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Fnatic have forfeited the third map against LDLC that was supposed to be replayed today. LDLC will therefore move on to the semi-final against Natus Vincere.
According to DreamHack officials, fnatic reported to them that they decided to forfeit the third map against LDLC.
The third map that was originally won by fnatic 16-13 last night was supposed to be replayed today "due to texture transparency and immortal bug used by both teams", but after fnatic's decision LDLC will be moving on to the semi-final against Natus Vincere scheduled for .
Fnatic have released a statement on their Facebook page:
"Yesterday we competed against LDLC, in one of our toughest matches of the year. However, the result caused a considerable distraction from the joy and excitement that a CS:GO Major should provide the community.
The best matches are still to come, and we want to make sure they get the attention they deserve. With tremendous respect towards the CS:GO community and other teams we have decided to withdraw from the tournament.
Fnatic and the players would like to thank everyone who helped us become, and we look forward to play many events to come.
- Fnatic players and management."
We will still try to conduct an interview with Fnatic's reprentatives later today.
Post edited 2014-11-29 14:42:48
ban cheaters from all leagues if VAC cant caught them
Post edited 2014-11-29 14:51:48
Whether LDLC appealed, what matters is what it says in the rules. If you wear red socks and tomorrow your country enact law prohibits this, you can not be punished. Everything that is not forbidden is allowed. That simple.
LDLC's boost was also not based on a bug, while fnatic should have reported it to the devs months ago when they found out about it.
That last point is less important because all teams say they would have kept it if legit so.
The only team at fault here is ldlc. Everyone is victimizing fnatic for no reason, they found a better and 10x more legal boost, and they got fucked over by the community and dreamhack.
So Technically it was illegal, it was also a unproffesional exploit by BOTH teams. And a good decision by the Dreamhack admins.
And if youre a Fnatic fanboy just like me, you have to open your mind to share your oppinion on this.
If the prohibition of boost is actually written in the rulebook, I agree with you that the decision of the organization was correct.
My mind is open. And yours?
Post edited 2014-11-29 15:29:29
i don't have my Pick’em Challenge GOLD because i bet for fnatic but i still happy because someone finally punishment somehow to fnatic. as they come in violation of all known rules within the game.
definitely the dirtiest team I've ever seen in the history of CS from the first big tournaments like CPL ESWC etc etc in 1.6
Carn should not let this happen to your team even if he need to leave the top1 because when everything is finally discovered i think he can end up worse.
but i really think NIP, NAVI and VP at least should discuss whether they should take any action for this mishandling of DH.
I sure if they leave the tournament, DH lost all his sponsors and never again organize a tournament of CS.
DH made it clear that there is no specific rule for this situation and that many teams use these bugs... then clearly they solved this issue according to LOGIC I guess. ok then using logic. How LDLC can be punished in the same way that FNATIC? no logic in that and you can ask any representative of any team that is participating in DH even titan and epsilon and I'm sure all agree that it is unfair to penalize both in the same way.
This is what DH is doing by sending a replay all match. penalize both equally when the logic clearly shows that the boost made by LDLC not give the same benefits as done by FNATIC. No need to be a professional player to realize that.
Since we do not have a rule that penalizes both teams equally to make these boost, then also must be use "LOGIC" for impart his punishment
what made LDLC may be punished or not like when other teams found boosts in inferno and other maps which later was removed but the teams were not punished because they don't get excessive advantage as if it is done for fnatic.
but OKEY OKEY... DH want to be drastic and punish LDLC? okay... But how? DH pretend to punish the same way to fnatic when they had a virtually panoramic of the entire map and got kills everywhere ... WHERE IS THE LOGIC?
----- this is disgusting and exceeds all limits of tolerance : https://twitter.com/lurppis_/status/53845578576090..
----- How all pro scene (pro players, coaches , managers) commentators (from ESL, ESEA, TWITCH, ETC) and specialized people can see that the decision taken by DREAMHACK is a joke and they can not realize for this? the whole community is united against this decision .
They think all the other 12 or 16 professional teams hate to fnatic? all expert commentators hate to fnatic? all other organizations like ESEA, ESL hate to fnatic? and all shown their dissatisfaction in social networks with the decision taken by DH to repeat the whole match
only dreamhack can not see the mistake that is committing...
Post edited 2014-11-29 15:10:20
... jokes, hate fnatic especially JW ugly dog. lataz cheaters
Post edited 2014-11-29 15:05:31
Overpass was already CT sided ..this boost made it 90% CT 10% T, moron.
Post edited 2014-11-29 16:10:28
Whenever you face something like this boost, even if it could only distantly break any rules than don't do it or consult with admins/ref.
This step probably came from somebody higher than the players, they need to keep some kin of reputation, otherwise even the sponsors will start to leave them.
Perfect example of how cancerous it is to the CS scene having kids gamble their shit away.
Post edited 2014-11-29 14:47:06
But not the fact they LITERALLY cheated for what seems to be a good 14 rounds on overpass?
Fnatic lost every bit of respect from anyone who actually has a braincell.
Post edited 2014-11-29 15:03:32
First, they removed the pixelwalking from the rulebook.
Second, you lose a round everytime you use that boost, In that case LDLC already won.
I dont expect you to see the rational side of it. But justice has been served.
By sponsors and fnatic ORg.
The player will remain to those low-life fucks as when they refused handshakes and shouted curses to Nip.
Remember People dont change.
They held this boost back for 2 months to abuse it at dreamhack! fnatic are pathetic fat cheater kids who are ruining counter-strike...if they can't hack, they have to abuse bugs!
GG WELL PLAYED -.-
2. Fnatic clearly doing damage control do save their severely tarnished reputation.
Post edited 2014-11-29 14:44:02
NBK's twitter rampage was at least as, if not more, unprofessional than fnatic's move on Overpass.
Post edited 2014-11-29 14:50:47
that he can't sleep because of that match? u are retard, fnatic deserves much more hate...
imho it was a cheap way to win the game, but it was won nontheless. If people need someone to blame for this, blame Valve that put this map in rotation, even after fixing previous boost-spots.
I can't blame NBK for this, and don't think his twitter posts is a rampage
I used to have massive respect for LDLC as a team, but I don't think they handled this situation right on any level.
Great logic, blame valve not the people that make the conscious decision to use those bugs.
Just like a soccer player might throw himself on the ground and cry as if his legs had been shattered, its all part of the game. Cheap moves might be cheap, but whatever wins you the games you need to win.
And tbh I think its unfair to compare the kind of bullying fnatic have been taking the last weeks, and the flack fiffy and the likes have been receiving.
Post edited 2014-11-29 15:09:16
If other pro players would've jumped him on social media (like Pita jumped flusha), it would've been a different story.
I just want this whole relentless hate-situation end. fnatic has been a big organization for years in CS and it'd be a shame for the current team to end like this.
They didn't have to do it, yet they chose this so kudos to them, I think this sends the right message to the community.
Fuck fanatic you dont deserve any respect, you finally relised what the right thing to do was and it was on time. Flusha, admit the cheat now or be embarassed later.
They weren't fair play, community reacted, they FFed, they made the right call.
It is natural to forgive, we're not judge&executioners here, we all make mistakes we learn from.
Hate 4 ever
Sorry, I was just trying to be as pathetic as you guys were yesterday.
Post edited 2014-11-29 14:43:55
It's a good thing that the whole community spoke out against the scum moves Fnatic made and it's good to see that our voice still counts.
fnatic PR reps for the organization forced their hand 100% when they saw the backlash and their credibility going down the drain last night.
so now with this move they hope to regain some respect from people and other players...it's very lame move from fnatic organization overall, especially from cArn as their CEO and Devilwalk as a coach
Love how they said they felt victimized by the community. When you play with cheats, the community wont like you ;)
So please don't spit on people who admit their mistakes, respect them for "at least" admitting they were wrong.
Thanks Fnatic, this removes a stone from my heart. Hopefully you have learned from this, and we can move on as a strong CS.GO community together. Let this be a lesson for all of us.
Post edited 2014-11-29 14:59:18
The only thing I am happy about in this, is that LDLC does not have to replay the damn match, they have already been raped enough. So whatever person who said they should "forfeit" got my respect, I would feel raped as well if LDLC had to replay that match, all that work for nothing.
Win or lose doesn't matter to me. The only thing that bothers me are injustice, and this entire situation has been anything but fair to LDLC. It could have been you or I in that situation, so of course it affects me. Whoever gets treated unfairly.
Edit: Another point I think of is that in Denmark we have this law saying "If you are aware of a crime, but you are not doing anything about it, you are also a part of the crime"
Valve had clearly said if the pro's found any bugs, they should report it, so they could co-operate to make the scene strong. But Fnatic was aware of this crime for 2 months, and decided to keep it secret. All in their team/org who were aware of this is part of the crime. Fnatic has for a long time been one of my favourite organisations, but they should really think about if they want to go on with these players, with those morale issues.
Post edited 2014-11-29 16:22:24
As for fnatic, respect. They don't need and deserve to take so much baseless shit from some 14yo kids who ate all the knowledge in the world.
Even NiP players were disguted by the fnatic move, and NiP is highly respected.
Stop hating french people, that's the only reason why you are on the fnatic side.
Also, I don't hate french people and have no idea how did you come to this conclusion. Maybe you are a little bit self-centered?
I am a fnatic fan ever since they first appeared in 1.6 and it has nothing to do with my supposed hate towards frenchies.
Third Whos is next?
Now they should forgive for being such retards. worst fnatic team since forver (in terms of people)
fnatic is the shame of CS:GO forever.
uhmmm you kinda did...
I think fnatic players got vac banned and dh was kind enough to let them leave with dignity
Plus them aimlocks.
upload date 10/11
you will never beat fnatic in face to face.
now they're in the semis, otherwise they wouldnt.
win this NiP/VP/NaVi
Post edited 2014-11-29 14:52:07
Much honor, wow
winning quarter against fnatic when you used the SAME boost and whining like little bitches.
LDLC lost all the respect today
My god, these kids did not even see their boost and talking... Go download the gotv replay and then come here again to talk.
This is a poor management of Dreamhack's side. And csgo is actually ruined by betting
pretty sad that it has come to this. all fnatic members being accused constantly isn't right and probably played a part in them not doing so great this major. anyway, nice seeing LDLC going through; they were the better team in the Overpass match, of course.
they probably did this because:
1. it's not fun when you're supposedly all cheaters and abusers of a map bug
2. integrity - they all look like massive assholes after doing this.
After the admins checked the rules they found that the boost was legal but some bugg had struck some weird transparity. None of the teams used this bugg but because the French were crying so much DH needed to do something.
Okey now Fnatic know that is way more cleaver for the brand to back out of the tournament and let LDLC win. I Really hope you all understand that this totally bullshit and Fnatic earned the win on a cheesy way in the first place. When the emotions from LDLC loss turns down people will realise this.
Good call cArn
ESL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DREAMHACK
Pussy can win only with cheats and bugs
Shame on you fnatic
Post edited 2014-11-29 14:57:08
LDLC's gave a lot of info, but fnatics was mental.
LDLC - http://youtu.be/RIrdvxH8uDg
fnatic - http://youtu.be/USeHh7xKMuo
Post edited 2014-11-29 14:58:43
Shame on you, haters. I don't think the current Fnatic will survive this hit, sadly.
so devilwalk, are you smiling now?
But they are try to play the innocent and the one to be the victim with they staitement !
honestly, knowiing about "mapbug" 2 months, not telling anyone a sh*t, travelling to DH knowing about that mapbug and count on potentially use it in the worst case ... and then when they have a chance to play it fair-play again, they just take offence and forfeit the match ... what a bunch of kids!
I don't see how you guys can hate on Fnatic so much. I mean sure, it wasn't good sportsmanship showed by Fnatic, but this is a $250K tournament, you will do anything you can to overcome your oponent.
I bet carn affected this decision a lot, or some other people from management, not players itself changed their mind.
Post edited 2014-11-29 14:57:01
CSGOLOUNGE GIVE BACK MY ITEMS!!!!
CSGOLOUNGE GIVE BACK MY ITEMS!!!!
I don't understand why forfeit after filling a complaint...
LDLC just can't win fnatic :)
Post edited 2014-11-29 15:03:08
the feeling of guilt is never fun, good choice to forfeit
It seems good for pros-community but i hope that someday this fucking community will be judge for destroy CSGO and blame players/teams
so it was fair match
BUT the womens LDLC start crying after the match because they are too low to beat fnatic ..
so these pussys go in semi finals with loss
that is a big mistake by dreamhack organisation
in the future LDLC will be boosted from the organisators because they are all gays like dream hark organisation team
so they can fuck each other which is the best for both sides.
What about the skins we had bet on LDLC ? Are we going to get items back ?
TELL ME THAT FLUSHA WAS CAUGHT CHEATING ON THE DEMO VIEWING PROCESS AND FNATIC HAD TO FORFEIT SO THIS WASNT GOING PUBLIC!!!!
Just to spice even more things, I've been reading your last posts and you are one of the fools that dont believe that fat bearded pig is cheating, so GG, you can now go watch LDLC vs Na'Vi since your favourite team forfeited ;)
what a retard, I wont even answer you anymore since you're a waste of time, a really moron! Have fun, enjoy your weekend!
Where is the evidence of Flusha cheating? Only an ignorant fool accuses someone/something without solid evidence. And there we have it, the proof of you being an ignorant fool.
You can't say there isn't any proof against flusha, there is a reason former pro's and current pro's have called him out. It's you who is ignorant.
So what about the pros then, why do they fuel the hate hype against primarily flusha? Do they maybe have anything to gain by weakening their biggest opponent? Indeed they have. By accusing flusha, without solid evidence, they legitimate the hate and encouraging the community (which mainly consists of vegetables and ignorant fools) to do the dirty work for them and weaken fnatic mentally by attacking them on social media. In other words: the pros that are behind the accusations have very much to gain in terms of success and money.
Post edited 2014-11-29 17:18:02
I'm mad yes, and it feels great to expose fools that's hurting the CS:GO scene. It's ok to act like a fool, but I will make sure they face the reality about themselves
Fnatic brand stinks now. That's what they do to gain some credibility back
This is how Fnatic cheats on DH 2014:
Saving an obvious map bug to abuse it in a major, than bragging about how you kept that bug secret for two months... that's some special kind of disgusting.
Post edited 2014-11-29 15:05:18
Nice. You have chosen to save some face. Just for a side note, if you were to continue playing the map, let alone win, you will be condemned by the community forever. You've done what most have expected you to do. However, the fact that it has taken you guys this long to actually admit this amidst the Counter-protest, you have not redeem yourselves from us.
First the cheating accusations, which in my honest opinion as a neutral supporter, are innocent until proven guilty (although videos shows very compelling evidence) which have took away most of their supporters, then pulling off this dirty tactic. Adding fuel to the fire, after LDLC won their appeal/protest after 6 DREADFUL hours, Fnatic has the BALLS to counter protest and won the admins in a matter of 30 MINS. REALLY SHAMEFUL of both Fnatic and the admins imo.
Kudos for doing the right thing, but more needs to be done before you can redeem yourselves in the scene.
Post edited 2014-11-29 15:09:17
They got a second chance to replay from 0-0. Not 12-3.
A great chance to show the haters and their fans that they can win without a game breaking boots.
Instead they go out like little kids, throwing away a chance to win the entire tournament.
Even though I hate Fnatic, they are still a talented team. Stupid decision.
Post edited 2014-11-29 15:21:08
I lost respect for LDLC as well, mostly NBK's tweeting.
It could've been solved much better by both parties, but then again, it's a semi-final spot in a major. Of course the would be upset.
I hope this doesn't fuck up E-Sports too much.
Post edited 2014-11-29 16:34:25
But this constant hunting on certain teams and players makes me lose my interest in the cs community and professional scene...
You shouldn't be forfeiting because you're not having fun. You should be forfeiting, because you used to an unfair exploit to win a series you were surely losing.
They held this boost back for 2 months to abuse it at dreamhack! fnatic are pathetic fat cheater kids who are ruining counter-strike...if they can't hack, they have to abuse bugs!
GG WELL PLAYED -.-
no way for fnatic, they had to forfeit because they can't win ldlc without hax and bugs
very nice decision from fnatic
Keep faith in your favorite game.
Still, their image isn't the same and there are other pending issues. Like forced vacations.
LCDC deserve to be on the semi-finals. Good luck against Na'Vi.
but whatever...it doesnt really matter, they will be ruling the scene for couple of next years and make insane amount of cash during that time if they just stick together and stay motivated. . they are a young team and the talent haven't even peaked yet, cant say the same for the most other teams.
Fnatic management told them to forfeit because this scandal was really destroying the organisation's reputation.
CS is probably one of their smallest teams/earners.
the PR for the brand/organization coming off of what their csgo team did last night was very bad for business.
the company most likely went into damage control and tried to salvage what was left of their image/sportsmanship in regards to their CSGO team.
fnatic should have felt ashamed the moment their protested against the LDLC boost which did not impact the game at all whereas their boost (the fnatic one) literally turned the game into fnatic's favor.
I feel very sorry for the organization (fnatic), because I am pretty sure it was not the players decision to forfeit this match. I am glad to see them out of this competition as it would have been disgusting for a team like LDLC to start all over again when they had the match under control.
The feeling of unfairness would have been a huge feeling to deal with and I think they would not have been able to concentrate properly.
Finally some karma, even though it would have been better to see a good match between these two teams without any shit involved. Because I love this game and I want to see good cs:go.
This "community" disgusts me, people can't act like people.
1. They should have reported the boost to Valve
2. They shouldn´t have reported LDLC to admins, and should have agreed to recommence the match at 13-2 or whatever the score was. They could still have won, and if they had done so, then good on them.
Now DH admins should also understand how retarded their decision was.
Post edited 2014-11-29 15:56:47
I guess the decision was made by the organisation to restore some respect for fnatic.
They pissed a lot of people! Including me... I was a fan of them, mostly pronax & krimz :)
Post edited 2014-11-29 16:04:02
Let the circlejerk begin
Anyway bravo to them, i wouldn't want to be any LDLC or Fnc player right now :/
But still fuck
Carn and Devilwalk
They gave 0 fucks while their players were crying
without a statement to accompany your decision to forfeit, it just seems like it WASN'T their choice but rather forced by upper management / sponsors.
so no respect for fnatic
Post edited 2014-11-29 16:51:44
look at this again, fnatic forfeits
if fnatic actually realised their error, they would instead say, we Disqualify ourselves.
Big difference between forfeit vs self disqualify
Just like in golf when in the spirit of integrity, the player calls a penalty on himself.
So fnatic is not remorseful or sorry about their actions at all!
they are doing this to try and come out as "victims".
Post edited 2014-11-29 16:55:37
and LDLC win this shit cup 2014 honolululu ?
fuck this false scene ... its official over CS! ;(
Then forfeits. Trash tier organization !
Post edited 2014-11-29 17:08:47
forfeiting was A) the right thing to do and B) the only way they could save face after that shameful display.
But that won't happen. Props to fnatic for forfeiting but we all know it was a processing stunt that the players probably had absolutely no decision in. Sadly this stunt probably won't earn them nearly as much respect they think it will earn em. Most likely fnatic will post a statement and somehow mention that all the negative backlash from the community caused it.
For me it reminded a round in cs1.6 when SpawN boosted to ceiling in nuke's ramp. The rushing guys didn't even understand where did they get shot from... It is fun to no end when players find a creative way to destroy their opponents. That's a whole new level of skill.
They found a exploit that they did not turn in for Valve to get fixed, instead they abused and used as an wallhack to know what LDLC will be doing.
SpawN boost was found the second he started to shoot from that location. How many rounds did olof just look around from the spot?
And you blame community when team that even fellow pro's accuse of cheating is abusing exploits and gloat about it in interviews.
You must really take the fanboi status seriously, most core fans have been silent or hating that their favorite team did something like this. Keep your blinders on and carry Flusha to VACation.
Not only did they pixelwalk but also exploit a position where they could see 75% of the map, if that aint an exploit hacking isnt an exploit.
Pro tournaments arent designed for teams to exploit glitches in maps. Even f0rest said.."this isn't cs"
If fnatic truly cared, they should of approached Valve and DH prior to the tourny to see if this boost was acceptable or not.
So there you go fanboy...
fnatic.com: "We all know what happens when Fnatic are forced to replay!"
they turn into cod kids ?
I mean the decision of the DH officials did favor fnatic a lot. They actually ignored their own rules in favor of fnatic. I quote the DH admin word for word:
"We see that removing rounds according to the rules wouldn't be fair in any way, therefor we decided that the whole maps will be replayed"
If they had followed the rule-book, the re-match would have started at 12:3 in favor of LDLC.
If this forfeit is meant to be an act of protest I lost my last bit of respect for fnatic.
If however this forfeit was done because they realized they were wrong, my respect for cArn would be restored.
Post edited 2014-11-29 18:27:18
fnatic players have bind on keyboard when they click enemy head is tagged
regarding the boost: well tested, you guys do definatly your homework at your best as a team.
but this time, it backfired which was expectable.
Its a joke dude ?