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EG complain of illegal WMF defuse
Evil Geniuses have handed in a protest to the Arbalet Cup admins after WeMade FOX made an illegal defuse in their group match against UNiTED.
The match, which ended as a 15-15 draw, was enough to see EG out of the tournament as UNiTED placed above the Americans even though they had the same points.
In the fifth round as CT, Sun Ho "termi" Pyun of WeMade FOX defused the bomb on BS A through the box without seeing it, an action that usually results in round deductions for the team.
Should the admins decide to remove rounds from WeMade FOX, then the Asian giants drop to third in the group and UNiTED and EG move up to first and second, respectively.
Contacted by HLTV.org, the Arbalet Cup admins said they will meet tonight to rule on the matter. We are currently making a videoclip of the action in question, so stay tuned to our website for more info on this case.
haha whiners :P
2010-05-14 21:21:15
They are only following the rules, they are made for some reason, and there's no expections. But yes it isn't to pretty to do that, but seeing the fact that they may have lost the qualification with this defuse its reasonable. After all we are talking about money here!
Post edited 2010-05-14 21:24:41
Post edited 2010-05-14 21:24:41
2010-05-14 21:23:15
+1.using a bug
2010-05-14 21:28:44
1+
2010-05-14 22:16:08
FYI:
ESWC: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&ved=0CBIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eswc.com%2Frules%2Fen%2Fplayer%2FESWC2010_COUNTER-STRIKE_REGULATION_EN_1_0.pdf&ei=RI_tS6CFJJHgtgOu0eX6Dw&usg=AFQjCNEzFknyEFHagj-nQuJwAX87HM4GWQ&sig2=6JVD3y5B7oU5ScPzkD8qFg
"Defuse a bomb through a wall, a roof, or any other element of the map is forbidden."
WCG: http://www.wcg.com/6th/2010/games/rules_2010/WCG_2010_NC_CS_Rules_ver_1.0.pdf
"When defusing, the player must be able to see a part of the bomb. Defusing
through objects is not permitted. "
CEVO: http://www.cevo.com/index.php?page=div&id=299&func=rules#section_25.40
"It is illegal to fully defuse a bomb through any solid object. CEVO officials retain full discretion in determining if an illegal defuse occurred and how many rounds may be reversed (no more than three (3) rounds will be reversed for each illegal defuse) if needed. Multiple violations by a player and/or team may also result in a suspension and/or team termination (suspension lengths and team termination are up to the judgment of the officials)."
ESL: http://gamer.lk/index.php?topic=3630.0;wap2
"It is illegal to defuse the bomb without seeing a piece of it and/or masking the defusal sound by turning on your flashlight while defusing. A penalty of 3 rounds overturned to the other team will occur."
ESEA: http://esea.net/index.php?s=content&d=league_rules_cs
"Illegal Bomb Defuses - the bomb cannot be defused through solid objects and the defusing player must be able to see part of the bomb in order to legally defuse"
Lastly, Arbalet rulepacket:
"When defusing, the player must be able to see a part of the bomb. Defusing through
objects is not permitted."
ESWC: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&ved=0CBIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eswc.com%2Frules%2Fen%2Fplayer%2FESWC2010_COUNTER-STRIKE_REGULATION_EN_1_0.pdf&ei=RI_tS6CFJJHgtgOu0eX6Dw&usg=AFQjCNEzFknyEFHagj-nQuJwAX87HM4GWQ&sig2=6JVD3y5B7oU5ScPzkD8qFg
"Defuse a bomb through a wall, a roof, or any other element of the map is forbidden."
WCG: http://www.wcg.com/6th/2010/games/rules_2010/WCG_2010_NC_CS_Rules_ver_1.0.pdf
"When defusing, the player must be able to see a part of the bomb. Defusing
through objects is not permitted. "
CEVO: http://www.cevo.com/index.php?page=div&id=299&func=rules#section_25.40
"It is illegal to fully defuse a bomb through any solid object. CEVO officials retain full discretion in determining if an illegal defuse occurred and how many rounds may be reversed (no more than three (3) rounds will be reversed for each illegal defuse) if needed. Multiple violations by a player and/or team may also result in a suspension and/or team termination (suspension lengths and team termination are up to the judgment of the officials)."
ESL: http://gamer.lk/index.php?topic=3630.0;wap2
"It is illegal to defuse the bomb without seeing a piece of it and/or masking the defusal sound by turning on your flashlight while defusing. A penalty of 3 rounds overturned to the other team will occur."
ESEA: http://esea.net/index.php?s=content&d=league_rules_cs
"Illegal Bomb Defuses - the bomb cannot be defused through solid objects and the defusing player must be able to see part of the bomb in order to legally defuse"
Lastly, Arbalet rulepacket:
"When defusing, the player must be able to see a part of the bomb. Defusing through
objects is not permitted."
2010-05-14 22:29:25
Err, about the ESL...
http://gfx.esl-europe.net/gfx/media/masters/rulebook/Intel_Extreme_Masters_SeasonIV_Rulebook.pdf
Where do you see something about defusing without seeing the bomb being prohibited?
http://gfx.esl-europe.net/gfx/media/masters/rulebook/Intel_Extreme_Masters_SeasonIV_Rulebook.pdf
Where do you see something about defusing without seeing the bomb being prohibited?
2010-05-14 22:44:00
The ESL rulebook you're linking is the *GENERAL* rulebook for the entire Season IV - all games. It contains general regulations for behavior across all games, and does not reference specific instances in Counter-Strike, WoW, or Quake.
If you find the Counter-Strike specific rulebook, you will find what I quoted and linked above.
If you find the Counter-Strike specific rulebook, you will find what I quoted and linked above.
2010-05-14 22:53:16
lol, did you even read the table of contents?
Section 6: "Game Specific Rules Counter Strike 1.6".
Section 6.5: "Use of Bugs and Glitches"
Nowhere does it say anything about defusing without seeing the bomb being illegal.
Post edited 2010-05-14 22:59:24
Section 6: "Game Specific Rules Counter Strike 1.6".
Section 6.5: "Use of Bugs and Glitches"
Nowhere does it say anything about defusing without seeing the bomb being illegal.
Post edited 2010-05-14 22:59:24
2010-05-14 22:58:47
Did you even bother to check the link I posted above? I suppose it's possible it's outdated, but either way the rule still 100% applies in Extreme Masters competitions.
I guess after going to 5 different Extreme Masters tournaments over the past two years and speaking with multiple ESL admins about this in person, I'm clearly just making stuff up!
I guess after going to 5 different Extreme Masters tournaments over the past two years and speaking with multiple ESL admins about this in person, I'm clearly just making stuff up!
2010-05-14 23:01:41
So, now that we agree that you were wrong in post #256, could you actually find the rule on the ESL website? Because after going to 5 different Extreme Masters tournaments over the past two years and speaking with multiple ESL admins about this in person, one would think you could find it on their actual site instead of a random page called "gamer.lk".
2010-05-14 23:04:58
We don't agree that I'm wrong in post #256, and I'm not going to get into a forum war with you about what is now an obvious, standard rule in all major tournaments, including IEM, ESWC, and WCG.
We both know that I'm right, and I'm not going to be your Google monkey when it's so patently obvious that this is an illegal practice in all leagues :p.
We both know that I'm right, and I'm not going to be your Google monkey when it's so patently obvious that this is an illegal practice in all leagues :p.
2010-05-14 23:09:09
Yes but it's Arbalet Cup so the rules are different i guess, just let the admins decide what to do...
2010-05-14 23:13:02
In post #256 you said that I had linked to a general rulebook with nothing specific to CS 1.6. I then proceeded to show you how the rulebook I linked to DID contain a section specific to CS 1.6 (and to bugs and glitches in particular). How were you not wrong?
You're changing the subject. I was addressing your claim regarding the ESL, not the WCG etc. Maybe I'm wrong, but you have yet to show me one official document on the ESL site that would indicate that it's forbidden. The rules I link to mention nothing of the sort.
Post edited 2010-05-14 23:24:06
You're changing the subject. I was addressing your claim regarding the ESL, not the WCG etc. Maybe I'm wrong, but you have yet to show me one official document on the ESL site that would indicate that it's forbidden. The rules I link to mention nothing of the sort.
Post edited 2010-05-14 23:24:06
2010-05-14 23:23:44
You are quite possibly among the top-3 most anal people in the universe. The biggest tool list is pretty crowded but keep working on it and you'll make it too with time.
2010-05-14 23:50:56
if we 2 played chess, I wouldd kick you in the ass. Then in case you complained, you would be the whiner and people like YOU would defend ME.
2010-05-14 23:52:34
Its not about it had an impact on the game at all. Those guys are profesional and they know that theyre not able to do that. It is not permitted at all and he did it. Now he has to assume what he did. Thats it. It is writted everywhere , on every league and on every lan event.
2010-05-15 05:31:31
but would eg have looked otherwise even if they did win and proceed to the next round of matches? in question, you didn't see united brining this up and it was in their match vs wmf, eg didnt even play so they should butt out. i bet if you looked at every round played today you would find other things like this in other matches.
2010-05-15 00:11:32
considering that one round makes a difference on whether or not EG advances, they have every right to take it up to the admins over it.
Post edited 2010-05-14 21:34:21
Post edited 2010-05-14 21:34:21
2010-05-14 21:32:06
What about considering that it made no difference in the outcome of the round? It's just such a cheap way to go through that it's not even funny.
2010-05-14 22:13:47
it did affect the round: termi most likely would not have gone for the full defuse if he had not been hidden the way he was
Edit: I admit that it is sorta stupid the way this is working out, but if you and I were in that situation, I'm sure we'd be doing the same thing. A lot is on the line.
Post edited 2010-05-14 23:35:52
Edit: I admit that it is sorta stupid the way this is working out, but if you and I were in that situation, I'm sure we'd be doing the same thing. A lot is on the line.
Post edited 2010-05-14 23:35:52
2010-05-14 23:34:28
You have absolutely no idea what he would have done. You simply cannot tell.
And to answer the second part of your post, no I would not have looked through the demos of my own matches after they were all over, let alone the matches of OTHER TEAMS.
And to answer the second part of your post, no I would not have looked through the demos of my own matches after they were all over, let alone the matches of OTHER TEAMS.
2010-05-14 23:42:58
exactly, every situation that could possibly have occurred is merely speculation. you even agree with me with saying that you and I wouldn't know what termi would have done if he had legally defused it. therefore, this means that his illegal defuse had an impact on the round: something that is clearly stated as against the rules.
and in regards to your second point, you're not thinking about the big picture. EG is trying to win money, and that one round that is up for debate decided on whether or not they move on or if they go home. like I said, if that one round in that one game had an effect on whether or not you have a shot at $37,000, then they have every right to be angry and try to do something about it. You're telling me that if this happened to you, you would just give up and walk away w/o trying to object?
and in regards to your second point, you're not thinking about the big picture. EG is trying to win money, and that one round that is up for debate decided on whether or not they move on or if they go home. like I said, if that one round in that one game had an effect on whether or not you have a shot at $37,000, then they have every right to be angry and try to do something about it. You're telling me that if this happened to you, you would just give up and walk away w/o trying to object?
2010-05-15 01:54:04
wow EG
stop crying and take the loss like men
stop crying and take the loss like men
2010-05-14 21:21:58
+1
2010-05-14 21:25:08
-1 rules are rules end of topic.
2010-05-14 21:34:54
you're right but imo WMF can give more to the tournament than EG but rules are rules so no point blaming EG.
2010-05-14 21:42:16
yes maybe WMF can do more damage but it's really annoying when everyone is saying stop cryin' stop cryin'. They are fully entitled to send the protest.
Post edited 2010-05-14 22:07:30
Post edited 2010-05-14 22:07:30
2010-05-14 22:07:13
they just whan't money...
2010-05-14 22:38:48
dude , if that was you , you would do the same !
2010-05-14 22:45:59
your right :)
2010-05-14 21:38:52
as much as id love to see an American team move on...this is not the way to do it...just seems bitter to me.
2010-05-14 21:22:23
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ;-d
2010-05-14 21:22:57
STOP CRY !!!!!!!
2010-05-14 21:23:10
hahaha cs bug <3
2010-05-14 21:23:15
lol stupid americans they dont know how to lose :( its fail ! WMF gogogogo !
2010-05-14 21:23:31
Come back when Ukraine has a good team.
2010-05-14 21:45:00
Ukraine got one of top3 teams in the world so :))
2010-05-14 21:49:41
cool you finally got a team after 7 years that managed to win 2 events. The only two events ukraine has ever won
good for you.
good for you.
2010-05-14 21:51:44
so what, and what has USA done? maybe in the beta days you where somebodys. But thats because we didnt have the game yet LOL
2010-05-14 21:54:36
cool youre brazillian i dont think i need to say anymore man
2010-05-14 22:32:48
lol how can u blame him..? He just stated what is right? #113 speak about u americans being on top a lot of years ago but lets be honest.. The competion is much more hard today. And as the brazilian stated, USA havent won a big tournament for a looong time and especially in Europe.. So whats the fuzz about? :-)
2010-05-15 01:53:14
Who gives a damn about som coL winnig a tournament in times when HeatoN would kill an entire team on his own with the AK.. Just admit NaVi are totally rolling over everyone atm, stupid nationalistic Americans who just can't get over not having a top 10 (maybe top 15) team..
2010-05-14 22:56:37
Na'Vi anyone ? :D Most roflable comment today :D
2010-05-14 21:50:34
+1
2010-05-14 22:17:35
ololololol are you stupid?????????????? Na´vi completely dominated theyre group with 16-1 16-2 16-3
Dude you suck so bad omfg
Dude you suck so bad omfg
2010-05-14 22:19:57
NaVi is making all teams they play against look totally ridiculous. Get a brain and learn how to use it properly.
2010-05-14 22:54:01
trust me lurpiss knows a lot about such crooked defuses.
2010-05-14 21:23:38
its all about money bitches i would do the same if i had the chance to make 37$
2010-05-14 21:23:42
Yeah after the economic crisis, $37 is alot to people in Greece? :D
2010-05-14 21:44:06
ahhahahahahahahahahahahah nice one lmfao
2010-05-14 22:20:38
with $37 it will be nice to buy sth for your sister as a pleasure for her present to me
2010-05-15 00:05:57
With $500 I could buy your whole country, including your mother, sisters and your ancestors. :-)
2010-05-15 13:07:07
if my country and all these u described cost 500e then ur mother asshole it's free entrance for all the world
2010-05-16 00:18:12
Nice education you got in Greece. But as the world has noticed, the brightest men nowadays isn't from Greece.
$ = Dollar
€ = Euro, you know the currency your country fucked because you can't plan your economy properly?
$ = Dollar
€ = Euro, you know the currency your country fucked because you can't plan your economy properly?
2010-05-16 17:15:11
i fuck your mother , yes i donot have education cause countries like UK dont want greek people have good education..
wa have the most interesting history , open a book mister nothing
wa have the most interesting history , open a book mister nothing
2010-05-18 20:30:07
History is the past, but if it makes you feel better it's pretty impressive.
How can UK decide that your education should be shit? Fucking mug
How can UK decide that your education should be shit? Fucking mug
2010-05-18 21:06:17
politic has decide many things for ur country too.
if history is just past so why in the biggest universities of the world Greek filosophers are still been teached to students?
if that cant make u proud , i dont find a reason why countries like swe can be proud of them
if history is just past so why in the biggest universities of the world Greek filosophers are still been teached to students?
if that cant make u proud , i dont find a reason why countries like swe can be proud of them
2010-05-18 21:24:24
nice one :-D
2010-05-15 01:56:37
They have the right to cry so shut up
2010-05-14 21:24:08
as far as I know we are on a public website thats why we can give ur opinion idiot !
2010-05-14 21:25:16
Take it easy. Thank you.
2010-05-14 21:35:32
Take it easy. Thank you.
2010-05-14 21:35:23
Sometimes your replies make me think that u're either an android programmed by Nomad, or a man with nerves of steel (or should I say titanium? oO). I'd prolly ban people like a madman if I were you, instead of being so calm and polite. :D
2010-05-14 22:06:20
WOW it's amazing how EG _ALWAYS_ complains. Seriously, I have never seen a team complain as much. They also have absolutely no fair-play.
2010-05-14 21:24:28
omg EG noobs
2010-05-14 21:24:30
hahahaha here we go some american fanboys will shout here that this is perfectly normal, it's their right to complain, WMF shouldnt have done it, blablablablablablablaaaaaaaaaa...EG are really big whiners, i started to despise them after they refused to replay a round at IEM, when they won the round while fnatic (or mTw, i don't remember) players were freezing...
2010-05-14 21:24:37
It was mTw
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQhvVdQCcNo
But as I said in those days, rules are rules. Termi knew what he did when he defused through a box (if he did that)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQhvVdQCcNo
But as I said in those days, rules are rules. Termi knew what he did when he defused through a box (if he did that)
2010-05-14 21:29:39
No it's fnatic who lagged out vs EG (it was a 3v1 for fnatic as CT on train and lurppis killed the three lagged out players and refused to replay the round). The same thing happened to mTw but they lagged out vs FX (your video).
2010-05-14 21:31:21
ok rules are rules for this one, but what's the excuse for IEM?
"i'm sorry, in the rules there's nothing about freezes, we don't want to replay the game, it's not in the rules?"
my point is that their behavior is pathetic, just accept the defeat...
"i'm sorry, in the rules there's nothing about freezes, we don't want to replay the game, it's not in the rules?"
my point is that their behavior is pathetic, just accept the defeat...
2010-05-14 23:04:49
I did not deny that that was lame. But it has got nothing to do with this matter. At IEM it was the admin's fault that they did not force to repeat the match as it was not going that long. But that's just my opinion as there are unfortunately no rules on the IEM'S matter :-(
2010-05-14 23:13:41
yeah, totally agree with you.
i was just pointing the fact that EG's behavior is probably starting to piss off a lot of top clans in the world...i mean i don't think fnatic, mTw, etc. will accept to pracc with them/host them before a big event this summer, as they used to do the past few years.
they should really consider it, they're gonna be hated by all players around the world (except the kind of American fanboys who plays CS but doesn't even know if Morocco is a country or a sandwich)
i was just pointing the fact that EG's behavior is probably starting to piss off a lot of top clans in the world...i mean i don't think fnatic, mTw, etc. will accept to pracc with them/host them before a big event this summer, as they used to do the past few years.
they should really consider it, they're gonna be hated by all players around the world (except the kind of American fanboys who plays CS but doesn't even know if Morocco is a country or a sandwich)
2010-05-14 23:17:38
I understand your point and I certainly agree on that. My point is that you cannot rule out one missbehavior by another one. I absolutely disapprove EG's behavior at IEM.
These morons that use this thread as a platform for cauterizing their nationalism are despicable(no matter what nationality they are, going through the comments you can see that they are not only Americans, I recommend the thread "FX out after loss to fnatic ^^). But as you said they are not able to distinguish between a country or a sandwich; I, for myself, sit back and laugh at them because of their stupidity :-)
These morons that use this thread as a platform for cauterizing their nationalism are despicable(no matter what nationality they are, going through the comments you can see that they are not only Americans, I recommend the thread "FX out after loss to fnatic ^^). But as you said they are not able to distinguish between a country or a sandwich; I, for myself, sit back and laugh at them because of their stupidity :-)
2010-05-14 23:28:34
yeah mate =]
i don't know from where you are, but i really hope yer American (i really want to change my opinion about Americans =])
i don't know from where you are, but i really hope yer American (i really want to change my opinion about Americans =])
2010-05-15 11:50:43
+1 :x
2010-05-14 21:31:50
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
just when u thought they couldnt be any more pathetic
just when u thought they couldnt be any more pathetic
2010-05-14 21:24:47
LOL NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :( I love EG , but i love WeMadeFOX more :[[[
2010-05-14 21:24:55
i think its fair, because you have rules, if you dont follow the rules, what is the point then?
simple as that
IMO :)
simple as that
IMO :)
2010-05-14 21:25:14
what a losers
eg suck all time , just go home and the next time train
eg suck all time , just go home and the next time train
2010-05-14 21:25:30
stfu, it s definitely not your problem to solve
Post edited 2010-05-14 21:27:46
Post edited 2010-05-14 21:27:46
2010-05-14 21:27:34
Take it easy. Thank you.
2010-05-14 21:36:28
EG = NOOBS i hate them so much, rly sorry
2010-05-14 21:25:57
+1
me too
fucking losers
me too
fucking losers
2010-05-14 21:53:29
hahaha EG .. tell me how pathetic is that? :D
2010-05-14 21:26:08
You guys have to remember they are playing for a hell of alot of money and they flew thousands of miles to play in this tournament, if WMF did do something illegal it shouldnt be far-fetched for eg to bring it up, yeah it kinda seems whiney but i see it from their point, a prize pot of that defuse could POTENTIALLY stop eg from $13,000.
2010-05-14 21:26:12
What Goes Around, Comes Around ~ WCG07....
2010-05-14 21:26:54
anyone who sees this as "crying" is 100percent wrong. If other teams follow the rules and only defuse when they can see the bomb, then the team who breaks the rule are at fault.
thats my opinion on it :D And whats the actual rule state? does anyone know
thats my opinion on it :D And whats the actual rule state? does anyone know
2010-05-14 21:26:56
+1 and you should use the american flag, people will recognize you more on this site :D
2010-05-14 22:37:09
HAHA omg EG!! you can defuse like that! correct defuse!
2010-05-14 21:27:00
lol...you guys are ridiculous...
the rules say that a player can't defuse the bomb without seeing it, WMF didn't respected the rules, who knows if losing that round they would tie the match and go through? please, stop this "losers" "stop crying", they are just following rules
Post edited 2010-05-14 21:28:44
the rules say that a player can't defuse the bomb without seeing it, WMF didn't respected the rules, who knows if losing that round they would tie the match and go through? please, stop this "losers" "stop crying", they are just following rules
Post edited 2010-05-14 21:28:44
2010-05-14 21:27:48
Are you sure?...i have seen this in big tournaments before...lets see if it is legal in this one.
2010-05-14 21:31:48
Let them replay the match, WMF will win anyway. NO 2 ties for EG against wmf
2010-05-14 21:29:37
1) The team is playing for $37,000.
2) In this case, only 1 round makes the difference between WMF moving on or being eliminated.
3) WMF cheated to get that 1 round by defusing through a box. Simple as that.
4) So how is EG wrong for pointing out that WMF cheated to get the 1 round that will make all the difference?
2) In this case, only 1 round makes the difference between WMF moving on or being eliminated.
3) WMF cheated to get that 1 round by defusing through a box. Simple as that.
4) So how is EG wrong for pointing out that WMF cheated to get the 1 round that will make all the difference?
2010-05-14 21:29:40
they aren't wrong mr garfield each one of those h8rs above would do the same believe me.
2010-05-14 21:31:38
right ..this is the fking rule ..u dont follow the fking rule ..what cs gonna be ? everyone cheat on lan ?
2010-05-14 21:32:41
said the manager of team EG but yeah you're right bro
2010-05-14 21:37:03
Its first time I post something like this but I just have to:
+1
+1
2010-05-14 22:06:59
+1
2010-05-14 22:46:31
You all are so funny saying they are crying/whinning. Same goes to ESL matches. Rules are rules...
2010-05-14 21:30:36
wow .who the fk said that stupid EG? rules are rules ..rules says we cant play with cheat ..if i play lan with u ..i am gonna use wallhack ,,aimbot ..and u lose ..are u gonna complaning it ? wtf ?
2010-05-14 21:30:44
nice EG can't loose that easy !! who knows maybe they could do something if they move up to second ....
2010-05-14 21:31:06
How is that pathetic? If you flew all the way from the US to Europe and were eliminated from a tournament you'd do everything to stay in the competition. Doesn't really matter if your protest is pathetic or not, you really don't have anything to lose.
2010-05-14 21:31:52
They don't seem to realise that they have nothing to say in the second group stage, they will get their asses pwnd over there
2010-05-14 21:33:03
Doesn't change anything. Nothing whiney about their behaviour if termi defused through that box..
2010-05-14 21:37:56
They've beat top teams several times, why wouldnt they stand a chance?
2010-05-14 21:38:22
1. how would you know that already?
2. that has nothing to do with this illegal defuse
but still...i haven't seen the defuse so i don't have my opinion yet, just answered to you 'cause you lacked logic
2. that has nothing to do with this illegal defuse
but still...i haven't seen the defuse so i don't have my opinion yet, just answered to you 'cause you lacked logic
2010-05-14 21:48:55
they got 3rd/4th place on the last arbalet cup in europe.
2010-05-14 22:40:02
hahahaha good news wmf deserve it after what they did to mym back in 2007
2010-05-14 21:32:27
so doing what pubmasters did in nuke (defusing from lower site the bomb which has been planted on upper) is illegal?
haha if thats true, rules are crap.
EG were more than lucky to get 15 rounds (won both pistols and were lucky that peri wasnt playing good).
haha if thats true, rules are crap.
EG were more than lucky to get 15 rounds (won both pistols and were lucky that peri wasnt playing good).
2010-05-14 21:33:12
Agree...it should be allowed.
2010-05-14 21:35:27
upload video asap :D
2010-05-14 21:34:31
to deduct rounds after all the games have been played is very wrong, since everyone is playing 30 rounds there might be couple of rounds WMF gave up after knowing they have qualified, replay the game please
2010-05-14 21:35:29
LOL are you serious? the match score was 15-15. WMF didn't give them any rounds. you sir, are a complete fail.
2010-05-14 22:39:33
wmf needed to tie or win to advance.
2010-05-15 05:51:06
If you lose, whine!
I wouldn't call it the American way of dealing with things. It's more like karma lol. WMF did the same thing to cbteam. WCG'07 sounds familiar? lol
In any case, it doesn't matter if they advance or not because I doubt they can win at all. Even if they miraculously win this tournament, no one will like them anyway. Except the EG fanbois of course. :D
I wouldn't call it the American way of dealing with things. It's more like karma lol. WMF did the same thing to cbteam. WCG'07 sounds familiar? lol
In any case, it doesn't matter if they advance or not because I doubt they can win at all. Even if they miraculously win this tournament, no one will like them anyway. Except the EG fanbois of course. :D
2010-05-14 21:36:05
this would be epic if the rounds will be removed
I remember like 3 times when WMF passed further by handing a protest
I remember like 3 times when WMF passed further by handing a protest
2010-05-14 21:36:43
leave it to the americans to memorize the rules before a tournament...nerds
2010-05-14 21:38:40
memorize tournament rules? that rule is in every single league ever created since the start of cs. incoming dramaqueen
2010-05-14 22:40:52
stop cry EG!!! loosers Americans and looser usa
2010-05-14 21:39:50
wouldnt you?
2010-05-14 21:40:45
Now EG go to 8 teams qualified for finals and wemadefox out? :((((
2010-05-14 21:40:45
1.EG
2.UNiTED
3.WMF
4.SK
????
2.UNiTED
3.WMF
4.SK
????
2010-05-14 21:41:12
what map were they playin
2010-05-14 21:41:22
nuke
2010-05-14 21:41:44
which player defused illegally? jw
2010-05-14 21:41:45
"In the fifth round as CT, Sun Ho "termi" Pyun of WeMade FOX defused the bomb on BS A through the box without seeing it"
2010-05-14 21:42:30
Rules are made to be followed.
And if a rule is broken, it gets consequences.
Simple as that.
And if a rule is broken, it gets consequences.
Simple as that.
2010-05-14 21:42:46
Rules are made for a reason. After saying that, i think EG doesnt have the right to complain about a used bug when it wasnt even used against them. If anyone should bring it up, it would be UNiTED, not EG. So, EG are a bunch of cry babies without any doubt ;)
2010-05-14 21:42:47
EG have every right to complain considering it has everything to do with their destination in this tournament.
2010-05-14 21:47:16
They can cry over it, sure. UNiTED is the only team who have legit right to do so. and they didnt so.
2010-05-14 21:52:26
not necessarily, even if the match was between team 1 and team 2, a third team can make a complaint especially if the outcome directly affects them.
2010-05-14 21:56:55
Just pathetic.
2010-05-14 22:01:42
What? So how about two Swedish teams who are in the same position as WMF & UNITED were, one team winning 15-14, then the 15 one blatantly threw the round by just making a human tower jumping around, you think that that would have nothing to do with the team coming third? Wake up.
Fact is, if United had of lost out, they _WOULD_ have complained, have no illusions there.
Fact is, if United had of lost out, they _WOULD_ have complained, have no illusions there.
2010-05-14 22:08:21
If they did that, why would you protest? If some team blatantly gives a round away, what would admins do? didnt get your point seriously. and united came 2nd in the group because of that tie. They could become first if they protested, but they didnt ;)
Im not saying EG COULDNT protest over it, im saying they shouldnt cause it really makes them look like total losers.
Im not saying EG COULDNT protest over it, im saying they shouldnt cause it really makes them look like total losers.
2010-05-14 22:14:41
Coming first or second gives absolutely no advantage in this format.
What I was talking about before could be seen as a case of match-fixing, which, with money involved is seen as extremely serious indeed, and I'd be surprised if you think there's no problem with it.
What I was talking about before could be seen as a case of match-fixing, which, with money involved is seen as extremely serious indeed, and I'd be surprised if you think there's no problem with it.
2010-05-14 22:29:19
It does advantage. If you place first you play against two second places from groups. If you play second, you play against two first places. Kinda different, ey? ;)
Of course when it comes to money, its understandable to use this in your advantage, but when its about somethin that wasnt even used against your team, its lame, its just lame. CheapTimes!
Of course when it comes to money, its understandable to use this in your advantage, but when its about somethin that wasnt even used against your team, its lame, its just lame. CheapTimes!
2010-05-14 22:43:13
Yes, plz decide what EG "should" do or what EG "should not" do ;)
2010-05-14 22:48:55
Good move from EG! :)
2010-05-14 21:43:20
h4h4h4 +++ :D EG FTW!!!
2010-05-14 21:43:45
Is everyone allowed to file a complaint after a match ? Shouldn't it be only for United and EG because they were playing ?
Can I protest about any match ?
I understand a situation when United protest about that action but why anyone not participating in this match ?
Post edited 2010-05-14 21:46:02
Can I protest about any match ?
I understand a situation when United protest about that action but why anyone not participating in this match ?
Post edited 2010-05-14 21:46:02
2010-05-14 21:44:43
what #79 said.1.1
eg pretty ok in the us, but vs rest of the world. not a chance. and whining to victory, way to go
eg pretty ok in the us, but vs rest of the world. not a chance. and whining to victory, way to go
2010-05-14 21:44:47
EG would get through the groups if someone won in that match, they're just following the rules.
2010-05-14 21:44:57
It will be interesting to see if the defuse through the box actually made a difference to the result of the round - i.e. the united player spamming in the wrong place on hearing the defuse sound. In this case the admins are obviously going to rule against WMF.
On the flip side, if you defused without seeing the bomb, yet all opposition members were dead, would you still see the admins enforce the rules to the letter?
Post edited 2010-05-14 21:52:22
On the flip side, if you defused without seeing the bomb, yet all opposition members were dead, would you still see the admins enforce the rules to the letter?
Post edited 2010-05-14 21:52:22
2010-05-14 21:47:02
Can you write me that point in rules that say that defuses like that are illegal? (that ownage)
2010-05-14 21:48:19
ESWC: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&ved=0CBIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eswc.com%2Frules%2Fen%2Fplayer%2FESWC2010_COUNTER-STRIKE_REGULATION_EN_1_0.pdf&ei=RI_tS6CFJJHgtgOu0eX6Dw&usg=AFQjCNEzFknyEFHagj-nQuJwAX87HM4GWQ&sig2=6JVD3y5B7oU5ScPzkD8qFg
"Defuse a bomb through a wall, a roof, or any other element of the map is forbidden."
WCG: http://www.wcg.com/6th/2010/games/rules_2010/WCG_2010_NC_CS_Rules_ver_1.0.pdf
"When defusing, the player must be able to see a part of the bomb. Defusing
through objects is not permitted. "
CEVO: http://www.cevo.com/index.php?page=div&id=299&func=rules#section_25.40
"It is illegal to fully defuse a bomb through any solid object. CEVO officials retain full discretion in determining if an illegal defuse occurred and how many rounds may be reversed (no more than three (3) rounds will be reversed for each illegal defuse) if needed. Multiple violations by a player and/or team may also result in a suspension and/or team termination (suspension lengths and team termination are up to the judgment of the officials)."
ESL: http://gamer.lk/index.php?topic=3630.0;wap2
"It is illegal to defuse the bomb without seeing a piece of it and/or masking the defusal sound by turning on your flashlight while defusing. A penalty of 3 rounds overturned to the other team will occur."
ESEA: http://esea.net/index.php?s=content&d=league_rules_cs
"Illegal Bomb Defuses - the bomb cannot be defused through solid objects and the defusing player must be able to see part of the bomb in order to legally defuse"
Lastly, Arbalet rulepacket:
"When defusing, the player must be able to see a part of the bomb. Defusing through
objects is not permitted."
"Defuse a bomb through a wall, a roof, or any other element of the map is forbidden."
WCG: http://www.wcg.com/6th/2010/games/rules_2010/WCG_2010_NC_CS_Rules_ver_1.0.pdf
"When defusing, the player must be able to see a part of the bomb. Defusing
through objects is not permitted. "
CEVO: http://www.cevo.com/index.php?page=div&id=299&func=rules#section_25.40
"It is illegal to fully defuse a bomb through any solid object. CEVO officials retain full discretion in determining if an illegal defuse occurred and how many rounds may be reversed (no more than three (3) rounds will be reversed for each illegal defuse) if needed. Multiple violations by a player and/or team may also result in a suspension and/or team termination (suspension lengths and team termination are up to the judgment of the officials)."
ESL: http://gamer.lk/index.php?topic=3630.0;wap2
"It is illegal to defuse the bomb without seeing a piece of it and/or masking the defusal sound by turning on your flashlight while defusing. A penalty of 3 rounds overturned to the other team will occur."
ESEA: http://esea.net/index.php?s=content&d=league_rules_cs
"Illegal Bomb Defuses - the bomb cannot be defused through solid objects and the defusing player must be able to see part of the bomb in order to legally defuse"
Lastly, Arbalet rulepacket:
"When defusing, the player must be able to see a part of the bomb. Defusing through
objects is not permitted."
2010-05-14 22:27:13
Love this, everyteam makes protest everytime nevertheless. I think people should have made templates beforehand so they could just put clansname there to post whinepost to hltv.org "omgf, these xxx are so noobwhiners..." I think sk/fnatic/FX/WMF... would have made same thing. Lets hope justice will be made(thats the reason there are referees, you should not ask clans their opinions as they asked at fnatic vs eg-situation, there is still lots of money in line)
2010-05-14 21:50:28
they heard, I remember that round, romjke tried to delude but termi kept defusing.
if was this round :)
Post edited 2010-05-14 21:52:33
if was this round :)
Post edited 2010-05-14 21:52:33
2010-05-14 21:50:33
Nice. One after-match-winners against another. Lots of people remember both hostile at wcg and wmf at dts-cup. But I hope for wmf, mostly because don't want to sell peri =)
2010-05-14 21:50:41
EG aren't protesting about their own game though; they're protesting about the UNiTED vs WMF game. Talk about desperate.
2010-05-14 21:51:20
Poor americans noskill.
WMF > EG. That's all.
WMF > EG. That's all.
2010-05-14 21:52:06
Well I didn't see the match, but if it happened when EG players were covering the bomb, or the WMF player wouldn't be hurry enough of he hasn't abused it, then the protest is just fine. Otherwise, if the WMF players killed all the EG's on the firs place, they should leave it.
2010-05-14 21:52:44
http://ru.justin.tv/slamje/b/263680906
here you can watch the defuse. from 4:10.
here you can watch the defuse. from 4:10.
2010-05-14 21:52:46
thank you so much for the video you should message an admin on this site to show them so they can post it up because they looking for a video. he clearly didn't see any part of the bomb and the ruling should favor for EG.
P.S. if your are russian like me, the commentator is really funny. I LOL'd at how he reacted to the defuse.
P.S. if your are russian like me, the commentator is really funny. I LOL'd at how he reacted to the defuse.
2010-05-14 22:48:57
LOL... no seriously, i now understand why there are hundreds of quotes about americans
firstly... EG were lucky as sh*t to play 15:15 vs wmf, peri play BAD, they could be thankful not to lose by a kilometer...
secondly... sk lost to them 24:6 or smth, this will never happen again, they must have had the worst game
lastly... wmf DESERVE to go on, while EG were just bad
firstly... EG were lucky as sh*t to play 15:15 vs wmf, peri play BAD, they could be thankful not to lose by a kilometer...
secondly... sk lost to them 24:6 or smth, this will never happen again, they must have had the worst game
lastly... wmf DESERVE to go on, while EG were just bad
2010-05-14 21:55:34
Wonder how many games of their group they looked through hoping for something like this to give them a chance after they weren't good enough to get through on their own.
The round they are talking about UNiTED didn't even look to see if he was defusing anyway, so he could have been anywhere and still got it. Hope they don't remove any rounds since it didn't even make a difference.
The round they are talking about UNiTED didn't even look to see if he was defusing anyway, so he could have been anywhere and still got it. Hope they don't remove any rounds since it didn't even make a difference.
2010-05-14 21:55:46
Why are they complaining? It was not their match!
They just want to be in final. Shame on them.
If a team can complain, it's UNiTED, not EG.
They just want to be in final. Shame on them.
If a team can complain, it's UNiTED, not EG.
2010-05-14 21:56:28
i guess some1 else was also trying the same [i think robban it was exactly the same..] against eg.......so if it is not allowed and eg wants it removed y dint they complain at that time..??[coz they were winning?]
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2010-05-14 21:57:14
Eg is the most lame team in the world what i know, so fcking booring and lame....
2010-05-14 21:57:44
i like how ppl are calling EG bad and whiners, clearly most of you kids are idiotic. Defusing through a box is an illegal action therefore there should be a penalty.
2010-05-14 21:57:47
If that's the ruling who can blame them, but why the hell is defusing through a wall illegal?
2010-05-14 21:58:04
ok just saw the clip of that... *laughs* if wmf are out coz of that, the whole cs scene is pretty fucked up. That was something we see too often
2010-05-14 21:58:46
it wasn't EG vs WMF but UNiTED vs WMF on de_Inf, wait and see what admins will say !
I saw the action (UNiTED vs WMF) but I didn't know that defusing without seeing the Bomb is an Illegal defuse!
Post edited 2010-05-14 21:59:59
I saw the action (UNiTED vs WMF) but I didn't know that defusing without seeing the Bomb is an Illegal defuse!
Post edited 2010-05-14 21:59:59
2010-05-14 21:59:36
just saw the defuse #119's comment its more like outgamed rather then illegal defuse, termi read the situation pretty well and did what was needed
2010-05-14 22:00:53
"6. During the defuza ", the player must see at least part miniruemoy bomb. "Defuz" through objects - is prohibited; "
From the Arbalet Site
From the Arbalet Site
2010-05-14 22:01:01
From the video clip it looks like there was no peak to check the defuse, romjke just assumed it was a fake. If that is the case (couldn't be 100% as it doesn't stick with romjke through the defuse), I can understand why united didn't protest themselves, as the position of the ct made no difference, and they wouldn't have been aware of it.
2010-05-14 22:02:15
And I'm sorry. Someone posted the action...
But ROMjKE didn't shoot him, so if it was not a wall defuse he will have defuse and win the round too.
But ROMjKE didn't shoot him, so if it was not a wall defuse he will have defuse and win the round too.
2010-05-14 22:02:58
Each time a protest is filled the same 'whiners' vs 'they are right' comments. Just see the ENC ones some time back.
Things like this protest will always happen if money is at stake. And we are talking about quite some money.
If EG think they can protest obviously they will do it. Even if it is not their match but it affected them in the end. As usual admins will decide.
As for the situation, if the defuse sound was not blocked when defusing through the box I think the defuse is legit. But again, admins will decide and that's it.
I would like to ask everyone to calm down and respect what others state even if you do not agree with a given comment.
If not, I will stop being nice and be awesome instead ;P
Post edited 2010-05-14 22:06:59
Things like this protest will always happen if money is at stake. And we are talking about quite some money.
If EG think they can protest obviously they will do it. Even if it is not their match but it affected them in the end. As usual admins will decide.
As for the situation, if the defuse sound was not blocked when defusing through the box I think the defuse is legit. But again, admins will decide and that's it.
I would like to ask everyone to calm down and respect what others state even if you do not agree with a given comment.
If not, I will stop being nice and be awesome instead ;P
Post edited 2010-05-14 22:06:59
2010-05-14 22:06:01
see my post below
2010-05-14 22:07:43
I hope termi recorded a POV to use it in his defense ;)
If the rules state what your "translation" says, well, then it was not allowed.
If the rules state what your "translation" says, well, then it was not allowed.
2010-05-14 22:12:24
Why does that matter? You will be able to see it in the HLTV and its clear that he cant see the bomb in the video clip
http://ru.justin.tv/slamje/b/263680906
4:10
Post edited 2010-05-14 22:30:43
http://ru.justin.tv/slamje/b/263680906
4:10
Post edited 2010-05-14 22:30:43
2010-05-14 22:30:15
Obviously the POV thing was a joke ::)
Already seen the video ;)
Post edited 2010-05-14 22:42:09
Already seen the video ;)
Post edited 2010-05-14 22:42:09
2010-05-14 22:41:54
This should be stickied and topic locked. Its not like whining would be some american speciality. I can atleast remeber aequita whining about "bomb they could not defuse" against powergaming, ENC-mathches that was replayed because of wrong net_graphs and LOTS of complaints about bugflashes for almost every team.
2010-05-14 22:10:13
I have to agree with you. It happens when money and reputation are at stake.
Such is life.
Such is life.
2010-05-14 22:14:26
It is already clear by watching the justin.tv link someone above posted that it was an illegal defuse and by the rules of Arbalet Cup is deemed illegal therefore EG should rightfully go through.
"6. During the defuza ", the player must see at least part miniruemoy bomb. "Defuz" through objects - is prohibited;"
Google translate =/
It is not cheap, termi cheated and clearly could not see the bomb, RobbaN tried to do the same thing on the last round vs EG before they rage quit.
Post edited 2010-05-14 22:08:19
"6. During the defuza ", the player must see at least part miniruemoy bomb. "Defuz" through objects - is prohibited;"
Google translate =/
It is not cheap, termi cheated and clearly could not see the bomb, RobbaN tried to do the same thing on the last round vs EG before they rage quit.
Post edited 2010-05-14 22:08:19
2010-05-14 22:06:58
where do you get this from pls?
btw.. am not on a side of one orhň the other, just is kinda funny to have rules in russian language on such tournament.
:rolling on the floor laughing:
btw.. am not on a side of one orhň the other, just is kinda funny to have rules in russian language on such tournament.
:rolling on the floor laughing:
2010-05-14 22:16:59
but if i remember correctly the UNiTED guys didn't even peek?, so the outcome would've been the same anyways?
Post edited 2010-05-14 22:07:36
Post edited 2010-05-14 22:07:36
2010-05-14 22:07:12
Ok if it was in EG vs. WMF but complaining in a match where you don´t play is just lame.
Besides, UNiTED probably heard him defuse so they knew he was doing that.
-1 EG
Besides, UNiTED probably heard him defuse so they knew he was doing that.
-1 EG
2010-05-14 22:08:29
why would united complain? they advance anyway, im sure they didnt and still dont care what happens next
2010-05-14 22:14:28
i havent seen the clip yet but if it is a diffuse through a solid object, then its illegal and they have a right to complain. just like jonathan just said, when your playing with money, you do what it takes to advance. im sure WMF knew it was illegal to do, but they did it to win.
2010-05-14 22:08:31
He should have defused the bomb legally so then EG wouldn't even have the right to object. Termi has been playing this game for years and knows what is legal and what is illegal to do (even though some rules do change from tournament to tournament). Some basic things like defusing through a box is such a commonly known thing as being illegal he should have known better. Now if EG had done the same thing and WMF was disputing the same thing I would still be saying that WMF has the right to move on and not EG (in that scenario).
2010-05-14 22:10:23
If you can't defuse like that, you can't plant the bomb there :)
Stupid americans!
Stupid americans!
2010-05-14 22:15:27
that doesnt even make sense lol
2010-05-14 22:17:14
dude its like saying u can't plant the bomb on the upper bomb site on nuke....LAME....+on the video link it was only termi's pov how can u say romkjke dint peek...even slightly we need rom's pov i think....
2010-05-14 22:26:42
"+on the video link it was only termi's pov how can u say romkjke dint peek...even slightly we need rom's pov i think...."
i watched the match, and if i remember correctly, he didnt peek.. just shot the wall to intimidate termi.. (if this was for me..)
i watched the match, and if i remember correctly, he didnt peek.. just shot the wall to intimidate termi.. (if this was for me..)
2010-05-14 22:42:52
and i think if he shot on the wall and termi was in open he wud probably[90% of the times] will get intimedated...but he knew he cant be shot thr and was safe so dint act....so am i clear??
2010-05-14 22:58:19
personally.. i don't think he would've stopped the defuse, cuz tbh that was the only thing he could do to win that situation, but sure you are right.. it gives some extra comfort.
+ i think he trusted the fact that both of united guys were low on hp
+ i think he trusted the fact that both of united guys were low on hp
2010-05-14 23:10:46
u gotta admit he used something that isnt allowed in his favor...thats cheating...
also how will he know that both guyz were on low hp??just curious..:D
also how will he know that both guyz were on low hp??just curious..:D
2010-05-14 23:41:34
yea, i wasnt denying the fact that he did something bad, i just pointed out that the outcome would've probably been the same..
and termi was the one spraying that other terrorist, and what comes for the 2nd guys hp, dunno rly.. maybe he just felt that his mates did what they do best (hit the target, lol..)
Post edited 2010-05-15 00:01:59
and termi was the one spraying that other terrorist, and what comes for the 2nd guys hp, dunno rly.. maybe he just felt that his mates did what they do best (hit the target, lol..)
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2010-05-14 23:58:12
The e-sport world in his real appearance.
Americans and dignity, a beautiful story.
Americans and dignity, a beautiful story.
2010-05-14 22:16:31
ANY1 GOT FOOTAGE OF IT?
2010-05-14 22:18:43
Anyone defending wmf is an absolute hypocrite, they are known to pull random disputes and replay maps over and over. Don't enjoy eg for this, but they had it coming.
2010-05-14 22:19:17
it doesn't matter if you guys talk about EG packing and stuff and going home and whining. WMF illegally defused based on what i understand and the decision is up to the admins anyways.
2010-05-14 22:19:49
From the video clip it looks like there was no peak to check the defuse, romjke just assumed it was a fake. If that is the case (couldn't be 100% as it doesn't stick with romjke through the defuse), I can understand why united didn't protest themselves, as the position of the ct made no difference, and they wouldn't have been aware of it.
i agree with mahlit. i mean clearly when termi was defusing, that guy didnt even peek. even if he were to defuse in an open spot, he would have still got the round.
i agree with mahlit. i mean clearly when termi was defusing, that guy didnt even peek. even if he were to defuse in an open spot, he would have still got the round.
2010-05-14 22:19:53
Yes, the question isn't if it's illegal or not but: Does it change anything if termi make a legal defuse?
2010-05-14 22:22:16
"When defusing, the player must be able to see a part of the bomb. Defusing through objects is not permitted."
is the rule
Yes it does make a difference, it means EG goes through to the next round :)
is the rule
Yes it does make a difference, it means EG goes through to the next round :)
2010-05-14 22:23:41
And be crushed by Na'Vi and UNiTED.
And back home.
And back home.
2010-05-14 22:24:31
well i guess it does coz from the vedio nothing is clear...seriously chk it...at the termi started the diffuse[donno if it made a sound or not i think it did] rom spammed a little[chk out the pillar or wateva u call it],maybe peeked but dint see anything....thats y dint chk it out completely....but m only guessing.....everything will be clear after we see rom's pov..
2010-05-14 22:36:51
WMF totally had this coming, in so many tournaments they've got cheap **** like this, nice to see someone else do it to them instead.
2010-05-14 22:20:57
This is a epic flamewar xD
2010-05-14 22:21:33
WMF will do the same and worst...
remember... kf3... get cancer and die...?
after WMF cry about bjump and solo di it on that game, all game...
WMF won after that...
WMF sucks...
go EG !!! lurppis ftw
remember... kf3... get cancer and die...?
after WMF cry about bjump and solo di it on that game, all game...
WMF won after that...
WMF sucks...
go EG !!! lurppis ftw
2010-05-14 22:22:25
I still can't believe it, EG bunch of noobs. They play the boringest cs ever, pussy style 100%. And they protest against a 'bug' defuse that wasn't even performed in a match against them. Pathetic. Learn how to lose... seriously, just, go home EG
2010-05-14 22:27:39
I saw the game, and WMF would have lost the round for sure if he didn't bug the defuse.
So I guess EG has got a point...
So I guess EG has got a point...
2010-05-14 22:28:41
did u really watch? cuz after termi started to defuse they thought it was a fake and didnt even peek.
but it was a defuse through the bomb which makes it illegal
so its
THEY DIDNT PEEK IT WOULDNT AFFECT THE ROUND ANYWAY VS RULE IS RULE, EVEN THOUGH THEY DIDNT PEEK IT WAS AN ILLEGAL DEFUSE
imo i dont really care i guess its up to the admins.
but it was a defuse through the bomb which makes it illegal
so its
THEY DIDNT PEEK IT WOULDNT AFFECT THE ROUND ANYWAY VS RULE IS RULE, EVEN THOUGH THEY DIDNT PEEK IT WAS AN ILLEGAL DEFUSE
imo i dont really care i guess its up to the admins.
2010-05-14 23:03:40
If there are rulls, they are to be followed, if some don't they need to be "punished".
So they have all the right to complain.
You like to call them whinners, but if it were you in their situation, having the chance to win money in a tournament, ofcourse you would complain.
I like both teams and GL for the one that goes throught the tournament!
So they have all the right to complain.
You like to call them whinners, but if it were you in their situation, having the chance to win money in a tournament, ofcourse you would complain.
I like both teams and GL for the one that goes throught the tournament!
2010-05-14 22:29:47
the guy didn't even peek him when he defused though so it really shouldn't matter even though it was illegal..and people would rather watch a team like wemadefox advance rather than eg imo.
2010-05-14 22:33:18
For the guy that said it had no effect on the outcome of the round... the only reason he was able to defuse was because he did it through a box. There were 2 terrorists watching the bomb so that it couldn't be defused. If he wouldn't have used the bug and defused it the normal way, he would have died instantly.
He used a bug to win a round that they wouldn't have won the round otherwise.
Post edited 2010-05-14 22:34:30
He used a bug to win a round that they wouldn't have won the round otherwise.
Post edited 2010-05-14 22:34:30
2010-05-14 22:33:45
If you use the 'Reply' button "the guy that said it had no effect on the outcome of the round" will/would know you replied to him/her ;)
2010-05-14 22:40:40
Did you seriously watch the video? 4:18 clearly shows hooch NOT covering the bomb with under 2 seconds until the defuse is complete (and the bomb not in an open position), and the distance romjke appears to travel to kill at 4.20 suggests he didn't move from his position at 4.18, where he also wasn't peeking the bomb. In eyes needed to be 100% conclusive though.
And to add to my points above, i'm not arguing that there should be no punishment, just wondering if the admins would take into consideration whether the outcome of the round was affected (as it appears not to be to me in this case) with a rule like this.
Post edited 2010-05-14 22:47:11
And to add to my points above, i'm not arguing that there should be no punishment, just wondering if the admins would take into consideration whether the outcome of the round was affected (as it appears not to be to me in this case) with a rule like this.
Post edited 2010-05-14 22:47:11
2010-05-14 22:46:12
wemadefox > EG
2010-05-14 22:34:41
if EG advances, I really hope they can do something against the rest of the teams lol.
2010-05-14 22:36:56
They cant.
2010-05-14 22:44:37
Yes because they have more rounds.
2010-05-14 22:49:28
No, you don't understand.
They can't do something against the rest of the teams.
I agree.
They can't do something against the rest of the teams.
I agree.
2010-05-14 22:53:20
they beat sk...
p.s. m not a big eg fan...plz stfu if u dont want to reply sensibly dont reply and see what happens 2morrow i m smelling an eg hater in u....
p.s. m not a big eg fan...plz stfu if u dont want to reply sensibly dont reply and see what happens 2morrow i m smelling an eg hater in u....
2010-05-14 23:04:34
Your nobody to tell me to stfu, ill post whatever i want whenever i want ;)
With that said, only a retard would think EG can win against fnatic/navi/mouz in a bo3. GL if youre one of them.
With that said, only a retard would think EG can win against fnatic/navi/mouz in a bo3. GL if youre one of them.
2010-05-14 23:37:22
yeah so we should deprive them of a chance to even try. nice logic.
and they beat SK quite convincingly on INFERNO, and we all know they can play train top notch as well.
idk, honestly, i dont care. i always root for EG but wmf is my other favorite team. EG definitely got super unlucky, unbelievable that the only thing that would send them home, a tie, actually happened lol.
nonetheless, most of the people on here just hate EG when they are better than any team from their country.
LOL @ the frenchies on here saying how bad EG is. apparently you didnt see them handle oXmoze, and apparently you didnt notice that no one bothered to invite the french teams so they could go 0-3 in group. french people in this thread are just angry.
and they beat SK quite convincingly on INFERNO, and we all know they can play train top notch as well.
idk, honestly, i dont care. i always root for EG but wmf is my other favorite team. EG definitely got super unlucky, unbelievable that the only thing that would send them home, a tie, actually happened lol.
nonetheless, most of the people on here just hate EG when they are better than any team from their country.
LOL @ the frenchies on here saying how bad EG is. apparently you didnt see them handle oXmoze, and apparently you didnt notice that no one bothered to invite the french teams so they could go 0-3 in group. french people in this thread are just angry.
2010-05-14 23:45:49
well u dint see my comment properly i guess i dont like eg very much but in the situation i will favor eg and btw how can u say that eg cannot beat any team???well if they can beat sk more than once y cant they beat navi and all?? navi>sk ??only on this tourneys result....
2010-05-14 23:49:07
they can't. Against mous, fnatic, wmf!!!, na'vi they don't stand a chance
2010-05-14 22:59:29
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwmygF4yzWU
2010-05-14 22:39:47
would he have got the defuse if he ran around and defused it normally? or did he only have enough time to get it through the box?
2010-05-14 22:42:59
http://ru.justin.tv/slamje/b/263680906
4:15 ish
4:15 ish
2010-05-14 22:43:49
If WMF won 22-8 that would be a lame to protest but 15-15 the round of 3points + WemadeFOX (old eSTRO) already protested on WCG 2k7 against MYM so :):)
2010-05-14 22:44:09
To everyone saying it doesn't matter because the player didn't peak, please think again. There is a subtle difference nevertheless that probably had a huge impact on the outcome of the round. I don't think they would have won the round without cheating.
However, even if they would win the round without breaking the rules, what does it matter?
They broke an important rule, of course they should be punished. In what way, the admins shall decide.
Also, I don't think there's anything wrong with EG complaining about a match they didn't take part in.
However, even if they would win the round without breaking the rules, what does it matter?
They broke an important rule, of course they should be punished. In what way, the admins shall decide.
Also, I don't think there's anything wrong with EG complaining about a match they didn't take part in.
2010-05-14 22:58:07
The first half of your post doesn't even make any sense. Why would they not have won the round by defusing normally? The UNiTED players DID NOT PEEK.
2010-05-14 23:02:23
Well it's much more likely you'll go for a full defuse if you're hidden don't you think? If he couldn't defuse it behind the box he might have faked it.
2010-05-14 23:04:12
Yup, we can be pretty sure that he would not have even tried to defuse without possibility to defuse through to box.
2010-05-14 23:06:23
Like he said, I REALLY doubt solo would have tried that defuse at all out in the open, only did it cause he was (fairly sure) he was hidden from most angles.
2010-05-14 23:10:41
The player involved is actually termi ::)
2010-05-14 23:18:24
i imagine EG sitting and watching every demo to find something illegal that may put them back into the game XD
2010-05-14 23:11:07
Me too haha. They are playing for real money though so I cant really blame them.
2010-05-14 23:16:05
Ahah Troll of the year on the cs scene! Hope the Arbalet admins will find a good decision!
2010-05-14 23:14:20
some updates about the eg/wmf conflict?
2010-05-14 23:17:46
just watch the fckin video!
totally illegal!
totally illegal!
2010-05-14 23:23:14
I'm pretty sure romjke had to peek a little to see if he was faking it or if he was going for the defuse... They're professional players fighting for a huge prize pot, they wouldn't just assume he's faking it and risk the round, especially on a 1v2.
He didn't see termi because he was behind the box, and common sense tells you that if he's not visibly defusing the bomb, he should be holding an angle trying to kill you via fake defusing.
What didn't go through either UNiTED members minds is that termi could actually be performing an action that has been declared illegal in every big tournament for over six years.
Get real, I would compare it to a high profile event like the upcoming FIFA world cup: a foul is performed in the penalty zone during a group stage soccer game, and the referee doesn't force a penalty shoot that would directly affect the chance of a third party team in advancing to the playoffs.
He didn't see termi because he was behind the box, and common sense tells you that if he's not visibly defusing the bomb, he should be holding an angle trying to kill you via fake defusing.
What didn't go through either UNiTED members minds is that termi could actually be performing an action that has been declared illegal in every big tournament for over six years.
Get real, I would compare it to a high profile event like the upcoming FIFA world cup: a foul is performed in the penalty zone during a group stage soccer game, and the referee doesn't force a penalty shoot that would directly affect the chance of a third party team in advancing to the playoffs.
2010-05-14 23:23:49
UNiTED was already qualified.
And the position of termi, i'm pretty sure (yeah, with you, it's only probabilities) that the m4 was visible.
And the position of termi, i'm pretty sure (yeah, with you, it's only probabilities) that the m4 was visible.
2010-05-14 23:25:55
Sure there's a lot of money involved in the tournament and all that so I guess we can't really say EG are wrong and sore losers for filing complaint against WMF. But it is still kind of hard to respect them when you picture them going through every details of OTHER team's matches to see if there's anything to dispute.
2010-05-14 23:28:22
In typical american way, EG are ready to support anyone, even Russian team, to take an advantage.
Guys, have some pride, United haven't complained about the result, and who are you? You didn't play this game. Let the opponents argue about the result.
Guys, have some pride, United haven't complained about the result, and who are you? You didn't play this game. Let the opponents argue about the result.
2010-05-14 23:28:54
Yeah well next time you get screwed out of thousands of dollars, which will be never, you can fill us in on how p.o'd you are
2010-05-14 23:32:11
They didn't complain becuase they still advanced to the next group. Also who is to say that UNITED ever realized it happened.
2010-05-14 23:35:08
dude it wasnt any match it was a match that needed to end in a draw in order for eg to get out of the tourney...and u have something like this in the same match...doent matter if it was russians or chinese i think any1 wud complain....
2010-05-14 23:57:20
I hope that it will be replay and our teams will negotiate a draw. It will be very funny and instructively.
2010-05-15 05:31:56
Hmm ... WMF with duck jump, WMF @ DTS-CUP, WMF illegal defuse ... cheaters ALL OF THEM! BAN THEM FOREVER!
JKJK
Even though I wanted at least one American team to advance I wish they could have just done it "on there own" but if there really was an illegal defuse then why do WMF deserve to go through? It's an odd situation and whatever decision is made so be it.
JKJK
Even though I wanted at least one American team to advance I wish they could have just done it "on there own" but if there really was an illegal defuse then why do WMF deserve to go through? It's an odd situation and whatever decision is made so be it.
2010-05-14 23:31:18
some ppl are saying that romjke should've peaked, BUT
WOULD TERMI DEFUSE WITHOUT FAKING IF HE WASNT BEHIND THAT BOX????
Post edited 2010-05-14 23:39:32
2010-05-14 23:36:46
From rusez:
11. Protests may only be the captains and managers of teams:
- If a player does not agree with the judge handed down the decision, he may express his protest, but only <b>before confirm the result of the match</b>.
Post edited 2010-05-14 23:40:08
11. Protests may only be the captains and managers of teams:
- If a player does not agree with the judge handed down the decision, he may express his protest, but only <b>before confirm the result of the match</b>.
Post edited 2010-05-14 23:40:08
2010-05-14 23:39:50
go home EG :-j u suck
2010-05-14 23:49:21
eg is right and its not their fault that arbalet has this rule. but imo its a really stupid rule.
its uniteds fault that they planted the bomb defusable from the spot(even though it was for the purpose of not being banged through the box).
a rule like this just takes an important part of the game away like russian ducking i'd say
its uniteds fault that they planted the bomb defusable from the spot(even though it was for the purpose of not being banged through the box).
a rule like this just takes an important part of the game away like russian ducking i'd say
2010-05-14 23:53:10
This website is nowadays ruled by 15-year olds, retards and people who are unable to form a single coherent sentence in English.
And it's sad because I remember a time when it was a pretty good site.
Good job people born in the 90's, you've managed to ruin yet another thing.
And it's sad because I remember a time when it was a pretty good site.
Good job people born in the 90's, you've managed to ruin yet another thing.
2010-05-14 23:58:59
g33k
2010-05-15 00:14:11
np
2010-05-15 00:47:33
What a ridiculous argument that is. Why would UNiTED complain about it? They advanced to the next GROUP, there's no advantage by placing 1st or 2nd in the first group stage due to this tournament's format. If UNiTED had lost that match, it's a no brainer they would have complained.
I don't think UNiTED would have wanted EG to advance after demolishing SK anyway, considering SK was the team that thrashed them 22-8 in the previous match, regardless of UNiTED beating EG 22-8.
Romjke did peek, he's a professional player that would not risk rounds like that, especially on a 1v2 situation, although, he must have peeked just enough to see if he was LEGALLY defusing (which was not the case) and after thinking he was not on the bomb, he supposed termi was lurking around after fake defusing.
Players at this high level of competition shouldn't be worrying about other "professional" players trying to perform illegal defuses when they sure as hell know it has been banned from every big tournament for over six years.
I don't think UNiTED would have wanted EG to advance after demolishing SK anyway, considering SK was the team that thrashed them 22-8 in the previous match, regardless of UNiTED beating EG 22-8.
Romjke did peek, he's a professional player that would not risk rounds like that, especially on a 1v2 situation, although, he must have peeked just enough to see if he was LEGALLY defusing (which was not the case) and after thinking he was not on the bomb, he supposed termi was lurking around after fake defusing.
Players at this high level of competition shouldn't be worrying about other "professional" players trying to perform illegal defuses when they sure as hell know it has been banned from every big tournament for over six years.
2010-05-14 23:59:43
ROMjKE had a flash in his hand. He threw it in and yet he wasn't man enough to even take a look at the bomb plant for any Terrorist. If u tell me he has nothing, and he plans to wait for Termi to stop his fake, I can't say anything. But clearly as a CT, you should not RELY on the RULE BOOKS TO GIVE U AN ADVANTAGE. Your job is to defend and protect the site. If you want to talk about exploits, the admin should then ban russian walk altogether. Defusing through the crate should be allowed as long as the defuser is in the bombsite. Can't make it simpler than that right. There's no unfair advantaged to be gain as the CT KNOWS that he is there. Its not like he's nowhere to be seen. They chose not to rush him, and they should pay for their mistake.The whole point of contention here is not whether Termi would have gotten the defuse or not had he done this or that, but rather, is the act of defusing the bomb through an object legal. Termi was in the bombsite at that time. To be honest, there wasn't any advantage to be gained whatsoever. Are you trying to tell me that Termi knew 100% that Romejike will not peak out so that he could continue to defuse all the way?
2010-05-15 05:42:55
I don't really care about EG but the asians teams always do dumb stuff like this anyways its about time they payed for it. I hope EG wins the argument and WMF goes home.
Post edited 2010-05-15 02:04:45
Post edited 2010-05-15 02:04:45
2010-05-15 02:04:13
i hope KF3 blogs about this hahaha
2010-05-15 03:21:19
Based on that round only, the defuse looked fine. EG traveled from the US to play in this while WMF traveled from South Korea (much further away) so that's not really a valid justification on why EG should advance.
2010-05-15 04:26:27
Evil Geniuses....
well, their name..... it's real :( Fuuuucker
if wmf isn't blocked, i'll hate eg to the death...
well, their name..... it's real :( Fuuuucker
if wmf isn't blocked, i'll hate eg to the death...
2010-05-15 04:27:35
Why would you hate EG when wmf did an illegal thing that they knew they werent able to do... Just make no sens.
2010-05-15 05:34:45
korean guy, korean team. makes perfect sense.
2010-05-15 05:41:45
just read every posts under american flag on those 2 articles regarding illegal defuse and see how biased they are
2010-05-15 05:46:32
actually if you don't look at the flag and just focus on the reply, you'll see that most aren't biased and if it was toward any other team they would feel the same way. unlike most of the euros posting saying "stop crying americans u lost go home" and other nonsense.
no matter what country a team is from, i can't see it being right that they don't advance because the one round that that other team had over them, was won illegally. i'm sorry.
no matter what country a team is from, i can't see it being right that they don't advance because the one round that that other team had over them, was won illegally. i'm sorry.
2010-05-15 05:54:08
don't get me wrong, i've seen a reply or two from americans saying "well if i flew all that way i'd do whatever i could to win too". my opinion on this is that where you flew from or how far you flew has nothing to do with this situation.
i'm not saying americans don't make biased comments. i'm just saying that from what ive read most of the ones in this thread are legitimate opinions on the situation that happened.
nothing would make me happier than having this happen again soon with a euro team instead of eg. not only that, but having an american team be the one that illegal defuses, and see how the replies on that article turns out.
i'm not saying americans don't make biased comments. i'm just saying that from what ive read most of the ones in this thread are legitimate opinions on the situation that happened.
nothing would make me happier than having this happen again soon with a euro team instead of eg. not only that, but having an american team be the one that illegal defuses, and see how the replies on that article turns out.
2010-05-15 06:00:23
wemadefox pls. legal defuse imo and the better team advances. eg would lose every match with less than 10 rounds
2010-05-15 06:11:37
you are right. your reply isn't biased at all. eg shows up to all of these tournaments just to lose every match with less than 10 rounds. the only reason why they beat sk was because sk was literally sleeping during the match.
2010-05-15 06:14:00
I'm amazed no one has made a vid of the actual defuse. What defuse could possibly be illegal? I can see defusing through floors like on nuke being illegal, but anything else on any map, there just aren't any scenarios I can see as 'illegal'...
2010-05-15 08:36:41
Back in one of the earlier WCG's We Made Fox disputed Nola from the Norwegian team with REAL for crouch hopping and won because of it. Hope they get fucked this time.
2010-05-15 08:57:16
It's really low, cheap and unsportsmanlike of EG to protest someone else's game to their advantage. EG lost, they should cop it up the chin and go home.
2010-05-15 08:58:08
I don't think that's a fair assessment.
If WeMade FOX had beaten UNiTED, EG would have advanced over UNiTED...
*and*
If UNiTED had beaten WeMade FOX, EG would have advanced over WeMade FOX...
The *only* scenario which would put EG out of the tournament was a tie, and that is what happened. It's just unfortunate and I don't blame them for bringing up the rules.
If WeMade FOX had beaten UNiTED, EG would have advanced over UNiTED...
*and*
If UNiTED had beaten WeMade FOX, EG would have advanced over WeMade FOX...
The *only* scenario which would put EG out of the tournament was a tie, and that is what happened. It's just unfortunate and I don't blame them for bringing up the rules.
2010-05-15 09:30:25
lol.. you think EG is unfortunate but think of it this way. Had SK played out the remaining rounds, EG would have most likely lost several rounds and United/WMF would've surely ended up with greater round difference. So you could also easily argue SK's lame move and
unprofessionalism almost screwed over Utd/WMF's advancement to the next round
unprofessionalism almost screwed over Utd/WMF's advancement to the next round
2010-05-15 10:01:42
Best soln is...let
WMF and EG have a rematch.....u win u advance...
WMF and EG have a rematch.....u win u advance...
2010-05-15 09:49:52
I don't agree for a rematch .. No one asked termi to do so .. he did it so why should some other team pay for it .. its his team which should take the penalty .. After all they are professionals .. its expected them to be knowing all the rules .. and then CS is not that big a game .. in terms of rules and maps .
2010-05-15 09:57:34
they are well within their rights to complain .. and it is not whining by any means .. Match was tied .. and 1 wrong diffuse will give them victory .. anyways CS is such a close game so yeah 1 round matters .. and it does matter a lot .. who knows if that diffuse was not possible .. WMF might be doing an eco in next ..
2010-05-15 09:55:30
rules are rules?
2010-05-15 10:17:46
Why EG dispute for UNiTED?
The right to dispute should belong to WMF's opponent in that game.
Loser is just loser and plz focus on ur aim and skills for next big event.
Post edited 2010-05-15 10:26:45
The right to dispute should belong to WMF's opponent in that game.
Loser is just loser and plz focus on ur aim and skills for next big event.
Post edited 2010-05-15 10:26:45
2010-05-15 10:26:19
I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
They are americans, what did you expect?
They are americans, what did you expect?
2010-05-19 01:59:33
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr2pyxbnjpM Hellspawn from Rakaka responds to this.
2010-05-19 17:48:25
his new haircut looks awful :D
Post edited 2010-05-24 22:49:56
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2010-05-24 22:47:03
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