DH Summer to use new group system
By: MIRAA
Time: 2013-05-03 14:16
Game: Counter-Strike: Global Offensive

The DreamHack organisers have announced that this year's summer event will adopt a double-elimination format in the group stage.

DreamHack Summer 2013 will be taking place June 15th through 18th in the Swedish city of Jönköping, with 200,000 SEK, approximately €23,500, up for grabs in the CS:GO tournament.

In order to prevent tie-breaking scenarios in the group stage, the organisers have decided to use the double-elimination format that was proposed by HLTV.org's own Tomi "lurppis" Kovanen in an article written last year.

The 16 participants will be drawn into four groups of four teams, with the top two sides advancing to the single-elimination playoffs, which will use a best-of-three format.


NiP already confirmed at DH Summer

As last year's Winter champion, Ninjas in Pyjamas have already secured a place in the Summer event. Six more teams will receive invites for the tournament, while there will also be online and LAN qualifiers taking place. On the first day of DreamHack, there will be the traditional BYOC qualifier with two spots up for grabs.

Teams who wish to apply for an invite can email the organisation at esport@dreamhack.se with full contact details (name, e-mail, Skype and Phone number) and a list with their offline achievements.

Meanwhile, the prize breakdown of the tournament has been revealed, and it stands as follows:

1. €8,200
2. €4,700
3-4. €2,930
3-4. €2,930
5-8. €1,170
5-8. €1,170
5-8. €1,170
5-8. €1,170

Below you can find the schedule of the event:

Saturday, 15th of June – BYOC Qualifier + Groups A/B
Sunday, 16th of June – Groups C/D
Monday, 17th of june – Playoffs

Stay tuned to HLTV.org for complete coverage of DreamHack Summer.

yeees
2013-05-03 14:16:57
5-8. 1,170
5-8. 1,170
5-8. 1,170
5-8. 1,170

useless
2013-05-03 14:17:19
+1
2013-05-03 14:22:36
It's not.
2013-05-03 14:29:09
its more fair this way, so stfu
2013-05-03 14:35:27
Should be 500 each, so 2000 more to the winner
2013-05-03 14:44:03
by: Dok1
#34
It's great, to cover some costs of their stay and travel, etc...
2013-05-03 14:51:05
Its good, that way more orgas can send their teams if they are low on cash.
2013-05-03 14:54:28
Some teams dosent Even have organisations
2013-05-03 15:05:35
Yea, that's more of the reasons to split the prize this way. Some people aren't seeing the bigger picture here :(
2013-05-03 15:23:25
bigger picture you shouldnt get a prize for comming 8th! like getting a participation trophy fuck that.. i wouldnt expect shit if i came 8th.

Post edited 2013-05-03 16:33:29
2013-05-03 16:33:02
Paying up prizes up till the 8th place is a good thing for the scene. You'd have to be an idiot not to understand that.
2013-05-03 18:18:36
www.wimbledon.com/pdf/2012-prizemoney-breakdown.pdf

In real sports you don't even have to WIN a single game at a major event to get a decent amount of money.

Competitive communities (be them in real sports or other disciplines) cannot operate and grow at an optimum rate if money is funneled only towards those at the very top.

I've got to say, personally, if you can hit top 8 you are thoroughly deserving of a reward.

Post edited 2013-05-03 18:30:21
2013-05-03 18:29:39
+1 thats my theory too :p
2013-05-03 22:22:43
wtf you're saying ABOUT WINBLEDON prize money...
which the sponsors are Rolex, IBM, television broadcasts and another ones...
2013-05-04 18:51:12
Because Wimbledon pays all 128 players even if they lose first round.
2013-05-04 22:29:26
yes, but winbledon sponsorship is 128x more higher than online gaming. you cannot make a comparative with this example.

Post edited 2013-05-06 16:57:20
2013-05-06 16:57:08
you've totally missed the point here, the guy was complaining that the prizemoney rewards 5-8th and I am saying that this isn't a bad thing, professional sports events pay much further down.

No one is complaining about the AMOUNT of money.
2013-05-06 17:13:48
not useless but I think it's a little bit too much
2013-05-03 15:03:21
I think its better this way
2013-05-03 16:28:34
just like your comment
2013-05-03 16:32:06
less money to nip
2013-05-03 16:50:03
+1
14 000
7 000
3 500
2013-05-03 17:21:29
It is far from useless, its a step in the direction of professional sports competitions which generally pay the majority of the field.

The reasons for this are many, and obvious.
2013-05-03 17:48:19
by: teco
#81
You clearly didn't even get his point... :) Like none of the repliers except one...
2013-05-03 17:55:50
feel free to clarify
2013-05-03 17:58:00
? much better, more incentive to try and be a pro team
2013-05-06 09:41:46
will be 1.6 paralel tournament? with less prize
2013-05-03 14:18:30
no.
2013-05-03 14:19:37
ok thanks. there allways use to be css in side tournament or im mistaken.
2013-05-03 14:20:46
even if there would be 1.6 tournament I'd love it, but I doubt there would be any streams anyway and you would see no great teams there :/
2013-05-03 14:22:25
true true. I just got excited for a moment
2013-05-03 14:26:46
I think DH has only had CSS once or twice, but never like a side tournament there :)
2013-05-03 14:27:44
at least once, but maybe that was it. anyway im on my regular nostalgia ramble so please dont mind me, however I try to control myself.
2013-05-03 14:36:17
by: Alth
#28
Pretty sure I remember them hosting CS:S side tournaments (more like a casual tournament) quite often. Might be mistaken but I think this was the case.
2013-05-03 14:38:13
Pretty sure it never was offical DH tournament just some third part company who held a CSS tourney there. But as GT said, They have had it atlest once or twice before, maybe little more.
2013-05-03 14:45:18
by: Alth
#43
Yeah thats what I meant, just a small thing for the casual player etc.
2013-05-03 14:58:36
Dreamhack had 3 CSS tournaments.

DreamHack Summer 2008

1st. Magnitude Gaming (eXce, FeTiSh, jIMMy, orga, rytme)
2nd. Team Logitech (aNGeldusT, kononen, Samitsky, Topsiikrt, zaikovski)
3rd. EvilZone (fnx, kazze, maj0r, osvaR, XperteN)

4th. GermanWixMix (bast1an, giroSTAR, nYm0, plex, stevie)

---

DreamHack Winter 2008

1st. Team ROCCAT (eXce, FeTiSh, jIMMy, orga, rytme)
2nd. GIAL Gaming (frozt, krogh, lokke, prima, vnG)
3rd. AIMAZING E-Sport (kaja, MrBoysen, osvaR, pokke, XperteN)

4th. Team CoolerMaster (Fudzx, maths, n0rstedt, ptk, vink)

---

DreamHack Winter 2009

1st. Reason Gaming (.PhP, GuardiaN, pR, sneix, UN)
2nd. Team VeryGames (crZ, EMSTQD, Ex6TenZ, RegnaM, Shokkk)
3rd. The Imperial (FeTiSh, gravityy, pur1ty, v1ctor, wantz)

4th. Power Gaming (HenryG, hudzG, RattlesnK, Re1ease, stingeR)
2013-05-03 15:17:12
lol, php+guardian+co>ex6+regnam+co :O and hudzk release rattle and stinger 4th :O
2013-05-03 15:49:37
damn i miss team logitech.fi
2013-05-03 16:33:18
lurppis knows his shit, obviously this needs to be used ;)
2013-05-03 14:19:24
Just shows how low the price money is..it's actually so sad that 5 people plus the organisation have to share 8200 and also cover the traveling costs lol..
2013-05-03 14:19:25
by: lurppis - HLTV.org
#25
you don't cover traveling costs with prize winnings. think of esports organizations as marketing agencies; as long as the sponsors get exposure they are happy - they are basically paying for advertising, which players (and managers) then hope to convert into prize money. if it works, everyone wins :)
2013-05-03 14:33:59
still it's low and I keep on wondering why people want to become pro gamers (in CS atleast)
2013-05-03 14:55:34
Money is not the motivation for everything. There are people ready to try a way of living even if they know they won't get rich with it.
I mean, if you think about it, your occupation is basically playing games, which is what a lot of people would like to do as their main activity.

Also, a lot of players are young and still in studies, so their parents can help them financially, etc...
2013-05-03 15:26:32
Well it's on people nature that they want to be recognized by others. In this case, 'gamers' think this is probably 'the only' way to do it.
2013-05-03 15:27:24
by: lurppis - HLTV.org
#91
who would want to become a pro for money? i always laughed at people saying i joined eg for money considering my summer job that i turned down paid ~2x as much as eg.

most people don't live their whole life with a goal to make money.
2013-05-04 05:01:29
well to be honest gaming is fun, gaming and earning some money is probably more fun but at the end of the day you just waste your time you could've studied and obviously ended up with better conditions, there are only a few exceptions who really earn good money after their career I'd say?
2013-05-04 13:20:33
by: lurppis - HLTV.org
#93
it's not an amazing career move and i can't speak for others, but if i were given a choice between my cs career and studying now versus not playing any cs and focusing on my studies the whole time, i would have gone with option #1. easily worth it, for me.

then again, i got a lot out of gaming, so it might not be the same for everyone, although it's tough to match all the enjoyment you get from competing at the highest level if you're a competitive person :)
2013-05-04 15:53:59
Why do people want to play for barca when they are young?

Not for the money my friend :)
2013-05-06 11:12:28
The teams that are going to win it won't have paid a penny towards their travel costs or accommodation.

Most organizations won't take any money from the players and those that do rarely take more than 10%.

Which means you can split 8200 between 5 so 1640 euro per player for the weekend, that is about what the average person in western Europe earns in a month after tax.

So it's far from sad..

I think it's great as well that they are paying further down personally. It means teams below the top 3/4 still have something to fight over, and again to be honest I doubt any team in the 16 that make it to the main tourney will have forked out anything for travel or accommodation so taking almost 250 euro each home is still a good weekend and means that the teams that aren't regularly placing at events still get a reward, albeit a small one, for the hours of practice they put in.

Post edited 2013-05-03 17:44:41
2013-05-03 17:44:09
It is sad compared to other games.
2013-05-03 17:47:11
DotA 2 has 300,000 SEK

CSGO has 200,000 SEK

That's 66% of the amount that a game with a competitive fan base 500% larger (conservative estimate) is getting at the event.

What is sad is that CSGO is moving in a consistently good direction in terms of the way the game is being developed, the fan base, and the support from sponsors and events, and yet people are still cluelessly whining that the game is awful/dying/pointless.





Post edited 2013-05-03 17:55:54
2013-05-03 17:55:42
Now compare DotA to LoL or Starcraft 2.
The Dreamhack DotA tournament isn't even something big. They have THE INTERNATIONAL.

I'm not whining about CS:GO dying. I find it just sad that the price pools are so low.
2013-05-03 17:59:50
The major events in all three of those titles are sponsored exclusively by the game publisher and made possible by effective monetization of the games longevity, be that through the F2P model or a regular expansion schedule.

We won't see events like that unless the CS community stop resisting a move towards F2P.

In terms of third party money invested in the games, CSGO is actually right there at the front along side the rest of them.

If you look at all the titles you listed and divide the prizes offered in the last 9 months for all competitions by the amount of people playing regularly you'll see that CSGO may be the smallest but it's actually receives the largest esports investment relative to size by a fairly huge margin.
2013-05-03 18:21:58
Dreamhack winter is also bigger than summer :)
2013-05-06 11:13:46
Finally.
Coming from the Starcraft scene and knowing the format (If I'm not mistaken) from GSL I really appreciate this.

Dreamhack as usual doing good stuff.
2013-05-03 14:20:10
yes, the GSL format
2013-05-03 14:22:37
by: xone
#9
Now DH only needs to change the format for their SC2 tournament.
2013-05-03 14:21:10
"In order to prevent tie-breaking scenarios in the group stage, the organisers have decided to use the double-elimination format that was proposed by HLTV.org's own Tomi "lurppis" Kovanen in an article written last year."

Nothing was invented here, I believe this system is already used in SC2 tournaments like in GSL, and in the last DH.sc2
2013-05-03 14:22:09
"proposed" :)
2013-05-03 14:26:24
I know, but did they really discover it because of lurppis ?It was written like no one even knew that system

Post edited 2013-05-03 14:54:54
2013-05-03 14:53:53
http://www.dict.cc/?s=propose

propose |= invent
2013-05-03 14:26:38
wow thanks, didn't know that at all
#36
2013-05-03 14:54:17
if i remember correct even lurppis stated in his article that this system is used in other games and that he thinks it would be good if it was used also in cs :)
2013-05-03 14:26:49
On last DH Open they used round-robin in group stage.
2013-05-03 14:29:31
goodo
2013-05-03 14:22:33
again 8.200 for NIP
2013-05-03 14:24:23
Retarded prize pool tbh.. Barely worth going for international teams..

2013-05-03 14:27:34
such a poor price pool for such a huge and famous event
2013-05-03 14:32:59
Summer always have lower prize pool than Winter one.

2010 Summer - ~10,000
2010 Winter - ~$35,400
2011 Summer - ~11,000
2011 Winter - ~$31,500 + ~$15,000 in hardware
2012 Summer - ~24,000
2012 Winter - ~$45,000
2013 Summer - ~23,500
2013-05-03 14:49:08
DH Winter is their "Main tournament" that's why winter always has more prize money.
2013-05-03 14:57:05
I know. U don't have to explain it to me :P
2013-05-03 14:58:10
Just adding it into the information, i failed on replying to the guy above you.
2013-05-03 16:31:08
nice dreamhack always great :)
2013-05-03 14:44:04
6 more invited teams?

Would like to see:

VG
VP
ESC
Na'Vi
fnatic
Western Wolves/CPH Wolves
2013-05-03 14:47:34
enough with navi... they're so looooow
2013-05-03 15:12:57
if you have na'vi and vp and russian stream there willl be +30k viewers on stream
2013-05-03 17:07:53
nice prize breakdown with top 8 getting paid :D
2013-05-03 14:53:17
by: VxO4
#41
1. 10,000
2. 5,000
3-4. 2,000
3-4. 2,000
5-8. 700
5-8. 700
5-8. 700
5-8. 700

Post edited 2013-05-03 14:59:14
2013-05-03 14:57:37
+1
2013-05-03 15:42:14
+10
2013-05-04 00:10:33
love the group format

can't wait for the event :o
2013-05-03 15:04:49
anyone know what time it will start?
2013-05-03 15:12:47
by: Jonathan E. - HLTV.org
#97
If you refer to the dates,

DreamHack Summer 2013 will be taking place June 15th through 18th in the Swedish city of Jönköping,[...]

as stated in the news piece.
2013-05-04 23:35:28
Would like to see:

VG
TCM
VP
Cph wolves
Anexis
Fnatic
2013-05-03 15:35:09
how can u not write ww?XD
2013-05-06 10:56:05
I dont like WW and CphWolves>WW
2013-05-06 14:56:12
WW > Anexis, fnatic, Cphwolves, TCM, VG
2013-05-06 17:32:43
Good joke bro :D
2013-05-06 20:25:28
by: wynn
#54
Great news! :)
2013-05-03 15:37:08
Great news.
2013-05-03 15:41:16
double elimination is the only real way to determine a deserving winner. on the other hand, the only chance atm to not see NIP taking another cup is probably single elimination =P

gj, nice adjustment. will be interesting to see who qualifies.
2013-05-03 15:51:18
6 more inv, would be nice to see: VG, ESC, VP, TCM, WW, +1
2013-05-03 15:52:48
cph wolves or navi :)
2013-05-03 17:06:19
what is up with only 2 teams can qualify at the event? should be more like cph with a qualifyer tournament and have 32 team tournament? this makes no room for the underdogs who wants to go to the big lans in europe......
2013-05-03 16:00:46
Read the news and the link. There will be a total of 16 teams in the main tournament, which is more than fair.
2013-05-03 16:48:25
I have?? and i think it should be 32 teams so underdogs can get to the big lans in europe..??
2013-05-06 10:55:04
16 teams will still leave a lot of room for potential underdogs. Since there are multiple qualifiers and few invites, they have the opportunity to show themselves. Lets face it, if they can't get past any of the qualifiers, the chance of them upsetting is very, very slim.

Post edited 2013-05-06 11:46:12
2013-05-06 11:45:59
Its a whole other thing to play at lan and online... with only 2 spots in lan qualifier very few teams will attend
2013-05-06 17:33:38
great
2013-05-03 16:13:49
So it's the GSL system. Nice.
2013-05-03 16:33:30
Why not:

1. 11,910
2. 5,500
3-4. 2,500
3-4. 2,500
5-8. 500
5-8. 500
5-8. 500
5-8. 500

Yes, I'm trying to make NiP richer.
2013-05-03 17:08:30
what a stupid prize purse
FUCK damn shit
14 000
7 000
3 500
not this shit
2013-05-03 17:21:10
Why not 32 like Copenhagen Games ? With 16 teams you only got to see the usual top, no room for rising stars, etc... It's still good but 32 is better.
2013-05-03 17:36:18
AGREED
2013-05-06 10:55:19
cool
2013-05-03 17:48:28
Like it, gl !
2013-05-03 20:48:16
Sounds good :)
2013-05-03 20:51:04
Sure, new.
2013-05-04 23:15:36
I propose a new rule: If NIP wins any tournament, it receives 75% of the money given for the 1st place. //joke
inb4: %teamname% fanboy

Post edited 2013-05-05 00:41:35
2013-05-05 00:41:02

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