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Polish team ALSEN were caught in the act of betting on their opponents in a match they eventually lost in ESL Pro Series Poland 9.
Many rumors circulated our site and other CS forums today suggesting that ALSEN will "throw" their EPS Poland Season 9 match against eliminacja by betting on their opponents at csgolounge.com, where the odds were 81%-19% in their favor (or 4.16 value for 1 invested on eliminacja).
Several of them claimed they had reliable sources, and surely enough after ALSEN ended up losing 10-16, csgolounge.com checked their players' bet records and found that the rumors were in fact true.
Specifically, they provided proof to HLTV.org that players Michał "bCk" Lis and Jakub "kub" Pamuła bet on eliminacja from their own Steam accounts, and that team's captain Damian "DiAMon" Żarski did the same from several confirmed alternate accounts, despite placing a smaller bet on his team from his main account.
Following are links to screenshots made by csgolounge showing the link between players' accounts, their bets and winnings:
Damian "DiAMon" Żarski (Steam profile)
- alternate accounts used on csgolounge
- bet from 1st alternate account with over $600 worth of winnings
- bet from 2nd alternate account
- bet from 3rd alternate account with over $850 worth of wininngs, also showing a previous bet against ALSEN
- bet from 4th alternate account
This is all the evidence collected so far, and the total worth of the players' winnings exceeds $2,000.
It's worth noting that nothing has been found to implicate the other two ALSEN players from this match - Michał "michi" Majkowski and Mateusz "matty" Kołodziejczyk - or their 6th member Rafał "sany" Pietrzak.
However, there is proof that players from other teams in EPS Poland knew about the situation and didn't report it to the admins, but instead used it to their advantage to bet. Some of them are ESC's Karol "rallen" Rodowicz who put the maximum value and won over $1,000 worth of items, his teammate Mikołaj "mouz" Karolewski with this bet and Norbert "Norbiak" Bagiński from AMNESIA with another max bet from an alternate account.
csgolounge wanted to point out that "tournament admins and organizers, and [csgolounge] site admins did and will do everything to stop stuff like this".
EPS Poland organizers have not yet commented on the situation officially and are expected to do so tomorrow.
Post edited 2014-10-21 00:38:45
"We borrowed our acc's to friends and they placed the bet's
"Man Blames Cat For Child Porn Downloads"
Guarantee these aren't even the only ones. This shit happens very often.
Post edited 2014-10-21 00:39:01
so.. u realy think, this will work?
To be caught in such spectacular fashion, these Polish morons must be utterly braindead. Anyone with a half-functioning brain will be able to do the same, but no-one will ever know, it's extremely simple.
Any amateur team who no-one really knows, in a match that gives a fuck about, can throw games with minimal hassle. Pro teams can do the same, albeit being slightly more difficult accompanied with greater risk.
If fixing occurs in worldwide, professional sport, CSGO is a fucking walk in the park.
Anyone who thinks this isn't happening frequently is deluded.
the proof is in the pudding: http://youtu.be/hTEFo9uQX2g?t=27m17s
(audio is not synced)
But basically Nip spot pasha's scout, YET they continue to run through mid doors and lose the anti-eco round - which shifts the economy and the map towards VP's favour (winning that round would of gave nip a 12-6 lead)
Losing a round by stupid mistakes happens all the time. But you'd expect a team like Nip to comfortably close out a match after winning the T-pistol round @ 10-6 on dust2: CSGO Legends Series map5
Whether you like it or not, the conspiracy is real: teams will throw. Just don't go crying to me if you lose teh moneh.
Post edited 2014-10-21 11:50:55
EU - all top teams are ok (imo)
RU - NONE
UKR - NONE
Asia/Oceania - NONE
So.. this how will looks like, without amateur teams..
Altho many say, if you dont know the teams, dont bet. Happy that i didnt bet on this one. But on vp who lost -.-
btw. So what. They could bet like 2000$ on real money bet sides and win that way like 10k $ each of them. They must be totally retarded to get busted on shitty skins from MAIN accounts :D
It s so easy to do it in untraceable way:
1. Bet from your family and freinds accounts on real money bet sides.
2. For skins use only your family and friends accounts or good alts with tranfers via your firends accounts and with logins by using proxy.
3. Ofc dont do this from your PC but just telling others to do this from their pcs or use other pcs and other ips for your family accounts
Post edited 2014-10-21 00:50:58
Also how can bet sides trace item transfers via a few steam accounts to be a "gift from fans" in the end?
no way russian betting sites have power to check and analyze millions of skins transfers on steam.
1. valve ll not give russians accets to that data cause they dont give a fuck and valve is not stupid and valve is american
2. betting sides dont give a fuck too. i bet cslounge made a drama only because russians hate poles and vice versa since forever.
Even so it s nothing wrong when your friends or family bet against you. That s the point of betting.
Post edited 2014-10-21 01:50:28
I mean look how inconsistent NiP is now. People still bet their skins on them regardless of how often they lose matches. They used to be unstoppable in CSGO and ever since CSGOLOUNGE came out they went to shit.
Post edited 2014-10-21 02:16:06
You can't however, max on cs matches Atm on respected sites is around 200 USD.
I'm just speculating tho :D
Post edited 2014-10-21 01:54:42
I'd say there are three things that would cause an account to be flagged as a suspect of insider information:
- You bet on a team which is an underdog and they win.
- You make an anomalous bet (Example: $240 bet on a 20% odds team)
- Your prior bets have been mid size bets on "safe" teams.
This is similar to how people become more suspicious of cheating if a player only has a few hours of CS:GO played, and is dominating the game. It's also similar to how poker sites flag suspects of someone who is playing/talking with multiple players at the same table. It's just behavior analysis and statistics.
Once you have a suspect, you can do more extensive work to figure out who the person is who made the bet. The simple stuff being to correlate browser sessions, IP numbers and/or accounts. Or the more difficult and invasive, where you can trace the items or money that is being transfered, or finding out who the person that made the bet is and if you can correlate that individual with someone close to the team.
I'd say that it's difficult to get away with something like this unnoticed, unless the betting site doesn't care, or if you do very small bets on fixed matches and in general make a lot of bets. In other words; its not really worth it.
But on polish level they're surely not the worst, and eliminacja is struggling to win any match... I think it's more a mix fun team, and alsen is more "proffesional". If not that throw, eliminacja could probably end this season with 0 wins, that's why the odds were so much favouring alsen.
Post edited 2014-10-21 17:15:50
what makes it worse that other top polish players knew about it. the others should be punished too for knowing about it and taking advantage instead of reporting it.
Post edited 2014-10-21 00:44:44
Perhaps read the article first ;)
Post edited 2014-10-21 00:44:05
Hope some ppl who lose money on them will appraised diamon and other trash on lan.
Might seem harsh, but we NEED to make sure players are terrified of betting against themselves.
Post edited 2014-10-21 00:48:41
As per for myself I love watching CS as is since probably early 2000s (no streams back then, but its not the point) and it just feels awkward when you're cheering for a team you live the match and maybe express, share some feelings with the team, but then find out they lost on purpose just feels awkward, cant expain, liek it doesnt touch u, u just dont feel anything its like WTF hahah :)
Im glad thousands of ppl will read this article and those caught players will do the same and hope their faecs become red behind their screens there :)
but its ok, life goes on...
In your case it would be legit tho, cause you bet shitty skins.
Are you for real?
Betting from main account is part where you see problem?
"Anyway it was a big mistake to bet from main accounts" - are you fucking kidding me ? :D
This is all about some of your players (and i bet even yourself) didnt come clean with the admins to begin with, i dont care if they throw the game, but it shouldnt be costfull to others in a betting site - not to speak about esportsventure who also had the bet up.
This is a disgrace to CSGO and all of you who are involved in this, really should start looking for another hobby - cause it seems like your desperate to win money because your too shit to win any money in the game yourself.
I lost all respect i had for you and your team just with that comment you wrote, and i will surely let Rolf know about this aswell. good day loser
Anyway i dont know how could you post that thing without waiting for official statements, but it seems like what people say about you is pure truth. good day true loser :D
Stop playing stupid, you can see, from multiple posts that your players all bet on this match, including rallen mouz his gf and even you - sure maybe your manager knows about it, but i will surely let Rolf know this myself - not only did his players act in a betting scandal, but they as a top team in EPS poland didnt report this to ESL? How do you think sponsors will look on this situation? I know your very new to joining a big organisation etc, but please, use ur fucking brain and stop coming with most STUPID statements ive ever read .
Yet again, what people say about me? that i say my opinion ? why the fuck should i wait for a statement? i can look into the evidence provided, i can look at your steam accounts - thats it.
"we are not so stupid to risk that big organisation to some shit" - just with your statements before, it said EVERYTHING about you :)
And yes i also lost skins on this, hence why i do a little about it, and since ESC is my old home and the organisation i care most about, i cant let little fuckers like u ruining that name :)
Post edited 2014-10-21 12:08:30
About salary you did get - well, deserved.
Nice comeback when 3 of your players is involved in a betting scandal. rofl
Post edited 2014-10-21 12:24:20
you have proof, and you should do something.
if you do it NOW, you will stop same situations later!
I rate this as the same at cheating in csgo: I believe a VAC/ tournament ban is in order.
Post edited 2014-10-21 00:51:42
this one explains everything.
i was wondering why he is going sth like this.
btw for those who doesn't know the prices,
st asiimov ft is 240$ ( unbetable )
3x ft asiimov around 200 usd ( betable )
Post edited 2014-10-21 00:53:17
Also if these people were banned from csgl, why hasn't neo, pasha, taz been banned as well?
Post edited 2014-10-21 00:59:34
Diamon's 3rd account, his team ALSEN vs Giants, he also bet on themselves :)
They lost obviously
Post edited 2014-10-21 00:56:38
my bet: http://imgur.com/a/NG6Qc#0
i hope at least if you couldn't give back skinks please talk to the ESL management to give ban for ALSEN for suck a movements from their side
Post edited 2014-10-21 11:54:23
its a polish article but basicaly they write that esl is strongly against bets and that they dont allow players of the league or staff bet on any matches that they are involved with...
Its about ESL Major Evenet like EMS One Katowice or ESL One Cologne, nothing about Regional leagues
BTW: Alsen will get MAJOR points in EPS ;]
There are no words about bets in EPS POLAND CSGO rules.
CSGOL can't give back skins they don't have.
Only the top tier1 teams have no incentive to throw. You always gotta consider both throwing and ddos when making your calculations. It's just a part of the game (until there's way to prevent them in the future).
Post edited 2014-10-21 01:03:25
They litteraly win more if they throw the match. Who sans say no to freeskins? Even the pro throws (VP.)
Post edited 2014-10-21 01:03:49
Alsen vs iThrowPower.
See who throws the hardest!
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Post edited 2014-10-21 01:10:31
And ofc get DQ from the league and lan's in the near future :)
HOPE THE BEST FOR ALL OF YOUR THAT HAD A BET ON THAT MATCH! :)
Post edited 2014-10-21 01:09:34
The throwers probably removed the skins from CSGOL ASAP to avoid getting their new skins taken away.
The rules also state that the tournament-hosts need to announce suspicion of cheat/throw BEFORE drafts begin. Which means CSGOL can't do anything and won't do anything.
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that he bet on his team
but in this post:
he inform that he have 2 more valuable acc which bet on opponents. He is proud of himselve and he is happy to know how much his teammates, Norbiak and rest get.
"easy life easy skin, also skins from the most expensive account were skipped" (I think he means that csgl/hltvorg didn't post the ss / didn't find that account)
"ALSEN > IBP" (nothing to translate here xd)
"boast of how much did YOU earn? cause I already know about mouz, rallen and norbiak" (these 3 knew about the throw before the match)
It's not a perfect translation, but you get the point. And his polish is TERRIBLE, so that also makes it harder to translate :D .
He told that many teams do this same shit so its nothing bad. He is angry that csgl blocked his 1000$ value acc.
Probably should have thought before posting this sajlent.
I still think that the betting is great, and i enjoy it myself, its a nice thing and i makes more interest into the game, but when things like this happen then its sad, the whole community is in an akward situation now, ppl's idols stealing their money, thats what this actually is, ppl stop supporting ppl that do these kind of things, and support the real ones!!
A lot could be said about skins and match betting in CS:GO and even more about ‘match fixing’ situations. The truth is that as an organisation, we were always against adding our matches to the CSGO Lounge site because of the possibility of unfair play. There were plenty of similar situations and other teams were caught cheating in a similar manner. Sometimes these accusations were true and sometimes just the opposite. Unfortunately, our last game against ELIMINACJA was added to the CSGL site and just like most people think, someone decided to take advantage of this. The question is who, was it our team or our rivals? We are very unhappy with the fact that most people blame our organisation, which is not guilty of anything. Our organisation did not profit from this situation at all, however we are very sorry that a lot of people who believed in our players lost their skins. We will investigate this case further and we will take necessary steps to avoid these kinds of situations in the future.
Pawe; „Pawcio” Watemborski
Post edited 2014-10-21 01:14:37
około minuty temu
Połowa teamów tak robi na świecie, tylko z tym, że dostaliśmy extra fejm, gdyby oczywiście nie kilka osób która w tym pomogła "
"half of all teams do like this, only we were got extra hate because of a few "helpers"(he means traitors)"
So like i said. Dont be overexcited. It is a small fish case while big fish are still in the water :D
Polish e-sport site in their article http://cybersport.pl/artykul,28752,gracze-alsen-te.. writes:
Jak na razie, tylko diamon zamiescil wypowiedz o calej aferze. Szybko ja jednak skasowal
which translates to:
As for now only diamon commented on the issue, however he already deleted his comment.
Post edited 2014-10-21 13:59:10
More ppl who knew:
- r0lka (bCk friend from Alsen cod4 team) http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/765611979924500..
- mynio (eliminacja player) http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/765611979852467..
- minise http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/765611979896204..
- Angie (mouz (from ESC) girlfriend)
Michi from Alsen bet on 3 other accounts of his friends too :)
Post edited 2014-10-21 01:23:34
disband or riot
but if a recognizable player competing in EPS, such as rallen (who took advantage of the situation), warned everybody or reported this it could have easily been prevented..
Now they made the video private, hahahah.
It's like watching Denial (former LunatiK) lose 16-5 or so on Mirage to a team, they go on to beat 16-6 on Mirage the next day (CEVO and ESEA had map pools line up).
It's honestly sad, that CSGOLounge was made aware of this situation, way before game start, and still decided to do nothing. They could've started the investigation prior to the game, and closed the game, due to matchfixing, prior to it becomming an issue - ending up stealing skins away from the community.
But yeah. The toxicity is real.
"a team" could have taken CEVO/ESEA more seriously than Denial, or Denial could have taken CEVO/ESEA less seriously
i believe they focused more on CEVO
Can't imagine that they're handling it different in Poland or in any other country.
So, imo it's rather a task for the prosecution than it is for the ESL and the question of being banned from further CS competition.
Thx Poland, best education.
If even pro teams like VP and iBP have had some history with throws of course that the same will happen with these nobodies like ALSEN. I dont blame the guys to be honest, it's easy money. I blame lounge for accepting these games on their site when it's obvious that the throw potential is huge
Berlusoni is drowning in skins right now
Fucking shame on y'all.
Also, they should be part of some "shame list (cly, emilio, nille)" and never be accepted in any cs:go team/tournament.
oh thank you sweet jesus for choking me to not bet 3 keys on alsen xD
Thanks to the people who were bewaring us of the throw!!!
love u guys!
If this (and DDoS also) keeps going on, we will probably see a lot sponsors, and potential ones, stop to give their contribute to online tournaments. It's a shame, we all lose. Counter strike as lots of potential to be huge eSport, people in a few years can watch it at home like we now watch football. Wake up Valve, do something to stop this, you have a diamond on your hands.
The next day Hiko has souvenir dragon lore.
isnt it funny that you have thief in national team considering stereotypes about your country?:D
we need to be absolutely ruthless with people like these, they deserve to have their names remembered in a hall of shame and be barred from playing in the high-level competitive leagues for at least a few years, and then for life if it happens again.
that kind of severity is what happnes to match-fixers in professional sports and we should follow that example. there is literally no excuse for this. none. this is cancer. people who do this are cancer.
P.S Bann for 10 years @ ESL! And put in jail like f0rest... but seriously shame!
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I'm not a LoL player, but i'm pretty sure that if a LoLproplayer got caught doing some shitty like that.. yea he would be banned for at least 6 months.
from his facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AMNESIAdiamon
"I am very sorry because CSGOLounge blocked my account where I could pull skins worth $ 1000, but do not worry, not long! Tomorrow a stream of case opening and give away!"
Post edited 2014-10-21 03:18:56
@edit: also i think csgolounge should ban them forever, every account, no more bets for dickheads ever.
Post edited 2014-10-21 03:28:09
"...CSGOLounge blocked my account where I could pull skins worth $ 1000..."
Boycott this ridiculous tournament already.
Now lets hope USA Mafia get wrecked, when netcode had 15% chance of winning and dazed threw for some cash.
Post edited 2014-10-21 03:40:31
shame on alsen tho
MERKULES DA BOSS
Can not be helped if not got it,
all game all day DDos and Offensive language etc, but they should serious playing ? bet site should anti DDos and send margin for player,
sorry if english wrong
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Oh...and don't leave too many guns in your returns either...never know when they'll pull up the drawbridge and bugger off with all your stuff!
But seriously, how fucking pathetic are these scrub pros right now, so much 322 going on like holy fuck!!!
Famous 322... XD
Post edited 2014-10-21 07:15:59
they play for money
skins - ez money ez life
Post edited 2014-10-21 07:58:24
21820 people placed 62798 items.
It's not only about how much they earned. It's also about how much people lost. In normal sport people can go to prison for fixing matches.
I don't see any other option than BAN from all major leagues all Alsen players. I can't think what punishment can get rallen, mouz, norbiak and others who were involved. They didn't play the match but simply know about the throw and decided to participate in this scam. This makes them also guilty.
They need to get ban in every league/tournament to avoid this kind of situation. If admins/organizations won't react, we will see this shit coming again in 2015 also.
It's all about skins now.
When you're betting on horses there's less chances that you get caught since it's anonymous, but on a computer there's still the ip, the steam id etcetera.
CSGOlounge should be removed and the benefit would be no more of these shits, but on the other hand it just will divide the number of viewers.
ban these lowlifers from all leagues, tournaments and csgl.
and just never add those no name matches again, too easy for them to get money.
also the ESC players who bet on this match, knowing it'll be a throw should be banned like the others as well.
no more throw matches for skins
Moving step foward - i would even ban ESC guys since they knew and made profit out of it. Ill repeat - they made profit out of illegal act. We need a good lesson for others who do this, ban them all.
Thank you brainless Diamon for letting us know that ESC took part in it.
Post edited 2014-10-21 09:12:19
They won more than their entire family earns in a month.
VP did exactly that back in the spring.
Post edited 2014-10-21 10:01:12
Yes I do.
Throwing vs stealing skins. Some may consider what VP did not as bad, but still they tried to steal skins which is very despicable. Hence, I consider neo, pasha and taz opportunistic thieves.
vp used their uniqe information to steal skines from ppl like you and me... this is robbery .. yet it is not like this alsen thing but still it is very sick.
this polish scene ...
Post edited 2014-10-21 10:50:14
You guys should look at Nooky's inventory, ex-mouz captain. He earned most of his inventory betting on himself (but that's legal), not if chrisJ was obviously cheating that day.
Post edited 2014-10-21 10:16:01
Pretty sure all of them failed English at school.
But for me more confusig is that they were caught. How brainless you must be to bet against your team from your own acc/ip?
CSGOLounge isn't killing CS:GO. It's retarded teams throwing matches that is killing CS:GO.
Leagues need to start banning players to form an example. In Korea, KeSPA banned the StarCraft players throwing matches for life. Now it's very rare for someone to throw a match. If ESL did the same, no one would be throwing matches.
edit: And about DDoS. Professional players need to take responsibility. If you're playing an important match, protect yourself. It really is not difficult at all.
Post edited 2014-10-21 11:06:29
When players actually have so low morals that they lose on purpose, it would not surprise me if those are the types who cheat aswell to get money.
Eastern Europeans just keep impressing.
P.S. I made a small bet on Team Eliminacja just cause it was Dust 2 !
No skins = -80.000 viewers, minimal DDoS, enjoyable game, enjoyable for spectating, no throws...
Sad that 60% of cummunity is playing/watching only because of the skins, csgo was much better before their implementation
he was already a retard back in cod4 days, looks like he hasn't changed at all. lel
Every crime should finish with a punishment, and this one should be rigorous enough to prevent others from trying. 21820 people placed 62798 items. I wish they all finish with cases in court if it is only possible.
I'm not surprised by such behavior.
no wonder stuff like this happens because its a low-tier game where the noname players have no respect towards the tournament and fair play. all they care about is themselves.
unless they can make a quick buck out of it. multiple csgolounge admins were made aware of at least 1 of these bets before the match started
Where is the proof? They we cant see that "proof"?
Post edited 2014-10-21 14:06:54
Thats the pic from one of dia's alts. Did you guys notice that he also bet against his team vs Giants? So this isn't even the first time they have thrown...
I didn't bet on this game, and I'm glad. But these kids should be barred from playing in any future events again, for sure.
Official statement in Polish and English on alsen fanpage.
Post edited 2014-10-21 14:54:02
alternate throwing HLTV confirmed
Post edited 2014-10-21 14:51:32
Also diamon inventory and ss of his wining from news:
Many items are the same as with ss from news (stickers are just easy example you can see on first page)
What i am wondering is if we need to send in The United Nations in polandations in poland, to help The people of This poor country WHO have to resort to crimin criminal behaviour just to survive...
Minimum 2 year ban on all competitive esports matches/cups/lan sounds reasonable. Offer 6month shorter ban if they donate their illegal winnings to the victims.
Send the message to the community that cheating will not be tolerated and create punishment that really deters such actions.
Counter Strike is teamplay FPS or I have missed something ...
Secondly: This is a problem! this is very likely happening a lot and the only solutions I can think of is to punish these players hard and not to add unimportant matches to a betting site.
This will definitely happen again since if they just log in to a different account on a different pc (school/friends pc idk) they would almost be no proof of them doing this unless it was deeply investigated.
Last of all: These players should be punished in real life for all the skins they stole and all the skins people who bet on them lost, but this probably isn't legally possible. But they definitely should be banned from every major league/tournament for at least 3 years. Losing their organisation is way too light of a punishment. The other people who took advantage of this should be punished as well.
Great idea, but not in CSGO...
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They're not a good enough team to make it to LANs.
They have no business being on CSGOLounge. I would blame CSGL for this.
From an ethics stand point doing this is not ok.
From a business stand point it wouldn't make sense not to do it.
I'm not gonna sit here like a hypocrite and tell you how awful this is. I would do it too. I'd feel bad for the people that bet on me but I would do it.
And if you think this is the only time this has happened look at every tournament so far where the match they played didn't count or the prize money was small.
Lounge admins need to stop adding no name teams on there. And if they still do it add a betting limit based on the value of your inventory/returns.
For example if your inventory is worth $50 you're only allowed to bet 20% of that on a certain game. On trusted games that have big teams you can bet the full $50.
And CSGL if you guys end up using this I'm gonna politely ask for commission in the form of a knife because I'm fucking awful at betting and I won't ever be able to make that much money.
Post edited 2014-10-21 17:43:55
This would happen so often, most people are just not as big of idiots as these three to use their own accounts to bet.