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ALSEN caught losing on purpose
Time: 2014-10-21 00:34
Game: Counter-Strike: Global Offensive

Polish team ALSEN were caught in the act of betting on their opponents in a match they eventually lost in ESL Pro Series Poland 9.

Many rumors circulated our site and other CS forums today suggesting that ALSEN will "throw" their EPS Poland Season 9 match against eliminacja by betting on their opponents at csgolounge.com, where the odds were 81%-19% in their favor (or 4.16 value for 1 invested on eliminacja).

Several of them claimed they had reliable sources, and surely enough after ALSEN ended up losing 10-16, csgolounge.com checked their players' bet records and found that the rumors were in fact true.

DiAMon and two of his teammates bet on their opponents today

Specifically, they provided proof to HLTV.org that players Michał "bCk" Lis and Jakub "kub" Pamuła bet on eliminacja from their own Steam accounts, and that team's captain Damian "DiAMon" Żarski did the same from several confirmed alternate accounts, despite placing a smaller bet on his team from his main account.

Following are links to screenshots made by csgolounge showing the link between players' accounts, their bets and winnings:

Damian "DiAMon" Żarski (Steam profile)
- alternate accounts used on csgolounge
- bet from 1st alternate account with over $600 worth of winnings
bet from 2nd alternate account
bet from 3rd alternate account with over $850 worth of wininngs, also showing a previous bet against ALSEN
- bet from 4th alternate account

Michał "bCk" Lis (Steam profile)
- bet from main account with over $300 worth of winnings

Jakub "kub" Pamuła (Steam profile)
- bet from main account with over $550 worth of winnings

This is all the evidence collected so far, and the total worth of the players' winnings exceeds $2,000.

It's worth noting that nothing has been found to implicate the other two ALSEN players from this match - Michał "michi" Majkowski and Mateusz "matty" Kołodziejczyk - or their 6th member Rafał "sany" Pietrzak.

However, there is proof that players from other teams in EPS Poland knew about the situation and didn't report it to the admins, but instead used it to their advantage to bet. Some of them are ESC's Karol "rallen" Rodowicz who put the maximum value and won over $1,000 worth of items, his teammate Mikołaj "mouz" Karolewski with this bet and Norbert "Norbiak" Bagiński from AMNESIA with another max bet from an alternate account.

csgolounge wanted to point out that "tournament admins and organizers, and [csgolounge] site admins did and will do everything to stop stuff like this".

EPS Poland organizers have not yet commented on the situation officially and are expected to do so tomorrow.

Stupid poles. They deserved that
2014-10-21 00:35:02
This is so embarrassing...

Post edited 2014-10-21 00:38:45
2014-10-21 00:35:07
Headline tomorrow on HLTV:
"We borrowed our acc's to friends and they placed the bet's
2014-10-21 01:00:25
2014-10-21 01:30:54
+1 XD
2014-10-21 01:36:57

"Man Blames Cat For Child Porn Downloads"

2014-10-21 02:12:14
People amaze me everyday!
2014-10-21 14:16:55
but what if it's true?

2014-10-21 04:28:30
2014-10-21 14:16:36
2014-10-21 00:35:58
This is why amateur teams shouldn't be added to CSGL so easily... it is just too easy for no-name teams to do this kind of thing.
2014-10-21 00:36:24
Guarantee these aren't even the only ones. This shit happens very often.

Post edited 2014-10-21 00:39:01
2014-10-21 00:38:40
idd.. C9/iBP no evidence but VP also.. (imo all)

so.. u realy think, this will work?
2014-10-21 00:44:24
If you think c9 has ever thrown a match you're clueless
2014-10-21 01:19:44
2014-10-21 01:49:55
2014-10-21 02:07:18
Tha fanboyism is strong in this one.
2014-10-21 03:13:25
nah, just not an utter moron like yourself
2014-10-21 05:40:42
He's right though. :)
2014-10-21 06:00:48
C9 1 - 16 Lunatik on de_dust2 while they beat them consistently ?
2014-10-21 06:42:42
C9 dont need to throw matches they are not poor.
2014-10-21 07:00:38
2014-10-21 07:01:01
Ye, C9 don't throw matches, they are just bad.
2014-10-21 09:56:49
you wish
2014-10-21 20:34:48
online, sometimes
2014-10-21 22:52:09
2014-10-21 11:09:59
VP was different, they didnt bet and throw, they played the match before that and it was casted later from a replay. SO they just knew they already lost. And bet on LDLC instead.
2014-10-21 02:07:22
The only reason these guys were caught was because they were stupid enough to bet from their own accounts, or accounts that could be traced back to their main accounts (idiots).

To be caught in such spectacular fashion, these Polish morons must be utterly braindead. Anyone with a half-functioning brain will be able to do the same, but no-one will ever know, it's extremely simple.

Any amateur team who no-one really knows, in a match that gives a fuck about, can throw games with minimal hassle. Pro teams can do the same, albeit being slightly more difficult accompanied with greater risk.

If fixing occurs in worldwide, professional sport, CSGO is a fucking walk in the park.

Anyone who thinks this isn't happening frequently is deluded.
2014-10-21 02:13:17

the proof is in the pudding: http://youtu.be/hTEFo9uQX2g?t=27m17s
(audio is not synced)

But basically Nip spot pasha's scout, YET they continue to run through mid doors and lose the anti-eco round - which shifts the economy and the map towards VP's favour (winning that round would of gave nip a 12-6 lead)

Losing a round by stupid mistakes happens all the time. But you'd expect a team like Nip to comfortably close out a match after winning the T-pistol round @ 10-6 on dust2: CSGO Legends Series map5

Whether you like it or not, the conspiracy is real: teams will throw. Just don't go crying to me if you lose teh moneh.


Post edited 2014-10-21 11:50:55
2014-10-21 11:47:11
And the way they were playing aswell was really obvious.
2014-10-21 11:51:44
2014-10-21 00:40:48
NA - NONE (remember iBP or C9 matches?)
EU - all top teams are ok (imo)
Asia/Oceania - NONE

So.. this how will looks like, without amateur teams..
2014-10-21 00:42:59
C9 never threw. Poland should be permabanned tho after this shit. (Apart from VP)
2014-10-21 07:02:33
VP did the same already... betting skins in 1 game when the game just be "caster/post" later when the game is over and they know the result already. (like they just caste the game after few hours)

2014-10-21 08:27:48
They just took advantage of the situation, they didn't lose on purpose. Not saying it was right since they basically took skins from their supporters but it's not the equivelant to throwing.
2014-10-21 11:53:20
They used inside info to get illicit advantages. That's a crime in most part of the world.

for me throwing or use info like vp did is the same
2014-10-22 06:59:33
ur so naive..
2014-10-21 09:12:06
2014-10-21 00:52:41
2014-10-21 01:22:10
Good argument, changed my mind.
2014-10-21 01:24:17
Cheers mate.
2014-10-21 01:30:55
2014-10-21 01:40:21
2014-10-21 00:57:32
ban please
2014-10-21 00:36:44
2014-10-21 00:39:12
2014-10-21 00:42:57
2014-10-21 00:53:23
2014-10-21 01:11:19
2014-10-21 08:25:40
2014-10-21 08:47:17
2014-10-21 00:36:47
2014-10-21 00:37:01
#rip my skins on these guys ffs
2014-10-21 00:37:02
Poland scene
2014-10-21 00:37:17
2014-10-21 00:38:19
in a nutshell
2014-10-21 14:17:14
The scene should ban ALL THESE players
2014-10-21 00:37:26
Begin the shit storm!
2014-10-21 00:37:39
i'm quite sure these ain't the first ones, i hope csgl will pay more attention to these scams
2014-10-21 00:38:00
Instead of letting people bet on "random" (dont take me wrong, they might be known in their own country) teams, just bet on pro teams imo. Cos as somebody said above. Non-pro teams dont really give a shit.

Altho many say, if you dont know the teams, dont bet. Happy that i didnt bet on this one. But on vp who lost -.-
2014-10-21 07:55:33
haha Alsen.throw <3
2014-10-21 00:38:05
hue hue hue this will explode

2014-10-21 00:38:17
rip your cs careers. Stealing from the community, stealing from the fans/viewers. scum.
2014-10-21 00:39:05
That's what VP did. Betting on a known outcome. Back to the future taught them nothing.

Inb4 Polish people reply to me.
2014-10-21 11:59:40
2014-10-22 07:00:21
How do they know these accounts are alt accounts of other players? There is no way to confirm this.
btw. So what. They could bet like 2000$ on real money bet sides and win that way like 10k $ each of them. They must be totally retarded to get busted on shitty skins from MAIN accounts :D

It s so easy to do it in untraceable way:
1. Bet from your family and freinds accounts on real money bet sides.
2. For skins use only your family and friends accounts or good alts with tranfers via your firends accounts and with logins by using proxy.
3. Ofc dont do this from your PC but just telling others to do this from their pcs or use other pcs and other ips for your family accounts

Post edited 2014-10-21 00:50:58
2014-10-21 00:39:54
you for real?
2014-10-21 00:42:08
K, tell me how can you detect you bet via accounts of your family and friends just by telling them to do this? No logging from your pc or sth similar.
Also how can bet sides trace item transfers via a few steam accounts to be a "gift from fans" in the end?
2014-10-21 00:47:52
friends list on steam?..just a thought
2014-10-21 01:24:12
im talking about IRL friends(who dont even need to know what cs is), not online "friends" :D
2014-10-21 01:37:19
its very simple honestly, take few moments to think of how banks trace $ and other things of that nature. #themoreyouknow
2014-10-21 01:39:26
only national banks when nationial powers force them. usually a foreign bank account is enough to hide your money

no way russian betting sites have power to check and analyze millions of skins transfers on steam.
1. valve ll not give russians accets to that data cause they dont give a fuck and valve is not stupid and valve is american
2. betting sides dont give a fuck too. i bet cslounge made a drama only because russians hate poles and vice versa since forever.

Even so it s nothing wrong when your friends or family bet against you. That s the point of betting.

Post edited 2014-10-21 01:50:28
2014-10-21 01:47:38
If you're THROWING the game, someone in the team or associated people may find out and leak the information. Hence, BUSTED because they rat you out and find proof to link you.
2014-10-21 02:09:51
you dont need to throw like "we throw, look at us!" but "price is small so lets safe strats and play wrong to disinform enemy, if we lose we are ok , this ll be even better for our future matches"
2014-10-21 02:12:50
2014-10-21 07:38:04
Not really. I could have a laptop, alternate steam account and create a moniker and do betting on a public wifi at a starbucks or some shit. I wouldn't be surprised if professionals in top10 teams do this. You could make $1,000's a week.

I mean look how inconsistent NiP is now. People still bet their skins on them regardless of how often they lose matches. They used to be unstoppable in CSGO and ever since CSGOLOUNGE came out they went to shit.

Post edited 2014-10-21 02:16:06
2014-10-21 02:14:09
Nip is one of the team that definitely never ever would throw.

They're just not that good anymore. Especially online, the motivation is much lower.
2014-10-21 11:53:29
Dare_Dev1L - HLTV.org
They probably have ways to confirm it.
2014-10-21 00:42:27
2014-10-21 00:42:46
if they bet on both accounts CSGOlounge have their ip?
2014-10-21 00:43:20
That is my point, you must be retarded to do this by using your pc :D This guys are jsut some noob kids. If you have at least half of brain you can throw and rig without any problems. Just dont use your pc and your accounts for that :D
2014-10-21 00:49:40
But really great that you wanna tell everyone how they should cheat with bets. You're really a sport.. you f"#!"¤!# moran. Guess you feel really great about yourself and that low amount of intelligence you have.
2014-10-21 09:06:46
Mak0r is a certified moron so no point in wasting time on him
2014-10-21 09:36:16
This is BASIC knowledge. People who fix matches for long time are 100% aware of that. I just show a big picture how insignificant is this bust and how stupid you must be to get busted.
2014-10-21 11:33:18
IP checks, email accounts, etc etc.
2014-10-21 00:43:21
well i guess they could make a second steam account registered to another mail and bet from another computer logged into a different connection.
2014-10-21 00:46:04
They could, and I'm sure others probably do this to stop being caught.

Doesn't mean they will do it every time.
2014-10-21 00:53:46
it is only good for total noobs and norbains
2014-10-21 00:52:22
Just compare the ips they placed their bets from with other users, if you have a match it'S likely an alt account, and if several make max bets that's too much of a coincidence
2014-10-21 00:44:04
it is only good for total noobs and norbains
2014-10-21 00:53:02
why do u have to think about this? it doesnt matter at all... they felt safe and they got fck'd ! ez pz braindeadeds
2014-10-21 01:20:26
u cant bet 2k,unless u use 10 accounts for that too.
2014-10-21 00:44:07
that s why you use your family (~5) and freinds (~5) accounts
2014-10-21 00:53:50
On real money bet sites. Read his comment.

You can't however, max on cs matches Atm on respected sites is around 200 USD.
2014-10-21 00:58:19
There are at least 2 sites like this so you jsut need 2 friends accounts for both sides and 3 accounts from your family (grandma, grandpa, sister, brother in law etc.)
2014-10-21 01:08:11
thats what i said u cant bet 2k on egamingbets.
2014-10-21 01:29:52
you can, you just need 10 accounts ;)
2014-10-21 01:38:10
ip adress, mac adress, many idiots do stupid mistakes, and if you watch some of the alt accounts they only bettet on matches with themself :)
2014-10-21 00:45:02
You look at how often they bet... Who they bet on and how much. If the accounts only bet on alsen matches and at high rates then it's clear it's insidet shit... Then you can request for steam to track items to final location and get your hard proof that way.
2014-10-21 12:32:16
There might be, if they were stupid enough to use the same IP for example, or if there is a link, just like vac ban affects multiple accounts if they are linked.

I'm just speculating tho :D
2014-10-21 00:45:04
yeah, this polish kids bet from main accounts and alts from the same pc. Totally stupid. It s like being proud of catching drunk bicycle drivers on some back road while others steal millions of dollars without any problems.
2014-10-21 00:56:32
2014-10-21 10:34:43
why would u give those people such a good example of what they could have done, now real money betting sites have to watch out for invaders that will do what you've just described here... Im actually not going to be surprised if some players have already done that, the once that new the outcome of the match.... mmm....

Post edited 2014-10-21 01:54:42
2014-10-21 01:54:19
There are ads of real money betting sites in every face it match at least a few every hour so everyone is aware of that. I say it to not lose the big picture and not be happy because a few stupid kids got busted on skins bets.
2014-10-21 11:36:26
Cheating is stupid hence stupid mistakes occur. You get a smart person and they realize its not worth it in so many ways so they don't do it.
2014-10-21 02:12:09
These shit games dont get attention from real betting sites, they are idiots who bet on the same ip but different steamids typical poles.
2014-10-21 09:55:31
It's actually not that difficult to trace and then correlate data between different accounts.

I'd say there are three things that would cause an account to be flagged as a suspect of insider information:
- You bet on a team which is an underdog and they win.
- You make an anomalous bet (Example: $240 bet on a 20% odds team)
- Your prior bets have been mid size bets on "safe" teams.

This is similar to how people become more suspicious of cheating if a player only has a few hours of CS:GO played, and is dominating the game. It's also similar to how poker sites flag suspects of someone who is playing/talking with multiple players at the same table. It's just behavior analysis and statistics.

Once you have a suspect, you can do more extensive work to figure out who the person is who made the bet. The simple stuff being to correlate browser sessions, IP numbers and/or accounts. Or the more difficult and invasive, where you can trace the items or money that is being transfered, or finding out who the person that made the bet is and if you can correlate that individual with someone close to the team.

I'd say that it's difficult to get away with something like this unnoticed, unless the betting site doesn't care, or if you do very small bets on fixed matches and in general make a lot of bets. In other words; its not really worth it.
2014-10-21 11:02:46
unless you bet from different pcs in different ISPs and each account from different ip and pc.
2014-10-21 11:37:29
Polish scene is all 'bout skins... it's all DDoS and throws! :(
2014-10-21 00:41:01
They should have asked pasha how to do this kind of stuff :D
2014-10-21 00:41:16
gg CS:GO ruined
2014-10-21 00:41:18
2014-10-21 07:39:43
2014-10-21 00:41:32
L O L !! !!
2014-10-21 00:41:43
This week - first Dota 2 and malay teams, now CSGO and polish squads :D
2014-10-21 00:41:52
2014-10-21 00:42:14
2014-10-21 00:42:31
Probably not the first, and certainly won't be the last.
2014-10-21 00:42:41
alsen vs giants was the first HEH
2014-10-21 10:39:01
Phatetic. Thumbs up for csgolounge for showing this.
2014-10-21 00:43:08
maybe, but im still sad about my 80 bucks loose :(
2014-10-21 00:45:35
why do you bet 80$ on 81% team when 2 random teams are playing
2014-10-21 01:28:02
the fact you don't know em, doesn't mean they actually are 2 total random silver teams ;p
2014-10-21 01:46:36
I'm not saying anything about their skill level, I'm sure they're better than me, but the outcome could be so random
2014-10-21 02:33:45
the fact is that alsen i a prett decent team, and they should have no problems winning that game, if you look at former results and stuff, dont worry bro i do my homework, but apperently not enough
2014-10-21 14:33:23
Well, alsen is actually pretty bad, if you look at international level, best teams etc. Playing against teams like vp ldlc navi and others they could easily get owned even 16-0.

But on polish level they're surely not the worst, and eliminacja is struggling to win any match... I think it's more a mix fun team, and alsen is more "proffesional". If not that throw, eliminacja could probably end this season with 0 wins, that's why the odds were so much favouring alsen.

Post edited 2014-10-21 17:15:50
2014-10-21 17:14:52
thousands in skins lost or won because of this....just banning these awful players does not seem right.

what makes it worse that other top polish players knew about it. the others should be punished too for knowing about it and taking advantage instead of reporting it.

Post edited 2014-10-21 00:44:44
2014-10-21 00:43:24
Well, they did probably report it and that is most likely how the whole thing came to daylight?
2014-10-21 01:07:58
"However, there is proof that players from other teams in EPS Poland knew about the situation and didn't report it to the admins, but instead used it to their advantage to bet."

Perhaps read the article first ;)
2014-10-21 01:12:49
I did read the article. I am not referring to the ones who knew of the situation and decided to bet, I am referring to the ones who were aware of it but did not bet.
2014-10-21 01:19:25
Just start adding only lans and offline/online finals and that's it.
2014-10-21 00:43:29
Embarrassing for Counter-Strike.
2014-10-21 00:43:32
U had same stuff in Dota 2 (famous "322" saying is the reward he got from the match he threw). And recently happened again 6 pro dota2 players got fired because of match fixing 1-2 weeks ago
2014-10-21 02:22:13
the scene is growing guys

Post edited 2014-10-21 00:45:59
2014-10-21 00:43:33
rekt !! thank god CS GO is in progress..
2014-10-21 00:43:46
Virtus.pro(inc. pasha) did something similar and nobody even raised an eyebrow.

Post edited 2014-10-21 00:44:05
2014-10-21 00:43:52
2014-10-21 00:45:05
Not really. They bet on Dignitas to win the game after the game had been played, they didn't lose on purpose (as far as we know)
2014-10-21 00:45:19
u mean ldlc..
2014-10-21 00:46:03
it was LDLC
2014-10-21 00:48:05
They did know that they lost and didn't tell it to anyone. That's unprofessional, especially from players like pasha who's always interacting with his fans on stream & facebook page. :)
2014-10-21 07:01:01
lol, you are retarded. they jsut made a fun with ldlc players AFTER the match to exploit stupid mistake by russian crew from cslounge by showing how cslounge is retarded.
2014-10-21 01:00:00
U keep spamming CSGL is Russian, but
2014-10-21 02:25:56
csgo csgolounge admins are russians, dunno about dota section
2014-10-21 02:28:20
*polish admins
2014-10-21 08:10:15
the sheer idiocy in you posts on here is fascinating.
2014-10-21 02:31:32
yeah, blame others for obvious csgolounde mistake done by retarded russians admins who dont understand english, you are a pure idiot
2014-10-21 02:33:23
They're professionals, and they obviously knew that they acted immorally by betting on their own match that only they, their opponents and maybe some admins knew the outcome of, practically stealing from everyone else. It doesn't matter if CSGO Lounge was to blame as well, VP should know better.
2014-10-21 02:46:18
If i am not wrong pasha on his facebook write something like " biceps is not always with you" before bet was closed and they didnt sell match. Alsen on other hand just lose match on purpose.
Hope some ppl who lose money on them will appraised diamon and other trash on lan.
2014-10-21 10:53:15
I can see my Stattrak AK-47 | Redline BS in the picture :(
2014-10-21 00:44:20
famous AK hhaa
2014-10-21 00:49:38
Embarrassing to the CS scene. All players that bet on this game with inside information should be banned from all future tournaments.

Might seem harsh, but we NEED to make sure players are terrified of betting against themselves.

Post edited 2014-10-21 00:48:41
2014-10-21 00:44:34
i support this!
2014-10-21 00:47:28
+100500 simply because im a hardheaded CS lover but I must agree bans, maybe not permanent, but for a specific period of time or something like that, has to be implemented with no exceptions and if a player or his/her management or a family member or what have you gets caught betting against themselves...and im sure there's no need for an explanation why such strict actions should apply, especially now, when more ppl are joining the community, more events are happening and whats most importantly this is not the first time it happens and a few months back if im not mistaken VP's / LDLC's two or whatever players were officially caught and there was an official thread on hltv org as well ---> http://www.hltv.org/news/12476-csgolounge-on-betti.. i was hoping ppl would learn their lesson as that thread stated that the csgolounge will be applying actions against those teams/players/organizations involved in such ashame...., but players keep doing it (not surprised, but anyway), so a good lesson for whoever broke that rule and bet on the opposite team should be implied and if its a ban and his team has to take a vacation for a year then be it, sorry, come back and dont u ever bet on the opposite team again. You can definately do it as all of us when you're not playing and dont know whats going to happen, but doing the stuff screwing thousands of ppl watching the matches and then realising you lost cause of skins is not acceptable...

As per for myself I love watching CS as is since probably early 2000s (no streams back then, but its not the point) and it just feels awkward when you're cheering for a team you live the match and maybe express, share some feelings with the team, but then find out they lost on purpose just feels awkward, cant expain, liek it doesnt touch u, u just dont feel anything its like WTF hahah :)


Im glad thousands of ppl will read this article and those caught players will do the same and hope their faecs become red behind their screens there :)

but its ok, life goes on...

no stress

2014-10-21 02:12:15
i support this too!
2014-10-21 21:21:35
+ 1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2014-10-21 02:55:19
sure ban someone because of betting with fantasymoney
2014-10-21 18:24:11
This is why CSGL should not add these matches...dont add matches apart from those tournaments having tier 1 teams.
2014-10-21 00:45:43
Isnt that making too much drama putting names of other players who did bet on ALSEN's opponents? Even I, as I am playing in ESC bet on eliminacja cause of pretty good value and map which was dust2, not high, cause nothing is 100% sure, never. Its not a crime to do yolobet like that http://imgur.com/tg4Qeo6 or 240$ when you have items to throw just like nothing. Anyway it was a big mistake to bet from main accounts - things like that always go wrong.
2014-10-21 00:46:00
I think it would be ok yea, but betting from so much accounts with such high values is a bit obvious isnt it?

In your case it would be legit tho, cause you bet shitty skins.
2014-10-21 00:51:50
You talk something other on Minise stream yesterday. ;D
2014-10-21 00:53:57
Seems like its a secret if you didnt wrote what i said, lol.
2014-10-21 00:55:42
Anyway it was a big mistake to bet from main accounts - things like that always go wrong.

Are you for real?
Betting from main account is part where you see problem?

Double facepalm...
2014-10-21 01:36:08
Why u act like i should think you are brainless. Ofc its not, but when you want to do something which is full of shit, you should do it with brain, right? I am glad that this thing leaked, maybe it will make a difference on cs scene.
2014-10-21 01:38:45
kurwa confirmed
2014-10-21 07:10:30
Hell no its not, what the fuck is wrong with you and your sportsmanship?

"Anyway it was a big mistake to bet from main accounts" - are you fucking kidding me ? :D

This is all about some of your players (and i bet even yourself) didnt come clean with the admins to begin with, i dont care if they throw the game, but it shouldnt be costfull to others in a betting site - not to speak about esportsventure who also had the bet up.

This is a disgrace to CSGO and all of you who are involved in this, really should start looking for another hobby - cause it seems like your desperate to win money because your too shit to win any money in the game yourself.

I lost all respect i had for you and your team just with that comment you wrote, and i will surely let Rolf know about this aswell. good day loser
2014-10-21 11:58:01
I dont care about some shit skins and im sure i earned more money on this game in 1 year than you did for your lifetime playing. ESC knows about it, and we are not that stupid to risk that big organisation to some shit thats why im defending us since we are not in this crap affair as far as i know.

Anyway i dont know how could you post that thing without waiting for official statements, but it seems like what people say about you is pure truth. good day true loser :D
2014-10-21 12:02:26
The past 4 months, i think i earned just in EPS, what you earned in your entire "career", but hey, you also get salary in ESC like i did right? fucktard

Stop playing stupid, you can see, from multiple posts that your players all bet on this match, including rallen mouz his gf and even you - sure maybe your manager knows about it, but i will surely let Rolf know this myself - not only did his players act in a betting scandal, but they as a top team in EPS poland didnt report this to ESL? How do you think sponsors will look on this situation? I know your very new to joining a big organisation etc, but please, use ur fucking brain and stop coming with most STUPID statements ive ever read .

Yet again, what people say about me? that i say my opinion ? why the fuck should i wait for a statement? i can look into the evidence provided, i can look at your steam accounts - thats it.

"we are not so stupid to risk that big organisation to some shit" - just with your statements before, it said EVERYTHING about you :)

And yes i also lost skins on this, hence why i do a little about it, and since ESC is my old home and the organisation i care most about, i cant let little fuckers like u ruining that name :)

Post edited 2014-10-21 12:08:30
2014-10-21 12:07:06
Yea, you need to defend ESC, cause you are legend there.

About salary you did get - well, deserved.

2014-10-21 12:21:05
Thank you and yes i am "legend" there because i am one of the Guys that actually cares about the home i play for (which u can ask gassy, rolf or any other in ESC about)

Nice comeback when 3 of your players is involved in a betting scandal. rofl


Post edited 2014-10-21 12:24:20
2014-10-21 12:23:30
Badum tsss
2014-10-21 12:28:28
Ukrain vs B&H win? GJ GJ
2014-10-21 21:35:11
Even the top pros don't make much money from cs...I guess it's too hard for many of those guys to resist the temptation to make some money since they are mostly young and without incomes
2014-10-21 00:46:30
have to agree...
2014-10-21 00:49:40
you have proof, and you should do something.
if you do it NOW, you will stop same situations later!
2014-10-21 00:46:36
For the record, we didn't know about their intentions.
2014-10-21 00:46:52
TK haha
2014-10-21 00:51:19
yeah, just Game of throws ofc.
2014-10-21 01:38:03
Which is why you posted this before the match, right? http://i.imgur.com/09ASPnE.jpg <--

Fuck you.
2014-10-21 02:04:39
Oh yea, going with 2-15 score and still winning.
2014-10-21 08:58:35
2014-10-21 11:58:44
2014-10-21 00:47:21
sajlent u are a beast ;3
2014-10-21 00:47:52
Let's calculate their exact winnings and make a 322 version of csgo?
2014-10-21 00:49:11
Ban them all.
2014-10-21 00:50:30
so the only thing I wanted to know and which is not supplied is: will there be any punishment and what about us that lost value on matchfixing? is it our responsibility to know that aswell?

I rate this as the same at cheating in csgo: I believe a VAC/ tournament ban is in order.

Post edited 2014-10-21 00:51:42
2014-10-21 00:51:06

this one explains everything.

i was wondering why he is going sth like this.

btw for those who doesn't know the prices,

st asiimov ft is 240$ ( unbetable )

3x ft asiimov around 200 usd ( betable )

Post edited 2014-10-21 00:53:17
2014-10-21 00:51:51
haha :D can't bet the stattrak one, right? ^^
2014-10-21 00:52:39
2014-10-21 00:53:03
only 60$ skins ;)
2014-10-21 01:02:56
Thx for the link... someone from hltv crew should consider adding it to article.

This guy was doing some shady trades to get easily bet able skins...
2014-10-21 01:38:25
DQ from eps inc :) .
2014-10-21 00:52:02
2014-10-21 00:53:26
2014-10-21 00:53:43
2014-10-21 00:54:03
So they let them keep the items? Alsen has also lost previously 3 matches on csgl, being highly favored in each of those matches. Just saying maybe admins should check those as well. Would be interesting to know if those were just coincidence or did they throw them as well.

Also if these people were banned from csgl, why hasn't neo, pasha, taz been banned as well?

Post edited 2014-10-21 00:59:34
2014-10-21 00:54:59
Look at this screenshot:
Diamon's 3rd account, his team ALSEN vs Giants, he also bet on themselves :)
They lost obviously

Post edited 2014-10-21 00:56:38
2014-10-21 00:56:26
oh, didn't notice that :)
2014-10-21 01:00:29
what is that word instead of his nick?
2014-10-21 02:07:28
Sth like faggot/losser.
2014-10-21 03:52:03
They checked one, vs giants.
31% there, but still... 500$ for max bet ;p
2014-10-21 00:57:01
Apart from EPS these people hardly play anywhere...abn them for 5 years, their career is over.
2014-10-21 00:55:03
Exactly this!
2014-10-21 01:39:35
Another bunch of newbs
2014-10-21 00:55:34
where are all those people saying there are no throws ???
2014-10-21 00:55:42
2014-10-21 00:55:42
Next time over 80% on csgolounge, I will definitely bet on the other team.
2014-10-21 00:55:48
i dont think they would actually risk this again :D
2014-10-21 00:56:33
I predict that the HR vs CW match will be <20 - >80 by tomorrow. Go for it!
2014-10-21 00:56:55
2014-10-21 01:00:08
hahaha get rekt
2014-10-21 00:56:36
Hope the pixels was Worth it , probaly suspended now from EPS and their future in this game is gone.
2014-10-21 00:56:42
Micha&#322; "bCk" Lis and Jakub "kub" Pamu&#322;a bet on eliminacja from their own Steam accounts

2014-10-21 00:57:22
They are so poor that they couldn't afford other steam accounts XDDDDD . Now they've won some good skins, so they can buy some ^^ .
2014-10-21 00:59:18
registration on steam is free and you don't need csgo to have skins
2014-10-21 06:44:35
I know, that was a joke :D . These guys were just so dumb, not poor ;p .
2014-10-21 17:10:55
i've bet the wrong guys due to the analysis i've made on this match searching for info, checking steam pages, looking for hours played in past 2 weeks, checking matches history and group stage and then i've bet because there was zero risk on this bet eliminasja didnt win any match in group stage and i've thought that alsen is top 3 team in poland that could loose only to ESC and VP
my bet: http://imgur.com/a/NG6Qc#0
i hope at least if you couldn't give back skinks please talk to the ESL management to give ban for ALSEN for suck a movements from their side
2014-10-21 00:57:26
They cant get the items back i think, but i hope they get banned too..
2014-10-21 00:59:27
ahahahh thats what you get for betting on 81%

Post edited 2014-10-21 11:54:23
2014-10-21 11:54:09


what would you even get back ? 50$ value winnings?

newbs :D
2014-10-21 12:07:01
haha gg. Polish onions confirmed.
2014-10-21 00:57:56
2014-10-21 00:58:37
perm ban at ESL - at least :)
2014-10-21 00:59:26
some ppl are just 2 retarded to be even on semi-pro scene... 2y ban for whole ALSEN team plox
2014-10-21 00:59:31
rallen is the worst there
go to hell
2014-10-21 00:59:49
They can not be DQ from EPS cuz in EPS rules is said nothing about bets Kappa.
2014-10-21 01:00:22
there actually is...


its a polish article but basicaly they write that esl is strongly against bets and that they dont allow players of the league or staff bet on any matches that they are involved with...
2014-10-21 01:02:17
it was only for esl cologne
2014-10-21 01:04:13
Its about ESL Major Evenet like EMS One Katowice or ESL One Cologne, nothing about Regional leagues
2014-10-21 01:05:14
Check EPS CSGO rules my friend :D

BTW: Alsen will get MAJOR points in EPS ;]
2014-10-21 01:15:53
well then i hope it will go away quickly and smoothly ;P
2014-10-21 01:18:40
ESL can not DQ them. There are rules and in polish law if the offense took place before and if ESL will change rules about bets they can do nothing.

There are no words about bets in EPS POLAND CSGO rules.
2014-10-21 01:21:48
They probably could DQ them if they desire.

2014-10-21 01:30:31
well they could use the un-sports-like behaviour... ;P
2014-10-21 11:50:47
Well, uh. Congratz on getting my items :)
2014-10-21 01:01:06
EZ skins EZ life
2014-10-21 01:01:08
Will they give back the skins to everybody who bet on ALSEN ? Or what gonna happen with those people ?
2014-10-21 01:01:16
The skins have been drafted. Nothing to do.
CSGOL can't give back skins they don't have.
2014-10-21 01:04:08
Nope those skins are gone. It's a good lesson learned to not bet overdog on games like these. I made quite a killing a couple months ago betting against DAT every time they had 80%+ overdog. No proof if they were throwing, but I came out big like 3x in a row.

Only the top tier1 teams have no incentive to throw. You always gotta consider both throwing and ddos when making your calculations. It's just a part of the game (until there's way to prevent them in the future).
2014-10-21 01:10:40
the term is 'throwing'
2014-10-21 01:01:40
natural selection at best :D Kids now are so stupid it s ridiculous

Post edited 2014-10-21 01:03:25
2014-10-21 01:01:46
2014-10-21 01:02:20
I think they did nothing wrong
2014-10-21 01:02:26
Alsen > IBP
2014-10-21 01:03:17
Just stop posting random matchs on csgolounge.

They litteraly win more if they throw the match. Who sans say no to freeskins? Even the pro throws (VP.)

Post edited 2014-10-21 01:03:49
2014-10-21 01:03:35
2014-10-21 01:04:05
hahhaahha swedes cheating on lan, poles betting on opponent haahah pls bann them all.
2014-10-21 01:04:26
YES! SUCH GREAT IDEA. Ban all swedes because emilio cheated. KAPPA makes 0 fucking sense.
2014-10-21 11:43:44
Bye losers.
2014-10-21 01:04:56
Another fucking reason to be ashamed of being polish.....
2014-10-21 01:05:06
Lets have a match!
Alsen vs iThrowPower.

See who throws the hardest!

Post edited 2014-10-21 01:05:38
2014-10-21 01:05:17
Can everyone mass report them and link Valve to this thread to get them all trade banned?
2014-10-21 01:05:36
Are you for real? They did nothing wrong. It was only unethical and shameful as fuck. They can only be punished by not inviting them to cs tournaments and banning their accounts on community sites.

Post edited 2014-10-21 01:10:31
2014-10-21 01:10:03
"They did nothing wrong"

>Are you for real?
2014-10-21 02:54:12
Very rarely does makor make a decent comment..
2014-10-21 03:11:31
from valve's perspective, ofcourse yes, there is nothing wrong in trading items back and forth
2014-10-21 11:56:54
oh i remember a lot of skins on ALSEN - Giants and they were throwing hard also :\
2014-10-21 01:05:48
i lost a lot of skins i mean ofc >:D
2014-10-21 01:12:31
hey lamp sup :)
2014-10-21 01:17:45
why didn't csgolounge taked screenshots after that ibuypower's games?

2014-10-21 01:06:49
Alsen worth more attention <3
2014-10-21 01:07:37
forever ban from competitive csgo pls
2014-10-21 01:07:14
These guys should get a punishment like no trade/betting for a year so all their items is stock! and the everyone that had a bet on that match should get every skins returned, i believe csgl got a backup to reload :)

And ofc get DQ from the league and lan's in the near future :)


Post edited 2014-10-21 01:09:34
2014-10-21 01:08:34
CSGOL do not have a backup.
The throwers probably removed the skins from CSGOL ASAP to avoid getting their new skins taken away.

The rules also state that the tournament-hosts need to announce suspicion of cheat/throw BEFORE drafts begin. Which means CSGOL can't do anything and won't do anything.
2014-10-21 01:13:34
Diamon on his facebook wrote that some of his accounts are "blocked" and he can't request items back to steam. 1000$ skins frozen (or went straight to CSGL :-D)

Post edited 2014-10-21 01:48:49
2014-10-21 01:46:26
and this is another bullpoo xD csgolounge take this skins for yourself for free
2014-10-21 08:45:45
Throwing important matches for pixels n1
2014-10-21 01:09:08
Guess who feels cheated? I DO!!!!

Post edited 2014-10-21 01:09:37
2014-10-21 01:09:20
i feel sad for you. -.-
2014-10-21 01:13:16
seriosuly feeling bad for u m8 :<
2014-10-21 01:13:20
Thanks guys, was very mad how this whole thing turned out. If you go to their profiles all of them are either private or their inventories are not showing. I really do want my skins back that was like 7/8 of my inventory :(.
2014-10-21 01:18:40
that was like half of my inventory but there is one more lesson when you go more than 350$-500$ in skins you need to cash it ou otherwise you would get into some kind of stories like that
2014-10-21 01:21:48
not only you my boi
2014-10-21 01:21:51
Shit! Surely items will be returned in due time though, right?
2014-10-21 03:08:16
Dare_Dev1L - HLTV.org
CSGL would care less I'm sure.
2014-10-21 04:46:29
They are proud of themselves https://www.facebook.com/AMNESIAdiamon/photos/a.29..
2014-10-21 01:10:39
2014-10-21 01:13:43
translate pl0x
2014-10-21 01:14:57
in previous post he show

that he bet on his team

but in this post:
he inform that he have 2 more valuable acc which bet on opponents. He is proud of himselve and he is happy to know how much his teammates, Norbiak and rest get.

2014-10-21 01:22:35
hes just laughing at people who put their bets on alsen. saying that half of pro scene is doing the same . im really surprised how he shits on people who supported his twitch channel/fb page lol
2014-10-21 01:22:48
especially when his previous post shows that he lost his bet :D
2014-10-21 01:27:45
Here you go:

"easy life easy skin, also skins from the most expensive account were skipped" (I think he means that csgl/hltvorg didn't post the ss / didn't find that account)
"ALSEN > IBP" (nothing to translate here xd)
"boast of how much did YOU earn? cause I already know about mouz, rallen and norbiak" (these 3 knew about the throw before the match)

It's not a perfect translation, but you get the point. And his polish is TERRIBLE, so that also makes it harder to translate :D .
2014-10-21 01:25:29
lol wow, he's actually boasting about all the skins he won by losing on purpose. How low can he go?
2014-10-21 01:20:22
there is another post:

He told that many teams do this same shit so its nothing bad. He is angry that csgl blocked his 1000$ value acc.

2014-10-21 01:23:55
2014-10-21 01:11:38
Another though. We should blame ELIMINACJA. They probably bet for themself cause it seems everyone was aware of that throw so they were aware too. They should also throw to fuck alsen. D be fun to watch a match like this :D
2014-10-21 01:12:41
turns out they didn't bet on themselves though
2014-10-21 01:14:08
we better ask FODDER what to do?
2014-10-21 01:15:11
hahahah bro that would be the funniest shit ever :D
2014-10-21 01:15:27
We didn't know mate hahah
2014-10-21 01:19:01
ofc u didnt thats y half of the polish scene knew but u didnt ;) gtfo -1
2014-10-21 01:24:24

Probably should have thought before posting this sajlent.
2014-10-21 02:07:06
ofc :)
2014-10-21 12:39:03
sad day for csgo scene. Gambling is ruining cs, but on the other hand if csgo lounge didn't exist I'm sure they would lose 90% of the viewers and interest from the csgo community. GG.
2014-10-21 01:13:03
What he said ^^

I still think that the betting is great, and i enjoy it myself, its a nice thing and i makes more interest into the game, but when things like this happen then its sad, the whole community is in an akward situation now, ppl's idols stealing their money, thats what this actually is, ppl stop supporting ppl that do these kind of things, and support the real ones!!
2014-10-21 01:17:09
Bets make only sense if both teams fight for a fianl vitory in a big tournament. Low tier games for nothing should not be listed because it makes a great desire to rig and we are only humans. Ofc betting sides dont give a fuck, they just want profits from traffic.
2014-10-21 01:36:03
expected, pretty sure it wasnt their first time
2014-10-21 01:13:41

A lot could be said about skins and match betting in CS:GO and even more about ‘match fixing’ situations. The truth is that as an organisation, we were always against adding our matches to the CSGO Lounge site because of the possibility of unfair play. There were plenty of similar situations and other teams were caught cheating in a similar manner. Sometimes these accusations were true and sometimes just the opposite. Unfortunately, our last game against ELIMINACJA was added to the CSGL site and just like most people think, someone decided to take advantage of this. The question is who, was it our team or our rivals? We are very unhappy with the fact that most people blame our organisation, which is not guilty of anything. Our organisation did not profit from this situation at all, however we are very sorry that a lot of people who believed in our players lost their skins. We will investigate this case further and we will take necessary steps to avoid these kinds of situations in the future.
Best regards
Pawe; „Pawcio” Watemborski

Post edited 2014-10-21 01:14:37
2014-10-21 01:14:08
"Damian 'diamon' &#379;arski
oko&#322;o minuty temu
Po&#322;owa teamów tak robi na &#347;wiecie, tylko z tym, &#380;e dostali&#347;my extra fejm, gdyby oczywi&#347;cie nie kilka osób która w tym pomog&#322;a "

"half of all teams do like this, only we were got extra hate because of a few "helpers"(he means traitors)"

So like i said. Dont be overexcited. It is a small fish case while big fish are still in the water :D
2014-10-21 01:15:46
Imgur for future when this retard will realize that he publicly admitted that they fixed this game and delete post:

2014-10-21 01:50:56
Now is the best fucking opportunity to share who else did this!
2014-10-21 02:50:41
he only said they ve gone bigger than ibp and he is proud of that :D he also said he ll win soon even more than he lost otday cause of blocked skins.
2014-10-21 03:34:55
Hopefully people will stop betting on their matches or CSGL will just remove their matches.

This is bullshit. I didn't even bet and I'm mad. This kind of shit is just hurting CS:GO and e-sports

Post edited 2014-10-21 14:17:38
2014-10-21 14:17:09
Damn, you could ask fnatic to throw against you, more skins for everyone keppo
2014-10-21 06:05:57
what he said!^^
2014-10-21 17:18:45
Message is not visible in his facebook timeline anymore. It looks like he doesn't know how to fully delete it.
Polish e-sport site in their article http://cybersport.pl/artykul,28752,gracze-alsen-te.. writes:
Jak na razie, tylko diamon zamiescil wypowiedz o calej aferze. Szybko ja jednak skasowal
which translates to:
As for now only diamon commented on the issue, however he already deleted his comment.

Post edited 2014-10-21 13:59:10
2014-10-21 13:58:24
This is not the end !
More ppl who knew:
- r0lka (bCk friend from Alsen cod4 team) http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/765611979924500..
- mynio (eliminacja player) http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/765611979852467..
- minise http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/765611979896204..
- Angie (mouz (from ESC) girlfriend)
2014-10-21 01:16:24
how can u know they knew ?
2014-10-21 01:25:32
I got my 100% information.

Michi from Alsen bet on 3 other accounts of his friends too :)
2014-10-21 01:27:55
You should report that to EPS Poland / CSGL / HLTVorg. Especially rallen, minise and mouz abusing that information and not telling it forward - I'm hoping they will get long bans for that.
2014-10-21 02:47:41

Post edited 2014-10-21 09:00:17
2014-10-21 08:59:19
rallen in 1.6 - cheater
rallen in GO - cheater
some things never change :)
2014-10-21 14:06:33
that angiee was scam 2 times haha
2014-10-21 02:58:14
some of them placed bets from their main steam-accounts? rofl
2014-10-21 01:16:49
Karma is a bitch ]:->
2014-10-21 01:16:49
oh my god... shame on you
2014-10-21 01:20:07
so what?
2014-10-21 01:20:13
Scums. Remove csgolounge please, destroys the whole scene... They should be glad to even be in a team. KICK THEM OUT!
2014-10-21 01:21:08
This is fucking embarrassing. Polish e-sports scene was always full of crap and immature kids - I have no idea how Golden5 and Roccat (LoL now) grew out from this shit

Post edited 2014-10-21 01:23:34
2014-10-21 01:23:12
inb4 perm ban
2014-10-21 01:24:24
game of throws

disband or riot
2014-10-21 01:25:06
2014-10-21 01:25:37

Post edited 2014-10-21 01:25:46
2014-10-21 01:25:31
the sad thing is some people tried to warn us but 99% of us probably thought they were trying to sway odds.

but if a recognizable player competing in EPS, such as rallen (who took advantage of the situation), warned everybody or reported this it could have easily been prevented..
2014-10-21 01:25:35
exactly thats why he should get punished to!
2014-10-21 01:26:28
2014-10-21 01:26:22
Why is everyone lumping Polish people into this? This was just a group of idiots taking advantage of a situation, nothing more.
2014-10-21 01:26:52
Thank you.
2014-10-21 01:33:04
World is too racist...
2014-10-21 10:05:18
Because now 80% of top Polish players have been proven to throw for skins.
2014-10-21 10:16:09
They steal from their fans! such a bunch of idiots! im just happy that i jumped past that match i didnt bet anything on it! :)
2014-10-21 01:27:21
this is the future of competitive cs
2014-10-21 01:28:54
+1 skins skins skins
2014-10-21 07:56:51
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9maiaKzDjU men in mid of 2 guys is diamon enjoy ;P
2014-10-21 01:29:09
lol if true
2014-10-21 01:31:15
it´s a joke or? i hope it´s a joke
2014-10-21 01:31:46
its real. :D
2014-10-21 01:33:51
It's really diamon :D.

Now they made the video private, hahahah.
2014-10-21 01:41:02
What was that video? :D
2014-10-21 01:59:01
no fcking way ... AHAHAHAHA thatsss..... disturbing xD
2014-10-21 02:38:51
its true check picture on his fb ;P
2014-10-21 16:06:53
Just saw that they deleted the video. What did they do in the video????? I need to know! Haha XD
2014-10-21 01:51:30
2 guys humping diamon from front and behind. Everyone only wearing underwear
2014-10-21 02:32:18
gay sandwich in underwear
2014-10-21 02:39:40
This is the clear effect of adding games, where some of the teams have nothing to lose.

It's like watching Denial (former LunatiK) lose 16-5 or so on Mirage to a team, they go on to beat 16-6 on Mirage the next day (CEVO and ESEA had map pools line up).

It's honestly sad, that CSGOLounge was made aware of this situation, way before game start, and still decided to do nothing. They could've started the investigation prior to the game, and closed the game, due to matchfixing, prior to it becomming an issue - ending up stealing skins away from the community.

But yeah. The toxicity is real.
2014-10-21 01:31:23
"It's like watching Denial (former LunatiK) lose 16-5 or so on Mirage to a team, they go on to beat 16-6 on Mirage the next day (CEVO and ESEA had map pools line up)."

"a team" could have taken CEVO/ESEA more seriously than Denial, or Denial could have taken CEVO/ESEA less seriously

i believe they focused more on CEVO
2014-10-21 01:52:44
You don't go up 500% in performance on the same map from one day to another. Especially when they excused themselves with "not having practiced the map that much".

Obvious throw. :-)
2014-10-21 13:27:37
ESC Gaming players are the most disgraceful people here they know the truth and wanted to gain the maximum. Some fools makes the mistake and entire professional players come under radar.

2014-10-21 01:31:49
yea, confirmed info..
2014-10-21 01:32:59
give me some skin tho or Blackyghost will kill u :)
2014-10-21 01:36:39
http://steamcommunity.com/id/innocent-/inventory/ take half of my 240$ bet from 5 accounts.
2014-10-21 01:41:35
yeah sure u have no friends or others accounts ok.

all the shame in esc alsen and polish cs just fuck off.
2014-10-21 01:56:55
Esc was my favorite Polish team but now ...
Inshock the best :P
2014-10-21 11:51:58
Oh cool, it's my polish twin :)
2014-10-21 04:08:37
they wont be there for long :)
2014-10-21 12:03:55
hope so u.u
2014-10-21 12:56:27
ja pierdole ...
2014-10-21 01:32:03
Maybe the problem is the betting itself, if their only chance to win some money was by winning the tournament, we wouldn't have to discuss this now :)
2014-10-21 01:32:52
+1 ban csgol
2014-10-21 01:33:45
They should receive minimum a one year ban at ESL.
2014-10-21 01:33:08
Haha! What should I expect? XDDDD
2014-10-21 01:40:55
Just a simple chance bet.
2014-10-21 01:42:54
Don't know about polish criminal law but the federal court of justice in germany made clear that this kind of stuff is considered as fraud.
Can't imagine that they're handling it different in Poland or in any other country.
So, imo it's rather a task for the prosecution than it is for the ESL and the question of being banned from further CS competition.
2014-10-21 01:43:51
Give me back my skins !
2014-10-21 01:44:59
take 8:::D
2014-10-21 01:53:37
Honestly I am not even mad, nor do I even care. I don't bet and this is simply one of the very reasons why. I think betting is hurting the community especially when everyone's bets are tossed into a pool and divided at the end. It leaves to much incentive for the teams competing to throw matches and walk away with $1,000's.
2014-10-21 01:45:53
Fucking onions. Ban them permamently from ESL. Those guys are not true players. They're just destroying cs:go scene in e-sport.
2014-10-21 01:56:05
ban those idiots already
2014-10-21 01:57:50
Ban from any competition is a minimum penalty.
2014-10-21 02:00:09
Im so happy I lost my skins.
Lesson learned.
Thx Poland, best education.
2014-10-21 02:01:25
even bunch of idiots can learn people something, interesting...... :)
2014-10-21 14:00:55
what a shame :|
2014-10-21 02:02:12
EPS matches should be removed from CSGL in future. They have proven multiple times now, that they are not trustworthy, professional and mature enough, to be considered a collection of professional teams.
2014-10-21 02:02:58
Ez skins ez life never bet on 80-20 games xd but seriously this is disgracefull....
2014-10-21 02:10:11
Only allow betting for majors. Starting from groups stages and further (possibly only LAN events too)
2014-10-21 02:11:02
if not punished severely , other teams will do the same over and over again
2014-10-21 02:11:15
your absolutely right my friend!
2014-10-21 02:38:50
Idiot is one who still stake in Polish matches
2014-10-21 02:11:51
The solution is easy. Stop putting these games, that no one cares about, on lounge. Same for chinese games, indian games, south african games, brazilian games, ESWC, even NA games... Those are games perfect for throws, that's why i always bet on the underdog.

If even pro teams like VP and iBP have had some history with throws of course that the same will happen with these nobodies like ALSEN. I dont blame the guys to be honest, it's easy money. I blame lounge for accepting these games on their site when it's obvious that the throw potential is huge
2014-10-21 02:15:09
They should be banned by esl and kicked by their organiztions. We will see if they have the decency to do that.
2014-10-21 02:16:21
maybe not kicked by the organization but at least ban from esl for next season or something...
2014-10-21 02:17:14
Not kicked by the organization? The organizations will kick them as fast as possible if they are even a little bit decent.
2014-10-21 02:51:28
all semi pro teams should be removed from csgo lounge...

2014-10-21 02:16:36
Then we can't bet on most of ESCE or ECSW :/
2014-10-21 02:56:57
But we can live without betting on most of ESCE and ECSW.
2014-10-21 03:37:44
in my opinion it would be better without semi pro teams, just like alsen for example
2014-10-21 16:31:26
So then we can bet on like 5-6 teams, that would be fun...
2014-10-21 09:37:35
fnatic, virtus, ldlc, titan, dignitas, nip, navi, ibuypower, hellraisers, cloud9, cph wolves, onlinesports, london conspiracy, maybe even kick and 3dmax

that more than 5-6 teams mate
2014-10-21 16:30:08
when i saw this match at csgolounge i though i will bet at deklinacja cause those teams are so low and this is such oportunity for alsen to make money that they will might throw damn
2014-10-21 02:18:16
Also xenn from penta sports did a 240 $ bet on elimincja... look at his fb
2014-10-21 02:22:04

Berlusoni is drowning in skins right now
2014-10-21 02:23:23

Join The Club!

2014-10-21 02:26:21
So this is what Counter-Strike has become after 15 years, a fucking mediocre game with the majority of the players caring more about the skins than the actual game.

Fucking shame on y'all.
2014-10-21 02:27:13
Its not about skins, its about money, there are many ways to convert those skins in real money.

IMO this shit should have legal pealties.
2014-10-21 02:28:42
Easy, csgolounge should work with valve in order to trade ban their accounts.

Also, they should be part of some "shame list (cly, emilio, nille)" and never be accepted in any cs:go team/tournament.
2014-10-21 02:27:36
VALVe is too big to affiliate with a small company like CSGO or Dota lounge
2014-10-21 02:56:07

oh thank you sweet jesus for choking me to not bet 3 keys on alsen xD

Thanks to the people who were bewaring us of the throw!!!
love u guys!
2014-10-21 02:36:39
Who was the rat?
2014-10-21 02:36:48
There should be created some kind of association to support and regulate all the online counter strike scene, just like FIFA on football. CSGO Lounge and Egamingbets involves money, real money, and if some guys (like Alsen players) win bets by losing on purpose there are others that lose it unfairly. If you have balls, know the game, know all the things happening in CS scene (even behind it)and love the game, just go ahead.

If this (and DDoS also) keeps going on, we will probably see a lot sponsors, and potential ones, stop to give their contribute to online tournaments. It's a shame, we all lose. Counter strike as lots of potential to be huge eSport, people in a few years can watch it at home like we now watch football. Wake up Valve, do something to stop this, you have a diamond on your hands.
2014-10-21 02:39:10
no statement from anyone from alsen....noballers...
2014-10-21 02:41:20
Someone sue.
2014-10-21 02:45:01
guess the US scene except Cloud n IBP doing the same shte
2014-10-21 02:46:58
Cloud9 loses to Low team such as Savage/denial etc.

The next day Hiko has souvenir dragon lore.

2014-10-21 02:51:28
how do you feel poles, when rallen representing your country in team poland?:)
isnt it funny that you have thief in national team considering stereotypes about your country?:D
2014-10-21 02:52:06
One year ban to all major leagues/tournaments. FaceIt/Dreamhack/ESL events/SLTV/ESEA etc.
2014-10-21 02:57:32
1 year is nothing
2014-10-21 03:08:07
Too many 322 on eSports now a days because of the betting. Maybe one way to avoid that is don't put amateur to semi pro matches on bet.
2014-10-21 02:59:10
this kind of shit needs to stop if people are going to take counter-strike seriously as an esport, and if we want to be able to take ourselves seriously.

we need to be absolutely ruthless with people like these, they deserve to have their names remembered in a hall of shame and be barred from playing in the high-level competitive leagues for at least a few years, and then for life if it happens again.

that kind of severity is what happnes to match-fixers in professional sports and we should follow that example. there is literally no excuse for this. none. this is cancer. people who do this are cancer.
2014-10-21 02:59:36
Playing ESL.PL for skins ahaha so polish!

P.S Bann for 10 years @ ESL! And put in jail like f0rest... but seriously shame!

Post edited 2014-10-21 03:07:30
2014-10-21 03:01:10

Post edited 2014-10-21 03:02:32
2014-10-21 03:02:17
daj mi jakiegos skina lepiej :(
2014-10-21 03:08:03
wasup bck nice throw hf!
2014-10-21 03:10:17
2014-10-21 15:07:56
Skins were infact, relatively easy on this one, I am not gonna lie.
2014-10-21 03:07:07
this is why you don't bet on these sketchy games.
2014-10-21 03:07:30
what mean 322?
2014-10-21 03:10:23
It was a Dota 2 Game that one team throwed for 322 value in return, so it became a famous expression
2014-10-21 03:15:46
solo 322 google it
2014-10-21 08:46:08
https://www.facebook.com/AMNESIAdiamon/posts/59309.. is he assuming that he throw??? Someone that understands polish better could explain what he said?
2014-10-21 03:11:48
he clearly said on his facebook that he threw this game l

2014-10-21 03:25:20
I honestly think that all of these guys should be kicked from their team by the organization, and also valve should do something or people who organize tournament should ban them for some period. People from the pro scene need to take this game more seriously and i'm not talking only about the players!!!
I'm not a LoL player, but i'm pretty sure that if a LoLproplayer got caught doing some shitty like that.. yea he would be banned for at least 6 months.
2014-10-21 03:15:50
I think the best we can hope for is ESL banning them for 10 years and org's kicking them. CSGOL banned them and prevented daimon from getting 1000 value.

from his facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AMNESIAdiamon

"I am very sorry because CSGOLounge blocked my account where I could pull skins worth $ 1000, but do not worry, not long! Tomorrow a stream of case opening and give away!"

Post edited 2014-10-21 03:18:56
2014-10-21 03:18:39
this is not a big deal.. actually this is the basic that they can do about. if ESL ban them and org's kick then we got something to cheer
@edit: also i think csgolounge should ban them forever, every account, no more bets for dickheads ever.

Post edited 2014-10-21 03:28:09
2014-10-21 03:27:07
Not sure what csgo lounge can do about the situation...
2014-10-21 03:26:25
Lounge blocked some accounts before they could get returns. https://www.facebook.com/AMNESIAdiamon

"...CSGOLounge blocked my account where I could pull skins worth $ 1000..."
2014-10-21 03:28:37
Oh I see didn't think they could do that thanks!
2014-10-21 04:47:20
2014-10-31 11:42:03
next time alsen plays 3/6 players will have some sort of karambit slaughter/crimson web/fade/etc.
2014-10-21 03:36:19
Expecting several bans coming out. I hope CSGL don't put any matches of this tournament anymore.

Boycott this ridiculous tournament already.

Polish mafia.

Now lets hope USA Mafia get wrecked, when netcode had 15% chance of winning and dazed threw for some cash.

Post edited 2014-10-21 03:40:31
2014-10-21 03:36:25
thanks for f*cking drafting my items CSGL
2014-10-21 03:38:20
1 word Rekt
2014-10-21 03:44:25
real stealers here are csgolounge; making money on skins that are worthless

shame on alsen tho
2014-10-21 03:47:20
good job alsen. go out with bang!
2014-10-21 03:50:04
2014-10-21 03:57:03
for ever hated

this is never forgetable
2014-10-21 04:04:45
Did players get margin from bet site ?
Can not be helped if not got it,
all game all day DDos and Offensive language etc, but they should serious playing ? bet site should anti DDos and send margin for player,

sorry if english wrong
2014-10-21 04:10:31
wow, what a bunch of twats.
2014-10-21 04:14:48
This is disgusting to see, hope they get banned and no organisation pick them up for the future.

Post edited 2014-10-21 04:16:39
2014-10-21 04:16:29
let the legend speak.
2014-10-21 04:40:23
solution? DONT put stupid 2nd tier matches on csgolounge

Post edited 2014-10-21 04:34:04
2014-10-21 04:33:53
tier 8
2014-10-21 05:39:35
tier motar2k
2014-10-21 13:35:01
Pretty much validates my "bet small on actual pro matches" approach to the whole lounge experience.

Oh...and don't leave too many guns in your returns either...never know when they'll pull up the drawbridge and bugger off with all your stuff!
2014-10-21 05:09:24
told you guys that stupid polaks will throw XD
2014-10-21 05:15:14
WTF and you dont do anything with this. There is law, few ppl won few towsen but many ppl lost lost over 60k $. This is the same situation how you set up a soccerball game
2014-10-21 05:21:21
this is cs go. Not dota or lol. No one cares
2014-10-21 05:30:39
Man, I think that some crazy guy that lost too much is going to retaliate... I don't know but I got a bad feeling about it... something bad is going to happen with Alsen team in RL
2014-10-21 05:59:58
They will be at LAN This Weekend in Poznan. ;D Will be funny! :)
2014-10-21 07:15:23
I think that pro players shouldn't be allowed to bet, that would be a solution against all this stuff ..
2014-10-21 05:52:20
Most stupid idea. They have friends to bet for them, alt accounts...
2014-10-21 05:57:39
If they can realize like this example that pro players are betting, maybe it can work ..
2014-10-21 06:00:19
well thx to this I lost one key rip
2014-10-21 06:07:59
fuck alsen
2014-10-21 06:09:41
they should losse sponsor's
2014-10-21 06:10:06
losing 240 on a fixet game.... oh well... but atleast i won them back at dignitas! FUCK DDOS!
2014-10-21 06:31:47
WTF LOUNGE? CHECK it before.....
2014-10-21 06:39:05
Look what skins did to this game. It would be naive to think that this does't happen on a regular basis.
2014-10-21 06:42:23
Shit country shit team
2014-10-21 06:44:37
This is just wrong in so many levels.
2014-10-21 06:45:07
I am Alsen and I am NOT 322!

But seriously, how fucking pathetic are these scrub pros right now, so much 322 going on like holy fuck!!!
2014-10-21 06:45:22
I would do same, ESL Pro Series is useless tournament, why they need care if they can take good amount of money.
2014-10-21 07:02:42
> useless

Most important League for polish players

2014-10-21 07:50:59
Kick from orga inc
2014-10-21 07:12:07
Article 171 and 157 criminal code brazilian!
Famous 322... XD

Post edited 2014-10-21 07:15:59
2014-10-21 07:15:41
Good job boys, sad that you are too stupid to get cought.Rape this kids for skin moneys boys ! DDoS Team 4 LiFe
2014-10-21 07:27:58
ded gaem
2014-10-21 07:43:12
bu$ted nubs
2014-10-21 07:46:45
Lounge return my skins...
2014-10-21 07:47:10
nothing new every pro player use another account to bet skins on sell matches..

they play for money

skins - ez money ez life

Post edited 2014-10-21 07:58:24
2014-10-21 07:54:24
this is fucked up, just ban all of them
2014-10-21 07:57:36
plz ban this polish kids
2014-10-21 07:57:45
csgolounge busters gj...CIA shuld hire thier team
2014-10-21 07:58:22
am i the only one who doesnt give a fuck about this? also i belive that the team is from them, they own their team and dont have to give any clarification for anyone... if i had a team in this situation with a huge money possibility to be made, i would defenitely do the same, is even better for betting it leave things undefined... but you guys arent in this about the feeling, u guys only for skins
2014-10-21 08:02:37
Hahaha how do they get caught? I find it funny that they are stupid enough to bet from their own accounts. Well done boys!
2014-10-21 08:03:24

21820 people placed 62798 items.

It's not only about how much they earned. It's also about how much people lost. In normal sport people can go to prison for fixing matches.

I don't see any other option than BAN from all major leagues all Alsen players. I can't think what punishment can get rallen, mouz, norbiak and others who were involved. They didn't play the match but simply know about the throw and decided to participate in this scam. This makes them also guilty.

They need to get ban in every league/tournament to avoid this kind of situation. If admins/organizations won't react, we will see this shit coming again in 2015 also.
2014-10-21 08:06:01
Are those randoms even playing in any major league? :D
2014-10-21 10:22:21
Well, ESC guys are playing and they knew about that that and took an advantage, should be banned aswell.
2014-10-21 10:25:27
I have no idea if they are. But 2 years ban in ESL, ESWC, DH, SLTV, ESEA and other quals will be good.
2014-10-21 10:34:26
ESL is enough. They wouldn't qualify for anything else anyway.
2014-10-21 11:36:21
Poland like always, jesus TT ))))))
2014-10-21 08:06:42
HAHA, how stupid you have to be to bet fixed game from your main account, srsly? Hope they will get ESL ban
2014-10-21 08:12:01
Smbdy know lounge will returns skins or not?
2014-10-21 08:16:58
Skins ruined this game.

It's all about skins now.
2014-10-21 08:26:14
sad but true

miss 1.6 times :<
2014-10-21 08:34:28
2014-10-21 09:58:27
I think morons more :)
2014-10-21 13:53:23
can someone ddos the shit out of them? ty
2014-10-21 08:40:04
At first glance I was surprised, but then saw that it was polaks.....
2014-10-21 08:42:17
That's what happens when there's no security while betting behind pro and semi professional teams. Just the idea of betting on a computer game is too risky;
When you're betting on horses there's less chances that you get caught since it's anonymous, but on a computer there's still the ip, the steam id etcetera.
CSGOlounge should be removed and the benefit would be no more of these shits, but on the other hand it just will divide the number of viewers.
2014-10-21 08:45:49
They should be banned. Fuck the lowballs.
2014-10-21 08:55:02
absolutely disgusting.
ban these lowlifers from all leagues, tournaments and csgl.

and just never add those no name matches again, too easy for them to get money.

also the ESC players who bet on this match, knowing it'll be a throw should be banned like the others as well.
2014-10-21 08:58:15
2014-10-21 13:51:50
poor braindead idiots.
2014-10-21 09:02:54
poland too stronk. perma ban
2014-10-21 09:05:41
ddos csgolounge - one action, two solutions - no more ddos proplayers
no more throw matches for skins
2014-10-21 09:09:15
Ban all of them, leagues should work together in this case and DQ them for life from all possible tournaments.

Moving step foward - i would even ban ESC guys since they knew and made profit out of it. Ill repeat - they made profit out of illegal act. We need a good lesson for others who do this, ban them all.

Thank you brainless Diamon for letting us know that ESC took part in it.

Post edited 2014-10-21 09:12:19
2014-10-21 09:11:07
Yeah, I agree with what you said, ESC should be banned aswell.
2014-10-21 10:26:14
2014-10-21 09:11:30
inb4 these caught players of ALSEN starts to drag others alike under the bus. spewing out evidence of other pros throwing/fixing lolol
2014-10-21 09:16:09
ESL should ban them all for next 3 seasons.
2014-10-21 09:17:21
I would've done the exact same thing if I was in an amateur team that was put up on csgolounge, and I don't even live in a third world country.

They won more than their entire family earns in a month.
2014-10-21 09:21:14
Idiots team
2014-10-21 09:29:16
thats totaly unexpected from the poles.
2014-10-21 09:32:06
Totally expected and obvious , people you need to learn to spot possible throw matches - it happens a lot more often than people get caught for it.
2014-10-21 09:39:07
such incidents need really harsh punishent, to prevent next ones
2014-10-21 09:46:14
Fucking semi-pro cunts. But I guess it's only one team of many, including the top.
2014-10-21 09:47:43
I doubt very few pro team would throw for skins (except for virtus pro), like it's obvious that some teams never throw for skins. It's a team choice, not a individual choice, most players aren't cheating scumbags.
2014-10-21 09:51:07

VP did exactly that back in the spring.

Post edited 2014-10-21 10:01:12
2014-10-21 10:00:45
yeah, that's why I wrote 'except VP' :)
2014-10-21 10:03:23
People just forget very quickly, I forgot everything about that incident too, so it was just to back that statement up :)
2014-10-21 10:05:26
little brain can u see different between bet after match when u know result and throw game for skins ?
2014-10-21 10:12:44
please read #570&586.
Yes I do.
Throwing vs stealing skins. Some may consider what VP did not as bad, but still they tried to steal skins which is very despicable. Hence, I consider neo, pasha and taz opportunistic thieves.
2014-10-21 10:17:07
dude are you dumb or you want to look like a dumb ? what is it?

vp used their uniqe information to steal skines from ppl like you and me... this is robbery .. yet it is not like this alsen thing but still it is very sick.

this polish scene ...

Post edited 2014-10-21 10:50:14
2014-10-21 10:45:11
I am not dumb just say its not exactly same what Vp did compared to ALSEN. And yes agree its still sick but not same ,not even close to Alsen did in my opinion.
2014-10-21 11:35:46
They didn't throw this match they just play 2hours before the hour of the match on csgolounge and bet after the match because they know the score.

Post edited 2014-10-21 11:55:31
2014-10-21 11:55:00
they didnt throw.. they just knew the result of the match, it was becouse you could bet on a VOD... ofc it was wrong, but they didnt throw.
2014-10-21 14:35:08
I don't get whats the big fuss about, iBP do it a lot only they do it with brains, alternative accounts that they don't even use on streams on different IP's therefore no one could trace it back to them. Same with C9.

You guys should look at Nooky's inventory, ex-mouz captain. He earned most of his inventory betting on himself (but that's legal), not if chrisJ was obviously cheating that day.
2014-10-21 09:57:33
Betting will ruin this game.
2014-10-21 10:00:36
2014-10-21 14:52:01
2014-10-21 10:01:38
i read those comments, and i think u are all stupid ;) keep trashtalking polish randoms and clueless ppl
2014-10-21 10:02:15
The way they got caught, Maybe they were the only ones to bet max amount on eliminacja. Easy to Trace. Who else would bet max amount on eliminacja??

Post edited 2014-10-21 10:16:01
2014-10-21 10:15:35
There was plenty of people who know that alsen gonna throw.
2014-10-21 10:27:53
This is why, CSGO lounge and betting needs to be shut down. Beginning to miss the good matches when people play to win and not to throw.
2014-10-21 10:15:51
return the lost skins on yesterdays match CSGL
2014-10-21 10:18:14
ofc! haha
2014-10-21 10:24:04
I'm literally rofl reading dumb people writing "no other team other than VirtuspPro throw. They have been caught throwing"

Pretty sure all of them failed English at school.
2014-10-21 10:29:55
Well, csgolounge and all betting sites needs to be closed. At least csgl need to kick out that low lvl teams matches from site.

But for me more confusig is that they were caught. How brainless you must be to bet against your team from your own acc/ip?
2014-10-21 10:30:55
As long as csgl knows if the teams bet on their own games and in that case close the match, csgolounge does not have to be closed imo
2014-10-21 10:35:26
csgl and other betting sites are main problems of proffesional cs:go scene. Keyword: DDos.
2014-10-21 10:40:02
Guns don't kill people. People shooting guns kill people.

CSGOLounge isn't killing CS:GO. It's retarded teams throwing matches that is killing CS:GO.

Leagues need to start banning players to form an example. In Korea, KeSPA banned the StarCraft players throwing matches for life. Now it's very rare for someone to throw a match. If ESL did the same, no one would be throwing matches.

edit: And about DDoS. Professional players need to take responsibility. If you're playing an important match, protect yourself. It really is not difficult at all.

Post edited 2014-10-21 11:06:29
2014-10-21 11:05:45
When players actually have so low morals that they lose on purpose, it would not surprise me if those are the types who cheat aswell to get money.
2014-10-21 15:03:13
2014-10-22 00:01:56
Skin is love, skin is life :)
2014-10-21 10:31:19
Lost all respect for the polish scene. Gj by csgl to reveal this. Rip in pepperonis polish scene
2014-10-21 10:34:16
2014-10-21 10:45:48
hahah gg
2014-10-21 10:47:12
thats why all leagues without top teams should be removed from lounge
2014-10-21 10:49:04
2014-10-21 10:52:45
322 322 322 322 322 322 322 322 322 322
2014-10-21 10:52:35
lol,why did the bet from own accs ?:D
2014-10-21 10:58:32
because they have no brain xD
2014-10-21 11:03:15
cuz they are stupid. Diamon a.k.a 20kg can't find job as a physical worker and he must earn money @ fuckin csgolounge ^^. Piece of shit as fuck. I hope someone gonna facefuck this scumbag :D
2014-10-21 11:05:03
lol :D
2014-10-21 11:23:01
They should be banned from ESL... simple as that.
2014-10-21 11:02:51
Cs go lounge is killing competitive cs online. It's happened many times and then you have the ddos attacks when the underdog is winning.
2014-10-21 11:03:57
2014-10-21 11:04:36
Throwing has gone on more then people know. A bunch of players throw a world series back in the day for money. That's pro baseball! So why would people think any of these cs go teams would not throw to make some cash. It happens more then you know in many sports. Cash is king! Can't sell trophies.
2014-10-21 11:05:32
trololo, now give me your skins rich boys!
2014-10-21 11:08:12
We want skins back or riot #neverforget
2014-10-21 11:09:37
u done fucked up bitches, u done fucked up..
2014-10-21 11:11:47
Polish teams = 322. VP 100% 322 team im sure. Alsen players just so stupid to bet from main accounts and main computer with same IP adress.
2014-10-21 11:12:15
[email protected]@[email protected]@ :D
2014-10-21 11:17:12
good idea..if only done correctly, stupid horses
2014-10-21 11:20:20
ez life
2014-10-21 11:25:09
Kids playing games, nothing more to add.
2014-10-21 11:37:03
It was going to happen anyway, and it would be done by other idiots from the second world if these guys didn't do it.

Eastern Europeans just keep impressing.
2014-10-21 11:53:29
If there were no bets no one would care about throws...and no team would lose on purpose and it wont matter even if they did...! The Bets are really hurting the online cs go scene but sadly the Community will die off without it...i would have done the same if i was in team ALSEN haha and yea 80% of u would too..who doesnt want free $ ! haha.. and yea i dnt think anyone can stop this "throw" thingy... so my point is that it would be pointless to send team ALSEN to jail.! haha

P.S. I made a small bet on Team Eliminacja just cause it was Dust 2 !
2014-10-21 11:56:31
Skins = throws (this is just one of 1000), DDoS, delays etc..

No skins = -80.000 viewers, minimal DDoS, enjoyable game, enjoyable for spectating, no throws...

Sad that 60% of cummunity is playing/watching only because of the skins, csgo was much better before their implementation
2014-10-21 12:01:54
ye fuck skins and remove them all)
never betted on csgo and will never DO!!!
2014-10-21 14:20:11
this is why only matches that actually have higher value to win than to throw for skins should be on csgolounge
2014-10-21 12:05:15
2014-10-21 12:10:02
bCk.. why am i not surprised here ?
he was already a retard back in cod4 days, looks like he hasn't changed at all. lel
2014-10-21 12:15:54
ez skins ez lyf what a bunch of greedy mf.... :D ESL should implement penalty points or sth like that :D
2014-10-21 12:25:54
what a shame...
2014-10-21 12:33:14
2014-10-21 12:36:41
322 ported to csgo aswell :D
2014-10-21 12:43:50
so many careers sold for a few dollars
2014-10-21 12:48:45
Ban for all involved in this fraud. The scene must act when shit like this happens, else no one will take this esport serious.
2014-10-21 12:50:32
Well first thing which I think of is that they did something illegal, totally illegal, no excuses for both guys who threw the game and rest who knew and took advantage of it. If it was all about low amounts of money we wouldn't scream and shout at them, just know they are cunts. We've got clear proofs that they did what they are accused of, some of the informed guys told the rest to even bet on ALSEN, because it is 100% SAFE BET (https://www.facebook.com/csNorbiak?fref=ts)
Every crime should finish with a punishment, and this one should be rigorous enough to prevent others from trying. 21820 people placed 62798 items. I wish they all finish with cases in court if it is only possible.
2014-10-21 12:58:14
They won more money on bets than they would have earned on the ESL Pro Series Poland 9.

I'm not surprised by such behavior.

2014-10-21 13:06:43
yes, but you have to be a full-retard-idiot to do such scams from your own accounts. I think michi, matty and sany are smarter and do so from some other nottracable accs of their friends or sth.
2014-10-21 13:19:18
exactly lol. Cebulatards
2014-10-21 13:38:42
The whole case is retarded.
2014-10-21 14:01:04
stupid behaviour from the Poles but only retards bet on these lowbob-tier crap matches :D

no wonder stuff like this happens because its a low-tier game where the noname players have no respect towards the tournament and fair play. all they care about is themselves.
2014-10-21 13:17:57
lol. same on yesterday's match vp vs dignitas. last map wasnt even recorded lol..
2014-10-21 13:34:17
do you have a brain?
2014-10-21 13:42:42
2014-10-21 13:58:14
from where you know the last map wasn't recorded?

Post edited 2014-10-21 14:16:42
2014-10-21 14:16:22
2014-10-21 14:23:20
BOOM, polaks strikes again
2014-10-21 13:53:08
csgolounge wanted to point out that "tournament admins and organizers, and [csgolounge] site admins did and will do everything to stop stuff like this".

unless they can make a quick buck out of it. multiple csgolounge admins were made aware of at least 1 of these bets before the match started
2014-10-21 13:54:19
hahahhah caught!!! ....abn lounge plz or tweak it..
2014-10-21 13:57:50
2014-10-21 14:03:23
"However, there is proof that players from other teams in EPS Poland knew about the situation and didn't report it to the admins, but instead used it to their advantage to bet."
Where is the proof? They we cant see that "proof"?

Post edited 2014-10-21 14:06:54
2014-10-21 14:03:59
2014-10-21 14:05:20

Thats the pic from one of dia's alts. Did you guys notice that he also bet against his team vs Giants? So this isn't even the first time they have thrown...

I didn't bet on this game, and I'm glad. But these kids should be barred from playing in any future events again, for sure.
2014-10-21 14:13:30
That's impossible, pro players would NEVER do that.
2014-10-21 14:16:08
Ban all involved.
2014-10-21 14:23:30
alsen organization kicked their cs:go team
2014-10-21 14:26:38
no surprise really, they've no chance getting under any organisation now, but they might not even care because of how much they made...sad
2014-10-21 14:32:10
Alsen parts way with their cs:go team

Official statement in Polish and English on alsen fanpage.
2014-10-21 14:31:00
2014-10-21 14:40:25
i'm rich !!! :* thanks for skins .. ez skins ez life :)
2014-10-21 14:46:43
Comments: 2

seems legit
2014-10-21 15:13:46
wp ALSEN boys
2014-10-21 14:48:18
can someone explain me why skins are not returned to all who bet on ALSEN?? People lost a lot of skins(expensive skins) because of these punks and csgl KNOW it and not blocked this match...

Post edited 2014-10-21 14:54:02
2014-10-21 14:49:46
because they found out after the draft was done. people that won skins might have already taken them off the site
2014-10-21 15:07:23
2014-10-21 17:28:53
"did the same from several confirmed alternate accounts"
alternate throwing HLTV confirmed

Post edited 2014-10-21 14:51:32
2014-10-21 14:51:17
End of cooperation with male team of CS:GO! GOOD ;)
2014-10-21 15:03:32
I feel bad for the two guys who had nothing to do with this, since ALSEN now release their squad.. Fucking respectless from the 3 other guys, hope it was worth it ;D
2014-10-21 15:04:54
They'd bet too, just wasn't so retarded to do this from their accounts and ip's. Inside info, michi won 2300.
2014-10-21 15:10:31
If you look comments you will see that they had something to do with it but didn't get caught. michi was trading his awp asiimov stattrak ft for 3 normal bet-able awps asiimovs just few hours before match (he was losing like 25 euros on this trade)
Also diamon inventory and ss of his wining from news:
Many items are the same as with ss from news (stickers are just easy example you can see on first page)
2014-10-21 15:14:53
then i feel a bit better that they got released now, thx for info guys!
2014-10-21 17:24:30
It's sadly a part of any sport, when betting is involved. We see it in normal sports too, even on high level from time to time. Not much one can do, except remove betting from non-important matches and induce harsh punishments to players caught cheating the system.
2014-10-21 15:11:04
This, punishment needs to be so harsh that there is incentive to play fair, not cheat. If the punishment is too low, it will make sense for many poor people to take the risk and cheat as the upside is much larger than downside.
2014-10-21 15:40:25
When you bet you agree to the chance of throwing the match, ALSEN are amateur players that will never win a single tournament.
2014-10-21 15:17:22
Its funny how i from Day to Day basis, meet, hear or see polish people cheating, hustling or some other version of scamming other people/countries etc. Etc.

What i am wondering is if we need to send in The United Nations in polandations in poland, to help The people of This poor country WHO have to resort to crimin criminal behaviour just to survive...
2014-10-21 15:23:17
It is important that ESL and similiar organizations in the industry make a strong stance on this issue.

Minimum 2 year ban on all competitive esports matches/cups/lan sounds reasonable. Offer 6month shorter ban if they donate their illegal winnings to the victims.

Send the message to the community that cheating will not be tolerated and create punishment that really deters such actions.
2014-10-21 15:35:25
ez skins ez lyfe lol :(
2014-10-21 15:36:01
ahahhahahahaha diamon HAHahahhahahaHAHAHahhahahahahhahaha
2014-10-21 15:44:07
what are skins? why do they matter? stupid pixels.
Counter Strike is teamplay FPS or I have missed something ...
2014-10-21 15:47:53
First of all: What a bunch of idiots, it really isn't that hard not to get caught with this shit.

Secondly: This is a problem! this is very likely happening a lot and the only solutions I can think of is to punish these players hard and not to add unimportant matches to a betting site.

This will definitely happen again since if they just log in to a different account on a different pc (school/friends pc idk) they would almost be no proof of them doing this unless it was deeply investigated.

Last of all: These players should be punished in real life for all the skins they stole and all the skins people who bet on them lost, but this probably isn't legally possible. But they definitely should be banned from every major league/tournament for at least 3 years. Losing their organisation is way too light of a punishment. The other people who took advantage of this should be punished as well.
2014-10-21 15:54:04
I smell someone who lost all their skins :D
2014-10-22 01:39:02
nice.. fuck this guys..
2014-10-21 15:54:44
2014-10-21 16:11:27
They show us how to earn some good money without working in PL, where monthly salary is ~600€....

Great idea, but not in CSGO...

fck them
2014-10-21 16:16:10
600? 300 "DDDD
2014-10-22 01:33:54
smallest sth like 300 ;p
2014-10-22 15:25:30
kub and bCk are absolutely retarted. Bet on opponent from main account. Daimon has some brain. If u throwing the game just ask ur friends to bet OMG :D
2014-10-21 16:37:35
Problem is no one wants to befriend these scums i presume.

And do a theif really trust anyone?
2014-10-21 16:38:45
almost as good as emilo's vacations

Post edited 2014-10-21 16:41:47
2014-10-21 16:41:35
I would say, Good job CSGOlounge admins that they keep an eye on such matters.

Post edited 2014-10-21 17:05:33
2014-10-21 17:05:22
I don't know why everyone is so critical of these people.

They're not a good enough team to make it to LANs.
They have no business being on CSGOLounge. I would blame CSGL for this.

From an ethics stand point doing this is not ok.
From a business stand point it wouldn't make sense not to do it.

I'm not gonna sit here like a hypocrite and tell you how awful this is. I would do it too. I'd feel bad for the people that bet on me but I would do it.

And if you think this is the only time this has happened look at every tournament so far where the match they played didn't count or the prize money was small.

Lounge admins need to stop adding no name teams on there. And if they still do it add a betting limit based on the value of your inventory/returns.

For example if your inventory is worth $50 you're only allowed to bet 20% of that on a certain game. On trusted games that have big teams you can bet the full $50.

And CSGL if you guys end up using this I'm gonna politely ask for commission in the form of a knife because I'm fucking awful at betting and I won't ever be able to make that much money.

Post edited 2014-10-21 17:43:55
2014-10-21 17:42:48
Are you serious... You don't understand why people are so critical of others stealing money? Are you perfectly ok with stealing? Taking something that isn't rightfully yours? conning thousands of people out of their money in an unjust way... geeze your post is so pathetic.
2014-10-22 08:02:52
ban them all from csgolounge is that possible?
2014-10-21 17:45:03

2014-10-21 17:59:33
sneaky peaky like
2014-10-21 18:00:33
time for playing contracts for every tournament and cup where is $$ involved
2014-10-21 18:43:46
first was Virtus Losers with Taz in front now ALSEN, pathetic ;x
2014-10-21 19:54:10
what a total morons bhghueueuhehueuh
2014-10-21 21:33:25
2014-10-22 07:12:38
And this is why I only bet on LAN games that mean something.

This would happen so often, most people are just not as big of idiots as these three to use their own accounts to bet.
2014-10-22 07:54:40
Just the same as in football. Money ruins everything. These things were kinda expected after eSports grew bigger and bigger.
2014-10-22 09:12:46
Easy skins easy life
2014-10-22 09:17:07
Finally this page loaded on Internet Explorer
2015-01-18 22:47:56

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