lurppis: "This was the ESL's fault"
By: MIRAA
Time: 2010-03-02 14:28

Evil Geniuses captain Tomi "lurppis" Kovanen has shaken off criticism for not agreeing on a round restart during the match against fnatic.

The Finnish star won a 1-on-3 situation during the second half after three of fnatic's players were experiencing freezes following network problems caused by a DDoS attack on the ESL's servers.

The match was then paused, with fnatic calling for a round restart, which was immediately declined by Evil Geniuses, who went on to win the match 18-12.

Kovanen has now put the blame on the tournament admins, who had allegedly indicated in the first place that restarting the round was out of the question.

"It sucks that it happened, but this was the ESL's fault," he told HLTV.org. "At first, our manager went over to talk to them and see what's up and the ESL said the rules say the rounds stand, because we cannot go back like 40 seconds and see what would have really happened.

"Changing the money situation would have probably messed the game up a little bit, so they told us, 'the match is gonna stay as it is' and 30 minutes of arguing later, fnatic somehow got the admins to agree that if we agreed, we would replay the round with $5k for both teams.

"That just made us look like the bad guys, admins should not be doing that and putting the blame on us instead, it sucks that it happened but I still feel like we were the better team in that match."

The victory against fnatic put Evil Geniuses at the top of group, together with mousesports and Frag eXecutors, with Kovanen reckoning that a place in the knock-out stage is a possibilty.

"I think mouz is going to be harder, at least for us to play against, than fnatic, so I would say they are our biggest threat, I think all the teams are definitely beatable in our group, we beat both FX and mTw at Arbalet Cup, if we just play well and then wrap a win against oXmoze then anything is possible," he concluded.

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damn right ESL F*CKING SUUUUXXXX
2010-03-02 14:39:46
ESL soooo fucking sux they should go away and never come back! hltv.org>esl
2010-03-03 02:25:04
by: razor~ - HLTV.org
#2
this is bad
2010-03-02 14:40:14
gj EG
2010-03-02 14:40:19
ESL epic fail
2010-03-02 14:41:13
bad
2010-03-02 14:42:10
i actully like this for cArn n f0rest both saying that EG r noobs n will never reach our level blah blah blah on a video back when EG first got bak into 1.6 SHAME fnatic HAHAHA

Post edited 2010-03-02 14:44:06
2010-03-02 14:42:42
At that time, they were -.-
2010-03-02 14:44:22
by: Qi - <3 zAAz
#16
agrijed

Post edited 2010-03-02 14:46:34
2010-03-02 14:45:59
but they said will never!!
2010-03-02 14:48:08
give me a link then!?
2010-03-02 18:04:43
source?
as far as i know, only zonic said that.
2010-03-02 14:45:34
mTw just said that it would take EG time a lot more time to come back than they thought - and it did.
2010-03-02 14:47:04
Oh okay. :D
My memory bank is rusty now.
2010-03-02 14:48:19
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#27
As far as I know Sunde or some other guy from mTw said it would take EG at least a year to reach the top, and I think he has been proven exactly right.. :)
2010-03-02 14:48:54
by: taM
#51
Well, that remains to be seen. They haven't proved it thus far. They have played good group-stages before, but that's not enough.
2010-03-02 15:02:40
mje said that on moscu if i'm not wrong (it was in a vid)
2010-03-02 18:23:23
Both carn and getright said this when they came on Lo3, twice in fact. if you guys want to watch the show/hear the mp3's I can find them.
2010-03-02 14:59:48
though partly whoever said that was right, the team has switched out a lot of players since then and only fRoD and Storm are still in the team from the CGS-period.
2010-03-02 14:51:32
did u read whats happend ? omfg fnatic is still n1 in the world
2010-03-02 14:52:00
by: EnV1
#94
fnatic is so much 2009 !
2010-03-02 19:36:14
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Post edited 2010-03-02 14:58:33
2010-03-02 14:57:12
carn & f0rest never said that .. fuckin lier.
2010-03-02 17:42:07
by: oPoP
#7
hltv sucks..
2010-03-02 14:42:58
its not hltv fault :@ ...Bad internet....
2010-03-02 15:20:23
by: Shep
#8
If their opponents get lag freezes in every game, they might do it...
2010-03-02 14:43:26
why they cant install hlds shield on servers?
2010-03-02 14:43:40
I just hope EG drops of earlier in the group stage.
2010-03-02 14:43:56
ofc u want that ...
2010-03-02 14:48:45
I was supporting them before the lame attitude tbh. Was hoping to see them in the top3 of the group. But after that demonstration of lack of fair play i just hope they get knocked out.
2010-03-02 15:21:32
Admins' fail + EG fairfail
2010-03-02 14:44:20
Quick question, I'm trying to watch the ESL stream but it's lagging as hell, does it have anything to do with the ddos attacks??
2010-03-02 14:44:38
sherlock
2010-03-02 14:46:56
I think that's a yes, thank you.
2010-03-02 14:48:17
by: H10k
#38
not really the stream should work perfectly besides when the connection goes off from the event. but no laggs

Post edited 2010-03-02 14:54:29
2010-03-02 14:54:11
by: MJP
#14
ESL - shit one !
2010-03-02 14:44:46
100% agreed. As I wrote in the other thread:

This is no one's fault except ESL's. They are the league and they set the rules. Name one sport where the referees decide to ask the players on what decision should be made. That is beyond ridiculous and bushleague. No rule should EVER include the participants who are competing. It is not fair to ask a competitor, who is giving 110% and everything he has to WIN, to use 'moral judgement' against an opponent.

ESL once again showing they have no idea what they're doing.
2010-03-02 14:46:11
by: jenn
#30
nicely put.
2010-03-02 14:51:18
Agreed.
2010-03-02 15:05:56
I just +1'd Slasher for the first and last time in my life.
2010-03-02 15:10:33
Thanks Alex. There's not even a +1 on this website. I knew I could count on you.
2010-03-02 15:30:35
You said it
2010-03-02 16:18:52
nonsense...name one sport where in the rules, it's possible for the "sport" to crash...the game crashed, the players were unable to play, EG should have shown some fairplay and accept to replay the round imo.
2010-03-02 19:17:11
Different sports have different rules. Don't compare rules of NBA to cs.

And so you know, this season in the NHL the power went out in an arena, so they paused the game, and continued it couple days later in a different city.

Its not nonsense, shit happens.

What Slashered said is 100% correct, when you're in the middle of the match, you can't ask the other team to "play fair".

All this "ohhh poor sportsmanship", take a look at any sport in the world, I could see it now world cup soccer final game, and SOMEONE takes a dive. They're trying to win, not be moral or whatever people are saying.

Post edited 2010-03-02 21:17:42
2010-03-02 21:11:50
thats exactly what i said :)
i used the example of sports cuz the guy i answered too used it too :)
2010-03-02 21:17:06
Oh sorry, then we agree. =)
2010-03-02 21:18:32
bad ESL!
2010-03-02 14:46:42
esl epic fail

Post edited 2010-03-02 14:48:15
2010-03-02 14:47:38
by: H10k
#25
the ESL i think he means THE ADMINS or THE ESL ADMINS :D
2010-03-02 14:48:39
No matter whose, just not his!
2010-03-02 14:51:20
by: H10k
#36
for sure blame the whole ESL :D
2010-03-02 14:52:34
But they represent ESL.
2010-03-16 20:59:59
your are one of the fast ones :D
2010-03-16 21:16:31
Not really, but I have other things to do than sitting here all day.
2010-03-16 22:15:09
:-)
2010-03-16 22:36:19
Greatest championship in world, and so BIG FAIL. its unreal mistake...
2010-03-02 14:48:56
Just restart the round, give everyone 16k, spend the excess and its game on again.
2010-03-02 14:49:37
This could have been the best tournament ever - ESL wtf?
2010-03-02 14:52:29
tbh, EG would have won either way, and i think it's really unprofessional to blame it on ESL or to blame this conflict on anyone, EG won maybe not "fair n square" but they would most likely have won, freezelag or not.

NEXT!
2010-03-02 14:52:39
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2010-03-02 14:55:21
Shitty situation all around. Oh and it's very sportsman like to argue with the admins until they give in and change to rules to even let this situation happen.
2010-03-02 14:56:08
by: k4te
#41
hilarious, lurppis as we know and love him ;)
2010-03-02 14:57:00
ESL admins realy suck.

-offtopic-
please more info on whats happening, are they trying to fix it or just waiting for attackers to get bored.
2010-03-02 14:59:29
why they suck? the decision was right and EG/FX didn't agree.. what should they do instead?

use your brain pls if you got one :x
2010-03-02 15:05:11
they could replay the round, they could give the money, they could at least done -1 or -2 rounds from eg at the end score. Use your brain and if u havent got one, dont reply to me please.
2010-03-02 15:12:12
'fnatic somehow got the admins to agree that if we agreed, we would replay the round with $5k for both teams.'

and that against the usual rules but EG didn't agree! if the admins did restart the round without asking the teams, they were the bad guys also.. so shut up lowbrain :>
2010-03-02 15:22:16
You idiot those rules just suck as they do, they did the right thing you say? they did nothin and this is just stupid i dont know how you can even argue about that(i do know, cuz your German). They just put the decision on teams and sat back on this one.
2010-03-02 15:29:24
you don't unterstand me.. what would you do? if they just had restarted the round without asking the teams it would be the most fair decision by far, that's right but for one side they would be even so the bad guys.
2010-03-02 15:48:11
as admins you shouldn't be seeking for popularity. if you need to be the bad guys then you are, who cares?
2010-03-02 21:13:49
The decision wasn't right at all, if you are the admin YOU should make the decision, you shouldn't be a coward and leave everything up to the teams.
2010-03-16 21:03:13
5 hours past away and what we have now&&&??

sorry/// - LOAL
2010-03-02 14:59:32
Haha, anyway - EG win, that' most important !!!
2010-03-02 15:00:05
agreed..
ESL sucks... gg Eg.
2010-03-02 15:01:29
on addition to that esl tv sucks badly :/
2010-03-02 15:01:30
Disconnect Internet and Use Non-Steam ;)) haha
We'll watch ESL TV :))
2010-03-02 15:01:37
I can already see the headlines "A successful day is drawing to a close... to a close of ESL-TV" :)
2010-03-02 15:02:18
it isn't ESL's fault but rather the CEBIT one. they check servers and the network there, the championships are only one part of the CEBIT. and if one stupid idiot mean to hack the servers, it isn't the problem of ESL :)

the decision of the admins was RIGHT and FAIR, what should they do instead?! EG and FX didn't agree and the game moved on. it happened and ok, you can't change it.. next pls!
2010-03-02 15:03:44
"fnatic somehow got the admins to agree that if we agreed, we would replay the round with $5k for both teams."

Then whats the problem?

And that they dont have a descent protection against ddos attacks is a fucking joke.
2010-03-02 15:03:54
Yeah, exactly. Basically, they're just using what admins said at first as an excuse for not agreeing with the round restart.

Post edited 2010-03-02 15:07:13
2010-03-02 15:05:32
the problem is EG had way more money and fnatic had just bought off a eco round. so either way it would of been unfair. fnatic should have blown a 9-6 half lead regardless
2010-03-02 15:21:31
But it was a 1on3 situation, so money wouldn't stay that way
2010-03-02 19:13:16
EG would never win from fnatic.... noob ESL
2010-03-02 15:04:06
"so they told us, 'the match is gonna stay as it is' and 30 minutes of arguing later, fnatic somehow got the admins to agree that if we agreed, we would replay the round with $5k for both teams."

Yeah so fnatic got the admins to agree if EG agress, but EG wouldn't? And why exactly aren't they the bad guys? They had their opportunity to act in the spirit of fair play but they didn't. Doesn't matter what the admins said at first, does it?
Or am I missing something?
2010-03-02 15:04:41
This shit was so 10 minutes ago. Fnatic fanboys should worried about the 9-6 half FX put up on ya.
2010-03-02 15:11:10
Absolutely right. Theyre just putting all the fault in ESL admins when they had the chance to make things right. +hypocrite
2010-03-02 15:24:32
EG = NO LIFERS :)
2010-03-02 15:04:55
eg was the better team........the truth.........!!!!!!!!!!


frod was fckin awesome
2010-03-02 15:05:36
what a shitty org ESL!!!
2010-03-02 15:08:38
I would love at lease 1 tournament where lurppis doesn't have to give statements on how 'it wasn't his/their fault' etc. It always happens to him......strange
2010-03-02 15:11:07
This shit was so 10 minutes ago. Fnatic fanboys should worried about the 9-6 half FX put up on ya.
2010-03-02 15:11:58
by: fkn-
#67
HLTV.org crew should porived this tournament, they are always on time.
kthxbye
2010-03-02 15:12:38
Hahaha! This is soooo ESL! Amateurs! :DD
2010-03-02 15:13:02
by: H10k
#76
like EAS :D
2010-03-02 15:33:33
im so thrilled.. those who believe in god, now would say this is a heaven punishment.. arbalet > esl..
2010-03-02 15:50:25
+1000000000000
2010-03-03 02:43:09
Its the only way EG would win against fnatic tbh.
2010-03-02 16:00:38
should be "This was the EPIC ESL's fault"
2010-03-02 16:03:57
yeah epic fail hahahaha noobs
2010-03-03 02:20:56
#80 fnatic got outplayed that match did you see the same match as me ?
2010-03-02 16:21:12
I doubt that any of you guys saying eg's behaviour is bad and so on, wouldn't do the same thing in that situation. It's not eg's fault that ESL messed up :)
2010-03-02 16:21:39
by: Pus - HLTV.org
#85
I find it funny that no one actually thanks ESL for the whole event. :)
2010-03-02 17:13:47
haha you are funny...thanks for what for destroy every cs event? noob xD
2010-03-03 02:20:12
by: Pus - HLTV.org
#106
Who's actually hosting this event? Inviting top players and teams, handing out hundreds of thousands in cash, making it able for unworthy little peasants like you actually watch the event? Try focusing on the positive things ESL do.
2010-03-03 08:44:38
niice iview =)
2010-03-02 18:25:23
Sure it's the ESL's fault that it happened. But this has NOTHING TO DO with the fact that EG had to choose between either allowing a restart, which was the fair thing to do (winning a 1v3 vs lagged out guys, what the hell?), or being huge dicks and refusing. The fact that the situation is the ESL's fault is NOT related to the choice that was made by the EG players.

Post edited 2010-03-02 19:01:51
2010-03-02 19:01:09
Restart and put 5k in each players hands? You have got to be kidding me
2010-03-02 19:27:31
buy fucking mags wid thse 5 k and pawn esl tv;s admins jackasses lol
2010-03-02 21:55:31
haha, love all the fanboys who comment about this "fair play"-shit...EG are assholes, but fnatic has played oh so fair, trying to persuade the admins into restarting the round and therefore mess up the whole money system...fnatic just came out of the eco and should be granted 5k, while eg was in a pretty decent cash-situation and should get a few k reduced? wake up! its not fair for players to lagg out, but it isn't fair to mess with the whole money-system either, especially on train where being fully equipped is so important...and who ever said that putting yourself at disadvantage has anything to do with "sportmanship" or "fair play"?
2010-03-02 23:50:20
ESL should give them money for the passage to this tournament.
Fail of the year.
2010-03-03 02:58:11
It's actually fnatic that are showing bad sportmanship by whining so hard to the admins when they probably knew the rules.
2010-03-03 11:50:33
by: joz
#108
ESL got so many haters due to admins abuse.. so what happened it's not that unxpected to me. gj EG btw
2010-03-03 12:40:00

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