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FX decline ESWC invite
By: MIRAA
Time: 2010-04-27 19:04
Frag eXecutors have turned down the invite to attend the Electronic Sports World Cup finals.
The ESWC announced last week the names of five teams that have been directly invited for this year's World Finals in Paris and won't require, as such, to enter their respective national qualifiers.
Frag eXecutors, who won the last edition of the tournament under Meet Your Makers, are one of the five invited sides, along with fnatic, SK Gaming, mousesports and Lions eSportsKlubb.
However, the former MYM team have declined the invite, and will instead participate in the Polish qualifying process.
"We are a Polish team and we have to appear on the most important domestic tournaments", team manager Adrian "Ziggy" Witkowski told the team's website. "We feel obliged to take part in them for our fans, the media and also teams' sponsors."
Despite the fact that FX wanted to attend the Polish qualifier while keeping their invite, this way giving up their prize in case of a win in the tournament, the ESWC rules meant that they had to choose between the auto-berth and competing in the qualifier.
This decision leaves the ESWC with one slot to fill, with a likely candidate being WeMade FOX, who placed second in 2008 under e-STRO.
really, really weird oO
2010-04-27 19:06:43
omg what a group a dumbasses they are,
they are just stealing the qualification spot for another polish team by refusing the invitation...
hope they will come to this conclusion themselfes and just cancel this qualifier, since they made that stupid move!!!!!!!!!!!
OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG
they are just stealing the qualification spot for another polish team by refusing the invitation...
hope they will come to this conclusion themselfes and just cancel this qualifier, since they made that stupid move!!!!!!!!!!!
OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG
2010-04-28 12:53:13
That's not weird, that was expected, because if they qualify ESWC will pay for their trip to Paris. Otherwise if they had accepted invitation they would have to pay for themselves.
2010-04-29 00:18:57
oh my good.
2010-04-29 05:11:10
Im dissapointed
2010-04-27 19:07:14
why are you disappointed? they aren't NOT attending eswc, they're just taking a different route in getting there. i'm pretty confident they will win the polish qualifiers with ease.
2010-04-27 21:19:15
aren't = are not .. So don't say aren't NOT .. lol
2010-04-27 21:23:25
pls read this one more time and u will get it
2010-04-27 22:27:39
they refused the invite. They want to qualify instead. Cause then they'll get their exepnses covered by organizers.
Post edited 2010-04-27 23:24:44
Post edited 2010-04-27 23:24:44
2010-04-27 23:23:59
OMFG EPIC FACEPALM... "they aren't NOT attending eswc, they're just taking a different route in getting there." IT MEANS - THEY AREN'T GOING TO MISS THE ESWC IT SELF ONLY BECAUSE OF REFUSING THE INVITE, THEY WANT TO RECEIVE THEIR SPOT IN THE TOURNAMENT BY QUALIFYING! Fucking dumb ass shit.
2010-04-27 23:34:23
yea, instead of letting some other polish team take a spot there... it's definitely better... lol
and negro don't tell him how to speak english, he from canada... lol
and negro don't tell him how to speak english, he from canada... lol
2010-04-27 21:34:05
Coming from a guy that can barely speak Enlgish himself.
2010-04-27 23:01:56
Enlgish yes? Flaming turd
2010-04-27 23:08:17
I love engrish too :D
2010-05-28 15:23:38
double "not"ing is considered a mistake... lrn2englishs
2010-04-28 10:20:00
Oslo Lions???
why??
why??
2010-04-27 19:07:17
They did it not to pay for the tickets to Paris. Stupid decision, I wish that they gonna get owned by delta at polish qualification.
2010-04-27 19:07:36
A wise decision, if an invite doesnt mean paid expenses and a qualifier does.
2010-04-27 19:07:57
I'm not sure why they would do that. Other than to show they are still Polands nr1? :/
2010-04-27 19:08:12
i guess they want to prove they are worthy of the spot? anyway stupid decision unless they are really poor and want the qualifiers cash prize
Post edited 2010-04-27 19:15:27
Post edited 2010-04-27 19:15:27
2010-04-27 19:15:12
They should invite MYM..
2010-04-27 19:18:38
WMF would be awesome
2010-04-27 19:18:45
Bigger teams = more coverage for tournaments. They want more media coverage of the Polish qualifier, which will just be another small local tournament without any international powerhouses like FX attending.
Seems like they're trying to keep the Polish community involved...
Seems like they're trying to keep the Polish community involved...
2010-04-27 19:18:56
I think players aren't also happy with this decision from Frag-eXecutors organisation , as we know Polish organisations aren't the richest ones and they want to save some money.I thought we'll see 2 Polish teams (-:
2010-04-27 19:19:22
hope WMF take that slot!
they will reach the ESWC finals anyway!
gl
they will reach the ESWC finals anyway!
gl
2010-04-27 19:20:07
fx dont have cash :P
2010-04-27 19:20:16
+1
2010-05-28 15:26:09
Would be funny if an other Polish team would surprise them at the Polish qualifier :D
2010-04-27 19:23:15
trust me , they wont ;)
2010-04-28 01:51:34
Wow you're a smart one aren't you? :O
Like I said it would be "funny".
But looking at the recent bad shape of FX, it isn't 100% unreal that another Polish team couldn't surprise them. They aren't the same with pasha, so don't underestimate other Polish teams.
Post edited 2010-04-28 14:06:22
Like I said it would be "funny".
But looking at the recent bad shape of FX, it isn't 100% unreal that another Polish team couldn't surprise them. They aren't the same with pasha, so don't underestimate other Polish teams.
Post edited 2010-04-28 14:06:22
2010-04-28 13:56:28
NEO>ALL
2010-04-27 19:23:25
Simply FX is another bullshit orga like Wicked or Vitriolic. I bet it will last no longer than 2 more months and before ESWC they will again play without organisation
2010-04-27 19:26:51
so if they had accepted the auto berth a second polish team could have qualified for the event, making 2 polish teams at eswc? So as they decided to go through the qulifier only 1 polish team will be at eswc? I think if they like so much the polish scene they should have find another way :$
2010-04-27 19:34:15
oslo lions invited? lmao.
2010-04-27 19:36:12
I bet mYm will get the invite instead of FX because when ESWC sent intvitation to FX they thought about if the winner team or winner orga should get it.
2010-04-27 19:40:15
it's not the same orga at all anyways.. they had another owner back in the days
2010-04-27 19:47:34
WeMade FOX definitely deserves an invite considering they placed second 2008.
2010-04-27 19:40:47
stupid
but they will pass in qualifiers
Post edited 2010-04-27 19:43:17
but they will pass in qualifiers
Post edited 2010-04-27 19:43:17
2010-04-27 19:43:06
Good choice. And even more I agree with this decision when I read most of raged crybabies comments agaist Fx from people involved with Polish other organisations who can't take another ass whooping and think only about themself. By saving money Neo&co can attend another international tournament (plus Poland ESWC qualification). Fans should be happy about that instead of throwing shit on theyr best e-sport representation outside country.
Post edited 2010-04-27 19:50:03
Post edited 2010-04-27 19:50:03
2010-04-27 19:47:23
well FX a polnish team without real good sponsors that can support the team. Better playing the PL qualifier that they will win 100%.
2010-04-27 19:47:38
I presume the question pending is if accepting the invite Fx would have to pay the expenses (do not know to what extent) and that the 2nd polish team, winner of the qualifier, would on the other side have their expenses paid.
Thus, they prefer to go for the "paid" spot.
I do not see quite clear though that the reason given, and it sounds really good to "foreground" the importance the Polish scene has for them, is that do not accept the invite because they want show up for the fans/polish scene in general, that is, and the sponsors. Do they state this in order to not have to say that Fx is not able (or it is too expensive) to "pay" expenses due to the invite?
Hope someone can shed some light on this.
Thus, they prefer to go for the "paid" spot.
I do not see quite clear though that the reason given, and it sounds really good to "foreground" the importance the Polish scene has for them, is that do not accept the invite because they want show up for the fans/polish scene in general, that is, and the sponsors. Do they state this in order to not have to say that Fx is not able (or it is too expensive) to "pay" expenses due to the invite?
Hope someone can shed some light on this.
2010-04-27 19:51:21
They need to travel to Paris on they own.
Of course they can use car and waste much of time and be like-a-dead at the event or can take a plane.
The plane (not counting 'cheap' airlines) for 6 people (yeah, one extra - TaZ said last time that they were missing someone from orga at the events) it is like about 1.000 EURO. More to read @#56 - just translate of the few polish cs sites.
Of course they can use car and waste much of time and be like-a-dead at the event or can take a plane.
The plane (not counting 'cheap' airlines) for 6 people (yeah, one extra - TaZ said last time that they were missing someone from orga at the events) it is like about 1.000 EURO. More to read @#56 - just translate of the few polish cs sites.
2010-04-27 20:59:12
But, as said, wouldn't it be easier to state that instead of stating this "patriotic" thing?
2010-04-27 21:03:33
Read the #56 "The FX sites tells they were". If they are not doing too much marketing these "patriotic" things are going to be true. Really I have no idea when we saw the Fx aka Golden Five playing in PL at some big, well organised event :-)
2010-04-27 21:17:14
Sure I read your message but in the end all would be the same, if as in most cases 1st get slot and expenses paid and 2nd slot.
But in the end, it is attending the qualifer to state, instead of the "patriotic" thing, we are here for the paid expenses and as we already have an invite we do not need "another" slot.
Which would be in the end, what happens with qualifiers with two spots (see above).
And as I stated, why not just say, 'Hey, thanks for the invite but as we can not pay the expenses we prefer to go through the qualifier - this way, we will also show up locally for our fans, etc.' -
You notice the difference? ;)
But in the end, it is attending the qualifer to state, instead of the "patriotic" thing, we are here for the paid expenses and as we already have an invite we do not need "another" slot.
Which would be in the end, what happens with qualifiers with two spots (see above).
And as I stated, why not just say, 'Hey, thanks for the invite but as we can not pay the expenses we prefer to go through the qualifier - this way, we will also show up locally for our fans, etc.' -
You notice the difference? ;)
2010-04-27 21:26:37
This is shit for the other polish teams. They other teams have constantly tried to play at an international level but FX have always blocked winning all qualifiers there is.
Stupid and egoistic decision
Stupid and egoistic decision
2010-04-27 19:57:28
Damn bastards! You are right, they should lost from time to time instead of constant winning and blocking 1st spot. Such stupid and egoistic behaviour. They need to be ban for that for life.
Post edited 2010-04-27 20:24:14
Post edited 2010-04-27 20:24:14
2010-04-27 20:21:20
they should've given the others a chance now that they were able to
2010-04-27 20:30:40
Fx is not blocking this chance to anyone in Poland. But suddently everyone else is blocking they way to enter ESWC qualification tournament. Who is really egoistic then?
Post edited 2010-04-27 21:07:30
Post edited 2010-04-27 21:07:30
2010-04-27 20:55:42
cool story sis
2010-04-27 21:08:09
Troll does what troll wantz
Take a look at #46 for example, it brings competitivity for the polish community, and makes sure the one who deserves the spot gets it.
And it's also a plus for FX if they win the qualifier since all expenses is paid.
gg
Post edited 2010-04-27 23:22:12
Take a look at #46 for example, it brings competitivity for the polish community, and makes sure the one who deserves the spot gets it.
And it's also a plus for FX if they win the qualifier since all expenses is paid.
gg
Post edited 2010-04-27 23:22:12
2010-04-27 23:19:39
I beg your pardon but I didnt read anything in the article about them not having expenses or anything paid via invite. Nor do I base my arguments on random people saying anything different.
You seem to have a thing for me, always replying to my comments. It's like having a kid with downs always following you around.
Now take that banana boat back to s. america and we can all be happy ok? :)
You seem to have a thing for me, always replying to my comments. It's like having a kid with downs always following you around.
Now take that banana boat back to s. america and we can all be happy ok? :)
2010-04-28 00:42:40
Stop trolling, i'm just handing you the facts, since you can't find out how to read properly before trolling.
2010-04-28 11:54:50
We are a Polish team and we have to appear on the most important domestic tournaments", team manager Adrian "Ziggy" Witkowski told the team's website. "We feel obliged to take part in them for our fans, the media and also teams' sponsors.
Sounds like a bunch of faggotry and that's my opinion, not trolling or anything. Now leave me alone apeshit.
Sounds like a bunch of faggotry and that's my opinion, not trolling or anything. Now leave me alone apeshit.
2010-04-28 12:23:31
If it was a swede who said that you wouldn't say it would be "faggotry" or call it egocentric or w/e your trolling includes.
Sounds like a bunch of faggotry and that's my opinion, not trolling or anything. Now leave me alone apeshit.
You, sir, are indeed trolling. Please.
Sounds like a bunch of faggotry and that's my opinion, not trolling or anything. Now leave me alone apeshit.
You, sir, are indeed trolling. Please.
2010-04-28 12:45:38
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
You dont know the term trolling it seems. It's not my primary intempt to provoke anyone.
If, say SK, would drop their invite just to play the national ESWC qual just for "fans and media" I'd also call that a stupid ass decision and egoistic, because it is.
I'm not sure wether you troll me or not, cus you're always off-topic and irrational like fuck. I don't even know why I reply to someone who's calling himself "badazz" and who is looking like the tiny little faggot he is.
get shit on stupid nerd
Post edited 2010-04-28 13:19:35
You dont know the term trolling it seems. It's not my primary intempt to provoke anyone.
If, say SK, would drop their invite just to play the national ESWC qual just for "fans and media" I'd also call that a stupid ass decision and egoistic, because it is.
I'm not sure wether you troll me or not, cus you're always off-topic and irrational like fuck. I don't even know why I reply to someone who's calling himself "badazz" and who is looking like the tiny little faggot he is.
get shit on stupid nerd
Post edited 2010-04-28 13:19:35
2010-04-28 13:18:16
once u realize he has "Illuminati" in his name u can already guess how intelligent he is ;D
2010-04-28 15:36:52
The main thing i compare with trolls is that they try so hard to insult other people over the internetz. No further content needed, just look at your posts above :)
- Maybe it's not your main objective, but the way you do it is so pathetic.
Post edited 2010-04-28 16:47:40
- Maybe it's not your main objective, but the way you do it is so pathetic.
Post edited 2010-04-28 16:47:40
2010-04-28 16:46:09
Nice going chap, making up your own definitions of an internet troll. I SHOULD'VE KNOWN WHAT YOU MEANT LOLOL
And no I dont try hard to insult anyone. If you feel offended by my harsh words it's too bad. It's not more than backfire from my part, you calling me a troll and all. :)
And no I dont try hard to insult anyone. If you feel offended by my harsh words it's too bad. It's not more than backfire from my part, you calling me a troll and all. :)
2010-04-28 17:34:33
what the hell is he supposed to do here in s. america, no thanks, You take care of him instead, Im busy already damn swede, dumping and sending away the problem another place, typical swede....
2010-04-28 14:42:26
:P
2010-04-28 15:07:27
what's the matter with south america?
2010-04-28 20:44:50
not stupid or egotistic.
It's in their best interest. Why would ANY team waste money if they can get a free trip.
It's in their best interest. Why would ANY team waste money if they can get a free trip.
2010-04-28 23:55:43
well they claim to want to help out the "polish community" with the guns are drawn thing(who knows if thats still going on(which all 5 members of fx happen to be apart of)) and then they take away the chance for another polish team to compete at an international event. makes no sense to me
2010-04-29 22:16:28
$$$. No point to waste money when they can have paid trip + paid expenses. The invite only gave them paid hotels.
A good organization is one which spends its money wisely, not necessarily has a lot of money.
Look at CGS. Tons of money and look where it got them. you think the top orgs spends tons of money when they can spend less? no. they save wherever possible.
A good organization is one which spends its money wisely, not necessarily has a lot of money.
Look at CGS. Tons of money and look where it got them. you think the top orgs spends tons of money when they can spend less? no. they save wherever possible.
2010-04-29 22:21:02
in my opinion fx have no enough money to pay for fly, accommodation etc. But they don't want to admit so they tell everybody about allegedly patriotic duty -,-
2010-04-27 19:58:58
Would be awesome if a team like Delta for example beat them and they fail to qualify.
2010-04-27 20:02:27
Unlike sponsors from teams like SK and fnatic, FX's sponsors maybe aren't giving money for international events but rather for domestic tournaments if they are based in Poland. So I guess the most important thing for the players under FX will be to always attend domestic tournaments and win them without a doubt :)
2010-04-27 20:05:45
BUDGET
Why they would spend money on trip that they would and will get for winning qualification tournament in Poland? What great invite is that anyway, when they have to cover expenses in order to get it. FFS, they didn't even receive money from last ESWC!
Sponsors has nothing... wait! They actually has something to say about it. They want to see players who they pay $$$ as often in competitions with media spotlight as they can, in country, outside country, anywhere, just as much as they can. They have opoturnity to attend more tourneys, by saving money. You call that decision stupid? Think again geniuses.
Post edited 2010-04-27 20:13:53
Why they would spend money on trip that they would and will get for winning qualification tournament in Poland? What great invite is that anyway, when they have to cover expenses in order to get it. FFS, they didn't even receive money from last ESWC!
Sponsors has nothing... wait! They actually has something to say about it. They want to see players who they pay $$$ as often in competitions with media spotlight as they can, in country, outside country, anywhere, just as much as they can. They have opoturnity to attend more tourneys, by saving money. You call that decision stupid? Think again geniuses.
Post edited 2010-04-27 20:13:53
2010-04-27 20:07:58
+1 mate, Why would they give a fuck about other polish teams?? When they can easilly whip their asses in the qualifiers and then won't have to pay shit.
2010-04-27 20:28:00
+1 $$$
2010-05-28 15:33:23
Seems like a pretty pathetic sponsor, but if they're low on cash i guess it's a wise decision.
2010-04-27 20:37:22
They're not low on cash. They've already been at a plethora events under the Fx name. Already more than they played under wicked or vitriolic.
Fx is putting in tons of money. it's just that - WHY should they waste money even though they can. That's what the CGS did and look where it got them.
Fx is putting in tons of money. it's just that - WHY should they waste money even though they can. That's what the CGS did and look where it got them.
2010-04-28 23:57:31
Ok, it looks like that:
If FX use the invite and go directly to the Finals they need to pay the plane to Paris themselves.
If they play the ESWC Poland (and prolly wins) they don't need to pay anything themselves and get local prizes.
It's all about cash I guess. Fx it is still (and will be for a long time I guess) poor orga and I think they rather like to spend that if-we-use-invite-plane-tickets-cash to attend other events than 'wasting' it now.
The FX sites tells they were planing to play the ESWC Poland from the beginning and (if the win) pass the slot to the ESWC Poland 2nd place team. They also stated that the ESWC Global orga said that it is possible. Later everything changes with the ESWC Poland rulesbook. Also sites tells that they were trying to get some understanding between ESWC Global <-> ESWC Poland <-> FX but it kinda fail.
ESWC Poland spokesman wrote at counter-strike.pl that they were trying to fix the arrangement and offers to "pay some part of the tickets cost" or "help finding a sponsor".
What really happens there only few people know.
Oh and the most important thing:
Do NOT blame players for anything related to this situation please.
If you want to to blame anyone go for orga, but imho they made a good decision.
Post edited 2010-04-27 20:43:21
If FX use the invite and go directly to the Finals they need to pay the plane to Paris themselves.
If they play the ESWC Poland (and prolly wins) they don't need to pay anything themselves and get local prizes.
It's all about cash I guess. Fx it is still (and will be for a long time I guess) poor orga and I think they rather like to spend that if-we-use-invite-plane-tickets-cash to attend other events than 'wasting' it now.
The FX sites tells they were planing to play the ESWC Poland from the beginning and (if the win) pass the slot to the ESWC Poland 2nd place team. They also stated that the ESWC Global orga said that it is possible. Later everything changes with the ESWC Poland rulesbook. Also sites tells that they were trying to get some understanding between ESWC Global <-> ESWC Poland <-> FX but it kinda fail.
ESWC Poland spokesman wrote at counter-strike.pl that they were trying to fix the arrangement and offers to "pay some part of the tickets cost" or "help finding a sponsor".
What really happens there only few people know.
Oh and the most important thing:
Do NOT blame players for anything related to this situation please.
If you want to to blame anyone go for orga, but imho they made a good decision.
Post edited 2010-04-27 20:43:21
2010-04-27 20:40:53
1. Accept invite
2. Pay for tickets
3. Win ESCW
4. Cash in prize money
5. ???
6. Profit
2. Pay for tickets
3. Win ESCW
4. Cash in prize money
5. ???
6. Profit
2010-04-27 20:58:50
they do like that bcoz eswc own they so much money and eswc didnt pay yet..
2010-04-27 21:04:57
Belonging ESWC now to different owners why should they pay anything to Fx?
2010-04-27 21:18:31
'cause they bought ESWC which were in debt .
2010-04-27 23:59:42
But these same debts were/are on behalf of another person.
2010-04-28 00:10:14
they didn't buy the person, they bought the rights to the company and the name. so they really should pay.
2010-04-28 23:59:02
Change 'person' in my previous message for 'company' from yours and we are at the same point. They bought most likely the brand and that does not make them responsable for the debts, in my opinion. Similar to what Nomad stated when news about the sale were posted:
www.hltv.org/?pageid=18&threadid=24959#r423575
Post edited 2010-04-29 00:11:59
www.hltv.org/?pageid=18&threadid=24959#r423575
Post edited 2010-04-29 00:11:59
2010-04-29 00:10:15
money, money, money
2010-04-27 21:15:26
it must be funny, in a rich mans world :^D
2010-05-28 15:36:27
i understand they want to promote polish CS, but wouldnt taking the spot, therefore allowing another Polish CS Team to play International CS do a lot more for the country. Sounds like a massive copout to me.
However, i think ESWC didnt think this through, they should of invited less teams but paid for their costs (just like winning).
I actually hope it backfires and another Polish CS Team goes, it would be good for their community after all.
However, i think ESWC didnt think this through, they should of invited less teams but paid for their costs (just like winning).
I actually hope it backfires and another Polish CS Team goes, it would be good for their community after all.
2010-04-27 21:21:36
Scrooge Fx! 3000zl = 700 euro. It's shit not money...
Post edited 2010-04-27 21:28:33
Post edited 2010-04-27 21:28:33
2010-04-27 21:27:58
A really fucking bad excuse if they actually are after the free trip tickets.
That would ruin the Polish scene more than promote it as it, in effect, would mean one Polish team less at ESWC.
That would ruin the Polish scene more than promote it as it, in effect, would mean one Polish team less at ESWC.
2010-04-27 21:45:53
they could have had 2 teams at eswc instead of one...
retards tbh.
retards tbh.
2010-04-27 22:17:43
..and pay for the tickets to paris instead of flying for free?
you're a retard i would say...
you're a retard i would say...
2010-04-27 23:15:04
No need to call anyone names just because you do not agree with a given user. Thank you.
2010-04-27 23:23:17
FX will have to play really good to get the 1st place at the qualifier, there are still some though teams that can beat them.
2010-04-27 22:23:31
I like this move, its shows the drive they have to win
2010-04-27 22:25:40
seems like they have pretty bad sponsors :/
Post edited 2010-04-27 22:57:49
Post edited 2010-04-27 22:57:49
2010-04-27 22:56:59
I can't actually understand people stating that this movement by Fx would hinder Poland to have two teams at ESWC.
Ok, Fx got the invite but if they can not afford the expenses that makes automatically one Polish team less, thus making it again the Qualifier winner the only team attending. Because if two spots are given out the 2nd again has to face the expenses problem which was the problem from the start, at least for Fx.
Ok, Fx got the invite but if they can not afford the expenses that makes automatically one Polish team less, thus making it again the Qualifier winner the only team attending. Because if two spots are given out the 2nd again has to face the expenses problem which was the problem from the start, at least for Fx.
2010-04-27 23:22:24
You can't be serious Jonathan... First of all they heve every right/reason in the world to makes such statemnt/decision.
But most of all they've won ESWC and didin't get paid. SO WHAT THERE ARE NEW OWNERS.
WHO SAIS THEY WILL PAY UP THIS TIME ?
For me this is total absurd. The same brand/logo just forgets about 100 000 or more $$$ because they are NEW owners. And that's it... One big BS for me.
In the small cs world that we have, this should never be. And You are just showing that HLTV is the bitch of the system... Instead of beiong true to the idea that if a team wins 100 000 $$$ they need to get this money..
If I was FX I would NEVER trust ESWC. SO for me this is another reason to make such decision.
Oh and BTW let the other PL team FINALLY step up and show that they CAN beat fx...
But most of all they've won ESWC and didin't get paid. SO WHAT THERE ARE NEW OWNERS.
WHO SAIS THEY WILL PAY UP THIS TIME ?
For me this is total absurd. The same brand/logo just forgets about 100 000 or more $$$ because they are NEW owners. And that's it... One big BS for me.
In the small cs world that we have, this should never be. And You are just showing that HLTV is the bitch of the system... Instead of beiong true to the idea that if a team wins 100 000 $$$ they need to get this money..
If I was FX I would NEVER trust ESWC. SO for me this is another reason to make such decision.
Oh and BTW let the other PL team FINALLY step up and show that they CAN beat fx...
2010-04-27 23:49:18
I am sorry to say this but it seems I am more serious than you are.
Of course everyone is free to make the statement they prefer but, as I stated in my previous message, it seems this is more about the expenses than to show up for the Polish community. I might be right or I might be wrong but if that is the case the statement had many alternatives to the original one (see #74 for one of these "alternatives").
ESWC new owners do what they consider best for their business. If they do not have to pay out for others why should they?
Regarding your doubt if they are going to pay out this time, seems that at least they learned the lesson:
www.hltv.org/news/3904-eswc-guarantees-prize-money
As for what HLTV (do you refer to HLTV.org?) is or not (according to you 'the bitch of the system') and mixing it with being true to the team having won their prizemoney I think you should sit back, take a deep breath and think again what nonsense you have just posted.
I do not think this is about trusting ESWC or not but about the expenses as I have said in my previous messages.
It is allright to think about a Polish team having a chance to beat Fx, but what about that same Polish team attending ESWC by the hand of Fx and face World top teams gathering in ESWC?
Of course everyone is free to make the statement they prefer but, as I stated in my previous message, it seems this is more about the expenses than to show up for the Polish community. I might be right or I might be wrong but if that is the case the statement had many alternatives to the original one (see #74 for one of these "alternatives").
ESWC new owners do what they consider best for their business. If they do not have to pay out for others why should they?
Regarding your doubt if they are going to pay out this time, seems that at least they learned the lesson:
www.hltv.org/news/3904-eswc-guarantees-prize-money
As for what HLTV (do you refer to HLTV.org?) is or not (according to you 'the bitch of the system') and mixing it with being true to the team having won their prizemoney I think you should sit back, take a deep breath and think again what nonsense you have just posted.
I do not think this is about trusting ESWC or not but about the expenses as I have said in my previous messages.
It is allright to think about a Polish team having a chance to beat Fx, but what about that same Polish team attending ESWC by the hand of Fx and face World top teams gathering in ESWC?
2010-04-28 00:07:53
Ok.
Still i think that fx not performing very well at the moment is a team to beat. In other words, if none PL team can come even close to winning at these Polish ESWC finals than they have nothing to lool for in Disneyland. Harsh, but True...
I like fx statement bacause they reveal the positive attitude od this team, regardless of Your accusation of 'hipocrisy' of the statement.
Last thing to say, I believe HLTV is the last remaining stronghold against such bad occurences as unpaid prizemoney.. There just isin't anytjong else there, except courtrooms.. Anyway, what strikes me as wrong is the whole HLTV acting like it's fine.. ( new owners guys, it's ok )
it makes me mad to see this acceptance and not even a sign of saying thats wrong.. ESWC should be a brand to never exist again. It's just shameful..
And so You can see that hipocrysy exist on Your part as well. In my book, You dont point out fingers if Your hands are dirty as well..
And dont feed me that BS that it's good for esport, or that there are new owners...
Still i think that fx not performing very well at the moment is a team to beat. In other words, if none PL team can come even close to winning at these Polish ESWC finals than they have nothing to lool for in Disneyland. Harsh, but True...
I like fx statement bacause they reveal the positive attitude od this team, regardless of Your accusation of 'hipocrisy' of the statement.
Last thing to say, I believe HLTV is the last remaining stronghold against such bad occurences as unpaid prizemoney.. There just isin't anytjong else there, except courtrooms.. Anyway, what strikes me as wrong is the whole HLTV acting like it's fine.. ( new owners guys, it's ok )
it makes me mad to see this acceptance and not even a sign of saying thats wrong.. ESWC should be a brand to never exist again. It's just shameful..
And so You can see that hipocrysy exist on Your part as well. In my book, You dont point out fingers if Your hands are dirty as well..
And dont feed me that BS that it's good for esport, or that there are new owners...
2010-04-28 02:07:17
First of all, please do not put words in my mouth.
Where did I say anything related to hypocrasy?
If you refer to my opinion about the statement more than hypocrite you should have considered the of use of 'partial' because not everything is clearly told to the community. Because if I had called them hypocrites I would have implied that they really care a damn about the Polish community, and we both know that that is not the case.
I do not know for sure what HLTV.org represents to you as a "stronghold" nor am I the right person you should talk about with regard to it, but bare in mind that this is a coverage site and that news either bad or good are published and that's it.
MIRAA, as a journalism student, would be able to explain to you better how news should be dealed with. As to me, I would say as much and clear information as possible and the less personal opinion possible too.
Also again, as said, I do not think that if a company is not responsable for pending prizemoney it should pay it anyway. If the new CPL is fake would you consider the former owners responsible because they sold the brand to them?
As for me being hypocrite because of being part of the site staff, you are wrong again. And I do not point my fingers at anyone but I wonder to myself about this just like anyone else in this thread.
And yes, I think it is good for esports if, as stated, ESWC learned the lesson with the new owners and it goes even better if the rest of the big events act the same.
Post edited 2010-04-28 02:49:50
Where did I say anything related to hypocrasy?
If you refer to my opinion about the statement more than hypocrite you should have considered the of use of 'partial' because not everything is clearly told to the community. Because if I had called them hypocrites I would have implied that they really care a damn about the Polish community, and we both know that that is not the case.
I do not know for sure what HLTV.org represents to you as a "stronghold" nor am I the right person you should talk about with regard to it, but bare in mind that this is a coverage site and that news either bad or good are published and that's it.
MIRAA, as a journalism student, would be able to explain to you better how news should be dealed with. As to me, I would say as much and clear information as possible and the less personal opinion possible too.
Also again, as said, I do not think that if a company is not responsable for pending prizemoney it should pay it anyway. If the new CPL is fake would you consider the former owners responsible because they sold the brand to them?
As for me being hypocrite because of being part of the site staff, you are wrong again. And I do not point my fingers at anyone but I wonder to myself about this just like anyone else in this thread.
And yes, I think it is good for esports if, as stated, ESWC learned the lesson with the new owners and it goes even better if the rest of the big events act the same.
Post edited 2010-04-28 02:49:50
2010-04-28 02:46:35
bad news is that we wont win anything as we play with them next week :B
2010-04-27 23:47:47
Do WemadeFOX will attend the ESWC so ?
2010-04-28 00:03:36
Up to ESWC according to the piece of news.
2010-04-28 00:16:57
smart .
2010-04-28 01:09:11
very noble of a team to do this, its good to support your own community as well as the world's
2010-04-28 02:05:36
LOL,
Why should FX accept invite, if that means, paying travel on own. For some other team, that will have travel paid from eswc ?
Haha, I wanna see WHO would pay travel for other team, joke.
If poland wants there second team, they should give money to FX for travel. And winner of qualification should pay on their own.
Other point is, playing qualification, should be little bit risky, poland has more good teams, but if they want to sucess on ESWC, they should win at least qualification in own country.
Smart move for many reasons.
Why should FX accept invite, if that means, paying travel on own. For some other team, that will have travel paid from eswc ?
Haha, I wanna see WHO would pay travel for other team, joke.
If poland wants there second team, they should give money to FX for travel. And winner of qualification should pay on their own.
Other point is, playing qualification, should be little bit risky, poland has more good teams, but if they want to sucess on ESWC, they should win at least qualification in own country.
Smart move for many reasons.
2010-04-28 02:06:36
SaD... but thy r also thinkin abt their profits :) :P
2010-04-28 03:12:06
I don't know what all this fuss is about.
Its just that they want a free trip to the Grand Finals and are pretty sure they can fight off the competition at home ground.
Thats it.
Its just that they want a free trip to the Grand Finals and are pretty sure they can fight off the competition at home ground.
Thats it.
2010-04-28 06:07:55
pls invite rambo's team they been doin good :D rly keen 2 see them in internatinal event i bet they cud beat some decent teams there
2010-04-28 07:21:38
xaxaa FX is wick. ESWC was going to send them invide if they was good past few mounths.
2010-04-28 10:10:51
that's pretty brave. ofc theyre by far favourites to win it but there always a small chance for guys like rulon/luq to stirr things up.
2010-04-28 10:24:21
bulk respect to FX lets hope for their sake its a choice they wont regret
2010-04-28 12:20:04
they will most likely qualify regardless so more money for them at the qualifier
2010-04-28 13:35:34
You guys aren't the smartest bunch :P, least the first few posts (didn't read it all). It's quite obvious that they feel that just accepting the invite for a free pass to ESWC seems a bit "up their own arses", so they would rather go through to fair process of qualifying with everyone else :)
2010-04-28 18:50:45
How does wanting to keep the invite, attend the qualifier and, if they win, pass the spot to the 2nd Polish team fit into your theory? ::)
2010-04-28 19:12:34
I like the idea. Would rather a team from poland beat them to get the spot to prove themselves instead of beatings a bunch of D rate teams, qualify for the tournament, and get 16-3'd.
Good Move
Good Move
2010-04-28 19:31:50
"We are a Polish team and we have to appear on the most important domestic tournaments", team manager Adrian "Ziggy" Witkowski told the team's website. "We feel obliged to take part in them for our fans, the media and also teams' sponsors"
Attempt #2 please :) - P.S - WANTING and actually doing... two different things.
Attempt #2 please :) - P.S - WANTING and actually doing... two different things.
2010-04-28 20:52:59
Yes, wanting and in the end not doing because you are not allowed to do so...two different things.
If you use the 'Reply' button the user, in this case me, will/would know you replied to him/her ;)
If you use the 'Reply' button the user, in this case me, will/would know you replied to him/her ;)
2010-04-28 21:54:36
CooL :D
2010-04-28 21:01:37
Good move from the polish <3 WMF GL
2010-04-28 23:10:23
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