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Top 20 players of 2015: shox (13)
Time: 2016-01-08 19:33
Game: Counter-Strike: Global Offensive

Richard 'shox' Papillon is no stranger to best player lists, coming in at number 13 in this year’s top 20 ranking powered by EGB.com, thanks to his versatile high level play and solid numbers on the big stages.

After placing 3rd in 2013, a year in which Richard "shox" Papillon had at times been considered the best player in the world, and 8th in 2014, shox ranks five places lower than the year before for the second time in a row.

shox’s roots go back to CS 1.5, with him moving on to every new version after its release, leading him to Counter Strike: Global Offensive through CS:Source, even including a short stint in 1.6 after he was already making his way in CS:S.

shox made his breakthrough in 2008, and had already been signed to VeryGames for the first time by 2009, a team he would later see much success with in both CS:S and CS:GO. By the time he signed for VG, shox was already being considered one of the best in the world.

After leaving VG in late 2009, shox played for LDLC.com and 3DMAX, where he hooked up with current Titan teammate Adil "ScreaM" Benrlitom. That wouldn’t last long, however, as shox would be on his way back to the top signing for VG once again. Alas, after internal problems, shox was removed from the lineup again in late 2011.

With CS:GO’s arrival, ScreaM and shox—who had teamed up once again in Tt Dragons—, would make the jump together under Imaginary Gaming, a team they managed to take to LAN for the SLTV StarSeries IV finals, where they came in 3rd behind ESC and Virtus.pro. 

shox and Ladislav "GuardiaN" Kovács crossed paths at one point

At the start of 2013, however, it was ScreaM’s turn to head to VG, leaving shox to fend for himself playing in different mix teams, including TCM-Gaming for which he qualified to StarSeries VI playing with now Na`Vi superstar GuardiaN. Halfway through the year, though, it would be his time to return home and take the spot in VG that had just been left vacant by Kenny "kennyS" Schrub.

It was during late 2013, after VeryGames managed to dethrone NiP and shox put in solid performance after solid performance, that he had started to be considered the best player in the world.

shox after slaying the Ninjas at RaidCall EMS One Fall 2013

At the top both individually and as a team, shox and the newly renamed Titan, would have a rough beginning to 2014, ending up in shox switching places with kennyS and taking a spot in Clan-Mystik, the team that would eventually go on to represent Epsilon. 

Epsilon was a limited team, and it came as no surprise that shox would take part in the French shuffle that ended up with a new iteration of LDLC.com, a team in which he and Epsilon teammate Fabien "kioShiMa" Fiey joined up with ex-Titan teammates Edouard "SmithZz" Dubourdeaux and Nathan "NBK-" Schmitt under the leadership of Vincent "Happy" Schopenhauer and would go on to win a major at Dreamhack Winter 2014. 

Cue 2015. After their last success under the LDLC.com banner with a 1st place finish at the MLG X Games event in Aspen, Colorado, in which shox had been the 2nd best player on the team with a 1.15 (+41) rating, and the best player in the final, North American organization EnVyUs signed the team ahead of what promised to be an eventful year.

Their first tournament as nV wasn’t their most successful, as the team fell in semifinals to fnatic at the Inferno Online Pantamera Challenge, with shox showing a modest 1.03 (+2) rating. 

Major time rolled around, and shox was ready. While the team would end up falling 2-0 to NiP in a catastrophic semifinal, shox showed he was hungry by posting a 1.13 (+20) rating—the highest in the team—in Katowice.

shox at Gfinity Spring Masters 1, where he put in another solid performance 

shox went on to string three very solid tournaments at Gfinity 2015 Spring Masters 1 (1.20, +45), SLTV Starseries XII Finals (1.08, +16), and ESL Pro League Winter 2014/15 Finals (1.07, +11), the two first ones which his team ended up winning in their new jersey.

CCS Kick-off Season Finals and DreamHack Tours 2015 were the other side of the coin, though, and shox would struggle to find good form and ended up with ratings of 0.79 (-33) and 0.90 (-12), the lowest ratings on the team in both occasions with the team placing 4th and 2nd respectively.

His old form started to come back and shox’s next three events got incrementally better, ending up in a prodigious Gfinity 2015 Summer Masters 1. The first was Gfinity 2015 Spring Masters 2, in which he was 3rd in the team with a 1.02 (+10) rating although the team as a whole ended up no farther than in 5th-6th place.

Next up were the SLTV StarSeries VIII Finals, in which shox posted the first of two best-in-team performances (1.16, +40) leading nV to a second place, followed by an MVP performance at Gfinity Summer Masters—his best event of the year—thanks to a whopping 1.24 (+71) across 12 maps which lead his team to victory.

ESL ESEA Pro League Season 1 Finals was another event in which shox trembled a bit and was unable to maintain a high consistency, as he ended up with a 0.91 (-10) rating in his team’s 5th-6th place finish.

shox sitting very close to Titan at ESWC

shox’s last event was ESWC 2015, an event in which the team was all but broken up. That didn’t stop shox from giving it his all and ending up with a season high rating of 1.27 (+42). 

After ESWC, a double swap of which shox would get the short end of went down, and our hero would end up trading spots with kennyS once again. 

Titan played the ESL One Cologne qualifier and made it through to the big event, the first with the newly acquired duo, shox and SmithZz. shox did it again, he posted the highest rating on his team at a major (1.04, +1), but was the only one to have a score above 1 (Mathieu "Maniac" Quiquerez was second with 0.93), which resulted in the team floundering in only two maps. 

shox still did well despite the circumstances in Slovenia

Gaming Paradise rolled around, a tournament not really worth mentioning, but shox did manage a 1.25 rating, the 3rd highest in the tournament, and a positive 54 kill-death difference. 

ESL ESEA Dubai Invitational 2015 was another one of shox’s low points of the year, with a year-low 0.78 rating and a negative 19 kdd, and definitely be categorized as a poor event. It would be shox’s worst, in fact, but the countdown to the next major was already running, and therefore it was time for our hero to show up again.

nV watch shox on the big screen in Cluj-Napoca

After going through major qualifiers again, Titan found themselves through, and were headed to Cluj-Napoca this time. While Cédric "RpK" Guipouy was able to post a decent 1.07 rating, it wasn’t enough help for shox’s—once again—team high rating at a major of 1.12 (+6), and the team fell out in the group stage.

Titan’s last event of the year, CEVO Professional Season 8 Finals, came around and the team ended in a modest 3rd-4th place, with shox ending the year on a fairly even note, 1.01 (0).

shox in Columbus, Ohio for CEVO S8 Finals

Why is he the 13th best player of 2015?

shox was the 9th highest rated player of the year, with a 1.09. However, he also had some consistency issues, with CCS and ESL ESEA Dubai being two particularly bad tournaments out of a total of four in the red.

Having the highest rating on his team at every major was certainly also a huge booster for shox. However, he didn’t leave a huge mark at many of the biggest tournaments he participated in, even if he did play well in most of them. Instead, his best performances came at less prestigious events like Gfinity Summer Masters, SLTV StarSeries XIII Finals and ESWC.


Another big statistic for shox is the fact that when he gets a kill, his teams win 71% of the rounds, putting him 3rd in the world in this category. 

One of the keys to shox, and something that has made him a truly top performer for so many years in a row is his versatility. Ranking 13th in opening kills (435) and as the 8th player with the most clutch rounds won (61) he is also above average in kills per round with pistols and rifles and is barely below average with the AWP, which on top of being the 14th player with most headshots per round (0.36) means he can open rounds, close rounds, play with all weapons, and puts bullets where he wants them—quite often in his rivals’ domes.

What did you think of shox's 2015? Would you have ranked him differently? Let us know what you think in the comments below.

Stay tuned to our Top 20 players of 2015 ranking powered by EGB.com and keep track of the list over at the Introduction article.


2016-01-08 19:33:31
my love <3
2016-01-08 19:34:41
imo not deserved
2016-01-08 19:35:47
Much deserved. A player, even when not in his prime, is 13th best. That speaks to as why he is the 2nd best all time csgo player to ever touch the game according to thorin.

Viva la shoxie
2016-01-08 19:36:46
lmfao Shox expected
2016-01-08 19:39:28
nt shox
2016-01-08 20:18:57
nt netherlands with green stripe
2016-01-08 21:26:18
2016-01-09 04:53:04
nt hungarian with blue stripe
2016-01-09 10:37:11
Nt poland with blue triangle
2016-01-09 18:48:34
nt evil Switzerland
2016-01-09 20:40:17
nt weird chile
2016-01-09 21:21:11
nt horizontal Italy
2016-01-09 22:58:36
"according to Thoorin"

Top kek, you say it like it's worth something
2016-01-08 20:19:42
Thoorin said brazil is a good country in cs and luminosity are a top team.

This is not worth something too i guess. Will just overlook LG. They are tier 3
2016-01-08 20:23:41
2016-01-08 21:24:45
2016-01-09 03:23:57
Thooorin knows more about CS and esports in general than all of HLTV users

Also he said that the brazilian team is a top team, I guess not according to you then since thooorin's analysis is not worth anything
2016-01-08 22:29:42
worth alot more than any other fuckwits opinion on this post
2016-01-08 23:33:52
Rychu kozak ale go troche z teamkiem wyruchali ;/ SHOX NEED BACK TO ENVY BECAUSE HE IS GOOD AND TITAN SUCK
2016-01-08 21:42:14
Exactly. Kio needs to be kicked
2016-01-08 22:24:18
pls out shox from this list, he is max top50
btw he didnt even playing this year
2016-01-08 19:35:47
2016-01-08 20:03:33
HLTV bait m8 r8 8/8
2016-01-08 20:43:42
well deserved!
2016-01-09 00:44:48
hax shox
2016-01-09 04:04:09
2016-01-08 19:33:35
2016-01-08 19:33:36
2016-01-08 19:33:36
2016-01-08 19:33:37
2016-01-08 19:33:40
2016-01-08 19:33:42
2016-01-08 19:33:42
sex jurgen
2016-01-08 19:41:35
2016-01-08 19:33:42
2016-01-08 19:33:43
2016-01-08 19:33:43
More like 13.
2016-01-08 19:36:13
nt not even that bro
2016-01-08 19:44:24
He was talking about shox
2016-01-08 20:12:20
2016-01-08 20:43:20
shox? hahahahaha
2016-01-08 19:33:45
2016-01-08 19:33:51
2016-01-08 19:33:52
not deserved
2016-01-08 19:33:53
Why not? Is it because you don't like shox or just because you are dumb?
2016-01-08 20:05:38
*Titan fan* lmao
2016-01-08 22:08:39
Explain why he shouldn't be on the list?

Saying "Titan fan lmao" is not an argument.

2016-01-08 22:46:44
Explain why he should be on the list
2016-01-08 23:35:13
alex! - HLTV.org
If only there was a very lengthy article explaining why hes 13th...
2016-01-09 01:33:33
don't waste time on stupid people
2016-01-09 20:34:10
The article that HLTV wrote does it great.
2016-01-09 01:58:56
Not really..... they needed to put emphasis on his "high impact kills" and "many entry kills" when it's obv that they come from his sole purpose:entryfragging, and have to mention 2 bad tournaments aswell as "only barely below average" awp work, you have to wonder why he is even in the top 20.
(Forgot that they also mentioned "not leaving a big mark" at bigger tournaments)
This article is a joke xD
2016-01-10 19:29:00
I'd rate him 18 at max
2016-01-10 19:30:15
He could very well be on this list,I'd just rather see him at 20 or 19
2016-01-08 23:47:53
wasn't better than cajunb or f0rest imo this year.
2016-01-08 23:54:45
F0rest did really play well,imo even better than gtr this year. Cajunb has been really good in tsm aswell
2016-01-09 00:22:48
f0rest played better in the last part of the year.Overral gtr and allu carried NiP in till Cluj.
2016-01-09 00:41:38
f0rest had a pretty bad first half of the year and a few inconsistent tournaments though.
2016-01-09 13:13:46
you're right, he deserves top10
2016-01-08 22:30:35
Petroff /A/ <3
2016-01-08 19:33:56
ahahahahah best ranking
2016-01-08 19:34:03
my love :)
2016-01-08 19:34:07
2016-01-08 19:34:09
1.09 rating over year. Plenty medals. Why not?
2016-01-08 19:34:47
People are fucking stupid. Thats why not
2016-01-08 20:00:50
1.09 at LAN in 2015
1.11 at Majors
Has achievements

But no forget stats and continue with your hate boner.
2016-01-08 19:59:06
Ikr..deserves top 5
2016-01-08 20:14:23
I'm shoxed.
2016-01-08 19:34:13
is this a joke ?
2016-01-08 19:34:14
2016-01-08 19:34:17
2016-01-08 19:34:19
2016-01-08 19:34:28
1.09 at LAN
1.11 at Majors
Best player for Envy at Majors.

Why not?
2016-01-08 20:11:10
When you finish 9th-12th its not hard to get padded stats vs shitty teams in groups.
2016-01-08 20:31:53
His stats were that good before he was removed from envy m8.
2016-01-08 20:36:02
"shitty teams in groups"

You know that teams like fnatic, nV, Na'Vi, TSM etc also plays in the group stage? Shox best MAJOR was Katowice, which was the semi final.

Just go fuck a donkey or something inbred.
2016-01-08 21:50:07
Are you really this braindead? Do you not see that he got a low placement just twice this year? I mean, the stats are right there and if you don't know how to read them, then just don't bother posting at all.
2016-01-08 21:53:35
stop licking titan boots and stop copy paste that nonsence. if he was the best why kicked out of the team?
2016-01-08 23:18:18
He was kicked because of a fight between him and happy. Shox wanted to be the IGL for Envy. He was not removed because of his performance.
2016-01-09 01:57:49
he got kicked because he prefered going to night clubs rather than focus on the game he got payed to play
2016-01-09 16:21:38
I loled
2016-01-08 19:34:33
im a pidar
2016-01-08 19:34:37
lol he stopped caring he doesn't deserve to be in top 20
2016-01-08 19:34:39

#13 when not caring, then u are good.
2016-01-08 20:29:18
Right because only players with a personality and character deserve to be in the top 20. Retard
2016-01-09 01:57:49
That's not what I meant you fucking retard.
2016-01-09 13:22:03
2016-01-08 19:34:44
I knew it
2016-01-08 19:34:47
LMAO shox 13 ?
2016-01-08 19:34:52
2016-01-08 19:34:59
shox > flamie and forest, absolutely ridiculous
2016-01-08 19:35:08
Shox 1.09 rating, flamie 1.07, forest 1.05. Why would it be ridiculous? Shox won much more than forst, kinda same as flamy. Shoxie just had bad last few months.
2016-01-08 19:38:25
shox left envy in the summer, since then he hasnt accomplished ANYTHING of note with titan
2016-01-08 19:42:48
That's why he's #13. Otherwise he'd be top 10.
2016-01-08 19:46:21
Hes #13 because he was good for 7 months? Then xyp9x should be top 5, he was insane in the 2nd half of the year. A year has 12 months, not 6. Typical downie.

Post edited 2016-01-08 19:49:32
2016-01-08 19:48:49
Xyp9x played good only last month
2016-01-08 19:55:56
thats some thigh level memory right there
2016-01-08 20:00:33

Remove december. If that's what u consider insane I think u have problems.
2016-01-08 20:03:32
hes playing support positions on every map, hes never gonna get 30 frags, look at NBK. check this http://www.hltv.org/?pageid=194&playerid=4954&.. and maybe get some cs knowledge
2016-01-08 20:07:40
still not "insane"
2016-01-08 20:08:17
74% 1v1 rate not insane, how retarded can you possibly be?
2016-01-08 20:11:04
Even shox has better clutch win rate than xyp9x

2016-01-08 20:11:50
you dumb, really, really dumb
2016-01-08 20:51:36
you are fucking retarded.
2016-01-09 05:42:38
he was insane in the 2nd half of the year.

2016-01-08 19:57:31
Noldi rekt him see #155
2016-01-08 20:19:20
Not competing at LAN's is better than placing last like NiP. :D
2016-01-08 20:26:29
During his time in nV he accomplished a lot more than f0rest did this year, and even after that he has performed well in Titan, eventhough the team hasn't done so great.

Not being capable of judging one's performance from a longer period of time just shows that your IQ is kind of low. Don't take me wrong, I understand that your brain just can't process larger entities.
2016-01-08 22:01:05
it's true
2016-01-08 19:40:00
definitely unexpected

Post edited 2016-01-08 19:36:14
2016-01-08 19:35:09
2016-01-08 19:35:13
2016-01-08 19:35:24
Not deserved. Not this year!
2016-01-08 19:35:34
wasted talent
2016-01-08 19:35:37
2016-01-08 20:01:26
2016-01-08 19:35:38
WTF seriously??????? Top 20 but i would not put him that high.
2016-01-08 19:35:58
2016-01-08 19:36:02
The Shoxie is back!
2016-01-08 19:36:07
LOL really?
2016-01-08 19:36:20
too high
2016-01-08 19:36:34
dog shit, he wasn't even top 20.
2016-01-08 19:36:56
What a piece of shit this rank from HLTV.
2016-01-08 19:37:11
user ID: 677k..

how do you know anything about cs?
2016-01-08 20:22:20
look at his name
2016-01-08 20:40:35
He's one of those retards hoping that cold makes #12 ayyy lmao
2016-01-08 20:54:58
Not saying he ain't retarded, but I bet with you Cold will be on this list
2016-01-09 07:34:26
No he won't be in the list

Only 7 players left who didn't attend ESWC and those should be

1 more ex-TSM player (dupreeh/Xyp9x)
1 more VP player (byali/pasha)
2016-01-09 11:17:35
wanna bet?
2016-01-09 11:40:43
reakq - HLTV.org
fortunately you didn't bet :D
2016-01-21 13:52:00
Gotta believe, right? :p
2016-01-21 13:55:54
That's completly retarded sir XD.
I mean NBK Happy and Kio won 2 majors like fnatic did this year. (TSM 0 majors 0 finals, VP 0 majors in 2015)
kennyS won a major with greats stats. Guardian had fucking insane stats.
So basically Flamie best player of Na'Vi, and Apex best player of nV based on the classement.

Post edited 2016-01-09 12:47:10
2016-01-09 12:44:27
3 Majors. Fnatic won 2. nV 1. How did NBK Happy and kio win 2?
2016-01-09 16:27:24
You are the retarded one sir, these are the ones who DIDN'T attend ESWC, the other 5 who DID will probably be

2016-01-09 17:43:07
Nice joke. This ranking is shit.
2016-01-08 19:37:37
NICE !! shox is life


Post edited 2016-01-08 19:37:59
2016-01-08 19:37:40
before flaming guys, read carefully, gl richard
2016-01-08 19:37:49
2016-01-08 19:37:49
Are u kidding me?
2016-01-08 19:37:53
kinda expected that he will be 13th
2016-01-08 19:38:22
2016-01-08 19:38:42
2016-01-08 19:39:38
Shox is top 40!
2016-01-08 19:39:46
13 is within the top 40.
2016-01-08 19:48:22
Tgwri1s - HLTV.org
I would really like to hear just ONE of you guys above me who said he doesn't deserve to be in the ranking to explain it with a valid argument after seeing the arguments in the article.

JUST ONE PLEASE! (I guarantee you it's impossible)
2016-01-08 19:39:53
You should've learned from last year that there is no point in trying to argue with them, you'll just lose your time.
2016-01-08 19:42:49
I mean it's possible if you have different criterias, but they don't even have some, they just go by what they think of the players overall.

Post edited 2016-01-08 19:43:47
2016-01-08 19:43:11
I'm pretty certain that most of 'em didnt even read the article.
2016-01-08 19:47:11
Well, at face value it just seems shocking that he's this high, seeing as he played in a team that achieved absolutely nothing and bombed out of every big tournament for half the year. And in the first half, he played in a team that was falling apart in its last couple of months. So that's like four to five months of accomplishing anything. And the latter is like the biggest criteria you have in measuring a player, whether or not his performances lead to accomplishments for his team.

Post edited 2016-01-08 19:50:24
2016-01-08 19:49:53
kennys last year was 6th and he didn't accomplish much
2016-01-08 19:56:48
exactly. that's why he was 6th. he had by far the best ratings of any player, but was 6th instead of 1st because he didn't accomplish anything. that was the talking point of last years ranking, don't you remember?
2016-01-08 20:00:27
Tgwri1s - HLTV.org
"at face value" - Did you read the article like I asked before posting your argument? Because it doesn't sound like it.

Otherwise maybe it'd have jogged your memory that he was one of nV's best players in many of their successes in the first 7 months (13 tournaments). And you'd maybe even catch that table which shows how incredibly much he actually contributes to success in general.

What you basically showed here is at least two of these three things:

1) Relying on faulty memory, not caring about checking what actually transpired and why he was placed here

2) Exaggerating timelines and extrapolating things based on that, as well as making assumptions like the implication that because the team was falling apart it actually means shox couldn't have been playing well or the team couldn't have had success (which btw was actually 2 weeks not months, from ESL ESEA to ESWC when they were actually falling apart)

3) Setting expectations for a player and then when he doesn't play as well as before underestimating his contribution
2016-01-08 20:35:27

Post edited 2016-01-08 21:20:02
2016-01-08 21:19:50
Should have prefaced your original comment with that :P What he was talking about in his first comment was reasons why Shox shouldn't be as high as he is, not reasons why people would post stupid stuff.
2016-01-08 21:41:03
Tgwri1s - HLTV.org
If that is so, how did you at all contribute and answer to what I was starting there? You know I know all of that, it's the same every single year, but I asked for people who think it to tell me their actual argument.

So if you're gonna go with "I was just saying what others think, I don't think that" I'll go with:

then I was replying to them through you.
2016-01-08 22:02:36
What type of response did you actually expect though? It doesn't matter if it's your actual opinion or not, Tgwri1s simply explained why the arguments you provided (which are some people's opinion around here) do not hold up.
2016-01-09 13:16:38
u got fkin rekt mate gtfo of here hltv forum analyst !
2016-01-08 20:40:49
what did you expected from this community seriously tell me
2016-01-08 20:38:00
Tgwri1s - HLTV.org
It's not my expectations that are challenged here, I know who I'm dealing with, I'm just challenging people who dare to comment their nonsense to tackle on an actual argument to see if anyone dares
2016-01-08 20:40:17
0.78 rating and a negative 19 kdd

he didn’t leave a huge mark at many of the biggest tournaments he participated in, even if he did play well in most of them. Instead, his best performances came at less prestigious events like Gfinity Summer Masters, SLTV StarSeries XIII Finals and ESWC.
2016-01-08 20:49:45
Tgwri1s - HLTV.org
You make a good argument for why he shouldn't be higher? :)
2016-01-08 20:52:38
Don't listen to the haters man.. They are clueless and have goldfish memory. This list seems solid so far, as it was in 2013 and 2014 as well.

Keep it up!
2016-01-08 21:54:01
Are you the only person responsible for the criteria that are looked at when making the rankings?
2016-01-08 21:02:58
Tgwri1s - HLTV.org
Yea, still just me. I tried to get some news guys to chip in but no one really wanted to tackle the task, it's a lot to go through
2016-01-08 22:33:52
Deserved <3 best player ever
2016-01-08 19:40:03
2016-01-08 19:40:04
great player
2016-01-08 19:40:15
Biggest joke so far. What the fuck is this, are you trying to bait us?
2016-01-08 19:40:33
cold > shox
cold > neo
cold > flamie
cold > allu

2016-01-08 19:40:47
neo yes
allu maybe
flamie maybe
shox no
2016-01-08 19:51:56
he didnt play all long the year :D

Post edited 2016-01-08 19:58:51
2016-01-08 19:58:34
coldzera won't be in top 20! not bcz he doesnt deserve it but bcz he competed for like 1/3 of the year.. and other players stats r based from the whole year. He definitely has bright future tho
2016-01-08 20:18:12
shox is the titan stars but cloud9 he go with america moving when los angeles
2016-01-08 19:41:00
2016-01-08 19:41:01
inconsistent af
2016-01-08 19:41:22
shox? he didnt do nothing this year D:
2016-01-08 19:42:38
read the article then
2016-01-08 19:44:04
damn 43-27 vs NIP. also now we need ScreaM on this list.
2016-01-08 19:43:05
you wont see
2016-01-08 23:20:22
not deserved
2016-01-08 19:44:06
HLTV Top 20 Potential list (Based on the hints given by HLTV) - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10epVWy-5fN..

There is only one more player who did not attend DHW on the list, and it will 100% be GuardiaN. With this, a host of players that attended at least 2 majors and 2 other $250k events are officially out of the running.

Post edited 2016-01-08 19:45:08
2016-01-08 19:44:55
Then Seized isn't in the list, right?
2016-01-09 08:29:19
And probably no JW either
2016-01-09 08:31:21
hahahahaha this rank is such a joke
2016-01-08 19:45:44
user ID: 654k

How are you in any shape to comment about CS? lmao go back to sleep
2016-01-08 20:23:31
really mind boggling that shox is in the top 20. Even more mind boggling is that he is above flamie. Objectively insane, not deserved at all
2016-01-08 19:45:44
is this bad or good for shox? i think this is realy bad..

Post edited 2016-01-08 19:46:09
2016-01-08 19:45:52
Bad he's a wasted talent right now but only cause he wants, it's his fault...
2016-01-08 20:04:44
Probably Bad. Got kicked from envy. Having motivation issues. Imagine how he would be if he got fully motivated in CS again.
2016-01-08 20:22:55
nice shoxie
2016-01-08 19:46:23
shoxie <3
2016-01-08 19:46:51
this ranking is even worse than last year, but like real bad now
2016-01-08 19:46:59
Should be WAY lower
2016-01-08 19:47:22
flamie » shox

but ok.
2016-01-08 19:47:29
Im predicted that lol
2016-01-08 19:48:14
shoxie <333 2105 was shox worst year imo 2016 is going to be better
2016-01-08 19:49:17
SHOXIE GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!! BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2016-01-08 19:50:49
haha people you cannot change facts... please read the prerequisites to this ranking system... jumping to a conclusion without a valid argument is dire stupidity

Post edited 2016-01-08 19:52:35
2016-01-08 19:52:17
shox 1.05 lan rating
flamie 1.12
GJ hltv and onliners :D
2016-01-08 19:52:26
Shox 1.09 on LAN in 2015

Flamie 1.08 on LAN in 2015

Nt Ruski
2016-01-08 20:06:07
Shox 1.09 at LAN in 2015
Flamie 1.08 at LAN in 2015
and now for the big difference

Shox at Majors = 1.11
Flamie at Majors = 0.97
2016-01-08 20:25:08
2016-01-08 20:43:49
shoxie deserve top 5
2016-01-08 19:53:26
2016-01-08 23:21:28
God shox
2016-01-08 19:54:23
what?, nah man
2016-01-08 19:54:37
the downfall continues for shox..;
2016-01-08 19:55:29
who is next?
2016-01-08 19:55:35
2016-01-08 19:55:46
didnt deserve
2016-01-08 19:56:11
He was on nV for 3/4 of the year... GOD
2016-01-08 20:19:30
then he got removed, if he was such a god im sure they would of rather kept him other than getting kennys and apex
2016-01-08 20:57:11
They wanted to remove just Smithzz and add kennyS, but Shox is his best friend so he said he is leaving with him. Shoxie is a god.

Post edited 2016-01-08 20:59:31
2016-01-08 20:59:15
Thats why they are probably thinkinh themselves now

2016-01-09 15:47:04
Still one of the best players ever !
2016-01-08 19:57:44
I hope get_right is not there in top5.. otherwise this ranking would be a joke!
2016-01-08 19:58:20
I predict GTR to be around top 10. Probably just outside the top 10(11 or 12)
2016-01-08 21:55:48
this top 20 is funny af.. totally random.. rly haha
2016-01-08 19:58:51
numbers > what we think tho :D
2016-01-08 19:59:30
Shame he aimlocks huehue
2016-01-08 20:00:03
What up now swedes wooooooooooooo
2016-01-08 20:01:46
Funny ranking
top 1 will be scream or other shit
2016-01-08 20:05:05
scream or gtr
2016-01-08 20:07:11
Well Shox 13th confirmed, now let's see if I got Cold right or not
2016-01-08 20:07:04
No cold in this top20
2016-01-09 11:08:06
2016-01-08 20:07:12
REKT IDIOTS. I called that Shox would be on the list.

All the stupid plebs were like :"omg seized, rain, fallen, pasha is so much better, no chance for SHox"

Fkin inbreds, get a brain.
2016-01-08 20:09:52
its kind of a given that he will be on this list considering when envy win, he is usually top 2 in performance.
2016-01-08 20:27:16
Exactly, but there are so many retards on HLTV that said Shox sucked in nV, and sucked even more in titan.

A player that has the 9th best stats doesn't suck.
2016-01-08 20:28:26
seized WILL be on this list.
2016-01-08 22:05:15
2016-01-09 11:12:14
Seized can't be on the list, becasue in the introduction of HLTV top 20, they said that 4 players in the top 20 didn't attend DHW. Skadoodle, flamie and shox are 3 of those. That means there is only 1 spot left for players that didn't attend DHW, and that one is obviously going to be GuardiaN, not seized.
2016-01-09 12:09:34
If it's true then they are a band of retards. Seized was much better than flamie this year. He was #8 at the majors: http://www.hltv.org/?pageid=181&statsfilter=15..
2016-01-09 13:22:17
Seized was 10th at the majors. Both Jkaem and Shox performed better than him.


2016-01-09 13:28:19
ok, but they played 9 maps less. Still you see my point if he was in top 10 at the major how the hell can they not include him in top 20 of the year?
2016-01-09 13:40:15
Because there are many more tournaments than majors in 2015. Read the introduction. Majors arent as important anymore as there are a lot of other tournaments with equal prizepool. In 2014 they put a lot of weight on majors, because they were the only big tournaments. Now almost every tournament is as big as majors,
2016-01-09 14:06:16
Shoxie! Nice, my friend!)
2016-01-08 20:11:06
nice shoxie good
2016-01-08 20:12:45
f0rest was way better in the end than shox..
2016-01-08 20:12:47
in the end ye, before shoxie was playing on nV and he was god.
2016-01-08 20:18:56
Not in 2015 lol, you have bad memory
2016-01-08 21:19:20
2016-01-08 21:46:16
Look at the stat, pleb

F0rest rating : 1.06
Shox rating : 1.09
2016-01-08 21:56:36
not deserved
2016-01-08 20:13:09
not deserved
2016-01-08 20:14:07
Didn't deserve to be above cajun and flamie in my opinion
2016-01-08 20:15:52
He was in nV for 3/4 of this year...
2016-01-08 20:17:09
what does that have to do?
2016-01-08 23:22:16
Your opinion is irrelevant. Stats don't lie. He was way better than both f0rest and flamie in 2015.
2016-01-09 13:10:51
2016-01-10 22:54:39
not deserved ranking total shit
2016-01-08 20:16:30
2016-01-08 20:17:27
Wow leaks were true :o
2016-01-08 20:21:04
Holy shit that impact on teams success rate is nuts! olofmeister literally carried 3 other top 10 players in fnatic this year :O
2016-01-08 20:21:28
shox??? no cold???

nice logic HLTV.ORG
2016-01-08 20:22:47
salty brazilian S^^^
2016-01-08 20:28:31
LMAO cold won a major?
I aren't think that.
2016-01-09 12:51:19
Then I guess seized wont be in the top 20
2016-01-08 20:23:17
he wont unfortunatly
2016-01-08 23:22:53
What a joke, Petar is completely biased
2016-01-08 20:23:19
No you are the only one being biased. This is pure stats not who he likes better.
2016-01-08 20:27:56
Cold should be in the list then
2016-01-08 20:29:19
He didn't play enough of the year to be on the list.

Great player but not enough time and achievements to be on the list.
2016-01-08 20:35:11
From the Article
But despite impressing so much in many aspects, especially at the biggest event of the year, his lack of first places and missing out on several big events earlier kept him at the 9th place, which is still the highest placing among the players with no titles.

He was at tournaments the entire year. He didn't just show up and start playing in the last part of the year. They had stats throughout the entire year.

This was also 2013 when there was a lot less players of that skill to choose from.

Its possible he will be on the list but missing for 8 months is not going to help him with missing so many tournaments.
2016-01-08 20:56:47
He played 2 majors and 2 250k tournaments, thats what matters.

Playing domestic matchs versus crap NA teams for 4 months (skadoodle) should not count and have impact at all
2016-01-08 21:03:17
Here are the remaining players that could be on the list

JW (Could be replaced by Cold/Fer)
2016-01-08 21:22:30
Seized>JW JW>allu really. A shame seized probably won't be top 20 when allu is, although I consider him a good player
2016-01-08 21:36:57
its possible JW won't be on the list as well.
He struggled a lot at majors and he had the same rating as byali on lan but much worst at majors.

I would assume Seized was something like 21-25th
2016-01-09 03:08:06
Kioshima and JW won 2 majors. Dupreeh, Snax, GTR and Devve won 0 (based on 2015).
(not in order)
imo GTR shouldn't be on top 10 there is no place for him all these players had a very great yea.
2016-01-09 12:57:28
Kio had a much worst year than Apex did and apex was 18th.

Remember this is not based on who has the most achievements it is based on a mix of like 80 percent individual play and 20 percent achievements.

Get_right had a better year than forest and probably will be on the list.
2016-01-09 18:34:29
Don't talk too fast, I'm pretty sure he's in the list. Tell me one player besides Olof, Guardian, Krimz, Flusha, Happy, Device, KennyS, GTR, Snax, NBK and JW that should be instead of Cold and has performed better than all 7 players who already appeared.

Like I said yesterday I'm pretty sure Cold will be 11 or 12.
2016-01-08 21:12:21
hmm you bring up a good point.

Only other players I can think of is Dupreeh and other LG players. JW had a pretty bad year as well.

I will admit I was wrong if it is the case. Thanks man

It is still possible he won't be on the list tho.
The Top 12 could be
JW ( Could be replaced by Fer/Cold)

Post edited 2016-01-08 21:21:39
2016-01-08 21:17:18
Yeah there's a small chance he may not be but you have to consider one thing.

I put JW cause even if he had a bad yearwith 1.03 rating this ranking also counts team performance and winning two majors is a big plus.

So imo the question is: Dupreeh over Cold? I don't think so. If you look at Dupreeh and TSM this yearnone of the tournaments they won were either majors or 250k events. The closest one was ESL Dubai with 2nd place. So if you include he has a 1.05 rating same as Seized who also got to a MAJOR final and will not appear in the list you only have one last choice.

Coldzera. But who knows :)
2016-01-08 21:42:21
Cajunb was on the list and stats say that dupreeh did better in 2015.
2016-01-08 21:48:42
True true that argument is valid but then this one too: Flamie with same achievements or even better and a better rating (1.08) is gonna be lower than him?

Haha we'll see tomorrow :)
2016-01-08 21:58:12
Byali also could be on the list stat-wise.
2016-01-09 03:06:06
2016-01-08 20:23:20
Lmao all these newfags who started watching CS last month commenting bullshit hahahahahahaah
2016-01-08 20:24:14
2016-01-08 21:24:57
that was so unexpected
shoxie was top1 in 2013 right?
2016-01-08 20:24:54
Top 3 in 2013.
2016-01-08 20:27:08
2013: top3
2014: top8
2015: top13
2016-01-08 21:34:22
2016: top18 confirmed I guess
2016-01-08 21:34:58
If the trend continues with him jumping away from successfull teams, then yes :D
2016-01-08 22:24:17
Shox was top 3 on the ranking, but was pretty much the best player. The only thing was that he played on a tier 4 team half the year(imaginary) so he didn't win anything for 6 months. He was by far the best player after he joined verygames. It's pretty insane that he got 3# on the list when he only attended/won lans half the year. If he was picked up by VG some months earlier, he would easily be #1 in the rankings, before GTR.
2016-01-08 22:26:03
DH Rating 1.12, Team Finish: 9th-12th.

It's not hard to get padded stats vs trash teams and then shit the bed vs a real opponent. End result undeserved high tournament rating. With judging like that, spaze and dream3r should be #1 and #2 at the end of this year.

Retarded analysis.
2016-01-08 20:29:43
Tgwri1s - HLTV.org
So you took one tournament, tried to imply that's what happened the whole year, and you think you actually made a point?
2016-01-08 20:44:08
Given that he was in 3 majors total, and finished 13th-16th at Cologne I find it utterly ridiculous that his 1.11 rating at majors should be valued the same as say someone like f0rest or flamie for example. I didn't try to imply anything, I stated a fact.

You can keep disagreeing with the majority of the community in your white knight crusade writing satirical responses. It won't make this ranking any more correct.
2016-01-08 21:40:26
Tgwri1s - HLTV.org
Don't pretend now, you implied something completely out of context by stating one fact out of his 18 tournaments that are counted for the ranking.

And besides, in the first major, which counts for more for his rating (7 of 13 maps, higher than his average), he was top rated as his team reached the semi.

And yet again, the majors didn't help get him to 13th at all, as is stated in the article (the part where it says he did well at big tourneys but didn't do anything special to set himself apart).

You haven't stated a single argument against shox's placing, you at best stated that you assume he was 13th based on his major rating, which you have no basis for.
2016-01-08 21:58:34
So are we just ignoring achievements now? One 3rd place finish at a major, and you've had a successful year? It's simple logic that if your team places higher, you will face better competition, and thus will have a harder time achieving higher statistical gains. Getting 1.1 rating vs fnatic, nip, tsm, vp, c9, LG is not the same as getting 1.1 rating vs vp, c9, LG.

He had an incredible tournament in Katowice, and if that was when the year ended he should have been ranked even higher than his current placing. However it didn't.

This is why I used the extreme example of spaze and s1mple being #1 and #2.

How about you give me one argument why shoxie should be placed higher than flamie.
2016-01-08 22:11:02
Tgwri1s - HLTV.org
First of all, you should know that players in the top 20 had about 20 tournaments in 2015 on average, so majors are not AS important as last year when it was twice as less tourneys overall, which was stated in the Introduction article.

Second if all this is all because he's higher than flamie?

That was quite an easy decision to make actually, I can give you plenty of arguments:

shox was more consistent (match to match, plus he had less bad games), had similar peaks (one MVP each, while shox's was in a winning campaign, flamie wasn't, as well as similar number of other tourneys where they were among the best at event). And even if you want to compare majors, flamie was far less impactful in every way. Furthermore shox was better in big matches (he even has one of the best grand final ratings at 1.09), and he was one of the most impactful players for their team per the table in the article (and more than flamie ofc).

Lastly, shox played more matches against top6 teams than flamie and they were 54% of his stats, while for flamie they're 45%. And would you look at that - shox had better stats than flamie overall in spite of that, huh.

It's incredible how many people like you make assumptions and have nothing to back them up with.
2016-01-08 22:28:18

Nice to see quality arguments for a change here.
2016-01-09 00:13:40
Flamie is a bad argument m8. He was waay worse at majors, than what shox was. Also, Shox worst MAJOR was cologne, the major he played the least maps at. The one where he played the most(katowice) was his best.
2016-01-08 22:32:36
when your group consist of nip, vp and liquid, that's actually pretty good, but let's be honest, this titan team is shit, they really have no hope and if he stayed on envy he'd be alot higher
2016-01-08 21:44:11
Most likely he would have been a lot higher, however he didn't stay with Envy and achieved literally nothing with titan for the second half of the year.
2016-01-08 21:51:01
the fact that when he gets a kill, his teams win 71% of the rounds
2016-01-08 20:30:44
Joke of the year
Shoxie is a great player but not this year
2016-01-08 20:38:32
Rating on
LAN - 1.09
Majors- 1.11

Get your memory checked.
2016-01-08 22:57:52
Re u fucking idiot or what ? This year yed he was best player in nV but that doesnt make him great or what he was shit in nV and with Titan more shitier if u really think just few LANS wit 1.1 rating make him top13then u re retarded Shox no near of top20
2016-01-08 23:52:11
Wow, your arguments are so much better than the ones in the article!
2016-01-09 00:17:56
shoxiejesus <3
2016-01-08 20:39:49
Shoxie on top 20,no cold no fer or at least fallen? RIP favela dreams.
2016-01-08 20:42:15
Cold 11 or 12
2016-01-08 22:08:31
hope so
2016-01-08 22:09:57
yep, maybe... rating: 1.17
2016-01-08 22:24:24
You must be retarded... There is 12 spots more.
2016-01-08 22:51:17
stats dosent lie, mad fangays wp shoxie <3
2016-01-08 20:43:16
shoxieJESUS, 2016 is better :)
2016-01-08 20:43:28
Desered. Personally still one best player in the world.
2016-01-08 20:44:57
2016-01-08 20:46:08
Allthe flame here, good lord
2016-01-08 20:52:26
Shoxie is god
2016-01-08 20:55:25
shoxie is bad ever since he got caught aimlocking @de_dust2 and was forced to stop using it
2016-01-08 20:58:08
there are barely any legit players left in the french scene im sure they dont give a fuck anymore
2016-01-08 21:05:59
People who say things like this, must going to play minecraft or some game with people who has mental problems.
2016-01-08 22:52:53
Omfg./ I think flamienator much better than shox
2016-01-08 21:00:04
I wish he becomes god mode again like early 2014
2016-01-08 21:00:47
He doesn't care anymore man, it won't happen again :'(
2016-01-08 21:10:50
he needs to change his name to shoxieJESUS, thats all
2016-01-08 23:37:38
2016-01-08 21:05:01
Jesus... People are forgetting half this year where he played really great before he joined Titan and even his first months in Titan he did play really well, he only started to be in a slump around september/october.

Look at his stats... It's kinda insane. Just because he was not in shape the last 3months of 2015 doesnt mean he was not a top player in 2015.
2016-01-08 21:11:22
remember the early 2015 the first 4 months shox was amazing at entry kills but now shox is not that good but i belive and i am sure and i hope he will be the best of 2016.

Post edited 2016-01-08 21:17:07
2016-01-08 21:16:38
12 gonna BE NBK boys, just watch =D
2016-01-08 21:16:40
2016-01-08 21:25:39
i love u shox
2016-01-08 21:21:49
kek, should be in top5, great job at fucking your career over on titan

Post edited 2016-01-08 21:22:43
2016-01-08 21:22:07
but... but thorin said... we all live in shox's world... :(
2016-01-08 21:33:43
Shoxie gaaawd!
2016-01-08 21:41:47
Shox played so well only shortly before the change in envyus. However getting in the top 13 playing just six months on the high level. And the Cold that arose and was much more stable than him. It's good he's on the list its Communist djaboooo
2016-01-08 21:49:37
n1 shoxie. He's still one of the most complete players together with olof and f0rest imho. Also stats don't lie.
2016-01-08 21:54:07
2016-01-09 01:09:24
2016-01-08 21:55:22
when going out the next operation ??
2016-01-08 21:56:02
This top 20 is a joke!
2016-01-08 22:03:03
2016-01-08 22:09:53
shox is a joke
2016-01-08 22:12:02
hltv drops ranking from last year ranking. soo idk wat to say about this. he wasnt even in 2015.
2016-01-08 22:03:45
n1 shoxie
2016-01-08 22:08:04
ROFL nice top20 hltv, what a fucking joke
2016-01-08 22:10:22
well at least it's not xtrfy's rank
2016-01-08 22:20:59
shoxie fanboys madazfuck
2016-01-08 22:20:35
fans mad? he should be #19 max. kek
2016-01-08 22:21:37
2016-01-08 22:23:06
Hahahahah GTR top1 inc sucha a bs i like shoxie but he is better than flamie hahahah NO FAKING WAY
2016-01-08 23:04:45
so your saying me shox>flamie. ok den
2016-01-08 23:15:04
Shouldnt even be in the top 20 rofl
2016-01-08 23:17:35
deserves a better team
2016-01-08 23:38:33

how good he was ... miss the old times where an ace in a pistol was the normal thing for shox. :(
2016-01-08 23:40:55
shoxie 2015 highlight
2016-01-08 23:50:59
get_right will be the next
2016-01-09 00:06:21
way too high for this cheater rip [*]
2016-01-09 00:12:23
get_right #1 getting closer and closer
2016-01-09 00:17:47

2016-01-09 00:33:48
JW should be in top 5 now. He got a lot of fans now. Olof,JW,Scream,Nothing got more fans than device
2016-01-09 00:58:21
Just titanfall
2016-01-09 00:34:00
Next one is fer
2016-01-09 00:43:19
HAhaHAhaHAha. Is this a joke? in 2015? Are you kidding me? So he is better than Ska,Forest,Flamie and CajunB this year? THIS YEAR? in 2015? AHAHAHAHAHA

Post edited 2016-01-09 00:55:12
2016-01-09 00:54:16
"versatile high level play and solid numbers on the big stages" YEAH I AM A BIG FAN but not in 2015 HLTV. lol. He didn't do anything in 2015. JOKE of the YEAR
2016-01-09 00:56:16
u cant read or u didnt read ? stats dont lie baby
2016-01-09 01:11:11
Congratz guy even if it was not a great year u clearly deserve it
2016-01-09 01:10:11
If Coldzero and Fallen don't make this list its BS.
2016-01-09 01:33:00
what a joke
2016-01-09 02:51:20
i really wonder who's picking the players for this list:D i would really put the grandpa Taz (despite i am polish and i am not even cherish for VP) than this baguette tard, who was reliable year ago :). This ranking is joke for sure :D. 1st aprill is still ahead of us guys :D. Why not peak RPK, who is better than shox despite he is killing his own teammates :D
2016-01-09 03:59:33
people say he didn't have a great year but still makes 13th?
2016-01-09 04:10:14
100% kennys gonna be top 1 and olof 2 Lmao so easy to predict

Post edited 2016-01-09 04:13:24
2016-01-09 04:12:41
shoxJESUS <3
2016-01-09 04:37:51
gtr, jw, olofm will be high, 1-2-3-4-5- at least
2016-01-09 05:46:17
i dont now about gtr and jw, gtr has been worse from summer and jw also, olof will be high for sure. Jw for 12-8 and gtr 12-7
2016-01-09 06:53:35
loool not thinking a swede wont be in top5 is dumb bvr0
2016-01-09 16:15:54
in 2016 whole ence will be top 5.
You heard it first from me
2016-01-09 16:48:27
not gonna happen dawg
2016-01-09 17:51:16
gj shoxie
2016-01-09 07:03:17
Truth is, let's imagine if everyone spoke the same language in this world, and everyone got perfectly fine along with each other. Let's then imagine that Pronax wants to create a new team, where he's the IGL.

Let's imagine that, among others (but not those going to be higher on the list) that the following players are free agents:

Skadoodle, allu, apEX, Neo, f0rest, cajunb, flamie, Shox.

First player Pronax would be pick would be allu or Skadoodle, cos then he has the AWP-role set (close choice, both are world class with the awp).

Next player he would choose would be Shox. No doubt about it. Just because of his raw skill is higher than the rest.

Yes, shox had a bad year this year. Still if you forget what a legend he is, and just look objectively on his performances this year, it's still very good.

That's why he deserves this 13th spot.

Post edited 2016-01-09 08:38:53
2016-01-09 08:37:56
no, next he would choose would be f0rest 100% sure lol
2016-01-09 09:59:13
Not really. Remember we imagine everyone speak same langugage etc.

2014 Shox Lan: 1,12 rating . 2015: 1.09 rating

2014 f0rest lan: 1,10 rating . 2015: 1,06 rating.

Then add to that, that Shox was the entry-fragger of EnvyUs, where f0rest had friberg to do that job, and the skill-difference become even more obvious.

Also in 2015 until July when EnvyUs shuffled up, shox and EnvyUs crushed NiP overall by a good margin. Beating them continously.
And f0rest is supposed to be the star player of NiP along with get_right.
Also overall Shox is easily the most intelligent player, a lot better in clutch-situations than f0rest. Not saying that f0rest isn't intelligent, but shox is on another level.

f0rest is a world class player, but shox has just been better in 2015 than him. No doubt about that. That's also why you see shox at higher placing than f0rest on this list, which I believe is very reasonable.

Post edited 2016-01-09 11:22:26
2016-01-09 11:18:01
anyone read the articles? because i'm not
2016-01-09 09:58:10
2016-01-09 11:11:53
2016-01-09 11:25:15
his dick is small thoe
2016-01-09 11:26:10
shox top20? :o u wot m8?
this is a joke
2016-01-09 11:36:29
Memory shoxilon :D 16-0 dust2 vs HR.
2016-01-09 11:38:04
2016-01-09 12:50:44
2016-01-09 12:53:47
This is Bait Of The Year 2016
2016-01-09 13:06:52
"Pala, you sexy. No Problem" - Shox 2015
2016-01-09 13:52:49
Shox beeter than Flamie, nice rating!
2016-01-09 21:29:41
again, easily top 10 player, getting lower rating from HLTV...
2016-01-09 21:51:52
2016-01-10 00:20:44

Best betting site, no queues, fixed odds

Good luck!
2016-01-10 17:05:55
this guy is so handsome
2016-01-11 06:19:06
seized should be here
2016-01-11 16:57:51
is it me or is shox a bit of a boring player

like u see it at the end of the game
"oh wow shox has 32 kills"
but u can never remember them.

can u remember a single olof kill ?

but try guardian...u can see the flick
i remember a guardian flick.
2016-01-21 13:57:14
can someone send me the link to the 1st picture of shoxie from this article? Without that table and number #13 etc. ? Clean picture. From some tournament i belive.
2016-01-21 22:48:35
BAE <3 I think he ll be top 4 in 2016 rankings. What u think
2017-01-08 15:37:32

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