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The duo played together for a TCM-Gaming mix at the weekend in the RADEON Offensive #2 tournament, helping the team to finish in first place in the online competition, ahead of Western Wolves and Absolute Legends.
After the tournament, and upon revealing that he had parted company with mousesports, Dimitrios "stavros" Smoilis told HLTV.org that he "would love" to play with this lineup, but admitted to being unsure about whether this would be possible.
Kovács, who is currently on the lookout for a new team following the disbandment of 3DMAX, has now stated that he would be open to playing with Papillon in the future, but stated that the Frenchman remains hopeful of returning to VeryGames.
"Papillon is a very good friend of mine, I have been in touch with him regularly for the past years and we have always got along well," Kovács told Playzone.cz.
"It will all depend on shoxie, who is waiting for an offer from VeryGames. If he remains, I would be glad, because playing for an international team would be a new experience for me."
Papillon joined VeryGames in May 2011 and helped the team through one of the most dominant periods in the history of CS:Source, with several first-place finishes on LAN tournaments, including the ESWC finals.
However, the former Imaginary Gaming talent did not fit in well with some of the players on the team, which led to his departure in November 2011. After that, VeryGames picked up Michael "mK" Zaidi, but in April 2012 decided to replace him with Kenny "kennyS" Schrub.
Since switching to CS:GO, VeryGames have not yet been able to establish themselves as the number-one side in the world, losing various tournaments to Ninjas in Pyjamas.
After losing Cédric "RpK" Guipouy to retirement, the French giants picked up Adil "ScreaM" Benrlitom as their new fifth player, but the move has not improved the fortunes of the team - who finished fourth at Copenhagen Games and third at the ESEA Finals.
The return of Papillon to VeryGames would boost the team's firepower even more, but questions remain whether the players will get past the personal problems that ruined this relationship last time.
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ScreaM NBK kennyS all on the same level
Smithz has improved
ex6 is a great player but a lot worse than anybody.
Since Xizt and MODDII call (both super sick players) you cant use the excuse that callers have it that much harder
I'm not sure if I'm agreeing with you though.
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But anyway....we'll see^^
noobzoris staying true to his name, fcking nob
I doubt they will anyway, they have been getting better recently and were unlucky to lose to NiP on both maps, and then again to Quantic, they won't change the roster for the sake of one player who wants to go back.
But i dont think, that shoxie wanted to promote himself, atleast i hope so.
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Shoxie would be an asset tbh.
Only if i could see +GuardiaN as well, he deserves a top team.
remember when trace joins SK and community was like "OH YEAH top1 world" and they did shit.
I would stay with that lineup they dont need shox which is overrated
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smithzz helps ex6tenz call though i think and they are bestm8's so it'll be interesting to see who they remove.
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And another one, long distance team (at least 4 awps every round):
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and them France is back to top1.
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There are a lot of belgians here in France, and people there also speak french in some cities.
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You are the retard here, sorry.
"Just admit your mistake"
There is none, I'm sorry to inform you that you suffer from autism
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First you call me a retard, then autistic. I see that muslims can't even act like mature people do. They get mad when they are wrong and the person who's arguing with him is right.
We have 290 977 Finland-Swedes living here. Their native language is Swedish, but they are Finnish citizens. They are Finns, not Swedes, even tough they speak Swedish. This is a fact, not false like your idiotic opinion.
"First you call me a retard, then autistic. I see that muslims can't even act like mature people do. They get mad when they are wrong and the person who's arguing with him is right."
You called me retard aswell, so we're even, and btw my family is muslim, I'm not. And I'm not getting mad, you are because you can't understand a point of view.
"We have 290 977 Finland-Swedes living here. Their native language is Swedish, but they are Finnish citizens. They are Finns, not Swedes, even tough they speak Swedish. This is a fact, not false like your idiotic opinion."
Okay you gotta get over it man, BELGIANS ARE BELGIANS, I just cant differ them from french if I see them in front of me, same for swiss who don't have accents, do you understand or is that it too hard for you ?
Get your facts straight. Citizenship only refers to a legal member of a state or an association of states. Nationality refers to that too but also to the ethnicity of the person.
"In some circumstances citizenship is granted to children born in Belgium to non-Belgian parents."
So because there's no straight yes for Belgian citizenship in this case we can't even be sure if he even has Belgian citizenship (I bet he has though). And even if he has he's still more Moroccan than Belgian because of he being a national of Morocco and only a citizen of Belgium. This shit makes ScreaM so far from being a French that if you still claim that you are a total idiot.
I called you a retard after you called me as one. If you didn't call me a retard, I wouldn't have called you as one either. Retard is very usual word in internet arguments so I don't care about it so much but after you called me as an autistic person I really had to whine about it. :)
"I consider belgians who talk french as french."
There you basically said that Belgians that speak French are French nationals or citizens. If this is what you didn't mean then you can only blame yourself for having a bad English skills. You failed and you understood that later and then you tried to hide your fail by trying to chance the meaning of your argument. I'm not blind nor retarded.
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I don't like to repeat myself, and you're getting way too far tbh :
"BELGIANS ARE BELGIANS"
"What I mean is that it would be hard for me to guess that someone like scream (who has no belgian accent) is belgian if I didn't know it in first place"
and last paragraph from #249
You really have problems with reading, buy some books or just focus more.
Or maybe you get really mad when you realise you're wrong, and just can't admit it.
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mateo shoxie flexor apex +1 would be a great team undoubtely.
Hello 3DMAX...god...would be awesome :D:D:D
And you...you don't play? :(
cutting ex6 is out of the question, if you cut him then its a whole lineup restructure and the end of verygames pretty much.
It annoys me how people react to how VG are performing. If you cut scream, or cut ex6, I doubt they will be back to top 3 anytime soon. Top5 teams have been using same lineup and playing together for a while.
The thing people don't realise is VG are a great team, they have been putting in GREAT performances this year, they have been getting tons of 2nd and 3rds. These are good results.
Ya'll stop being so critical, this is a great team thats inform.
All top players have aim, and aim may win certain matches but it will not win tournaments. You need great teamwork and solid strats. I think Smithz has an important role in VG and if I was going to replace anyone (BUT I DONT THINK ANY CHANGES SHOULD BE MADE ATM) it would honestly probably be Scream. He has insane aim but lacks game sense. Shoxie has both. They just lost 16-14 to NIP on two maps and were unlucky not to beat Quantic on inferno. The second map on cache was always going to the Americans because in the EU no one plays it so VG did well to keep up for so long.
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VG wont replace anyone but you don't know how good of an IGL Ex6 is. You can not know for sure unless you are in that team. He is a good player and clearly overthinks in CSGO but will eventually get the hang of it.
Xizt is the best IGL in the world atm, its easy to use him as an example. Zeus I dont agree with you so much because Navi have achieved nothing in CSGO for you to say that, not even a final.
Whatever you think the facts speak for themselves. NIP is the only team to have won more prize money than VG in CSGO so something is working for them. The core is there, they just need to fix a few mistakes.
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I dont agree with you at all mate soz apart from the part where obviously shoxie isnt going to clutch 1vs4 but I didnt say he would, although I think he would contribute more to the teamplay than Scream so that it wouldnt get to a 1vs4 situation.
They are getting closer to beating nip as well. Much more than any other team (VP excluded ofc).
Here's what VG should do :
And then, VG would be back to the top. Btw, i don't think than they would change scream for shox, but shox should stick with guardian and php to make an int team. These guys would destroy everybody if they stick together.
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Look at Smithzz instead.
Shox and ScreaM, they form a perfect duo, and can easily secure a bombsite together.
I'll not change my opinion :
I am not whining about his HS ratio and all those stuffs, nor am i, a fanboy or something like that.
But saying that, ScreaM isn't viable, is total crap, since he did contribute a lot to the team.
Been there in clutch situations, holding specific spots, etc etc, which eventually, does show up when you look at the stats.
It's true that he missed shots, but once again,
Aiming for the head, has always been his playstyle, which did WONDERS for him till now.
Saying that he has no brains, is again bullshit, since his game-sense is pretty decent, if not that good. Among the top 10 players in the world, it isn't for no reason.
I watched VG matches, and i have a different perspective to this thing, period.
To the ESEA finals he was really sick, he did a really great job and NBK too.
Wasnt it more like mK got caught stealing a laptop and they kicked him for that?
Plus that TCM team has some genuine potential.
I personally think that amount of individual skills that VG have cannot be displayed 100% cause they're using very complicated tactics and they don't have so much freedom in their game...so if they cut Ex6TenZ, they might be much better...We saw TCM Gaming few days ago, they pwned WW easily without any special tactics, and remember that WW are together for some time now and they've beaten VG
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I know he has a sick rep in css, but in go he is just bad when it matters most... he chokes on pressure or he isnt that good at all ;)
So ? that makes all those -ex6 call absolutly pointless and most stupid thing ever.
I hope that if somebody will change it will be like with RPK that he will decide not play anymore and not cos of he isnt that good as he was suposed to be.
The best part is when they put NBK as igl without knowing him nor his capacity to keep high scoring while leading. Moreover the position he is currently holding can't be hold by an igl.
w/e people want to make change everytime a team don't win all its matches, but when it does they scream this is boring. And when a team make change they yell that stability is the secret.
He might be doing his best but he is the worst in his team, and the difference is huge between him and the rest, it is like fifflaren in nip
Love when people used to say fif is bad cuz he calls, not he does not call anymore and the player who calls instead is still a total machine
The only way i see shoxie joining it is if EX6 leaves VERYGAMES which i don't know if could pass. Smithz, ScreaM and shoxie are very good friends so it would be awesome...and ScreaM will step up with another playing style as they had in 3DMAX.
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SO GOOD LUCK SHOXIE LOL
I was really surprised to see that mixteam - Cly had left TCM a month ago, Stavi left recently.
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he is a fucking retard then.
Anyway shoxie said afterwards that he regrets what happened, and that he would act differently if he had another chance.
The worst thing that could happen to VG right now is to change the roster again. They have to find out how to help Scream to be at his best while keeping their teamplay and strats smooth.
Shoxie for his part would benefit more from a French team obviously, communication wise, but if he waits too long Guardian will just find someone else.
but wasnt there a story that nbk said he doesnt want shox in his team ? mayb nbk leaves shox joins who knows ;)
lets see what the future brings but with this statements its allready offical i would say that shox will be part of VG soon
France/Belgium just have so many talented players. Enough to make two Top 10 teams, maybe even two Top 5.
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If VeryGames was to remove someone, which I doubt, it would be SmithZz.
Personally I hope they do. GL
VG > everyone
shox vs eXtensive @ EPSILAN 9
shox vs Nitrose @ EPSILAN 9
shox vs zNation @ SLTV StarSeries IV
Post edited 2013-04-24 17:53:23
SmithZz help Ex6 but he should be AWP
NBK should be support
ScreaM should be opener
shox should be opener with SmithZz's awp
KennyS is good player but he lacked experience on the game.
SmithZz or NBK awp
btw, krl was such an amazing igl but he quitted and he went in Australia once again.
Post edited 2013-04-24 19:15:28
Just don't change anything. I hope VeryGames doesn't.
The second most stupid thing they could do would be to change their lineup when all team members are used to working with each other.
Fragging ability can always be improved, but team chemistry is different.
Plus, TCM Gaming with GuardiaN + shoxie would be a skilled team, if not better than VG.
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this is coming ;)
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Ex6TenZ(could be great too see, if he could turn a top2 team in france too a top3 team in world, so people can see how good of an IGL he really is)
and a good awp?