ESWC 2010: Top Players
Time: 2010-07-11 18:12
Event: ESWC 2010

Electronic Sports World Cup 2010 was one of the most followed tournaments in years and it deserves a proper finish to its coverage by seeing who the best individual performers were. Also, as the event did not give out any individual awards, at the end of this article we will nominate a few players for you to vote on and decide the unofficial MVP, so be sure to read on and see many interesting stats related to your potential choices and also other top performers.

Seeing as there were many world-class teams and players in attendance and many of them performed very good, we had to expand the usual top 10 to a bit more. Also, for the same reason only players from teams that made it to playoffs were considered. So, without further ado, let's see who those best of the best were and what made them stand out.

Best rated players

16) Player Team KPR DPR Rating
Filip 'Neo' Kubski Frag eXecutors 0.77 0.66 1.11

1 x MotM, Highest rating: 1.59 vs KaoS (Group stage 1)

The Polish superstar Filip "Neo "Kubski was once again the key player for his team's success, helping Frag eXecutors get to semi-final after a long spell of unsuccessful tournaments. He was always among the best for his team, illustrated by the fact that he was 12% better than team average. Kubski was one of the best clutch players in the event with total 8 rounds won when left alone. The most memorable such rounds happened at the ending of the match against mousesports, where he got a ninja defuse and then a 1on3 in last two rounds to bring his team the victory (video).

15) Player Team KPR DPR Rating
Dennis 'walle' Wallenberg SK 0.77 0.60 1.15

0 x MotM, Highest rating: 1.51 vs coL (Quarter-final, train)

SK recently made a change in the team by taking away in-game leadership responsibilities from Dennis "walle" Wallenberg in order to allow him to play more freely and use the awp more. Although his awp wasn't as lethal as it can be, he was still the 6th best with it at the event. More importantly, he played much better all around than in previous tournaments this year, getting an event-rating over 1.00 for the first time in 2010. The big difference in his game was being one of the most regular fraggers (6th in the event) by getting at least one kill in 54% of his rounds, compared to 46% in the past. Also, he was very good as entry fragger, with 41 first kills (0.12 per round).

14) Player Team KPR DPR Rating
Jimmy 'allen' Allen SK 0.74 0.58 1.16

3 x MotM, Highest rating: 1.76 vs FireGamers (Group stage 2)

Another player that was a big reason for SK's great display was Jimmy "allen" Allen, who, just as Wallenberg, had his best tournament yet this year. Allen was best rated in a match 3 times, and was also one of the players hardest to kill with 0.58 DPR. He was very successful in entry kills (3rd in event), even though he was his team's least utilized player for that task.

13) Player Team KPR DPR Rating
Oliver 'minet' Minet mTw 0.80 0.63 1.16

2 x MotM, Highest rating: 1.94 vs EG (Group stage 2)

Another great tournament in a row for mTw's Oliver "minet" Minet is beginning to establish a new trio of main stars in the Danish team. He had a very good 0.80 KPR, was the team's best pistol round player and a very good entry killer (48 first kills). Another way he stood out was the use of AK47, as he was event's second best with the weapon and he used it for 50% of his kills.

12) Player Team KPR DPR Rating
Johan 'face' Klasson SK 0.77 0.61 1.17

1 x MotM, Highest rating: 1.56 vs coL (Quarter-final, train)

Another SK member that played great is Johan "face" Klasson, one who we are already used to doing well this year. His main trait was his consistency, as he had rating of at least 1.00 in 11 of 13 maps, only doing bad in the two losses against Na´Vi in the final.

11) Player Team KPR DPR Rating
Sergey 'starix' Ischuk Na´Vi 0.80 0.56 1.19

2 x MotM, Highest rating: 1.77 vs mTw (Semi-final, train)

Sergey "starix" Ischuk continued with great form he showed at DH, and even though he wasn't the best rated Ukrainian this time, he was a very important part of their machinery. Again the model of consistency with 11 of 12 maps over 1.00, Ischuk was also one of the best pistol round players in the event (5th) and the hardest to kill with 0.56 DPR. It might also be interesting to note that he was left in 1on1 situations 7 times and won all of them for his team.

10) Player Team KPR DPR Rating
Renato 'nak' Nakano FireGamers 0.77 0.61 1.20

0 x MotM, Highest rating: 1.57 vs Lions (Group stage 1)

One of three FireGamers' members who had won an ESWC title in 2006 with MiBR, Renato "nak" Nakano, was the player who carried their team the most in the entire tournament. He basically didn't have a bad game and was an incredible 31% better than team average, so there wasn't much more he could have done to help his team progress further. He was also the third most dominant player in the event when we consider who had most rounds with multiple kills, and he was also quite clutch with 6 rounds won in 1onX situations.

9) Player Team KPR DPR Rating
Danny 'zonic' Sørensen mTw 0.80 0.56 1.20

4 x MotM, Highest rating: 1.71 vs k1ck (Group stage 1)

The MVP of DH Summer, Danny "zonic" Sørensen, had a tough task of repeating the incredible performances from Jönköping, but even though he didn't do quite that well, he still continued with great form as one of the best players in this event. Four times highest rated in a match, 11 of 13 times over 1.00, 8 clutch rounds won, great 0.56 DPR and being by far the best player with M4A1 are the stats that best describe his performance and playing style in this tournament.

8) Player Team KPR DPR Rating
Ioann 'Edward' Sukhariev Na´Vi 0.86 0.66 1.21

4 x MotM, Highest rating: 1.95 vs mTw (Semi-final, dust2)

The Ukrainian killing machine and pistol king, Ioann "Edward" Sukhariev, was surely one of the stars of this tournament as the 3rd best fragger with 0.86 KPR and by being the 3rd best player in pistol rounds, which can best be witnessed in his amazing pistol ace against mTw in semi-final (video). On top of that he was top rated in 4 maps, second best at amount of rounds with kills with 56%, and 4th best entry killer of the tournament.

7) Player Team KPR DPR Rating
Rasmus 'Gux' Ståhl SK 0.84 0.59 1.21

2 x MotM, Highest rating: 1.60 vs coL (Quarter-final, train)

Ever since arriving to SK in mid-February, Rasmus "Gux" Ståhl established himself as the star of the team and this tournament was no different. Up until the final, he was the best rated player in the entire event, but the slight under-performance dropped him to 7th place. Regardless of that, he was crucial to his team's success as the most regular fragger of the event with 57% of rounds with at least one kill, 2nd best pistol round player, 5th best KPR of 0.84 and the best AK47.

6) Player Team KPR DPR Rating
Christopher 'GeT_RiGhT' Alesund fnatic 0.87 0.64 1.23

2 x MotM, Highest rating: 1.75 vs Lions (Group stage 1)

Just like in DH Summer, Christopher "GeT_RiGhT" Alesund displayed incredible fragging ability, but again his team didn't make it past quarter-final. Second-best 0.87 KPR, and being the best pistol round player of the event made Alesund stand out by 13% compared to his team's average rating, but wasn't enough to make it past Na´Vi.

5) Player Team KPR DPR Rating
Yegor 'markeloff' Markelov Na´Vi 0.81 0.56 1.23

4 x MotM, Highest rating: 2.17 vs mTw (Semi-final, train)

Without a doubt the best player in the final itself, Yegor "markeloff" Markelov, was just as good throughout the whole event, as he shares the most consistent player title with his teammate Ischuk with 11/12 maps with rating above 1.00 (top rated in 4 of those) and also shares the hardest to kill title with the same teammate with 0.56 DPR. Known best for his awping skills, Markelov was the second best in that category with 0.32 awpKPR, although he did have the most total kills with the weapon (101). He also had 3 aces with the awp in the tournament, 2 in the final against SK (video #1 and  video #2) and the third against mTw (video). His display in the semi-final against mTw on de_train was the best individual performance in the playoffs.

4) Player Team KPR DPR Rating
Engin 'MAJ3R' Kupeli BURNING! 0.82 0.65 1.24

2 x MotM, Highest rating: 1.87 vs DELTA (Group stage 1)

The French team BURNING! surprised many with their great play and it was partly thanks to amazing performances from Engin "MAJ3R" Kupeli who was the most dominant player in the whole event with his incredible number of 3-kill rounds (23) and four 4-kill rounds. Also, he was 13% better than his team's average and was very consistent.

3) Player Team KPR DPR Rating
Martin 'trace' Heldt mTw 0.85 0.58 1.25

3 x MotM, Highest rating: 2.13 vs k1ck (Group stage 1)

The best player from 3rd place finishers mTw was definitely Martin "trace" Heldt, as he continued his great form from DH Summer. He was one of the best fraggers of the event with 0.85 KPR (4th) and 56% of rounds with at least one kill (3rd), and has definitely established himself as one of the best entry killers in the world after being 2nd best here and 3rd in that category at DH.

2) Player Team KPR DPR Rating
Christophe 'sixeR' Xia BURNING! 0.82 0.58 1.27

4 x MotM, Highest rating: 1.72 vs Playzone (Group stage 2)

Another player from quarter-finalists BURNING! who has definitely proven himself on a world-class level is Christophe "sixeR" Xia. He was one of the most important players for their team, 16% better than team average, and was top rated in a match 4 times. Xia was also the best entry killer of the tournament, the 4th best awper, 5th most dominant player and practically did not have a bad game, as his worst rating was, a slightly below average, 0.90 in his last map of the tournament, while in his 8 other maps he had at least 1.09.

1) Player Team KPR DPR Rating
Patrik 'f0rest' Lindberg fnatic 0.91 0.61 1.34

2 x MotM, Highest rating: 1.71 vs Alternate (Group stage 2)

Somewhat unexpectedly, the top rated player comes from a team that ended their campaign in quarter-final, as Patrik "f0rest" Lindberg surely didn't deserve to finish his participation in the tournament that early considering his outstanding form. Lindberg had by far the best KPR of 0.91 and was the second most dominant player in the tournament. Apart from his bad display in the 16-1 loss to Na´Vi, his lowest rating in the other 6 matches was a great 1.22. That consistent good play made him 24% better than his team's average.


Top Awpers

Markelov played incredible with the big green during this tournament and had some amazing actions, but he wasn't the most lethal awper. Gabriel "FalleN" Toledo from FireGamers had a stunning 0.38 awpKPR and used it for 54% of his kills, which made him the best awper of the event, at least stats-wise.

# Player Team awp Kills awpKPR % of kills
1.  Gabriel 'FalleN' Toledo FG 70 0.38 54%
2. Yegor 'markeloff' Markelov Na´Vi 101 0.32 39%
3. Harley 'dsn' Örwall fnatic 46 0.24 32%
4. Christophe 'sixeR' Xia BURNING! 41 0.16 19%
5. Jarosław 'pashaJarząbkowski FX 52 0.14 22%

Top Pistol Round players

Alesund from fnatic was the best pistol round player this event, which also helped his team be the best in first rounds (10 out of 14 won). SK's Stahl is second, while pistol king Sukhariev is third this time. Derek "dboorN" Boorn from complexity also stood out, although his team won only 5 of 12 pistol rounds despite his great play in them.

# Player Team PR KPR PR DPR PR Rating
1.  Christopher 'GeT_RiGhT' Alesund fnatic 1.36 0.71 1.79
2. Rasmus 'Gux' Ståhl SK 1.19 0.58 1.61
3. Ioann 'Edward' Sukhariev Na´Vi 1.00 0.67 1.56
4. Derek 'dboorN' Boorn coL 1.25 0.83 1.44
5. Sergey 'starix' Ischuk Na´Vi 1.04 0.58 1.43

Top Entry-kill players

The best entry killer of the tournament was BURNING!'s Xia, who had most entry kills per round, best entry kill-death difference and was most successful by winning 77% of first duels. Right behind him is Heldt who was great in this field in another event in a row. After him is SK's Allen who did not strike first often, but when he did he was very successful.

Also, here are a few interesting stats involving entry kills:

  • BURNING! lost 21 of 22 rounds when Geno died first
  • pasha was the player who took part in most first duels for his team (28%) and won 51% of them
  • zonic was the player who least attacked (or was attacked) first with 14% of his team's entry kills involving him
  • walle was the best (or luckiest) entry killer option for his team, as they won 90% of rounds when he got a first kill, and lost only 54% of rounds he died first, meaning they won 73% of time he was involved in the entry kill of a round.
# Player Team EKpR EDpR EK-DpR Won%
1.  Christophe 'sixeR' Xia BURNING! 0.18 0.05 +0.13 77%
2. Martin 'trace' Heldt mTw 0.16 0.06 +0.10 74%
3. Jimmy 'allen' Allen SK 0.11 0.05 +0.06 68%
4. Gabriel 'FalleN' Toledo FireGamers 0.15 0.10 +0.05 60%
5. Ioann 'Edward' Sukhariev Na´Vi 0.14 0.09 +0.05 62%

Summary and honorable mention

In addition to the top rated players who made it to the playoffs, there was one player whose team got held up at group stage, but who has to be complimented for his performance. That player is Wemade FOX's latest addition, Bum-Gi "peri" Jung, who played great in all 6 of his team's matches and had an amazing 0.88 KPR and just as amazing 0.53 DPR. Jung is surely going to be a player to watch in the future, as this was only his second international event with the team, and he was their best player on both occasions.

As far as choosing the Most Valuable Player of ESWC 2010 goes, it would be too hard to decide from all of these great performers, so we will nominate only a few that we selected from the top three placed teams. Those are two guys from the winning team Na´Vi, Sukhariev and Markelov, and one player from each of the second and the third placed team, Ståhl from SK and Heldt from mTw.

Now that you can consider all the things that made these players stand out and you probably watched some of their matches, who do you think performed  best in the entire tournament and deserved to be named the MVP?

ESWC 2010 MVP?

Ioann 'Edward' Sukhariev: (26%) (456)
Yegor 'markeloff' Markelov: (46%) (803)
Martin 'trace' Heldt: (10%) (179)
Rasmus 'Gux' Ståhl: (18%) (314)

Total Votes: 1752


This concludes our coverage of ESWC 2010 along with uploading the remaining POV demos. If you want to see some more stats from this event click here and explore. Stay tuned to HLTV.org as we will continue to bring you top notch coverage from many future events.

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by: alex! - HLTV.org
#2
f0rest played really good thru out the whole tournament.

Post edited 2010-07-11 18:15:52
2010-07-11 18:14:00
its f0rest as usual.
2010-07-11 18:15:02
not "as always" he was playing pretty much average recently... But he owned at ESWC.
2010-07-11 18:21:35
he was absolutely amazing at Arbalet EU
2010-07-11 18:31:57
+100000 :D
2010-07-12 03:43:25
markeloff awesome awp
2010-07-11 18:16:22
i voted to markeloff, but edward was really good too
2010-07-11 18:16:26
markeloff dont deserve this he play bad in group stages He wake up in playoffs so Trace or Gux
2010-07-12 11:47:14
haha with 31kills more with awp ure 2nd (markeloff) :D
2010-07-11 18:16:29
It's just in stats. He played 5 more maps then Fallen, that's why his KillsPerRound Ratio is lower. Besides he did pretty well with ak/colt unlike Fallen.
2010-07-12 11:47:53
markeloff so overrated... nice fallen
2010-07-11 18:16:30
sixer nice!
2010-07-11 18:16:38
f0rest the king

Post edited 2010-07-11 18:17:46
2010-07-11 18:17:36
markeloff gg
2010-07-11 18:18:34
forest nice!! but sixeR absolutely greaat deserved!!! :))
2010-07-11 18:18:52
gux
2010-07-11 18:19:04
by: mah9
#15
i have no idea how peri or solo wasn't in the top16 lol

mvp markeloff or trace imo... although all 4 of those players played great
2010-07-11 18:20:50
markeloff or markeloff??????
2010-07-11 18:20:55
nice f0rest
2010-07-11 18:21:10
by: pnd
#20
fallen :>
2010-07-11 18:21:59
SIXER MVP !
2010-07-11 18:23:51
by: nsis
#22
2. Yegor 'makeloff' Markelov

lol
2010-07-11 18:24:07
what is funny there?
2010-07-11 18:36:09
by: nsis
#34
The misspelling. It isn't really funny, just wanted to point it out so it can be fixed :]
2010-07-11 18:38:40
LOL pwned my self hahah ;)
2010-07-11 18:40:18
gux_X-x_X_X
2010-07-11 18:26:14
gux mvp
2010-07-11 18:27:55
fallen deserves ;D
2010-07-11 18:28:01
nice FALLEN KING
2010-07-11 18:33:02
Great work by hltv. Really awesome work they are doing.
2010-07-11 18:35:29
nice falleN O_O
markeloff > fallen..
2010-07-11 18:35:59
FALLEN KING
2010-07-11 18:36:08
markeloff ofc
2010-07-11 18:36:19
markeloff << fallen!
2010-07-11 18:36:21
rofl
2010-07-11 20:21:24
markeloff OFC and Edward king of pistols ;)
2010-07-11 18:38:46
by: ritN
#36
Edward
2010-07-11 18:38:55
by: k24
#37
fo0rest 4ever
2010-07-11 18:39:09
SixeR was so on fire!

keep up the good work guys, really like it ;p

markelov mvp

Post edited 2010-07-11 18:41:28
2010-07-11 18:40:42
wtf :/

mvp player : Markeloff - zonic - Neo - GuX

2010-07-11 18:41:38
markeloff NAJS!
2010-07-11 18:42:14
MVP Player 100% Markeloff ! best player AWP markeloff
2010-07-11 18:44:37
pasha? Are you serious ? :D
2010-07-11 18:45:11
FALLEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!
2010-07-11 18:46:40
fanboy detecteddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
2010-07-11 19:17:58
bip bip bip
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2010-07-11 19:47:35
markeloff mvp :)
2010-07-11 18:47:12
Hahaha pasha :D GG xD
2010-07-11 18:47:21
FALLEN SNIPERGOD
2010-07-11 18:47:37
As always the Euros hating on the Americans.
2010-07-11 18:47:47
Everything doesn't revolve around you pesky americans /shoo
2010-07-11 23:27:24
stfu, why don't you go dance in place.
2010-07-12 16:04:15
Nice to see siXer in so many tops !

And f0rest of course !

Forp-da-king !
2010-07-11 18:48:23
well played sixer B! might just need to replace rara, maybe would have went to the semi's
2010-07-11 18:49:20
f0rest
2010-07-11 18:51:58
nicely done
2010-07-11 18:54:59
Patrik 'f0rest' Lindberg FOREVER^^
2010-07-11 18:56:41
f0rest is the BEST PLAYER in the world . no doubt
2010-07-11 18:58:42
nak is the BEST PLAYER
2010-07-11 19:00:06
Awesome read, I really appreciate hltv.org work! Keep it up guys! Btw f0rest may have been the best player stats-wise, rly for me markeloff was, once again, amazing.
2010-07-11 19:00:10
now withou THREAT, fnatic can dominate again xD
<3 FoReSTiNhOw
2010-07-11 19:04:56
GUXXXX
2010-07-11 19:05:10
Nice FalleN, really nice awp :]
2010-07-11 19:07:42
by: rw
#60
f0rest is the king of CS!

nice FaLLeN!
2010-07-11 19:10:03
4 of 5 SK players

gg
2010-07-11 19:15:53
funboys addicted
2010-07-11 19:16:02
by: oLo-
#63
N1 markeloff great job in the final
2010-07-11 19:17:01
Edward best player in the world
2010-07-11 19:21:17
by: w1N
#66
SIXER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2010-07-11 19:22:55
Again a very nice article from HLTV.org, congrats guys.
2010-07-11 19:23:41
by: WuLa
#69
Great job hltvorg, great job Tgwri1s as always. My vote goes to Yegor, he deff showed some wicked skills.
2010-07-11 19:24:27
Wow, amazing job Tgwri1s
2010-07-11 19:30:09
Yegor 'markeloff' Markelov , +1 ! :) MVP 4 sure.
2010-07-11 19:31:53
sixer 2nd when B! was eliminated in quarter finals, nice!
2010-07-11 19:32:59
so was fnatic, yet f0rest claims the top spot
2010-07-11 19:52:50
yeh but there's a difference between f0rest and SIXER... f0rest is a legend, everybody knows he's awesome. SIXER was until recently called an internet player each time he did well in an online tournament, so it's good to see him shining at this event
2010-07-11 20:28:40
sixer played amazing in this ESWC,hope he can change a clan to win #1,best awp in the world,so underrated, better than markloff.
2010-07-11 19:39:20
Why should he change team he's in the best French team there is, he should help them get better instead..
2010-07-28 16:23:13
lol at neo :D
2010-07-11 19:40:03
sixex > markeloff? looool
2010-07-11 19:40:15
by: reakq - HLTV.org
#113
If you're talking about top awpers, markeloff is 2nd and sixeR 4th so markeloff > sixeR.
But If you look the general, sixeR is more complete and regular than markeloff in the other sector of the game. Read all the news and then you will found the answer ;)
2010-07-11 22:30:57
Man, fragging a lot doesn"t make you the best player in the world, markeloff won so many important rounds and carried his team up. The stats are better for sixer but markeloff played an awesome tournament, he was actually better than sixer.
2010-07-12 09:28:59
by: reakq - HLTV.org
#172
Don't worry I perfectly agree with you ;)
I work all the time with statistics and I know their limits.
2010-07-12 09:43:07
nice peri and sixeR!
2010-07-11 19:51:06
trace must be first:D
2010-07-11 19:54:28
markeloff for mvp imo. Anyway first of all Burning really impressed me. but besides that, I am even more impressed to see zonic doing so good again, very impressive
2010-07-11 19:54:38
markeloff played really good. Still think all the players have their own thing in which they are good.

Post edited 2010-07-11 19:55:57
2010-07-11 19:55:25
ahahaha,f0rest no.1
2010-07-11 19:57:10
no fnatic POV`s?
2010-07-11 20:02:24
by: Tgwri1s - HLTV.org
#158
Unfortunately, no :(
2010-07-12 03:27:18
Gux , sixeR , nak , fallen , f0rest , really nice job at eswc
2010-07-11 20:04:11
awesome writeups thanks twgirirsiairas :D
I hope you keep this up!
2010-07-11 20:05:38
GJ f0rest :)

and threat was one of the worse players?
2010-07-11 20:12:15
allstars

f0rest,markeloff,gux,edward,gtr,
2010-07-11 20:12:25
hahah :D 3 sweden 2 ukraine :ARROW:
2010-07-12 02:37:40
IMO
Marik the best awpPLAYER at this moment )gl EGOR
ALLSTARS
TRACE MARKELOFF FOREST MAJER EDWARD
2010-07-11 20:18:05
markeloff POWER!
2010-07-11 20:18:25
FalleN top1 awp! OMG!!!!!!!
2010-07-11 20:25:30
of course fallen had a bigger frag rounds with awp percentage, markeloff must have played at least 3x the ammount of rounds fallen played...
markeloff is by far much better lol :P
2010-07-11 20:30:03
FalleN did play less rounds yes but if they would've played the same amount of rounds then FalleN would've had more frags than markeloff, you can't put it like that. markeloff does other things that FalleN don't though.
2010-07-28 16:24:48
mvp : markeloff imho
2010-07-11 20:30:31
mvp gux
2010-07-11 20:43:20
stats are stupid... a team that got knocked out in the quarters get 1st and 6th, while the winners get 5th, 8th and 12th

1 hardish game in 1st group stage will do that to you tho i guess

Post edited 2010-07-11 20:45:17
2010-07-11 20:44:26
exactly :P
2010-07-11 20:45:20
very very good review of the top players, you're doing a great job and showing very nice and interesting stats :)
2010-07-11 20:46:55
sixer on fire
2010-07-11 21:03:10
is this a joke?
2010-07-11 21:20:59
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#142
No this is a statistical breakdown based on actual numbers.
2010-07-12 01:14:21
markeloff mvp!
2010-07-11 21:22:57
SIXER and MAJER =) nice guys !
2010-07-11 21:23:30
sixeR MVP, omg...
2010-07-11 21:51:43
Best Five:
-Neo
-Markeloff
-F0rest
-Sixer
-Gux
2010-07-11 22:25:07
maj3r and sixer insane
2010-07-11 22:28:18
Sry but I disagree with most of the placements. You can't to them judging only the k/d ratio.
2010-07-11 22:32:46
well they are not ordered by k/d..
2010-07-11 23:35:26
So by what ? By number of MotM ? No ? Bonuses for match won ? No ? Just look at scores - it's pure k/d decided on group stage. In polish you could say "o kant dupy" :)

1. markeloff
2. gux
3. edward

Nothing more to say.
2010-07-12 00:08:53
The first rank is based on rating.

Ioann 'Edward' Sukhariev
Yegor 'markeloff' Markelov
Martin 'trace' Heldt
Rasmus 'Gux' Ståhl

Those are considered the best players of the tournament in the article. Your 3 best players match.

Post edited 2010-07-12 00:39:27
2010-07-12 00:34:18
Ok, rating... And on what is this rating based on ? And no, they doesn't match at all. They are mentioned in ranking but wtf with places ? I mean f0rest is DEFINATELY not mvp of this tournament.

Number of MotM, then rating - now everything fits better.
2010-07-12 13:08:25
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#197
How about you do just a second of research before you rage against something? The stats section has an article outlining rating; www.hltv.org/?pageid=242&eventid=0 - it makes no sense you are bashing the ranking, yet have no clue how it was made..
2010-07-12 13:40:40
Yes I admit I didn't read this at all, but when you look at the stats everything is pretty clear. The link you just gave me is actually proving that I was right. These stats are totally based on fragging and survival abilities, they are good for pubstats but not for competition like this.

MVP - stands for most valuable player, so the player without whom the team would not achieve as much as they did.

If there is 15-14 situation and a guy does a ninja defuse, brings 15-15 and then his teams win, he's clearly motm then if he played at least good throughout the match. But what does it change in rating ? Nothing !

If a dude loses 1v1 at the beginning of the match and then wins 1v1 in 15-14 situation giving his team the win, what impact has it on rating ? None.

If a guy has 30-10 stats in group match and another guy in the final, what's the difference in rating ? And what's the difference in real ? ;]

I don't want to say that stats are bad idea. But I think you should also take other, non-statistical factors under consideration.

I think it would be a good idea to give stronger points for matches in further stages. And also not only to write how many time someone was motm but also take it under consideration when calculating points.

Look, even if a guy has 50-5 score in match in group stage, he cannot be MVP when his team does not make it out of the group, simply because this 50-5 score changed nothing.
2010-07-12 14:53:59
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#202
Well duh, of course there are other factors, these factors you guys subjectively rate when you watch matches, this is clearly a statistical analysis, so yes a frag is a frag, and over time, the more frags you have, the more likely it is that your team have won the match. Look at the top rated players for all events, see how all the great players end up there? Clearly stats do have something to do with actual performance, but there are of course other factors, but writing off stats completely is just nuts.
2010-07-12 15:28:21
by: Tgwri1s - HLTV.org
#204
You seem to still be missing the point of the stats, the ranking and the article, and you seem to think that we somewhere named f0rest the MVP of the tournament, when we in fact nominated players for MVP exactly based on facts that you are talking about.

Read #201 and my #145...

And just like in any sport, stats don't measure individual moments of brilliance or how hard someone tried or how much they sacrificed themselves for the team, they simply measure numbers they put up in a match.

So based on stats you can see, for example, f0rest seems to have played good, but you know fnatic was out at the quarter-finals, so thanks to stats you can come to a conclusion like:

1) someone else in the team didn't play good. You check and see threat had 0.51 KPR, you compare to f0rest's 0.91 and maybe think that's why they were out so early

2) you're not sure that's the case, so you look at the rest of fnatic, and see GeT_RiGhT and dsn actually played pretty good, so maybe they were just unlucky with the draw to meet NaVi so early. If, for example, they met coL in quarters, they could have been top3, and f0rest an MVP candidate

3) you look at their opponents and see they were weaker than other team's opponents (which I don't think was the case here, but let's say it was), so it was easy for him to have good stats

4) you decide to watch all of his matches at the event and see for yourself if he really was that good

5) anything else...

So, the point of the rating is not to say "f0rest was the best by all means", it's up to you to draw any or all of the above conclusions. It is just pointing out that f0rest played great, and you can't dispute that no matter who he played against or at what stage.

The rating did actually prove to be very good at comparing performances in my opinion, or at least much better than just K/D Ratio. But when there are many players with similar rating like at this event, it's hard to say who was better just based on it. Unlike, say DH Summer where the winners trace and zonic had ratings much better than anyone else, so we can safely say they were the best players there.
2010-07-12 16:09:18
Great reply, +1
2010-07-28 16:27:15
Dude, they don't say f0rest is in the top4 players of the tournament, what drugs are you on? You are looking at the rating rank, which only tells you who played well on their matches, not the best player of the tournament. They choose 4 players as the best players of the tournament (MVP's):

Ioann 'Edward' Sukhariev
Yegor 'markeloff' Markelov
Martin 'trace' Heldt
Rasmus 'Gux' Ståhl

2010-07-12 15:12:22
by: Tgwri1s - HLTV.org
#145
I think you and a few other people misunderstood the article, so maybe this will help someone understand it better.

If what you are implying was the case, then MVP nominees would have been f0rest, sixeR, trace and MAJ3R. Obviously, that is not the case and the players were nominated for different reasons (the reasons being in the comments for each of them and considering their team success).

The ranking of players is done based on stats, because ranking them based on opinion would be kind of pointless, as the only way to really do it properly would be to watch the POV of every player in every match they played and then decide, which is practically impossible.

That's where the stats come in, so we can update our selves on what happened in matches that we didn't watch. The ranking itself serves to single out those who performed best in the matches they played, not compare them with others, so it's up to the observers to interpret the stats however they want and decide who was the best.
2010-07-12 01:27:06
FalleN vs fnatic one of the best POV's I've ever seen.
2010-07-11 22:32:55
Edward MVP no doubt
2010-07-11 22:46:22
SIXER and MAJ3R = INTERNET :D
2010-07-11 22:48:11
trace
2010-07-11 23:05:19
SIXER was awesome :)
2010-07-11 23:14:58
fallen > markeloff =DD
2010-07-11 23:16:17
markeloff awesome :)
2010-07-11 23:32:42
Edward MVP!!!
2010-07-11 23:39:45
"fallen > markeloff" - HAHAHAHA! cool story, bro!

markeloff > dsn, fRoD, fallen, sixeR etc. Just watch games...


MARKELOFF MVP, he played awesome. <3

Post edited 2010-07-11 23:44:13
2010-07-11 23:43:03
1. Gabriel 'FalleN' Toledo FG 70 0.38 54%
2. Yegor 'markeloff' Markelov Na´Vi 101 0.32 39%

:)
2010-07-12 02:32:49
watch the games vs B! or FF when he was close to 1-10 or 2-12, markeloff isn't the most consistent player...
2010-07-12 03:09:20
by: Tgwri1s - HLTV.org
#157
His only bad match in this tournament was against FF when he had 7-23.

Against B! he was 29-20 and also had positive K-D in every other match, so he was the most consistent player in this tournament (along with starix) - as already mentioned in the article :)
2010-07-12 03:25:34
Man, those guys are not god it looks like they can not make any mistake. Have you seen Villa yesterday? he was bad... Well but he played an awesome tournament.
That's the same thing.
2010-07-12 09:37:42
No one said markeloff<FalleN? When it comes to the AWP, it's true. But in general, you can't see FalleN in the top16 right?
2010-07-28 16:28:03
Na`Vi > Spain. >:D

P.S. just joke, no doubt. :P
2010-07-11 23:55:13
rofl

When I read this ranking I thought : "omg, what a dumb ranking, I probably need to scroll down a little bit more and I will find pasha ;)". When I saw him I was like O_O
2010-07-12 00:11:43
HOw come there's no maj3r as entry killer. He was absolutely fucking mad first-fragger
2010-07-12 00:19:21
by: Tgwri1s - HLTV.org
#160
Well, overall he wasn't that great, but maybe in the matches you watched he was. He had total 34 entry kills and 31 entry deaths, while for example sixeR had 46-14.
2010-07-12 03:31:27
You speak about definition of entry killer in this dumb game - dreamteam. The best entry killer for real is the guy who picks first frags. DOT. No matter about his death, he just needs to get in, kill the guy and die. One important entry frag can win you a round.
2010-07-12 13:13:28
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#196
Uh yea, but if you die first instead of frag first there is a 60-80% risk you lose the round, therefore the entry kill / entry death ratio is what matters..
2010-07-12 13:38:20
An entry death isn't counted if you kill the guy first. It's just if you die before killing an opponent.
2010-07-28 16:28:58
weird to see that markeloff was one of the most stable players on the event. personally i think he played really bad the first couple of matches and it wasnt until the latter stages that he started to perform (well).

i guess he performed really well when i wasnt watching :p
2010-07-12 00:27:59
You're right, I remember this game vs Fair frag, it was just horrible.
2010-07-12 09:35:54
Nasdaq
Yea, he is! :P

markeloff MVP

Post edited 2010-07-12 00:37:29
2010-07-12 00:36:26
MVP:
1. markeloff
2. Edward
3. Gux
4. trace



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FF.X-Fi pionas
FF.X-Fi drive
FF.X-Fi BEn
FF.X-Fi dOK
FF.X-Fi LUq
2010-07-12 00:45:56
by: 3d3
#189
u stupid?
2010-07-12 12:43:39
THE BEST AWPERS:

1. markeloff [UKRAINE]
2. FalleN [BRAZIL]
3. sixeR [FRANCE]
4. Delpan [SWEDEN]
5. dsn [SWEDEN]
6. pasha [POLAND]
7. fRoD [UNITED STATES]
8. Sunde [DENMARK]
9. LUq [POLAND]
10. walle [SWEDEN]

Post edited 2010-07-12 00:53:58
2010-07-12 00:49:56
sunde 8 ? you crazy mon =(( sunde is never a worse awper then pasha haha nO FUCKING WAY f0rest is a better awper then pasha, Getright also... and sunde is top3 at least
2010-07-16 21:28:31
So who out of FalleN, sixeR and markeloff is Sunde better than?
2010-07-28 16:30:04
LUq? Wth?
2010-07-28 16:29:45
markeloff
2010-07-12 00:58:40
I think so:

1.markeloff - he realy THE BEST awp'er atm.
2.walle
3.FalleN / sixeR
4.LUq / dsn
5.fRoD / Sunde / pasha
6.Delpan - cuz he is only online "SHOOTER", not lan.

Post edited 2010-07-12 01:04:52
2010-07-12 00:59:28
dreams.
2010-07-12 07:14:58
Delpan has performed on several LANs, and LUq? walle? Wth dude..
2010-07-28 16:30:28
Why does every one has to say who's the best awpers etc.. I mean they are all great and insane players, and that's the most important imo! it's not because one player killed 3 times an other in a row that he his better.

Anyway, amazing job HLTV.org I enjoyed those stats! i'm glad to see majer et sixer well rated :)

f0rest or markeloff MVP !
2010-07-12 01:21:57
the best team of the ESWC :

-Edward
-f0rest
-trace
-Sixer
-Neo
2010-07-12 01:26:20
by: 3d3
#188
Sixer? No...
Delpan:P
2010-07-12 12:42:51
a swedish guy on every list, nice! :-)
2010-07-12 01:40:33
Player : Yegor -markeloff- Markelov
Team : Na´Vi
awp Kills : 101
2010-07-12 01:46:39
FalleN definitely the best AWP even though markeloff is also on a really good form so they are absolutely near each other skill-wise. Still, FalleN surprised me a lot with his reflexes.
2010-07-12 01:59:55
markeloff > FalleN ofc.
2010-07-12 02:42:35
Glad to see sixer and majer proving that people who said "internet" were just fucking blind noobs.
2010-07-12 03:11:29
Amazing job, Tgwri1s. I think to myself how much time you spent with that! :o
2010-07-12 03:30:43
sixer was make a really good tournament !!! he was my mvp!
2010-07-12 03:37:05
fallen > markeloff

if firegamrers were able to play a lot of tournaments like Na'vi,fallen would be by far the top awp of the universe.
firegamers plays 2 maybe 3 international tournaments at year...na'vi play that number in a month.
2010-07-12 04:54:38
Man the thing is fallen nearly only uses awp, markeloff can be a rifler too. Look at markeloff's actions during the tournament, it was just insane, he's the only one able to do that but i've to admit fallen is very too.
Stats don't make everything! And markeloff showed how good he was in the big games vs the best teams in the world and at the most important moments. Fallen didn't that's why you can not say he's better than markeloff. Atm markeloff is the best for sure! Delpan is not so far though.

Post edited 2010-07-12 09:34:03
2010-07-12 09:32:01
Yeah, I agree about the part that FalleN actually is a better AWP player, because he's sick. There's just one big problem, he can't do shit with any other weapon, unlike markeloff who's a great rifler aswell.
2010-07-28 16:31:43
great to see walle back into things! i'm not a big walle fan, but it looked like he was their weakest link by far and a replace was coming by.
2010-07-12 06:18:34
wow good news fallen
2010-07-12 07:40:14
Well with 2 aces in the final, you guys can only vote for markeloff, that's how it works. The MVP is part of the winning team.
Like "ballon d'or" at soccer, you don't give it to someone who didn't win anything even if he's the greatest.
2010-07-12 09:30:30
markeloff played bad in groups, yeah, BUT! He played AMAZING in play-offs. I think he is MVP and he better, then FalleN. But FalleN in good shape too. This Kill'per'Death is stupid, in my humble opinion. :]

Post edited 2010-07-12 10:06:07
2010-07-12 10:03:10
yes, agree with you
other had some newbies teams in their groups and it really helped them in statistic

please make statistic just about play-offs and be shocked from ukrainian skills :)
2010-07-12 12:50:49
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#195
Uh okay, so disregard the stats that are not in favor of Na'Vi to show that Na'Vi is best? Odd way to use statistics..
2010-07-12 13:37:00
i mean groups was drawn unfair
2010-07-12 17:04:04
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#207
Ok, so the top scorer in the World Cup should also only be the one who scores most against the good teams, goals against North Korea wont count? Can you see it makes no sense?
2010-07-12 17:06:34
you don't understand me
everybody here says FOREST THE BEST AIMER, TOP 1 etc. but statistic is not fair and he wasn't top1 or top5 imo at this event.
2010-07-12 23:34:58
But the top scorer isn't rated #1 overall.

Post edited 2010-07-28 16:32:49
2010-07-28 16:32:38
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#240
Uh? He sure is on the list of top scorers..
2010-07-28 17:13:16
Look, his point was that the rating system is here instead of the K/D rating to try to show us who's the best player overall, not only fragwise.

Compare frags to goals, he's saying that a dude fragging against a low team shouldn't be rated better due to that, and I'm saying that the goals count, but it doesn't make the overall rating of that scorer better just because of it. :)
2010-07-28 19:40:22
trace was amazing, but NA´VI were better :)
2010-07-12 10:17:56
Gux played very impressive at ESWC. But markeloff deserves it more.
2010-07-12 10:32:04
best polish at place 16 .... they bad, pure fact
2010-07-12 10:49:49
Markeloff ofc!!!

Post edited 2010-07-12 11:20:39
2010-07-12 11:20:16
1 f0rest
2 markeloff
3 Gux
2010-07-12 11:36:31
Happy to see sixer and majer doing well while so many people said they were onliners.

Happy also to see walle back in the game :p
2010-07-12 11:36:58
f0rest
2010-07-12 11:47:40
every good analysis of eswc event. thats just something more interesting than the event itself.
2010-07-12 12:03:52
dA-KING bit all!!! <3
2010-07-12 12:14:44
by: 3d3
#187
NEO is 16 but Fx is low team...

f0rest n1 :)
2010-07-12 12:40:59
fx is not a low team for me they are the best , but they dont take so serious like navi and fnatic they are more than cs players they are a great family


fx the best
2010-07-12 12:55:30
i specced fallen with awp and he was just pure newbie and even brazil fans were hating on his awp skills.

Markeloff prob decided til event outcome by his outstanding performance with the awp.

stats can be very misleading..
2010-07-12 13:18:06
FalleN has the best awp out there, he has insane movement.

Post edited 2010-07-12 14:53:32
2010-07-12 14:51:54
RLY!
2010-07-13 18:06:36
f0rest is god :)
2010-07-12 16:53:50
MAAAAARKELOFFFFF KING!
2010-07-12 17:59:41
Gux!
2010-07-12 18:12:04
markeloff destroyed ALL.
2010-07-12 18:12:26
:DDD
2010-07-12 18:28:30
Gux, Neo and all navi best aimers :D
2010-07-12 20:54:05
fallen 1 APL GL
2010-07-12 21:18:10
markeloff>all.
2010-07-12 21:29:10
markeloff
2010-07-13 10:27:19
fallen > all
2010-07-13 18:06:13
Forestw0w
2010-07-13 18:09:16
markeloff king :D
2010-07-14 03:25:05
nice job for fallen :D
2010-07-14 03:25:43
MARKELOFF MVP, ofc.
2010-07-14 10:41:39
Gux
2010-07-14 14:56:46
Fucking ESWC!! Bit
2010-07-15 05:18:12
awp kills :
markeloff 101
fallen 70

who is the best??
2010-07-17 16:42:29
by: Jonathan E. - HLTV.org
#228
fallen, stats-wise as said.
2010-07-17 16:45:04
You should either change your ranking system or name the MVP candidates after it imo.

And people saying "You're wrong, markeloff>FalleN!", can't you read at all? FalleN is a better AWPer than markeloff, I promise you, he's by far the best atm, no one has his reflexes, but he can't do shit with any other weapon and that's why markeloff is on the overall top16 and not FalleN. :P
2010-07-28 16:34:26
by: Nomad - HLTV.org
#241
Uh, why change our rating system? It is proving very good at determining a players actual performance.
2010-07-28 17:14:13
Then I think your MVP nominees should be chosen after that rating system. :)
2010-07-28 19:38:11
2010-dA-bEst

2012-04-20 09:13:02
fallen > markeloff
2012-04-20 09:14:12
+1
in all tournaments
2012-04-20 22:12:36
miss minet ;/
2012-04-20 09:17:23
miss mTw
2012-04-20 10:03:22
+1
2012-04-20 21:49:27

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