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Canadian map developers Diego Liatis and Frédéric Denis could be fined $50,000 CAD (approximately €37,000) for reproducing a Montréal subway station in CS:GO, Le Journal de Montréal reports.
Liatis and Denis had asked for permission from Montréal's City Council to recreate the subway station of Berri-UQAM in Valve's FPS game, but their request was met with a firm rejection.
They still decided to carry on with the project, and could now face legal trouble if the map is released as STM, Montréal's public transit commission, is looking to begin legal action against them.
The map was designed to be used in a local CS:GO tournament that will be held in early March in Montréal. Denis described the situation as "ridiculous".
"We did not create something that is behind STM's closed walls," he told Le Journal de Montréal.
"If terrorists want to know what an STM subway station looks like, all they have to do is take the subway."
What a shame:x
Back in the days i was checking gamespot, etajv, ign,...
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I think he was referring to property actually owned by the municipality or the state.
I've got no idea whether its true what he says although I'd argue that even if it was true, its most likely just a formality. Since the French constitution is written with the idea that the sovereignty of the state belongs only to the people of France compared to England for example, where the parliament is considered sovereign, however what is the difference in practice - probably nothing.
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You are allowed to step on any of those. And you are allowed to take pictures/videos if no one said something else or if there is a sign which states what is forbidden to do on the property. But taking the rights and making a map out of it into a game and most likely earn cash for it could violate copyrights in the video game industry. Especially if you asked them and they said no. And even were so stupid to use the exact name of the subway.
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What I meant is that a privately own building is not a public place (not public in lay man terms but public in legal sense), its a privately own building in which the owner is within his rights to deny access to it whenever he pleases to do so and for almost any reason.
Public property doesn't work in a same, way although it may often look exactly the same from the outside or at the very least confusingly similar.
Do you understand the distinction that I am making? I wont bother to go further with my point if you dont get this..
Yes, kind of (that's more complicated than that tho)
And you're wrong, the company that runs the subway in Paris is public. Stop talking about things you don't know...
And thats not the point idiot. Fucking read
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love u man :D
"Liatis and Denis had asked for permission from Montréal's City Council to recreate the subway station of Berri-UQAM in Valve's FPS game, but their request was met with a firm rejection."
Canada has it's right to take actions against this.
The producers asked for permission, but got rejected BUT THEY STILL PRODUCED THE MAP.
Eventhough it's only a computer game map, the idea of creating it was rejected.
so technically the people own the metro, and they didnt need to ask anyone for permission
so technically your argument would not hold up in court
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My point was that your "reasoning" to how the law and citizen ownership works was bollocks, which is true.
Now explain what the fuck are you dribbling about de_train, valve and eu rail(wtf is that?)?
"Works in the Public Domain
Public domain refers to works that belong to the public. Works in the public domain can be used free of charge and do not require written permission from the author/creator.
Works can be in the public domain for a variety of reasons. Examples: the term of the copyright has expired, the work was not eligible for copyright protection in the first place, or the copyright owner has authorized the public to use the work without permission or payment.
Some examples of works in the public domain are explained below."
"The organization of the public sector (public ownership) can take several forms, including:
Direct administration funded through taxation; the delivering organization generally has no specific requirement to meet commercial success criteria, and production decisions are determined by government."
STM is funded by the municipal taxes collected from the people of montreal. it is therefore a public company. it is impossible to copyright a location in canada, therefore as a public space the map developers dont need permission to recreate it in csgo.
which part of that was unclear the first time?
My point was this: "..your "reasoning" to how the law and citizen ownership works was bollocks, which is true."
I'll just ignore bombing of trains, EU and other weird stuff you said in between that.
Why are you copy pasting me some elementary website about Canada's copyright laws?
I said nothing about copy rights in the first place, I hardly even commented on the whole ordeal but as you have probably read STM is only "considering" to sue these guys - main reason that they stated being that they (STM) are afraid that the cs map will create unease in the passengers of the metro.
Go away troll
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and im not even swedish..
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Wayne gretz ? lol yeah ok , great player in hockeys middle age stacking up those numbers, but barbie girl and not independant.
He even said Henrik Zetterberg is the best swedish ever. just makes himself a total retard and unknowledged bout hockey.
so... what i mean potentially he could be the greatest ever, since several top contenders claims him as the very best they ever meet or played with in his prime years.
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And picking Zetterberg as the best swede ever was a bit retarded, but that doesn't make him a worse hockey player.
Imo the best Swedish player ever was Lidström.
His 4th in history assists per game and 9 in PPG when goalies also had the biggest pads and when it was ok to slash, hook and grab.
Man, talent in Forsberg prime extend anyones ive seen. I was actually born back then and watched every game.
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He was the most talented guy I ever played with, for just pure raw talent. But more than that, he was a winner and a total gamer, he just wanted to win. He didn't care who scored all the goals or who got all the credit. He just wanted to win, and that's why his teams won as much as they did. We were all very lucky to play with him."
"He was such an unselfish player, he loved to setup teammates, he's passing ability was second to none. He created alot of empty nets for alot of players and im one of the big benefactors from him, I got alot of easy goals thanks to Peter. There was nobody in my era there that was as skilled as him and that could play that tough style of hockey and i know when see other friends, he's the one player they mentioned they hated to play against." -- Joe Sakic
"Peter Forsberg is one of the best hockey players that ever played the game, and I actually don't think that anyone has been so good as Peter was during his peak, I've played against him alot, so I should know." -- Vjatjeslav Fetisov
At the HHOF induction, was asked the question on which player he thinks it's the best he ever played against. -- I would probably say that Forsberg is the best player I ever played against" -- Scott Stevens
"Some of the stuff he does is just ridiculous. Jaromir Jagr is big and strong like Forsberg, but Jagr doesn't fight back if you play him tough like Forsberg does. "I think he's the toughest player in the game to play against." -- Derian Hatcher
"For me, an agitator is somebody who controls the emotion of the game," "And Peter definitely controls the emotion of the game for them." "The only thing that stopped Forsberg is that he ran out of gas when they double- and tripleshifted him, and he wasn't able to use his speed, plus his strength," Hitchcock says. "I remember one time he kept the puck in our end for 40, maybe 50 seconds, and we couldn't get the thing away from him. His ability to knock Derian Hatcher on his butt while giving up 40 pounds shows how he can completely control and dominate a game. He's a player with skill and talent who occasionally goes maniacal. Boy, he gets a really strange look in his eyes. It's like the same steely glare that Mark Messier always gets, and you don't want to be anywhere near him." -- Ken Hitchcock
"Obviously one of the best players in the league the last 15 years, a guy who really controlled the play when he was on the ice, and there's only a handful of guy's in the league at any given era that really, actually controlled the play when the're where on the ice, just his combination of skill, strenght, determinition, and a bit of meanness or alot of meanness actually made him one of the best players to play." -- Steve Yzerman
"Peter is the best all-around player in the NHL, bar none. He's a competitor. He's the ultimate warrior. His hands are electric. He's one of the smartest players on the ice, and he knows where everybody is. He always makes the right play, and he even makes the plays you don't think he can make. He's so fast on his feet and so powerful. And he's mean. The guy is so talented, he's disgusting to watch." -- Jeremy Roenick
"If you could be anyone else in hockey, who would it be?" -- "That's easy. Peter Forsberg," (Claude) Lemieux says. "I could still be mean and nasty, but if I had all of the skills that he has, I might have won five or six Stanley Cups by now. "I can only dream of skating like Peter. Either that or buy some rocket-powered skates." "(After seeing) a Michael Jordan or a Wayne Gretzky, you think you've seen it all," Lemieux says, "and then Peter shows you something entirely new. "It's the way he creates space, uses space. It's the way he sees the ice. It's the way he picks up speed even after he picks up the puck. And it's the meanness, the nastiness." -- Claude Lemieux
"He's a coach's dream. The more crucial the time in a game or a series, the tougher he gets. I think sometimes he's able to flip on a switch in his mind and be at a different level than everyone else. " -- Ray Bourque
"Peter's ability to change the game was bar none, he could bring so many elements to a game to change it... My best advice when you're playing against Peter is to go change and let someone else play against him." -- Adam Deadmarsh
"The toughest NHL player you ever played against?" -- Quite easily Peter Forsberg. We have had our battles (he said laughing)... Forsberg was a one-man wrecking crew. He was so skilled and yet so powerful.. the man could simply do it all and at the same time he was hard as nails. He was extremely tough to play against. He was down right nasty." -- Chris Chelios
You were 3 years old (or not even born) at that time when Gretzky scored open nets vs "goalies" without any size.
Ive seen their both primes. So i know.
Just calm down to whoever tells you stories, boy.
Based on pure talent alone this Swedish phenom would be much higher on an alltime list. However, chronic injuries plagued Forsberg throughout his career, and he was unable to put up the kind of numbers that you’ll see from many others on an so called alltimers list. However, at the peak of his game between 1994 and 2003 Forsberg was arguably as good as any player in the game, averaging well over a point per game, and helping his Colorado Avalanche to 2 Stanley Cups. He was nearly unstoppable down low, and in my opinion his on-ice vision and his ability to pass through sticks is only second to Wayne Gretzky in the last thirty years.
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Thank you come again.
Edit: And it's missing this http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/03/21/us-austr..
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Not that I wanna keep feeding the troll, but I'd say the thousands of brazilians that constantly come here disagree with you.
They ARE F*CKING SICK PEOPLE
This month due to f*cking taliban, over 700 people killed in bombing attacks in Peshawar and Quetta.
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I dont really think pre fire corner while 'strafing' would be a good idea against real cops
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you should go cry somewhere else you ignorant piece of shit
But I realise this is the list of the semi professional? or waht?
the most entertaining player i saw play was Forsberg, hands down.
but,Fetisov,Kasatonov,Krutov,Larionov And Makarov.
There will NEVER be a hockey team like that,ever!
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e.g. walking out of a store and forgetting to pay for something vs stealing
they are stealing.