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With Finn "karrigan" Andersen being benched in Astralis, the team only has two out of five players in the active roster that hold the Legends' spot at ELEAGUE's Major. We've taken the liberty of examinining possible routes Astralis can take to secure their spot at the Atlanta event.
Prior to ESL One Cologne, Astralis swapped René "cajunb" Borg for dignitas' Markus "Kjaerbye" Kjærbye. As a result, Astralis had to use Lukas "gla1ve" Rossander instead of Kjaerbye, who was part of the Minor cycle with dignitas and thus couldn't attend the Major with another team.
During the event's group stage, Peter "dupreeh" Rasmussen fell ill and was forced to sit out the rest of the event, having to undergo surgery. Astralis used coach Danny "zonic" Sørensen instead in their last two matches (against dignitas in groups and Virtus.pro in playoffs).
As Astralis played with coach zonic in the match that clinched the quarter-final spot, and thus their Legend status, the following players would have to form a trio to remain invited for ELEAGUE's Major, Valve confirmed to HLTV.org:
That means that as things currently stand (karrigan recently being benched), the team only has two out of five players in the active roster eligible for the spot at the next Major: Nicolai "device" Reedtz and Andreas "Xyp9x" Højsleth.
To secure their spot at the Major, Astralis have several options: they can bring back Finn "karrigan" Andersen, sign gla1ve from Heroic, use zonic once again, or qualify through the Minor and the Main Qualifier.
Scenario #1 - gla1ve
Danny "zonic" Sørensen (coach)
Scenario #2 - zonic
Another possibility would be for zonic to step into the active roster once again, as he did at ESL One Cologne, where he and the team held their own against Virtus.pro in the quarter-finals.
However, there's one more option in which Astralis could use zonic but wouldn't have to play any matches with him. Valve's rules say that the team can swap the coach with one of the players in the active roster at any point before or during the tournament in a one-time capacity. NiP used that option at MLG Columbus, when Jacob "pyth" Mourujärvi was unable to travel to the States and the team used coach Björn "THREAT" Pers instead.
Astralis could use that same rule to their advantage. They could sign a new player who isn't listed in the roster above and register him as coach before swapping zonic for the new addition prior to their first match. Valve verified to HLTV.org that this would be a possible scenario according to current rules.
If they were to attempt to sign a player from dignitas, Astralis would probably have to complete the negotiations more than two weeks before the Main Qualifier begins (December 15). That was the case prior to ESL One Cologne, although ELEAGUE is yet to announce roster lock deadlines for their Major.
In this case, zonic would get the honour of having his own stickers in the game and the money from them despite playing none of the matches. The coach could personally transfer the money to that new player, though that would fall under massive double taxation due to Danish laws.
Previously unlisted player (coach)
Scenario #3 - karrigan
Danny "zonic" Sørensen (coach)
Scenario #4 - start from scratch
The Danes have a very limited amount of time to figure out whether they want to qualify with a new player, if they don't want to pursue scenario #2.
For that they'd have to start from scratch: advance to the Minor through the online qualifiers (which start next week), finish top two in Bucharest and then fight their way through the Main Qualifier.
That's obviously a very risky route considering they need to go through all three steps of qualifiers, the last of which will likely become the hardest Main Qualifier to date.
Which scenario do you see as the most likely? Let us know in the comments section below.
Post edited 2016-10-12 14:47:17
What if they have to start from the bottom ? Will another Team get the Slot? Maybe Dignitas cause they lost to them? Would be nice cuz diggi is better than astralis
Post edited 2016-10-12 14:51:33
EZSIEST Qualify ever
Post edited 2016-10-12 14:51:38
it's not like he had just a headache and didn't want to play ffs
great fucking plan mate
an ideal Danish superteam would have neither device nor dupreeh on it. They've had their chance (quite a few of them, actually) for four years. They remind me of the old curse.NA core that would constantly raid other rosters and make swaps, but were consistent only in failing expectations
More than 6 months after, the 3 players from the same line up argument is a stupid one, because even when the team still has 4 or even the full identical roster, the team might be performing completely differently (underperforming now) making the "they were legends" (and they used stand in and a coach anyway) so they automatically qualify to next major stupid.
Astralis HAS TO (in my opinion) QUALIFY to next major by winning the qualifier ...
NO FREE SEAT FOR ASTRALIS.
Post edited 2016-10-12 14:53:09
Fortunately it is the major rules and not your personal opinion that will decide...
Or if you don't do that, only top 4 at major, not 8 (especially when the groups aren't fair at all) keeps their seat for the next major (but a major in 3 maximum 4 months, 6 months + in that case was utterly stupid).
Astralis group was shit + they used some stand in/coaches, their line up looks completely different, they don't deserve to keep that spot :)
But business will be business, so they will keep it (would have loved to see them fight against Heroic or Dignitas on the major qualifiers, if they had to play against each other, it would have been fireworks ;) )
Post edited 2016-10-12 15:12:47
"the team might be performing completely differently (underperforming now) ... they automatically qualify to next major stupid"
by that logic you would remove the legendary status even if they were "overperforming" which makes no sense to me, why punish a team for improving? either you have the legendary status or you don't. sure Astralis "don't deserve"the spot but at the same time you risk VP not make the major, I mean they are notorious for struggling online.
personally I think top 4 gets legendary status, 4 get invites and the rest needs to go through the qualifiers
Therefore, is it not also reasonable that the Legend status should follow the organisation and not the majority of the players?
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Post edited 2016-10-12 15:11:46
The organisations sometimes switch teams - in some cases we might end up seeing some random low tier teams optaining a seat that an other team qualified for them.
fnatic just changed the majority of their lineup and haven't been nearly as good as before, an even more extreme example is if an org changes all of their players, remember when device and co created Astralis and TSM picked up some shit NA team?
Also, you could have a situation like a with Luminosity/SK, where LG essentially forced the players to stay in their poor contracts because the ELEAGUE spot belonged to LG.
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Post edited 2016-10-12 15:02:18
I would love a legendary zonic sticker.
And Carrygan would be the smartest option imo.
And you think Heroic wants to get f*cked by the "cool story" of it's better to have 2 very good teams, than 3 ok ?
They have invested in their organization like Astralis did, so they don't want to get rekt in the trades.
And looking how bad Astralis is right now, i wouldn't consider Astralis to be in a superior situation to negociate with Heroic :)
Maybe slightly better right now than Heroic (fixed forgot a few words), but wasn't the case a few weeks ago, and Astralis can definitely become even worse (for me Xyp9x was quite clearly worse than Karrigan, so it's another shit decision that they took).
Post edited 2016-10-12 16:53:43
They may even hold more cards over dignitas as well. I mean astralis are one of only two teams to make it out of every major group stage ever. And they do have device and dupreeh; two kings of denmark. Everyone knows the potential they have, dignitas hasn't reached the kind of heights astralis can reach yet.
not only that, but they also replied super quickly?
i dont believe any of that shit xD
Post edited 2016-10-12 15:09:14
More important is to get back a stable 5 man team and become a T1 Team again!
Couldnt they stick to karrigan and try to improve each player roles? Now it is one big mess. They need some kind of stabilization.
IMO they should begin with brand new roster from the qualifiers and give up legends status. But I dont see that happening coz ofc - easy money.
your pizza team ended up being 16th
- xyp9x + valde
just restart and grind out qualifiers, this team could be great.
anyway astralis can play with zonic one game and then dupreeh will play for him
start from scratch
easy major titles, astralis will now be showering in money
stop doing bs and destroying team's hope
Post edited 2016-10-12 18:50:59
gla1ve, zonic and karrigan make a team for the major, get auto-qualified l0l
As if karrigan was a problem to this lineup. They already choked when FeTiSh was there, they brought karrigan and he transcended this line up. Until they started to choke even harder against far inferior teams.
I'd understand if gla1ve joined them because they're supposed to be the best team in denmark, but they would actually be insane in Heroic if it was the other way around, like -Friis +device.
It would be a huge mistake to leave Heroic right now, as they are on the rise.
IT IS OBVIOUS that they will bring CAJUNB back.
Karrigan - We can only guess on the exact reasons for his benching, as that more than likely has to do with what happens on teamspeak.
Only Kjarebye shouldn't have major status. WTF
The entire Astralis roster who played in the major should have the Major status like the Coach and Dupreeh just not Kjarebye. This shouldn't be a problem.
Astralis to become top3
If Astralis mean to sign gla1ve, they need to "prevent" him from playing the European Minor, which kicks off on November 4.
If Heroic played the Minor with their current roster, gla1ve wouldn't be able to play in the current Major cycle with another team, according to Valve's rules.
Nicolai "device" Reedtz (Legends spot holder)
Andreas "Xyp9x" Højsleth (Legends spot holder)
Lukas "gla1ve" Rossander (Legends spot holder)
Peter "dupreeh" Rasmussen
Markus "Kjaerbye" Kjærbye
Danny "zonic" Sørensen (coach)
SHIT THEY CONFIRMED IT DAYS AGO WTF