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Former ESC Gaming member Mariusz "Loord" Cybulski has commented via his Facebook page on his departure from the team and also the current state of CS:GO.
The Polish veteran announced last month that he was retiring from gaming, this way confirming rumours about the breakup of the 'Golden Five, one of the most successful teams in the history of Counter-Strike, with three WCG titles to their name.
It had long been suspected that the atmosphere in the team was far from optimal, and the recent financial problems and lack of silverware in CS:GO only worsened the situation.
Cybulski has now criticised the way his team-mates treated him along the road, saying that the only player who acknowledged all he did was Filip "Neo" Kubski.
"If people that you played with for seven years, people that you spent more time with than with your family, treated you like they treated me, you would have done the same," he wrote on Facebook.
"The only person that has thanked me for everything I did for the team was Neo, who I personally have nothing against because he worked hard to be where he is now.
"Simply put, he had the talent, and that is why he is where he is now. He earned his position in the scene and the team, unlike some players who were destroying the team from the start and trying to shape themselves as superstars, appearing in every possible interview that there was."
This last remark is a jibe at Wiktor "TaZ" Wojtas, whom Cybulski partially holds responsible for the internal problems in the team.
"Was there a need to replace LUq with pasha? We had won five major tournaments in three years with LUq, while with pasha we only won two in the same amount of time," he continues.
"Who do you think that is responsible for all the changes in the team?"
Cybulski went on to discuss the notion that he was the weakest link in the team, stressing that unlike some of his team-mates, he was not obsessed with statistics.
"I did not change my playng style because I was tired of it, I changed it because some players on oru team were talking about statistics behind our back!," he added.
"I did not want to be a star, I was focused on winning. As you can see now... it was a big mistake."
During the early months of CS:GO, several ESC players publicly admitted that they did not enjoy playing the game, and Cybulski has now declared that he does not think the successor to 1.6 will last long.
"We took pleasure in playing 1.6, but CS:GO is a completely different story, we played it just because everyone was switching and because there were tournaments, prize money and the opportunity to compete," he explained.
"There was no pleasure. Why do you think that some players in our team started to focus on creating their own personal projectcs rather than on winning tournaments?
CS:GO is not the future. Just look at our scene. How many teams do we have in Poland? Two, three?
"Valve devotes its full attention to Dota 2 to rival LoL. 400,000 players play Dota 2, while CS:GO has like 30,000 players.
"Citing [ESL chief] Carmac at IEM Katowice, 'if you want to play CS:GO think of it as a pleasure and not as something serious'".
On a separate note, it really hurts my heart to read this :/
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CS;GO attracted ppl cuz of name rather then valors of a game.( that it was a well made game)
same in poland.. poland had huge scene in 1.6 but in csgo its a total crap.
our* fix :)
you seriously gonna wait CSGO if it's development time is as long as it's previous success game(1.6)?
CS:GO is a game made with 12+ years experience behind it.
If you look at most of the changes made since the beta they are either bug fixes which are inherent to switching engines and creating a new game, stats adjustments since no one can agree on what exactly are the best recoil patterns or how much damage the deagle should do, and competitive play improvements like leaderboards and stuff like that.
So comparing the development of go with that of CS 1.0 is not that insane.
And GO did learned something from previous CS versions, it kept the winning formula and is trying to improve it (again by trial and error, to bad that the community can't appreciate the work that it's being made), the first versions of CS didn't even had the defuse game mode, at least they started with that in mind this time around.
None of that is Trial and Error stuff, it's down right stupidity. Valve have no intention to make this a competitive game, they just want to grab as much money from the Counter-Strike franchise as possible.
2. Why do you even care about matchmaking LOL. As i mentioned its made for fun.
btw, if you guys thinks if csgo dies 1.6 will come back, thats not true, no sponsor will go to a 10 year old game anymore, stop whining about csgo.
Post edited 2013-08-01 17:36:42
There we're so many players, far more than CS:GO will probably ever have.
Just because there are more players doesn't mean it's a better game...
If you put in those terms, TF2(and don't say that it has more players because it's F2P. Even before it became F2P, it still had bigger number of players than 1.6 and GO!) since it's one FPS is way much better than CS:GO and CS 1.6...
Why not move on to TF2?!
Post edited 2013-08-01 18:22:13
Way more, TF2 was nominated by a lot of game magazines (GAME OF THE YEAR) in 2007.
Tell me 1 time, when 1.6 was nominated game of the year ?
You cant even compare TF2 to CS 1.6, it has like 4x/5x more people, and dont say me that its because its f2p, cuz 1.6 like 2 years ago ,was 5e no steam lol.
Post edited 2013-08-01 18:38:23
My bad VeryGames isn't playing fulltime.
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Ninjas in Pyjamas
ROCCAT - if true about their organization.
Virtus.PRO and Fnatic, although they don't have an up-and-running team as of now - I'll count ESC in here because of the situation.
Probably also LDLC, SteelShock, k1ck, fm-eSports, Infused although they suck, dignitas.
CSGO cant compete with LoL DotA or Sc2. Furthermore the game is terrible and VALVE dont give a fuck.
Post edited 2013-08-01 21:55:57
There is no more competitive big fps game apart from cod and cs. Cod getting bigger.
Dont be mad kiddie. You are bad, deal with it.
"Cod getting bigger" ?
"You are bad" ?
I mean they are the only games making people to live out.Only NiP can do it from CSGO. We can consider more than 8 teams doing it at LoL/DotA and same with players in SC2. You clearly have no clue pubber.
"Cod getting bigger" ?
And bigger. Checkout MLG etc at USA. We better don't talk about spectators and people following the game. You clearly have no clue pubber x2.
"You are bad" ?
Yes, you are. You call me a fucktard when i didn't insult you so ye you probably are a kid without any type of real/social life who is bad at everygame so you need to insult.
Thanks in advance pubber.
Its like im f0rest but i play 5 hours on one week so im not pro.
I doubt that any of the american teams is playing fulltime since they basically play 2 or 3 events a year.
Lemondogs playing fulltime? The last event I saw them was Dreamhack.
I remember Pimp saying that he was on a school trip so they couldn't practice. So yeah they all play fulltime.
Other than that EVEN VeryGames is NOT playing fulltime some of the guys are studying beside playing thats why they had to skip events in the past.
Post edited 2013-08-01 17:47:27
what about u bro?
You dont know if they cant make a life out of it.
Btw tell me 1 team who receives more then the average salary in their country to play CS .
Wake up monkey boy
"Btw tell me 1 team who receives more then the average salary in their country to play CS"
I stand corrected. CS is just not enough for professionalism or to be considered as a chance to be pro in terms of making life of it.
Profession as in professional.. I don't think "International CSGO players" can be considered as a job/profession? Not because one can't but because it is not possible..
unless you are NiP.
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"We took pleasure in playing 1.6, but CS:GO is a completely different story, we played it just because everyone was switching and because there were tournaments, prize money and the opportunity to compete,"
"Was there a need to replace LUq with pasha? We had won five major tournaments in three years with LUq, while with pasha we only won two in the same amount of time," he continues."
I knew Taz was the problem.
Post edited 2013-08-01 17:37:51
if you make games for a living, which game do you develop? one that has a small user base, sells only once for a ridiculous price, or one that has a huge player base, keeps selling more and more items every day that are often more expensive than buying the smaller game?
of course they are in direct competition! actually, for the most part all games are in direct competition!
you can argue that some benefits can come from investing time / money in smaller games, but we're talking about different scales completely.
having said that, I'm still a hardcore FPS fan, but that doesn't change reality.
Post edited 2013-08-01 18:15:49
"CS:GO is not the future"
you want them to say that this game is the thing? and expect them to praise it? I think not.
Bottom line team has no motivation and is past it's prime time. Time to call it a day and move one no need to be sour.
His post is saying they didn't enjoy the game from the very moment they started playing. They didn't want to leave 1.6, which they DID enjoy. They were forced to change, much like many other 1.6 teams were.
I can totally believe that Loord didn't enjoy the game as much as he enjoyed 1.6. Why? Because many people, including myself, don't enjoy the game as much as 1.6. And if you're not enjoying the game, it's axiomatic you won't play to your best.
And honestly, it's pretty damn disrespectful for you to trash one of the best ever counter-strike teams.
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Also: Every single Brazilian team is worse in GO than ESC. So why do they keep playing it? By your logic they must hate the game.
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Btw there are various degrees of success. ESC is not successful when compared to teams like NiP. They themselves admited that they didn't felt they were performing well. There are brazillian teams here that are successful when compared to the teams they play against, and if you ask them, I bet most of them will say that they they're doing fine, and that they like CSGO, despite never being close to european top teams. Oh, and we actually have good teams, good players, I have no idea if they could beat ESC, and neither do you. Just wait for ESWC and you'll see how good they are.
Now, when you extend this flawed and biased comparation of yours to millions of 4fun players, I ask you: what a 4fun player needs to feel successful? How good you have to be to kick almost everyone's asses on 4fun servers? I guess you know the answer, and I rest my case.
Bullshit. There are thousands of people who play GO, suck at it but still enjoy it. And 'm not talking about "4fun players", I'm talking about competitive players who try to become the best.
It's not like the ESC guys had always success in 1.6. In fact they were mostly the underdogs and they won just 1-3 events a year (often the big ones). They went through several periods of no success and still they never said that they don't enjoy playing the game.
They simply don't like GO. Deal with it die-hard-fanboy.
The difference between your and my reasoning is that you believe that missing success makes people telling lies about their feeling toward the game, while I say it's the exact opposite: if you're financially bond to the game you won't trash it. And my theory makes a lot more sense: If you don't have success and you trashtalk the game nothing will change - you won't get success or money by trashtalking the game. But if you have success and earn a lot of money by playing the game you have an interest in talking good about the game: You will help the game to get more viewers and by that more sponsors and by that more money for you.
Post edited 2013-08-02 19:00:30
sponsors and events shifted from 1.6 to go they could have retired with glory.
But instead the switched to a game they said they don't like and clearly cannot play it at top lvl (irrelevant of the not liking it part) so I am in my right to say that this team which I praised in the 1.6 days never performed in go and never will irrelevant of their motivation to play,Not everyone can adapt to CS go.
So why not just retire and safe face what's left of it. And its funny for lord to critize Taz when Taz was the only one performing decently and consistently in go.
CS go will survive it wont be like the 1.6 golden years but it will survive but to come out saying its dying cause your team was incapable of adapting is horse shit they said the same thing when nip was winning everything ( go look it up) that this game is gonna die soon cause nip always win look what happens nowadays nip have competion.
Hate to break it to you and other fanboys the polish team are not good enough in go irrelevent of their success in 1.6 they are still not a good top tier team in Go
Post edited 2013-08-01 19:06:13
1. Are you really trying to fault them for trying CS:GO? They obviously didn't want to retire, and wanted to continue playing counter-strike. It's not their fault the game did not deliver.
2. G5 isn't less skilled or incapable of playing CS:GO. They simply don't have the passion or motivation for it. They're a team that is famous for requiring passion and motivation to perform at their best. And honestly, that's not their fault. It's valve's fault for making a lackluster game.
3. CS:GO will be dead within a year. The ship is sinking. The pace that the ship sinks will only increase from now.
Post edited 2013-08-01 20:08:38
You suggest that its not their fault that they don't perform well, that its Valve's fault for making a bad game, hence its the game's fault! Well, if it is like that, everyone should be bad, not just some people. See? Thats logic and good reasoning, maybe you should focus on it instead of making false statements about my english proficiency.
let me address your 3 points
1st everyone is free to try Go what is not right is their behaviour on their part. everyone is entitled to their opinion, what I find distasteful is they said they don't like the game and they still tried to play it at a competitive lvl, when they failed miserably they come out saying cs go doesn't deliver game is dying and so on.
other prominent players said they don't like Go they strived to improve and they adapted they didn't go and cry like esc did when they didn't adapt. we so it two time (when nip was unbeatable they said that nip is killing go and now this )
2nd point yes they are less skilled in go as it has shown time and time when it comes to raw aiming skill they are not there in go as they were in 1.6, their overall playstle is inefficient and almost none existent as seen countless times these last months.
In regards to motivation that's not valve's problem. they have to find it in themselves as I said why did they play professionally this game when they don't like this game no one was putting a knife to their troath saying you have to play it.
3rd point my favourite one, watch as go will not die it will most probably be at a stalemate it will not grow to the 1.6 years unless valves intervenes but it wont die either.
2. G5, with the exception of Neo, were generally thought to be less individually skilled than others in 1.6. Yet they still won so many big comps. Why? The difference is passion and motivation. Taz even said that himself in the podcast.
3. Motivation is valve's problem. Trace specifically said when he quit, that he probably wouldn't of if the game was better. People are leaving the game, i.e. lacking motivation, because it's a bad game. You can't blame the players for not wanting to force themselves to eat valve's shit
Are you dumb or what? He didn't criticize TaZ for being bad in the game or something like that. He criticized him for acting like a cunt.
Post edited 2013-08-02 10:06:13
np , his statement that loord quoted is true :D
Well, there you go.
there's a list of shit that needs to be done that exists for almost a year
valve fixes one thing out of that list
adds 3 more things nobody asked for
and proceeds to break something in the process
weak point here
It's so hard to read these words from Loord. I love G5 for their durability to these looses which they had in CS:GO. But knowledge of SO big probs in team makes me sad as hell.
I always had feeling what only good relationship and friendship made them survive whole this horror in CS:GO and win all championship @1.6 they won.
And I thought Taz is great person, very friendly and opened for people.
And the most shame is for blaming Loord for his "low skill" @HLTV.org threads. This guy was one of the most consistent players in whole CS scene.
Statistic for kids and retards.
Sad as fuck..
Post edited 2013-08-01 17:50:01
"we played it just because everyone was switching and because there were tournaments, prize money and the opportunity to compete"
There you got the truth, all switch because of the tournaments, not because it's a good game.
Thank you Loord for pointing it out so we all could read it.
Complete moron lmao.
upcoming : richek , 743j , and some other randoms.
dont even bother replying to me , hf :D:D:D *takes out popcorn*
Name more than three teams that are being paid to play the game.
Post edited 2013-08-01 17:55:01
There were other polish teams in 1.6 that played fulltime and were getting salaries except ESC and may be DELTA? I doubt it. So it's completely stupid to accuse CS:GO in destroying polish professional scene. -> He was talking about the whole CS:GO scene or he meant all teams which are playing competitively.
I dont know about the 1.6 polish scene.
But sure, the polish 1.6 scene didnt have much mroe than three either, so yeah.
Post edited 2013-08-01 18:19:15
Not sure though :)
We had many more before that too, 3D, Begrip, Millenium, eSahara, mibr, firegames, NoA, etc
Post edited 2013-08-01 18:34:13
SK, fnatic, ESC, Na'Vi, there you have four and I do believe that the likes of M5 and mouz was able to do it professionally aswell.
However, even there were less pro teams in 1.6 (which it wasn't), that isn't something to brag about as CS 1.6 was in a shitty state aswell. Hell of a lot better than this though.
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He was talking about POLISH scene, not EUROPEAN/WORLD.
And its "CS:GO is not the future. " true :)
I think it's fantastic that the 1.6 scene came over to GO too, theres a hell of a lot of competition and some of the teams and players are brilliant. What I do dislike is the vocal majority of the 1.6 community that seemingly had their brain development halted while still a foetus.
P.S. I'm older than you. Not that it makes much of a difference as I'm obviously a lot more literate regardless, but I'd just point it out since you decided to make a childish comment.
Poland has the 2nd/3rd biggest CS player base in the world.
You're allowed to think whatever you want, random English person :)
It's just a freaking expression -.-'
1. The act of expressing, conveying, or representing in words, art, music, or movement; a manifestation: an expression of rural values.
2. Something that expresses or communicates: Let this plaque serve as an expression of our esteem.
3. Mathematics A symbol or combination of symbols that represents a quantity or a relationship between quantities.
4. The manner in which one expresses oneself, especially in speaking, depicting, or performing.
5. A particular word or phrase: "an old Yankee expression . . . 'Stand up and be counted'" (Charles Kuralt).
6. The outward manifestation of a mood or a disposition: My tears are an expression of my grief.
7. A facial aspect or a look that conveys a special feeling: an expression of scorn.
8. The act of pressing or squeezing out.
9. Genetics The act or process of expressing a gene.
It is none of them, you clearly meant it to be derogatory towards me.
You really are mad aren't you.
It is an expression, I've heard native speakers use ( I've been living in an international environment for 6 years now)
Random XXXXXXX Person is completely acceptable, regardless of whether you put English, American, German or Macedonian and it usually is not meant to be offensive.
Hell there's even a song titled "A random english person".
Basically what you're trying to do is tell me, MY intentions lol
Post edited 2013-08-03 07:39:04
How stupid are you? hahahahahaah
Post edited 2013-08-02 16:05:17
As I said above, that doesn't specify the Polish scene. If he is claiming that CS:GO's future is bleak, because the Polish scene only has a few teams then I have news for him. Poland is not the be all and end all of Counterstrike.
"Sorry hltv.org, I love you but you destroyed our team" (c) TAZ
Post edited 2013-08-01 18:21:12
CS:GO destroyed CS scene, we want 1.6 back :)
Post edited 2013-08-01 23:47:27
If only GO were a better game.
If you know a bit about basketball think of CS:GO as the LA Lakers.
Their Kobe mania is gonna last for a few more years, but Kobe is the reason why they won't be successful.
GO just prolonged the CS scene's life, it did not extend it, which is what we ( the scene) wanted.
atm the GO scene is a combination of scraps here and there.
I agree with the fact that 1.6 was bound to die out, but the transition should've been smoother, not forced and rushed up.
At the moment GO is simply not good enough of a game to keep this scene alive.
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if the community retards and diehard pros didnt trash talk the game at every chance then we wouldnt be in this position
but players like ceh9 chose to say that csgo is shit and that he will NEVER play it to please the fans
half a year later and hes playing this game because he didnt realize that sponsors didnt want to support a game that needs no hardware at all to run
And it's not like GO is getting more money than 1.6 in the last days got lol.
It's basically only few of the tournaments that sponsored 1.6 that are now sponsoring GO, in addition to that there's MadCatz and ESEA global tournaments.
There aren't any new sponsors, CSGO hasn't done shit, it just softened the blow and made it last for another year or so -.-
I really hope that we see new tournaments picking up CSGO but with the way Valve's treating the community (they're not even aware what they're doing), I honestly doubt something will happen.
Loord is right :)
And yes the problem is not Loord, luq or skill.. the problem is Taz. Skill isnt everything ...
Post edited 2013-08-01 18:08:54
taz is spurious
FUCK CS:GO & TaZ
Valve have to invest more money to CSGO if they want to keep it alive or make it dead and invest money in CSP and help them to release it and the whole crying would be over!
Loord was one of the best clutch players in 1.6 and was starting to play better in go. Singling him out was stupid since most of esc stars are nowhere near their 1.6 form.
I don't want to see only LoL/Dota 2 and SC2 in big events. Those games are soooo boring, CS:GO at least gives me chills when someone is in a 1vX clutch.
So please don't kill true e-sport.
Loord was never good at it at all. So i think his statements are not fully justified.
Anyways CS is dead and valve killed it
NEO IS THE BEST PLAYER
HE DONT NEED STUPID DRAMAS
They are in fuck. Sorry but valve suck. CS:go is death. Someone still can change it, but you must remake the whole game, because guns are not balanced...there is no skill just running and fullouting and get kills by headshots? really?
I am dissapointed. I was suprised that many players started play another games. But when i tryed the game myself. I wasnt suprised anymore.
If this game did not get name counter-strike...none player played it. PS: sry for my english. Thx. :)
And of course LUq was good without doubt.
PS and whatever shit they I say now I will forever remember there victories.
Do u see sourcers crying everywhere like 1.6 players?
Do u see pro teams from source fighting eachothers like 1.6 ones?
And all of u from 1.6 keep hating source and the players that came from it.
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Its only 1.6 who crying, Its mainly 1.6 teams who is failing, disbanding cos they are weak as fuck, I dont see saucers crying and disbanding, doing desperate things.
This is all domain of 1.6 do far what we could see in csgo.
Post edited 2013-08-02 16:11:01
If GO dies, all of the PC FPS scene will die. CoD is for Xbox and Battlefield isn't even competetive and 1.6 will never make a comeaback. People are tired of FPS games and you are tired of GO so together you are killing the FPS scene on PC.
There are here some VERY STUPID GUYS.
Even if they get low amount of money, they are still being paid, so they are PROFESSIONALS !!!
Even though, this is a FUCKING GAME, IF YOU WANT TO EARN A GOOD AMOUNT OF MONEY, GO TO WORK , NOT SITTING IN A FUCKING CHAIR AND PLAY A GAME.
So Loord, your argument is invalid, thats not a reason for you to back off from gaming (professional teams).
There arent a lot of professional teams , but there are A LOT OF TOP TEAMS, that can fight to the top 5/6. So i guess the competitive scene is way more on CSGO then in 1.6 .
If you cant handle the pressure, just back off :)
If you want to earn money from gaming you have to switch to RTS
Booring to watch the same team (NIP)win every tournament anyway.
tbh i really miss the days back in like 2008-2010 where i checked HLTV everyday for epic 1.6 matches
Post edited 2013-08-01 20:07:22
Back then I thought it was just one-sided story of angry LUq (even though he's a much cooler guy than TaZ in the interviews), but right now it seems that TaZ isn't as great as he wants us to think he is.
"3. CS:GO will be dead within a year. The ship is sinking. The pace that the ship sinks will only increase from now."
I completely agree.
Specially what he daid about CS:GO, I think that only GeT_RiGhT really enjoys playing this, maybe f0rest aswell. All the other 1.6ers seems to play only for money, zero pleasure.
1.6 and source had both probably less than 100.000
Also i find it really frustrating that we've only just got to meet the different side of Taz only just now have i realized that he was a jerk. At first LUq said it now Loord is saying it there must be something about it.
Which hltv admin has ever posted anything bad about GO?
They don't want GO to die out, it's what keeps this website alive!
lurppis is a news writer and everything he says is well supported by arguments, and that's what we call constructive criticism.
And now csgo fanboys are going mad because they heard that that esc played csgo only for money. ;)
E: and without csgo they wouldn't have this war.
Post edited 2013-08-02 16:01:28
- "You want to know true about that?"
after many comments saying "yes"
- "Then I won't kurwa tell you :D"
now he edited that post lol xD
Post edited 2013-08-02 20:02:37
CS:GO is not the future. Just look at our scene. How many teams do we have in Poland? Two, three?
How many successfull teams did Poland have before?