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Fnatic have been crowned the Dreamhack Winter 2013 champions after winning against Ninjas in Pyjamas in a best of three (16-14 de_dust2, 6-16 de_inferno, 16-2 de_train)
With the grand final of the biggest Counter Strike tournament to date kicking off, most viewers anticipated an easy win for the defending champions.
Last time these two teams met was at Dreamhack Bucharest two months ago in the group stages and fnatic were the team who came out on top.
In the meantime they swapped Andreas "MODDII" Fridh with Markus "pronax" Wallsten who stepped in a role of their in-game leader. The team describe how satisfied they are with the new lead and that was heavily displayed in the current tournament.
Wallsten led his towards winning the pistol round in the grand finals but it didn't take too long for NiP Gaming to reply with a powerfull eco to level the score.
That launched to a three to one lead but Christopher "GeT_RiGhT" Alesund starred in the following rounds to make it 5-1 before fnatic managed to stopped their momentum.
Both teams looked determined to win that $100,000 check but it was NiP who seemed to be getting the upper edge in the battle.
Spectator area at the Dreamhack Arena was divided as both of the teams were playing on their home soil.
Fnatic were mostly trying to save the money in order to deliver an AWP into the hands of Jesper "jw" Wecksell in order to provide opening picks for his team, something that he is widely known for being capable of.
Alesund's team didn't make that task for them really easy as they kept securing round after round with the score climbing to 10-3 overall.
Next round followed another eco for the shaken up fnatic side where both Alesund and his teammate Patrik "f0rest" Lindberg played it really carefully and got two frags each as we moved to the final round of the first half.
AWP in Wecksell's hand didn't surprise Ninjas in Pyjamas since he got only one frag before being taken down by the ak47 of Adam "friberg" Friberg which led to a bomb plant on A bombsite, which turned out to be a very hard task for fnatic to retake.
Once again it was Wallsten's team who won the pistol round but this time around they didn't let their competitors surprise them again and eventually they managed to come few steps closer.
The following round brought us a smart fake from Markus "pronax" Wallsten who simply tried to trick his opponents to rotate towards A bombsite while his teammates were set for a B push afterwards.
Instead of that, he picked three frags while faking the site before being taken out but that was another round on board for fnatic.
Round number 23 brought us a push towards middle where the fnatic side got a pick on Lindberg but NiP's captain Richard "Xizt" Landstrom turned it around with two frags before he was taken down.
Two fnatic players came into B bombsite and get the bomb down, while NiP made a communication misunderstanding, not having a coherent retake so they were killed quite easily by Jonatan "Devilwalk" Lundberg.
They managed to even the game with thirteen rounds each as Ninjas in Pyjamas went for a risky buy which didn't turn out to be a good decision for them and fnatic were in the lead for the first time after the initial pistol round.
What they failed to do in that round, paid off in the following as they went for another weak buy with FAMASes and MAG-7, but this time with a way more offensive setup.
Final two rounds went to fnatic as they secure the map with 16-14 to shock everyone in the room, making one of the best comebacks in the tournament.
The Ninjas got the upper hand on de_inferno, with some great teamplay helping them get a five to nothing lead as terrorists.
That made Jesper "jw" Wecksell completely angry as he made three entry kills to finally clinch the first round for his squad.
Both of the teams had a significant help from their managers in the shape of Patrik "cArn" Sättermon and Emil "HeatoN" Christensen who were supporting them with emotional reactions in-between rounds.
Fnatic picked the game up a bit, but just when they hit the turnpoint with the bomb down on A site with a two versus one, Friberg was the one clutching the round and that was the sign of things to come.
First half ended up with 11-4 and they did really well in the pistol as they got the round down, but Andreas "schneider" Lindberg got a ninja defuse with Robin "Fifflaren" Johansson but once again.
MSI BeatIt! runners-up lost against an eco once again and they couldn't do anything by the end of de_inferno which went in favour of NiP Gaming.
Final map, determining on who will win $100,000 was on de_train. Both teams played only one opponent on that map throughout the whole tournament. Ninjas in Pyjamas won 16-10 over Recursive while fnatic overcame their compatriots LGB eSports with 16-9.
Fnatic got the early lead on the map with a successfull retake on the inner bombsite while being on the statistically stronger Counter-Terrorist side.
The youngsters of Patrik "cArn" Sättermon were anticipating every NiP move and it has been working well for them, which meant they have prepared really strong coming into this map.
Another techical hiccup gave NiP a chance to cool down after a 0-5 deficit and it seemed they got the most of it, picking their first round of the map.
Their momentum didn't last for too long as fnatic kept on winning round after round to make the score 11-1 until it was once again Alesund making a one versus three clutch to win the round.
After a 13-2 half time score, 146,000 ecstatic viewers on both twitch.tv and GOTV were waiting for the second pistol round to pan out and it was Wecksell once again a star with three kills to lead his team two rounds away from the victory.
Fnatic simply weren't ready to give a happy ending to NiP's TV6 documentary and they have jumped from their seats to celebrate their DreamHack Winter 2013 victory.
DreamHack Winter final standings:
1. fnatic - $100,000
2. Ninjas in Pyjamas - $50,000
3-4. Team VeryGamess - $22,000
3-4. compLexity - $22,000
5-8. Recursive - $10,000
5-8. LGB eSports - $10,000
5-8. Astana Dragons - $10,000
5-8. Copenhagen Wolves - $10,000
9-16. Natus Vincere - $2,000
9-16. Universal Soldiers - $2,000
9-16. Clan Mystik - $2,000
9-16. iBUYPOWER - $2,000
9-16. n!faculty - $2,000
9-16. SK Gaming - $2,000
9-16. xapso - $2,000
9-16. Reason Gaming - $2,000
DH - fnatic
Even NBK gave major props to the new IGL:
Also it was cool to see Carn coaching behind his boys and showing off that MSI laptop as free advertising to 100,000 people at the same time.
Congratulations to Fnatic.
still 2nd place isnt bad
fnatic better this time
deserved to be best in this tourn.
NiP never win any tournament versus really stronG enemy like VG, fnatic, if they play only in individual skills ever since :(
too much fails and misses in team at this moment
I did not see the final games but i can't say fnatic got a better tactics than NiP. Like i said, if the finals was VG vs fnatic, i dont think fnatic can win the event. If you'll play against NiP, just out aimed them then you will win like fnatics have done. But if NiP will be more tactical wiser next event, then that would be a better NiP soon ;)
"If you'll play against NiP, just out aimed them then you will win like fnatics have done"
As i see - fnatic win, because they got 3 things
1) got tactical component, got own game and proceed at this direction
Remove MODDII from squad for pronaX - good decision for all team.
Nip at this direction was be not so serious and dangerous.
2) They know, how to beat nip at this tournament:
Watch their games, have drawn conclusion, and they know, what
NiP, as many other team in tourney, got some features(like forest's pistol, sniper-support by fifl and other) and used contered thing against this,
like CoL disabled JW at inferno(always flashed, smoke, smoke :D)
3)they find game key to nip, anti-tactics, as doing VG at their time :)
game key at nip, this time, was a very simple thing - secure game, wait for mistakes from enemy and use it againts them.
As i said - nip got too much fails and mistakes and result of all this - loss in biggest GlOffensive tournament in history.
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About roster changes: thats BS. Look at the frag list above, Fifflaren is in the bottom. But by how much? 12 kills more for the top fragger Friberg. But he is also an entry fragger, he naturally gets more kills. So the difference is too small to start messing around.
So would you say fnatic are the best in the world then?
I'd say NiP are, because before this, VG was the team that was stopping them from becoming the best in the world again, now that barrier is broken, what teams can regularly defeat NiP now?
Perhaps someone from SK though, after their fail?
That would be more like it :)
Delpan would be sick!
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besides, forest, gtr and xizt have already played with delpan, so if anyone is going to nip it's him
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im talking about NiP and NiP fans, as they propable said, "well we won verygames, 1st place is ours" :P
Fnatic > NiP > coL > VG > Fnatic
We will never know nor we must think logical that VG would have lost against fnatic.
from now on i'm doing the opposite of what lurppis predicts
Post edited 2013-12-01 01:48:17
As for fnatic, chemistry is a big issue in CS. Before they came to DH, no one can predict pronax can blend well into the team this fast. (more importantly because he's an IGL, would be hard to play a different style, limited time to practice tactics, list could go on.)
Well I curiously looked for NaVi recent matches before DH. It's not as bad as what you told. Well they lost some but mostly win tho.
Objectively, out of 4 teams its really a tough choice to put 2 names to came out from this group. They could beat each other when they are in top forms. Its a fact that fnatic was playing at their best ever.
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He went from being ditched by pyth in n!faculty to winning DHW with fnatic, talk about the ultimate CS success story
extremely good plays by him and he is definitely the reason fnatic won IMO
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the karrigan-transfer didnt made sense and even the epsilon + moddi (with moddii as a IGL) didnt made sense .__.
sad that nico + gla1ve weren't able to join back in the days, could've worked out but nevertheless: pronax seems to be really competent
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(im a nip fan and i admit that)
(I'm not telling he cheated, just telling he could...)
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By the way, If you gonna live with that opinion about people that have a lot of reputation you might be surprised one day...
Messi have a lot of reputation and he is in court for tax fraud (just an example)
I bet moddii is crying on the corner now.
Gratz Fnatic, well played this tournament.
Flusha, Schneider & JW were madfraggers, Devilwalk good supportplayer and Pronax made his mark with his tactics, and only been so short in the team.
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But GG fnatic, gg.
Basically what I am saying is that while NiP deserved to win against VG by all means and fnatic more than deserved to get the title, it had a lot to do with the fact that VG didn't bring their A-game for some reason.
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It's cool that more teams can compete to win tournaments, more rivalry it's good!
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And the rest of the team underperfoming like never before, except for Friberg.
but nip also proved that they are still strong
Fifflarens awping on Dust 2 made me cry.... Horrible played by him!
NIP cant win everything and thank god for that, hehe....
But imo is still NIP a solid nr.1, It cant be decided from one match.... NIP's record is still the best out there.
of course with support of
JW da King
Devilwalk da pants down
Flusha & schneider
next news NIP change their lineup :D
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Also when he hands Devilwalk water, You see him suddenly turning around to get it after he said something.. No way Devilwalk could have heard that with those Noisereduction thingys on his head...
oh and I got a drop
Carn was just making them aware of what nip might would do, what strat nip might have called, what things does fnatic to be aware of, etc.
i don't know that his mic was off or on, but he definitely was talking to pronax during the end of the round.
They felt #1 in their pockets after edging VG, they were overconfident and it got back at their faces. They could have easily won skillwise if they were to play with a little more brain.
Losing the last match of the grand final 16-2 it's just ridiculus, and casters even saying "This is good CS action" !! Really?! 16-2 domination is "good CS" to you? That's strange cause i thought a match that ends something like 16-14 it's GOOD CS...
Post edited 2013-12-01 01:57:23
told you =D
gj, GRATS, n1................
But I'm also happy for fnatic. Well played boys! :)
we saw the same shit in 1.6 all the time
NiP dominated for over a year and won pretty much everything there was to win, while VG was second almost every time. Now, there are more than 10 good players in CSGO so its only natural some other teams will catch up in time but still we've seen the past three tournaments (ESWC, MSI Beat it and DHW) there has always been one of the two "best teams" in the finals. ESWC was VG v Mystik (NiP was unlucky to meet VG in semis). MSI Beat it fnatic (winner of DHW) lost against VG in the final and here NiP (the best all time team) lost against fnatic on the final.
There has been so far NOTHING random about these results, if you look at any other game or sports there are bound to be many contenders for the final spot but in CSGO the competition has usually been only between maybe 2-3 teams in each tournament realistically - ofc there are some upsets here and there but thats just good for the competition and the scene as a whole.
You dont know who is gonna win the next tournament? Isn't that a good thing?
I can give you a hint that it will be either NiP, fnatic or VG quite certainly.
All I said is this : "cArn,why you need a laptop and headsets in their back?Only you know..."
If you can answer I will give you the credit.
PS:No one is allow to communicate with the five players during the game. (on teamspeak I mean,ofc)
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At the early stages of CS:Go Forest and Get_right and also Friberg to some extent
simply aimed better than most players of other teams. They were winning almost all critical 1v1 duells or 2v2 low health duells at the end of close rounds.
As most pro players now have more than 2000h of Trainig in CS:GO aim the gap is not existent anymore.
VG,Fnatic,Astana,CPHW,CM and even Complexity and some others have the aim to win these 1v1 or 2v2 close rounds now.
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Devilwalk showed his enormous balls :D
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I even think he called fairly good on inferno... on a lot the rounds they lost, they were simply up against a forest going 26-10 (or something like that).
Try and read again and make it out.
you try to find excuses why NiP lost! its anoying!
and btw i thought you was 22 but you dont know how ols are you! :S
the best you can do its to close this website and go play matchmake or go to sleep!
Hope to see you all at Dreamhack summer as well, if they want us back ;)
top group (can't name a clear number 1):
then really long nothing at all
and then the rest.
lets see which team steps up next.
IMO the top 3 teams are still AD, VG and NiP, because their results are constant, while other teams are up and coming (see Clan-Mystic and fnatic).
USA! USA! USA!
did you really think 1.6ers would let VG place in the top 2 in the biggest counter strike tournament to date?
they're lucky to be in the top 4
Had nip won d2, fnatic for sure picked train and win that map. 3rd map for sure is inferno, where nip prevails and win the series 2-1.
Gg wp NiP too.
1st, they are ALL FROM onepixelsix.
2nd, the guy you called a joke just got won the BIGGEST event and prize of the CS HISTORY.
3rd, his tactics bought fnatic team into a CHAMPTION KID!
2nd, those kinda tactics would not even win smaller tournaments
3rd, His tactics bought Fnatic team into champion, I agree. But Championship where is played game which have limited skilllevel.
"those kinda tactics would not even win smaller tournaments". So you will be a other kid that will say that fnatic just got lucky? Come on! Grow up kid!
"But Championship where is played game which have limited skilllevel." what? Sorry but i don't understand what are you saying except in "game which have limited skilllevel".
"..MOST RETARDED tactics in CS version.."
1point6 has most POWERFULL and STRONGEST tactics in all cs series.
But, maybe, i'm wrong with that... and, maybe, idk how much retarted tactics in 1pi6, but i will be right, if i say, that 1.6 has no more retarded tactics then in saus or any else cies version.
How many is this uses, and how usefull is this - i dont wanna told you.
And will repeat: tactics from 1.6 - 1 of the most powerfull thing at this moment in GlOffensive
PS fnatic wp
cant see anything in tactical side
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Its time to show the world the true number of CS players and not have the media and other gamers say we are only around 50,000 !
DH Winter Final : NiP vs fnatic (Ex-Epsilon, with pronax instead of cENTRYZ)
I dunno what carn and co have said to them the past few months but crickey it worked.
Or perhaps pronax is the element keeping his teammates on task and focused.
Anyway, amazing effort, pronax for MVP "Mr Intangibles" and carn for morpheus style coaching.
u know what... even though I still think AD HAD THAT LAST MAP WIN AGAINST coL, but just FAILEd big time and I do think if AD overpowered coL then they'd probly end up in finals and, therefore, possible won the 100k vs fnatic (if that was the case)... I have to admit I was at work and couldnt watch the grand final, but will absolutely watch VOds as I guess they deserved that win! That was a great comeback from what I so far read ppl were saying and that train score was absolutely insane and ya, I guess I have to say it winning both map 16:7 vs coL we NOW have to count as an achievemet considering the fact that coL beat AD 2:1 in maps, so ya... These DM's results were a little unexpected and hard to predict, not blaming lurppis on this one, even me (PRO) with 13 years CS experience (unfortunately) did not predict to go that far considering them "darkhorses", but whatever....
AD had to go further than coL obviously... coL is not the team AD should be losing to, but obviously IS a team AD should watch out for and never underestimate, but u cant blame the winner right? :) so hope to see good stufffrom coL in the future, please play european teams more if you want to achieve a lot and in tournaments and dont just go by how CA/US teams play on esea, cause that wont get you far...
and gl to AD as welll, I hope this will actually be a good boost to calm down and rethink some stuff and be maybe a little more carefull and concentrated in all the aspects of the game and obviously alsways prepare for each opponent as if it was grand final...
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f0rest and gtr pretty good,but not best (jw BEST!)
NIP ain't playing serious because DH winter is coming up, Saving strats.. Now it didn't work for them.. What are your excuses this time NIP fans?..
IT WAS.. IT WAS A CHRISMAS GIFT BY FOREST & GTR FOR CARN ??!?
this one fits better :>
You can win amazing prizes!!!
The answer is London.
Post edited 2013-12-01 11:03:05
and did you see any other statistics than finals (because I KNOW you didnt see matches but just stats if you say pronax must step it up)
here are the 2 detail pages on the maps against coL
I hope you get my point but if you don't, I'll try and elaborate on the ingame roles of players and the focus/sacrifice required by entry fraggers/IGLs
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also you must have seen then that he played great against coL and other teams.
and Im sure he will step it up with time, if these 5 stay together.
if you ever were IGL you know how much harder it is for you to focus on fragging in the beginning of a team, or after a player switch
I was so happy for fnatic, csgod bless them.
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he really is worth his weight in gold for fnatic.
fnatic were so much more composed than NiP
i saw one map train
he play completely a noob
a lot of his moments reminds my past:
teamates all die
no know what to do
make noob shoot try luck tell enmey where you are
watch time about to end
go out to die in bullet hell
these fucking things i all see from failarin
how nip kept that noob this long
besides gtr plays shit too
1on1 he play t wait 30s hold position squating dream fn player come to his as only left himself 15s for action fucking noob choise like old navi
bcuz they are more aimer than navi
navi ? no aim no team
navi team normaly no strat
wait for 1.5m left themself 30s for rush use aim
you outaim thenm you win
dont learn navi gtr they are noob
id rather see our china team play
at least they dont play lke a pusy
And Faillaren every fucking full-round by Nip try AWP!! And no hits one chicken!! No hits nothing!! And Die!! A lot of money for nothing!! He hits 1/10 shots.. Man is fucking crazy!! Nip saves awp for a blind/no reflex noob... With rifles he's a bot.. With awp he is nothing!!
For me GTR and Faillaren ruins nip at Dreamhack.