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TyLoo & qz issue statement
By: stich
Time: 2016-02-07 09:16
Game: Counter-Strike: Global Offensive

TyLoo, who were infamously disqualified from the Asia Minor after it was discovered that teammate Quanqing 'qz' Wu had a VAC ban from 2013, have issued a statement regarding the disqualification and including Wu's own explanation.

The news that TyLoo had been disqualified at the last minute (with only an hour or so before their opening match) came as a shock to many as an investigation from community members ultimately revealed that player Quanqing "qz" Wu held a VAC Ban from 2013 (shortly after playing at the MSI Beat It! Finals).

In a statement posted in Chinese, both the TyLoo organisation and qz have expressed some comments and thoughts on the disqualification as well as the nature of the VAC Ban.

qz defends himself in his statement on the situation

Following an apology to fans, the TyLoo statement mentions that "all four players and the management" knew of qz's previous VAC ban on his older account but did not know it could be a reason for disqualification.

TyLoo also mention that they will not remove qz until the matter is properly investigated, although it is unclear if they are calling on Valve to look deeper into it or referring to an internal investigation.

qz's statement can be found below and in it he discusses how account sharing in CS:GO was popular back when the game came out as players in China could not use popular Chinese payment platforms such as Alipay to buy the game.

The result of the VAC Ban therefore came about from a friend sharing his account:

"Hello guys, I'm qz from TyLoo. Because my account which I used in MSI got VAC banned 3 years ago, our team couldn't play in  IEM Taipei. I want to say sorry to my teammates and to our club, I did burden you all. But I want to say something about my VAC ban and explain it in detail.

Although, since the account got VAC banned almost 3 years ago, I can't remember the exact details. I will say something about it from memory. In 2013, CS:GO was not popular in China like now, we can't use CNY and alipay to buy it. At that time, some accounts were shared; I played on another guy's account.

Unfortunately,I used that account to play the MSI matches. That day, I suddenly found out that others logged onto that account at the qualifier, and the password had been changed. So I used another account to continue playing the match. When i finished my match, I tried to contact my friend to find the password, but he ignored me. I thought that maybe some other guys were using the account to play on it, so I kept using the second one.

After the Grand final I found out the first account got VAC banned. I was really woried about it, wondering how I got VAC'd and how could I save my skins! I tried to trade, but the VAC ban locked the items so I asked my friend to help me, but he never answered. A few days later, when I opened the VAC'd account's inventory, I found all the skins gone, unless Valve somehow got those skins. How could the other guys get these skins?

I can promise that I haven't cheated in matches, but I don't konw whether that account used cheats from others. From my heart, I have a clear conscience. I am delighted that my teammates and the club believe me, and that's enough for me!"

The extent to which Valve investigated the ban is unknown although it further calls to question recent discussions about the need to look into associated account bans of various players that have kept them from competing at Valve events, such as E-frag.net's Simeon "dream3r" Ganev.

stich writes for HLTV.org and can be found on Twitter

Rip Tyloo [*]

Post edited 2016-02-07 09:17:57
2016-02-07 09:17:42
lmao why is it always the friend who cheats and is responsible for VAC?
This is the reason I don't make any friends.

2016-02-07 09:47:46
2016-02-07 09:51:50
2016-02-07 12:43:10
2016-02-07 13:56:04
actually his version of account sharing sounds a lot more believable then the "but muh frends dog haxed"-shit or the "but muh accunt wus stolen and i didnt even play on it when it was banned, is this because we are bulgarian?"-bullshit
2016-02-07 11:01:41
dream3r dont have any official matches with the vacced account, nt.
2016-02-07 12:03:48
theres 0 way to proof that by now.....
2016-02-07 12:13:30
+1. This is china not europe. Not long ago, every chinese didn't have the opportunity to actually buy the game. The way to somehow prove it would be to track down the skins that disappeared. Can probably be traced to someone completely different. that couldn't have actually played the official match. Proving that he used a shared account. Doesn't prove 100% he didn't cheat at any point but it would certainly testify in his favor.
2016-02-08 00:18:49
+1 That it does
2016-02-08 22:29:35
of all the "my brother my dog my socks" stories, this one actually makes sense.
2016-02-07 12:01:21
Also we real gamers dont have friends, something isnt right about this so called story :)
2016-02-07 12:26:53
how is every cheater innocent and doesnt know how they got their vac
2016-02-07 11:47:47
Not villiG http://www.hltv.org/news/15863-villig-admits-to-ch.. he straight up said he did, so have a couple others. Some have actually been cleared saying what qz is saying. The main idea at this point, dont share your account. Thats just dumb, but I can understand why qz might have. Everybody is pretty quick to shit on him though without knowing one hundred percent whether he is telling the truth. I really dug their lineup so this pretty much sucks for me.
2016-02-08 22:33:33
2016-02-07 12:46:51
i believe him

Post edited 2016-02-07 09:19:53
2016-02-07 09:17:45
2016-02-07 09:45:38
2016-02-07 11:54:17
2016-02-07 14:02:48
2016-02-07 10:13:08
i believe him too , qz has no point in cheating tbh
2016-02-07 10:18:54
2016-02-07 11:11:07
+1 and 3 years late btch pls
2016-02-07 11:56:48
2016-02-07 12:07:29
2016-02-07 12:25:11
2016-02-07 12:53:51
2016-02-07 12:56:57
2016-02-07 13:02:33
2016-02-07 14:59:03
+1. I never do, but he sounds damn convincing.
2016-02-07 15:35:34
2016-02-07 18:05:04
+1 i believe in qz and apparently tyloo do too
2016-02-07 18:34:00
2016-02-07 23:00:03
2016-02-08 18:46:45
ez for tyloo

Post edited 2016-02-07 09:17:56
2016-02-07 09:17:46
2016-02-07 09:17:46
2016-02-07 09:17:49
what about jesus
2016-02-08 06:55:27

Post edited 2016-02-07 09:18:20
2016-02-07 09:17:51
2016-02-07 09:17:51
2016-02-07 09:17:54
2016-02-07 09:17:56
2016-02-07 09:17:57
nooo seriously?
2016-02-07 09:18:00
it's not the best (kqly the best)
2016-02-07 09:18:49
2016-02-07 09:19:23
2016-02-07 09:20:27
No another meme, CHINAAAAAAAAA?????

This happens as we from China???? FREEQZ
2016-02-07 09:20:39
2016-02-07 09:21:02
I am delighted that my teammates and the club believe me, and that's enough for me!
for valve as well :D
2016-02-07 09:21:10
2016-02-07 11:22:49
I kek'ed
2016-02-07 11:55:44
2016-02-07 12:08:00
2016-02-07 12:53:39
Nice flag, never heard of your country
2016-02-07 13:26:01
2016-02-07 14:03:48
And you're stupid
2016-02-08 22:48:43
2016-02-07 09:21:20
I believe him.
2016-02-07 09:21:54
is this happens cus he eat cat???
2016-02-07 09:22:18
no he eat dog
2016-02-07 11:19:07
2016-02-07 09:22:36
is this happens because we are from CHINA?
2016-02-07 09:22:49
poor guy :(
2016-02-07 09:23:27
always someone else when when these people defend them selves
2016-02-07 09:23:49
tbf Dream3r had video evidence of what happened to him, qz is just full of shit.
2016-02-07 09:25:23
show the video evidence pls
2016-02-07 09:29:37
I don't have a link to the video but it was a video showing a guy go on the computer right after Dream3r went off it for like a couple minutes than the guy leaves and Dream3r comes back to the pc not knowing what just happened the internet cafe camera caught everything and he posted it I just don't have a link to it, compared to the bullshit these other kids say after they get vacced seemed like decent evidence at the time but Valve didn't buy it.
2016-02-07 09:34:32
think your mistaken him with indian cheater at gaming carnaval
2016-02-07 09:37:51
lol, you are totally wrong, this is the guy you are talking about

;) hltv kids think they know everything, meanwhile they know shit and just talk, jesus.
2016-02-07 09:39:55
Never seen that in my life, don't even have a clue who this is and no I'm not talking about this.
2016-02-07 09:40:44
then show the evidence of your statement about dr3amer, you won't show anything because that doesn't exist, meaning you are a retarded kid, now delete your account please.
2016-02-07 09:41:34
Love how you posted the link and didn't even realize the link of the video is removed and I couldn't see what happened how stupid are you please explain.
2016-02-07 09:44:09
yes it was removed, but it clearly says it all in the description.
"internet cafe that Salecha visited on May 17, prior to his team's match (which was played at a different location). At one point, the player leaves the computer unattended as he goes outside to make a phone call. Some minutes later (at 2:21 PM in the video), an unknown man comes in and uses the computer for a few moments."

But since you are a retarded kid you can't read, and yeah i am the stupid one because you can't read, now let's go back to your retardness, please show me the video you talking about or atleast an article that talks about your statement. Jesus just get cancer idiot, next time don't talk unless you got no proofs about it, trashcan.
P.S: change ur flag cuz ur prolly a retarded russian
2016-02-07 09:47:53
Keyboard warrior hahaha actually laughing at you but it's fine your iq is probably lower than your age. I usually don't resort to insults but "retardness" "show me the video you talking about" "or atleast", you're illiterate in English and you don't even know it.
Edit: Welcome to Islam forgot to mention this.

Post edited 2016-02-07 09:57:51
2016-02-07 09:55:18
Hahahahahaha i got no proof let's change the subject, hahahahahah ha ha ha h aha hahh
u so funny breh, now delete your account, thanks for sharing with us that fake story about dr3amer, keep it up idiot, i'm tired of idiots like you that talk shit but knows nothing.
2016-02-07 09:59:18
I'm tired of interacting with online cretins like yourself on this site to but you don't see me crying like a bitch. Do yourself a favour bro go back to reddit and join the circle jerk where you belong.
2016-02-07 10:06:49
show me the video/article that proves me wrong about your story and i will do so, untill then go back to your cave.
2016-02-07 10:11:54
wheres the video doe?
2016-02-07 10:34:22
Thats another player you are talking about

Post edited 2016-02-07 10:26:42
2016-02-07 10:26:18
if qz is full of shit, then what about flusha?
2016-02-07 09:30:46
Flusha has never got banned, none of his accounts are banned, he's never been over watched banned, he plays on all the anti cheat systems atm esea, cevo, faceit, esl, valve anti cheat, he's had his demos reviewed by Valve, he's had admins in the booth with him watching him as he plays nothing has ever been detected so that's probably why he never made a statement about something that never happened.
2016-02-07 09:37:04
Rofl. Valve only didn't ban him and made other cliebts not to, is because he is playing on a t1 team that already won a major before he joined. If flusha gets banned the whole pro-scene would be seen as a joke and no one will take it seriously anymore.
2016-02-07 09:59:51
To many silvers watching pro play these days everyone gets accused it doesn't even bother me anyone I don't even click those threads anymore if you were ever even decent at this game a silver accused you of cheating. Someone who can't even understand the basics of CS called you a cheater at some point, he went out of his way to make shitty .gif of a 16 bit demo out of hundreds of your games to find that one play that looks "kind of" suspicious and kept telling himself over and over this is evidence, why is valve not listening this is confirmed HLTV .gif evidence.
2016-02-07 10:15:55
Är du deprimerad?
2016-02-08 12:29:09
jelous burger over here
2016-02-07 11:58:21
And bush did 9/11. Leave us alone with your conspiracy theories...
2016-02-07 12:19:39
That is just speculation and nothing else
2016-02-07 14:07:27
Although it is pretty reasonable speculation
2016-02-08 01:13:45
Why would he not contact someone straight away though if that was the case...
2016-02-07 11:04:21
ayyy lmao

Post edited 2016-02-07 09:24:59
2016-02-07 09:24:49
I dunno... I think what he's saying in his statement could be true but man he'd have to get some evidence etc. If it can be confirmed that he used 2 accounts then maybe that's a start.
2016-02-07 09:25:01
2016-02-07 09:25:09
Is this happens because hes from china??????
2016-02-07 09:25:09
vac in 2013....
it's doesn't matter
fking valve ;/

Post edited 2016-02-07 09:25:37
2016-02-07 09:25:27
almost every pro should get vac banned

1 and biggest reason why valve dont rise their major prizepool is that almost every pro cheats and no one can do anything about it
2016-02-07 11:55:10
Also moon landings were fake and we are ruled by reptilians.

You are mentally retarded.
2016-02-07 13:00:11
tell me the reason then?
2016-02-07 14:09:47
you want the reasoning on moonlanding being fake or us being ruled by reptilians or your mental handicap?
2016-02-07 16:31:36
there is no other reason why valve havent rised major prizepool in 2 years. they dont wanna give more money to cheaters
2016-02-07 16:39:15
The price money is nothing in comparison with the sticker money. Just look at cologne, $4.2 million was given out to the teams and players. The price money means like nothing in the majors.
2016-02-08 08:24:51
valve doesnt give sticker money. ppl does so valve dont lose anything
2016-02-08 15:00:42
lol they could just keep 100% instead so yes valve does give money
2016-02-08 15:08:15
ppl wouldnt buy them so much then and i dont think hey would have even permission to use those logos

and players wouldnt make those autographs

Post edited 2016-02-08 15:12:34
2016-02-08 15:12:13
They would still do it for 10%. Sure 100% would not be possible
2016-02-08 16:52:30
Maybe but people act like it is an absolute truth in many threads and arguments and that is just dumb
2016-02-08 08:17:53
brought shame nothing else
2016-02-07 09:26:19
2016-02-07 09:26:34
nice story u fucking idiot
2016-02-07 09:27:16
rip sand dunes
2016-02-07 09:29:06
unbanned dream3r pls
2016-02-07 09:36:30
<3 good luck :)
2016-02-07 09:39:41
I believe him, i hope he gets cleared to play again
2016-02-07 09:39:54
if hes banned and dreamer, ban konfig pls
2016-02-07 09:39:58
Idk if this true but chinese guys are smart af. This reason literally makes sense but we need true evidence. I dont want to say this is bs but if this true we need some CLEAR evidence f.e check ip from his vac account
2016-02-07 09:40:41
2016-02-07 09:40:58
its true, account sharing is very common in the early days of people playing CS GO in China

to be honest , the damage is already done by ESL.

1)disqualifying TyLoo after 1 hour of "investigation"

2)Not allowing TyLoo players to even speak to them of what actually happened on that account at the venue. hey guys you are disqualified now get out of here is what happened to TyLoo at the venue

3)ESL Carmac making jokes and having a good laugh on Reddit after ending a players career

And players like k0nfig who had his other accounts VAC but is still allowed to play pro CS GO

is this happens because we are from China? for real can't help but feel that way
2016-02-07 09:41:51
No it happens because of brainwaisted management.
2016-02-07 09:46:33
I don't think it's just because you are from China, I think it's clear that Valve is equally incompetent for everyone. If qz is telling the truth though, I think it's kinda irresponsible to be using someone else's account if you're a pro. The same thing happened with Dreamer, he did something stupid (leaving account open in public) and now we will never know if he's guilty or not.
2016-02-07 11:00:34
Difference is in China it's actually common for more than one person to share an account because they don't have the payment options we have
2016-02-07 11:31:23
HAHA i just want to tell you when csgo was be released AND the alipay has been supported for Chinese players.

He is just telling a lie :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

You can knw it from Chinese CSGO community
2016-02-07 11:42:43
some1 translate plz
2016-02-07 18:01:49
2016-02-08 22:51:17
the scene was so bad back then you could hardly call him pro, he was just another player that played pretty good.
2016-02-07 18:36:14
3)ESL Carmac making jokes and having a good laugh on Reddit after ending a players career

2016-02-07 18:17:26
Nice excuse
2016-02-07 09:42:31
full of excuses
2016-02-07 09:46:10
always blame others, just never stand for what you've done.
2016-02-07 09:46:58
The only one who admitted was KQLY
2016-02-07 11:03:19
2016-02-07 11:24:21
I can admit it :D I was hosting modded lobbies in MW2(promod to be precise) which was forbidden and now I've got a vac ban for 2039 days. YAY, not even regreting :D
2016-02-07 11:47:53
i dont think this kind of reason can be faked.Who would've think this kind of reason?I guess he's innocent
2016-02-07 09:47:06
I believe him.
2016-02-07 09:47:21
"My friend took my account and hacked on it it wasn't me"

lol fucking idiot
2016-02-07 09:49:18
not exactly, try re-reading the claim. He was on someone ELSE's account, which was the one that got banned, cause he couldn't pay for the game due to the limited options at the time.
2016-02-07 17:37:03
Valve didn't investigate shit. ESL only read a Reddit post and drew their conclusions from that. This is the kind of space where we need extreme professionalism, not in the form of talent on screen, but to handle cases like these. It's a disgrace.
2016-02-07 09:55:54
2016-02-07 15:18:46
2016-02-07 22:05:56
No matter the game, Quake, UT, CS; so many try this excuse -_-"
2016-02-07 09:56:46
I dont belive cheaters=cheaters any reason
2016-02-07 09:57:22
if he's telling the truth why he waited so much time to say something ? threads about it on hltv and reddit days and days before the ban and they made a statement just after the ban ? it's really weird.
2016-02-07 09:57:28
Yep if he buy acc from friends how the friend take acc from him specily during the grand finall
2016-02-07 10:02:12
2016-02-07 10:04:11
And how the friend got vac during the final lol its weird just like numers sayung
2016-02-07 10:07:35
stich - HLTV.org
this news post is a little behind (6-7 days), I had to get a chinese correspondent to translate the site because I didn't trust google translate to be accurate :)
2016-02-07 10:12:14
lol google translate, would be horrendous.. but good job, atleast you found a better translator! :)
2016-02-07 10:21:03
You found a Ling Ling that speaks English? GJ man. Although being in NA should make it a lot easier.
2016-02-07 10:26:07
You deserve a raise man! :D
2016-02-08 15:52:32
I believe him.
2016-02-07 10:01:52
"friend using the account" sounds familiar, who else we know has this reason?
2016-02-07 10:02:40
is this happens because we are from BULGARIA??? guy teammate
2016-02-07 10:13:13
How illogical is that?

I mean either they're waiting for a Valve investigation and in this case they don't need to make a statement until the investigation is over, or either they're HOPING for a Valve investigation and in this case saying that they support the player is not a smart move at all.

Oh well, they'll deal with it eventually I suppose.
2016-02-07 10:03:24
Someone translate pls, i dont understand chinese
2016-02-07 10:07:02
"someone cheated on my account"

didn't emilio use same story? lol

he's been waiting this long to make up this childish excuse?

2016-02-07 10:09:47
no dreamer had the same story
2016-02-07 10:12:15
emilio too. He said he lent his acc to a friend and that friend was the one who cheated. Basically same shit
2016-02-07 10:18:03
He later admitted that it was himself cheating

Also said that he know many other cheaters in PRO scene, but "But I don't tell you who, I ain't snitch"
2016-02-07 23:28:49
it's not the same thing. His claim is he was using someone ELSE's account due to difficulty of buying the game in China, and that account got banned. Not someone else using his.
2016-02-07 17:41:49
Well if he gets unbanned and dreamer not i will say: IS THIS HAPPENS BCS WE ARE FROM BULGARIAA?????

Post edited 2016-02-07 10:14:20
2016-02-07 10:14:09
no he will not
2016-02-07 10:32:53
Oh, so sad they were both good players, sad that the train had to kill them
2016-02-07 10:18:54
I believe him , hope he gets unbanned soon <3
2016-02-07 10:20:20
really sad the train was so fast and blodet srupta
2016-02-07 10:20:53
yes EXTREEEEM fast, rip asia
2016-02-07 10:21:14
chatap i dont speek good enlish im russiapover!
2016-02-07 10:21:52
Is this happen because we from asia ? Fuck off
2016-02-07 10:31:05
we are*
2016-02-07 10:33:33
You are*
2016-02-07 10:35:51
Is this happen because my friend is asshole :))))
2016-02-07 10:48:32
You sure it wasn't the younger brother who borrowed your account? lelelel
2016-02-07 10:35:02
So the password was changed. He then contacted his mate to get the password again but was ignored. But suddenly he had the password again to log in and try to trade although his mate ignored him all the time?
Story doesn't add up.
2016-02-07 10:39:27
Maybe sent offer from different account
2016-02-07 10:52:42
It sounds pretty real and sincere, so he is probably telling the truth.

ALTHOUGH, if you're stupid enough to use a shared account with a friend that you can't trust to a 100% and you use that account at an MSI tournament/qualifier, then you my friend deserve to get banned for your stupidity.

2016-02-07 10:40:22
It's coming from a harmless little China man so it must be real and sincere <3
2016-02-07 12:55:01
It was 3years ago.
qz wasn't famous as he is now.
It was 2014-2015 when Valve and whole community got serious about VAC Bans.

How can you expect him to act professional and very careful about his account?
2016-02-07 13:01:24
Sure. He thought he could cheat and nothing would ever happen right? He should never be able to play any valve event again. Why is everybody 100% OK with KQLY being prohibited to play in valve events because he received a VAC ban, and now that qz got exposed he is innocent, pure and a nice guy?

Fuck him, he cheated and he has to pay.
2016-02-07 15:50:04
He really didn't have other options, and the scene was so shit how can you expect professionalism from him?

He wasn't really a "pro," just a good player.
2016-02-07 18:40:14
Textbook. Blame on everything else except yourself.
2016-02-07 10:40:33
dog stole my account and cheated
soz not soz
2016-02-07 10:40:43
So your friend alive ?
2016-02-07 10:45:05
my dog was playing from my account :3
2016-02-07 10:49:31
Sounds legit but after all its valve, valve doesnt care, be like valve.
2016-02-07 10:50:08
Sounds like the usual excuses to me. "it happened 3 years ago so i can't remember", "i used a friend's account."
2016-02-07 10:51:01
And he was asshole also he got vac durring my grand finall :)))))))
2016-02-07 10:52:46
oke lets say it's true. Now what?
2016-02-07 10:51:26
I believe him really, he's a nice guy. Asian teams were always fair and pure satisfaction to watch back in 1.6

can't remeber any VAC ban or similar from that side
2016-02-07 10:52:22
nah they never listened to the announcers in 1.6 did not happen 1 time(WEG)
2016-02-07 11:08:11
valve doesnt give a fuck, i guess:-)
2016-02-07 10:53:05
ofc the usual story "not my account" or "i shared account with someone else" lol nice try, just man up and say you cheated yo fuck
2016-02-07 10:56:01
classic excuse
2016-02-07 11:02:21
Didn't know writing a story that is used more than once takes that muc time.

We were just sharing account EleGiggle
2016-02-07 11:07:40
once a cheater........... ;-) real men dont even touch that shit, prick.
2016-02-07 11:09:26
2016-02-07 11:09:31
that friend that cheated on your account, was his nickname flusha?
2016-02-07 11:11:26
2016-02-07 11:29:21
2016-02-07 18:41:29
the statement might be the truth. What I can't understand is why someone would invest money on skins on a shared account?

Post edited 2016-02-07 11:27:42
2016-02-07 11:27:10
probably the only time I'm ever going to say this but for once I actually believe the accused
2016-02-07 11:29:52
Dear Chinese,
Cut the bullshit.
2016-02-07 11:39:01
It's pretty sad. Although your teammates, your club, and the whole community believe you, volvo probably won't believe you.
2016-02-07 11:39:01
is this happens because we are from CHINA?

China? I love em - Donald Trump
2016-02-07 11:40:38
Plays semi-pro cs and doesn't have his own account. sure thing chingaling!!
2016-02-07 11:44:27
before this case gets solved or dismissed, dream3r has a higher priority on knowing what his future will look like regarding valve sponsored tournaments.
2016-02-07 11:49:40
every VAC has a story :>
2016-02-07 12:07:37
Don't buy CS:GO, but buying Skins for an shared account? Seems legit...
2016-02-07 12:10:24
2016-02-07 14:51:23
It's always the friend of a friend of a friend that cheated that one time in DM... VAC is VAC, get over it and go play LoL.
2016-02-07 12:15:38
If that's true that sucks big time
2016-02-07 12:21:18
I actually believe him.
2016-02-07 12:21:47
ban simple pls
2016-02-07 12:23:44
stop lying bro
2016-02-07 12:33:39
"others logged onto that account"
2016-02-07 12:35:25
most stupid execuse ever xDD
2016-02-07 12:38:36
That account sharing sound pretty believable if it was hard to purchase csgo in China at that time.

Nowadays it would be insane for pros to share accounts considering that you get personally permanently banned for cheating.

At that time he wouldn't probably taken into consideration that he could be personally banned because he used a shared account.
2016-02-07 12:39:43
+1 most people here dont understand this.
2016-02-07 12:45:00
Thats what I think too. Of course he could have made it up, but its way more believable than all those other "muh brother cheated" excuses.
2016-02-07 12:49:15
Chinese are playing games since counter strike 1.6 days you think they can't buy a fresh game ?

Btw that guy was 22 at the time hmmm i am one year older than him sharing accounts is a pain in the ass because when someone logs in your steam it disconnects you ingame you don't want to have that while you play a serious match.

Pros aren't playing competitive since cs go days.

Gaming sites such as ESL don't allow you to change steam ids every week, it's like every 6 months or so. It's not well viewed if you are a guy with multi accounts it makes you smell like a cheater.
2016-02-07 13:19:14
Chinese players been pirating since 1.6 days because they play on LAN as back then internet hasn't taken off in China. So it was all LAN party. I bought CSGO in 2012, it was on sales for US$15? That's chinese money RMB$120 in 2012. 100+ is a lot of money for when typical salary back then was about RMB$500 a month even in cities. A big commitment. Sharing account seems the logical. So yea, it is believable story.
2016-02-07 14:53:49
2016-02-07 15:28:45
+1 eurofags cant understand
2016-02-07 15:41:48
You are not adding any value to this site.
2016-02-08 14:51:15
lmao tf u care
2016-02-08 16:32:22
sorry but $500 RMB a month is not a typical salary at all in Chinese cities. It's much higher.
2016-02-07 18:12:19
if you take the median $500 RMB sounds legit
if you average it it'll be $99999999999 RMB because billionaires and huge income inequality
2016-02-07 18:44:25
I know what you're saying, but even for a median number it's way too low.
2016-02-07 19:07:21
I did some research but could only find average incomes, but I did find this chart that (I think) shows typical income rather than average income.


We can probably assume that qz gets between the low urban income and the middle urban income, so he's probably in the low-middle urban income group, giving him what looks like 22,500 yuan of net income in 2013 (shitty chart). That gets you 1,875 per month. So that is much higher than 500, even when adjusted for economic growth between 2012 and 2013.

Then take into account that, although csgo would have cost approx 95 yuan, it seems that according to qz's statement it was hard to buy csgo legally so the price would have been higher. Then account for other expenditures such as bills (not sure if bills are counted in net income, probably not?) food, clothes, services, other hobbies, and you'll quickly find that qz didn't have much money to spend on the game Counter-Strike Global Offensive. (though apparently he had enough to buy skins :?)
2016-02-07 20:30:46
Well Toasty, Pros hardly purchase skins. There are a lot of players who willing to give them skins, especially in China.
I don't know if you ever heard about Alex'44, he was 2 times World Champion of CS1.6, one of the best IGLs in 1.6 era, master mind and well feared by other teams and pros.
When he came out of retirement and say he will Stream CSGO, he said, who ever have skins that they don't want, they can give it to him, he don't care if they are red level or gray level, he don't care if they are FN of BS, he will take them all. The second day, he received a StatTrek FN AK47 CaseHardened.
Just trying to make a point.
2016-02-09 10:03:59
In 2012 hourly salary of a factory worker in major cities in China is US$1.40. You can work you ass off and get RMB400/month unless you do a lot of overtime. I know office workers get more, maybe x2 or x4 depending on skill set. But given QZ age at that time, I suspect his salary to be on lower side. And I know all this details because I traveled to China extensively for business dealings few years back.
2016-02-08 13:35:25
Your math is still off, unless you're saying Chinese people work only like 2 hours a day.
2016-02-08 19:17:55
We aren't talking about piracy here we are talking about a bought game being shared.

The price of that game is nothing compared to the investment for a pc rig to play cs go or you invest into a cheap 2nd rig or cheap new rig but it would still cost way more than your game.

I don't know the history of this player do you know in what teams he was before cs go ? he played for tyloo in cs 1.6 or ?

For sure you have a point if he didn't have enough money that is.

For me it sounds all weird because we play everything on the internet since 2003 and before that date. If you play on the internet you can forget about it to play a steam being shared, let's not forget he registers with his steam id on all gaming sites for cups etc... and other users could too which is quite stupid to think at.

Post edited 2016-02-08 14:45:27
2016-02-08 14:39:15
most people there dont own a pc. they play in internet cafes everyday.
2016-02-08 16:34:13
Alright Zapper, I logged just to reply you.
People talked about Piracy is because 90% of the games Chinese people played before 2013 were piracy games, including Warcraft, which host DotA, and ofcourse CS1.6. Chinese people did not have the practice to PURCHASE games, they normally just go download them, I mean, it is not illegal in China.
Plus the fact that CSS was almost impossible to crack, credits goes to Valve, so all the 1.6 players chose to stay playing 1.6.
2013 is a weird ass year if you are familiar with CS1.6 and CSGO history. 2012 was the last year Valve will held CS1.6 events, but lots of players believes that if there were still a tons of players who stayed play CS1.6, Valve will have to dump CSGO and get back into CS1.6 events. Hell, they did it once before already, when CSSource came out. WCG went back to 1.6 and stayed healthy while CPL stayed on CSSource and quickly fall out of favor.
After that, CS was the E-Sport that Chinese people achieved the most before 2009, wNv.gaming won the World Champion in WEG, beating all the top teams, and even have an de_Nuke A bomb site Execute named after them. But Dota and Dota2 were the favorites in 2013, especially iG won the Internationals in 2012. CS was not in favor at all, so none of the players were payed well. They weren't payed well anyway, since E-Sport player was never a legit job that admitted by the Chinese Social Norm.
QZ might just see a tournament that could potentially win him some money and get familiar with the competitive CSGO, so he just borrowed an account. This is very possible. Chinese people didn't have Steam back then, CS1.6 doesn't need steam since Chinese players only plays in LAN mode, and Perfect World has control on Dota2.
So you can see, Steam was not essential before CSGO.
Of course, all of this adds up if and only if QZ is telling the truth.
2016-02-09 09:39:50
I don't know and I hope you're not lying.
2016-02-07 12:45:08
but I don't konw but I don't konw but I don't konw but I don't konw but I don't konw but I don't konw but I don't konw but I don't konw but I don't konw , NEXT LEVEL KNOW :DDDDDDD KONW!
2016-02-07 12:45:32
who shares account like that, smart fucks!
2016-02-07 12:54:08
In china it hard to get games legit my friend
2016-02-07 18:45:02
thats a bummer, dont they have steam like everybody else?
2016-02-08 11:07:47
"I can't remember the exact details."

2016-02-07 12:58:00
Anyway, nice try lol
2016-02-07 13:02:30
Came in thinking fuck this cheating rat. Saw the my friend used the account line and thought this little fuck deserves what he gets.

Left feeling a little sorry for him. Little fella got fucked over :(
2016-02-07 13:07:45
Ah, the gaming equivalent of the dog ate my homework excuse.
2016-02-07 13:12:14
tha was a joke DQ tbh
2016-02-07 13:12:29
excuse excuse more , nothing's gonna change . Nice try cheater

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2016-02-07 13:15:55
always some fkn excuse get out of here scum
2016-02-07 13:16:30
I believe him, even do his departure will make TyLoo a better team.
2016-02-07 13:22:55
pretty sure he isn't going anywhere as of yet
2016-02-08 03:29:08
2016-02-07 13:24:36
2016-02-07 13:31:06
it was my dooog, sorry !
2016-02-07 13:32:53
why can nobody ever man up and just fucking confess they cheated, why does every single banned cheater have all these bullshit excuses like "it was my friend" "my account got hacked" "my dog was playing" "my little brother cheated on my account" "i shared account with a friend"

2016-02-07 14:16:08
Everybody has a friend whos cheating on their accounts
2016-02-07 14:23:18
investigate pls
2016-02-07 14:27:34
So every VAC banned semi-pro or pro gamer has a cheating friend using his account, right? What a bullshit. Is this the best they can come up with?
2016-02-07 14:37:24
&#1054;&#1050;! His explanation is believable but cannot imagine pro player not carriyng his security issues, especially when u have bunch of skins and being paid for playing CS:GO.
2016-02-07 14:43:48
I mean, account sharing is still against Valve's TOS IIRC. Honestly, even though it reeks of bullshit, I could believe it that they didn't accept popular methods of payment so people shared accts.
2016-02-07 15:06:09
nobody cares what you think m8
2016-02-07 15:19:51
Who are you? Get off my nuts.
2016-02-07 19:47:08
not on your nuts ;(
2016-02-07 19:53:17
I highly doubt Valve looked into it all.
2016-02-07 15:19:15
Bla bla
2016-02-07 15:50:40
This seems much more likely than dream3r's story, in my opinion. Part of me feels like I should believe him.
2016-02-07 16:01:11
"At that time, some accounts were shared; I played on another guy's account."

"I got VAC'd and how could I save my skins! I tried to trade, but the VAC ban locked the items"


2016-02-07 16:47:48
2016-02-07 17:53:02
That's the part where I started smelling something fishy. But still, he's chinese and might not be fluent in english, or maybe this text was translated.
2016-02-07 21:15:26
yeah that could be it
2016-02-08 00:45:59
I do speak chinese and the translation of this article is pretty correct.
2016-02-08 02:33:48
Rekt lol
2016-02-08 02:32:13
ewwww, asian CS
2016-02-07 16:52:43
NA CS isnt much better.
2016-02-08 13:39:31
VAC bans > Proofs
Flusha is still not banned but this guy is without any suspect actions
2016-02-07 16:56:43
another guy fucked by the vac rule. valve wake up and give them a 2-3 year ban for cheating first time and then make permanent if they fuck up again?? to much wasted talents. i am sure he has cheated but does he deserve a permanent ban? A semi-pro CS player from denmark who i like answered me on hltv webpage where he tells his story and actually say he cheated and he also say 99.9% who have vac did cheat at some point. http://imgur.com/NxtKCOw
2016-02-07 17:00:36
Where is the talent when one have to use cheats?
2016-02-07 18:17:37
Did you even read his story? cheating like emilio is one thing but cheating for fun is another. nobody knew they would be banned for life 3 years ago. btw 3 years is a looooooong time in e-sport would you agree not?
2016-02-07 18:31:15
Where is the proof that it was for fun? It could as easy been been used for something wrong. If you an upcoming star semi/pro and use hax for "fun" you already know the consequences of your action, and let alone well knowingly from other historic threads involving the same subject.
2016-02-07 18:40:47
ps i did read the story, same same.
2016-02-07 18:41:19
upcomming star? it was 3 years ago. he just started playing csgo haha. yeah you definetly read the whole story dude. your just a hater obviously. i respect him for being honest unlike the rest of the pussies who has got VAC
2016-02-07 18:58:16
How do you know he is honest?
2016-02-07 19:02:47
how i know he is honest? he recieved the vac around 3 years ago when he never played anything so i dont know what your talking about? how is he lying?
2016-02-07 19:23:03
You rly think he just has been playing only 3 years and his friend was asshole and his friend got vac durring the grand finall specily during the grand finall rly ?
2016-02-07 19:34:38
Hehe didn't knew that it got vacced during finals, looool.
2016-02-07 21:49:12
are you really trying to say that he got vac banned during his assembly summer 2014 final? i see now. your just a hater :/ how sad that you cant see beyond it. people getting a vac from 2013 still being banned from majors and minors is nowhere NEAR being fair in any way. i think not. i think its very sad acctualy
2016-02-07 23:15:49
If people get vacced it means that someone has been using cheats, its that simple. Dont care who or where since its your own fault if you are dumb enough to lend your account to others.

2016-02-08 11:15:14
Is this happen because his friend is asshole ? He just like sorry guys i cant remember the exact detauls but i remember my friend was asshole he did this its not me
2016-02-07 19:43:57
If he is honest you have some proof of that? because t he only proof there is now is that he is vacbanned.
2016-02-08 11:16:32
It feels like he might be saying the truth. But dunno, it is always the same story being told.
2016-02-07 17:26:30
This isn't definite proof that qz was cheating in any sense. But here it shows that he used an achievement hack to unlock his achievements. As you can see, all achievements unlocked on the same date, he has to use a hack to do this.

2016-02-07 17:34:37
FYI there are plenty of workshop maps that helps you unlock your achievements immediately.
2016-02-08 03:26:09
I feel like I should believe him
But even if it's BS and he did cheat, It's definitely not right to bar him from a lan tournament he prepared for and traveled to one hour before playing because some reddit post gained some steam, especially since it was a ban from 3 years ago.
2016-02-07 18:48:06
Is this happens because hes from china??????
2016-02-07 18:49:31
2016-02-07 19:12:06
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2016-02-07 19:23:54
For fuck sake Valve it was a 3 year old ban, back when like 4 people in the world actually played CSGO.

Honestly, its like they fucking hate CSGO. First introducing the worst updates that ruined almost every aspect of the game, then perma banning the IBP players, and then now this.

Valve needs to just let the scene grow.
2016-02-07 19:25:59
Whats wrong with the update
And cheatets are cheaters time doest matter its esport if want cheat in game is your choice but you know what this will happen
2016-02-07 19:30:05
Whats wrong with their updates?

I mean first nerfing the awp, which people got used to but I dont think anyone thought it was a good update. It ruined some awpers like KennyS and JW, and it lowered the skill ceiling for the awp because now you dont need good movement.

The R8 revolved update was probably the worst in the history of games. period. it completely broke the game and it was so bad most tournament providers chose to ignore the update and play on an older version.

Not to mention the m4a1s nerf, which was handled poorly imo.

As for the IBP bans, there were some vietnamese players who match fixed and got banned for only 1 year. So all i'm saying is that Valve should be consistent throughout their bans.
2016-02-08 05:16:21
Who fking cares about a vac ban 3 years ago? Almost every pro hacked once in the past.
2016-02-07 19:31:29
german is fine with cheating, what a surprise
2016-02-08 02:27:00
haha...I just mean that nobody cares about the bans of the famous players and then a noname gets offend, because of something 3 years ago.
2016-02-08 15:16:28
Did he just use the FODDER excuse?
2016-02-07 21:08:06
different teams same drama again and again
2016-02-07 22:15:00
even if its true, it doesnt matter. Account sharing is forbidden and therefore if he was playing on this account in official matches, this is his account. if others have the login, then his own fault. who cares
2016-02-08 02:32:53
Again fuck you volvo disband pls
2016-02-08 03:35:12
It's YOUR account so YOUR responsibility when someone logs in and cheats on it.

Like they only use chinese payment-methods in China, it's 2016 man.
2016-02-08 11:16:33
Valve is deeply retarded with this kind of issues. They know how to make games but not how to deal with exterior problems. A fucking vac ban from 2013, who gives a flying fuck omfg
2016-02-08 15:14:53
So there is a slot open for someone to take his place i guess.
2016-02-08 16:36:05
Still better story than twilight tho
2016-02-09 17:47:36
I dont know who should i trust. My brain said he's cheating but my feeling & heart said he needs to forgive either he was cheating since it was 3 years ago. Its contradicted to myself.
2016-02-09 17:58:08
2016-02-11 18:36:21
never forgotten
2016-02-23 09:09:23
2016-02-23 09:16:23
Friends wil be friends4ever
2016-03-12 17:11:35

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