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Papillon had been strongly linked with a move back to VeryGames since Ladislav "GuardiaN" Kovács revealed last month that the Frenchman was waiting to hear from the team before committing his future to TCM-Gaming.
The former Imaginary Gaming ace was quick to cool speculation about his future, and though he admitted to flirting with the idea of joining VeryGames, he insisted he did not know whether the team would even change their roster.
Last weekend, Papillon helped TCM to win the qualifier for TECHLABS Minsk over teams like Virtus.pro and Natus Vincere, but the Frenchman could not resist the lure of the ESWC runners-up.
He will now return to the side he represented twice during his CS:Source career: after playing for the team led by Sébastien "krL" Perez in 2009, Papillon returned to VeryGames in May 2011, helping them to a highly-successful era in which they did not lose a single match.
Papillon will be filling the shoes of Kenny "kennyS" Schrub, who has been given his marching orders almost one year after his arrival, despite having the team's second-highest rating at 1.18.
This is the second roster change that VeryGames have undergone since switching to CS:GO. In January, the team picked up Adil "ScreaM" Benrlitom after Cédric "RpK" Guipouy had announced his retirement from gaming.
After a somewhat slow start with their new lineup, VeryGames ran out victors at Mad Catz Birmingham last month to win their first international CS:GO event.
But after the event in England, VeryGames once again fell short against other top teams and placed 3rd-4th at the RaidCall EMS One Finals, in Cologne, before finishing in third place at the ESEA 13 Finals, in Dallas.
With almost five weeks left before the next international tournament, DreamHack Summer, VeryGames have decided to fine-tune their squad as they know Papillon will have time to settle in.
"It is the third try with shox for Team VeryGames," VeryGames president Johann Thiesson said.
"It’s a risky move: Richard always lacked of professionalism and team spirit to be a part of the high level competition. It has always blocked him in his career even with his oustanding qualities in the game.
"I personnally wouldn’t have made that choice, but I hope that Richard and the rest of the team are going to prove me wrong.
"Kenny is still young and the switch to Global Offensive didn’t help him with catching up with his experienced teammates. I’m pretty sure he’ll get that experience and fill the gaps in his gameplay soon."
The biggest question right now, however, is whether the team will be able to get past the internal problems that led to Papillon being removed from the team in November 2011 and to Nathan "NBK" Schmitt publicly saying at one point that the former TCM-Gaming ace would "never play for VeryGames again."
Schrub's departure means that Edouard "SmithZz" Dubourdeaux has been promoted to VeryGames' primary AWPer, a role that he played in CS:Source on numerous occasions.
VeryGames now have the following lineup:
Kévin "Ex6TenZ" Droolans
Nathan "NBK" Schmitt
Edouard "SmithZz" Dubourdeaux
Adil "ScreaM" Benrlitom
Richard "shoxie" Papillon
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very good move though, I would reckon smithzz is a more consistent awper than kennys.
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i hope TCM wont go to Minsk and NaVi will.
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well good luck to verygames and kennyS
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Really thought Ex6TenZ would go
this decision feels really wrong but we'll see.
can't see the meaning why ex6 is in the team.
Anyway odd timing right after 3 insanely close maps in a row vs NIP.
All depends on how x6 can keep up his fragging as he did a week ago
shox &rpk is still best fr player on all cs versions.
and yes they are insane, if only the best 1.6 player from right before CSGO had stepped over :( (sixer)
he was an insane awper, I bet he would have made it into VG by now :P
dont get me wrong shoxie is THE rifler in france but on the other hand they lose THE awper in france, so think it will only be a slight improvement unless this means smithz steps it up (getting the awp role)
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faith in VG lost..
one of the best awpers, if not the best, but they prefer to be with smithz/nbk or ex6 at awp, and be with "another" rpk, who can and will frag anybody out there :D
shoxie is an all-star player , very complete and a top player , but they could have had them both...and it would have given a boost with 2 madfraggers 1 very good awper and 1 good igl...
all they do in lan is scream and shout and lose , then they kick their 2nd finest player(after nbk who is #1 i believe , with them saving the matches usually) , and besides that , even if he missed some awp shots he still is one of the best awp`ers of the game and they lost him...
rofl...wow , just wow.
Post edited 2013-05-07 19:19:06
I'm not sure about how he communicated at eswc or DH though.
This Step isn't dumb. Smithz can truely play his awp as he did in source and gets the role he fits completely in and Shoxie is a great rifle boost.
Verygames know what they are doing. those steps have to be done well thought.
Edit- - kennyS + GuardiaN would have been better
Post edited 2013-05-07 19:23:36
I rather want to see shoxie in TCM with GuardiaN, than in VG, but its his decision, gl in future...
Anxious to see how it pans out, though kennys was great so the room for improvement is not too big, even though shoxie is outright insane
Let's hope he can get along with Droolanz as opposed to all the things I read about those 2u
mateOo at his old level
flex0r even with a rifle is a beast <3
I heard them on mumble once, when they are playing vs Anexis, and I think kennys wasn't quiet at all, tbh scream is the one who talks the least with NBK, even though NBK plays mostly solo.
On the other hand, someone like Ex6 who screams for nothing doesn't help either, but he is pushing the team for the best so it's okay.
I went into a look on cadred now and "Rickeh" says that kennyS misses a lot of shots and that he is so inconsistent at the game. I really lol'd when he is the second one with the highest KDR acc and stats.
Post edited 2013-05-07 23:07:39
I think he misses shots only because he wants to shoot super quickly and doesn't take his time to be accurate, even though he could.
kennyS > Fifflaren
I only feel sorry for TCM, Guardian, cly... That team had such a potential. Hope they will find some way to stick together with another good player.
Shoxie is amazing tho.
And WW has lost almost every match the last 2-3 weeks, Epsilon is on the edge of beeing a top10 team?
fnatic lost to VG in birmingham and haven't proven any good results except for an 5-6 place at cph.
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anyways as long as they have both Ex6 & Smithz they won't beat NiP, even though seeing ScreaM & Shoxie on the same line up again is cool
But what will happen with TCM Gaming now?
Will kennyS link up with apEX, Uzzziii, akeR, (area) ? :D
Post edited 2013-05-07 19:31:06
KennyS > all in VG
now i wont even mention them in top5!
70 hmm they need at least "20" to play with NiP.
Pred 7 minútami
Time to retire.. But i will wait few months for some good offers and if wont get any I will retire. Anyway, thank you for your support guys..
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Time to retire.. But i will wait few months for some good offers and if wont get any I will retire. Anyway, thank you for your support guys..
I hope GuardiaN will write about this very soon
-Smithzz or ex6 (he sucks)
Post edited 2013-05-07 19:42:07
Where now for kennyS? Could see him in the new SuperstarS lineup? Would like to see apex, uzzii, kennys, happy and maniac together.
As for GuardiaN.. would be smart for him to join an all German lineup, even without shoxie TCM could dominate in the EPS.
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(feel really bad for GuardiaN though)
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Could be interesting internally, they've had big issues with egos in the past. Hopefully they've matured past that now.
Feel really sorry for GuardiaN, best awper in the game and easily top10 player and he can't get a team together. Real shame.
GL for the future.
kennyS will join the french mix Superstars (sure he will continue to play the game)
this is not a dumb move, as most hltv retards can say
see you soon :)
I hope to see RpK & kennyS in some great team , maybe with GuardiaN etc.
Post edited 2013-05-07 19:50:56
whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy KennyS ?
just shock o0
Stop crying about bad decission, maybe smithzz going now for team role: Sniper- will see.
Time to retire.. But i will wait few months for some good offers and if wont get any I will retire. Anyway, thank you for your support guys..
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kenny won most nuke maps alone playing god mode in this map
i remeber last time they played anexis on nuke he went 22-1 ct side.
and u cant compare nips players to vg players
nip's players balance fifflaren's bad awp
but this cant be the same in verygames.
If any, the blame should be put on Ex6tenZ leadership and tactical failure.
shox is 2strong
Now they have AWP agian, and shoxie is IGL
NIP/VP go home..
anyways... cs is not what it used to be.
Sign a player and immediately accuse him of being unprofessional and harmful to team spirit, and basically say you didn't want him in the team.
Must fill him with motivation.
But it must be tough to play when the president says this: "I personnally wouldnít have made that choice, but I hope that Richard and the rest of the team are going to prove me wrong."
What is he doing. He can't fucking criticize his team in the press, it makes it looks really unprofessional. He has to back them up officially even if he doesn't but that is something he and the rest of the leading management in VeryGames need to discuss in private. This will not make it easier for the team to perform well in the future when they know that the leader doesn't agree with them.
1) They didn't kick their best player.
2) It was obviously a tough choice, one which wasn't particularly backed by the management, but was chosen by the players themselves. There is no problem with critising in the public eye, it shows that he won't take any rubbish and will be watching very closely.
I think you need to watch some real sports, players and managers alike get criticised by each other.
Next he says that he doesn't agree but that he hope they prove him wrong. No place in that statement he says that he believes in them, he just hope.
If you follow football the leaders of a club says one day before a match that they believe in the coach and that they won't sack him but after he loist the game he gets sacked.
They have to back them up in the press while they can discuss all the other stuff in the leaders room.
without kennyS VG wouldnt get close scores against NiP at the ESEA Lan Finals. Im bout changing my fav team now :S
Average kills per round0.78
Average deaths per round0.58
Team rating rank2
TOP2 PLAYER OF WHOLE TEAM
REPLACED? fuck you Ex6
Post edited 2013-05-07 20:17:40
happy to see shoxie joining VG, but... why kennyS? ):
It is such a waste to see the loads of talented french players without being able to form a correct roster.
I mean come on, why are ex6tenz and smithz still in the roster please ? And why kicking kennyS while he is one of the top fraggers ,?? makes no sense to me ..
It was easy, though:
kennys, nbk, shox, scream, 5th . I dont want to see ex6's face please :(
Post edited 2013-05-07 20:31:24
Both ex6tenz and smithz bring a load of experience, as well as being a bit older and more mature than the rest of the squad.
I didn't think that VG needed a roster change to begin with, above all not shoxie (especially since that meant the fall of TCM), but if they were to change it, I'd still have thought that cutting SmithzZz would have been the better choice.
vg lost to nip not because of their aiming skills
swedes outsmart the french team
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Its gonna make me laugh when shox will start fighting with ex6 again. He ll get what he deserves.
Kennys lets join LDLC and kick VG's asses.
wtf stay in 1 lineup god dammit
anyway R.I.P vg team
Post edited 2013-05-07 20:49:43
Are you kidding?
Really really really really really suprising stuff,kenny was so great AWPer :(
Ex6 should have been cut or even Scream who is so overrated.
Think about it, kennyS was fragging allot yes, but he was also making the most crucial mistakes.
Not to mention that he needed the AWP to be impactfull on most maps.
Now they have 5 experienced riflers, many of whom can AWP if needed, but none of them need the AWP to do great.
Superstars new lineup:
Flex0r, mateoo, kennyS, apex and uzzi
i just hope he don't end in a team like superstars crap
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i hope they doing good. verygames is important for the scene.
VG should be:
and ex6tenz in his mumble calling the strats :D
Post edited 2013-05-07 21:52:49
And LDLC.COM will be a top5 contender.
I hope TCM picks up KennyS+RpK.
Pathetic change not in the sense of shoxie joining (he is the one of the best riflers with RpK) which even the manager wants to do it comes in the sense that why the fuck are you kicking YOUR MOST TALENTED player, YOUR BEST AWP which is a clear difference into CSGO (not many good AWPS) and probably the best player in the team with motivation and youngness. I renember GeT_RiGhT also said he was their best there due to his AWP and now he must be really grateful with that change despite this lineup won't ever beat NiP. He has a bad relation with EX6TENZ (like weber with Rattle) and you just get him again and again (fourth time to desesperately beat NiP) but sincerely they won't do it with that change.
"Kenny is still young and the switch to Global Offensive didn�t help him with catching up with his experienced teammates. I�m pretty sure he�ll get that experience and fill the gaps in his gameplay soon."
What a pathetic and excuseless statement.
gl kennyS, you really deserve hope he goes at least with apEX mateOo Happy etc who could be a good team. I don't think kennyS really expect this. Enjoy your top3-4 whole game Ex6tenz mimimi.
"Richard always lacked of professionalism and team spirit to be a part of the high level competition."
Brainless aimer ScreaM will apport more for sure.
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So you are the retarded since i know him and every situation, something you don't hahaha. Anyways comparing me HUMPEN with kennyS is just a freaking joke like you are coming to insult me here freaking saudi. Hope you get a nuclear bomb and go away. See? I can also insult you freaking retard. Probably your flag is a fake since you don't have to chat or have internet right there...better said...CSS didn't arrive yet there (even Minecraft tho) (mad?). You can ask ANYONE who has some clue from CSS about HUMPEN and they will tell you.
Rickeh is completely retarded and has no clue.
To end with such insignificant insect like you are...look at mostly every post in this thread and you will see i'm right and they defend kennyS. Greetings, xoxo and peace.
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come on tell me what you have done in esports to regard urself as a known player you little cretin
before you even try it yes i was born in uk but never played for the uk scene so no bullshit comments
ive played for the germany usa and UAE since i live in dubai so tell me since i am clued up on the german scene
Post edited 2013-05-07 23:05:42
Guardian = dead
TCM = dead
KennyS choice = SuperStars, LDLC ...
kennyS the best awper in csgo!
but I'm certain he has a bright future, gl kenny
can't wait to see smithzz fulltime awping again
kennyS is a young player with a great awp, great aim skills and high motivation while ex6tenz is just the originating member deciding whether to kick someone or not. as u can tell, kennyS also has very good statistics on hLTV (ex6tenz doesn't even get close).
i don't think ex6tenz is a demanded player and it's just rediculous that necessarily HE has to talk about "gaps" and "catch[ing] up". in my eyes, he's probably the most unsympathetic player in the scene.
i hope he's gonna find a new good team.
Post edited 2013-05-07 23:50:53
kennyS, shoxie, smithz, scream, nbk. :)
not sure who would be the ingame-leader, but they would find a solution.
even without a real ingame-leader they would play better than they do with ex6tenz on their side.
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- scream & shoxie together again --> motivation boost
- probably less missed easy awp shots and smithz gains some motivation for new 'old' role
- better aim overall
- probably less fast awp shots and maybe worse awp movement
so overall imo a good move but if they will argue that move will turn out to be crap.
I believe the right move would be:
Ex6tenZ as Heaton in NIP helping the team to improve with his tactics and so on.
So the team: -Ex6tenZ (coach)
VG is no longer in top 3 or top 5...
Hopefully kennyS finds a team, maybe TCM? He's a great AWPer.
You must be retarded. I'll be laughing my ass off if VG places at least 3rd at any major LAN now.
"Bad" is compared to what VG would have placed with kennyS, which probably would have been 2nd or 3rd.
You think they're top 1? Okay, watch VG get destroyed in DH.
U Dont expect...
arguments and valid point are stronk with this one.
Post edited 2013-05-08 10:22:59
"You think" referred to the person I was talking to. I never said I think VG will not place in top 3. I said I don't expect them to now.
The "probably" refers to the VG with kennyS. The VG with kennyS probably would place 2nd or 3rd.
Learn to read, then comment.
Kinda weird jumping from think, probably, expectations to "Now they won't even place in the top 5 or 6." or "Okay, watch VG get destroyed in DH."
cool story bro
Post edited 2013-05-08 10:41:52
Not placing in top 5/6 = getting destroyed in DH
My god, your retardation is just overflowing.
Tell me exactly why they will/wont place 5/6 at DH and will get destroyed.
Not cos you think. Not cos u expect.
Are u really that dumb ?
Post edited 2013-05-08 10:51:36
They will place 5th or worse in DH because they've lost their best AWPer and they've gained a player that NBK has had conflicts with.
I never said I think anything. Are YOU that dumb? Yes, because you can't read English.
I think that we can agree that ur just a dumb.
NBK never had a conflicts with shoxie. U have no idead what are u talking about. It was somebody else im sre u have no idea cos u wouldnt say NBK.
Once again how the fuck u cant predict something with a 100% certainty.
Oh that dumbness...
"The biggest question right now, however, is whether the team will be able to get past the internal problems that led to Papillon being removed from the team in November 2011 and to Nathan "NBK" Schmitt publicly saying at one point that the former TCM-Gaming ace would "never play for VeryGames again."
Btw i guess not cos u didnt sait that bullshit. Everyone knows that there was only one man which has a problems with shoexie. And it wasnt NBK...
Its like when 1.6 guys trying to cover it and has no idea about past css...
And u stil didnt answer the question. How can u say that with a 100% certainty ? Is it something u have proof about it what will happend ? U can read future ?
OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT U ONLY THINK WILL HAPPN ?
Post edited 2013-05-08 11:07:36
And how about you actually READ THE OTHER FUCKING COMMENTS.
How many people think that -kennyS +shoxie was a good idea? Looks like you can't read for shit.
Stop editing your posts, you illiterate faggot.
What a retard. And btw im not editing my words. Im adding more words.
And it was ex6tenz eveyone knows it you retard. only you HLTV kids eat everyting what HLTV gives you into your mouth...
Post edited 2013-05-08 11:13:21
Everyone knows it? How come I don't see anyone saying shoxie had issues with ex6?
If you hate HLTV that much then leave for all I fucking care. One less retard.
There was a long history between VG (mainly ex6 cos he dint liked shoxie cos of his attitude)
Im not saying you must know everything. But if u know shit u shoudnt be talking about it right ? which is your example.
and shoxie vs kennys. "simply cos hes better player" I think that this is the proof why there no point in arguing with you. We can end it here.
Just sayin, from a neutral POV, since watching CS:GO kennyS has definitely been the stand out player from VG. Other guys have their moments but in the big matches kennyS was the big player.
VG Ex6 = fnatic cArn --> can't kick him before he retires
and kennyS has a childish attitude so this is a great move for VG. They are as strong as VP now and can beat NiP
Go 1.6ers, destroy all fcking sourcers.
1.6 > source
Hopefully they can all get along and stay together now.
I mean, come on, does nobody realise the whole reason shoxie left in the first place was because of team issues?
If VG loses to NiP, please go kill yourself.
"The biggest question right now, however, is whether the team will be able to get past the internal problems that led to Papillon being removed from the team in November 2011 and to Nathan "NBK" Schmitt publicly saying at one point that the former TCM-Gaming ace would "never play for VeryGames again.""
Who can't read now?
Why don't we just wait for DreamHack and see what happens to VG? Then you'll understand...
ps. nip will still destroy vg, even with your beloved shoxie.
Post edited 2013-05-14 13:51:21
I realise what happened with Shoxie before, it's a risky move and I'm not saying it's going to pay off. I do think it was the right decision though.
Why don't you watch him play at DH then? We'll see how bad Smith does then.
Im sure that after he gets some hours with the AWP and gets customed with his new role in the team Verygames will be 5x better than what they were before.
Verygames will win at DH, NiP second
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The problem is Ex6tenZ! His stupid strats and calls were sufficient for Source with players like NBK RPK shox but now it's over.
He is far away from 1.6 masterminds like cArn ave TaZ gobb HaRts and know he has to face it on the same game :))) He just hopes it's not the case but we will see in the next matches from VG!
Post edited 2013-05-08 05:16:25
VG has powerfull aimers but lack a better teamplay and better strategies (sauce syndrom), ESC has better teamplay and strategies but some players are just bad aimers at Go(Loord, Neo not on shape, kuben never was a top aimer).
On CS GO you need the aim and the brain like f0rest GTR Xizt markeloff Edward and others if you hope to become the best team in the world.
they sound pretty sure to me.
This is the OP's statement, not VG's.
nice try, retard
no matter who joins the team they will fail
trace joins SK delpan out and after month
delpan back trace out
anyway VG must kick ex6teNz not kennys
Remember when carn retire and fnatic pick up karrigan and it was freaking awesome lineup i think VG need to do same
and bad for TCM, maybe kennys joins LDLC ...
Post edited 2013-05-08 08:54:02
fnatic are just average on csgo
navi wont be as big as everyone wish
VG will step it up in the next few months, and teach every1 what is the real deal.
stupid move VG !!!
sad for TCM team ... ;/
1st of all Ex6 is best friends with NiaK ( manager )
2nd Ex6 is IGL and prob the best IGL France has atm
I think this lineup will make bigger impact on who is really top2 in the world and I think VG will comeback on this place or even beating NiP
GL KennyS in future
I feel sorry for KennyS, best awper in CSGO for sure
Guardian >/ Markeloff >> RattlesnK = fris = kennyS
BTW, there the fuck are the US awpers?
pretty nice awp skill like AZK , Skadoodle , frozt , sgares , dazed
Nico was never top awper, (HE WAS GOOD) but not top.
so in 6 months maybe (im sure btw) SmithzZ will be at top3/5 awpers.
we are talking about all csgo 1 year scene. markeloff was always top 5 to top 7
thats all my opinion. :)
If they can regain that teamwork (ScreaM is weaker than RpK for sure, not aimwise obviously but overall) and SmithZz gets into form with awp this will be one hell of a team, maybe even become world 1.
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YOU SIR,deserve an award !
I mean , a REAL OSCAR !!
The ultimate AWP madfragger replacement, if he only was french :<
epic lineup :D
SmithzZ will be alot better with the awp when he has practiced with it more. also he's more stable with that big green than kennys.
yeah okay, kennys got those ridiculous shots with the awp but some people just can't see the whole picture.
also, to the people that doesn't know their past:
their chemistry SHOULD improve now since they've all played with each other in the past. just wait..
Post edited 2013-05-08 16:17:28
VG has Smithz a proved world class awper and even the Rest of the Team could adapt to a AWP Game if they wanted anyway.
Or do you think AWP Gaming needs some special Force effort?
It just needs alot of practice and dedication. it's simple as that.
I mean VG isn't full with Spastics, so relax and enjoy some shoxieness and the rest of enormous skilled players now.
I wish Kenny all the best, the world will not go down because of a fucking teamchange in CS.
They are all healthy and alive Jesus.
Post edited 2013-05-08 16:37:10
Ex6TenZ has also shown he is very capable with it too (he also used to be an AWPer in CS:S)
NBK and Shox can both use the AWP and have infact AWPed before themselves. So yeah, no issues for VG with this lineup.
yes right thx for this bullshit statement..just keep ex6tenz and add fifflaren and disruptor u cunts..
It's a risky move: Richard always lacked of professionalism and team spirit to be a part of the high level competition [...]
I personnally wouldn't have made that choice, but I hope that Richard and the rest of the team are going to prove me wrong.
Jesus Christ, this sounds like the most naive decision in CS history.
(Edit: naive on the part of the players - when even your own management is publicly saying they think it's a bad idea, you're probably delusional.)
Post edited 2013-05-08 20:34:05
If the management were right about everything in these situations, then they would be playing in the team as the leader and Ex6tenz would be managing them.
I think the fact that the management publicly made these comments shows lack of understanding of team dynamics, and i wouldnt be surprised if a personal disagreement arose between them and Ex6tenz because they cannot see the possible benefit this could have. I personally think its quite unprofessional to make those comments and it shows lack of respect and trust towards players under the organisation. ESPECIALLY somebody like Ex6tenz who has been with them for so many years.
I certainly dont think dropping Kennys will hurt the team, imo shoxie is better than him skill wise AND he can work in a team better. The true test will be whether him and Ex6tenz can get along, i hope they can.
Post edited 2013-05-09 15:36:57
Post edited 2013-05-08 20:35:52
Verygames you're so stupid.
Shox's addition will give them more depths in the creative side. It's not the end of the world. ;)
But shoxie is way more complete player than kennys in every other way. Smithzz will be now main awp since he was in css.