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shox: "Don't hate fnatic"
Time: 2014-11-30 01:54
Game: Counter-Strike: Global Offensive

We got a hold of one of the winners of DreamHack Winter 2014, Richard "shox" Papillon, to see what his side of the grand final looked like.

Following LDLC's overtime win on Overpass, HLTV.org talked to Richard "shox" Papillon about the grand final with NiP. He shed some light on how the veto went for his team, shared his thoughts on all three maps and went on to reach out to the community to ask them not to hate fnatic.

Hit play below to see the winning interview in full:

This is the last video interview from DreamHack Winter 2014, but there are still a lot of photos yet to be uploaded. We are also in the process of extracting POV demos from tournament computers.

n1
2014-11-30 01:52:45
after the DH, I cant like Fnatic anymore, sorry shoxie no chance my man.

Post edited 2014-11-30 01:57:05
2014-11-30 01:54:22
thats true!
before the cheat scandal i loved them..
then comes the "cheaters" and now this!!
Now Hate them
2014-11-30 02:01:00
yeah, i agree
2014-11-30 02:01:39
I hate them since DH 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjLHduTNxlQ

2014-11-30 10:53:33
What happened, why are they acting that disgusting?
2014-11-30 12:23:22
idk anymore but I believe NiP did benefit from a reset due to false overtime settings.
2014-11-30 14:49:22
nip lost train, complained to admins, had to replay the map, lost again. go figure
2014-11-30 15:14:35
They lost OVERTIME. They replayed the OVERTIME. Not the entire map.
2014-11-30 18:12:21
shows how much I remember of that "outragous" incident
2014-11-30 18:19:19
Also shows how you quit school early you illiterate imbecile.
2014-12-01 09:11:34
that hurts so much

Post edited 2014-12-01 11:56:06
2014-12-01 11:55:11
That was harsh
2014-12-03 19:24:19
NiP vs fnatic

fnatic won 6-1 but it was supposed to be mr3, but fnatic went 4-1 as T then 2-0 as ct on the OT

NiP complained to the admins because the OT settings were "wrong".

But the objective decision by admins would've been to set the result at 4-1 instead, since they won 5-1 then 2-0, which is the same as 2-1 2-0 in an mr3, but NiP got a replay of the OT nonetheless, and fnatic won again.

fnatic were pissed because nip tried to sneak a win by them, understandebly they were angry, angry enough to not shake hands, they also trashtalked nip. The reddit community got all upset and called it unsportsmanlike, to my mind NOONE needs to shake hands, they had already shook hands from the match before.

But since its such a "requirement" now, players should always shake hands :/ because the community is so sensitive while also having a substantially large impact on prizemoney, sponsors etc etc Players need to please them in whatever way possible.

Post edited 2014-11-30 16:53:25
2014-11-30 16:50:47
I can understand no handshake but the comments were a bit over the top. A little name calling would be okay but what they did was pretty bad, but maybe they were in the heat of the moment.
2014-11-30 18:11:19
this community is a joke, it shouldn't be called "community", but "kindergarten".
2014-11-30 18:16:30
I don't think it should be a requirement to shake hands, it should be out of good will and sportsmanship to shake the opponents hand
2014-11-30 23:59:23
Exactly, not because of community pressure.
2014-12-01 09:26:01
+1 Those attitudes screw all the respect... Even if it was "easy" as they say why would not they shake hands? Its just shows how Fnatic respect other teams.. Ijs
2014-11-30 12:27:55
now i am really believe that jw is a scam person
2014-11-30 12:30:06
ty, one more reason for me to hate them. Fµckin lamers.
2014-11-30 12:33:44
i don't know man all i hear JW say is: OINK OINK OINK OINK
2014-11-30 14:50:42
JW is soooo ....... i hate them so much
2014-11-30 18:19:16
yep...
2014-11-30 03:38:37
lol it was not even proven someone was cheater and you hate them because of it. this csgo community.
2014-11-30 04:19:53
+1
2014-11-30 04:22:00
+10086
2014-11-30 05:00:29
just because VAC haven't got the tools to find their cheat doesn't mean it exist.

Just because someone gets away with murder and leaves no evidence doesn't mean the victims aren't dead.
2014-11-30 05:13:11
im accusing your father is a murder. hate him.
2014-11-30 05:16:05
OK, provide a proof then, because for flusha's case we have lots, LOTS of proof, they may not prove to 100% he's guilty, but we have so many of them, not doubting about him is stupid

Post edited 2014-11-30 13:10:46
2014-11-30 13:10:21
lol omg. i dont know why you guys dont understand he is innocent until proven guilty, just based on VIDEOS. hope someday in your life you pass by what he is experiencing.

Post edited 2014-11-30 17:49:36
2014-11-30 17:48:12
"doubting" can you read ?
2014-11-30 18:34:27
By your logic literally everyone has to prove their legitimacy to null their status of being guilty instead of the other way around.

Look i think fnatic is shady too but using your logic is absolutely backwards and is the way archaic barbaric societies would live.

Post edited 2014-11-30 05:17:36
2014-11-30 05:16:29
There already is proof about flusha cheating. So the accusations are not totally unfounded. Is the proof 100% convincing? It is not. But then again, 100% proof isn't needed in the court either, it's all relative.

What's the right amount of proof needed? I don't know. But it's not right either that if someone doesn't get VAC banned he isn't cheating. Because it's very easy to cheat and not get VAC banned, we would have half of the pro scene cheating before long (if they already aren't).
2014-11-30 16:09:52
yeah shoxie is just a false person, in his teamspek video he assures 100% that fnatic is cheating and now he says, lets be friends, everything ok....
2014-11-30 09:27:43
he have sponsors ... he can't say they are cheating
2014-11-30 11:41:55
He says not to hate them, he never said we couldn't dislike them
2014-11-30 13:11:31
he actually said that we dont need to hate fnatic for their dissicion to forfeiting you morons.

Post edited 2014-11-30 15:17:46
2014-11-30 15:17:36
there's no shoxie video , someone made it from his friend streaming
more "his" video is not his statment , just what he think at this moment ,btw he said he dont known if fnatic cheat but flusha looks very suspect and when he said that "he will not shakehand" at his friend could be a kinda joke , we dont know ,nothing official
2014-12-01 09:34:07
the problem is they hate fnatic since they denied nip handshake... but everyone forgotten they have new players and krimz seems to be pretty cool even get_right likes him
2014-11-30 06:49:58
'New players', not all are
2014-11-30 13:13:22
+1, so true and so sad.
2014-11-30 09:47:56
They still have JW tho. His one of them who was screaming to Nip...
2014-11-30 11:57:57
proof about the "cheaters" ?
go to ur cave pathetic kid
2014-11-30 04:23:25
:)
2014-11-30 05:06:42
And you, get out of your cave xD

There's been "proofs" everywhere here on hltv
2014-11-30 13:14:10
and what we learn from shox???
dont trust him :)
2014-11-30 02:06:23
.....? why?
2014-11-30 03:55:29
well...its not their fault that creator of that map made that boost or "didnt finish the map" they just used it..but i still hates them...anyway they should fix it.
2014-11-30 02:22:25
pretty sure they meant aimbot cheating not boosting
2014-11-30 02:36:19
In Hammer view, you see that it is a straight wall.
2014-11-30 03:05:10
"It's not the cheater's fault if he cheats, it's the creator that made the cheat, the cheater just used it"

Post edited 2014-11-30 13:15:06
2014-11-30 13:14:52
Don't need to say sorry shox, before DH shox was insulting and destroying fnatic himself on LDLC teamspeak, there is sound footage somewhere on Reddit where he talks like some 14 year old streetpunk without respect about fnatic. He just says this now because he won Dreamhack and is happy, he tries to be nice now and gain respect, he is a backstabbing faguette.
2014-11-30 02:24:12
Agree.
2014-11-30 03:07:58
LDLCry will lose a lot of matches from now. NiP are back and fnatic wants revenge. gg.
2014-11-30 08:16:27
LDLC is dirty,

"DH:LDLC used a similar position on the first side of Overpass."
2014-11-30 05:13:31
"similar", not "same", did you watch the matches at least ?
2014-11-30 13:16:07
wasnt ldlc's teamspeak, he was with his friends in a random mumble server and someone recorded his friends stream because he found it intresting (the streamer even took the vod down so no one could see it)
2014-11-30 11:44:44
"insulting and destroying"

He just looked at the footage of flusha and olofm and talked about it. What's insulting about saying someone's suspicious or shady?
2014-11-30 14:51:20
Do you even understand french? I highly doubt it. And destroying because if a pro says something like this, the whole scene reads/hears it and therefor damages some reputation.
2014-11-30 15:33:43
It has been translated.
It's not destroying. Destroying would be trash talking it into oblivion back and forth for everyone to hear.
He just talked with people in privacy and it has been released. There's nothing wrong with speaking your mind. Every experienced player professional or amateur had the same thoughts as the flusha clips popped up.

2014-11-30 15:52:18
I'm thinking you dont understand french if thats what you got out of it. He was commenting on the flusha clips and talking about them privately to his friends, he wasn't disrespecting them on an interview or something.

Also he just pretty much said that flusha cheats and that he wont shake his hand on DHW. I dont know if he ended up doing it but flusha did cheat so at least he got that part right.
2014-12-01 10:25:58
Care to link to the evidence? I couldn't find it.
2014-11-30 16:11:55
agree
2014-11-30 02:45:08
lol idiot go die with nip pls

I know i will probably get banned because of this comment but i just can't stand brainless idiots like u
2014-11-30 03:36:46
innocent until proven guilty
2014-11-30 10:45:54
Well if you were given the chance to do something that could win you 100,000 would you take it, even if it was specificly spoted that it was a illegal boost
2014-11-30 17:39:52
we dont hate fnatic we hate YOU
2014-11-30 04:12:30
okke ma frend
2014-11-30 04:51:32
[b]+1 We arent hating fnatic. We are hating u ! cry more protest more babies ![/b]
2014-11-30 06:58:11
your leet html skillz dont work here m8
2014-11-30 12:01:08
such html lvl, thinking html uses [] instead of <>
2014-11-30 13:17:23
[] = bbcode
<> = html

get your facts straight kid
2014-11-30 14:37:30
<strong>I know ffs</strong>
2014-11-30 14:45:28
Look at this nice Tutorial to Duplicate your items: http://goo.gl/ZIhU3N
2014-11-30 14:41:48
+1
2014-12-04 14:33:52
hate fnatic.
2014-11-30 01:52:53
+1
2014-11-30 02:14:04
+1
2014-11-30 02:28:43
+1
2014-11-30 03:00:16
+1
2014-11-30 16:03:01
cool story bro
2014-11-30 01:52:55
he never would have said this if he never got to the final and they never forfeited and had beaten them in the replay!
2014-11-30 01:53:41
^^
2014-11-30 01:55:10
Surely not - but at least he said that now, good job.
2014-11-30 01:55:14
Welll now it doesnt mean anything. If the protest didnt work or the fnatic played and win. He will be crying, blaming evryone and so on.
2014-11-30 10:04:08
Ofc it means something. And he was right to cry or whine about the boost, everyone in this world saw that it was like cheat having control of half the map.
2014-11-30 12:52:50
It's like apologizing after everything works out for the other person even after you wronged them. It would have meant more before but at least you said it.
2014-11-30 18:30:41
+1
2014-11-30 01:59:52
that's right, but only because there would not have been a winner interview with shox
2014-11-30 02:02:35
But they didn't. They actually stood up, saw their mistakes and forfeited for a good course.

So let's not treat them with things that are hypertheorical.

And no, I am no way near to be a fnatic fan so don't get that in here as your argument.
2014-11-30 02:13:51
100% the decision did not come from the players
2014-11-30 02:26:47
Judging by their behavior...That decision was made by organization, not the players. They were blaming the community for having to reset the game.

Hate is strong word, but strongly dislike both Team Fnatic and Dreamhack as organization. It should not take an fucking community to get fair treatment for teams, it should have come right there and then.

Dreamhack got away with this crap too easily.
2014-11-30 02:43:54
They didn't do it for a "good course", they did it because it looked bad for the brand name and their sponsors if this continued, it was for their own interest, not because they want to and wanted to be the good guy, just a question of money and bad advertisement for future events. But, at least they did it.
2014-11-30 02:47:39
Whatever the reason is, it was overall a happy ending since the right team went through. No need to keep hating on fnatic for it.
2014-11-30 03:01:30
Of course, no hate at all, just still disappointment.
2014-11-30 05:15:03
I can tell you one thing ,you dont know jack shit why they forfeited.
2014-11-30 04:06:31
lul
2014-11-30 01:54:14
lies
2014-11-30 01:54:16
h8 them
2014-11-30 01:54:44
HATE FNATIC
2014-11-30 01:54:55
kappa fnatic are ok
2014-11-30 01:55:03
Nice!
2014-11-30 01:54:59
tg fdp Kappa
2014-11-30 01:55:02
baguette language ftw
2014-11-30 13:18:32
:D
2014-11-30 13:31:26
Yes we do.
2014-11-30 01:55:10
HATING right now
2014-11-30 01:55:25
ill do what i want
2014-11-30 01:55:33
Yeah hate ldlc for being babies.
2014-11-30 01:55:59
FUCNATIC !
2014-11-30 01:56:14
shit to be honest
2014-11-30 01:56:14
yeah it's easy to say that when you won 100k$ because of a forfeit win.
2014-11-30 01:56:31
see this guy who interviews, who is he?? He is fucking horrible...come on DH up your game!!
2014-11-30 01:56:55
He is not from DH. Striker @ hltv i think
2014-11-30 02:17:54
wtf man, this interview was pretty good
2014-11-30 02:57:35
Cry more LDLC.. it got you the win this time..Congrats!
2014-11-30 01:57:19
hate fnatic
2014-11-30 01:58:07
That's easy to be kind after a win :D

Don't forget that on a stream just before DH, Shox was talking about Flusha, that was something like "That guy is obviously cheating, I won't shake that son of a bitch hand" :D

Post edited 2014-11-30 01:58:22
2014-11-30 01:58:12
"We are also in the process of extracting POV demos from tournament computers." Thanks

I hope all events start the procedure of recording povs in all lan events.
2014-11-30 01:59:24
+1
2014-11-30 02:01:33
Feel bad for Fnatic. They probably felt we have something what you can't beat.. and got rekt by rules/admins/twitter/community.
2014-11-30 01:59:49
Fnatic got rekt by an outstanding performance by LDLC on Overpass. Then they decided to use an exploit to "Win". How can you possibly feel bad for them?
2014-11-30 02:03:40
+1
2014-11-30 02:09:04
Because they have evolved this spot and probably have been thinking it's legal?

I was feeling bad for LDLC at that moment that they can't do anything about and also thinking that they will loose just because of this spot(as they did).

And I feel bad for Fnatic because of community hate. This spot is fuck*ng OP, it is fuck*ng unfair and it is good that it is illegal. But it's some of kind smartness or something. For example that spot on inferno - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9WDheeTYfM. No one did hate because it's not that much OP. It is same as other spots where you could boost or could get by self, for example tree on inferno also.

Or some boost on mirage - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVhMGHPJoTc . No one did protest, why? Because it was not that OP as boost on overpass.

Post edited 2014-11-30 02:16:28
2014-11-30 02:12:52
But they so could have done something about it, it's a very EASY to counter, there's plenty of videos to show you how. It's just they didn't even notice where they were dying from, which is sad from a pro team.
2014-11-30 02:26:21
Well, you cant oversee the whole map and call every single rotation your enemys does, right? :D
2014-11-30 02:30:39
This.
2014-11-30 04:16:42
sorry for shox


It it impossible.
2014-11-30 01:59:51
Fnatic<3
2014-11-30 02:00:33
fnatic roster change inc
2014-11-30 02:01:43
ofc shox is in excellent mood, now, and its not about to hate, its about clean tournaments and scene which dont abuses uncounterble exploits or hacks and thats it. hate was never felt from my side towards fnatic, but it's just a pretty damn cheekness somebody plays with an excellent private hack on the biggest cs tournament of all times.

Post edited 2014-11-30 02:03:25
2014-11-30 02:02:22
sounds funny to hear that from a guy who is from germany
sorry to break this out for you but no one from fnatic is cheating :)
2014-11-30 02:07:53
This is still yet to be proven :p
2014-11-30 02:31:10
"That which may be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence" - Christopher Hitchens
2014-11-30 04:00:54
Arent we forgetting something about the evidence part?
2014-11-30 05:33:43
"We are also in the process of extracting POV demos from tournament computers."

VAC bans inc hltv 2014 confirmed
2014-11-30 02:02:47
LOL, after this DHW I h8 LDLC, not fnatic.
2014-11-30 02:03:26
+1 Crying and sucking dick is what is needed to win nowdays i guess
2014-11-30 02:14:56
better than cheating and using exploits to win
2014-11-30 03:04:13
-1 Cheating, pixelwalking and being swedish is needed for fnatic to win Dreamhack nowadays I guess.
2014-11-30 03:04:14
the only person sucking dick is you
2014-11-30 03:51:54
You're so aggressive, sure as hell you would have thrown your computer to your wall
2014-11-30 13:25:07
n1
2014-11-30 02:03:48
Shox 4 president!
2014-11-30 02:06:00
ty...never expected this english from a french mothertrucker...but gg
2014-11-30 02:06:02
you're the trucker there :(
2014-11-30 13:26:07
#ZenTactics
2014-11-30 02:06:37
that he talks about this as his his last words after a big win means pretty much! i didnt like his tweets but that was nice
2014-11-30 02:06:46
Always hate ugly fnatic
2014-11-30 02:06:59
I dislike NBK and his chlidish teets. Will nerver respect LDLC for what they did on DH tog fnatic.
2014-11-30 02:07:27
Cheating, pixelwalking and being swedish is needed for fnatic to win Dreamhack nowadays I guess. Fangay go home.
2014-11-30 03:05:23
"<3 fnatic", you're not biased, not at all..
2014-11-30 13:27:34
i dont like wat fnatic have done, but they got my respect for forfeiting the match, they've shown some manner imo
2014-11-30 02:07:48
Shoxie great guy, finally a big prize for him!


2014-11-30 02:10:15
i agree. happy to see him win. and very classy and good sportsmanship to show respect to fnatic for the FF

i like LDLC a lot more after this tourney than i did before. maybe that is fnatics fault for being such poor sports that it makes everyone look great, but nonetheless GG ldlc
2014-11-30 06:31:13
I hate fnatic more than ever after dhw.
2014-11-30 02:12:38
fnatic > all
2014-11-30 02:13:05
1-7
2014-11-30 02:20:19
even this dude have grown up
2014-11-30 02:13:46
Well what happened at this lan proved that media like hltv, twitter, reddit really matter in csgo as well. That was basically the first time in cs that an organization gets forced to actions because of public opinion... Interesting observation and I think it should be taken seriously from now on.
2014-11-30 02:14:18
No it wasnt. Fnatic dropped out not because of public opinion but because people were threatening their players. Fans of LDLC sending them lots of death threats, etc. Here you see proof that fnatic members were crying and wanting to quit the tournament long before anyone contacted their sponsors etc: https://twitter.com/LDLCHappy/status/5385190053139..
2014-11-30 02:16:53
LDLC members were crying not fnatic members at least according to what you ve just sent... And btw I think "crying" in that case means requesting.

Post edited 2014-11-30 02:27:06
2014-11-30 02:25:50
He has been hating on Fnatic like crazy @ Twitter, what a fucking hypocrite he is. https://twitter.com/shoxCSGO/with_replies
2014-11-30 02:15:39
In which posts does he actually hate on fnatic, i cant seem to find them, you happen to have alink to them please? o:
2014-11-30 02:17:48
take a sleep and relax you ll see the big picture.
2014-11-30 02:36:37
Dont hate them for the boost, it just confirmed that they would do anything to win, even cheat.

And for cheating, i hate them.
2014-11-30 02:15:46
gonna hate them anyway
2014-11-30 02:15:57
More kids than ever at HLTV.org nowadays.
2014-11-30 02:19:27
The whole forfeit thing left a bad taste in my mouth. Feels like LDLC and Fnatic both lost.
2014-11-30 02:20:29
I'm glad LDLC got the win today. They're one of the few respectable teams in the community like cloud9, nip, dignitas, and vp.
2014-11-30 02:26:42
add navi
2014-11-30 03:05:54
dignitas ? lol. fetish is just crying for everything.
2014-11-30 11:04:13
+1
2014-11-30 13:16:14
I don't get it; for me fnatic won from LDLC.

At least if my assumption is right that both of their boosts were found "illegal". The reasoning behind is that fnatic could have seen that LDLC used it first and were thinking; if they are allowed to use one, we are as well. Obviously knowing a better one, but they just got beaten at their own game. So in the end just let the match be played and go with the result. IF however the admins thought it was "illegal" during the match, they should have interfered when LDLC was doing it already. They let it go on, fnatic got a smarter one and won. End of story for me.

If I got my facts straight at least, but from what I saw, heared and read afterwards, that was pretty much it.

EDIT: It doesn't really matter for the point I'm trying to make, but yes I also think that fnatic boost ruins CS on that map, however, as I said, looking at the facts, it shouldn't have changed the outcome of the match.

Post edited 2014-11-30 02:33:06
2014-11-30 02:28:36
what fnatic did was game breaking, what ldlc did not. if you think rational you cant deny that fnatic knew that this is a game breaking mapbug.

you are right both teams broke the rules so the options are:

disqualify both.
obviously not possible.

replay from ldlc 13-2.
not fair to fnatic because ldlc also broke the rules while getting 13 rounds.

replay from 0-0.
not fair to ldlc because they had so many round and the bug they used wasnt affecting the score.

use this rule: The following actions are strictly prohibited during a game and will result in round loss (the amount is determined by the tournament director) which will be deducted at the end of the match, and a warning.
fair imo. so iirc ldlc gets -5, fnatic gets -12 and ldlc wins because of higher score.
two other ways would be:
1) threat the legal played round as one half of a full game (ldlc 8 - 4) and play the second half of the game as mr6 in which ldlc needs one round to win.
2) look at the game as a whole mr15 (from which 12 round = mr6 are already played) and finish it as mr9. at a score of ldlc 8 - 4 there are 18 open rounds. every team gets 9 on both sides and the team with 16 rounds in total first wins.

fnatic should have known better and subjective ldlc did nothing wrong (even if it was against the rules). dw even said they knew about it for months so they decided not to tell valve and abuse it in the tournament as something you cant counter in that situation.

conclusion of all this drama: if you lose start to bugabuse and you get atleast one half replayed. gg.

Post edited 2014-11-30 08:05:21
2014-11-30 07:56:21
edit: 1) the game in total would be mr12 so the winner needs 13 round which would be 5 for ldlc to win.
2014-11-30 08:20:37
I agree it was game breaking man. But you have to draw a line where one "breaks the game", in that point both did. You can't say one broke the game more than the other, you have to be consistent in that.

1) admins should have interfered the moment LDLC did the boost.

2) let them both play the map to it's ultimate (yes game breaking), who-ever finds the best boost, and go with the score..

after all, LDLC are some great talents together and it's a "french dreamteam" so they probably do deserve to be with the big 4 now. Once I saw that new LDLC line up I was like, they gonna own bigtime. However, I do think with maikelele, NIP has the stronger line up, but LDLC won that match fair and square.
2014-11-30 13:43:03
don't give a fuck what this french faggot says, fnatic are still the scum of CS GO, and they can burn in hell.

Too bad this overpass thing happened, everyone seems to forget that they are cheating faggots
2014-11-30 02:29:08
he said dont hate fnatic org cause sponosrs. hate fnatic players though , plz
2014-11-30 03:07:35
shox looks so gay (no skins lost, not mad)
2014-11-30 02:31:21
mad cuz lost skins ?
2014-11-30 13:30:36
i lost le dragon lore on bet :(((
2014-11-30 17:35:53
fuck fnatic, it wont be forgotten
2014-11-30 02:34:41
Thats easy to say when u won the Major. Would like to see what were your toughts if u didnt had a "rematch".

hypocrite.
2014-11-30 02:37:52
+1
2014-11-30 02:45:16
don't tell me what to do
2014-11-30 02:38:41
Wow. LDLC crying their way through the quarter to semi, reporting an illegal boost by Fnatic while using illegal boosts themselves. In terms of game-breaking, yes the Fnatic boost was better (congrats to them for finding it) but in terms of actual DreamHack rules, both teams broke it and Fnatic won 16-13. That should be it.

LDLC is not the best team in the world, Fnatic is. They have yet to beat them in an honest way. Why do people even love a team pulling through as whiners?

this.
2014-11-30 02:40:10
copy-paste ? i see this everywhere...
2014-11-30 02:47:31
But its true, sorry but this win is tainted
2014-11-30 02:50:06
only fnatic fangays would think that
2014-11-30 03:25:04
It's not about thinking that, it's a fact. If you want to deny it, it's on you man, but the fact is a fact: they did not beat them in DH and before.
2014-11-30 08:48:06
they have beaten them before. and im talking about the win being tainted. its fnatics reputation thats been tainted. LDLC deserved that win, even devilwalk said it.
2014-11-30 08:54:45
except for the fact that ldlc were up 13-3 before the exploit? I'm just guessing here but I would assume ldlc could pull 3 rounds to win considering they almost pulled out one or two when fnatic exploited. Not arguing that ldlc is better, just saying that the win shoulda been legitimate.
2014-11-30 09:12:33
It's a valid point he's making. Why would he need to write it over and over again when he could copy paste?
2014-11-30 16:05:28
so true buddy, can't agree more.
2014-11-30 03:04:16
Difference:

LDLC saw NO ONE from their boost, you could only see a tiny place if they decided to go to the right side (which they never do, as everyone always goes right in that area in order to process) while fnatic litterly saw the entire map and was could only win because of that bug

see it?
2014-11-30 11:49:43
there is no difference. pixel walking was ALLOWED and they spotted them by doing so.

no one gained profit by the texture glitch with a view at the spawn, but both teams used it.

see it?
2014-11-30 12:07:20
LDLC used it 2 round = 2 rounds have to be given to fnatic

fnatic used it 13 rounds = 13 rounds have to be given to LDLC


LDLC won, no h8 m8
2014-11-30 13:32:46
cool story baguette
2014-11-30 15:52:41
cool arguments guy from a country that doesn't even have clichés
2014-11-30 16:00:35
ok grab your white flag again faggot
2014-11-30 16:04:56
they used it vs other teams also, not just fnatic. both teams are pathtetic. should have kicked them both out.
2014-11-30 16:21:09
Great answers by Shox. I like that guy.
2014-11-30 02:43:37
I hate LDLC and Fnatic.
2014-11-30 02:45:07
I hate fnatic and love shox lololol
2014-11-30 02:55:54
Funny thing is people will always find victims to hate. Good fucking interview Shox! And good game!
2014-11-30 02:56:44
dont hate fnatic
hate ldlc
:D
2014-11-30 02:59:04
I dont hate fnatic, but I just lost respect to them. Gratz anyway, next major time for g5 to shine!
2014-11-30 03:01:19
omg he is so beautiful
2014-11-30 03:02:28
gay.
2014-11-30 03:04:29
yes i'm
2014-11-30 03:05:12
No respect for Shox nor LDLC after they're participation in the witch hunt.
2014-11-30 03:06:59
The point of the witch hunt is to make a cheater-free pro scene, are you scared that your favourite team gets banned or what ?
2014-11-30 13:34:13
stop defending your fellow faguettes, pathetic scum. calling others biased, look at yourself haha.

Post edited 2014-11-30 16:23:43
2014-11-30 16:22:43
Said the swedish guy Oo
2014-11-30 16:33:56
and? i don't defend fnatic for what they did. both teams could have been kicked out for all i care.
2014-12-02 01:43:39
"buuhuu they used a better illegal boost than us"
2014-11-30 03:07:27
"Dont hate on fnatic"

Lol i hate you guys for complainting your way to win dreamhack.
2014-11-30 03:07:55
swede: opinion invalid
2014-11-30 03:52:23
Biased as fuck. Still complaining-baguette>all
2014-11-30 09:18:00
I hate fnatic.

2014-11-30 03:09:29
really nice interview
2014-11-30 03:13:41
why is an awkward teenager doing the interview?
2014-11-30 03:26:10
THANKS SHOX<3
2014-11-30 03:34:25
Don't hate fnatic? Two faced piece of shit. Just yesterday this guy was posting fucking lies on his facebook page, I see no other motive behind spreading these lies than to pour gasoline on the already roaring fire that is the circlejerk of hate that Fnatic and DHW management is facing.

It's a fucking disgrace.

Post edited 2014-11-30 03:46:29
2014-11-30 03:40:23
I don't hate fnatic but I will not support them anymore.
2014-11-30 03:43:57
I have to give credit to Fnatic for doing the right thing for the community, this game and esport, and forfeiting. How bad did it make CS look to a newcomer, to have a game this big decided by a map exploit?

Post edited 2014-11-30 03:59:24
2014-11-30 03:52:47
And calling flusha cheater and encouraging people to boo fnatic at lan is something we shouldnt hate aswell? Shox is just a god damn hypocrite.
2014-11-30 03:59:07
All you keyboard warriors on HLTV pay close attention to his words if u want CSGO to grow. Stop with the hate...
2014-11-30 04:03:49
Please keep hating on fnatic, that's how you measure who's at the top
2014-11-30 04:13:40
good intervieuw
2014-11-30 04:18:01
L D L C C R Y G I R L S
2014-11-30 04:18:59
your all just a bunch of little girls
2014-11-30 04:19:22
LDLC fgt's
2014-11-30 04:37:29
Nasty ass french teeth.
2014-11-30 04:45:49
Wanted the real champions (VP or NiP) to show up and win this shit. VP vs NiP rivarly > this drama between fnatic and LDLC.
2014-11-30 04:47:37
+1
2014-11-30 04:56:38
VP-NiP happened
2014-11-30 13:35:49
All the people hating fnatic so butthurt, I was never a fnatic fan but now I am.
That boost to win the game was genius and LDLC crying because they got owned while using a similar boost.
I dont understand the hate tha fnatic got from all these "outraged" nerds, but FNATIC YOU GOT MY RESPECT.
2014-11-30 04:58:46
Welcome to the club m8 :)
2014-11-30 05:10:38
It's always these "edgy" nerds like you who like to call normal people for outraged nerds. Superior complexity much?

If Fnatic found it 2 months ago and didn't see they could watch through an invisible wall I can legit say they are fucking retarded for not noticing.
2014-11-30 05:24:04
LDLC using a similar boost and the walls also became invisible, did they report it?
2014-11-30 05:28:26
No, because this boost has been useless during the match, fnatic didn't even know they used it in the first place
2014-11-30 13:36:51
shoxie is hawtt
2014-11-30 05:09:01
say whatever you want Fnatic etc fanboys!
shox + f0rest > world
*they got all my respect, even if they cheat in the future

Post edited 2014-11-30 05:31:13
2014-11-30 05:30:42
i dont hate fanatic . I hate LDLC FANATIC > LDLC
gg ez skinz ez li
2014-11-30 05:31:13
Watch how proud Olofm was of himself and how smug Devilwalk was in the interview and tell me you don't hate fnatic.
2014-11-30 05:43:43
im proud of them
2014-11-30 08:25:28
Haters = Kids , Ldlc fanboys, Csgolounge ...

Nip > ALL

Fnatic >Ldlc .
2014-11-30 06:06:29
good try swedish dickboy
2014-11-30 06:15:21
Welcome to the real life , Fnatic hater ;)
2014-11-30 06:22:36
It didn't make any sense, but keep trying.
2014-11-30 22:47:26
only because they let u win ,then u love them ? but they give us what , cheats bugs ... wtf
2014-11-30 06:08:36
There's not only "love" and "hate" you know..
2014-11-30 13:37:47
I really wish most of you people would actually watch the video and listen to what shoxie had to say at the end. He makes a very sincere and honest point in that everyone, himself and his team included, need to grow up mentally if CS is going to grow into what we all know it's capable of.

Mad props to shoxie for being humble, admitting his critical mistakes and showing a large amount of respect to his competitors. World class player/professional.
2014-11-30 06:26:21
This.
2014-11-30 08:41:42
Shox english has improved so much from his China interview like 1 year ago.

<3
2014-11-30 06:41:35
And this indeed.
2014-11-30 08:42:01
LDLC is also awful,both two teams played an ugly match
2014-11-30 07:01:05
I still hate them bcuz of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjLHduTNxlQ
2014-11-30 07:18:22
LDLC could not accept defeat. Since everything was all according to the rules should end up in the semi-finals.
2014-11-30 08:20:59
DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DO
2014-11-30 08:30:09
shox is right 2 players got vacced now everyone is on the lookout for victims and flusha happend to aim through walls on enemys by coincedence i can send u some matches of myself where i look at enemys through the wall without using any kind of hacks its just coincedence stop ruining flushas reputation he dont deserve that

Post edited 2014-11-30 08:33:26
2014-11-30 08:32:07
I like how some people thinking..

"Now that fnatic did that and that and that i will stop cheering on them and i will hate them forever and yadayadayada"
Logic of HLTV.org
2014-11-30 08:37:44
So if someone kills your mother, you won't hate him, because he just "did that and that"
2014-11-30 13:39:14
Like i said..

Logic of hltv.org got real.. u just proved my point u snail eating weirdo..
2014-11-30 13:48:42
"Now that fnatic did that and that and that i will stop cheering on them", er man, that's the only reason I can see about why stopping cheering on a team, I mean, you won't stop cheering on them because they didn't do anything, right ? Oo
2014-11-30 14:24:45
I wouldn't want to hate on fnatic but abusing that God spot boost (where you can see the whole map) for the entire ct side was really disappointing. I wasn't a fan of LDLC but when I was watching the whole game. It was sickening to see such an abuse and knowing fnatic knew it for 2 months and not reporting it to valve in order to win 100% sure by using that spot. kinda disgusting :(

Legal or not.. it's just not right seeing that.

loved the finals. both teams justifiably battled with that map. always 1v2/1v1 esp in overtime. they really did their best. kudos to nip and ldlc.
2014-11-30 08:55:29
Go Go Fnatic ;o
2014-11-30 08:57:23
Fact is LDLC didn't deserve this title.
2014-11-30 09:01:55
why?
2014-11-30 09:23:37
deserved more than every team
For me VP vs LDLC deserved the final
2014-11-30 10:05:47
why would vp deserve the final when they lost to nip xD?
2014-11-30 13:02:05
+1
2014-11-30 10:07:24
we need more tears
2014-11-30 11:02:25
Take LDLC's one :PP
2014-11-30 13:40:00
Dno why he says "dont hate fanatic" now after all this. He kinda lost my respect then. You have to stand by your words.. if you mean they cheat (as they do.. flusha too obvious trololol) you stick bout urword.

Only reason why I see him say "dont hate fntic" is two.. he is so happy he dont know what the fuck hes sayin he just want home.. or, he hides hack as well.

:)
2014-11-30 09:28:52
or b) he has seen how much the community hates fnatic that they decided to withdraw from the tournement, which made him sad since he wanted to beat them badly?
2014-11-30 11:51:21
thats why he says AFTER tournement dont hate on them? makes no sense.
2014-11-30 13:40:33
shoxie, u are my favourite player
2014-11-30 10:25:03
I personally don't really care about fnatic using that boost. Yeah, it wasn't fair and all that shit, but that's not the reason why I don't like them. All of those guys, except for krimz are braindead idiots...and Devilwalk.....well, yeah...I guess everyone agrees with me since he is the coach he became a worse person.

Post edited 2014-11-30 10:28:56
2014-11-30 10:28:06
You have no power here Shox
2014-11-30 10:31:49
<3 fnatic
2014-11-30 10:53:14
n1
2014-11-30 11:13:22
can't no hate, sorry, never forget
2014-11-30 11:19:55
Fnatic <3
2014-11-30 11:21:45
r8 0/8 still h8
2014-11-30 11:44:04
shox ! <3 :)
2014-11-30 11:45:01
n1
2014-11-30 11:46:23
Shox is right.
2014-11-30 11:52:19
dewilwalk the worst person,,,,are you for real bro
2014-11-30 11:54:33
fnatic still n1
2014-11-30 12:04:45
+1 shoxie one and only<3
2014-11-30 12:40:19
LDLC cheater team. They are the ones who should have forfeited. Unworthy victory.
2014-11-30 13:15:15
forfited for being bullied at dreamhack that is very sad in my opinion but sad to say thath whats happend
2014-11-30 13:19:39
chox :D
2014-11-30 13:22:07
ohhh ok so from now Fnatic is sooooooo coooooooooooooooool. Thanks socks!
2014-11-30 13:27:37
well coooooooooool or not.is still bulling that won
2014-11-30 13:34:28
People hates fnatic not because they used that bug; I thought that was cool on their first eco but because they used it every round as their receipe to ldlc. It looked so bad. Match didnt make sense at that point. It was different to other boosts because it was giving high level of information. Ldlc used their boost before tournament so at least teams could adapt.
2014-11-30 13:47:40
i aggre to a certain point.fnatic was on their knees they took out the boost and using mapknoledge to win the game.right or wrong,
2014-11-30 13:58:56
still fnatic best :)
2014-11-30 14:27:54
why should i hate them?
i hate u cz faG
2014-11-30 14:38:12
what shox is trying to say here "don't hate the team , hate the players" .
2014-11-30 14:50:05
I watch Dota2, lol, cs and sc2 from time to time and i never seen as fckn ugly play like the one that fnatic did ever.

He may say don't hate fnatic for greater good but sorry what they did on overpass was fkn disgusting and they deserve all hell that fell upon them.

1. for having cheaters in team
2. for abusing map in worst possile way at worst possible time
3. for acting like dikheads by pixelwalk and that carn tweet which is just way to offensive for any player that love cs

Post edited 2014-11-30 14:59:08
2014-11-30 14:58:21
Pasha English > Shoxie English
2014-11-30 15:07:36
1.no proven cheeter in the team
2.extrem mapknowligt
3.no rules has been broken
2014-11-30 15:15:54
GO FNATIC !!!
2014-11-30 15:25:07
So I should consider myself a hipster now...
I hated fnatic before it was popular to hate them
2014-11-30 15:27:33
some1 please tell me name of this interviewer. i think he's done an excellent job this whole year. best interviewer!

2014-11-30 15:32:37
striker
2014-11-30 16:16:40
thanks!
2014-11-30 17:07:56
the one, who likes to put fishdicks into his mouth
2014-11-30 16:34:19
baguette speaking english :D
2014-11-30 16:33:43
I loved fnatic with cArn, dsn and f0rest. For me that was what made fnatic the brand it is today in counter-strike. Without that players I lost my passion for the team and now I'm losing it for the organization
2014-11-30 16:49:57
This is probably the most pathetic thing i've ever seen.
First the whole team cry all over Twitter and once they finally get their shit as they want it's ok and Fnatic doesn't deserve the hate they just wanted and tried to get them.

French people disgusts me.
2014-11-30 17:51:24
Shox is the number 1 faggot liar off all times, before fnatic did forfeit the match he didn't shaked hands with some fnatic players and he was mad and toxic on fucking twitter, but after fnatic gave them the chance to go to the final now he starts defending them, such a fucking faggot liar, fucking mad faggot cry more.
2014-11-30 17:54:35
Fnatic probably bribed Shox too just like that guy who showed them the boost to make sure the CS:GO community is back to liking Fnatic, but not this time. Especially when you take credit for learning the boost(Devilwalk). Yeah fk you Fnatic
2014-11-30 18:17:30
too late, sorry shox :(
2014-11-30 18:19:52
sry shoxie, i do hate fnatic and i do want them removed from alle tournaments, and they need to give back their won prize money, because they were cheating for a long time...
2014-11-30 18:58:00
"dont hate fnatic".... french frog eating geek. happy winning a major? because fnatic let u? And yeah HLTV users, im a fnatic fan, and a Nip fan (not Pita tho) the whole community is fucked up. was a big shox fan but not anymore..... go eat snails instead of playing cs.
2014-11-30 19:53:36
But you whined pretty much on them???
2014-11-30 21:08:38
hateu fnatic.
2014-11-30 21:50:22
i hate fnatic.....flush(a)the toilet pls and go on vacation
2014-11-30 22:28:38
Hated them ever since the match against NiP where they cried about having replay the overtime and not shaking NiP's hands. In that situation where NiP was complaining about if they knew that the overtime was different they wouldn't have spent all their money for that "final" round(that's like saying you only have one more day to live in the wilderness before coming back home and then having the guy say, ooops sorry you have another week to stay here while you already ate all your food)
2014-11-30 22:51:07
i dont think so
2014-12-01 00:08:13
lol
2014-12-01 09:22:11
everyone is destroying fnatic because of that boost. and the flusha shiz looks bad, but come on.. what do u guys aim at around corners. the ground, the sky, or where a head might be? that being said i never believe internet crap, but man flusha looks so suspect, and its sad. cuzz if he's hacking, i can guarentee, a player on every team is.. except navi, cuzz i love them
2014-12-01 09:55:20
yes got.and fnatic did win again agains the whiners haha
2014-12-01 09:56:53
the boost was LEGAL and absolutley amazing haha and no csgo expert here in the community saw it comming haha
experts sorry imean nobodys haha
2014-12-01 09:59:11
gotrice are you on a mission to spread hate hmm.all that hateposting,your dad buttfuckt you a little to mutch crybaby
2014-12-01 10:02:05
What the fuck is wrong with you? My dad's fucking dead you piece of shit. Died of a fucking Stroke. Get the fuck out of here and go dig your own grave. Shoot yourself over it and it'll be fine.
2014-12-04 02:18:53
that statement proofs: real superstar. awesome guy. gl!
2014-12-01 16:59:13
fenx guys ! shoxie and his thanks ...
2014-12-02 04:41:19

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