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VeryGames came from behind to beat Ninjas in Pyjamas 2-1 (5-16 de_nuke, 16-14 de_cache, 16-6 de_inferno) and defend their RaidCall EMS One championship.
VeryGames started the grand final by winning the all important terrorist side pistol round, and impressively lost zero members on the next rounds as they went up 3-0.
Robin "Fifflaren" Johansson's double gave NiP their first round, and NiP easily shut down VeryGames' upper attack next. One more loss tied the game, and VG's save gave NiP a 4-3 lead.
Another quick CT win made it 5-3 before a triple by Nathan "NBK" Schmitt gave VeryGames their first weapon round, which was followed by another round win in lower.
Now tied at five rounds each, NiP won a crucial weak buy and then Edouard "SmithZz" Dubourdeaux ran out of time in a one-on-two, giving NiP some momentum again.
The Swedes used that momentum to win the final two rounds as Schmitt's one-on-three attempt was lost after two kills, and Johansson's double secured a 10-5 half.
NiP evened things out in the pistol department by winning the pistol round as well, and winning VG's two consecutive save rounds put them ahead 13-5.
An attack towards the lower site broke VeryGames' defense on the fourth round, and after a save round the French-Belgians were facing a 5-15 deficit and ten map points.
With Christopher "GeT_RiGhT" Alesund left alone in a one-on-four it looked like Schmitt & co would finally get on board, but the Swede won the round and secured NiP a 16-5 win.
VeryGames won the opening pistol round again on de_cache, and only lost one member as they went up 2-0. Friberg then got an entry into B, but Benrlitom's triple made it 3-0.
After a save NiP trailed 0-4, and Alesund couldn't convert a one-on-three into a win on the following round. The Swedes then attempted a slow strat through vents, but once again got mowed down to make it 0-6.
Ninjas in Pyjamas then took over the B site with Kèvin "Ex6TenZ" Droolans choosing to save his gun in a one-on-three. The save worked, and VeryGames shut down NiP next, making it 7-1 with NiP on a save.
NiP then reduced the deficit to 7-2, but they kept struggling to get those much-needed entry kills, a situation that continuously left them outnumbered as the rounds wore on. As such, they were making things very easy for VG, who picked up a commanding lead of 12-3.
The Swedish side then won the pistol round and the following two rounds to keep themselves in the game, reminding VG that they were not letting it go. NiP managed to string a couple of rounds together, eventually making it 8-12 after a three-kill round from Richard “Xizt” Landström.
The following round then went to VeryGames, courtesy of Edouard “SmithZz” Dubourdeaux, who won a 1-on-2 situation. Rounds kept going back and forth here, and with the score set at 13-10 in favour of VG it was pure madness: it looked like the French side had the round lost after a failed entry into the b site, but then Adil "ScreaM" Benrlitom pulled off three headshots out of nowhere to keep the team’s hopes alives. Dubourdeaux won the 1-on-1 against Adam "friberg" Friberg to put VG just two rounds away from victory.
Surprisingly, NiP were able to pick themselves up and take the game to the very last round, where VG kicked things off with a quick rush onto the B site, with lots of casualties from both sides. Landström, who was alone against two opponents, still got one kill but then Droolans sealed the deal to give VG a 16-14 victory.
Map three, de_inferno, began with NiP starting out the brighter and win the first three rounds. VG then made it 1-3, and then Nathan "NBK" Schmitt, who was low on cash, bought a shotgun and went on a tour around the map, eventually getting NiP's players by behind. He killed two players and then picked up a proper gun, eventually getting a third, which was just what VG needed to win the round.
Things were not looking good for NiP, who were being outaimed by VG on all fronts. an example of that is the eighth round: Friberg lands the entry kill on the B bomsite, but then Kèvin "Ex6TenZ" Droolans gets himself two kills through the smoke and a third one with a P250 to give his team-mates plenty of time to rotate and finish off the round.
With the score 5-3 in favour of VeryGames, Nathan "NBK" Schmitt brought us another moment of brilliance and picked up three kills in quick succession on the A bombsite to keep his team in the driving seat.
VG were, for most of the first half, the commanding side, and if NiP managed to get the last two rounds they will have Patrik "f0rest" Lindberg to thank, as the former 1.6 talent showed all his talent, picking up an ace in the last round to keep the Swedes in the race as they were now trailing by just five rounds.
But things quickly went sour for NiP, who lost the first two rounds. It seemed like the third round would go to NiP after Lindberg had picked up three kills with the Desert Eagle, but Richard "shox" Papillon won the 1-on-2 situation to deny NiP the chance to come back. That moment really struck the Swedish team, who never really found their feet again, allowing VG to cruise to a 16-6 victory and retain the RaidCall EMS One title.
RaidCall EMS One Fall 2013 final standings:
1. VeryGames - $12,000
2. NiP - $7,000
3-4. CPH Wolves - $4,000 + DreamHack Winter spot
3-4. Universal Soldiers - $4,000 + DreamHack Winter spot
5-6. Natus Vincere - $2,000
5-6. fnatic - $2,000
7-8. mousesports - $2,000
7-8. n!faculty - $2,000
Although the games have concluded in Cologne, you can look forward to more highlights, one more batch of photos as well as all GOTV demos as we wrap up our coverage for this weekend.
its the fall of every NiP team... realizing you're the best when you are and not preparing for the raise in the level of competition that will come as more ppl put more time into the game
Afterwards, he then said that they would never stop practise, cause then they would be able to always be the best.
Anyways, yeah. Impossible to tell.
I'd say, with everything going on in their lives a persons and a team, they got a lot on their minds.
Post edited 2013-10-29 17:24:18
in a way, even though they were way above everyone else at the beginning it kept them from progressing any further because they were just too damn good at the time
Are you guys BLIND????????????????
NiP is clearly superior than VG, in every single way.
NiP lost because they they did not practice much on cache. And they are absolutely right, de_cache is a competely random, retarded and useless map.
VG never did, and never will, win NiP in a bo3 in classical maps. That is a fact you all need to know.
Post edited 2013-10-28 02:43:22
And back to the match : I think it was VG who leveld up their game on last 2 maps that made difference. I couldn't belive how easy they gave Nuke after such a opening. The game was so close that you can't really say Vg is now best or NiP either. On the next day another team could win. And that's what we all wanted for so long time now. CS:GO actually getting interesting if result is unknown for these two. And also other teams are steeping up : fntic overtime with VG, US pretty close on beating VG on Inferno and NiP losing to CPH after sick comeback. One think is clear now : DHWinter will be amazing with this prize pool and teams so equal to each other as nowadays.
let us not forget f0rest is the best in the world
FACT - csgo deagle failed him, he put in good shots but he shoulda had a p250
perfect play by the best player in the world, he just got unlucky
not saying NiP would've won the game or anything ScreaM and shox were both on top of their games and both had over 70% headshots it was an insane game
First NiP fanboys said that VG will never be able to make a close map against NiP. Then they said that they will never be able to win a single map. Then a tournament with NiP in the competition. Then a Bo3. Then a grand final.
They proved you wrong every single time. Do you really feel the need to be embarrassed that much ?
So here is a fact that YOU need to know, since you seem to be blind : NiP lost to VG. Not once, not twice, three times. And it's not the last time either. That's plain, simple, and the last thing great champions like Get_Right and f0rest need are crying babies trying to justify their losses because they don't know what supporting a team means.
Reality is waiting for you downstairs. I'll see you there.
If anything, fiff will retire cause he is 26 and stated that he may not be around for too long. Bu NiP ain't gonna kick anyone or leave org. no way.
Post edited 2013-10-29 11:01:48
Fiff will retire when he leaves the team.
From my understanding of this, you believe thay may change lineup in the near future. IF DHW ain't succesfull for example.
Try to accept the reality bro just like VG fans accept the 1 year+ rape from NiP.
Post edited 2013-10-28 07:31:30
great finals, great tournament
So NEXT LINE PLEASE.
"Next line" sounds stupid and is never used...
Just kidding, love u
Also, you might consider the fact that VG won their first international tournament (Madcatz Birmingham) in early april, which makes approximately 8 months after the beginning of the scene.
k1ck will always be max top20
But next time you post your awesomely won internet argument, remember: "Arguing on the internet is like running at the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded."
But coooooool anyway!
losing maps against:
while VG is pretty much consistent against anyone.
Also VG is inconsistent online, they suck balls sometimes (e.g. vs Clan Mystik, lost 1-2)
Post edited 2013-10-27 22:56:49
Also VG is inconsistent online
Also VG is inconsistent online
Also VG is inconsistent online
u srs m8
As if NiP hadn't lost to teams they shouldn't have. Or any other team, for that matter. Sure, they are better on LAN. So ? Good for them, better that than the opposite right ? There are teams that have troubles on LAN but do great online.
Also, since online is a lot more random, there is no reason for them not to lose from time to time to underdogs.
Finally, even without this, upsets happen. We saw that time and time again. VG is no exception.
My definition of a "consistent" team is a team that has the same results in every one of their games, e.g. 2-0 every bo3, online or LAN.
My definition of a "top team" or "strongest team" is one that wins every single one of their games. NiP was very close to doing this prior to their losing streaks against Virtuspro at StarSeries V.
Also, online isn't "random"; there are some factors that may affect results (e.g. shoxie's ping) but a good team should win in any situation, online or LAN.
Did I just saw you mean "NiP was very close to being the strongest team" ?!
Because if it was, that must be the most incredibly delusional thing I've ever seen on HLTV. And I've seen a lot. So you're basically saying : "nah, 87-0-0 on LAN isn't really enough to make them the strongest".
Of course they ended up losing, because THAT'S WHAT HUMANS DO ! They are not perfect and never will be !
So now, no they are not the strongest team anymore, maybe they'll be back in their spot some day, we'll see.
And you're completely wrong about consistency. If you want you can have a look at the definition, but consistency is surely not perfection. So no, a team doesn't need to make 2-0 in every Bo3 or any crap like that to be called consistent.
Consistency has certain degrees, and VG have proved by their results that they are the most consistent team (online or LAN alike) in the world along with NiP. Anyone stating the opposite would have to back it up with serious and numerous FACTS to be credible...
I never said I expected a team to be consistent/perfect/whatever word you want to use. It's nearly impossible.
"Your" definition ? xD I guess this explains it then.
Whatever man, you can try to bend the meaning of words as much as you like. I don't mind. It's just that you'll probably have troubles communicating on certain topics by doing so ^^.
I never said that I'm expecting a team to be consistent/perfect/etc. I simply explained my definition of it.
If you think I'm saying so, then you should read my entire reply again or stop replying, because you're failing to understand shit.
I'm not bending the meaning of words. A team that is consistent is "unchanging in achievement or effect over a period of time; unchanging" (source: Oxford Dictionary).
If a team loses or drops maps sometimes that's not being consistent.
Dude, if you can't understand a definition after reading it and copy pasting it to someone to prove your point, I won't be able to help you.
In the other hand, since you're proving yourself wrong all by yourself, it saves me the trouble to do so.
That statement is incorrect.
Your statement, "[VG is] still the most consistent" is correct, but is different from Antifrag's original point.
Antifrag replyed to your statement that VG are inconsistent.
So the point is that you called the most consistent team in the world inconsistent :D
Yes, I was incorrect, imonoz wrote that originally, but my point was "VG is inconsistent online".
Okay, they're the most consistent team on LAN, I was wrong. But not online, and that was the message I was trying to get across.
I never said, or meant "VG is pretty much consistent against anyone".
First of all because they are not consistent against NiP.
And then because there are teams that they didn't face enough to be able to define a consistency against those. There also may be teams against which they didn't perform consistently, I would need to go check VG's stats to know which ones, and I don't really have the time to do it right now.
I did say, however, that VG was the most consistent team in the world (along with NiP). In other words we take the GLOBAL consistency rate for international tournaments results to compare the teams.
Good job. You won the argument.
You're still not understanding my point about consistency though.
Same scores for every one of their games - 0 losses.
Or any team that has lost every single one of their games.
Same results = unchanging = consistent.
What you're describing is not consistency (well it's part of consistency, but you don't need to have exact same results to be called consistent).
If you doubt it, I suggest you have a look at other sports than CS, and listen to sport analysts. Consistency is used a lot to rank players or teams, and they don't need "absolutely unchanging results" to use the adjective consistent.
Post edited 2013-10-29 15:35:36
Yes, maybe it's not the accepted definition, maybe it's ridiculous of me.
But in the same way my definition of "doing well on a test" means a grade higher than 97%, "consistency" for me has to mean the same results.
Let's just leave it at that, no point in arguing any further.
Anyway, the discussion reached its end I guess.
Good evening to you.
If VG is winning a lot of their games, e.g. bo3s 2-0, then 100% consistency would be winning ALL of their games 2-0.
It's because much of their results are 2-0 (in the case of bo3's) that they would only be consistent if they won all of their games like so.
The VeryGames from Source is back.
The natural conclusion from this is that Source players have superior aim and game knowledge to 1.6 players.
For NiP to be able to compete in the future, Fifflaren and Friberg need to replace Xizt and possibly one of GTR/f0rest with some of their source mates.
SmithZz and Ex6TenZ are no longer deadweights fragwise, and NBK was just as good as ScreaM and shoxie at this event.
They adapt faster as well.
Anyway, hands down to the tournament organizers. This is by far the best tournament I've ever watched with many great features. Map veto, statistics during the game etc, all great additions for the viewers.
Keep it up!
f0rest vs scream really great performance
Post edited 2013-10-27 22:59:12
No more ADADAD from GTR and Xizt and here you go - VG>NiP.
I'm wondering: what will happen when movement finally become fixed at all?
Post edited 2013-10-27 23:02:23
Congratulations to VERYGAMES. It's really so deserved. Their had work finally paid off.
Dreamhack gonna be fun
Anyhow, great play by both teams, could've gone either way! Looking forward to Dreamhack Winter!
Maybe he should bait more to up his K/D ratio and stop clutching/opening rounds so much. XD
Post edited 2013-10-27 23:08:43
Post edited 2013-10-27 23:21:56
Thank you to all who made this possible
Post edited 2013-10-27 23:26:46
Fifflaren actually played very well this event.
Please cut your fucking crap.
VG top 1 in current form, they're playing like absolute freaks atm
Don't hope they make changes
Btw. I didn't watch the match, VOD?????
Said it before and I'll say it again. Fifflaren has to go.
I called this 6 months ago when NiP were unbeatable. They should've replaced him then and they never would have lost. Can't believe I'm saying this, but...
Sometimes you just don't turn up, it happens to all players. look at scream at ESWC. and it happened to so many players in the 1.6 days in the top teams but I never saw comments like the one made. It's literally just because he's a "saucer". Not saying that's your reason for believing he needs to be dropped just that it seems to be massive reason as to why he gets so much flame.
ps not trying to flame you, you're entitled to your opinion :D just trying to spark some debate.
it was Papillon and it was 1-on-2 actually..
Post edited 2013-10-28 00:14:34
playing with 4 guys everygame must be hard..
He just needs MODDII's gear, he started being bad again when he stopped using the gear he borrowed from MODDII :D
Anyways, as I said previosuly furhter up in the comments, Fiff has stated that he may not be around for too long and may retire at some point, when he is 27. He will not seek to be part of eSports afterwards.
isnt xizt calling strats too lol.
go get delpan plz
Post edited 2013-10-28 01:09:39
1. 45.000+ viewers
2. great prize for "minor" LAN (35.000)
3. NiP dethroned
4. Joe Miller, Anders , NBK , Pansy & especially ReDeYe was AWESOME.
5. as a saucer (VG) fan im not sure if VG is #1.
* NiP Lost 2 EMS Finals, SLTV , they'll not attend to ESEA and MSI Beat It. if VG won ESWC, for me they will be TOP1 CSGO team. (OK OK its DHW, but too many looses in a row for NiP)
6. csgo is growing!
7. Actually 4 teams on their best can be top1. (Astana Dragons, NiP , Verygames , CPH Wolves)
*following teams like coL,US,iBUYPOWER,Fnatic,SK.Gaming,NaVi etc etc
EDIT: Great job, Great tournament , Great matches
Post edited 2013-10-28 01:12:41
And super well played by VG and congratz :P
NiP should really get a great awp player instead of letting f0rest using it, not that he is bad with it, but rather want to see him as an rifler :P
Edit: Oh yeah and i think US was playing really good aswell, seems like TaZ is much more happy and same with neo. They just gotta keep pracc'ing.
Post edited 2013-10-28 01:32:56
-Smithzz da Baus
-Ex6tenz das Baus
-Shox da Baus
-NBK da Baus
-Scream da Baus
and the nip boys also ofcourse, but don't be mad that i grant a hard working team like saucebaus power VG those earned wins.
we all like NIP, but nip have won everything you can over a year, so such a change in the scene is just welcome.
if i wanna know a resultoutcome before i watch the sports i just can watch klitschko fights you know but esports have to stay exciting.
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Post edited 2013-10-28 02:39:24
stop saying -fiff. Granted he did not play well in the finals but he and friberg all the way until then were the best 2 players in the team.
if nip wants to Win, Friberg & Fifflaren & Xizt need to Step up Huge. VG is just simply on another level, and They also won both Pistolrounds on Inferno which made them win
They didn't steal anyone, Shoxie wasn't in any team, and it was ScreaM's own decision, which was the best thing that could happen to him given his experience at the time. He has grown so much in VG, and I think he has still unveiled potential left.
Sweden has more talented players in CS than any other country. Your excuse is the worse you could have come up with.
NiP domination is over
Mighty performance by ScreaM and NBK
friberg and Fifflaren needs to step up
Post edited 2013-10-28 07:14:07
You can't win final with 4 players anymore
Post edited 2013-10-28 08:03:25
This final could of ended 2 - 0 to NiP or like it did now 2 - 1 to VG, real fun to watch and great event by ESL
NBK - GTR
Exist - Xzist
Smithz - Fifflaren
Shox - Friberg
Which of these are the biggest mismatch?
Post edited 2013-10-28 10:37:14
This is not funny.
just kidding :D NiP is strong, but at this moment VG is stronger, deal with it
GG VeryGames. I'm a onepointsixer, but the CT play by VG is off the charts.
Post edited 2013-10-28 18:25:08
pretty sure it was A site, and shoxie won 1-on-1 against friberg
Well played VG at EMS! :)
Post edited 2013-10-28 19:30:54
Because Fifflaren sucks with awp,f0rest need to play on some maps with the awp(not that he is not good with the awp,tbh he is pretty damn amaizing with the awp too,maybe top10 awp) , but f0rest is much better with the riflers.
In my opinion NiP really need a stable awp player to let f0rest to make his job and for this is only one option: kick the weakest player and add a strong awp,so > -fifflaren +Delpan.