Map developers face $50,000 fine
By: MIRAA
Time: 2013-02-19 13:53
Game: Counter-Strike: Global Offensive

Canadian map developers Diego Liatis and Frédéric Denis could be fined $50,000 CAD (approximately €37,000) for reproducing a Montréal subway station in CS:GO, Le Journal de Montréal reports.

Liatis and Denis had asked for permission from Montréal's City Council to recreate the subway station of Berri-UQAM in Valve's FPS game, but their request was met with a firm rejection.

They still decided to carry on with the project, and could now face legal trouble if the map is released as STM, Montréal's public transit commission, is looking to begin legal action against them.

The map was designed to be used in a local CS:GO tournament that will be held in early March in Montréal. Denis described the situation as "ridiculous".

"We did not create something that is behind STM's closed walls," he told Le Journal de Montréal.

"If terrorists want to know what an STM subway station looks like, all they have to do is take the subway."

wtf
2013-02-19 13:54:28
retards...
2013-02-19 13:55:20
Haha, this is so funny.
2013-02-19 13:55:34
by: JNUPS
#4
what the actual fuck LOL
2013-02-19 13:55:42
by: xb0y
#5
Awkward moment when government authorities act like kids.
2013-02-19 13:56:06
+1.
i mean... what... the... FUCK?!
2013-02-19 14:06:52
Wow! Yeah! What an "awkward moment"!
2013-02-19 14:42:46
Wow..... but Battlefield 3 can have a subway station that is in Paris?
2013-02-19 13:57:44
I don't even know if they asked them the permission to make a map of it, and imo they wouldn't have rejected BF3 developpers.
2013-02-19 14:06:05
You never know bro, it's like those planes the GTA4 developers couldn't implement in their game because people would use it to crash into US famous buildings ...

What a shame:x
2013-02-19 14:35:24
by: Schypher - HLTV.org
#101
As believable that can be, that was not the case. The reasons why they didn't added planes it was because it was just one city, one airport. They tried to recreate New York as realistic as possible. Why put planes when the city was small was hell and you could only land in one place?
2013-02-19 16:11:16
really weird that is what saw on different gaming sites ? :x

Back in the days i was checking gamespot, etajv, ign,...
2013-02-19 17:49:43
My friend works at rockstar and what schypher says is true
2013-02-19 21:05:25
oho it was a myth !
2013-02-19 22:14:38
The law is different in France. Here public places are public property so you are allowed to copy them in video games, animation movies etc

Post edited 2013-02-19 14:35:41
2013-02-19 14:35:08
by: VxO4
#88
So what you are telling me any public building in france is owned by the people. Thats bs. Espeically subway stations are could be owned by private/business who runs the subway.

Post edited 2013-02-19 15:38:39
2013-02-19 15:37:21
If subway station is owned by a company it is no longer a public building though, is it?

I think he was referring to property actually owned by the municipality or the state.

I've got no idea whether its true what he says although I'd argue that even if it was true, its most likely just a formality. Since the French constitution is written with the idea that the sovereignty of the state belongs only to the people of France compared to England for example, where the parliament is considered sovereign, however what is the difference in practice - probably nothing.

Post edited 2013-02-19 16:20:31
2013-02-19 16:20:08
not sure if stupid or trolling. SO you are not allowed to enter any store anymore to your logic without asking the seller to step in?

You are allowed to step on any of those. And you are allowed to take pictures/videos if no one said something else or if there is a sign which states what is forbidden to do on the property. But taking the rights and making a map out of it into a game and most likely earn cash for it could violate copyrights in the video game industry. Especially if you asked them and they said no. And even were so stupid to use the exact name of the subway.

Post edited 2013-02-19 16:29:38
2013-02-19 16:23:53
You have no idea what I am saying, thats obvious. I'll try to be simple and explain:

What I meant is that a privately own building is not a public place (not public in lay man terms but public in legal sense), its a privately own building in which the owner is within his rights to deny access to it whenever he pleases to do so and for almost any reason.

Public property doesn't work in a same, way although it may often look exactly the same from the outside or at the very least confusingly similar.

Do you understand the distinction that I am making? I wont bother to go further with my point if you dont get this..
2013-02-20 11:09:27
yes but i exactly explained that. I agree with you since i pretty much said the same
2013-02-21 16:53:56
"So what you are telling me any public building in france is owned by the people"
Yes, kind of (that's more complicated than that tho)

And you're wrong, the company that runs the subway in Paris is public. Stop talking about things you don't know...
2013-02-19 17:24:25
we were talking about the one and canada smarty
And thats not the point idiot. Fucking read
2013-02-19 18:24:55
"Wow..... but Battlefield 3 can have a subway station that is in Paris?"

That's the first sentence, the one I was answering to. Learn to read you mong
2013-02-19 18:38:23
Obviously EA were actually granted permission to do it, unlike these Canadians.
2013-02-19 14:42:25
Yeah obviously they asked for the permission, yes. What I meant is that they had the right to copy it even without asking
2013-02-19 17:19:46
BF3's subway isn't a specific play based on a real subway, this is, thus they can be fined.
2013-02-19 18:15:36
gg Canada
2013-02-19 13:57:49
by: JgS^G
#9
notbad :D
2013-02-19 13:58:22
This kind of people are so f**ing boring

Post edited 2013-02-19 14:00:05
2013-02-19 13:59:40
its probably best we don't make bomb simulators of 1:1 real life places.
2013-02-19 13:59:59
by: Jeza
#39
People wonder why there is bad press about games. This is just retarded.
2013-02-19 14:32:02
lol wtf
2013-02-19 14:00:57
by: tfg
#16
"If terrorists want to know what an STM subway station looks like, all they have to do is take the subway"
love u man :D
2013-02-19 14:03:11
LOL WUT
2013-02-19 14:05:46
They asked for permission, were told no, then did it anyway. Serves them right.
2013-02-19 14:07:33
+1
2013-02-19 14:12:57
+1
2013-02-19 14:43:11
+1
2013-02-19 15:34:40
+1
2013-02-19 16:31:24
SORRY CANADA SORRY !
2013-02-19 14:07:42
canadian troublemakers? i thought they would only apologize each other for half an hour
2013-02-19 14:08:50
don't forget hockey
2013-02-19 14:16:03
...and beavers
2013-02-19 17:47:10
nha we are not brazilllllllllllllllian
2013-02-19 19:28:31
sorry eh
2013-02-19 19:33:52
by: DUZ
#26
Damn!
2013-02-19 14:09:20
There are more many possibilities to get killed by a policeman that by a terrorist!
2013-02-19 14:09:37
lol'd

Post edited 2013-02-19 14:27:07
2013-02-19 14:16:11
Pretty much their fault and retarded of them
"Liatis and Denis had asked for permission from Montréal's City Council to recreate the subway station of Berri-UQAM in Valve's FPS game, but their request was met with a firm rejection."
2013-02-19 14:19:32
Well.
Canada has it's right to take actions against this.

The producers asked for permission, but got rejected BUT THEY STILL PRODUCED THE MAP.
Eventhough it's only a computer game map, the idea of creating it was rejected.

2013-02-19 14:21:13
if im not mistaken STM is a public company, which means they receive funding from the city which is taken from municipal taxes.

so technically the people own the metro, and they didnt need to ask anyone for permission
2013-02-19 15:03:13
if im not mistaken Saint1 doesnt know what he is talking about

so technically your argument would not hold up in court

Post edited 2013-02-19 16:24:38
2013-02-19 16:24:21
so by your logic eu rail can sue valve because de_train encourages bombing of trains?
2013-02-19 17:08:53
eu rail? What are you talking about? How could you possibly get that idea from what I posted.

My point was that your "reasoning" to how the law and citizen ownership works was bollocks, which is true.

Now explain what the fuck are you dribbling about de_train, valve and eu rail(wtf is that?)?
2013-02-20 11:02:54
since you dont seem to be getting the point

"Works in the Public Domain

Public domain refers to works that belong to the public. Works in the public domain can be used free of charge and do not require written permission from the author/creator.

Works can be in the public domain for a variety of reasons. Examples: the term of the copyright has expired, the work was not eligible for copyright protection in the first place, or the copyright owner has authorized the public to use the work without permission or payment.

Some examples of works in the public domain are explained below."


http://publications.gc.ca/site/eng/ccl/aboutCopyri..

"The organization of the public sector (public ownership) can take several forms, including:

Direct administration funded through taxation; the delivering organization generally has no specific requirement to meet commercial success criteria, and production decisions are determined by government."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_sector

STM is funded by the municipal taxes collected from the people of montreal. it is therefore a public company. it is impossible to copyright a location in canada, therefore as a public space the map developers dont need permission to recreate it in csgo.

which part of that was unclear the first time?
2013-02-20 14:12:44
Your point was this: "so technically the people own the metro, and they didnt need to ask anyone for permission"

My point was this: "..your "reasoning" to how the law and citizen ownership works was bollocks, which is true."

I'll just ignore bombing of trains, EU and other weird stuff you said in between that.

Why are you copy pasting me some elementary website about Canada's copyright laws?

I said nothing about copy rights in the first place, I hardly even commented on the whole ordeal but as you have probably read STM is only "considering" to sue these guys - main reason that they stated being that they (STM) are afraid that the cs map will create unease in the passengers of the metro.

Go away troll

Post edited 2013-02-20 20:39:21
2013-02-20 20:39:02
map makers have no reason to ask for permission. the only issue is ability to reproduce the station, they cant sue because theyre afraid it might cause panic with their passengers. get it right
2013-02-21 00:24:11
this is law by logic, not law by reality.
2013-02-19 18:20:26
sick people, ridiculous brain there lol rly fucktards
2013-02-19 14:27:43
by: Dok1
#38
name it different, change some mapdesign elements and there you go...
2013-02-19 14:29:47
hehe indeed xD
2013-02-19 14:37:46
by: VxO4
#87
exactly just call it de_subway and here we go.
2013-02-19 15:35:25
This is just so stupid that its actually funny haha

Post edited 2013-02-19 14:37:25
2013-02-19 14:36:31
I wonder how many real terrorist wanna use this to plan their attacks.
2013-02-19 14:45:45
Who would even play this map?
2013-02-19 14:53:23
yep, they should make de_pentagon instead
2013-02-19 17:51:32
They should have been fined for making terrible maps
2013-02-19 14:47:35
yea whole taliban is playing cs:go in some cave
2013-02-19 14:52:58
lold
2013-02-19 14:57:08
I read somewhere that taliban enjoyed playing COD :D
2013-02-19 15:06:16
lol? their 8 to 20 years old children learn to behead Pakistani and other locals, why would they wanna play cod?
They ARE F*CKING SICK PEOPLE
This month due to f*cking taliban, over 700 people killed in bombing attacks in Peshawar and Quetta.

Post edited 2013-02-21 15:42:36
2013-02-21 15:40:24
by: Alth
#58
The government believes anybody who plays that map in counterstrike will want to replicate what they did in the real life version. Cos games make you shoot people right.
2013-02-19 14:57:07
seems like montreal city council is full of 1.6 fanboys who dont want cs:go to succeed :(
2013-02-19 14:57:18
no but they do hand over construction contracts to mobsters in exchange for money.
2013-02-20 03:19:03
link for the map?:P
2013-02-19 15:02:12
at first i thought valve was gonna sue them xD
2013-02-19 15:03:42
lol?
2013-02-19 15:04:29
Retarded people are retarded.
2013-02-19 15:06:02
i live 10 min away from that metro lmao fkn french government is really fucked here in quebec, you need fluint french to get a job here its annoying
2013-02-19 15:12:04
Nah, it's all fine http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=529_1361049066
2013-02-19 16:06:59
hilarious XD
2013-02-20 04:13:36
And the map is not even good, omg. They are serious retards.
2013-02-19 15:12:40
by: EgeS
#75
LMAO I take that metro station everyday. Going to be fun playing this map tonight.
2013-02-19 15:13:40
by: rbx
#151
likewise!!
2013-02-19 18:26:22
+1
2013-02-19 20:08:20
cool story bro
2013-02-19 15:14:46
crazy haha
2013-02-19 15:15:06
i shit myself laughing.
2013-02-19 15:26:32
HAHA
2013-02-19 15:29:05
lolololol

Post edited 2013-02-19 15:34:55
2013-02-19 15:34:10
Good, I'm glad this happend.
2013-02-19 15:34:28
lol why they asked for permission in the first place? is not like they are making a movie :D
2013-02-19 15:44:49
lol
2013-02-19 15:47:36
:0
2013-02-19 15:47:42
It's probably a baseless claim.
2013-02-19 15:53:42
STM must have touched the bottom to sue Average People for 50k(i doubt they have the money to pay that), and how the fk can they think you can 'practice' a terrorist attack on Counter strike...
I dont really think pre fire corner while 'strafing' would be a good idea against real cops
2013-02-19 16:03:50
just make some small adjustments that don't affect the playing experience of the map and change the color of the train and you're done.
2013-02-19 16:03:54
I create the map of my school two years ago, now i'm afraid D:

Post edited 2013-02-19 16:06:28
2013-02-19 16:06:09
Reported to the police. Gl in prison.
2013-02-19 16:12:31
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
2013-02-19 16:17:34
HAHA I saw this coming
2013-02-19 18:30:27
Yep, that is valuable info for real terrorists to know beforehand where CT spawn is thus from where CT is going to enter the station.
2013-02-19 16:13:00
loool
2013-02-19 16:26:18
Well, this map cant be 100% identical?
2013-02-19 16:14:29
not if they used hammer.exe to make it. that thing is older than time.
2013-02-20 03:25:42
Some details are 100% different and they can use it in court if they must.
2013-02-20 18:32:54
looks really poorly made anyway and probably not a good competitive map soo...
2013-02-19 16:15:48
Lol i was about to create a map based on my school :D

Post edited 2013-02-19 16:52:48
2013-02-19 16:52:32
good story bro LOL xD
2013-02-19 16:56:33
i dont understand... you can see the whole metrostation in pictures at google anyway
2013-02-19 17:31:23
I feel sick.
2013-02-21 15:41:49
Why the fuck would they need permission anyway? Stupidest thing I ever heard.
2013-02-19 18:44:46
Ridiculous.. lmao
2013-02-19 19:29:13
Funny stuff, and the STM are dbags anyway stick it to their face!

Post edited 2013-02-19 20:20:02
2013-02-19 20:09:43
Ultra mega shhit map for idiots. Ridicule for counter strike. Who created this map is heavily restricted individual who has never played this game
2013-02-19 20:13:53
they just have to apologise...
2013-02-19 20:28:48
has any1 played vcop 2? looks like
2013-02-21 15:27:17
great, sue them because real terrorists play cs:go. they have just bought new computers so they can play it.
2013-02-21 16:00:18
Anders Breivik got MVP award from Zion activist for insane 1v78 clutch in Norway (2011).
2013-02-21 16:07:38
laws exist for a reason. in this (trivial) case they knowingly broke the law, and planned to do so. the fact they were aware of the law, attempted to negate the law (with permission) says they don't give a shit what the law dictates, or respect the owners decision to decline their request.

e.g. walking out of a store and forgetting to pay for something vs stealing

they are stealing.
2013-02-22 07:54:06
its a PUBLIC place
2013-02-23 10:12:57

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