cause sauce was always very small - no major title. it's normal for them to have just a few tournaments with low prize money, "top teams" not being able to travel overseas and only having teams from Europe.

Post edited 2013-08-02 10:36:15
2013-08-02 10:34:30
You are the hater here idiot.
2013-08-02 15:56:36
Completely agree. After all those year where 1.6 players bashed css in every possible way we can clearly see how things are...

Its only 1.6 who crying, Its mainly 1.6 teams who is failing, disbanding cos they are weak as fuck, I dont see saucers crying and disbanding, doing desperate things.

This is all domain of 1.6 do far what we could see in csgo.

Post edited 2013-08-02 16:11:01
2013-08-02 16:09:27
2013-08-01 19:42:29
bit of a shame the G5 has to die like this..... but GL Looord !
2013-08-01 19:45:53

If GO dies, all of the PC FPS scene will die. CoD is for Xbox and Battlefield isn't even competetive and 1.6 will never make a comeaback. People are tired of FPS games and you are tired of GO so together you are killing the FPS scene on PC.
2013-08-01 19:47:08
I guess it's time for new Unreal and Quake to revive 3D gaming scene. But those games have to be made "oldschool" style - that is 90% muliplayer focus, 10% single player focus. No fancy graphics, just skill oriented.
2013-08-01 19:55:32
CS and CoD all but killed that entire sub-genre. Even Q3 going f2p did nothing do increase the influx of new players.
2013-08-02 00:18:51

There are here some VERY STUPID GUYS.

Even if they get low amount of money, they are still being paid, so they are PROFESSIONALS !!!


So Loord, your argument is invalid, thats not a reason for you to back off from gaming (professional teams).

There arent a lot of professional teams , but there are A LOT OF TOP TEAMS, that can fight to the top 5/6. So i guess the competitive scene is way more on CSGO then in 1.6 .

If you cant handle the pressure, just back off :)

2013-08-01 19:48:50
not sure if u r trolling or just retarded. these guys were on top of 1.6 for like ~7years. won everything multiple times. name one, just one team how achieved more than G5...so how the fuck you can even say something about backing off or "cant handle the pressure", ha?
2013-08-01 19:57:45
Wow i must be fucking mental, i though they were playing CSGO, sorry

2013-08-02 15:45:23
this thread is for 1.6 fanboyz, nothing to do hereee.
2013-08-01 19:54:01
CS:GO = CS:S v2.
If you want to earn money from gaming you have to switch to RTS
Booring to watch the same team (NIP)win every tournament anyway.

tbh i really miss the days back in like 2008-2010 where i checked HLTV everyday for epic 1.6 matches

Post edited 2013-08-01 20:07:22
2013-08-01 20:03:46
Perhaps TaZ isn't such a good teamplayer. I remember an hour-long interview with LUq released just a few months after he got removed from the team and replaced with pasha. In this interview LUq totally bashed TaZ and said that he always tried to make himself look like he's the captain, the 'general' of the team and that he hasn't really been one. He also revealed that there was no friendship in the team and everyone liked to backstab each other depending on their current moods and results. He also said that it was TaZ who removed him from the team and the two particular guys, Loord and Kuben were afraid of losing their positions aswell so they didn't say a word.

Back then I thought it was just one-sided story of angry LUq (even though he's a much cooler guy than TaZ in the interviews), but right now it seems that TaZ isn't as great as he wants us to think he is.
2013-08-01 20:03:50
He is a good "teamplayer" while in game, outside of the game though he seems to be a jerk. It all seems just messed up how we find out that G5 were never really friends when we all thought that they used to win and be so dominant mostly because of the friendship they had.
2013-08-02 09:06:08
1.6 <3
2013-08-01 20:09:42
People like you are destroying the CS:GO scene and the FPS scene in general.
2013-08-01 20:25:16
2013-08-02 00:31:53
The scene of GO is destroyed by the game itself, you don't need to blame 1.6 fans on this. The game was a failure since thee begining.
2013-08-02 05:25:34
hahahaha what a joke !! :D
2013-08-02 11:57:39
god how stupid u are
2013-08-02 15:52:57
CS:GO is not the future. Just look at Morrocian scene. How many professional teams do they have? Two, three?
2013-08-01 20:16:16
What the Moroccan scene have to do with the CS:GO's futur ? :D
2013-08-02 11:59:20
What the Polisg scene has to do with CS:GO's futur? :D
2013-08-02 12:08:57
CS:GO is dying. gg

2013-08-01 20:17:27
Someone wrote above this:
"3. CS:GO will be dead within a year. The ship is sinking. The pace that the ship sinks will only increase from now."
I completely agree.
2013-08-01 20:50:33
2013-08-01 21:01:13
Am I the only one on HLTV who has fun playing cs:go ?
2013-08-01 21:05:39
Yes you are one of those 10% having fun while playing this thing ... Ow wait you talk about fun !! ...
2013-08-02 12:00:48
sad but true, hope Loord will find good team.
2013-08-01 21:06:34
he's retired.
2013-08-02 00:31:23
CS: GO away
2013-08-01 21:44:08
some harsh truth for go fanboys hahaha
2013-08-01 22:31:54
so sad... first luq now loord too
2013-08-01 22:33:18
LUq :\
2013-08-02 00:47:29
HAHAHAHAHA, and some saucers/go fanboys still dont validate my opinions and comments and think im just a hater, when infact i try to point out the issues and i get flamed. see? its not my private personal opinion, its a general feeling in the cs etheros. you have to be fucking blind or never been part of cs scene not to understand this. ignorance or stupidity, in many cases both.
2013-08-02 02:07:07
They should renew cs 1.6, do some patch, cuz this isnt working anymore, this become bussines, everything is about money, nothing about fun, cs 1.6 was game for fun, and cs:go is for money, just look how many team have sponsors, and how much is prize for tournament. This become capitalist like football. STOP MODERN GAMING!
2013-08-02 02:07:50
Loord we love you :( We know how good u r .. real pros know that u r the game changed.. I remember all those crucial rounds/ semis /finals.. where u sneak up and take some double-triple kills.. If anyone says that you are not good, they are blind... You played an equal role in getting up Golden5 to the level they are now.. pls dont take a piss on each other.. you guys are bros.. we loved you for a reason.. just bcuz there was only 1 player change all these years..... dont fall down..you guys dont deserve these troll comments,..- If you ever read this... From a legit 1.6 player
2013-08-02 03:22:39
Loord knows.

Specially what he daid about CS:GO, I think that only GeT_RiGhT really enjoys playing this, maybe f0rest aswell. All the other 1.6ers seems to play only for money, zero pleasure.
2013-08-02 05:18:55
To bad they never win. They feel bad because they are the average players now and not the best.
2013-08-02 11:26:49
Did loord expect that CS:GO would get 400.000 players? rofl

1.6 and source had both probably less than 100.000
2013-08-02 07:09:48
non-steam +200 000
2013-08-02 08:00:46
there are about 80K steam players maybe even more, but reacty has the point, there are huge numbers of non steam players
2013-08-02 11:00:25
yeah. all play for money man ..no pleasure at all. How dumb are you :D brazil brain
2013-08-02 08:10:09
It's weird how only just after a few years since LUq got replaced by Pasha i've realized how negative some of the G5 were towards him. For instance look at most of the post tournament win videos (reward ceremony, interviews), LUq was always just stood there while the other 4 were cheering, no one seemed to even cheer with him, one fine example is 2007 ESWC win against NoA, hes stood next to NEO like a shadow.

Also i find it really frustrating that we've only just got to meet the different side of Taz only just now have i realized that he was a jerk. At first LUq said it now Loord is saying it there must be something about it.
2013-08-02 09:04:12
I was SK fan. But this is very strong, and I am happy that he spoke to public everything and gave his opinion about that stupid game which does more damage than profit
2013-08-02 10:59:22
Last part didn't surprise me at all.
2013-08-02 13:10:46
2013-08-02 14:05:49
Which hltv admin has ever posted anything bad about GO?
They don't want GO to die out, it's what keeps this website alive!

lurppis is a news writer and everything he says is well supported by arguments, and that's what we call constructive criticism.
2013-08-02 14:46:17
loord is a honest person. I believe him more than taz. :)

And now csgo fanboys are going mad because they heard that that esc played csgo only for money. ;)

E: and without csgo they wouldn't have this war.

Post edited 2013-08-02 16:01:28
2013-08-02 15:51:37
2013-08-02 18:22:16
Sad :(
2013-08-02 18:33:08
Pasha on Facebook:

- "You want to know true about that?"

after many comments saying "yes"

- "Then I won't kurwa tell you :D"

now he edited that post lol xD

Post edited 2013-08-02 20:02:37
2013-08-02 19:58:16
ESC gaming is over now.
2013-08-02 20:15:17

CS:GO is not the future. Just look at our scene. How many teams do we have in Poland? Two, three?

How many successfull teams did Poland have before?

2013-08-03 08:48:27
sounds like excuses for sucking in go.
2013-08-03 16:10:31

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