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ESEA Co-Founder Craig "Torbull" Levine has admitted to being "ashamed" of the whole incident involving mining Bitcoins.
ESEA chief Eric "lpkane" Thunberg stated it was a mere April Fools' joke that was later abandoned and that the code was released by accident. He vowed to give Premium users a month's subscription free of charge and to use the money that was raised in the prize pool for season 14.
However, that has done little to appease the users, who never consented to ESEA using their GPUs to mine bitcoins. Some people have even complained that their computers overheated and that they got numerous Blue Screens of Death error messages over the past days.
Levine has now taken to ESEA's forums to react to this whole scandal, revealing that he was in the dark about the Bitcoin miner.
"The first I learned about any of this was last night (on any scale)," he wrote. "I had no idea any of this was going on.
"Needless to say I am completely embarrassed, disgusted, and ashamed.
"For the past ten years, I've tried to do nothing more than to act honestly and be an upstanding leader in the gaming community and with some bad decisions by some trusted people it has been thrown out the window.
"I'm wrapping my mind around this whole thing and we'll release a formal response, but for the time being just know that this wasn't some ESEA / company wide scam.
"I'm committed to doing whatever possible to rebuild the trust we lost through this whole fiasco.
"It's a failure on my part to have the proper oversight to have prevented this from happening and it will be addressed.
"My primary concern at this point is community trust and how that was destroyed. We need to understand the situation, take the appropriate action with those responsible for it, ensure we have things in place to prevent this from happening, and address anyone who incurred physical damages.
"How we rebuild the trust of the community in the immediate aftermath and long term future is going to be a different discussion that we need to have as I walk through this all."
Did you piss off lpkane? Did you reverse a charge you did not authorize? Did you report a support ticket against a team that has ties to admins?
High chance to get banned then.
There was also the scandal with head admin BiGG supposedly blackmailing a woman into sending naked pictures of herself. The thread where she spoke out about it was deleted and she was banned. People who witnessed it had no real reason to lie no the whole thing was very dodgy.
ESEA has a monopoly in the NA and can thus dictate pretty much everything.
This fact will become evident soon, this whole thing will blow over by ESEA handing out some silly passes and the braindead sheep accepting them happily.
They will ignore the fact that ESEA just broke the law and shamelessly exploited their trust.
One month from now few people will remember this and Americans will be happily playing esea games again.
High chance to get banned then.
reversing a charge is true, they don't like paypal fraud.
the rest isn't true though. obviously theres a lot of speculation about esea going around. the whole support ticket against a team with admin ties is bullshit.
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They may have to also compromise the closed source nature of their code more...and even fire Jaguar but I imagine that is impossible because it would spell the end for the company.
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I just hope it works out, coz ignoring this Bitcoin crap, ESEA is pretty solid as a league and I was happily paying my £5 a month during league season.
It could even be as simple as lpkane has most of the money, ergo he rules.
2) the ownership structure has little to do with who the directors are.
Any decent company would fire them if they did the same.
It will not happen though, we both know that.
They will hand out some silly premium passes and the thing will go away.
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bitmining is around 700w, your electric bill would be SKYHIGH. in denmark it would cost way more to bitmine than u would ever make of it
Especially a 690 could break easily. Just overclock it a bit and you need a lot of fan airflow to keep it at decent temps.
There is a reason why the high end graphic cards these days are so loud under load.
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And cold larders dont effect the gfx when you buy it new because they are in good condition. But on long term you might get either wrong pixels or the gpu refuses to use the vram which makes it completly faulty.
In production its very difficlt to manage that problem since you have millions of transistors and they are not going to be soldered by hand infact getting baked by machines. If the test run says the gfx is fine they will sell it even though that doesnt mean all the parts are 100% okay as well.
Thats why some GFX suppliers/manufactures start to give a longer warranty. So they want to show their customers hey our products are 100% fine. And then you have other manufatures which most likely even rufuse to give you 2years. I dont mention any names but there are a few ones which only give you one year
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Secondly by now I would think its common knowledge a robot will solder to a 99.9% accuracy rather than a very inaccurate human hand.
You know what is now missing?
They are getting baked and at this point cold larders can appear. For sure a robot can have a higher accuracy but why does craftsmanship still have a high repuation for quality? The only reason they use machines is because they are cheaper on long term and humans would take way longer on such small pieces. That doesnt change the fact that this problem exists to a certain production rate Even if its only 0.1%.
I bet you never heard of people that baked their graphics card back to life did you?
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My point is this problem exists and its not a small problem as you claim with 99.9%
With devices/components getting over 100 celsius degress hot while being cooled.
Post edited 2013-05-02 00:17:11
Well, derpa herp derp derp....
+ They need to be generous in the next season. Lowering prices but still maintaining their pricepool to make it more attractive for the players + maybe do some giveaways or something. This cannot pass without costing them money if they want to repair this in my opinion.
And they need to make a formal apologize to the community. I don't think this statement from torbull is enough.
Currently I have no trust in them what so ever.
Did you read the other articles about that as well?
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I doubt Ipkane would go by his will you cant fire one of the co founders like that easily
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"1. 100% of the funds are going into the s14 prize pot, so at the very least your melted gpus contributed to a good cause."
As if those kids are gonna be in the prize money, or as if that even comes close to covering the damage and malicious activity.
lpkane is a jerk to everyone online, shouldn't be news to anyone who's been on esea before.
Moreover I doubt that he wouldn't realize that the the amount of money he wouldve personally made from it isn't worth all the drama and might result in a loss rather than a gain.
Post edited 2013-05-01 17:00:15
yep, i guess you are a much better person now than they are..
If people cant access their service they might consider switching to another service in that case. In most cases these guys want CHANGE
If you cant play on a server because a bunch of kiddos ddos the servers all the time then you might consider another option dont you?
With cevo and leetway going on in the US you have one. Same goes for the EU with playzeek , playnation, ESL, IRC in house leagues and what ever else is out there. I cant remember the danish league but you got my point
Post edited 2013-05-01 17:04:46
i voted for option 3, i actually have a decent amount invested in it and have been playing the market for a while
but the main point of the poll is i'm considering it for an esea payment option, mainly because it's chargeback proof
OMFG. Now he really hits the fan
Okay i read a few of his other comments as well on that thread i am closing this topic. Its not worth to talk about ESEA anymore as long as this guy is in charge of it.
I seriously thought ESEA could be the next thing to get ESL moving their asses but i was wrong
Post edited 2013-05-01 17:09:19
THEY tell the media what happened and how are they going to work on it, not the other way around.
You have failed.
Maybe it is time to step down?
also make esea free for a year assholes for everyone, everyone should STOP playing this shit service
Post edited 2013-05-01 17:33:54
I mean first of all it's not even funny. Like telling your friend (as an April fool joke) that you just killed his cat. But it comes even worse, instead of just saying it, they really DID kill the cat. And instead of revealing the "joke" on 1 April they kept it secret until someone discovered it in May. Like "Hey bro. You've just found your dead cat? I killed it, FOR REAL, one month ago, as an April fool joke."
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You want a great example?
You ever heard of the vaccine scam with glaxosmithkline? Or the BP oil spil?
In both cases the organization/business was suit and they had to pay fines. Thats it no one went to jail just money solved the problem. No matter how many people got their lifes destroyed money solves everything. Not a single person was hold accountable. For sure its difficult to find the black sheep in such big cases but its not impossible and for some reasons the courts dont bother
Next thing is you kill someone on purpose and you pay a fine thats it.
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"Only" the people that had their graphic cards fried had a major loss with this.
Getting robbed of your car is still a major crime, doesnt have to be your house they take...
Post edited 2013-05-01 18:22:01
but this kind of thing is unacceptable. The continual loss of trust from the community and nothing being done to fix that is unacceptable. The corrupt admins ruining things for everyone else are unacceptable.
ESEA needs an enema.
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funny thing is when i opened the game my gfx card couldn't process the extra information and still get good fps... you can turn it on and off using f12 and i literally turned it off as soon as i launched the game i just never uninstalled it
but remember, "it was an accident"
But seriously, why would anyone want a 1month free and extra money in the prize pool. Not everyone plays competitive and only a few will see any of that money. Got to remember you drove up peoples electricity bills and destroyed/wore down hardware life, you cant fix it by saying youll give all the money to the winner of a league.
rather than this political skirting around the issue telling people how it will be better in the future
Spread the word.
i thought the idea was quite extraordinary. although, it did not steal money.
"I respect your wishes for this information to remain confidential but how much of it can be released to the public, as in, how much would you be willing to say, we made a mistake and we fixed it, end of story."
"Uhh I mean, I don't really wanna talk about it and say..."