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Next up on our top 20 ranking is Virtus.pro veteran Filip "NEO" Kubski, who makes the list for the very first time since CS:GO was released. With one of the highest clutch records of the year - 67 in total - the 28-year-old played a key part in his team's success, and his versatility made him one of the most exciting players to watch during the summer season.
Filip "NEO" Kubski's career stretches back to the early days of competitive Counter-Strike, with his first international success coming in March 2005, when his Pentagram G-Shock team won the Samsung European Championship, in Hanover, over SK Gaming's Danish team. Success continued to come Kubski's way and titles kept piling up in the following years, but perhaps the most remarkable thing was the team's ability to stick together despite all the hardships thrown at them - and they were quite a few.
Kubski and his four teammates - called the Golden Five - were on more than one occasion left on their own, but they still managed to pull through, becoming the first team to win three WCG medals and two ESWC crowns. But despite their considerable success - which also includes two Extreme Masters titles -, the team struggled for form when CS:GO came around, spelling the end of one of the longest and most beloved rosters in the history of the game. Jakub "kuben" Gurczynski and Mariusz "Loord" Cybulski were replaced by two up-and-coming talents, Paweł "byali" Bieliński and Janusz "Snax" Pogorzelski, and the team have gone from also-rans to title contenders.
After a year which had seen Virtus.pro win EMS One Katowice and finish 3rd-4th at DreamHack Winter, the Polish team began 2015 in dreadful fashion as they crashed out of ASUS ROG Winter - a relatively easy tournament - in the group stage, despite Kubski posting a 1.16 rating - the fifth-highest overall. Then came Inferno Online Pantamera, where Virtus.pro came in fourth place, with just one victory from five matches in the round-robin stage. In Sweden, the 28-year-old had a disappointing 0.90 rating, the second-lowest of the team, only ahead of Wiktor "TaZ" Wojtas (0.82).
Weeks later, Virtus.pro once again travelled to Katowice for a major, and Kubski came into the tournament with fire in his belly as he hoped to help the team to replicate the success from 2014. In the group stage, he picked up 20 frags in the team's victories against 3DMAX and Cloud9 but he was just the squad's third best player, rating-wise, in both matches. In the quarter-final match against Keyd Stars, Kubski delivered a monstrous performance, amassing a whopping 75 frags (+35 K/D, 1.56 rating, map 3 POV video) throughout the series to single-handedly send the team to the last-four stage, topping the tournament's daily charts in the process. With a spot in the final on the line, Virtus.pro were downed 0-2 by fnatic, with Kubski putting up the team's second-highest rating (0.94) of the series. In the end, he was one of the top performers of the event in a total of nine categories.
After the Polish major, Kubski went through a slump in form and was the worst-performing player of Virtus.pro in two of the next three events, Gfinity Spring Masters 1, which the team attended with Michał "MICHU" Müller as a stand-in, and Copenhagen Games. The Polish giants won the title at the Danish event, but still Kubski finished the tournament on a 1.08 rating, and it was in no small part thanks to his performances in the first three bracket rounds, when the team faced Lions, Publiclir.se and Atlantis - hardly top-level opposition. After that, he posted positive ratings on just three of the next nine maps, which shows that the 28-year-old was far from his prime.
The following months brought a mixed bag of emotions for Kubski, who performed well when his teammates struggled (FACEIT League Stage 1 Finals, ESL Pro League Winter Finals and Gfinity Summer Masters) and failed to having a meaningful role when the team were delivering, such as at the ESL Season 18 Finals and at Gfinity Spring Masters 2. Kubski's stars seemed to finally align in July, when he put in solid numbers at the ESL ESEA Pro League Season 1 finals to power the team to the semi-finals of the event. Against fnatic, the 28-year-old was the only player of his team to avoid a negative score as Virtus.pro were defeated 1-2, and he had positives to take from this tournament, having scored the fourth-highest rating of the entire competition (1.15).
Later that month, Virtus.pro were handed a heavy blow, finishing 7th-8th at the FACEIT League Stage 2 Finals, in Valencia, following back-to-back defeats against Na`Vi and Team Kinguin. Kubski, just like his teammates, was largely disappointing, but redemption would soon come his way. At the CEVO Season 7 Finals, he became the primary AWPer on the roster, a move that instantly bore fruits as he was the joint-highest performer of the team (1.17 rating), together with Jarosław "pashaBiceps" Jarząbkowski, putting in great numbers when it mattered most, in the semi-final against Cloud9 (1.22) and in the grand final against Natus Vincere (1.15). This was the tournament where he used the AWP the most, and his contribution to the team's success did not go unnoticed as he earned the unofficial title of MVP of the competition.
The next offline tournament was ESL One Cologne, where Virtus.pro once again managed to finish in the top four. Kubski was in the green in every match up until the semi-final clash with fnatic, in which he finished just one map with a positive score. In the end, he netted a 1.04 rating, which was Virtus.pro's fourth-highest of the tournament.
The next event on the calendar was Gaming Paradise - a tournament marred by controversy. Kubski had the second-best rating in the team (1.05), who finished in fourth place, but not many conclusions should be drawn from such a troublesome competition. After the adventure in Slovenia, the players flew straight to Dubai for the ESL ESEA Pro League Invitational, featuring a hefty $250,000 prize pool. Kubski's best performance came in a game against TSM on de_mirage, where he posted a 27-19 score, and it was overall a great showing from the 28-year-old, who inspired his team to win the title with a 1.06 rating - the seventh-highest of the entire event.
One of the lowest points of 2015 for Kubski came in the next tournament, the Gfinity Champion of Champions, as he had the worst rating in the team (0.67) with just 60 frags (almost half as many as Pogorzelski) across the best-of-five clash against EnVyUs. He made up for that at the PGL Season 1 Finals, in Bucharest, where he posted a 0.99 rating to help the team to finish runners-up to TSM.
Virtus.pro returned to Romania weeks later for DreamHack Open Cluj-Napoca, which turned out to be Virtus.pro's - and Kubski's - worst major of 2015 as they finished outside the top four for the first time following a 0-2 defeat against G2 in the quarter-finals. For Kubski in particular it was a disappointing tournament as he ended up with a rating of 0.87 - the team's lowest - and a -12 K/D score.
The Polish team travelled to North America hoping to win another CEVO title and put the results at the major behind them. Pogorzelski and Jarząbkowski were both on a hot streak during the tournament, but Kubski also looked sharp, scoring a 1.06 rating that put him just outside the top 10 performers of the tournament.
Two weeks later, Virtus.pro competed at IEM San Jose with Müller once again as a stand-in, and this time they were sent packing after one just game as they fell short against Liquid. For Kubski in particular, this was a tournament to forget as he posted an extremely low rating of 0.40 (-24).
Before the end of the year, Virtus.pro still had one final test, which was the FACEIT League Stage 3 Finals, at DreamHack Winter. Until the last-four stage, Kubski had just one sub-1.00 rating in four maps, and despite scoring an impressive 1.45 rating on map one of the semi-final clash against fnatic, he was unable to prevent the Swedish team from turning the series around in convincing fashion.
Why is he the 17th best player of 2015?
Kubski makes the cut primarily due to his important role in most of the big tournaments where Virtus.pro placed well, including the first two majors of the year. In Katowice, he truly displayed his talents, being overshadowed only by fnatic's Olof "olofmeister" Kajbjer.
At times, the 28-year-old struggled for consistency, but he still finished the year with the seventh-highest K-D difference at majors and as the fourth-best clutcher in the game, which are tremendous achievements. It is worth noting that Kubski's two worst events - Gfinity Champion of Champions and IEM San Jose - were single matches, which offer very little in the way of painting a picture of consistency.
The fact that Kubski became Virtus.pro's main AWPer at CEVO 7 and was right there the MVP of the event really says it all about the 28-year-old's versatility and quality. Since he started using the glass cannon regularly, Virtus.pro have won 74.8 per cent of rounds in which he picked up at least one AWP kill, which has since been the highest percentage among AWPers in the game.
Being the oldest player of this top 20 list is in itself a major achievement for Kubski. At the age of 28, he continues to prove that he is among the best in the game, and his ability to swap between roles and continue to deliver on a regular basis just shows that he is ready for all the challenges that will be thrown his way in 2016.
What do you think about Kubski's performances in 2015? Does he deserve our 17th spot or do you rate him differently? Let us know your opinion in the comment section below.
Stay tuned to our Top 20 players of 2015 ranking powered by EGB.com and keep track of the list over at the Introduction article.
Post edited 2016-01-04 19:40:13
Taz is a top20 player cause he won tournaments. Stop being delusional kid.
even if we look at the list we have now so far - its ridiculous to say neo played better this year or was more impactful this year than apex allu and skadoodle.
hugely disappointing :/
Post edited 2016-01-04 19:43:05
fact is, when you start listing players for the top20 list and you start putting them in order, you will quickly realise that neo is barely even top30. if you want i can make a list for you but i hope thats not necessary, id like to assume you can do that yourself.
Post edited 2016-01-04 20:19:07
"Just stop this hate on this guy. Ska can suck a dick with allu." fanboy much? im not "hating" on neo, im stating the facts. im not a fan of skadoodle, i infact somewhat dislike him - that doesnt make me think hes a bad player though, and if you tell me neo was a better player in 2015 than skadoodle i would say youre simply mad.
winning tournaments is not what this top20 list should be about, i dont want to see a list of the top4 teams this year - i already know who they are. neo did not play great this year, and to say he did is to not only undervalue what other players did, but also to undervalue how good he was as a player in previous years.
skadoodle was shit at the majors, other than that he was a top3 awper for half a year. neo was playing worse month by month the first half of the year, and when he switched to awping the only good tournament he had was the first one. after that he again started playing worse and worse every month.
you cant possibly look at those numbers and think 'yeah, he totally outclassed skadoodle' unless you are blindly biased.
i wouldnt mention neo when it comes to consistency - he was the most inconsistent VP player this year. he has a tournament with a 0.4 rating and a tournament with 0.67 rating, and those werent just bo1 losses... he only performed above his team average in 8 tournaments yet below his team average in 13. thats not fucking consistency.
neo had 3/4ths of the year where he was an average pro for a top10 team and 1/4th where he was below average for a top20 team. skadoodle had only played for half a year, yet majority of the tournaments he played he would be an above average player for a top5 team.
neo did great at katowice - not denying it. in contrast skadoodle did great at EEPL, eswc and dh valencia. its about the entire year, and skadoodle had a better one. performing well at a major is important of course, but neo wasnt performing all too well in the next majors...
its not your fault achievements are counted, but my initial criticism wasnt directed towards you was it? (#102)
-he's 28 and play among 20's
-he slumps down from cluj to san jose which are 3 of the last months which is 1/4 in which the rest 3/4 he played fairly well
-consistency doesn't always mean keeping a high rate in a long time, but if you look at neo's stats provided above, he has ratings 1.0 +1 or -1 give or take which is consistent
-his impact is seen from the game sense view, not mostly from the skills
-and since when was VP a top 20 team? they were mostly top 3 the whole year
-and #340 you kinda lashed out the whole achivement thing on me so :P
-he played fairly well in the first 3 quarters - not at a star level though, and thats what the top20 should be about. he played average for a top10 team, and thats average from 50 players - should put him at 25th.
-he was consistently inconsistent. just like VP always is. consistent inconsistency isnt consistency.
-game sense should not be a determining factor in a top20 players list. i dont want to see pronax on this list, as much as i love him.
-when did i say VP was a top20 team? read what i said again. "...he was below average for a top20 team." meaning, that if we pick a top20 team and compare his performances to players in that team, it would be below average for them. i never said vp was a top20 team. btw they were not mostly top3 all year - top5 all year sure, top4 most of the year quite possibly. top3 no.
-i didnt phrase that correctly, i shouldve just said if you dont agree with it dont justify it.
no hard feelings <3
-game sense DOES affect these, pronax probably wouldn't make because stat-wise... he didn't do anything much prolific or worth standing out
-being 28 puts his reflexes and nerve capability lower than most of the others, EVEN waaay more than the ones still under 20 (like jks ex)
in other words he DESERVED the spot (even though I didn't expect him to be on 17, most far 20 but 17 is in a way acceptable) :)
o yea no hard feeling xD
-game sense matters as much as aim. tarik has peanut brain but great aim. pronax has great game sense but shit aim. if pronax sneaks behind tarik and shoots him but misses enough for tarik to be able to turn around and still kill him, tarik is a better player at CS.
your stats are a combination of aim, positioning, game sense, aggression, etc. and if your positioning makes up for your shit aim enough then the shit aim does not matter. this is how much game sense plays a role on an individual level. if neo has unreal game sense but hes still average for a pro, that means his aim or positioning is shit, or something else is wrong. its about the balance. im certain that most players in the top20 have good game sense, but if they have significantly better aim then they are better players.
-again, going back to my statement. a 100 year old grandma wont be considered a cs god because she can move the mouse. age should not change how high players deserve to be ranked.
-read #369 on what i think about neo "deserving" top20. 'there can only be 20 players in the top20'.
Post edited 2016-01-04 20:23:41
Post edited 2016-01-04 20:51:27
this list only includes players who played for at least 9 months or so, because there has to be a line drawn for how much you can miss and this is where i draw it ("a year has twelve months").
if i went on neo wouldnt be in my top30, and if i included players who only played on a relevant level for half a year neo wouldnt be in my top40.
looks like thorin doesnt think neo belongs on the top20 list either.
this isnt about skills OR impact on tournament placings, this is about the performances you put in game at LANs.
fuck no, this list is supposed to be who played better. impactful does not necessarily imply that your team took advantage of the situations you were putting them in, impactful means you put your team in a good situation by what you did in the server. dont twist the argument over the definition of the word, look at the actual fucking picture - aizy is a better player, he should be above worse players.
now its another thing if the better player does not perform when needed - then theres an argument to be made for worse players to be ranked higher, like allu>skadoodle. but thats not the case when the better player performs but his team isnt there to support him.
team win% when player X got a kill. that means that when player X put his team in a good situation, his team won it 74% of the time. that does NOT say how often he PUTS his team in an advantageous situation, that says how often his team TAKES ADVANTAGE of his kills. that means his team plays well around him.
the stat that says HOW OFTEN he put his team in an advantageous situation is the AWP kills per round. neo has 0.2 AWP kills per round. Guardian has 0.39 AWP kills per round (off the top of my head). if guardian gets an awp kill but his team only gets 64% round wins when he gets an awp kill, that does not mean he doesnt put his team in an advantageous situation more often than neo.
my whole point was that the 74% stat is meaningless, because neo couldve been playing for CSGL and been getting the same exact kills but only have 34% round win rate when he gets kills - but he is still the same player.
aizy DOES deliver in times when needed more. im not ranking by SKILL, im ranking by INDIVIDUAL PERFORMANCE. the analogy you gave is inaccurate, a better analogy would be Ronaldo scores 2 goals a game on average but still loses the game 2:3 more often than not, meanwhile Neymar scores a goal every second game but thats good enough for his team to be winning more games than Ronaldos team - that doesnt make Neymar better, that makes Neymars team better - therefore Neymars team should be ranked higher in a team ranking but Ronaldo should still be ranked above Neymar in a player ranking.
sorry my replies are so long, its just my style of writing - i like to explain in detail rather than be vague with my answers.
i would say it is debatable for who is the 2nd 3rd 4th and 5th best on VP right now and throughout the whole year, but other than snax none of them should be in top20 anyway.
look at my list. tell me who to remove, and to add neo instead of. now keep in mind that you already have to remove someone to make space for skadoodle. give me a name and i will tell you why they did better than neo this year.
now that you somehow picked a name, keep in mind theres more players who didnt make the list. jkaem, rain, dennis, fallen, edward, shroud, byali, cajunb, jw, pimp, and on and on and on...
and for each one you have to explain why neo deserves a spot in the top20 instead of them.
sorry, but a top20 list only has 20 spots.
^ (these 2 are easy)
Stats padded by NA lans for fer, not even that good on average, not even the best player on his team. No bo3 win for 10 months. No stand out lans.
ChrisJ's BEST lan was a 1.16 rating. That's basically what Neo avg'd at the majors. Certainly worse than Niko, you could probably make a case Nex was better but neither deserve it.
Lots of players that missed were better than these 2 confusing picks to your list. (Kio, JW, etc)
Aizy was legitimately quite good when he played and he's definitely top 25 to me. That being said his team sucked and he didn't get enough meaningful matches. Qualifiers to pad stats don't count. Not quite enough tourneys attended.
If you were to add one of these low volume tournament players then s1mple is the obvious choice, with niko maybe as an outside second. For whatever reason you have that caveat about the last 9 months despite s1mple playing about as many lans as these other players, and playing WAY better.
+cajunb/byali (maybe both if flamie is dropped)
VP attended a ridiculous number of lans this year, and neo had some bad ones certainly towards the end. He was also one of the best players in majors this year, and probably the 2nd best player at one of them. He was MVP of a tournament that his team won after switching roles for them. He played big in the big games, gets impact kills, and wins big clutches.
You don't get credit for lans you don't attend. Stats are harder to come by when you constantly play the big boys rather than get bounced in the group stages as the 2nd or even 3rd best player on your team.
Post edited 2016-01-05 09:16:14
stats padded by NA - sure, but on LAN he still has a high rating even for someone who has padded stats. id say this year he was comparable to edward in terms of overall performance.
chrisj - it doesnt fucking matter how good you were at your peak when overall you were shit. chrisj never put a superstar performance - sure, but he was almost always there for mouz to deliver, unlike neo. neo had good highs but terrible lows. on average neo was not good, but average at best. and 1.16 if far from neos average at majors - neo was shit at cluj, and his average for majors this year was 1.08 - not great yet still above average for him.
niko only been playing on a relevant level for a couple of months, similarly to coldzera. nex was pretty much an onliner this year, chrisj was much better at lan.
when it comes to kio jw byali etc yes it is hard to choose whos gonna be 20th and whos gonna be 21st. its not hard to not put neo in the top20 this year, he did shit and everyone knows it.
aizy didnt get enough chances - true. s1mple only played on a relevant level for a couple of months yet again unfortunately - hopefully he can be in the top10 in 2016 though. niko didnt play enough too as i said earlier.
flamie dropped? are you mad? on what basis is byali or cajunb better than flamie this year? they both did shit on lan compared to him - and its not like they stepped up when their team needed it like flusha or something...
neo was NOT one of the best players at majors this year, if you look at the actual maps he played - you will notice his performance was fairly low vs top teams and his only good game vs a top team was in the quarterfinals vs nip at cologne on inferno, which vp stomped them on anyway. i mean you talk about padded stats and doing well at group stages... neos stats are a disgrace when it comes to that.
cevo 7 really was the only good tournament he had this year, other than that he did NOT play big in the big games as much as you expect a top20 player to.
you dont get credit for lans you dont attend - true, thats why im missing so many seemingly top players - but at the same time you also dont get credit for just attending lans, you need to fucking perform to get credit and thats where i find neo being in the top20 questionable.
yes stats ARE hard to come by when you only play top teams, thats why i think [?] are underrated, because they play tier2 teams the least. but thats not an excuse to make a list of top20 players only from the top6-7 teams.
you did not explain to me why neo was better this year than the players i mentioned and the players i didnt mention - you explained to me why the players i put in the bottom of the top20 arent higher than where they are.
btw - i did mention jw cajunb kio byali etc, youd notice that if you actually read everything i said. you cant justify neo being above all the players i listed there.
its not about WHETHER the team took advantage of his frags, its about COULD the team take advantage of his frags.
aizy DID deliver for his team, and he DID do his part as an individual. what the team does next has fuck all to do with how well he did!
let me give you a scenario.
g2 vs clg on inferno, g2 are t side. fox runs towards arch and gets instantly killed, but causes a rotation from clg (na rotations) and jdm is left alone in B. g2 take advantage of fox dying at arch and rush B. JDM kills 3 of them, but rain kills him, gets the plant and clg run into the bombsite one by one gifting him the round.
who put their team in a better situation - fox or jdm? by your logic fox delivered for his team because they capitalised on the situation and jdm didnt deliver for his team because even though he got a 3k his team couldnt finish it off. (btw obviously rain was the most impactful because 1v5 clutch but this is about jdm's impact)
this is my point when i say having better teammates should not affect how well you are ranked other than the fact that you play less matches when you dont advance in tournaments. being impactful is about the position you put your team in. it doesnt matter if your team fucked up when you did your part - at least when it comes to discussing how well you performed individually. it doesnt matter if titan lost the round after kenny got a 4k when discussing how well kenny played that round.
hes not the igl, hes not the one thinking of a way to win the round. his thinking of how to win a round should be reflected in the statistics, and the statistics to not back him being a top20 player because if you watch him, he does not perform as much as a top20 player does.
experience should not affect how high players deserve to be ranked. its the same thing as the achievements - shox > fifflaren blah blah blah.
him being a versatile player again should be reflected in the statistics. being less versatile should mean he would die more because he would be more predictable. meaning being versatile means he should be dying less. looking at the numbers, hes either not versatile enough or simply not good enough - or rather hasnt been good enough last year.
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I also think that he has a very important role on his team for their calmness (or lack of it).
He should be higher, but ok ......expected
Post edited 2016-01-04 20:02:10
cmon, first - he is 28 years old,
second - now he has a different role in team, that is fucking obvious. He is IGL, support, brain of VP. Now Byali and Snax shooting headshots, he never be the same guy like in 1.6, but it's doesn't matter - he is still good as fuck. Sometimes great.
I think under normal circumstances I would agree with you but the awp/igl combo made him perform much worse individually, but I don't think it's had much of an impact on taz. everyone is mostly quite stable/consistent on VP now except maybe byali.
Both TaZ and Neo are pro players since 2005, one of the most experienced players on CS community, there are some players with better aim, that is obvious - youngsters like Snax, Byali, Rain, Happy, Olof, device and much more players who are younger...
But yeah, generally i can agree with you.
Post edited 2016-01-05 01:30:32
Anyways, my other point still stands. Neo obviously wasn't AWPing before.
i don't think it's an outrage that he's in the top 20 as some others do tho.
Post edited 2016-01-04 20:51:43
He only attended 3 which were all the majors.
only Chokedoodle Tier 2 teams, no Fun =/ RIP monopoly
rain and cold deserves top20
Post edited 2016-01-04 23:44:50
Neo are very powerful pro but can maybe win more power with major in the u.s because muriscrubs is silvers
Has been completely underrated in GO. He's long been playing roles which allow other plays to the make the flashier plays and get more consistent frags.
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