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Former Titan member Hovik "KQLY" Tovmassian has admitted that his VAC ban was justified and that he tried a cheating software for a week.
Hovik "KQLY" Tovmassian was on Thursday handed a VAC bac, which cost him his place on the team and resulted in Titan being disqualified from DreamHack Winter.
In a statement issued on his Facebook page, Tovmassian apologised to his fans and to his team and admitted that he tried a cheating program after being convinced by its developer that many professional players were using it.
However, the French player stressed that he only used it for a week, and it was before joining Titan, thus rejecting suggestions that he had used it in competitive tournaments.
"As you saw yesterday, I was banned by VAC and unfortunately it was justified," he wrote on Facebook.
"I wanted to say that I'm really sorry to all the people who supported me, I am aware that with this bullsh*t my career is now over and my team are a very bad position. They did not deserve that.
"At the end of August, I was contacted by a supex0 progammer, who built a strong case and told me that a lot of pros were using the program.
"Instantly, I became curious. He gave me access to the program for seven days. Like an idiot, I fell into temptation, which was too great. I wanted to see what it looked like on public servers and matchmaking.
"I did not use it after that. I was going to join Titan and I did not need to take unnecessary risks while I had all that I needed: a top team, with a solid structure behind it. My curiosity failed me and now my career is over CS after 12 years.
"I lost everything and I do not expect any compassion, I made a mistake and I will pay it for it. Unfortunately everything ends here. Once again, I'm really sorry to have disappointed everyone."
remember remember 20 of november =D
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Considering his statement, he used hacks in MM, at the end of August, for 7 days. How on earth would it affect his official matches?!
I know it shouldn't happen anyways, but It's like banning Cristiano Ronaldo from football, because he did cheat his neighbour while playing fifa15 last weekend :o
At least we know why kuben is not going to come back. He was caught using a wh in an official match back in the day, before joining g5 lineup in 1.6. I'm sure his account is, or will be in the next wave, banned forever!
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Also, for a video game, as the same as in real life, it is reasonable that you will get attracted once you have a big 'chance' like KQLY faced to gain such 'advantages' during game period. No matter whether you cheat or not, and how you cheat, this activity is understandable, and people who get cheated should be those who are really mad, but not us.
People are way too harsh with things that they aren't really involved. I'd like to 'give' KQLY a 'chance', but I don't know what 'chance' I can give - so do all the naive people. I think which is just to be nice for everything happened in CSGO. From time to time I saw this as a joke, not a chance to criticize or talk shit in some noob forum. At least all of them are not illegal in real life.
This sounds like 'get a real life noobs & trolls in HLTV', but this is what I want to say.
(I'm here not for a debate)
Furthermore this is not just a game. It is a profession to some people, and they put many many hours of their life into it. By taking a legit pro players place in lets say a major, he basically steals his money.
That analogy with the incarceration in the States, you have to be a complete moron for to think that it would work on any level. So basically you're comparing VAC ban to a prison sentence? Or do you think that VAC banning works for-profit purposes?
The reason why the judiciary system and the length of the sentences in the US are shit is because putting people into prison for minor offenses is not only dumb but counter-productive, there is a widespread consensus within the criminologists - that the major cause for crime is poverty and poor possibilities to enhance own life, lack of choices and the environmental pressure, that comes with living in the 'prospects'.
VAC ban however, is to punish those who are getting an unfair advantage by perfomance enhancing programs in a videogame, good analogy for that would be the use of doping in professional sports.
The severe punishments are necessary, but even more important is to get the risk of getting caught as high as possible.
Using that analogy with doping, if there is almost no tests for it and the likelihood of punishment is low (like for example in the NHL) it will be used by pretty much everyone.
However if there are continuous and extensive tests and attempts to catch people and there is a career ending punishment on the line for the ones that do get caught, you will see how the use of doping is much, much less common. Sure, you can never stop people from trying but it will be less rational with the huge chance of getting caught.
KQLY should never be given another chance in CS, ever again. This case should work as an example of how you're career is over once you get caught and that even with private hacks you are not safe.
He admitted that he cheated in an unofficial conditions, he received the timed ban for it. No other actions should be taken, because with what we know, we can only assume that all he did in official matches was legit.
Back in the day players used wh to check wallbanging spots - so what?! They didn't cheat in the official matches, that's all.
If the information released was accurate, then the hack could turn a medicore player into a pro level aimer as well.
In addition even if the 30% bracket was being used, the resultant increase in hits on target and damage done could turn a better than average ESEA pugger into a high level player.
The missing information is clarity as to how long it's been used. I'm disinclined to believe either of the statements that the hack was only used for 'one week', or 'one mm game'.
"I did not use it after that. I was going to join Titan and I did not need to take unnecessary risks
Who trust him?, for only used for fun?:D
sorry for reply :D
I know of no reason
why the sneaking and cheating
should ever quite be forgot
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maybe the whole truth comes out later
Edit: I think NiaK Said something like that he was using the cheats on an alternate account, but I cannot find that statement anymore.
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with no further proof, your suspections don't matter to anybody
See through the shit people spoon feed you once in a while - not everyone is being 100% honest all the time.
The proof in his VAC ban, so he is the one that'd need to counter it, providing proof of him cheating for the seven days only. In the end, I agree it doesn't matter.
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I mean why would they get in touch with private cheat maker and pay money to get private cheats that are specifically made to be used in LAN environment if they just wanted to casually use them on matchmaking? I mean it makes no sense. And why on earth would they use their main accounts? I have hard time to believe that they would be so stupid.
He had to change PC to not get banned.
I was proud of VALVe that day :D
nah, i think he was alluded with the cheatsuppliers' words about how undetectable and safe the cheat was, so he just didn't bother with it.
if it wasn't for simon, it would had never came up either.
yeah, definitely smell of bullshit.
HANG THEM BY THE BALLS
Lets face it, he couldnt admit that.
get the fuck outta here.
Post edited 2014-11-21 23:15:15
1 -playing on a high level with a cheat.
2 -saying he cheated in MM
dude seriously ..
TIME FOR BACK TO ARMENIA
i would've expected it if he was 13yo and his curiousity could take over.. but a grown man... nah, no compassion.
you're comparing a cheater on a computer game to a serial killer
kinda low life xD
Serial killers brake the law, cheater brake the law (ingame, event rules)
that's the same
noone deserves sec chance
I shouldn't be allowed a second chance because I broke the law ofc as well as half of the world
"that's the same"
THAT'S THE SAME
sorry bro, we are not so retarded to believe your bullshit.
“I did not use it after that[...]"
AHAHAH "Yeah this one guy just came to me and asked if I wanted to try out this private cheat and I thought why not... get real kiddo.
he used it in pro matches too
you could EASY see skill difference when he streamed/played offstream
i got 1 matchmaking demo of him blatantly aimbotting and that was in 2013 with clan mystic
When you play with your own team you have better teamplay, better mates, more informations and ofc you play better.
Using his knowledge of the cheat and working with leagues/organizations to catch other users would get him some respect.
You really think Valve stores such in-depth volumes of historic data that after getting the details of the hack from ESEA a couple weeks ago, they were able to go back and interrogate all gameplay data from the last 3 months and detect that he used this cheat in August?
Think about it a bit deeper, why in fuck hell would a professional CS player "try" to use a cheat on his main acc? Do you realize how patheticly poor that excuse is?
No one with a brian would do that, and I don't believe that KQLY is legally retarded, It's way more likely that he used the cheat more than that.
suuuure you did.
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smn said that list was actually his, 95% sure that it was correct, and maybe 30-40% of the pro scene cheat. Rizla/DEVGRUsson said 1 year ago that smn, Sf cheated and others definitely did too.
That means potentially 3/5 fnatic players cheat, some players in VP cheat, apEX cheats, kioShiMa cheats, etc.
Jesus Christ, what the fuck.
in every other "my speculations are facts" thread or reply you read, there's talk about several players and then "some players in vp".
what's the matter? did your imagination stop at this point to point any fingers at specific vp players?
The list by crZy (that smn first claims to strux1 is not his but later says it was his on his stream chat) only lists "Virtus.pro (dont know exactly which players from VP)".
I thought it was absolute bullshit at first but after seeing that post from 1 whole fucking year ago mention 2 banned cheaters and smn say that the list was his on stream, that list now has validity.
Sure smn could just be taking credit and making shit up but what benefit would he get? He's already scum of the pro scene.
More like "once i realized that it is VAC secured I used it for a long time as many people use it".
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though his approach to lying is a bit better- amitting using the cheats but "only in publics for a week". It's a bit better than "I brrowed my account to a friend" but still, it's so fucking pathetic. Noone who's not an idiot or a fanboy won't believe this. GTFO, have a good vacation noob
Also it's actually pretty weird, that the developer contacted him and not vice versa...considering that these type of private hacks are kept very secret. The devs put a lot of work into them and they make a shitload of money every month (the number of users is limited and the users need to pay every month). KQLY could have acted like he's interested but then reveal everything to the public..
That story sounds fishy
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TELL US WHO
JW, olofmeister, kioshima, kennyS, pauf, pyth, chrisJ and tabseN are all to come.
now you can think what teams and what players :)
Players will stop using it as they probably been warned and don't want their careers to end.
And DH will be full of surprises. WIN/WIN VOLVO
They just made an exemple out of those 3.
That's a fact. They can't do anything else, would ruin their event and make the scene look (even more) like shit.
Post edited 2014-11-22 07:22:56
At least he admitted it.
is not over yet!! popcorn readY
Also on the other thread, NiaK said that he cheated on another account, like that's literally the worst bullshit ever cause then you wouldn't get your main account banned.
All I hear is "bla bla bla...I'm a stupid cunt like the rest of the stupid cunts."
Post edited 2014-11-21 23:34:14
Another Mistake by Volvo.
He was u frend,he love U.
But now he kill U!
But no respect for cheaters. Sorry KQLY. You had everything. You played in the TOP team and you all screwed up.
I mean... just look at sf, "he used it once on MM"... pathetic :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
A nobody in source and a nobody in csgo without cheats
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>Gets banned on main account
I don't bite this story, it seems to stupid to be real. Why would a guy that had contacts to join titan (at the time the best french team on paper) use a cheat on MM? Makes no sense at all.
And even worse.. "I tried it because some random dude told me the other kids were using it too."
Is he 12? jesus
Though, I want to point out in any other professional sporting leagues, the organization is not punished for the act/crimes of its players. If a player beats his wife, uses performance enhancers, etc. they are dealt with by the organization, league, and perhaps legal system if need be. The league DOES NOT ban the organization from competing and winning championships.
He is trying to cover the little ass he has here.
dota players is a cheaters kappa
He was good without it. Just curious but use it on your legit account(stupid)? Why not use it on another if you are only curious. Why risk a nice career???
Even if that's true, then fuck temptation man, your career is over. Boom, you are out, no longer respect, fans, money, prestige and improvement.
You are done in CSGO and possibly any other serious competitive game.
Man, I'm so disappointed. Even though I did not really like him I admired his skills and performance, the problem is - was that skill? or was it the cheat? I have no clue now.
Even though I did not like him, I was curious how he was doing. He was becoming better and better in the recent days. 3 kills CLUTCH with AWP vs Virtus on Cache! That was impressive - was that skill or cheat though?
Some of his peeks and AWP kills were crazy - I was saying "No fucking way man", but then he was the "pro" - he spent his life playing this game for money and getting decent results, and I'm a filthy bottom feeder in CSGO - I'm noone compared to him. What now? Where is his real skill?
Fail, big time. It's sad to see "pro" players do this shit.
Post edited 2014-11-22 00:10:59
It's so damn pathetic that neither you or Sf (and others before this) can come clean about it instead of trying to pull off the worst lies ever. The whole scene knows what it's about but you still try to make it sound better? That's so damn pathetic.
Post edited 2014-11-22 00:12:56
- if kqly wanted to just "test" the cheat, he would have known that if he does it on his own pc, it doesnt matter which steam account he takes, he will get banned anyway. so he would have tested it on another computer with another IP and on a new steam account with no connection to his own steam acc. everything else makes no sense.
- if kqly would have admited that he cheated for a long period now, titan would be in huge trouble since tournament funds are in danger and would maybe be reclaimed by the losers team. even judicial steps against titan are possible.
this statement tries to talk down the issues completely. i dont believe him a single word here.
i feel so sorry for the rest of the titan members :/
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Wow! It's spIder! You're still alive :D
Haven't heard of you since many years. Good to know you're still sticking around.
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Well dip my balls in cream and squat me in a kitchen full of kittens.
Frankly, did they have a choice? If 30 players are currently using this cheat then who are they? Can a decent algorithm determine which teams statistics shot up over a specific period of time? Is this why NiPs performance dropped dramatically..because the teams they played with were indeed using this cheat?
Fnatic hit the spotlight for quite some time...
Titans new roster seemed to boost their performance and then we figured out why.
And somehow i doubt that valve still has anti cheat logs from August. I can be wrong though.
I think valve should give a statement here. I mean they could just say if they actually only detected a cheat in August. This would in no way compromise their detection methods or give cheat coders any advantages.
Post edited 2014-11-22 01:17:31
BECAUSE THE DETECTION OF THIS CHEAT WAS SET ONLY 10 DAYS AGO BY VALVE ????
But cmon , you was cheating on MM , remember when you played MM and others had uses cheats - you was very angry.
To say , what did you just said to all of us its a big step ( and i hope we all gave you chance , and you will coming back strong) but the punishment must be done.
Enjoy you ban.
Keep you head up ,see you in the future!
or he DID cheated in online tournament
"I tested it for one week..." - seriously?
So you've been told point blank this cheat is being used by your professional competition.
You then 'test it', see that it does actually work as advertised, and then instead of contacting your organisation with the evidence - (or indeed Valve!!), you decide to just keep it all to yourself and say nothing.
All the while knowing you'll be playing against other professionals who apparently use this shit even on LAN and therefore that you and your team mates are being cheated out of your rightful professional earnings..?
Yeah....sounds legit to me. Fuck off.
If the latter happens, the shitstorm would be much bigger for Titan.His career is over anyway, he's just trying to lessen the damage he takes since if titan get ripped from theirt stockholm title etc, they could sue him and that might not be very good.
In fact Titan then made an official announcement in which they effectively confirmed that was the case.
There is no doubt he's full of shit, and by extension therefore there's no doubt Titan have looked at this and decided it benefits them to maintain that lie.
After that clear attempt to manipulate the situation in order to keep their financial revenue from employing a cheat, I can't see why anyone would have sympathy for Titan (not necessarily the players) after their expulsion.
// tl;dr KQLY obviously lying, even if not before then Titan now knows, but went with the same bs lies to protect the money they've already made. No sympathy for removal of Titan from DHW after announcement.
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This just makes me feel like he's happy to take the blame for a so-called 7-day trial. That looks like he's been using it A LOT MORE than that.
or do a deep investigation .. not like a fckn overwatch !
And a second chance? No way in hell that'd happen. Especially when he's trying to bullshit us all by saying that he have been trying the cheat from some random guy and it was all of pure curiousity.
Hah, anyone with a brain wouldn't be stupid enough to buy that story, nah man.
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no one spends 800 euros to cheat in fucking mm for a week
and if his story is somehow true hes STILL a piece of shit because the coder tells him about all these other pros cheating and he does nothing about it? doesn't tell the rest of his team? fuck off
That's the most stupid thing I've ever read.
P.S. "lot of pros were using the program" it is fucking scary
Vacation after dhw incomiiing
Post edited 2014-11-22 09:33:10
Ofcourse hes only gonna tell you for a week before he joined titan its like entering a guilty plea u accept u was wrong but theres always circumstances. I suspect there was quite a few who have "tried" it that are now shitting themselves
No one will cheat at DH, they are shitting in their paints. Maybe we will see another final Nip vs VP.
Post edited 2014-11-22 12:34:53
Lying prick, your career is over anyway, at least have the dignity to tell the truth.
For example, for those of you who get them, call centers on phones calling your house offering you these 'amazing new deals everyone is getting one time only offer' - any person over 16 should have better control of their lives.
I think he is telling half the story here, need more information to be honest.
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But here is my question, when pros are contacted by a programmer offering them a weeks access to a hack that they claim is being used widely by other pros, why not take those access details and turn them over to valve so they can test it for a week and create detection systems for it??
This would also seem to suggest the coders contact a number of pros to get them to test it in the hope they will purchase it. Do none of these pros contacted decide to give the information to Valve?
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KennyS always been better than kukly without cheat xD
or speculating right thorin? cause our opinion is worthless and u have the gift of righteousness. now that i saw his shots and some kenny shots. they look a like. inhuman reactions.
hahahahahahaha check it GUYS ! :D