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Top 20 players of 2015: NEO (17)
By: MIRAA
Time: 2016-01-04 19:28
Game: Counter-Strike: Global Offensive

Next up on our top 20 ranking is Virtus.pro veteran Filip "NEO" Kubski, who makes the list for the very first time since CS:GO was released. With one of the highest clutch records of the year - 67 in total - the 28-year-old played a key part in his team's success, and his versatility made him one of the most exciting players to watch during the summer season.

Filip "NEO" Kubski's career stretches back to the early days of competitive Counter-Strike, with his first international success coming in March 2005, when his Pentagram G-Shock team won the Samsung European Championship, in Hanover, over SK Gaming's Danish team. Success continued to come Kubski's way and titles kept piling up in the following years, but perhaps the most remarkable thing was the team's ability to stick together despite all the hardships thrown at them - and they were quite a few.

Kubski and his four teammates - called the Golden Five - were on more than one occasion left on their own, but they still managed to pull through, becoming the first team to win three WCG medals and two ESWC crowns. But despite their considerable success - which also includes two Extreme Masters titles -, the team struggled for form when CS:GO came around, spelling the end of one of the longest and most beloved rosters in the history of the game. Jakub "kuben" Gurczynski and Mariusz "Loord" Cybulski were replaced by two up-and-coming talents, Paweł "byali" Bieliński and Janusz "Snax" Pogorzelski, and the team have gone from also-rans to title contenders.

After a year which had seen Virtus.pro win EMS One Katowice and finish 3rd-4th at DreamHack Winter, the Polish team began 2015 in dreadful fashion as they crashed out of ASUS ROG Winter - a relatively easy tournament - in the group stage, despite Kubski posting a 1.16 rating - the fifth-highest overall. Then came Inferno Online Pantamera, where Virtus.pro came in fourth place, with just one victory from five matches in the round-robin stage. In Sweden, the 28-year-old had a disappointing 0.90 rating, the second-lowest of the team, only ahead of Wiktor "TaZ" Wojtas (0.82).

Weeks later, Virtus.pro once again travelled to Katowice for a major, and Kubski came into the tournament with fire in his belly as he hoped to help the team to replicate the success from 2014. In the group stage, he picked up 20 frags in the team's victories against 3DMAX and Cloud9 but he was just the squad's third best player, rating-wise, in both matches. In the quarter-final match against Keyd Stars, Kubski delivered a monstrous performance, amassing a whopping 75 frags (+35 K/D, 1.56 rating, map 3 POV video) throughout the series to single-handedly send the team to the last-four stage, topping the tournament's daily charts in the process. With a spot in the final on the line, Virtus.pro were downed 0-2 by fnatic, with Kubski putting up the team's second-highest rating (0.94) of the series. In the end, he was one of the top performers of the event in a total of nine categories. 


NEO had the second-highest rating in Katowice, only behind olofmeister

After the Polish major, Kubski went through a slump in form and was the worst-performing player of Virtus.pro in two of the next three events, Gfinity Spring Masters 1, which the team attended with Michał "MICHU" Müller as a stand-in, and Copenhagen Games. The Polish giants won the title at the Danish event, but still Kubski finished the tournament on a 1.08 rating, and it was in no small part thanks to his performances in the first three bracket rounds, when the team faced Lions, Publiclir.se and Atlantis - hardly top-level opposition. After that, he posted positive ratings on just three of the next nine maps, which shows that the 28-year-old was far from his prime.

The following months brought a mixed bag of emotions for Kubski, who performed well when his teammates struggled (FACEIT League Stage 1 Finals, ESL Pro League Winter Finals and Gfinity Summer Masters) and failed to having a meaningful role when the team were delivering, such as at the ESL Season 18 Finals and at Gfinity Spring Masters 2. Kubski's stars seemed to finally align in July, when he put in solid numbers at the ESL ESEA Pro League Season 1 finals to power the team to the semi-finals of the event. Against fnatic, the 28-year-old was the only player of his team to avoid a negative score as Virtus.pro were defeated 1-2, and he had positives to take from this tournament, having scored the fourth-highest rating of the entire competition (1.15).

Later that month, Virtus.pro were handed a heavy blow, finishing 7th-8th at the FACEIT League Stage 2 Finals, in Valencia, following back-to-back defeats against Na`Vi and Team Kinguin. Kubski, just like his teammates, was largely disappointing, but redemption would soon come his way. At the CEVO Season 7 Finals, he became the primary AWPer on the roster, a move that instantly bore fruits as he was the joint-highest performer of the team (1.17 rating), together with Jarosław "pashaBiceps" Jarząbkowski, putting in great numbers when it mattered most, in the semi-final against Cloud9 (1.22) and in the grand final against Natus Vincere (1.15). This was the tournament where he used the AWP the most, and his contribution to the team's success did not go unnoticed as he earned the unofficial title of MVP of the competition.


NEO produced a master-class of CS at the CEVO finals 

The next offline tournament was ESL One Cologne, where Virtus.pro once again managed to finish in the top four. Kubski was in the green in every match up until the semi-final clash with fnatic, in which he finished just one map with a positive score. In the end, he netted a 1.04 rating, which was Virtus.pro's fourth-highest of the tournament.

The next event on the calendar was Gaming Paradise - a tournament marred by controversy. Kubski had the second-best rating in the team (1.05), who finished in fourth place, but not many conclusions should be drawn from such a troublesome competition. After the adventure in Slovenia, the players flew straight to Dubai for the ESL ESEA Pro League Invitational, featuring a hefty $250,000 prize pool. Kubski's best performance came in a game against TSM on de_mirage, where he posted a 27-19 score, and it was overall a great showing from the 28-year-old, who inspired his team to win the title with a 1.06 rating - the seventh-highest of the entire event.

One of the lowest points of 2015 for Kubski came in the next tournament, the Gfinity Champion of Champions, as he had the worst rating in the team (0.67) with just 60 frags (almost half as many as Pogorzelski) across the best-of-five clash against EnVyUs. He made up for that at the PGL Season 1 Finals, in Bucharest, where he posted a 0.99 rating to help the team to finish runners-up to TSM.

Virtus.pro returned to Romania weeks later for DreamHack Open Cluj-Napoca, which turned out to be Virtus.pro's - and Kubski's - worst major of 2015 as they finished outside the top four for the first time following a 0-2 defeat against G2 in the quarter-finals. For Kubski in particular it was a disappointing tournament as he ended up with a rating of 0.87 - the team's lowest - and a -12 K/D score.


Cluj-Napoca was NEO's worst major of the year 

The Polish team travelled to North America hoping to win another CEVO title and put the results at the major behind them. Pogorzelski and Jarząbkowski were both on a hot streak during the tournament, but Kubski also looked sharp, scoring a 1.06 rating that put him just outside the top 10 performers of the tournament.

Two weeks later, Virtus.pro competed at IEM San Jose with Müller once again as a stand-in, and this time they were sent packing after one just game as they fell short against Liquid. For Kubski in particular, this was a tournament to forget as he posted an extremely low rating of 0.40 (-24).

Before the end of the year, Virtus.pro still had one final test, which was the FACEIT League Stage 3 Finals, at DreamHack Winter. Until the last-four stage, Kubski had just one sub-1.00 rating in four maps, and despite scoring an impressive 1.45 rating on map one of the semi-final clash against fnatic, he was unable to prevent the Swedish team from turning the series around in convincing fashion.

Why is he the 17th best player of 2015?

Kubski makes the cut primarily due to his important role in most of the big tournaments where Virtus.pro placed well, including the first two majors of the year. In Katowice, he truly displayed his talents, being overshadowed only by fnatic's Olof "olofmeister" Kajbjer.

At times, the 28-year-old struggled for consistency, but he still finished the year with the seventh-highest K-D difference at majors and as the fourth-best clutcher in the game, which are tremendous achievements. It is worth noting that Kubski's two worst events - Gfinity Champion of Champions and IEM San Jose - were single matches, which offer very little in the way of painting a picture of consistency.


NEO is the oldest player on our top 20 list 

The fact that Kubski became Virtus.pro's main AWPer at CEVO 7 and was right there the MVP of the event really says it all about the 28-year-old's versatility and quality. Since he started using the glass cannon regularly, Virtus.pro have won 74.8 per cent of rounds in which he picked up at least one AWP kill, which has since been the highest percentage among AWPers in the game.

Being the oldest player of this top 20 list is in itself a major achievement for Kubski. At the age of 28, he continues to prove that he is among the best in the game, and his ability to swap between roles and continue to deliver on a regular basis just shows that he is ready for all the challenges that will be thrown his way in 2016.

What do you think about Kubski's performances in 2015? Does he deserve our 17th spot or do you rate him differently? Let us know your opinion in the comment section below.

Stay tuned to our Top 20 players of 2015 ranking powered by EGB.com and keep track of the list over at the Introduction article.

surprising
2016-01-04 19:29:11
0.4 rating ))))))))
2016-01-04 19:36:02
nvm actually.

Post edited 2016-01-04 19:44:33
2016-01-04 19:40:36
lel
2016-01-04 19:29:12
expected
2016-01-04 19:29:15
dafuq
2016-01-04 19:29:15
nice
2016-01-04 19:29:15
unexpected but nice
2016-01-04 19:29:16
Jeez again not first, guy do you spend the night here?

Post edited 2016-01-04 19:40:13
2016-01-04 19:29:20
Dude, your 15 seconds late and you expect first?! Oh my god!

:DDDD
2016-01-04 19:45:29
joke
2016-01-04 19:29:23
i knew it
2016-01-04 19:29:29
Yea
2016-01-04 19:29:31
m1
2016-01-04 19:29:31
#freeswag
2016-01-04 21:55:40
12th
edit: :(

Post edited 2016-01-04 19:30:11
2016-01-04 19:29:33
unexpected
2016-01-04 19:29:44
Most of his achievements were against KeyD Stars, FeelsBadMan
2016-01-04 19:29:48
Overrated af
2016-01-04 19:29:49
nt dosia
2016-01-04 19:33:42
21:37
2016-01-05 08:33:42
EARLY
2016-01-04 19:29:56
GLHF "legend" #olofbois
2016-01-04 19:30:12
haha NEO in top 20 ? :'DDD
2016-01-04 19:30:13
nt "expert" kid..
2016-01-04 20:22:28
nt prolly not polak "kid"
2016-01-04 20:50:08
looks statictics kids https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSLy-nWlL7Y
2016-01-05 00:45:05
h3h3

Post edited 2016-01-04 19:30:37
2016-01-04 19:30:24
neo 2gud

Post edited 2016-01-04 19:31:29
2016-01-04 19:30:29
INB4 Mad polaks, cuz NEO not top1
2016-01-04 19:30:35
after that many years still being in top 20 is good enough achievment
2016-01-04 19:31:35
well only retarded bellend from finland would think that neo should be top 1
2016-01-04 19:35:54
You should really swap to chrome or firefox, IE is just too slow, its not 2010 anymore
2016-01-04 20:01:30
and another one
2016-01-04 21:23:56
Why he would be top1 this time? You're mad cuz allu got kicked from nip

top kek
2016-01-04 23:09:01
and another one, yall getting real triggered ROFL
2016-01-04 23:14:02
the real question is will f0rest be in top 20
2016-01-04 19:30:46
lol, of course! the real question is will f0rest be in top 10
2016-01-04 19:31:47
maybe not in top10 but should be close
2016-01-04 19:46:15
f0rest will be between 10-20 if he is on the list at all. Let's compare him to Shox who has placed pretty much the same as him since the beginning of csgo(2/3 and 7/8). Shox has won more than f0rest in 2015, shox has better LAN and MAJOR rating in 2015. Shox also has better clutch win % than f0rest as well. I think shox will be 10th at best, probably like 12-13 this year, so I would expect f0rest to be somehwere around #15 if he is on the list at all.
2016-01-04 19:48:56
I think he might be #16-13 Somewhere around there
2016-01-04 19:50:56
agree
2016-01-04 19:58:25
he wont be in top20.
2016-01-04 20:47:49
olof,happy,guardian,flusha,GTR,KennyS,NBK,Snax,KRiMZ,device > forest

forest 11~14
2016-01-04 20:06:05
probably not, 2015 wasn't so good year for NiP and they won only ASUS Rog tournament
2016-01-04 19:34:27
Hell yeah NEO back in top! GOD NEO
2016-01-04 19:31:05
nice NEO! Legend making his way back into top3 <3
2016-01-04 19:31:19
dont you mean top 20
2016-01-04 19:37:17
next seized.
2016-01-04 19:31:23
seized should be top 15 imo. He really carries navis ass on lan tournaments xD
2016-01-04 20:06:53
rip taz tho
2016-01-04 19:31:34
Yah exactly what I thought
2016-01-04 19:33:02
Nice. Legend
2016-01-04 19:32:06
bet 99.9% of the people complaining dont read the articles for these top 20's and maybe will get some ideas why the people got the placings but w/e...
2016-01-04 19:32:23
+1 neo is the heart of VP and stuff, but imo he's still not top20. mb top25.
2016-01-04 19:34:25
+1
read headline->insta comment
2016-01-04 19:36:39
sure thing
2016-01-04 20:43:58
+1

That's a given in HLTV.org
2016-01-04 21:22:45
exactly
2016-01-04 21:27:33
Couldn't agree more
2016-01-04 22:08:19
EleGiggle
2016-01-04 19:32:34
neo <3
2016-01-04 19:32:50
Expected.
2016-01-04 19:32:50
GJ
2016-01-04 19:32:57
I actually seen this one coming, but I expected NEO to be 19-20th
2016-01-04 19:33:27
+1 Imo Allu had a better year even though he didnt win anything. Abit BS imo but not my ranking so.
2016-01-04 19:45:51
allu had better year? loled so hard, they even didnt win single tournament
2016-01-04 20:49:06
Individually he had a better year. If you base it of wins its like saying

Taz is a top20 player cause he won tournaments. Stop being delusional kid.
2016-01-04 20:50:21
taz is the worst vp player since theyre playing with this lineup, but honestly i didnt expect neo also more likely allu to be top20.
2016-01-04 20:54:53
allu didn't win any tournaments, but he often carried nip, in the biggest games aswell. Neo won several tournaments, but got carried by snax, byali and pasha most of the times.
2016-01-04 21:16:16
pasha? he sucks lol
2016-01-04 22:09:16
neo rarely got carried, neo was always putting up solid frags and assist and he plays a very passive support role which balances out this hyper aggressive team
2016-01-05 06:57:11
"NEO is the oldest player on our top 20 list". What do you mean? god fox is top3
2016-01-04 19:33:43
xdd

and neo is still older i think
2016-01-04 19:35:24
fox is 29 I think
2016-01-04 19:52:50
neo > apex? lol
2016-01-04 19:34:45
yes cause apex sucked when he was in titan and neo was kinda constant all 3/4 of the year
2016-01-04 19:39:17
That's not really that he sucked. He was fllowing ex6's calls that told him to push more or less everwhere without thinking. And know, in EnVy, he needs to think and to focus so his level improved.
2016-01-05 06:29:24
its obvious baguette
2016-01-04 19:43:56
Neo is the top20? Is CSGO's talent pool actually shrinking?
2016-01-04 19:34:55
CS:GO talent pool looooooooooooool cs:go has no talents
2016-01-04 19:38:15
..or "hard work pays off"
2016-01-04 19:40:56
idd he's not even top3 in his own team.
2016-01-04 21:17:20
deserved
2016-01-04 19:35:03
It´s Hannover ;)
2016-01-04 19:35:03
Nice. Neo is a legend
2016-01-04 19:35:34
I knew it tbh :) gl hf!
2016-01-04 19:35:59
niceme.me top14/15 ez
2016-01-04 19:36:31
Deserved.
2016-01-04 19:36:33
nice
2016-01-04 19:37:20
neo <33333
2016-01-04 19:37:21
Neo in Top20 wtf???
2016-01-04 19:37:25
legend <3
2016-01-04 19:37:55
like Robert Lewandowski :)
2016-01-04 19:39:39
Jesus, he was already 28 y.o. How quickly time passes :((
2016-01-04 19:38:36
True legend.
2016-01-04 19:39:37
deserved!
2016-01-04 19:39:39
neo is love
2016-01-04 19:39:45
nice joke XDDDDD
2016-01-04 19:40:47
wtf? he should not be on this list. he has been too inconsistent and not as impactful as a top20 player should be.

even if we look at the list we have now so far - its ridiculous to say neo played better this year or was more impactful this year than apex allu and skadoodle.



hugely disappointing :/

Post edited 2016-01-04 19:43:05
2016-01-04 19:42:06
retard lol
2016-01-04 19:44:37
id like to see what your top20 list would be. should be a good laugh.


fact is, when you start listing players for the top20 list and you start putting them in order, you will quickly realise that neo is barely even top30. if you want i can make a list for you but i hope thats not necessary, id like to assume you can do that yourself.
2016-01-04 19:48:28
man, did u just say that skadoodle and allu were more impactfull in 2015 than NEO? Please check what did NEO won this year and what allu with ska won. Neo was second most impactfull player in VP this year when they were winning tournaments. Cevo 7, ESL DUBAI, Cevo 8 and very, very good (#7) MAJOR stats which is most important tournaments in CSGO. Just stop this hate on this guy. Ska can suck a dick with allu.
2016-01-04 19:52:27
You realise most people rank their players in terms of skill. Not what you win. Allu and Ska is far better individuals than Neo.
2016-01-04 20:03:16
So you would rank for example crazily skilled onliners above players like neo, because they have better skill and are better induviduals according to you?
2016-01-04 20:07:02
Ska and Allu arent onliners though thats the diffrence.
2016-01-04 20:14:05
crazily skilled LAN players in top competitions. the list should be based on personal performances rather than team performances, this is a top20 PLAYERS list.
2016-01-04 21:57:57
ska better than neo? ur drunk man. its just awp'er. hes uselles without AWP. Players needs to be versatile like Neo is, not like ska.
2016-01-04 20:11:04
So what? Its like saying kennyS is mostlikely gonna be useless without an AWP so he is not top10 at all.
2016-01-04 20:14:46
But kennyS knows how to play with rifles lol. Hes also awesome pistol player. Dont see ur point m8
2016-01-04 20:16:24
Yes but not well enough to be compared to Neo. He is like a top30-40 rifler in the world. That isnt to great. And Skadoodle does know how to Rifle its just that he plays with the AWPer more than any other AWP it seems like.

Post edited 2016-01-04 20:19:07
2016-01-04 20:18:58
For me ska is the worst rifler is C9 but ur opinion is ur opinion i will respect that. For me neo is just better as individual player.
2016-01-04 20:20:22
I mean the only reason i would put Neo ahead of skadoodle is because of what work he does outside the game. Meaning studying demos flashes smokes etc etc i know he works alot with that and that is why i would put him ahead. Otherwise i feel like Skadoodle has more impact in his team.
2016-01-04 20:25:23
Neo had big impact in 2015 in his team for me, but ye, skadoodle had more than he. The minus thing for ska is that he dont win anything sooo its like his work was uselles. Just hope c9 can get 5'th good player and improve on scene.
2016-01-04 20:31:10
Yeah they should have won 1 out of the 3 finals but they didnt sadly. Thats probably why he is ranked lower than neo cause he didnt win anything as neo did.
2016-01-04 20:37:30
Yup, prob thats why. Thanks for normal disscusion LOL!
2016-01-04 20:38:28
Haha no problem was pretty suprised that it was a normal conversation you dont get these in HLTV often these days haha.
2016-01-04 20:44:11
haha this discussion was nice to follow. A rare sight here at hltv ;3
2016-01-04 21:20:28
so here is something to think about for you because i see you everywhere criticising this placement. neO is not a more skilled player than apex or skadoodle when they play well. so why is neo up higher on the list? because he is smart. and the team uses him well so he can be consistent versus the best teams in the world. how would you support the argument that skadoodle should be higher? hes won nothing( admit that doesnt say much) and hes worse in ratings. same for apex. we all know they are better individual players, but that doesnt matter.
2016-01-04 21:36:48
skadoodle is a better rifler than freakazoid, and arguably even better rifler than n0thing. c9 dont have 5th yet, but skadoodle is not a bad rifler, thats what makes him unique in NA - or at least did until s1mple joined Liquid.
2016-01-04 22:00:28
impactful inside the server is obviously what i meant. was fifflaren a more impactful player than shox because shox wasnt winning as much? fuck no!

"Just stop this hate on this guy. Ska can suck a dick with allu." fanboy much? im not "hating" on neo, im stating the facts. im not a fan of skadoodle, i infact somewhat dislike him - that doesnt make me think hes a bad player though, and if you tell me neo was a better player in 2015 than skadoodle i would say youre simply mad.

winning tournaments is not what this top20 list should be about, i dont want to see a list of the top4 teams this year - i already know who they are. neo did not play great this year, and to say he did is to not only undervalue what other players did, but also to undervalue how good he was as a player in previous years.
2016-01-04 21:55:54
Of course neo was better than ska in 2015. Pretty much obvious.
2016-01-04 22:06:24
inside the server, not in terms of achievements.

skadoodle was shit at the majors, other than that he was a top3 awper for half a year. neo was playing worse month by month the first half of the year, and when he switched to awping the only good tournament he had was the first one. after that he again started playing worse and worse every month.

you cant possibly look at those numbers and think 'yeah, he totally outclassed skadoodle' unless you are blindly biased.
2016-01-04 22:10:24
eeeh i think Neo did better in achievements... more wins if that is the kind of achievement you're talking about. Plus Neo was playing well in Katowice, CEVO, and more... not just the first one
2016-01-04 22:14:24
this is a top20 PLAYERS ranking, not top20 TEAMS. achievements should never count towards top players - fifflaren was never better than shox, taz is not better than aizy, jw is not better than guardian, and devilwalks major does not make him greater than device.
2016-01-04 22:20:13
ok then forget about achievement then we go to consistency. Yes skadoodle had a very good about 1/2 or less year but Neo had a more better 3/4, which if it comes to individuality and this TOP 20 PLAYERS ranking LAN stats are most considered, in which ska never even made it pass group and Neo had top 1 in 9 categories at katowice, he didn't as much in the next majors but averagely copes. Plus is not my fault achievements are considered no need to make me look like the decider.
2016-01-04 22:25:02
personally i wouldnt put skadoodle in the top20 because he missed the entire first half of the year, but even then hed still be above neo in a ranking.

i wouldnt mention neo when it comes to consistency - he was the most inconsistent VP player this year. he has a tournament with a 0.4 rating and a tournament with 0.67 rating, and those werent just bo1 losses... he only performed above his team average in 8 tournaments yet below his team average in 13. thats not fucking consistency.

neo had 3/4ths of the year where he was an average pro for a top10 team and 1/4th where he was below average for a top20 team. skadoodle had only played for half a year, yet majority of the tournaments he played he would be an above average player for a top5 team.

neo did great at katowice - not denying it. in contrast skadoodle did great at EEPL, eswc and dh valencia. its about the entire year, and skadoodle had a better one. performing well at a major is important of course, but neo wasnt performing all too well in the next majors...

its not your fault achievements are counted, but my initial criticism wasnt directed towards you was it? (#102)
2016-01-04 22:38:28
There are a lot of things to be account for Neo's individual:
-he's 28 and play among 20's
-he slumps down from cluj to san jose which are 3 of the last months which is 1/4 in which the rest 3/4 he played fairly well
-consistency doesn't always mean keeping a high rate in a long time, but if you look at neo's stats provided above, he has ratings 1.0 +1 or -1 give or take which is consistent
-his impact is seen from the game sense view, not mostly from the skills
-and since when was VP a top 20 team? they were mostly top 3 the whole year
-and #340 you kinda lashed out the whole achivement thing on me so :P
2016-01-04 22:53:31
-his age should not matter when it comes to ranking. if a 100 year old grandma moves the mouse shes not suddenly the best cs player.

-he played fairly well in the first 3 quarters - not at a star level though, and thats what the top20 should be about. he played average for a top10 team, and thats average from 50 players - should put him at 25th.

-he was consistently inconsistent. just like VP always is. consistent inconsistency isnt consistency.

-game sense should not be a determining factor in a top20 players list. i dont want to see pronax on this list, as much as i love him.

-when did i say VP was a top20 team? read what i said again. "...he was below average for a top20 team." meaning, that if we pick a top20 team and compare his performances to players in that team, it would be below average for them. i never said vp was a top20 team. btw they were not mostly top3 all year - top5 all year sure, top4 most of the year quite possibly. top3 no.


-i didnt phrase that correctly, i shouldve just said if you dont agree with it dont justify it.

no hard feelings <3
2016-01-04 23:10:05
-he was viably consistent this year, even though average or a bit below and above he was STILL consistent
-game sense DOES affect these, pronax probably wouldn't make because stat-wise... he didn't do anything much prolific or worth standing out
-being 28 puts his reflexes and nerve capability lower than most of the others, EVEN waaay more than the ones still under 20 (like jks ex)

in other words he DESERVED the spot (even though I didn't expect him to be on 17, most far 20 but 17 is in a way acceptable) :)

o yea no hard feeling xD
2016-01-04 23:16:40
-well that means he was average. average is not good enough for top20.

-game sense matters as much as aim. tarik has peanut brain but great aim. pronax has great game sense but shit aim. if pronax sneaks behind tarik and shoots him but misses enough for tarik to be able to turn around and still kill him, tarik is a better player at CS.

your stats are a combination of aim, positioning, game sense, aggression, etc. and if your positioning makes up for your shit aim enough then the shit aim does not matter. this is how much game sense plays a role on an individual level. if neo has unreal game sense but hes still average for a pro, that means his aim or positioning is shit, or something else is wrong. its about the balance. im certain that most players in the top20 have good game sense, but if they have significantly better aim then they are better players.


-again, going back to my statement. a 100 year old grandma wont be considered a cs god because she can move the mouse. age should not change how high players deserve to be ranked.


-read #369 on what i think about neo "deserving" top20. 'there can only be 20 players in the top20'.
2016-01-04 23:46:15
show us your top20 list instead
2016-01-04 20:10:06
This is not in order but heres 20 players better than neo

Olof
Krimz
Flusha
Snax
Happy
Guardian
f0rest
gtr
kennyS
NBK
Dupreeh
Device
Aizy
Rain
Flamie
allu
Cold
xyp9x
NiKo
dennis/seized

Post edited 2016-01-04 20:23:41
2016-01-04 20:23:00
Thats true but, niko, cold, allu, rain and aizy achieved almost nothing, thats why neo is above.

Post edited 2016-01-04 20:51:27
2016-01-04 20:51:10
Yeah i know :/ I feel really bad for aizy rain and cold cause they really stood out this year. Had amazing performences but never won anything really.
2016-01-04 20:53:07
yeah, imagine if nip managed to pick up rain, would've been really cool.
2016-01-04 21:21:40
Yeah but NiP never picks up the good young talents. They had these to pick from that they could have chose in 2014/2015.

Rain
Dennis
Olofm
Krimz
Jkeam
Aizy when he left Dig.
2016-01-04 21:25:27
rain should make it in i guess... his case is like kenny's last year but given his raw skills he should be there :P
2016-01-04 22:54:22
He wont make it in cause it said in the HLTV news that you have to had attended four 250k tournaments which rain didnt. Sadly
2016-01-04 23:07:32
Some of those players hardly played, you don't get credit for not attending tournaments. They'll have their chance next year.
2016-01-04 22:54:45
lol where byali
2016-01-05 00:42:41
i wrote a list and a decently long explanation but got a capatcha and the reply disappeared. ffs hltv fix your shit. heres a shorter version of what i said.


this list only includes players who played for at least 9 months or so, because there has to be a line drawn for how much you can miss and this is where i draw it ("a year has twelve months").


olof
guardian
devve
flusha
kennys
snax
happy
krimz
nbk
dupreeh
flamie
get_right
shox
seized
f0rest
apex
aizy
fer
chrisj
allu


if i went on neo wouldnt be in my top30, and if i included players who only played on a relevant level for half a year neo wouldnt be in my top40.

looks like thorin doesnt think neo belongs on the top20 list either.
2016-01-04 21:47:34
higher skills doesn't necessarily mean higher impact... the ranks includes how impactful the player is to the team's work, in which Neo delivers better in that aspect from the players you mentioned up above. True the lacks of aizy, apex, chrisj, and allu has better skills. But this year they didn't deliver any consistent impact or even result consistency at all. Same case as kenny last year but since his form was insane, he got to 6th. Neo and his teammates are also the most solid of all, since they practically never have rumors or anything that indicates any "internal problems" this also affects one's performances.
2016-01-04 22:12:11
why should the ranking favor players with better teammates? thats silly... just because aizy has worse teammates and him getting a 4k isnt enough to win the round doesnt mean that neos single awp kill on a flashed guy at long A is more impactful...

this isnt about skills OR impact on tournament placings, this is about the performances you put in game at LANs.
2016-01-04 22:16:59
implying that he does that getting a single awp kill throughout the year rather than aizy doing it like 1-2 times per 3 month (that actually affects a result) is of course more impactful. You did read the part of those awp kills right?
2016-01-04 22:19:22
you are taking the word impactful and defining it as "things that win you rounds". vuggo should be on this list then, dont you think? and so should starix! they were impactful... they affected the results...

fuck no, this list is supposed to be who played better. impactful does not necessarily imply that your team took advantage of the situations you were putting them in, impactful means you put your team in a good situation by what you did in the server. dont twist the argument over the definition of the word, look at the actual fucking picture - aizy is a better player, he should be above worse players.

now its another thing if the better player does not perform when needed - then theres an argument to be made for worse players to be ranked higher, like allu>skadoodle. but thats not the case when the better player performs but his team isnt there to support him.
2016-01-04 22:27:57
74% round win percentage every single awp kill. How is that not putting your team in a good situation?? And I never said Neo>aizy no i did say aizy was a better player than Neo. And don't worry I never meant impactful as in winning, but i meant in always delivering in the times needed whether the result comes out as expected or not, and since Neo is now basically a support player, he did just that to achieve this and seriously if you only take account skill and not include personal and team achievements then making a top something would just be waste. It's like saying Neymar is way better than Ronaldo because Neymar has more skill and flair while Ronaldo had only won like 2 different leagues in different years...
2016-01-04 22:37:05
you are misinterpreting what i said. i never said neo doesnt put his team in an advantageous situation. i just said that the 74% doesnt mean neo is good, it means neos team is good. let me elaborate.

team win% when player X got a kill. that means that when player X put his team in a good situation, his team won it 74% of the time. that does NOT say how often he PUTS his team in an advantageous situation, that says how often his team TAKES ADVANTAGE of his kills. that means his team plays well around him.

the stat that says HOW OFTEN he put his team in an advantageous situation is the AWP kills per round. neo has 0.2 AWP kills per round. Guardian has 0.39 AWP kills per round (off the top of my head). if guardian gets an awp kill but his team only gets 64% round wins when he gets an awp kill, that does not mean he doesnt put his team in an advantageous situation more often than neo.

my whole point was that the 74% stat is meaningless, because neo couldve been playing for CSGL and been getting the same exact kills but only have 34% round win rate when he gets kills - but he is still the same player.


aizy DOES deliver in times when needed more. im not ranking by SKILL, im ranking by INDIVIDUAL PERFORMANCE. the analogy you gave is inaccurate, a better analogy would be Ronaldo scores 2 goals a game on average but still loses the game 2:3 more often than not, meanwhile Neymar scores a goal every second game but thats good enough for his team to be winning more games than Ronaldos team - that doesnt make Neymar better, that makes Neymars team better - therefore Neymars team should be ranked higher in a team ranking but Ronaldo should still be ranked above Neymar in a player ranking.


sorry my replies are so long, its just my style of writing - i like to explain in detail rather than be vague with my answers.
2016-01-04 23:33:37
+111111
2016-01-05 00:45:22
I usually agree with thorin because he follows common sense, but NEO was plain better than pasha this year. Deserves top 20.
2016-01-04 22:56:44
being better than pasha this year isnt that great of an achievement m8, pasha shouldnt be in top20 either.

i would say it is debatable for who is the 2nd 3rd 4th and 5th best on VP right now and throughout the whole year, but other than snax none of them should be in top20 anyway.

look at my list. tell me who to remove, and to add neo instead of. now keep in mind that you already have to remove someone to make space for skadoodle. give me a name and i will tell you why they did better than neo this year.

now that you somehow picked a name, keep in mind theres more players who didnt make the list. jkaem, rain, dennis, fallen, edward, shroud, byali, cajunb, jw, pimp, and on and on and on...

and for each one you have to explain why neo deserves a spot in the top20 instead of them.


sorry, but a top20 list only has 20 spots.
2016-01-04 23:16:33
-fer
-chrisJ
^ (these 2 are easy)
-aizy

Stats padded by NA lans for fer, not even that good on average, not even the best player on his team. No bo3 win for 10 months. No stand out lans.

ChrisJ's BEST lan was a 1.16 rating. That's basically what Neo avg'd at the majors. Certainly worse than Niko, you could probably make a case Nex was better but neither deserve it.

Lots of players that missed were better than these 2 confusing picks to your list. (Kio, JW, etc)

-----

Aizy was legitimately quite good when he played and he's definitely top 25 to me. That being said his team sucked and he didn't get enough meaningful matches. Qualifiers to pad stats don't count. Not quite enough tourneys attended.

If you were to add one of these low volume tournament players then s1mple is the obvious choice, with niko maybe as an outside second. For whatever reason you have that caveat about the last 9 months despite s1mple playing about as many lans as these other players, and playing WAY better.

-fer
-chrisj
-aizy

+ska
+neo
+cajunb/byali (maybe both if flamie is dropped)

VP attended a ridiculous number of lans this year, and neo had some bad ones certainly towards the end. He was also one of the best players in majors this year, and probably the 2nd best player at one of them. He was MVP of a tournament that his team won after switching roles for them. He played big in the big games, gets impact kills, and wins big clutches.

You don't get credit for lans you don't attend. Stats are harder to come by when you constantly play the big boys rather than get bounced in the group stages as the 2nd or even 3rd best player on your team.

Post edited 2016-01-05 09:16:14
2016-01-05 09:07:48
fer - was the best player on his team before coldzera joined. coldzera only played for 3-4 months this year, its ridiculous to put him on a list for the whole year. lack of bo3 wins may be something to consider when ranking teams, but not when ranking players. stand out lans dont matter, its about the consistency - although he did play phenomenally at cologne. he never had a legitimately bad event, unlike neo.

stats padded by NA - sure, but on LAN he still has a high rating even for someone who has padded stats. id say this year he was comparable to edward in terms of overall performance.

chrisj - it doesnt fucking matter how good you were at your peak when overall you were shit. chrisj never put a superstar performance - sure, but he was almost always there for mouz to deliver, unlike neo. neo had good highs but terrible lows. on average neo was not good, but average at best. and 1.16 if far from neos average at majors - neo was shit at cluj, and his average for majors this year was 1.08 - not great yet still above average for him.

niko only been playing on a relevant level for a couple of months, similarly to coldzera. nex was pretty much an onliner this year, chrisj was much better at lan.

when it comes to kio jw byali etc yes it is hard to choose whos gonna be 20th and whos gonna be 21st. its not hard to not put neo in the top20 this year, he did shit and everyone knows it.

aizy didnt get enough chances - true. s1mple only played on a relevant level for a couple of months yet again unfortunately - hopefully he can be in the top10 in 2016 though. niko didnt play enough too as i said earlier.

flamie dropped? are you mad? on what basis is byali or cajunb better than flamie this year? they both did shit on lan compared to him - and its not like they stepped up when their team needed it like flusha or something...


neo was NOT one of the best players at majors this year, if you look at the actual maps he played - you will notice his performance was fairly low vs top teams and his only good game vs a top team was in the quarterfinals vs nip at cologne on inferno, which vp stomped them on anyway. i mean you talk about padded stats and doing well at group stages... neos stats are a disgrace when it comes to that.

cevo 7 really was the only good tournament he had this year, other than that he did NOT play big in the big games as much as you expect a top20 player to.

you dont get credit for lans you dont attend - true, thats why im missing so many seemingly top players - but at the same time you also dont get credit for just attending lans, you need to fucking perform to get credit and thats where i find neo being in the top20 questionable.

yes stats ARE hard to come by when you only play top teams, thats why i think [?] are underrated, because they play tier2 teams the least. but thats not an excuse to make a list of top20 players only from the top6-7 teams.

you did not explain to me why neo was better this year than the players i mentioned and the players i didnt mention - you explained to me why the players i put in the bottom of the top20 arent higher than where they are.

btw - i did mention jw cajunb kio byali etc, youd notice that if you actually read everything i said. you cant justify neo being above all the players i listed there.
2016-01-05 12:59:23
LOL'd. Just read the article, mate.
2016-01-04 20:01:37
i did, but the fact that he his team has been most efficient with him doesnt make him a top20 player. there have been much better players this year, and nip not knowing how to use allu correctly does not make allu himself a worse player than neo for example.
2016-01-04 21:50:17
Having his team being more efficient with him DOES make him one. Because that means he delivers for his team and did his part as an INDIVIDUAL, which is accounted for in this ranking.
2016-01-04 22:29:08
NO, NO, NO. YOUR LOGIC IS ALL BACKWARDS.

its not about WHETHER the team took advantage of his frags, its about COULD the team take advantage of his frags.

aizy DID deliver for his team, and he DID do his part as an individual. what the team does next has fuck all to do with how well he did!

let me give you a scenario.

g2 vs clg on inferno, g2 are t side. fox runs towards arch and gets instantly killed, but causes a rotation from clg (na rotations) and jdm is left alone in B. g2 take advantage of fox dying at arch and rush B. JDM kills 3 of them, but rain kills him, gets the plant and clg run into the bombsite one by one gifting him the round.


who put their team in a better situation - fox or jdm? by your logic fox delivered for his team because they capitalised on the situation and jdm didnt deliver for his team because even though he got a 3k his team couldnt finish it off. (btw obviously rain was the most impactful because 1v5 clutch but this is about jdm's impact)


this is my point when i say having better teammates should not affect how well you are ranked other than the fact that you play less matches when you dont advance in tournaments. being impactful is about the position you put your team in. it doesnt matter if your team fucked up when you did your part - at least when it comes to discussing how well you performed individually. it doesnt matter if titan lost the round after kenny got a 4k when discussing how well kenny played that round.
2016-01-04 22:54:05
thats why i said that "he did his PART as an INDIVIDUAL" yes it doesn't matter of the outcome of the round, but what they do is important, in which Neo does it smoothly and not onlt did his part but also manages to think of a way to use the situation he has to WIN the round, not only do his part. THAT'S where Neo excels in due to his 10(? ore more) year's of experience. Which, brain wise is making him the more versatile player.
2016-01-04 22:58:31
in the 74% he is not the one necessarily winning the round, its his team whos doing it. what matters is not the win rate, but how many kills per round and per game he gets.

hes not the igl, hes not the one thinking of a way to win the round. his thinking of how to win a round should be reflected in the statistics, and the statistics to not back him being a top20 player because if you watch him, he does not perform as much as a top20 player does.

experience should not affect how high players deserve to be ranked. its the same thing as the achievements - shox > fifflaren blah blah blah.


him being a versatile player again should be reflected in the statistics. being less versatile should mean he would die more because he would be more predictable. meaning being versatile means he should be dying less. looking at the numbers, hes either not versatile enough or simply not good enough - or rather hasnt been good enough last year.
2016-01-04 23:54:33
idd. Neo has has a few good streaks with his awp, but nothing that impressive. Snax, byali and pasha have performed better than neo this year.
2016-01-04 21:18:52
WTF? what a joke...
2016-01-04 19:42:31
wtf 17?
2016-01-04 19:42:55
TOP 15 NEO <333
2016-01-04 19:43:42
deserved, well done NEO.
2016-01-04 19:44:10
well deserved legend.
2016-01-04 19:45:07
I didn't expect that

gz legend
2016-01-04 19:45:09
wow peshabicep is numbr 1)))

'ma frin' xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxa he very funny

i type this on my moms phone
2016-01-04 19:45:21
cheeki breeki ivdamke idi na hui
2016-01-04 19:50:53
lmao
2016-01-04 19:45:43
nice
2016-01-04 19:46:30
gj Neo ! Nice to see him again in top20
2016-01-04 19:46:33
no brazilian players on the top 20 it seems :c
2016-01-04 19:47:23
fallen should be high imo
2016-01-04 20:05:49
#1 you mean
2016-01-04 19:48:13
If neo is in top 20 and shox wont be there i aamgoing to quit cs
2016-01-04 19:48:20
lol

you can start uninstalling m8
2016-01-04 19:50:01
You can quit.
2016-01-04 19:51:22
Byali and Snax in top 15, calling it now. Its good to see Fifi in top 20 again, after 3 years of absence.
2016-01-04 19:50:17
Snax top 10 for sure ! Byali will be 16 th or 15 th but not higher. I even feel like he may have been left out
2016-01-04 19:52:56
I would be very surprised if we see byali in top 20 at all this year. He was in fact just average most of the time. Neo was better than him this year. Snax Top 5 mayby, I hope.
2016-01-04 20:54:28
Pretty much yes. Snax will be around 5, not higher i guess. Without health problems and consistency he could be top 1
2016-01-04 21:02:51
neo seriously?
2016-01-04 19:50:29
At first i was like WTF but after reading the article, why not but damn i'm impatient to see where this is going
2016-01-04 19:51:28
should be top1
2016-01-04 19:52:12
deserved. I believe the legend can come back on top as in cs 1.6 era
2016-01-04 19:52:24
From 1 to 17
2016-01-04 19:52:50
pasha will go from 3 to 400 this year
2016-01-04 19:56:25
well deserved
2016-01-04 19:52:55
His aim is average - but sometimes he does crazy things that only a player with his experience can do.

I also think that he has a very important role on his team for their calmness (or lack of it).
2016-01-04 19:55:20
From this we can infer:

Adren fucking blows.
2016-01-04 19:56:28
gg wp Neo
2016-01-04 19:57:54
Neo is not good like in 1.6 era bla bla bla...
cmon, first - he is 28 years old,
second - now he has a different role in team, that is fucking obvious. He is IGL, support, brain of VP. Now Byali and Snax shooting headshots, he never be the same guy like in 1.6, but it's doesn't matter - he is still good as fuck. Sometimes great.
2016-01-04 19:58:04
hasn't taz been igl since cevo? (aka when vp started becoming good in 2015)
2016-01-04 20:00:49
Possible, they exchange each other sometimes. And, in my opinion - Neo is better IGL than TaZ, he has more control of the situation in game.
2016-01-04 20:06:05
actually now that I think about it, it might have been since the faceit stage 1 finale and not cevo, I think I remember taz mentioning it then, sorry.

I think under normal circumstances I would agree with you but the awp/igl combo made him perform much worse individually, but I don't think it's had much of an impact on taz. everyone is mostly quite stable/consistent on VP now except maybe byali.
2016-01-04 20:08:43
Maybe, but you know - i watched VP POVs with Teamspeak in ESL One Katowice 2014 (EMS One), best VP event in CSGO. In this event Neo was been IGL and i heard how he control all.
Both TaZ and Neo are pro players since 2005, one of the most experienced players on CS community, there are some players with better aim, that is obvious - youngsters like Snax, Byali, Rain, Happy, Olof, device and much more players who are younger...

But yeah, generally i can agree with you.

Post edited 2016-01-05 01:30:32
2016-01-05 01:29:50
Neo hasn't been support/IGL for a few months now, he's been VPs main AWPer..
2016-01-04 20:12:59
just look on his fb profile. he said that hi was IGL in last VP tournament..
2016-01-04 20:18:48
Really? I don't use Facebook, sorry. I've only seen TaZ saying that he's been in-game leading a few weeks ago.

Anyways, my other point still stands. Neo obviously wasn't AWPing before.
2016-01-04 20:22:13
ye, he wasnt. he became a main awp'er but also hes igl sometimes
2016-01-04 20:24:29
gj gl NEO
2016-01-04 19:58:44
dissapointing he should be in first 10
2016-01-04 19:59:09
+1
2016-01-04 20:18:50
genuinely, pretty surprised he's in this list, especially higher than players like allu and apex who have clearly been better throughout the entire year individually. i guess the general stability of VP's results comparatively must have had something to do with it.

i don't think it's an outrage that he's in the top 20 as some others do tho.
2016-01-04 20:00:12
He was top notch at the major (he was #10 by rating source: http://www.hltv.org/?pageid=181&statsfilter=15.. ) and I think that's the main factor that he got here. Great to see him back on a great form!

Post edited 2016-01-04 20:51:43
2016-01-04 20:51:23
you're right, I wasn't aware of how well he performed at the major, that should rightfully have a greater impact on the list than other games ofc.
2016-01-04 21:50:10
Well... that is how HLTV top players list works. There is same discussion each year. Yes, team achievement have impact on individual position.
2016-01-04 21:47:24
GTR top1
2016-01-04 20:00:21
next rain/cold/jw/dennis or seized
2016-01-04 20:04:49
dennis wont be there
2016-01-04 20:08:23
Rain wont be there. Neither will JW or dennis.
2016-01-04 20:17:10
Rain have more chances than cold
2016-01-04 20:18:56
But they said that to be in the top20 you have to have attended four 250k tournaments which rain did not.

He only attended 3 which were all the majors.
2016-01-04 20:26:43
probably no rain/cold and dennis, 16. pasha 15. seized 14. JW, the #13+ is only Fnatic/TSM/VP/Navi/NiP boys
2016-01-04 20:30:50
Dennis did attend four 250k tournaments but he wasnt good enough i think this year imo JW wont be there cause he had an awful year imo so idk it will be weird but lets just see what happens. Pasha had also quite a shaky year.
2016-01-04 20:36:35
nice to see neo here :)
2016-01-04 20:06:33
There is only one more guy from VP on that list. It's SNAX
2016-01-04 20:07:17
Wheres is the povs ???
2016-01-04 20:07:52
NEO? LOL
2016-01-04 20:10:35
Neo <3
2016-01-04 20:12:31
So happy for Neo to be there ;) He deserves it in my eyes ;)
2016-01-04 20:15:44
neo god.
2016-01-04 20:16:02
snax the only other VP player on the list? or byali will get there?
2016-01-04 20:16:29
byali probably on 16/15 and snax somewhere in top10
2016-01-04 23:01:52
ya i got byaly 14 and snax 7
2016-01-05 06:58:28
lol neo not top 20
2016-01-04 20:17:42
hahahahaha "expert"
2016-01-04 20:24:26
I'm happy for neo. Deserved! The legend!
2016-01-04 20:21:16
Legend... nice!
2016-01-04 20:23:08
R U KIDDING NEO SUX HES LIKE 400 YEARS OLD
2016-01-04 20:23:20
1. olof
2. flusha
3. GuardiaN
4. KennyS
5. Happy
6. Snax
7. Device
8. NBK
9. GTR
10. KRiMZ
11. dupreeh
12. forest
13. flamie
14. JW
15. pasha
16. seized


21.dennis
22.bialy
23.cold
24.rain
25.NiKo
26. FalleN
27. aizy
28. shox
29. shroud
30. Nitro

only Chokedoodle Tier 2 teams, no Fun =/ RIP monopoly
rain and cold deserves top20
2016-01-04 20:23:26
gtr,forest,pasha out,dupreeh lower

Post edited 2016-01-04 21:20:31
2016-01-04 21:20:19
replace pasha with byali
2016-01-05 06:58:59
Worst list ever lol
2016-01-05 09:33:30
"worst list ever" nice argument ;) kid
2016-01-05 11:47:10
lol in 1.6 #1 in csgo #17 HAHA
2016-01-04 20:25:28
he's too old for #1
2016-01-04 20:28:41
atleast he was #1 in 1.6
not many players can say that
2016-01-04 23:01:46
#2 or #3 in 1.6
2016-01-05 00:34:09
whaaaatttttttt?
2016-01-05 00:40:06
He's playing in steady top 4 team since 10 years
2016-01-05 12:11:30
NEO <3
2016-01-04 20:30:51
NEO <3 legend never die
2016-01-04 20:34:21
Always at the top Neo!!
2016-01-04 20:40:15
Neo u legend <3
2016-01-04 20:42:44
NIJOOOOOOOO <3<3<3
2016-01-04 20:46:58
Legend!
2016-01-04 20:47:04
neo? ru srs this guy fucking sucks im not hater its true fangays
2016-01-04 20:48:14
FUCK YEAH!! NEO IN TOP 20!! Deserved, Neo showed this year that he is back! :D
2016-01-04 20:48:28
Kubski n1
2016-01-04 20:52:05
Oldie but goldie!
2016-01-04 20:54:40
neo Kubski the legend
2016-01-04 20:54:44
1500XD is on #16 confirmed
http://radianaudio.com/product/apex-neo-1500xd/
2016-01-04 20:58:13
Zero NiP players to be included in the list
Calling it
2016-01-04 20:58:23
get_right in top 5 inc
2016-01-04 21:05:01
get right top 1 of course
2016-01-04 21:14:31
powered by xtrfy
2016-01-06 00:30:30
BEST 4EVA
2016-01-04 21:09:59
if NEO is on the list pasha, byali and snax have to be too, which is pretty questionable
2016-01-04 21:27:43
-pasha
2016-01-04 22:22:43
so you think neo was a better player in 15 than pasha? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
2016-01-04 23:21:52
ofc yes
2016-01-05 01:33:40
100% played better, pasha had some monster games but he really played poorly in the majority, he got caught up in streaming too much.
2016-01-05 07:00:48
yes no doubt! never im my mind i though pasza would be in top 20 this year! And i was right!
2016-01-05 12:13:31
-snax
+TaZ
2016-01-04 23:23:31
-you
+someone with more than 10iq
2016-01-04 23:25:19
why so mad, dude
2016-01-04 23:26:05
he played well mostly but dunno if top20
2016-01-04 21:30:48
NEO <3 my favorite player from years
2016-01-04 21:33:44
unexpected, deserved and hopefully he can climb it :D
2016-01-04 21:42:30
Nice
2016-01-04 21:47:50
wtf dude, neo top5
2016-01-04 21:54:18
lol top 50
2016-01-04 22:07:48
rigged, gj hltv.pl
2016-01-04 22:14:43
I knew!
2016-01-04 22:25:50
Neo on his peek this year! Great job Filip! :)
2016-01-04 22:28:07
congratz Filip!
2016-01-04 22:52:29
<3 neo

2016-01-04 23:10:41
neo is love, neo is lyfe <3
2016-01-04 23:21:44
neo king
2016-01-04 23:25:43
neo is a legend but apex > neo 2015 tbh.
2016-01-04 23:43:32
4th place in clutch rounds? Pretty ok :D

Post edited 2016-01-04 23:44:50
2016-01-04 23:43:33
Live legend :) He deserves place in top 20 this year.
2016-01-04 23:44:29
Lmfao wtf, jesus christ this ranking is literally a joke.
2016-01-04 23:48:03
washed up legend... f0rest > Neo

always!
2016-01-04 23:51:37
Who was the best player in the CS 1.6?
fOrest
because Neo was from another planet
2016-01-05 00:38:49
NEO <3
2016-01-04 23:52:53
The King.
2016-01-05 00:06:06
Obvious fan contest. Not even top 30 this year.
2016-01-05 00:32:02
Neo top20 but not more

BUT STILL LEGEND <3
2016-01-05 00:37:46
ESL in Dubai this year It belonged to him
2016-01-05 00:46:11
NEO IS GOD!!!
2016-01-05 01:36:58
neo dont deserve top17. he must be on top10 stupid hltv
2016-01-05 01:42:55
This guy is so humble and good and god.
Neo are very powerful pro but can maybe win more power with major in the u.s because muriscrubs is silvers
2016-01-05 02:38:27
much goodly wording
2016-01-05 06:56:44
1.6 TOP1
2016-01-05 02:44:18
legend
2016-01-05 03:06:08
.40 lawl
2016-01-05 05:11:11
NEO is the oldest player on our top 20 list
RiP taz
2016-01-05 08:24:43
1.6 God

Has been completely underrated in GO. He's long been playing roles which allow other plays to the make the flashier plays and get more consistent frags.

Form is temporary, class is permanent [when the required effort is put in of course]
2016-01-05 10:13:38
Hm, top 1 will be Dosia, god of cs, poor polands!
2016-01-05 10:29:34
"NEO is the oldest player on our top 20 list"
No Taz on the list
2016-01-05 11:20:18
Surprised he's still playing.. Over 10 years now since Pentagram!
2016-01-05 11:22:53
hahaha not even top50.
2016-01-05 12:22:49
LEGEND!
2016-01-05 13:32:52
gtr and forest top 5 getting closer and closer
2016-01-05 14:44:48
EASY TOP 5 LOL
2016-01-05 15:51:54
With one of the highest clutch records of the year - 67 in total - the 28-year-old played a key part in his team's success, and his versatility made him one of the most exciting players to watch during the summer season.
2016-01-05 16:55:57
Didn't have much occasions to see him playing this year cause I didn't get to watch lots of VP matchs but from the few compilations from 2015 I've seen, 17 seems alright for Neo.
2016-01-06 19:24:49
KUBSKY
2016-01-07 17:41:44
17? HLTV are you kidding? Easy TOP 10...
2016-01-07 18:00:05
Expected
2016-01-07 18:33:08
NEO really? LMAO. All I see are Polish saying he is God,number 1 in 2016,deserved. LOL. In 2015 NEO? Really HLTV? lol
2016-01-07 23:59:30
ez top 1 in 1.6
2016-01-08 02:59:33
1.6 god
2016-01-09 02:16:15

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