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FX, EG refuse round restart
Controversy has sparked only in the opening round of the Extreme Masters World Finals after Evil Geniuses and Frag eXecutors both declined to have a round restarted following network problems.
The matches between mTw and Frag eXecutors and Evil Geniuses and fnatic were both paused half way through after a DDoS attack on the ESL's servers caused the two Scandinavian teams to freeze during a round.
Such problem allowed Frag eXecutors and Evil Geniuses to win the round in question, with their opponents asking for a round restart.
However, the admins stated that both teams had to agree on the restart, and since FX and EG failed to do so, the matches went on with the scoreline untouched.
Evil Geniuses eventually won their match 18-12, while mTw and the former AGAiN team are still playing.
fair enough.
2010-03-02 13:01:27
this is just a lame move, but doesnt matter FX & EG will both fail anyways
Post edited 2010-03-02 13:03:36
Post edited 2010-03-02 13:03:36
2010-03-02 13:03:03
?!
Dude... stfu :S you've just wrote in a sentence how dumb you are by saying those things...:S its not a lame move... its fair and square move... if you don't like it... its your view... but FX AND EG defenetly arent a fail :s
Dude... stfu :S you've just wrote in a sentence how dumb you are by saying those things...:S its not a lame move... its fair and square move... if you don't like it... its your view... but FX AND EG defenetly arent a fail :s
2010-03-02 13:06:12
its the admins/organizations fault that the internet crashed, not the fault of mTw/fnatic.
so next time your going wild on a forum get your facts right.
so next time your going wild on a forum get your facts right.
2010-03-02 13:23:35
Fair and square lurppis winning an 1on3 when fnatic players couldnt even move? Now thats proves how dumb you are ;)
2010-03-02 13:23:57
fair and square the situation... IF said it... if hit its the EG would be the same and yes I know fnatic dude :D lets just say 'who doesn't'...!
But see... here's my point... it could'v hit EG too... so I think its the usual swedish whinning casa here :s
NO MORE TO SAY STOP REPLY TO ME!
Força
But see... here's my point... it could'v hit EG too... so I think its the usual swedish whinning casa here :s
NO MORE TO SAY STOP REPLY TO ME!
Força
2010-03-02 13:35:55
It could hit EG, but it didnt. It only hitted fnatic and EG should allow the round restart and not forcing a game win over a stupid internet issue. Thats just to lame for a known professional team, just LAME.
2010-03-02 13:41:17
How did you even understand what he said? Damn the engrish iz veri guud :<
2010-03-02 15:10:29
Fair and square lurppis winning an 1on3 when fnatic players couldnt even move? Now that proves how dumb you are ;)
2010-03-02 13:24:01
actually after a year with this lineup i cant find better place and time that EG can win big tournament.. they look strong now days !
2010-03-02 13:06:33
+100
yeah.. let them win in the groupstage..
yeah.. let them win in the groupstage..
2010-03-02 13:06:50
its only 1 round they won 4 more :S wtf ur talking about :S
2010-03-02 13:14:24
you know fnatic had a eco after?
2010-03-02 13:16:22
so ?
2010-03-02 13:21:46
eco means to lose rounds?
are you stupid? could you not figure that out?
look players leave server join back with $800 now thats at least 2 eco rounds as ct.
are you stupid? could you not figure that out?
look players leave server join back with $800 now thats at least 2 eco rounds as ct.
2010-03-02 13:28:27
haha 100% failed ^^
2010-03-02 13:28:14
How did his post fail? Many people agree such as Nixon and Nomad that what FX and EG did was very unfair and both teams don't even know the meaning of sportsmanship, you sir are a fail.
2010-03-02 13:33:03
Annoying situation, it did however hurt fnatic a lot more than mTw. Watched dsn view his demo after the match, where it clearly showed how much he lagged, while being crouched under the train, and was not able to respond, while lurppis took him out.
2010-03-02 13:03:35
That's a really tough situation as if they would start the game with a certain amount of money from the point where the other team crashed, it could totally change the money situation the first game would have had. Too bad that the game between fnatic and EG had to come up to this as it was going to be an even closer game.
Post edited 2010-03-02 13:04:18
Post edited 2010-03-02 13:04:18
2010-03-02 13:03:57
but they lagge only for 1 round not several rounds rigth?
Post edited 2010-03-02 13:06:11
Post edited 2010-03-02 13:06:11
2010-03-02 13:04:55
EG: why would we agree to a restart? it was 1v3, we clearly had the round in the bag anyway!
fnatic: wat
fnatic: wat
2010-03-02 13:05:09
What is fair play when you can get a free win right?
2010-03-02 13:05:38
I'm unsure as to whether the half would be replayed or just the 9th round? How could you replay just the 9th round and keep the money situation intact?
2010-03-02 13:09:11
Dude it's like this.. booth teams were in the same server... if it hits fnatic... 'oh well' if had been EG I bet fnatic would say the same that EG did and said.... it's easy... its much in line and its fair... to my point of view its pretty fair :s
2010-03-02 13:23:18
You obviously dont know fnatic. If you did, you would know they would agree with restarting the round without thinking twice. And stop that "fair and square" bullshit, it isnt fair losing a won round because of the lag. Besides, after that round loss, fnatic had to eco so shame on EG, really lame attitude but oh well.
2010-03-02 13:27:32
So thats how EG won!
Bit lame from EG and FX, expected of FX, but EG im surprised.
Bit lame from EG and FX, expected of FX, but EG im surprised.
2010-03-02 13:06:19
Now with all the statistics of previous events in mind, EG have given FnaticMSI the tournament win. I will explain.
The majority of the events where FnaticMSI won, they lost a match in the groupstage. If this didn't happen, FnaticMSI might have won all their groupstage matches and lose one match in the playoffs. Thanks to EG's bad sportmanship this hasn't happened.
We should thank EG for this.
Also have to add, the admins should have enforced a round replay.
Post edited 2010-03-02 13:10:47
The majority of the events where FnaticMSI won, they lost a match in the groupstage. If this didn't happen, FnaticMSI might have won all their groupstage matches and lose one match in the playoffs. Thanks to EG's bad sportmanship this hasn't happened.
We should thank EG for this.
Also have to add, the admins should have enforced a round replay.
Post edited 2010-03-02 13:10:47
2010-03-02 13:07:34
haha roychez, man, you know I love you :P
2010-03-02 13:09:49
good boy :)
2010-03-02 14:39:53
that sucks so hard...
really lame attitude, can't believe it...
worst part is that I totally know mTw and fnatic would have agreed to a restart even if it took a round away from them, they are not that kind of dumb people.
I hope EG will get ruined later on.
really lame attitude, can't believe it...
worst part is that I totally know mTw and fnatic would have agreed to a restart even if it took a round away from them, they are not that kind of dumb people.
I hope EG will get ruined later on.
2010-03-02 13:09:08
i hope you will get ruined
2010-03-02 13:12:14
we already have Polish fanboys here, we don't need you.
2010-03-02 13:13:56
+1 on that. I was going to say "back to gotfrag" but thats good to :P
2010-03-02 13:29:13
The worst has yet to come my friend. Wait for his fellow GotFraggers to come over. The Polish, Swedish, German, Spanish, Portuguese fanboys are nothing compared to them.
2010-03-02 13:34:16
haha I'm not familiar with that community, you are scaring me :P
2010-03-02 13:40:15
I'm unsure as to whether the half would be replayed or just the 9th round? How could you replay just the 9th round and keep the money situation intact?
2010-03-02 13:09:32
lol @ all of you saying lame blah blah blah.. you forget they're playing for $50,000
2010-03-02 13:09:40
For some people in this world luckily money isn't everything.. :)
2010-03-02 13:11:23
If you live for the money you shouldn't play games, but finish school and become executive at Microsoft.
2010-03-02 13:18:50
i dont know what the right decision
2010-03-02 13:10:16
So one player lagged in a 1v3, what about the other two? EG won get over it!
2010-03-02 13:11:46
The three players lagged at the same time, so did the players from mtw as the switch used by both teams was the same, as far as I've read so it was really bad sportsmanship from EG and FX. Shame on them... Hope both teams can't get through as they don't deserve it.
2010-03-02 13:16:47
Okay and lurppis was killing three guys at once?
2010-03-02 13:21:23
They lagged, couldn't move, lurppis picked them up one by one... Lag isn't necessarily a split second event.
2010-03-02 13:22:46
do not bother, his brain is a split second worker, so let it be, hes to ....
2010-03-02 13:31:30
AHAH, you win sir!
2010-03-02 15:20:11
How did U know that?
Did EG know/believe that? Or not? EG just fought hard for their rights.
Did EG know/believe that? Or not? EG just fought hard for their rights.
2010-03-02 13:31:33
Rights? LOL i can just lol at your comment seriously wtf.
2010-03-02 13:33:45
LOL my ass.
Fnatic: "We lagged, so restart the round."
And you think they EG just believed/accepted immediately, huh? No. Then EG refused.
That's all I meant. I'm a fan of fnatic also.
Post edited 2010-03-02 13:44:27
Fnatic: "We lagged, so restart the round."
And you think they EG just believed/accepted immediately, huh? No. Then EG refused.
That's all I meant. I'm a fan of fnatic also.
Post edited 2010-03-02 13:44:27
2010-03-02 13:42:29
Dude your sentences dont make any sense, and i mean ANY! Fnatic asked for a restart because they would OBVIOUSLY win the round and put EG on a hard money situation. Is it that hard to understand how unfair this is? Seriously lol
2010-03-02 13:52:59
Is that hard for U understand that EG did NO FAULT AT ALL? The ESL did wrong. And why accepted restarting the round since EG didn't do anything wrong in the match?
Restart the round, and EG would lose the match after.Everybody knows that. because Fnatic always is a team better.
Unfair for fnatic Yes, but that's unfair for EG too if restart the roun since they won the match already.
Post edited 2010-03-02 14:02:59
Restart the round, and EG would lose the match after.Everybody knows that. because Fnatic always is a team better.
Unfair for fnatic Yes, but that's unfair for EG too if restart the roun since they won the match already.
Post edited 2010-03-02 14:02:59
2010-03-02 13:57:39
So your just proving my point.
2010-03-02 14:03:23
Yes fnatic only lost because of that round. And EG is a bad team and fnatic is the world's best team ..... NOT
2010-03-02 14:24:41
fnatic actually is the ranked 1 team right now, so nice work on your sarcasm there.
2010-03-02 23:58:11
Hey thanks! ;)
2010-03-04 02:24:32
Why would fnatic come up with a lie during match that would be easily perceived afterwards just by watching the demo and get a default loss for doing that? As far as fair play goes, EG failed hard. fnatic is not some random kids team who makes up excuses for losing rounds during matches...
2010-03-02 13:36:17
Nice fair play.
2010-03-02 13:15:08
swedes whines as always
2010-03-02 13:23:15
Polish fanboy trolls as always. Cant you really understand whats right in this case?
2010-03-02 13:34:56
Yes you are right and the admins were wrong. Or is it the other way round?
Admins are there for a REASON.
Admins are there for a REASON.
2010-03-02 14:26:30
Gotta love FX
ESWC emuLate paused the round by accident but won the game, FX cry and demand 3 rounds be taken away from emuLate, but now when mtw lag out its a different story?
ESWC emuLate paused the round by accident but won the game, FX cry and demand 3 rounds be taken away from emuLate, but now when mtw lag out its a different story?
2010-03-02 13:16:46
cruzaderr = official hltv clown
2010-03-02 13:21:53
It's called learning from own mistakes, kiddo.
2010-03-02 13:22:10
its called if you cant beat them, then cry like a "Kurwa" Polish people have been good at crying for 200 years now.
2010-03-02 13:29:57
read news moron...and look whos crying.
2010-03-02 13:33:33
haha right :D
2010-03-02 18:50:05
You are right, only the poles can't see it. They only see "NEO & co." so nevermind them...
2010-03-02 13:24:20
the admins should have decided this and not say that the teams has to agree on something, ofc EG and FX say no, admins need to take more control over the situations..
2010-03-02 13:18:18
+1
2010-03-02 13:28:21
exactly... why they even exist when they leave such an important decision up to players.
2010-03-02 13:29:14
I agree with you Cazzidy, but remember WCG 2007? The organizers gave e:STRO the match when cbteam clearly beat them fairly. e:STRO disputed cbteam for crouch hopping but solo himself was duckhoping throughout the whole game but he was let off unpunished.
Everyone went on to blame WCG organizers for being biased (because they are Korean and eSTRO is Korean team)
I think ESL took that example.
But yea, I agree that officials, refs, admins or whatever they are called should be given the highest power to make decisions ultimately.
Post edited 2010-03-02 13:50:58
Everyone went on to blame WCG organizers for being biased (because they are Korean and eSTRO is Korean team)
I think ESL took that example.
But yea, I agree that officials, refs, admins or whatever they are called should be given the highest power to make decisions ultimately.
Post edited 2010-03-02 13:50:58
2010-03-02 13:42:48
heartbreak for fnatic, hopefully this fires them up to mow everyone
fX situation wasnt as tense, but still lame
fX situation wasnt as tense, but still lame
2010-03-02 13:22:22
Maybe this is why EG is acting like they are?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE
True Story
Post edited 2010-03-02 13:32:17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE
True Story
Post edited 2010-03-02 13:32:17
2010-03-02 13:23:47
And this is they're viewpoint (And mine) on all swedes:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d3ykkET2kM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d3ykkET2kM
2010-03-02 14:46:58
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE
2010-03-02 15:57:09
What a fair tournament ...
Or not !
Post edited 2010-03-02 13:25:21
Or not !
Post edited 2010-03-02 13:25:21
2010-03-02 13:25:05
EG were in the lead, if they restarted they would have lost all momentum and prob the match...why should they agree? they worked hard to get where they are, should they get penalized for server/net problems? and im confused but didnt the pause take effect before EG won the 3v1? if so, how would they know that fnatic were lagging...
2010-03-02 13:30:02
HLTV has delay. No, it didnt pause before the 1v3. They were obviously going to lose that round if fnatic players wouldnt lag. After that stupid 1v3 won, fnatic had to eco. So its 2 rounds loss because of a freaking lag problem/EG lame attitude. And im not even going to speak about the psychological effect on fnatic players, most of the guys here dont understand certain things but oh well.
2010-03-02 13:38:45
I didn't saw that match but fnatic lost with more than 2 rounds. And if they so susceptible to "psychological effects" as you said then maybe they shouldn't playing at all ?
2010-03-02 13:52:43
It was 12-11 if i remember right. That would go to 12-12 plus EG possibly ecoing. That change the outcome of the game. So that "more than 2 rounds" mean nothing at all. We dont know if fnatic would win all the rounds after that, or if EG would shut it down and won by a larger number of round diff.
2010-03-02 13:59:24
100 % agreed
2010-03-02 13:46:34
Agreed.
2010-03-02 14:29:11
fnatic and mTw would have also decided not to restart if it was in their favour.... still quite lame for fnatic but if i was eg i would also play on..
2010-03-02 13:30:30
I really, really doubt that. When did you see mTw or fnati act like that previously?
2010-03-02 13:38:12
Youre so wrong.. mTw and fnatic would never refuse a restart if they know that would be fair. 2 of the most professional teams in the world, they have enough fair play to not getting a free win unfairly.
2010-03-02 13:46:47
oh - and why you think that. Are you some sort of medium?. Maybe you give me numbers in euro lotto for today ?
2010-03-02 13:54:19
I know that cause i know some of fnatic players personality and mTw ;)
Besides, your obviously a polish fanboy so its normal you deffend your team, even if they had a lame attitude ;)
Besides, your obviously a polish fanboy so its normal you deffend your team, even if they had a lame attitude ;)
2010-03-02 14:01:06
yeah - i'm polish fanboy because i questioning your guessting. Bravo - you're most arrogant moron in this forum
2010-03-02 14:23:02
and i know Benedict XVI and he give me call that god almighty told him that guys from fnatic wear red panties and that is why they not leaving group stage ... but you are " obviously a sweden fanboy so its normal you deffend your team"
2010-03-02 14:28:03
You obviously dont even understand english. Im not deffending fnatic you freaking moron, im just accusing EG of lack of fair play. Why do i keep talking to 10yo polish guys.. Blows my mind.
2010-03-02 14:38:05
and why you said that i'm polish fanboy only defending fx ... i said nothing about fx. I just disagree with your foreseeing that fnatic wouldn't do the same thing that EG did. If you doesn't understand my english why you respond. I didn't said that i know this language in 100 %.
2010-03-02 14:47:16
if you think that i'm 10 years old then i very sorry for you because you obviously don't know how to enter in somebody profile and check this for yourself before writing lies
Post edited 2010-03-02 14:52:38
Post edited 2010-03-02 14:52:38
2010-03-02 14:50:04
Benedict XVI is a nazi.
2010-03-02 15:30:11
stfu EG and FX are great team's, 1 player lagging and they lose all map? u see the last round between EG vs Fnatic? EG >>>>>>>>>> FNATIC just like that go cry home.
2010-03-02 13:32:54
i think they doing wright. FX and EG !
2010-03-02 13:36:11
Learn to spell, and of course you think that since it's your favourite team playing.
2010-03-02 13:45:10
I wonder why the referees are so spineless. Take control, damnit. That was just pure fail.
2010-03-02 13:37:59
Think about the exact opposite situation. I don't think fnatic and mTw would approve restart issue.
2010-03-02 13:40:58
ESL completely made us look like the bad guys as their own rules said there are no restarts and the round counts, but then fnatic asked them "what if we agree" and they let it slide and made it our fault, instead of following their OWN rules. Restarting the match from that round would have devastated our money and momentum.
2010-03-02 13:44:01
You would LOSE that round in a normal situation, and you would have your money and momentum devastated anyway. So shame on admins for not following their rules, and shame on you guys for knowing whats right, having the chance to fix it, and still beeing lame enough to get the free round ;)
2010-03-02 13:49:59
Actually, what #127 pointed out in the FX/mTw match applies here as well. EG had a ton of money stockpiled at the start of the lag round, while fnatic had to use all their money from their previous ecos to buy. It would be difficult to ascertain the exact money for each player without access to pov demos, but having to play train against t's that are on a full buy round with m4's/no nades or clarions/nades is not ideal and they wouldn't have been able to give frod an awp. However, even with a lag round loss they would have had enough money for a full buy with an awp for frod because of their money advantage.
This is coupled with the fact that fnatic's money would not have been at the $4500 mark even with the round win. It was 6-2 in favor of EG that half, and fnatic just had a full buy round. They would have been less than 1k for each player, probably somewhere around $500 or less a piece. They would have been around $4200 dollars a piece with the round kills factored in, and as I pointed out before EG would have had enough for a full buy with an awp for frod even if fnatic had won that round.
In short, because of the 6-2 lead that EG had at that point, the money advantage that EG would have retained if lurppis lost that 1v3 would have been wiped out by a restart.
This is coupled with the fact that fnatic's money would not have been at the $4500 mark even with the round win. It was 6-2 in favor of EG that half, and fnatic just had a full buy round. They would have been less than 1k for each player, probably somewhere around $500 or less a piece. They would have been around $4200 dollars a piece with the round kills factored in, and as I pointed out before EG would have had enough for a full buy with an awp for frod even if fnatic had won that round.
In short, because of the 6-2 lead that EG had at that point, the money advantage that EG would have retained if lurppis lost that 1v3 would have been wiped out by a restart.
2010-03-02 14:23:48
Your argument fails. EG was at T side, not at CT. And even lurppis said that round would devastate their money system and momentum. Without the lag issue, fnatic would have won the round, plus putting EG in that same bad situation. So saying it would be unfair for EG to restart the round when they won the match after that unfair not-restart is just absurd.
The thing is that even if fnatic had won the round, they could simply lost all the other rounds, EG could win with merit anyway. Its not my point whinning about fnatics lost. Im only dissapointed on EG's lack of fair play seriously lame.
Post edited 2010-03-02 14:35:18
The thing is that even if fnatic had won the round, they could simply lost all the other rounds, EG could win with merit anyway. Its not my point whinning about fnatics lost. Im only dissapointed on EG's lack of fair play seriously lame.
Post edited 2010-03-02 14:35:18
2010-03-02 14:31:54
Actually, you misread what I said. What you are assuming is that EG would have had less than or equal to as much money as the $4500 from the round restart. This is wrong however and it is what lurppis meant by devastating their money and momentum. They would have had more than $22500 team pool ($4500 a piece as per restart) WITH the loss than they would have with the restart.
And yes, I realize EG was on t and I should have noticed that. My mistake. It does however lend even more weight to my argument.
Being up 6-2 against ct's at the start of the lag round would mean that fnatic would have drained themselves completely while buying expensive ct stuff and EG would have had a lot of money stockpiled since terrorist guns are cheaper. EG would have had a full buy but if they lost after restart they would have had an eco for sure, but there's no telling if they would have had to eco without the restart and a loss (I doubt it). As I said, it is impossible to know the money situation without the demo, and until we see the pov demos we can't know just how much a round restart would have hurt EG. You have to remember that at the top of the game it really is the money system that decides matches.
edit: Had to add this. The interesting thing with the money system is what would have happened if EG had actually accepted the restart. If EG had lost the round again, they would have been forced to eco (instead of being able to buy). But if fnatic had lost, they would have had to double eco for sure (assuming they lost the first eco) since they had drained themselves the previous round. Basically, no matter what happened after the lag, somebody would have been upset because it would have affected one team or the other in a negative way for sure.
Post edited 2010-03-02 14:57:51
And yes, I realize EG was on t and I should have noticed that. My mistake. It does however lend even more weight to my argument.
Being up 6-2 against ct's at the start of the lag round would mean that fnatic would have drained themselves completely while buying expensive ct stuff and EG would have had a lot of money stockpiled since terrorist guns are cheaper. EG would have had a full buy but if they lost after restart they would have had an eco for sure, but there's no telling if they would have had to eco without the restart and a loss (I doubt it). As I said, it is impossible to know the money situation without the demo, and until we see the pov demos we can't know just how much a round restart would have hurt EG. You have to remember that at the top of the game it really is the money system that decides matches.
edit: Had to add this. The interesting thing with the money system is what would have happened if EG had actually accepted the restart. If EG had lost the round again, they would have been forced to eco (instead of being able to buy). But if fnatic had lost, they would have had to double eco for sure (assuming they lost the first eco) since they had drained themselves the previous round. Basically, no matter what happened after the lag, somebody would have been upset because it would have affected one team or the other in a negative way for sure.
Post edited 2010-03-02 14:57:51
2010-03-02 14:48:29
Its nice to have a constructive discussion for a change ;)
I understand pretty good what your saying but now look at the other side.
Fnatic blow all their money to buy. They were going to win that 1v3, so they were buying next anyway/accumulate money. It that lag-fault loss and without the restart, they had to eco and not full-force buy in the next round. Plus, their psychological motivation went down drastically. Always two sides of every story
I understand pretty good what your saying but now look at the other side.
Fnatic blow all their money to buy. They were going to win that 1v3, so they were buying next anyway/accumulate money. It that lag-fault loss and without the restart, they had to eco and not full-force buy in the next round. Plus, their psychological motivation went down drastically. Always two sides of every story
2010-03-02 14:54:12
Yeah. It's crappy that EG didn't accept the round restart but I can see the motivation. The lag basically ruined the game. If fnatic had won it would have been a great match. If EG had won it would have been an upset. Instead, the lag made a huge controversy and no matter the outcome of the game or if the restart was accepted people would have been upset.
2010-03-02 14:56:56
I agree. The referees were the ones that messed up.
2010-03-02 13:52:03
And EG had the chance to makes things right, and still went for the easy/lame way ;)
Stop putting all the fault in ESL admins when EG had the chance to fix the situation.
Stop putting all the fault in ESL admins when EG had the chance to fix the situation.
2010-03-02 13:54:12
I'm not saying it was a fair decision, because it wasn't. I'm just saying the referees should've stepped in instead of letting team EG make a decision that wasn't theirs to make.
2010-03-02 14:07:11
Yes, EG just can fix and become fairplay hero, and can lose the match too. what did you choose if you were EG, plz? :D
2010-03-02 14:08:40
I wouldnt want to win based on a unfair decision. Of course i would like to win the game vs fnatic obviously, but not when knowing that i won because of an epicfail lag issue / fair-playingless (i made up a word!) attitude, if you know what i mean.
Post edited 2010-03-02 14:14:45
Post edited 2010-03-02 14:14:45
2010-03-02 14:14:23
Cheater
2010-03-02 13:52:40
Maybe so. right now all you have to do is keep playing well, keep winning and proving everyone that this win wasn't a fluke.
If you guys didn't do well, expect more bashing from the fans.
If you guys didn't do well, expect more bashing from the fans.
2010-03-02 13:58:38
And by winning that round you / they (the admins) devastated fnatic money and morale, thus winning the match. You had the chance to make things right and chose the easy way out...
2010-03-02 14:07:28
+1000
2010-03-02 14:13:27
Not surprised, this is the only way EG can win.
2010-03-02 13:48:20
Aye
2010-03-02 13:51:05
Great start from the "biggest tournament this year".. ggggggggggggggg
2010-03-02 13:53:33
no words for that :x
i don't think it was a fair decision..
i don't think it was a fair decision..
2010-03-02 13:57:17
Yeah I'm sure fnatic would have agreed to replay the round if they were in EG's shoes lol... get real.
2010-03-02 14:04:10
Drop that typical american attitude. And get real, fnatic would allow the restart if it was fair ;)
2010-03-02 14:18:48
carn told him this ....
2010-03-02 14:38:11
Wait a second. Such a round restart in ESL is mp_startmoney 4500. Fx won 2 rounds in a row and had much better money situation than mTw. After round restart they can't buy snipe, can't buy nades. CT is more expensive than T. Net problem wasn't mTw's fault but it wasn't also Fx's fault so why Fx should pay for this? This would be fair? There is no ideal solution in such situation but not giving rr did less harm in my opinion.
2010-03-02 14:06:06
You can not blame EG and FX. EG knew this 'error-round' gave them an big advantage. They are eager to win over a big name like fnatic. For sure they know fnatic is the better team; this situation gave them the oppurtunity to finally beat a team worth mentioning (on toplevel :D). If this was a 1on3 situation in fnatics favor, it costes fnatic at least 2 or 3 rounds. The round itself, an eco afterwards and maybe a third poor/not fully buyround. Besides these rounds u shouldn't undervalue the effect on players mentally. I would have got frustrated at least. Since cs is very mentally on toplevel, this kind of situation could cost any team a loss. Ofcourse fnatic should act professionally, but they are still jung humanbeings.
I personally don't blame FX or EG, but I totally agree with those peeps who think this was a LAME MOVE!
I personally don't blame FX or EG, but I totally agree with those peeps who think this was a LAME MOVE!
2010-03-02 14:09:17
This is no one's fault except ESL's. They are the league and they set the rules. Name one sport where the referees decide to ask the players on what decision should be made. That is beyond ridiculous and bushleague. No rule should EVER include the participants who are competing. It is not fair to ask a competitor, who is giving 110% and everything he has to WIN, to use 'moral judgement' against an opponent.
ESL once again showing they have no idea what they're doing.
ESL once again showing they have no idea what they're doing.
2010-03-02 14:19:15
Still a fairplay uber fail from EG.
2010-03-02 14:22:09
Fairplay is not about charity and pseudo-nobility. There is nothing fair in restarting the match from that point. Basically all restarts with startmoney is an utter idiotism - the game is ruined anyway, you can as well go and play anew. The only unfair thing that happened to fnatic is lag itself, yes, that sucks, but EG had nothing to with it. And restarting the game because of that wouldn't be fair FOR EG first and foremost.It would give fnatic an absolutely undeserved additional chance to start from scratch and possibly gain momentum they didn't have previously. Had EG agree on restart it would've ruined EG's money system from all their previously won rounds and frags, not mentioning a morale and momentum drop. And why all this - because fnatic players lagged ?! Lagging is supposed to be an unfortunate event and not an achievement of some kind ?! Making assumptions on what could have been in this situation is simply useless. If fnatic were really as noble as you naively try to portray them, they would refuse the restart themselves knowing that it would hurt EG no less (in fact even more) then them. Yes, lag sucks, but why does your opponent have to suffer because of that ? There is only one side who failed yesterday and that was the event organisation - LAN problems in games of this caliber are unacceptable. Exactly because such situations don't have an all fair and square solution for them, except maybe for recreating the game from all the 10 demos, making each buy and frag again. No one would allow such a time-consuming process at EM though, I'm afraid - and that is again NOT EG or fnatic fault but admins.
2010-03-03 01:04:35
why is it not fair to ask a player for a moral judgment?? in cs its not all about making money. If you saw a handicap with a thousand dollars would you take the money from him because you simply can do that and he cannot stop you. I hope you wouldnt, its the same in this example, they won because they used an unfair advantage(the fact that they didnt create that advantage themselves makes no difference) and they had the other option which was fair. I am sorry but in real life that would be stealing form a handicap.
2010-03-02 15:07:46
I don't understand how anyone seriously blames the admins now. If they would have tken favour for one team (means: one team still would feel disadvantaged), people would cry now that admins didn't let the teams decide. They never can satisfy all people involved.
But I'm glad that no german team was involved, otherwise there'd be again 1001 nazi remarks and flames against the german community. ;)
But I'm glad that no german team was involved, otherwise there'd be again 1001 nazi remarks and flames against the german community. ;)
2010-03-02 14:19:40
it isnt matter whats fair,it is matter of dignity n honor,obviously EG has none.
Post edited 2010-03-02 14:30:07
Post edited 2010-03-02 14:30:07
2010-03-02 14:27:36
shouldn't be up to the players, it's their tournament they should decide the rules... especially if the problem is on their part.
2010-03-02 14:29:34
First of all the rule is unbelievably stupid. In tennis if a ballboy drops a ball during a point, the point restarts no matter what was happening during the point. Why doesnt cs have a similar rule which would avoid these unfair situations when something strange happens??!
And the second thing, what a LAME move by EG...Who wants to win against opponents who cannot move?! I dont care if it is not theirs fault, or if its about the money or whatever, they knew that they had a big advantage in that round and they didnt want to restart. Only cheaters have a big advantage so no further comment...
And the second thing, what a LAME move by EG...Who wants to win against opponents who cannot move?! I dont care if it is not theirs fault, or if its about the money or whatever, they knew that they had a big advantage in that round and they didnt want to restart. Only cheaters have a big advantage so no further comment...
2010-03-02 15:00:50
This shit was so 10 minutes ago. Fnatic fanboys should worried about the 9-6 half FX put up on ya.
Not like that one round lost them the match... the
21 rounds before and then the two gun rounds after
did. they could have pulled a crazy eco off or just won the next gun round and been right back in it.
Not like that one round lost them the match... the
21 rounds before and then the two gun rounds after
did. they could have pulled a crazy eco off or just won the next gun round and been right back in it.
2010-03-02 15:19:55
really unfair decision from fx. where is the sportsmanship? and they won with only 1 round difference. sad
2010-03-02 15:30:05
FUCK EG , LAMERS
lurrpis's 3v1 won the match.
y no restart ? afried ? .
fuck eg. lame team. hope mousesports destories them.
lurrpis's 3v1 won the match.
y no restart ? afried ? .
fuck eg. lame team. hope mousesports destories them.
2010-03-02 15:42:20
So it was 6-2 for EG before fnatic's players crashed, the round could've gone either way and had it been restarted both teams would've started with 5k money?
I'd say it would've been unfair for EG had they played the round again.
And gotta love the guys with "if it was other way around fnatic would've agreed on restart!!!" What are you, mindreaders?
Dunno about the other match and frankly I don't even care.
I'd say it would've been unfair for EG had they played the round again.
And gotta love the guys with "if it was other way around fnatic would've agreed on restart!!!" What are you, mindreaders?
Dunno about the other match and frankly I don't even care.
2010-03-02 18:18:41
Unfortunate situation and a shame something like this had to happen. Lame someone would DDOS cebit(if that's what even really happened). Hopefully everything will be better tomorrow :\
2010-03-02 18:23:45
double moral by EG here :) last weekend it was ohnonono and this weekend its yesyesyes
2010-03-02 19:37:23
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