VG over NiP to win RC EMS One Finals
Time: 2013-10-27 22:50
Game: Counter-Strike: Global Offensive

VeryGames came from behind to beat Ninjas in Pyjamas 2-1 (5-16 de_nuke, 16-14 de_cache, 16-6 de_inferno) and defend their RaidCall EMS One championship.

VeryGames started the grand final by winning the all important terrorist side pistol round, and impressively lost zero members on the next rounds as they went up 3-0.

Robin "Fifflaren" Johansson's double gave NiP their first round, and NiP easily shut down VeryGames' upper attack next. One more loss tied the game, and VG's save gave NiP a 4-3 lead.

Another quick CT win made it 5-3 before a triple by Nathan "NBK" Schmitt gave VeryGames their first weapon round, which was followed by another round win in lower.

Now tied at five rounds each, NiP won a crucial weak buy and then Edouard "SmithZz" Dubourdeaux ran out of time in a one-on-two, giving NiP some momentum again.

The Swedes used that momentum to win the final two rounds as Schmitt's one-on-three attempt was lost after two kills, and Johansson's double secured a 10-5 half.

NiP evened things out in the pistol department by winning the pistol round as well, and winning VG's two consecutive save rounds put them ahead 13-5.

An attack towards the lower site broke VeryGames' defense on the fourth round, and after a save round the French-Belgians were facing a 5-15 deficit and ten map points.

With Christopher "GeT_RiGhT" Alesund left alone in a one-on-four it looked like Schmitt & co would finally get on board, but the Swede won the round and secured NiP a 16-5 win.


NiP take the lead in the series

VeryGames won the opening pistol round again on de_cache, and only lost one member as they went up 2-0. Friberg then got an entry into B, but Benrlitom's triple made it 3-0.

After a save NiP trailed 0-4, and Alesund couldn't convert a one-on-three into a win on the following round. The Swedes then attempted a slow strat through vents, but once again got mowed down to make it 0-6.

Ninjas in Pyjamas then took over the B site with Kèvin "Ex6TenZ" Droolans choosing to save his gun in a one-on-three. The save worked, and VeryGames shut down NiP next, making it 7-1 with NiP on a save.

NiP then reduced the deficit to 7-2, but they kept struggling to get those much-needed entry kills, a situation that continuously left them outnumbered as the rounds wore on. As such, they were making things very easy for VG, who picked up a commanding lead of 12-3.

The Swedish side then won the pistol round and the following two rounds to keep themselves in the game, reminding VG that they were not letting it go. NiP managed to string a couple of rounds together, eventually making it 8-12 after a three-kill round from Richard “Xizt” Landström.

The following round then went to VeryGames, courtesy of Edouard “SmithZz” Dubourdeaux, who won a 1-on-2 situation. Rounds kept going back and forth here, and with the score set at 13-10 in favour of VG it was pure madness: it looked like the French side had the round lost after a failed entry into the b site, but then Adil "ScreaM" Benrlitom pulled off three headshots out of nowhere to keep the team’s hopes alives. Dubourdeaux won the 1-on-1 against Adam "friberg" Friberg to put VG just two rounds away from victory.

Surprisingly, NiP were able to pick themselves up and take the game to the very last round, where VG kicked things off with a quick rush onto the B site, with lots of casualties from both sides. Landström, who was alone against two opponents, still got one kill but then Droolans sealed the deal to give VG a 16-14 victory.


shox and NBK were on fire, as usual

Map three, de_inferno, began with NiP starting out the brighter and win the first three rounds. VG then made it 1-3, and then Nathan "NBK" Schmitt, who was low on cash, bought a shotgun and went on a tour around the map, eventually getting NiP's players by behind. He killed two players and then picked up a proper gun, eventually getting a third, which was just what VG needed to win the round.

Things were not looking good for NiP, who were being outaimed by VG on all fronts. an example of that is the eighth round: Friberg lands the entry kill on the B bomsite, but then Kèvin "Ex6TenZ" Droolans gets himself two kills through the smoke and a third one with a P250 to give his team-mates plenty of time to rotate and finish off the round.

With the score 5-3 in favour of VeryGames, Nathan "NBK" Schmitt brought us another moment of brilliance and picked up three kills in quick succession on the A bombsite to keep his team in the driving seat.

VG were, for most of the first half, the commanding side, and if NiP managed to get the last two rounds they will have Patrik "f0rest" Lindberg to thank, as the former 1.6 talent showed all his talent, picking up an ace in the last round to keep the Swedes in the race as they were now trailing by just five rounds.

But things quickly went sour for NiP, who lost the first two rounds. It seemed like the third round would go to NiP after Lindberg had picked up three kills with the Desert Eagle, but Richard "shox" Papillon won the 1-on-2 situation to deny NiP the chance to come back. That moment really struck the Swedish team, who never really found their feet again, allowing VG to cruise to a 16-6 victory and retain the RaidCall EMS One title.

Result
RaidCall EMS One Fal..
VeryGames
2
NiP
1

 
K - D
+/-
HS %
Rating
54-48
+6
46.3
1.10
52-51
+1
48.1
1.07
47-49
-2
44.7
0.95
34-55
-21
50.0
0.66
 
 
K - D
+/-
HS %
Rating
57-46
+11
77.2
1.18
65-56
+9
53.8
1.16
50-45
+5
64.0
1.10
39-45
-6
43.6
0.83
 

RaidCall EMS One Fall 2013 final standings:

1. VeryGames - $12,000
2.
NiP - $7,000
3-4. CPH Wolves - $4,000 + DreamHack Winter spot
3-4. Universal Soldiers - $4,000 + DreamHack Winter spot
5-6. Natus Vincere - $2,000
5-6. fnatic - $2,000
7-8. mousesports - $2,000
7-8. n!faculty - $2,000

Although the games have concluded in Cologne, you can look forward to more highlights, one more batch of photos as well as all GOTV demos as we wrap up our coverage for this weekend.

nice
2013-10-27 22:51:03
svett
2013-10-27 22:52:38
SCREAM OP
2013-10-27 23:42:23
i can into top comment section
2013-10-28 03:07:36
O my fucking god scream wass top rated player and with 77hs ratio dat iincredible
2013-10-28 04:04:18
he had 90% hs ratio vs nip xd such a beast... no doubt about vg and nip is top 1 place in world thoo i think that vg seems to be in better form that nip =)
2013-10-28 10:42:18
ofc best aimer in world
2013-10-28 19:23:49
after dreamhack winter we will know for sure weather they've been conserving strats or if the playing field has been leveled
2013-10-28 21:17:11
yeah... dhw will be a huge tournament i cant wait too see all the action!
2013-10-29 00:01:11
Even if they have, I actually do not think it would have won them the game, had they used them.
2013-10-29 10:56:26
it's impossible to tell, they have to be burned out to an extent too

its the fall of every NiP team... realizing you're the best when you are and not preparing for the raise in the level of competition that will come as more ppl put more time into the game
2013-10-29 16:56:11
I remember friberg in an interview, in the early days of the NiP team. He said something according to this "When we stop practicing cause we think we are best, we will lose."

Afterwards, he then said that they would never stop practise, cause then they would be able to always be the best.

Anyways, yeah. Impossible to tell.

I'd say, with everything going on in their lives a persons and a team, they got a lot on their minds.

Post edited 2013-10-29 17:24:18
2013-10-29 17:23:53
still, it's hard to innovate and come up with new strats if everything you do is working... it used to be a "close game" if anyone got more than 5/6 rounds on NiP

in a way, even though they were way above everyone else at the beginning it kept them from progressing any further because they were just too damn good at the time
2013-10-29 22:23:31
fuu(
2013-10-27 22:58:02
gg by vg
2013-10-27 22:51:03
Final Score: NiP 36-37 VG (rounds)

Are you guys BLIND????????????????

NiP is clearly superior than VG, in every single way.

NiP lost because they they did not practice much on cache. And they are absolutely right, de_cache is a competely random, retarded and useless map.

VG never did, and never will, win NiP in a bo3 in classical maps. That is a fact you all need to know.
2013-10-28 00:35:00
You're not mad are you. a bo3 is a bo3 same way navi used to avoid nuke. now hush
2013-10-28 00:39:21
nice try, so NIP haven't trained inferno either?
2013-10-28 00:41:36
i think one thing did make the inferno match much easier for vp, and that being the shit deagle in csgo, that one round where forest went off and was in a 1v1 and his crosshair was on the guys head after 3 shots and all of them went everywhere but where he aimed. they should make that thing more accurate or just take it out. That round allowed vg to stay in control on t side, if that didnt happen nip would have won that round and most likely the next as it would have been an eco for vg and who knows if that would have still been a VG victory. rip 1.6 deag

Post edited 2013-10-28 02:43:22
2013-10-28 02:42:16
f0rest got nervous and was shooting too fast
2013-10-28 03:08:47
Valve give us the COMPLETE DETAILS about EVERY GUN. So stop crying because it's not valves fault why forest not hitting his shot even though he aim correct. You know the RECOIL, right? And WE know already that CSGO DEAGLE got that super high recoil so it's UP TO US if how we control it. And deal with it because THIS IS NOT CS 1.6 or CSS. This is CSGO. NEW GAME!
2013-10-28 04:35:31
In few rounds earlier f0rest made a triple kill with dgl ? It isn't that its recoil allowed VG to avoid losing this round. I havent played this weapon that much but there is one thing I noticed about dgl : you have to stand still, almost like in awp. It isn't like in 1.6 anymore when you could move and still frag. Thats why f0rest lost this round - in a situation he had to move he had worse accuracy.

And back to the match : I think it was VG who leveld up their game on last 2 maps that made difference. I couldn't belive how easy they gave Nuke after such a opening. The game was so close that you can't really say Vg is now best or NiP either. On the next day another team could win. And that's what we all wanted for so long time now. CS:GO actually getting interesting if result is unknown for these two. And also other teams are steeping up : fntic overtime with VG, US pretty close on beating VG on Inferno and NiP losing to CPH after sick comeback. One think is clear now : DHWinter will be amazing with this prize pool and teams so equal to each other as nowadays.
2013-10-28 08:47:15
it was luck if he hit those shots
2013-10-28 11:12:12
not from the distance he was at... maybe the first 3 kills may have had luck involved

let us not forget f0rest is the best in the world

FACT - csgo deagle failed him, he put in good shots but he shoulda had a p250
2013-10-29 16:57:47
Haven't seen the shots
2013-10-29 18:26:52
watch the VOD, he was almost at point blank on the last guy... the other guy was low he got a whole clip off and none of his bullets went where he was aiming

perfect play by the best player in the world, he just got unlucky

not saying NiP would've won the game or anything ScreaM and shox were both on top of their games and both had over 70% headshots it was an insane game
2013-10-29 19:28:44
The weapon is good fine. It has a high risk, high reward feature about it. Either you hit the shoots and can win a whole round from a good 1 or 2 headshots. Oooor, you just die. It ain't broken. It is a strategy to buy it.
2013-10-29 10:59:18
dont be mad!
saucers just having some fun with those random swedes!
2013-10-28 00:42:48
That's hilarious because you seem to be the blind man in this story ^^.

First NiP fanboys said that VG will never be able to make a close map against NiP. Then they said that they will never be able to win a single map. Then a tournament with NiP in the competition. Then a Bo3. Then a grand final.

They proved you wrong every single time. Do you really feel the need to be embarrassed that much ?

So here is a fact that YOU need to know, since you seem to be blind : NiP lost to VG. Not once, not twice, three times. And it's not the last time either. That's plain, simple, and the last thing great champions like Get_Right and f0rest need are crying babies trying to justify their losses because they don't know what supporting a team means.

Reality is waiting for you downstairs. I'll see you there.
2013-10-28 00:51:25
this made you explain crying VG HATERS! I just realize now that supporting each and everyone members in your losing time is SO IMPORTANT to bounce back and WIN. Hope that GTR and f0rest can support the team this time when they're losing and bounce back ASAP. And if they can't support, expect the members changing or organization change soon ;)
2013-10-28 04:41:17
nope

If anything, fiff will retire cause he is 26 and stated that he may not be around for too long. Bu NiP ain't gonna kick anyone or leave org. no way.

Post edited 2013-10-29 11:01:48
2013-10-29 11:00:43
dude what's your point about his retirement? lol.
2013-10-29 12:38:07
Point is, everyone is saying that they should kick him. I am saying he will never be kicked, only leave by retire.
2013-10-29 12:51:22
Then why you comment "nope" to my comment? We're on the same idea. lol
2013-10-29 15:52:22
You made it sound like that Fiff's retirement should come, by not his own will, but by being kicked from the team.
Fiff will retire when he leaves the team.
2013-10-29 16:23:46
OMG! Read the above post of my 1st comment where i second demotion what the guys says. lol
2013-10-29 16:27:39
"And if they can't support, expect the members changing or organization change soon ;)"

From my understanding of this, you believe thay may change lineup in the near future. IF DHW ain't succesfull for example.
2013-10-29 16:41:11
If forest and GTR WON'T support the failure in DHW. Emotional support.
2013-10-29 17:37:10
They wont fail, nothing to support.
2013-10-29 18:09:17
Pray and SPRAY dude! :P
2013-10-29 19:00:04
I actually hope VG win. :D
2013-10-29 19:10:55
LOL AHHAHAHAHHAHA
nice try
2013-10-28 00:53:05
16-6 de_inferno...

Nothing more is left to be said
2013-10-28 01:57:23
My God. My heart is aching reading this stupid comment. STOP CRYING dude. Deal with it. VG is RC EMS ONE champion. Every time NiP is losing, Brazilian fans is crying and putting some stupid comments that NiP is still better that VG in the event we're VG is CHAMP.

Try to accept the reality bro just like VG fans accept the 1 year+ rape from NiP.
2013-10-28 04:31:42
=)) dude never go full retard
2013-10-28 07:11:20
LOL? 46-27 to VG....Math fail? all the above ppl missed this ?:D

Post edited 2013-10-28 07:31:30
2013-10-28 07:31:08
16 on nuke + 14 on cache + 6 on inferno = 36 ... And you are talking about "Math fails" :)
2013-10-28 10:37:16
+ de_mirage_ce is missing from map pool
2013-10-28 11:28:50
VG already won them in a bo3 with classic maps 2 times. NT fanboy, go suck f0rest's dick.
2013-10-28 12:07:19
I support NiP, but there isn't any place for excuses when you own a Gaming House. :P
2013-10-28 13:34:16
you are best nip fanboy HAHAHAHAHAAHAH please go suck nip balls
2013-10-28 14:00:51
Terrible troll
2013-10-28 14:35:29
by: Stan!
#3
GG WP VG
2013-10-27 22:51:05
gg
2013-10-27 22:51:10
vg onliners....
2013-10-27 22:51:11
It was lan but nevermind,you're a retard.
2013-10-28 01:13:02
hes a fan of jOELZ ofcourse hes a troll
2013-10-28 01:19:58
CRAP
2013-10-28 03:03:27
EPIIIIIIIIC
2013-10-27 22:51:15
SWALOW THAT FOREST
2013-10-27 22:51:20
VERYGAMES
VERYGAMES
VERYGAMES
VERYGAMES
VERYGAMES
VERYGAMES
VERYGAMES

NUMBER ONE
2013-10-27 22:51:32
+1
-fiff +delpan

Post edited 2013-10-27 22:52:53
2013-10-27 22:52:37
hahahaha!
2013-10-28 04:43:47
gg
2013-10-27 22:51:46
world #1 VG
2013-10-27 22:51:50
VeryGames, what can you do?
2013-10-27 22:51:57
Stats please... I want to see ScreaM's 101% hs ratio...
2013-10-27 22:52:14
VG era is coming.
2013-10-27 22:52:15
u think bro?
2013-10-28 01:27:34
stats?
2013-10-27 22:52:24
GG VERYGAMES
2013-10-27 22:52:25
gutted when f0rest failed the clutch with deagle vs shox.

great finals, great tournament
2013-10-27 22:52:26
GGWP VeryGames , gratz to you guys!
2013-10-27 22:52:35
by: doh
#22
-fiff
2013-10-27 22:52:36
GG! :3
2013-10-27 22:52:45
ScreaM > all
2013-10-27 22:53:04
stats or i will die
2013-10-27 22:53:07
NEXT LINE PLEASE!
2013-10-27 22:53:09
failed, Next *in line
2013-10-27 22:54:00
you don't understand. next in line means you serve 1 person at a time. VG takes down a whole 1 line at a time.

So NEXT LINE PLEASE.
2013-10-27 22:55:53
No, it'd be Next [team] in line.
"Next line" sounds stupid and is never used...
2013-10-27 22:58:13
by: zzt
#111
sup grammar nazi
2013-10-27 23:06:57
No, nothing to do with being a 'grammar nazi', it's just not being retarded.

Post edited 2013-10-28 14:53:22
2013-10-28 14:52:59
Retard...
2013-10-27 23:28:04
is you.
2013-10-27 23:34:26
Nobody cares bye
2013-10-28 01:03:21
stop replying his comment when he clearly want to post the "next line please" so that you won't be look like stupid ;)
2013-10-28 04:47:56
Fuck you RegnaM you baguette fuck.

Just kidding, love u
2013-10-28 11:19:29
WHY DO I NOT SEE YOUR EROTIC YOUTUBE VIDS ANYMORE :( !!!
2013-10-28 11:49:00
They will make a return soon, it's just a matter of time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehBWXiMFUKs
2013-10-28 12:10:29
LOL <3 GOOD OLD HELBINDE
2013-10-28 12:22:56
<3 :D
2013-10-28 17:15:13
by: usk1
#43
u trained them good :p
2013-10-27 22:54:33
coke
2013-10-27 22:56:14
Wants you to call the "What up now Swedes"
2013-10-27 23:09:29
lol "your"team is finally winning some tournaments after what,1,5 year?nice one LOL
2013-10-28 01:58:39
WHAT'S UP NOW PORTUGUESE BOY! losing in the past is where the VG learned and become a CURRENT CHAMP! CRY MORE PORTUGUESE BOY! hahahahahaha
2013-10-28 04:50:18
wow
2013-10-28 11:17:28
WOW = NBK casting reaction :P
2013-10-28 11:45:10
No offense man, but after 1.5 year your team didn't do shit.

Also, you might consider the fact that VG won their first international tournament (Madcatz Birmingham) in early april, which makes approximately 8 months after the beginning of the scene.
2013-10-28 08:14:13
Being the number 2 isn't bad either, however now they're the number 1.

k1ck will always be max top20
2013-10-28 10:44:33
couldnt care less about k1ck,your country doesnt even have a team lol
2013-10-28 14:47:33
"coundnt care less about k1ck"<-- Has <3 k1ck in his name

legit?
2013-10-29 11:08:46
grats VG thx anders, pansy, redeye and the production crew this was sick!
2013-10-27 22:53:15
VG Top 1.
AD
NiP
2013-10-27 22:53:36
ScreaM's aiming is Unreal!
2013-10-27 22:53:47
GG WP both teams!

Post edited 2013-10-27 22:54:22
2013-10-27 22:54:12
gg
2013-10-27 22:54:16
n1n1n1n1n1n1n1 NBK mvp!
ScreamHS%.exe brutal!
2013-10-27 22:54:18
Also, http://i.imgur.com/PIkA6ju.jpg
2013-10-27 22:54:18
Seriously, you don't have to post that image on every topic. You're smart, we got it.
2013-10-27 23:04:17
i think it's only the second time that i post it :)
2013-10-27 23:14:47
owned! 2nd time dude! 2nd time! hahahahaha.
2013-10-28 04:53:19
Who ever that was, you destroyed him lol
2013-10-27 23:06:12
You are sooo cooooool!

But next time you post your awesomely won internet argument, remember: "Arguing on the internet is like running at the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded."

But coooooool anyway!

Dick.
2013-10-27 23:16:23
Don't know why you have to call him a dick. A lot of people argue like idiots on this site and never according to the hard facts. I just find it refreshing that somebody actually takes a little time to put up a valid argument instead of spewing worthless shit.
2013-10-27 23:34:50
+ 10
2013-10-28 00:48:40
Cool. I also find it desperate that he actually takes a screenshot of his presumably "won" e-argument and flaunts it around at any chance he gets like it's a 8th wonder of the world. But well, who cares anyway...
2013-10-28 00:54:07
No one cares what you think. If it bothers you then don't read it.
2013-10-28 01:06:46
Sorry, pal, but you had to admire how awesome I am.
2013-10-28 01:18:26
It's ok, there is nothing to admire, you don't have to apologize.
2013-10-28 01:30:40
Oh man, you're always so bitter when you're jealous!
2013-10-28 03:58:17
hahahaha.
2013-10-28 04:55:21
Don't make me upload my utter destruction of you please :(
2013-10-27 23:28:15
Feel free to do it.

Post edited 2013-10-28 00:04:02
2013-10-28 00:03:54
i wanna see. Stop crying and shot it :P
2013-10-28 04:56:00
gg wp! Great tournament!
2013-10-27 22:54:30
So I guess NiP was dethroned?

losing maps against:
VG
AD
fnatic
SK
Western Wolves
etc

while VG is pretty much consistent against anyone.
2013-10-27 22:54:31
You forgot the first to crush NiP, Virtus.pro

Also VG is inconsistent online, they suck balls sometimes (e.g. vs Clan Mystik, lost 1-2)

Post edited 2013-10-27 22:56:49
2013-10-27 22:56:16
VG mentioned plenty of times that, they struggle with other french teams - because they are being studied hardcore :(
2013-10-27 22:59:44
If you watch their actual gameplay online it's not just that the other teams are playing well, it's more that they play BADLY online. Missing easy shots, bad strats, etc.
2013-10-27 23:01:16
vg always had hard time against french teams as they don't prepare for them at all, if you heard them on mumble while playing nip right now, they knew exactly how they played, even on nuke.
2013-10-27 23:00:35
Also VG is inconsistent online
Also VG is inconsistent online
Also VG is inconsistent online
Also VG is inconsistent online

u srs m8
2013-10-27 23:00:52
hahahaha true +1
2013-10-27 23:01:48
I wonder what you're calling inconsistent. They qualified for every single league finals or tournament finals when there was online qualifiers before, as far as I know.
2013-10-27 23:14:00
Their results in online games. They've lost to teams they shouldn't have and have dropped maps in bo3s that again, they really shouldn't have as the supposedly strongest, if not then top-ranking team.
2013-10-27 23:34:02
...yeah right.

As if NiP hadn't lost to teams they shouldn't have. Or any other team, for that matter. Sure, they are better on LAN. So ? Good for them, better that than the opposite right ? There are teams that have troubles on LAN but do great online.

Also, since online is a lot more random, there is no reason for them not to lose from time to time to underdogs.

Finally, even without this, upsets happen. We saw that time and time again. VG is no exception.
2013-10-27 23:46:35
Well, looks like my standards are higher than yours.
My definition of a "consistent" team is a team that has the same results in every one of their games, e.g. 2-0 every bo3, online or LAN.

My definition of a "top team" or "strongest team" is one that wins every single one of their games. NiP was very close to doing this prior to their losing streaks against Virtuspro at StarSeries V.

Also, online isn't "random"; there are some factors that may affect results (e.g. shoxie's ping) but a good team should win in any situation, online or LAN.
2013-10-27 23:51:04
Dude, it's not standards anymore you're talking about... And honestly, the ones you're presenting are ridiculous. Why ? Because you're applying that to humans...

Did I just saw you mean "NiP was very close to being the strongest team" ?!
Because if it was, that must be the most incredibly delusional thing I've ever seen on HLTV. And I've seen a lot. So you're basically saying : "nah, 87-0-0 on LAN isn't really enough to make them the strongest".

Of course they ended up losing, because THAT'S WHAT HUMANS DO ! They are not perfect and never will be !
So now, no they are not the strongest team anymore, maybe they'll be back in their spot some day, we'll see.

And you're completely wrong about consistency. If you want you can have a look at the definition, but consistency is surely not perfection. So no, a team doesn't need to make 2-0 in every Bo3 or any crap like that to be called consistent.

Consistency has certain degrees, and VG have proved by their results that they are the most consistent team (online or LAN alike) in the world along with NiP. Anyone stating the opposite would have to back it up with serious and numerous FACTS to be credible...
2013-10-28 00:03:07
So it just comes down to my definition of consistency and standards being higher than yours. Oh well. No need to make a fucking shitstorm about it.

I never said I expected a team to be consistent/perfect/whatever word you want to use. It's nearly impossible.
2013-10-28 00:07:36
Well yes you did, that's basically what you explained in your "standards".

"Your" definition ? xD I guess this explains it then.

Whatever man, you can try to bend the meaning of words as much as you like. I don't mind. It's just that you'll probably have troubles communicating on certain topics by doing so ^^.

2013-10-28 00:40:29
No, you're missing the point.

I never said that I'm expecting a team to be consistent/perfect/etc. I simply explained my definition of it.
If you think I'm saying so, then you should read my entire reply again or stop replying, because you're failing to understand shit.

I'm not bending the meaning of words. A team that is consistent is "unchanging in achievement or effect over a period of time; unchanging" (source: Oxford Dictionary).
If a team loses or drops maps sometimes that's not being consistent.
2013-10-28 02:07:22
STFU DUDE! YOU'RE WRONG! DEAL WITH IT! hahaha :P
2013-10-28 04:59:29
Wrong? Care to explain where I'm wrong?
2013-10-28 07:16:38
I dont care because you will still state your reason what ever we says :P
2013-10-28 07:44:37
If you didn't care you wouldn't be replying.
If you're going to post something stupid without any explanation whatsoever, fuck off, please.
2013-10-28 07:49:48
hahaha. If i won't? Can't do nothing. bleeh! :P hahahaha.
2013-10-28 07:51:36
Yeah, obviously I'm the one failing to understand shit ^^.

Dude, if you can't understand a definition after reading it and copy pasting it to someone to prove your point, I won't be able to help you.

In the other hand, since you're proving yourself wrong all by yourself, it saves me the trouble to do so.
2013-10-28 07:31:00
If you can't read a definition don't bother arguing with me about it. No one's proving anyone wrong here.
2013-10-28 07:50:31
:)
2013-10-28 07:53:44
You can explain "your definition" as much as you want, but that doesn't change the fact that VG are the most consistent team right now. And even if I take your point, they are not 100% consistent (and nobody will ever be), they are maybe 85% consistent, but still the most consistent, because everybody else is even less consistent.
2013-10-28 09:30:29
His original statement was "VG is pretty much consistent against anyone."
That statement is incorrect.

Your statement, "[VG is] still the most consistent" is correct, but is different from Antifrag's original point.
2013-10-28 10:25:27
That's what imonoz originaly wrote, not antifrag.

Antifrag replyed to your statement that VG are inconsistent.

So the point is that you called the most consistent team in the world inconsistent :D
2013-10-28 13:11:34
I'm not trying to read word by word and take the literal definition.
Yes, I was incorrect, imonoz wrote that originally, but my point was "VG is inconsistent online".
Okay, they're the most consistent team on LAN, I was wrong. But not online, and that was the message I was trying to get across.
2013-10-29 00:03:46
lmao. Dude you have serious troubles understanding written texts. You really made my day with your trololo, which is good because it wasn't starting well (my day) ^^. So thank you for that.

I never said, or meant "VG is pretty much consistent against anyone".
First of all because they are not consistent against NiP.
And then because there are teams that they didn't face enough to be able to define a consistency against those. There also may be teams against which they didn't perform consistently, I would need to go check VG's stats to know which ones, and I don't really have the time to do it right now.

I did say, however, that VG was the most consistent team in the world (along with NiP). In other words we take the GLOBAL consistency rate for international tournaments results to compare the teams.
2013-10-28 14:17:49
Okay, I misread it. My bad.
Good job. You won the argument.

You're still not understanding my point about consistency though.
2013-10-29 00:00:24
I'm clearly not. Maybe if you gave examples where you consider a team being consistent it might help ^^.
2013-10-29 01:07:34
NiP on LAN until their losses at StarSeries V.
Same scores for every one of their games - 0 losses.

Or any team that has lost every single one of their games.

Same results = unchanging = consistent.
2013-10-29 01:51:55
Yeah, so that's exactly what I thought.

What you're describing is not consistency (well it's part of consistency, but you don't need to have exact same results to be called consistent).

If you doubt it, I suggest you have a look at other sports than CS, and listen to sport analysts. Consistency is used a lot to rank players or teams, and they don't need "absolutely unchanging results" to use the adjective consistent.

Post edited 2013-10-29 15:35:36
2013-10-29 15:34:35
I'm not doubting that. I've been trying to tell you that the way I see it is that consistency has to be the exact same results.
Yes, maybe it's not the accepted definition, maybe it's ridiculous of me.
But in the same way my definition of "doing well on a test" means a grade higher than 97%, "consistency" for me has to mean the same results.

Let's just leave it at that, no point in arguing any further.
2013-10-29 21:46:10
Definitions are made so everyone can understand each other. Sure, no one can force you to give a proper meaning to a word, but you'll have a lot of troubles in your discussions with others if you persist in sticking with your version of a word instead of the standard definition.

Anyway, the discussion reached its end I guess.

Good evening to you.
2013-10-29 22:21:59
You're right, because 100% consistensy means "Perfection".
2013-10-28 12:46:25
No, 100% consistency means same results.
If VG is winning a lot of their games, e.g. bo3s 2-0, then 100% consistency would be winning ALL of their games 2-0.
2013-10-29 00:01:04
And that would be perfect, wouldn't it ? :-)
2013-10-29 09:03:46
If they won all of their games 2-1 or lost all of their individual maps with scores like 13-16 and 14-16, that would also be consistent.

It's because much of their results are 2-0 (in the case of bo3's) that they would only be consistent if they won all of their games like so.
2013-10-29 10:22:51
That's perfection, not consistency and it's not possible. It will never happen.
2013-10-30 12:11:37
I never said it had to be possible.
A team can win all of their games 2-1, or consistently lose 13-16 or 14-16, or lose every one of their games. That's also consistency.
2013-10-30 12:14:18
+1
2013-10-28 02:26:03
clan mystik and vg were playing from their bootcammp houses in that match
2013-10-28 01:59:50
Clan mystik aint bad, KQLY and apex was sick in that match. No wonder VG had a hard time.
2013-10-29 11:15:12
-FiFf + ME
2013-10-27 22:54:57
what? please go play with easy bots
2013-10-28 14:03:11
that shox clutch on 2nd round ( vg as T) changed all
2013-10-27 22:55:18
in fact the last round of cache Ex6tence vs Xizt Clutch changed all :p
2013-10-27 22:57:36
wasn't it friberg?
2013-10-28 01:22:16
Was VS Forest, the last round on Cache
2013-10-28 14:18:44
ScreaM is a living aimbot. Oneshotting f0rest with 10 hp and act like nothing.. =)

The VeryGames from Source is back.
2013-10-27 22:55:26
You are a living Aimbot!
2013-10-27 22:56:16
:DDDDD doktish is AWESOME
2013-10-27 22:58:32
haha I thought you were going to write You are a living idiot or something xD :D
2013-10-28 01:42:45
by: nkr~
#49
So, having watched the final I think it's safe to say that having more CS:Source players in your team will increase your chances of winning.

The natural conclusion from this is that Source players have superior aim and game knowledge to 1.6 players.

For NiP to be able to compete in the future, Fifflaren and Friberg need to replace Xizt and possibly one of GTR/f0rest with some of their source mates.
2013-10-27 22:55:32
what are you on son
2013-10-27 23:06:15
The red pill.

Seems you me you decided for the blue one. To each their own!
2013-10-27 23:26:16
Wauw. Just wauw.

I can tell you that, if anything, it will be Fiff leaving. He stated he is soon getting too old for it and may not be around for very long. While he is 26, soon 27, the rest i 24 down to 19, if I recall correctly.
2013-10-29 11:17:31
Really good tournament. WP all...

NiP good, but not best (VG Best).
2013-10-27 22:56:34
sick game!
2013-10-27 22:56:43
wait dream hack
2013-10-27 22:57:07
Another Brazilian crying lady every time NiP lose. haha dafuq!
2013-10-28 05:02:03
Carlos Uneducardo
2013-10-28 14:27:18
ggwp
2013-10-27 22:57:08
by: CyYy
#59
GJ VG!
2013-10-27 22:57:17
VG are getting close to their source form. Back then, every VG player could destroy their opponent.

SmithZz and Ex6TenZ are no longer deadweights fragwise, and NBK was just as good as ScreaM and shoxie at this event.
2013-10-27 22:57:28
It's not just that. Shox's addition changed the way they approach their game. Their play style changed after that. Less structured and more flowing.

They adapt faster as well.
2013-10-27 23:19:03
Yup. I've watched their teamspeak stream and it seems that SmithZz is the one who talks the most, followed by both Ex6 and shoxie. NBK and ScreaM (i guess scream is the guy with an extremely low voice?) barely talk at all. Having another player helping with teamleading was really important for them I guess.
2013-10-28 01:07:26
Also, now I see why changing SmithZz is not really an option.
2013-10-28 01:12:13
by: Ivar
#61
Great tournament and well deserved victory for VeryGames.

Anyway, hands down to the tournament organizers. This is by far the best tournament I've ever watched with many great features. Map veto, statistics during the game etc, all great additions for the viewers.

Keep it up!
2013-10-27 22:57:33
Don't forget steel for the great job on in game camera control ;)
2013-10-28 05:05:28
ScreaM has such an amazing aim, and he have really been improving on all the other things that he was "bad" on before. shox, a very complete player, also nbk. nbk MVP of the tournament imo. GG :)
2013-10-27 22:57:46
I'd say shox or smithzz. Smithzz really stepped it up this tournament.
2013-10-29 11:19:53
Regnam vg will lose DH
2013-10-27 22:58:42
Brazilian crying lady :P
2013-10-28 05:06:12
Carlos Uneducardo.
2013-10-28 14:27:59
by: 54B
#68
gj VG rly great play
2013-10-27 22:58:43
epic match 2 best teams fighting
f0rest vs scream really great performance

Post edited 2013-10-27 22:59:12
2013-10-27 22:58:46
Get_SadFace
2013-10-27 22:59:01
I like to see how that "movement" change has affected to VG.
No more ADADAD from GTR and Xizt and here you go - VG>NiP.

I'm wondering: what will happen when movement finally become fixed at all?

Post edited 2013-10-27 23:02:23
2013-10-27 22:59:16
And this guys.. russians always make you laugh! xD
2013-10-27 23:02:18
Explain yourself.
2013-10-27 23:03:02
hahhahahahahahahah
2013-10-27 23:36:38
GIFF ME MANA!
2013-10-28 05:07:06
Gratz to VG and the rest of the teams for giving us some amazing games. Can't wait for DreamHack...
2013-10-27 22:59:19
i like scream's shirt xD
2013-10-27 23:00:17
hah NBK's shirt everytime
2013-10-27 23:00:51
WHAT UP NOW..... oooohh
2013-10-27 23:01:01
congrats VG
2013-10-27 23:02:43
VGGGGGGG
2013-10-27 23:02:45
awesome job VG!!! top1 without a doubt now
2013-10-27 23:03:34
gratz!
2013-10-27 23:03:45
It's such a pleasure to watch such a professional and well organized event.
Congratulations to VERYGAMES. It's really so deserved. Their had work finally paid off.
MVP: Ex6TenZ.
2013-10-27 23:03:48
Really good tournament but no the best (DH THE BEAST)
2013-10-27 23:03:55
Brazilian crying lady :P
2013-10-28 05:08:09
Carlos Uneducardo.
2013-10-28 14:28:22
XD
2013-10-28 17:43:16
Everyone should be happy now! Atleast the NiP dominance is over!

Dreamhack gonna be fun
2013-10-27 23:03:58
"Atleast the NiP dominance is over!"

Old news imho.
2013-10-27 23:21:35
Nip not in their best form
2013-10-27 23:04:15
Curiously they never seem to be on their best form when they lose a tournament ?! There must be some kind of explanation surely ?

They were just not the best team in this tournament, that's it.

Post edited 2013-10-27 23:23:17
2013-10-27 23:22:42
I have to say I think they are on the same level, both teams could annihilate the other on almost every map, and vice versa. If you ask me it comes down to if the "star players" step up or not. If Shox and/or ScreaM is on a roll, they're almost unstoppable, and the same thing goes for GeT_RiGht and f0rest.

Anyhow, great play by both teams, could've gone either way! Looking forward to Dreamhack Winter!
2013-10-27 23:04:27
Why people always forget about NBK? He is AS GOOD as shox and scream. And he is always consistent on lan over all VG players.
2013-10-27 23:08:36
I'm really not, but due to the fact he's that consistent it becomes more obvious that ScreaM and/or Shox has to step up to make those kind of big plays you need to do to defeat NiP.
2013-10-27 23:12:05
Indeed. It's kinda sad people always forget Nathan's contributions. :x

Maybe he should bait more to up his K/D ratio and stop clutching/opening rounds so much. XD
2013-10-27 23:13:10
Well, he is the support player. :x Always the support players laying the ground for the aimers(shox/scream). It is like in league of Legends, if u play that. Always the support helping. :D

Post edited 2013-10-29 11:28:04
2013-10-29 11:22:42
Great tournament, WP VG gratz!
2013-10-27 23:04:34
gj wp
2013-10-27 23:04:39
GG VG :D
2013-10-27 23:04:44
give me tha stats!
2013-10-27 23:05:16
Nip still numero 1
2013-10-27 23:06:28
scream 79% this match
2013-10-27 23:06:29
NICE VeryGames
2013-10-27 23:06:52
gg more EMS plox..this tournament is Epic
2013-10-27 23:07:32
very enjoyable game
2013-10-27 23:08:07
Since shoxie joined VG have won 3/4 tournaments against NiP. EMS one summer(NiP didnt make it to the Grand final), SLTV Starseries and now EMS one fall.

VG>world

Post edited 2013-10-27 23:08:43
2013-10-27 23:08:27
good philosophy fucker... you are as retard as your comment
2013-10-27 23:12:10
Not a philosophy, simply some statistics. Get your head out of your ass.
2013-10-27 23:19:35
hahaha the real stats are here kiddo http://www.hltv.org/?pageid=181&gameid=2 where r u looking?? the stats you are looking is for 2 or 3 match but this the real one
2013-10-27 23:33:43
So fucking retarded its unreal.
2013-10-27 23:39:08
go home your drunk... thank you come again
2013-10-28 00:02:54
fanboy spotted
2013-10-28 00:44:04
Fucking hell... i didn't expect this level of stupidity...
2013-10-28 18:01:38
gg wp! The better team won!
2013-10-27 23:09:32
smithZz and ex6TenZ has been fragging lately which makes VG so strong
2013-10-27 23:09:37
VG best
2013-10-27 23:13:02
vg strong
2013-10-27 23:13:02
Did GR cry this time ?
2013-10-27 23:13:25
next tournament ?
2013-10-27 23:15:33
eswc next week afaik
2013-10-27 23:17:38
ESWC in a week or so I think.
2013-10-27 23:17:48
VG extreme
2013-10-27 23:17:22
Like I said: NiP missed the right moment to "fix" their lineup. Gonna make them lose 100k.
2013-10-27 23:17:58
It's all or nothing with their current lineup. They're too far in to change it, it just doesn't work like that. You can't just kick fif and put in a new member that might be better individually.
2013-10-28 00:08:45
Haha
2013-10-28 02:33:18
Also, the organization was so good. I really enjoy how they handled the show part. Didn't even feel any delays, even though there probably were some. Oh, and the teamspeak streams... Watched the last 2 games mostly through the POV streams even though i speak neither french nor swedish.

Post edited 2013-10-27 23:21:56
2013-10-27 23:19:16
-1
2013-10-27 23:19:40
NBK was huge on whole tournament
2013-10-27 23:20:53
by: MAKKU - HLTV.org
#146
he was even beast with his commentary
2013-10-27 23:23:24
WOWWWW
2013-10-27 23:24:11
WOAHHH WOAHHH WOAHHH
2013-10-28 04:38:16
I'm so pissed to have missed NBK's commentary, I hope he'll cast other games in the future.
2013-10-28 08:51:31
probs one of the best to breakdown what is going on ingame. That is why i love experts commentate.
2013-10-29 11:59:04
One thing I have to mention here is that the tournament was amazingly organized. There was no delay no internet problems or whatsoever. GJ guys
2013-10-27 23:24:23
vg is a good team but they never play train vs. nip if they really are top1 should be the best in all the classic maps
2013-10-27 23:25:35
they can be like navi and just ban out train every bo3
2013-10-27 23:32:06
Brazilian STUPID crying lady!
2013-10-28 05:29:36
So what ? There are always maps that you don't want to play against certain teams. That's called strategy, and knowing your opponents well is part of the success.
2013-10-28 08:53:36
Carlos Uneducardo.
2013-10-28 14:29:07
Great games, great tournament, great organization
Thank you to all who made this possible

Post edited 2013-10-27 23:26:46
2013-10-27 23:26:29
ur welcome
2013-10-27 23:28:57
Great team winning great event. Has been nice to follow this weekend :)
2013-10-27 23:26:30
Fiffy needs MODDII's gear
2013-10-27 23:29:03
+1
2013-10-28 00:11:07
88% HSP for scream on inferno

thats insane
2013-10-27 23:30:30
Nip should have cut those shit saucers months ago
2013-10-27 23:30:51
and picked up vg's saucers instead?
2013-10-27 23:38:39
jesus christ, friberg did what he do best - entry frag, and he did it like a boss.
Fifflaren actually played very well this event.

Please cut your fucking crap.
2013-10-27 23:43:16
<3 hate on them noobs. :D
2013-10-29 12:00:13
Get VG saucers players!
2013-10-28 05:30:31
Oh, you mean when they were on a 87 winning streak on LAN ? Sure, that would have been the best possible choice.
2013-10-28 08:55:23
funny when the best team in the world right now are all saucers, deal with it:)
2013-10-28 10:47:58
nbk MVP
2013-10-27 23:35:24
Amazing event, very, very good job ESL!
2013-10-27 23:35:40
ScreaM HS% ?
2013-10-27 23:37:40
88 on cache
66 on nuke
70 on inferno
2013-10-27 23:40:55
Where the hell are the stats?
2013-10-27 23:39:39
Now its on. ;)
2013-10-27 23:40:24
vg without scream would top3 or 4
2013-10-27 23:40:58
Nip without forest would be top 100.
2013-10-27 23:45:42
Nah.
2013-10-27 23:49:21
top 150
2013-10-28 04:39:19
top 200
2013-10-28 05:31:06
Doubt they'd make top anything with only 4 players.
2013-10-28 00:09:33
Yup. "would".
2013-10-28 08:59:06
Carlos Uneducarto
2013-10-28 14:16:15
f0rest and GTR were at their best level today yet the didnt managed to win? Am I sensing an exchange of position?
2013-10-27 23:41:31
Stats?? :)

GG WP VG, Shoxie for president!
2013-10-27 23:41:51
gg wp
2013-10-27 23:46:17
as much as a hate to say it...
VG top 1 in current form, they're playing like absolute freaks atm
2013-10-27 23:50:26
What's wrong with saying a team is good ? I mean I don't have NiP in my heart, but I really like watching them play and when they are good I don't mind saying it.
2013-10-28 09:00:41
Hopefully this will only mean that NiP wanna train even harder and play even better !
Don't hope they make changes

Btw. I didn't watch the match, VOD?????
2013-10-27 23:54:46
http://www.twitch.tv/esltv_cs/b/474135440

http://www.twitch.tv/esltv_cs/b/474112139

also recommend you watch the navi games

Post edited 2013-10-28 00:28:01
2013-10-28 00:27:22
Ty mate :)
I've only missed the final so it's okay
2013-10-28 00:39:27
what an amazing event. already looking forward to the next one. the production behind this is exacly what csgo needs, mucho love <3
2013-10-27 23:59:13
nice stats :D:D
2013-10-28 00:01:32
Fifflaren - back to basics.
2013-10-28 00:02:06
fif bad luck
2013-10-28 00:03:21
fiff strikes again
2013-10-28 00:11:04
GJ fiffi.. only -21 !
2013-10-28 00:11:14
Robin 'Fifflaren' Johansson
34-55
-21
50.0
0.66


Said it before and I'll say it again. Fifflaren has to go.

I called this 6 months ago when NiP were unbeatable. They should've replaced him then and they never would have lost. Can't believe I'm saying this, but...

-fifflaren
+delpan
2013-10-28 00:11:52
even if he were to go, I wouldn't replace him with delpan.
2013-10-28 03:15:12
I honestly hate Delpan but I think his style fits cs:go pretty well. And he's played with GTR 'n f0rest before.
2013-10-28 06:39:14
yeah fair enough but, CSGO does not require an awp as much as 1.6 or CSS. + f0rest is perfectly capable of awping if not better than delp imo in CSGO at least. I'd replace him with another rifler/support player. with this said though, I still wouldn't replace fifflaren. granted he didn't play great in the final, far from it but him and friberg were the stand out players all the way to the final.

Sometimes you just don't turn up, it happens to all players. look at scream at ESWC. and it happened to so many players in the 1.6 days in the top teams but I never saw comments like the one made. It's literally just because he's a "saucer". Not saying that's your reason for believing he needs to be dropped just that it seems to be massive reason as to why he gets so much flame.

ps not trying to flame you, you're entitled to your opinion :D just trying to spark some debate.
2013-11-04 13:28:50
"13-10 in favour of VG it was pure madness: it looked like the French side had the round lost after a failed entry into the b site, but then Adil "ScreaM" Benrlitom pulled off three headshots out of nowhere to keep the team’s hopes alives. Dubourdeaux won the 1-on-1 against Adam "friberg" Friberg to put VG just two rounds away from victory."

it was Papillon and it was 1-on-2 actually..

Post edited 2013-10-28 00:14:34
2013-10-28 00:14:24
1on3 actually!
2013-10-28 00:58:33
? scream takes out 3... 2 remaining. cant be 1on3

Post edited 2013-10-28 01:26:15
2013-10-28 01:25:43
oops, sorry, i was thinking of that inferno clutch for some reason lol

Post edited 2013-10-28 01:29:34
2013-10-28 01:28:01
will they kick fifflaren this time? what else he must do to get kicked? always doing -30 against top teams... ffs


playing with 4 guys everygame must be hard..
2013-10-28 00:14:38
At the end redeye said this was the last ems of the year but wasn't there 4 finals announced for 2013?
2013-10-28 00:15:19
Fifflaren needs to step up. If something like this happens at Dreamhack (NiP losing in a somewhat close BO3 with everyone with regular or good stats except him with terrible stats) he will be most likely out. You don't have to be the star or at top of the scoreboard, but had he played cache on a regular level they would've won. Moreover, he was barely noticeable on de_inferno.
2013-10-28 00:15:53
He carried NiP against mouz though. 30-9.

He just needs MODDII's gear, he started being bad again when he stopped using the gear he borrowed from MODDII :D
2013-10-28 00:30:59
Not taking anything away from him but you can't compare mouz to VG. Don't gent me wrong, I don't think Fifflaren is terrible, that's why he can perform good/great against some teams. But he hasn't been performing like a top 3 team player lately. I mean, he can do great against mouz, but when he has to face the likes of shox, NBK, ScreaM (great players) he can't do much. He loses most of the 1 vs 1 aim situations because they are far better. That's why he struggles in big games (against big opponents which all seem to have better aim/skill).
2013-10-28 00:50:21
Well, he is one old guy. Soon 27. The reactions are getting slower by his age. :P

Anyways, as I said previosuly furhter up in the comments, Fiff has stated that he may not be around for too long and may retire at some point, when he is 27. He will not seek to be part of eSports afterwards.
2013-10-29 12:06:29
ex6tenz doesn't even do that bad and he is igl.
2013-10-28 00:19:48
Just wait for DH winter ;)
2013-10-28 00:31:49
well deserved, VG is the best team right now.

gz!
2013-10-28 00:35:10
Had someone from NiP done 1 kill more on de_cache, the result would have been another...
2013-10-28 00:37:41
- fiff
+ olofm
2013-10-28 00:55:53
friberg and fiff need to stop consistently bottom fragging

isnt xizt calling strats too lol.

go get delpan plz
2013-10-28 00:57:58
Stats isnt everything. Friberg always make the most important frags.

Post edited 2013-10-28 01:09:39
2013-10-28 01:09:00
actually xizt was the worst player from nip,your point is
2013-10-28 02:00:33
WTF so much to say

1. 45.000+ viewers
2. great prize for "minor" LAN (35.000)
3. NiP dethroned
4. Joe Miller, Anders , NBK , Pansy & especially ReDeYe was AWESOME.
5. as a saucer (VG) fan im not sure if VG is #1.
* NiP Lost 2 EMS Finals, SLTV , they'll not attend to ESEA and MSI Beat It. if VG won ESWC, for me they will be TOP1 CSGO team. (OK OK its DHW, but too many looses in a row for NiP)
6. csgo is growing!
7. Actually 4 teams on their best can be top1. (Astana Dragons, NiP , Verygames , CPH Wolves)
*following teams like coL,US,iBUYPOWER,Fnatic,SK.Gaming,NaVi etc etc


EDIT: Great job, Great tournament , Great matches

Post edited 2013-10-28 01:12:41
2013-10-28 01:10:30
CPH kick friss or never win VG or NiP :D
2013-10-28 14:06:39
device or coloN for Friis sounds really awesome! its my 2nd favourite team!
2013-10-28 15:52:38
Sadly, friis is unstable... But hwne he steps up, you can not deny, that he is a monster...
2013-10-29 12:08:36
Fifflaren is just low, and ex6tenz has been stepping up quite well, imo the skillwise difference between VGand NiP is really high, since all VG players are performing good and nip plays mostly with 3, because i dont think friber and fifflaren can play at this level when the teams are getting closer.
2013-10-28 01:16:27
nice :)
2013-10-28 01:21:36
so proud of VG right now gj
2013-10-28 01:30:15
I really think EMS did a great event, almost no delays, very nice casting and the small i-views with wining team after, plus the analyzing after each map with stats etc etc.

And super well played by VG and congratz :P

NiP should really get a great awp player instead of letting f0rest using it, not that he is bad with it, but rather want to see him as an rifler :P

Edit: Oh yeah and i think US was playing really good aswell, seems like TaZ is much more happy and same with neo. They just gotta keep pracc'ing.

Post edited 2013-10-28 01:32:56
2013-10-28 01:30:34
by: jlp
#244
-21 rofl
2013-10-28 01:40:33
anyway hope nip has enjoyed to be there, and congrats for vg really :)
2013-10-28 01:46:08
one of the best tournaments that i've experienced. Way to go ESL, AWWWWWWESOME work with the casting.
2013-10-28 01:53:15
US & CW DHW spot! nice!
2013-10-28 01:56:48
All of VG played like Bosses and loved pros do.

-Smithzz da Baus
-Ex6tenz das Baus
-Shox da Baus
-NBK da Baus
-Scream da Baus



and the nip boys also ofcourse, but don't be mad that i grant a hard working team like saucebaus power VG those earned wins.

we all like NIP, but nip have won everything you can over a year, so such a change in the scene is just welcome.

if i wanna know a resultoutcome before i watch the sports i just can watch klitschko fights you know but esports have to stay exciting.

Post edited 2013-10-28 02:21:54
2013-10-28 02:20:15
i don't really know why everyone reacts this way. VG won 1 more round than NiP in total. to me both teams are just equal. nip destroyed vg on de_nuke, vg destroyed nip on de_inferno and cache was pretty much equal. it is logical for nip to lose momentum and motivation. It used to happen for 12 years before cs:go, teams rise and fall, and it is happening right now. NiP total domination is over. And thats good because the game became more interesting right now that we have 3 very strong teams (astana dragons, nip and verygames) and also Copenhagen Wolves that showed great potential today. and also up and coming teams like US, SK, fnatic, coL and others. good game by VG but there's nothing more to analyze about this game

Post edited 2013-10-28 02:39:24
2013-10-28 02:38:23
obviously most of you saying this are trolls but whatever.

stop saying -fiff. Granted he did not play well in the finals but he and friberg all the way until then were the best 2 players in the team.
2013-10-28 03:09:45
Vg top1
2013-10-28 03:26:42
Ya know, has HLTV.org ever considered doing recap videos the way SKY sports or ESPN recaps games? As much as I enjoy reading the match's summary, it's just hard to visualize the match (for me at least...)
2013-10-28 03:55:27
holy shit +1
2013-10-28 05:09:15
+1 would be pretty sick
2013-10-28 05:16:38
I support this idea.
2013-10-28 09:18:03
+1 video recaps of important games would be effin awesome
2013-10-28 09:59:54
Well I'm saying of any tournament/league/match that they want to write a 10 paragraph recap about. If they enjoy writing these, more power to them, but I wanna see the action, it's hard for me to get excited over reading match highlights.
2013-10-28 19:10:20
that was a really good match.
VG look so strong.
2013-10-28 04:38:43
scream/shoxie/Nbk > get_right & f0rest

if nip wants to Win, Friberg & Fifflaren & Xizt need to Step up Huge. VG is just simply on another level, and They also won both Pistolrounds on Inferno which made them win
2013-10-28 04:44:31
no, they didnt. they came back from a 0-3 at CT side
2013-10-28 04:47:47
you dont know what u talking about. Xizt did very well, even better then f0rest. Its just that VG is so fking good atm.
2013-10-28 15:14:22
it took VG stealing 2 best players from 2 teams to beat nip. unfortunately in sweden there are just not enough talented players outside of nip like scream and shox.
2013-10-28 05:28:42
LOL?

sk n! LGB fnatic ?
2013-10-28 06:23:16
They suck.
2013-10-28 07:20:00
Dat troll man, so hairy.

They didn't steal anyone, Shoxie wasn't in any team, and it was ScreaM's own decision, which was the best thing that could happen to him given his experience at the time. He has grown so much in VG, and I think he has still unveiled potential left.

Sweden has more talented players in CS than any other country. Your excuse is the worse you could have come up with.
2013-10-28 09:26:57
Just kick fifflaren already...
2013-10-28 05:59:04
Just remove your fake flag..
2013-10-28 12:15:40
boring cs , always vg vg vg . who watches vg matches anymore? only vg fanboys, not true cs fans.
2013-10-28 06:09:40
always vg? It was over a year NiP nip nip nip
2013-10-28 09:58:55
did you even pay any attention? nip has been dominating the scene for over a year now. theres a change of reign right now. vg just started to really prove themself since sltv 7 this month.
2013-10-28 10:09:45
great game by VeryGames

NiP domination is over

Mighty performance by ScreaM and NBK

friberg and Fifflaren needs to step up


GG-
2013-10-28 06:28:41
RC EMS One Finals was one of the best streams i ever seen.Gratz and i hope for more that professional events.
2013-10-28 07:11:06
now dreamhack will be more interesting

Post edited 2013-10-28 07:14:07
2013-10-28 07:13:58
VG played just great.
2013-10-28 07:16:50
Fiffy -21
You can't win final with 4 players anymore

Post edited 2013-10-28 08:03:25
2013-10-28 08:02:48
good job VeryGames
2013-10-28 08:41:39
Nice match! :)
2013-10-28 08:47:45
by: nQj
#318
vg luckers
2013-10-28 08:48:48
NiP vs VG are such fun games to watch, it feels like it can be anyones game.

This final could of ended 2 - 0 to NiP or like it did now 2 - 1 to VG, real fun to watch and great event by ESL
2013-10-28 09:17:30
VG n1!
2013-10-28 09:18:28
wp vg
2013-10-28 09:23:31
It was really fun to listen to NiP's POV. I don't understand Swedish but gtr contributes so much into communication. Wish I knew Swedish. As for VG their A setup on inferno is unbelivable. Nbk won rounds in pit by himself
2013-10-28 09:29:03
Time go to school :) Is there schools where they learn swedish like in Finland?
2013-10-28 12:13:13
Would definitely be nice to have more teams that spoke german/english so that I could understand the comms! It was great having the POV steams with the team communications.
2013-10-28 18:29:50
Back in the days -1.6- I used to watch American teams' POV's so as to get info from them. It is really helpful to improve one's ingame knowledge.
2013-10-28 18:36:21
wp frenchy
2013-10-28 09:50:21
i hope nip start realise that they cant win event with 4 players!
2013-10-28 09:53:46
they dont play with 4 they play with 5
2013-10-28 10:18:50
no shit
2013-10-28 13:30:21
Scream - Forest
NBK - GTR
Exist - Xzist
Smithz - Fifflaren
Shox - Friberg

Which of these are the biggest mismatch?
2013-10-28 09:54:01
shox-friberg ofc
2013-10-28 09:58:15
Smithz - Fifflaren and Shox - Friberg. I would say forest, get_right, xizt and friberg match scream, nbk, shox and exist as a whole. The thing is fifllaren doesn't match smithz.
2013-10-28 15:58:14
I would have to disagree after Fifflarens performance on the whole at this event! But each to their own =)
2013-10-28 18:27:54
Well done VG! They truly deserved this win after all the shitstorm they've got from the community for no reason.
2013-10-28 10:11:20
They almost lost inferno vs US and they easy win vs NiP? Interesting maybe US can do really dmg to this top2 if they will keep going this way. Ofc. im not talking about taz behavior just way of play

Post edited 2013-10-28 10:37:14
2013-10-28 10:35:56
VERYGAMES THE WORLD CHAMPS!
2013-10-28 10:37:25
de_cache
This is not funny.
2013-10-28 10:41:15
whats wrong with cache? its a good map
2013-10-28 10:47:43
team finally catch up to nip, maybe its worth watching now.
2013-10-28 10:49:00
NBK and shoxie MVP nuff said, Stop hating on fifflaren he played well at this event, and everyone on the NiP team got outshot by VG if you saw the inferno game, NiP got raped, couldnt get a single entryfrag.

2013-10-28 10:54:13
NiP did 1 less round than VG in the grand final. Noone raped anyone, it was a pure even match that could go either way.
2013-10-29 02:44:59
by: NDM
#351
anytime NiP loose soucers have negative K/D weirD? :D
2013-10-28 10:54:41
So? All of the VG players are saucers, and they rape all of ur 1.6 "stars" so whats ur point?:)
2013-10-28 14:58:31
Don't exaggerate. They don't "rape" the 1.6 stars. Shox/Scream/NBK are equally as good as get_right and f0rest.
2013-10-28 16:07:35
they will only get better, nbk isn't even playing at half of his best css year.
2013-10-28 19:00:07
hehe, im just joking around:) But its fun to see VG do well after all the adversity they have been through.
2013-10-28 22:31:41
niceeeeeee !! wp vg ! top 1 !
2013-10-28 11:03:05
Finals were great from a spectators point of view. Great matches and ALMOST NO DELAYS. Organizers did a great job!
2013-10-28 11:05:21
saucers <333333
2013-10-28 12:14:08
-fofflaren
-firburger

+SpowN
+HidN


just kidding :D NiP is strong, but at this moment VG is stronger, deal with it
2013-10-28 12:26:11
Awsome tournament. The only thing that i didn't like was the quality of the stream. I'm having like 50 in, and 30 out and it still lagged at medium...

GG VeryGames. I'm a onepointsixer, but the CT play by VG is off the charts.
2013-10-28 12:26:26
twitch is always laggy
2013-10-28 14:52:33
Yup, the European servers are absolutely horrible. Crossing fingers that it'll be fixed for DH.
2013-10-28 18:07:23
I wondering if it will be possible to have streams that use youtube like the LOL international. As it seemed far superior, at least for my internet and location!

Post edited 2013-10-28 18:25:08
2013-10-28 18:24:56
twitch got no competitors after ownage went down. Hope you're right :-)
2013-10-28 18:57:24
gg VG !
2013-10-28 12:28:15
wtf scream 77% hs
2013-10-28 12:47:44
first map 66%, second map 88%, third 90%+ :)
2013-10-28 13:29:50
and still he wasnt the key part of VG,ironic
2013-10-28 14:48:18
he was
2013-10-28 14:50:31
damn, again
2013-10-28 13:52:16
So it begins...
2013-10-28 14:32:11
Good job, well done VeryGames! Keep at it.
2013-10-28 15:05:43
Kick Fifflaren ffs
2013-10-28 15:54:44
if they lose DHW, -fifflaren, i think

until then take it easy
2013-10-29 16:25:25
Saucers still too strong.
2013-10-28 15:56:26
by: zzt
#401
>> it looked like the French side had the round lost after a failed entry into the b site, but then Adil "ScreaM" Benrlitom pulled off three headshots out of nowhere to keep the team’s hopes alives. Dubourdeaux won the 1-on-1 against Adam "friberg" Friberg to put VG just two rounds away from victory.

pretty sure it was A site, and shoxie won 1-on-1 against friberg
2013-10-28 16:13:39
-21
2013-10-28 16:37:49
Nice guys :)
2013-10-28 17:25:06
NOOBZORIS I TOLD YOU.

what can u expect ;)
2013-10-28 19:00:36
Let's see what will happen at ESWC this week. If NiP wins ESWC, everything is "normal" again.

Well played VG at EMS! :)

2013-10-28 19:24:10
VG will smash everyone in 2014 and take all tournaments, ScreaM is so fuki. overpowered curently best player in GO and his HS Rate is unbelievable SAUCERS PWNZ _/

Post edited 2013-10-28 19:30:54
2013-10-28 19:25:18
scream?have you watched the tournament?it was all smithz and nbk and maybe shoxie
2013-10-29 01:09:22
Nice adil
2013-10-28 21:08:21
unexpected
2013-10-28 21:58:24
totally
2013-10-29 15:38:02
Verygames such beasts!
2013-10-28 22:46:00
The main problem for NiP is not especially Fifflaren as a player,the problem for NiP is that:
Because Fifflaren sucks with awp,f0rest need to play on some maps with the awp(not that he is not good with the awp,tbh he is pretty damn amaizing with the awp too,maybe top10 awp) , but f0rest is much better with the riflers.
In my opinion NiP really need a stable awp player to let f0rest to make his job and for this is only one option: kick the weakest player and add a strong awp,so > -fifflaren +Delpan.
2013-10-30 01:43:10

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