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Canadian map developers Diego Liatis and Frédéric Denis could be fined $50,000 CAD (approximately €37,000) for reproducing a Montréal subway station in CS:GO, Le Journal de Montréal reports.
Liatis and Denis had asked for permission from Montréal's City Council to recreate the subway station of Berri-UQAM in Valve's FPS game, but their request was met with a firm rejection.
They still decided to carry on with the project, and could now face legal trouble if the map is released as STM, Montréal's public transit commission, is looking to begin legal action against them.
The map was designed to be used in a local CS:GO tournament that will be held in early March in Montréal. Denis described the situation as "ridiculous".
"We did not create something that is behind STM's closed walls," he told Le Journal de Montréal.
"If terrorists want to know what an STM subway station looks like, all they have to do is take the subway."
What a shame:x
Back in the days i was checking gamespot, etajv, ign,...
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I think he was referring to property actually owned by the municipality or the state.
I've got no idea whether its true what he says although I'd argue that even if it was true, its most likely just a formality. Since the French constitution is written with the idea that the sovereignty of the state belongs only to the people of France compared to England for example, where the parliament is considered sovereign, however what is the difference in practice - probably nothing.
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You are allowed to step on any of those. And you are allowed to take pictures/videos if no one said something else or if there is a sign which states what is forbidden to do on the property. But taking the rights and making a map out of it into a game and most likely earn cash for it could violate copyrights in the video game industry. Especially if you asked them and they said no. And even were so stupid to use the exact name of the subway.
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What I meant is that a privately own building is not a public place (not public in lay man terms but public in legal sense), its a privately own building in which the owner is within his rights to deny access to it whenever he pleases to do so and for almost any reason.
Public property doesn't work in a same, way although it may often look exactly the same from the outside or at the very least confusingly similar.
Do you understand the distinction that I am making? I wont bother to go further with my point if you dont get this..
Yes, kind of (that's more complicated than that tho)
And you're wrong, the company that runs the subway in Paris is public. Stop talking about things you don't know...
And thats not the point idiot. Fucking read
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love u man :D
"Liatis and Denis had asked for permission from Montréal's City Council to recreate the subway station of Berri-UQAM in Valve's FPS game, but their request was met with a firm rejection."
Canada has it's right to take actions against this.
The producers asked for permission, but got rejected BUT THEY STILL PRODUCED THE MAP.
Eventhough it's only a computer game map, the idea of creating it was rejected.
so technically the people own the metro, and they didnt need to ask anyone for permission
so technically your argument would not hold up in court
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My point was that your "reasoning" to how the law and citizen ownership works was bollocks, which is true.
Now explain what the fuck are you dribbling about de_train, valve and eu rail(wtf is that?)?
"Works in the Public Domain
Public domain refers to works that belong to the public. Works in the public domain can be used free of charge and do not require written permission from the author/creator.
Works can be in the public domain for a variety of reasons. Examples: the term of the copyright has expired, the work was not eligible for copyright protection in the first place, or the copyright owner has authorized the public to use the work without permission or payment.
Some examples of works in the public domain are explained below."
"The organization of the public sector (public ownership) can take several forms, including:
Direct administration funded through taxation; the delivering organization generally has no specific requirement to meet commercial success criteria, and production decisions are determined by government."
STM is funded by the municipal taxes collected from the people of montreal. it is therefore a public company. it is impossible to copyright a location in canada, therefore as a public space the map developers dont need permission to recreate it in csgo.
which part of that was unclear the first time?
My point was this: "..your "reasoning" to how the law and citizen ownership works was bollocks, which is true."
I'll just ignore bombing of trains, EU and other weird stuff you said in between that.
Why are you copy pasting me some elementary website about Canada's copyright laws?
I said nothing about copy rights in the first place, I hardly even commented on the whole ordeal but as you have probably read STM is only "considering" to sue these guys - main reason that they stated being that they (STM) are afraid that the cs map will create unease in the passengers of the metro.
Go away troll
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They ARE F*CKING SICK PEOPLE
This month due to f*cking taliban, over 700 people killed in bombing attacks in Peshawar and Quetta.
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I dont really think pre fire corner while 'strafing' would be a good idea against real cops
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e.g. walking out of a store and forgetting to pay for something vs stealing
they are stealing.