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TyLoo, who were infamously disqualified from the Asia Minor after it was discovered that teammate Quanqing 'qz' Wu had a VAC ban from 2013, have issued a statement regarding the disqualification and including Wu's own explanation.
The news that TyLoo had been disqualified at the last minute (with only an hour or so before their opening match) came as a shock to many as an investigation from community members ultimately revealed that player Quanqing "qz" Wu held a VAC Ban from 2013 (shortly after playing at the MSI Beat It! Finals).
Following an apology to fans, the TyLoo statement mentions that "all four players and the management" knew of Wu's previous VAC ban on his older account but did not know it could be a reason for disqualification.
TyLoo also mention that they will not remove Wu until the matter is properly investigated, although it is unclear if they are calling on Valve to look deeper into it or referring to an internal investigation.
Wu's statement can be found below and in it he discusses how account sharing in CS:GO was popular back when the game came out as players in China could not use popular Chinese payment platforms such as Alipay to buy the game.
The result of the VAC Ban therefore came about from a friend sharing his account:
"Hello guys, I'm qz from TyLoo. Because my account which I used in MSI got VAC banned 3 years ago, our team couldn't play in IEM Taipei. I want to say sorry to my teammates and to our club, I did burden you all. But I want to say something about my VAC ban and explain it in detail.
Although, since the account got VAC banned almost 3 years ago, I can't remember the exact details. I will say something about it from memory. In 2013, CS:GO was not popular in China like now, we can't use CNY and alipay to buy it. At that time, some accounts were shared; I played on another guy's account.
Unfortunately，I used that account to play the MSI matches. That day, I suddenly found out that others logged onto that account at the qualifier, and the password had been changed. So I used another account to continue playing the match. When i finished my match, I tried to contact my friend to find the password, but he ignored me. I thought that maybe some other guys were using the account to play on it, so I kept using the second one.
After the Grand final I found out the first account got VAC banned. I was really woried about it, wondering how I got VAC'd and how could I save my skins! I tried to trade, but the VAC ban locked the items so I asked my friend to help me, but he never answered. A few days later, when I opened the VAC'd account's inventory, I found all the skins gone, unless Valve somehow got those skins. How could the other guys get these skins?
I can promise that I haven't cheated in matches, but I don't konw whether that account used cheats from others. From my heart, I have a clear conscience. I am delighted that my teammates and the club believe me, and that's enough for me!"
The extent to which Valve investigated the ban is unknown although it further calls to question recent discussions about the need to look into associated account bans of various players that have kept them from competing at Valve events, such as E-frag.net's Simeon "dream3r" Ganev.
stich writes for HLTV.org and can be found on Twitter
Post edited 2016-02-07 09:17:57
This is the reason I don't make any friends.
Post edited 2016-02-07 09:19:53
This happens as we from China???? FREEQZ
for valve as well :D
;) hltv kids think they know everything, meanwhile they know shit and just talk, jesus.
"internet cafe that Salecha visited on May 17, prior to his team's match (which was played at a different location). At one point, the player leaves the computer unattended as he goes outside to make a phone call. Some minutes later (at 2:21 PM in the video), an unknown man comes in and uses the computer for a few moments."
But since you are a retarded kid you can't read, and yeah i am the stupid one because you can't read, now let's go back to your retardness, please show me the video you talking about or atleast an article that talks about your statement. Jesus just get cancer idiot, next time don't talk unless you got no proofs about it, trashcan.
P.S: change ur flag cuz ur prolly a retarded russian
Edit: Welcome to Islam forgot to mention this.
Post edited 2016-02-07 09:57:51
u so funny breh, now delete your account, thanks for sharing with us that fake story about dr3amer, keep it up idiot, i'm tired of idiots like you that talk shit but knows nothing.
vac in 2013....
it's doesn't matter
fking valve ;/
Post edited 2016-02-07 09:25:37
1 and biggest reason why valve dont rise their major prizepool is that almost every pro cheats and no one can do anything about it
You are mentally retarded.
and players wouldnt make those autographs
Post edited 2016-02-08 15:12:34
to be honest , the damage is already done by ESL.
1)disqualifying TyLoo after 1 hour of "investigation"
2)Not allowing TyLoo players to even speak to them of what actually happened on that account at the venue. hey guys you are disqualified now get out of here is what happened to TyLoo at the venue
3)ESL Carmac making jokes and having a good laugh on Reddit after ending a players career
And players like k0nfig who had his other accounts VAC but is still allowed to play pro CS GO
is this happens because we are from China? for real can't help but feel that way
He is just telling a lie :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
You can knw it from Chinese CSGO community
lol fucking idiot
I mean either they're waiting for a Valve investigation and in this case they don't need to make a statement until the investigation is over, or either they're HOPING for a Valve investigation and in this case saying that they support the player is not a smart move at all.
Oh well, they'll deal with it eventually I suppose.
didn't emilio use same story? lol
he's been waiting this long to make up this childish excuse?
Post edited 2016-02-07 10:14:20
Story doesn't add up.
ALTHOUGH, if you're stupid enough to use a shared account with a friend that you can't trust to a 100% and you use that account at an MSI tournament/qualifier, then you my friend deserve to get banned for your stupidity.
PROFESSIONALISM people, LEARN IT!
qz wasn't famous as he is now.
It was 2014-2015 when Valve and whole community got serious about VAC Bans.
How can you expect him to act professional and very careful about his account?
Fuck him, he cheated and he has to pay.
can't remeber any VAC ban or similar from that side
We were just sharing account EleGiggle
Post edited 2016-02-07 11:27:42
China? I love em - Donald Trump
Nowadays it would be insane for pros to share accounts considering that you get personally permanently banned for cheating.
At that time he wouldn't probably taken into consideration that he could be personally banned because he used a shared account.
Btw that guy was 22 at the time hmmm i am one year older than him sharing accounts is a pain in the ass because when someone logs in your steam it disconnects you ingame you don't want to have that while you play a serious match.
Pros aren't playing competitive since cs go days.
Gaming sites such as ESL don't allow you to change steam ids every week, it's like every 6 months or so. It's not well viewed if you are a guy with multi accounts it makes you smell like a cheater.
if you average it it'll be $99999999999 RMB because billionaires and huge income inequality
We can probably assume that qz gets between the low urban income and the middle urban income, so he's probably in the low-middle urban income group, giving him what looks like 22,500 yuan of net income in 2013 (shitty chart). That gets you 1,875 per month. So that is much higher than 500, even when adjusted for economic growth between 2012 and 2013.
Then take into account that, although csgo would have cost approx 95 yuan, it seems that according to qz's statement it was hard to buy csgo legally so the price would have been higher. Then account for other expenditures such as bills (not sure if bills are counted in net income, probably not?) food, clothes, services, other hobbies, and you'll quickly find that qz didn't have much money to spend on the game Counter-Strike Global Offensive. (though apparently he had enough to buy skins :?)
I don't know if you ever heard about Alex'44, he was 2 times World Champion of CS1.6, one of the best IGLs in 1.6 era, master mind and well feared by other teams and pros.
When he came out of retirement and say he will Stream CSGO, he said, who ever have skins that they don't want, they can give it to him, he don't care if they are red level or gray level, he don't care if they are FN of BS, he will take them all. The second day, he received a StatTrek FN AK47 CaseHardened.
Just trying to make a point.
The price of that game is nothing compared to the investment for a pc rig to play cs go or you invest into a cheap 2nd rig or cheap new rig but it would still cost way more than your game.
I don't know the history of this player do you know in what teams he was before cs go ? he played for tyloo in cs 1.6 or ?
For sure you have a point if he didn't have enough money that is.
For me it sounds all weird because we play everything on the internet since 2003 and before that date. If you play on the internet you can forget about it to play a steam being shared, let's not forget he registers with his steam id on all gaming sites for cups etc... and other users could too which is quite stupid to think at.
Post edited 2016-02-08 14:45:27
People talked about Piracy is because 90% of the games Chinese people played before 2013 were piracy games, including Warcraft, which host DotA, and ofcourse CS1.6. Chinese people did not have the practice to PURCHASE games, they normally just go download them, I mean, it is not illegal in China.
Plus the fact that CSS was almost impossible to crack, credits goes to Valve, so all the 1.6 players chose to stay playing 1.6.
2013 is a weird ass year if you are familiar with CS1.6 and CSGO history. 2012 was the last year Valve will held CS1.6 events, but lots of players believes that if there were still a tons of players who stayed play CS1.6, Valve will have to dump CSGO and get back into CS1.6 events. Hell, they did it once before already, when CSSource came out. WCG went back to 1.6 and stayed healthy while CPL stayed on CSSource and quickly fall out of favor.
After that, CS was the E-Sport that Chinese people achieved the most before 2009, wNv.gaming won the World Champion in WEG, beating all the top teams, and even have an de_Nuke A bomb site Execute named after them. But Dota and Dota2 were the favorites in 2013, especially iG won the Internationals in 2012. CS was not in favor at all, so none of the players were payed well. They weren't payed well anyway, since E-Sport player was never a legit job that admitted by the Chinese Social Norm.
QZ might just see a tournament that could potentially win him some money and get familiar with the competitive CSGO, so he just borrowed an account. This is very possible. Chinese people didn't have Steam back then, CS1.6 doesn't need steam since Chinese players only plays in LAN mode, and Perfect World has control on Dota2.
So you can see, Steam was not essential before CSGO.
Of course, all of this adds up if and only if QZ is telling the truth.
Left feeling a little sorry for him. Little fella got fucked over :(
Post edited 2016-02-07 13:16:18
"I got VAC'd and how could I save my skins! I tried to trade, but the VAC ban locked the items"
Flusha is still not banned but this guy is without any suspect actions
But even if it's BS and he did cheat, It's definitely not right to bar him from a lan tournament he prepared for and traveled to one hour before playing because some reddit post gained some steam, especially since it was a ban from 3 years ago.
Honestly, its like they fucking hate CSGO. First introducing the worst updates that ruined almost every aspect of the game, then perma banning the IBP players, and then now this.
Valve needs to just let the scene grow.
And cheatets are cheaters time doest matter its esport if want cheat in game is your choice but you know what this will happen
I mean first nerfing the awp, which people got used to but I dont think anyone thought it was a good update. It ruined some awpers like KennyS and JW, and it lowered the skill ceiling for the awp because now you dont need good movement.
The R8 revolved update was probably the worst in the history of games. period. it completely broke the game and it was so bad most tournament providers chose to ignore the update and play on an older version.
Not to mention the m4a1s nerf, which was handled poorly imo.
As for the IBP bans, there were some vietnamese players who match fixed and got banned for only 1 year. So all i'm saying is that Valve should be consistent throughout their bans.
Like they only use chinese payment-methods in China, it's 2016 man.