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ESL bans HLTV.org from EPS Nordic
In a move that came as a total surprise and shock to us today, ESL have decided to ban HLTV.org from showing any matches from EPS Nordic III.
For the past two seasons, and for all other ESL events HLTV.org has been doing our complete coverage, we pioneered our Dreamteam game on EPS Nordic season 2, developing it in a rapid pace to get it ready for the league start, we do weekly stats breakdowns and complete coverage of EPS Germany, and cover all other Pro Series leagues ESL provides. Therefore it was of course a big shock to us as we were informed via the ESL page today that we would not be allowed to show EPS Nordic at all.
The move come without any contact to HLTV.org what so ever offering us to compete with Blank-TV on terms or quality, it was simply made behind our back. In this, for us, very weird move all HLTV rights go to Blank-TV, a German HLTV broadcaster that does not even feature an English site, nor any kind of coverage that can match up against our complete package.
ESL puts emphasis on that this deal will ensure them a dependable partner, we can only speculate how more dependable than showing all matches, running all stats, instantly uploading all demos with stats highlights, and even covering the lan finals of ESL Nordic season 1 on-site.
In short however this will not affect you guys at all, what ever motives ESL might have should not hurt our users, so we will keep doing our match pages, keep doing stats, Dreamteam and so forth, but we can sadly not do anything if the HLTV crashes, gets overloaded, and if demos are lost so could vital stats for the stats section and Dreamteam, but this is the position ESL is forcing us into. Livescore will also not be possible as we will not be receiving server information.
We can only ask that you guys, and the teams, let ESL know what you think of this deal, HLTV.org could throw our weight behind a total boycott of the league and their operations, but we honestly do not think that is fair for the thousands of fans out there who wish not to be part of ESLs plan to keep high quality matches away from the public.
HLTV.org will continue to work with ESL on the other leagues, we understand that EPS Nordic runs of a license holder, and thus is not under direct control by Turtle Entertainment, the company that owns the ESL brand.
looool :s
2010-08-30 22:23:01
wtf explain this please
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2010-08-30 22:23:08
All we know is in the post, ESL didn't talk to us at all before banning us.
2010-08-30 22:24:33
The same guy who created SK-Gaming runs ESL. $$$-$$$
2010-08-31 06:33:12
hahah, those fuckedp up piece uf shit, why collect money like a maniac? why not share the joy and passion for cs, I followed ESL nordic on HLTV.org and this news is the last I will hear about ESL nordic, cause I aint going to othr shit site to get my cs coverage,, lame
2010-08-31 08:24:03
+1
2010-08-31 12:39:50
it's all about money Lebowski
2010-08-31 13:14:23
Personally I can only say I am shocked, for an organisation we have worked with for so long to stab us in the back like this is dirty and has no place in professional esports, I cannot even come up with words for how low this is..
2010-08-30 22:23:52
I'm not really surprised .. you forgot it's the ESL :D
it's all about money
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it's all about money
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2010-08-30 22:26:56
more, its all about the stream views.
2010-08-30 22:34:04
ESL are nothing comparing to HLTV.org coverage , maybe they just want to remove any competition including HLTV.org. They saw that they don't have nothing from you , at least you need to pay for ESL.TV to watch high quality since normal is un watchable
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2010-08-30 22:38:29
ur right dude :D
2010-08-30 23:06:27
They didin't say the reason? :/
2010-08-31 01:52:38
it's all about how stupid you were not agreeing to backlink their shit. It was not much of an effort. Your coverages make some event beautiful and they have to thank you for that, but you have to thank them for creating and hosting events. This is a two-sided agreement and when one side ask something THAT SMALL you shouldn't even think about saying no. You acted stupidly there and you collect the result of it.
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2010-08-31 15:09:48
one more guy who didn't read the news thoroughly eh ?
Just how many times do they have to say it
: IT'S NOT ABOUT THE GODDAMNED BACKLINKING !
EDIT : READ #202
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Just how many times do they have to say it
: IT'S NOT ABOUT THE GODDAMNED BACKLINKING !
EDIT : READ #202
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2010-08-31 15:12:49
Sigh, it is still not about a freaking backlink, READ THE NEWS, please, it is about the way EPS Nordic handled this, the rights were theirs to give, and they have, all we ask is that we be treated with respect as a long time partner, and a long time player on the CS scene.
2010-08-31 15:18:16
I read it all and you obviously seemed too arrogant to meet their demands when they asked it. That's all I'm saying and yes it is all about fucking backlinks. I don't say it was a good move from them to only talk about that partner shit to blank but the fact is you answered like you thought ESL would never work without HLTV.org and surprise, they did it. Okay great you got big balls but wait... Your freaking balls owned yourself. ESL is like wait... 3 billion times bigger than HLTV.org and you guys thought you could act like you had the cards in your hands but the fact is no, you don't. They asked some shit you didn't want it they thought ok fu hltv there's another provider (oh jesus they are german even better!) so let's go and GTFO HLTV.org. Thats what happened. Now you cry and that's what I'm pointing out. :)
2010-08-31 15:57:07
You are so way off, have you seen the logs? Do you know what we talked about? flabbert says he will return with his demands later, which he never did.. Why would I think HLTV.org was bigger than ESL? But what would the point of HLTV.org be if ESL made the decision on what to advertise on our site?
ESL went for a lower quality alternative without even trying to talk to us, that is the final word, and I just think it is sad for the spectators, HLTV.org will do coverage as always and save the HLTV bandwidth, our webhits will be the same, so our advertisers will still be happy, so I fail to see exactly what we lost.. Maybe you did not notice, but 95% of HLTV.org these days is coverage and not HLTV hosting..
It is fair you don't like us, but at least look at the case objectively, you can always subjectively hate us on other accounts if that is what you want, HLTV.org has always been very fair when dealing with our long term partners, I think you will find other organisations like e-Stars, Arbalet, ESWC and such will confirm that, so what you are basing all your hate on is beyond me.
ESL went for a lower quality alternative without even trying to talk to us, that is the final word, and I just think it is sad for the spectators, HLTV.org will do coverage as always and save the HLTV bandwidth, our webhits will be the same, so our advertisers will still be happy, so I fail to see exactly what we lost.. Maybe you did not notice, but 95% of HLTV.org these days is coverage and not HLTV hosting..
It is fair you don't like us, but at least look at the case objectively, you can always subjectively hate us on other accounts if that is what you want, HLTV.org has always been very fair when dealing with our long term partners, I think you will find other organisations like e-Stars, Arbalet, ESWC and such will confirm that, so what you are basing all your hate on is beyond me.
2010-08-31 16:03:57
and why didn't you just put their links in your coverage, nothing would change but the esl maybe gets a few more clicks. in my eyes both sides act like little children and the community has to pay for it. :(
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2010-08-31 18:42:42
well no, in fact I really like this site, I visit it everyday. The point is that you blame ESL as the only responsible for this. But I'm quite sure it's not. I might have expressed myself wrong but I simply totally share Binteh's opinion. As I said on SK-Gaming, I'm disappointed. But what feels wrong in this is that you just put everything on ESL's back which is probably wrong. You guys maybe reacted harshly just as flabbert mentioned and that's probably what led to this situation. Would you also please ignore my second post, as I was in a total adrenaline rush when I wrote it and kind of wrote shit without thinking :D. This is a situation where every side say it's the other's fault and this surely means it's both sides' fault. That's what I wanted to mean in the first place. :)
2010-08-31 20:49:36
fuck it, boycot them!
2010-08-30 22:24:13
+1337
2010-08-30 22:36:40
+n
really.
really.
2010-08-30 22:52:38
First we can't watch good matches & secondo we couldn't have the stats etc that could make Dreamteam possible? stfu ESL
2010-08-30 22:25:04
Gentleman's light your torches...
2010-08-30 22:25:34
At my signal unleash the hell
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2010-08-30 22:51:41
What movie is that from?? i forgot.. lol
2010-08-31 05:41:05
think that's 300
2010-08-31 12:41:54
THIS... IS... HLTV!!!
2010-08-31 13:05:51
The shade of a thousand ip's descend upon you! :)
2010-08-31 13:09:19
Gladiator :)
2010-08-31 17:07:36
Gladiator :P
2010-08-31 16:23:21
yep thats gladiator :-)
2010-08-31 17:06:32
Esl has, is and will always be a complete fucking joke.
2010-08-30 22:25:54
+200%
2010-08-31 17:11:55
buuuu
2010-08-30 22:26:18
not watching then
2010-08-30 22:27:10
ok now this is a total CRAP!ESL are forcing us to watch fucking crap quality matches.it's like in fucking comunism...FU esl!
2010-08-30 22:29:52
LOL??? ESL wants only stream ? :|
2010-08-30 22:30:18
It seems that Blank-TV will be the HLTV producer. If they allow us to watch the games on the HLTV I have no idea.
2010-08-30 22:33:06
stinks of politics
2010-08-30 22:30:51
this fucking sucks, how dumb can they fucking be? Seriously, i mean, How can this increase their Stream views? everyone will hate ESL from now on.
Joe Miller go to hltv and make a stream for them instead
PS pardon my language, just frustrated.
Post edited 2010-08-30 22:33:10
Joe Miller go to hltv and make a stream for them instead
PS pardon my language, just frustrated.
Post edited 2010-08-30 22:33:10
2010-08-30 22:31:37
I think they will increase their stream views.
A part of the people who are used to watch the matches from HLTV are going to use stream, perhaps not you, not me, but they are going to!
No offense dude :)
A part of the people who are used to watch the matches from HLTV are going to use stream, perhaps not you, not me, but they are going to!
No offense dude :)
2010-08-31 10:30:12
Is there any money behind their decision?
2010-08-30 22:31:47
for sure Blank-TV paid a little
2010-08-30 22:43:15
in general HLTV.org wasnt paying them ?
2010-08-30 22:47:23
propobly not
2010-08-30 22:49:38
I know ESL has erred but I don't really understand why back-linking to ESL match page (even if it is a badly done page) for an ESL-organized tournament is such a huge deal for HLTV...
Can someone explain?
Can someone explain?
2010-08-30 22:56:38
Seems like ESL doesn't care about the huge cs 1.6 world wide fans. This is ridiculous.
2010-08-30 22:32:01
ESL is pure bullshit.
2010-08-30 22:32:05
That was lame EPS, complete BS! I'm not following EPS anymore. We all shoud stop following them to support HLTV!
2010-08-30 22:32:28
its not like Im going to boycot, but if it isnt posted on HLTV.org, it isnt worth anything anyway lol, esl FAIL flabbert
2010-08-31 08:42:59
didnt see that one coming
rly not fair from their side :/
rly not fair from their side :/
2010-08-30 22:33:10
i've allready said that ESL is going for that crappy ESL TV so they eventyally will ban every hltv broadcaster except their own. I wonder how players and their organisations feel about it. Dont think so that their goal is to loose major community just because ESL bots sux big time.
p.s. u have owngoal.org website. Apply hltv there :)))) Different website - different broadcaster.
p.s. u have owngoal.org website. Apply hltv there :)))) Different website - different broadcaster.
2010-08-30 22:33:35
Not watching then, just 2 stupid guys speaking germany like a idiots and his stream.
HLTV.org <3.
HLTV.org <3.
2010-08-30 22:33:35
Actually they speak english during EPS nordic with Joe miller.
2010-08-30 22:36:20
Joe <3
2010-08-30 22:49:58
i thing they did that because the want more ppl to watch esl tv or something like that.
2010-08-30 22:34:37
STUPID ESL !!!, go boycot !
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2010-08-30 22:35:50
loooooooooooooooooooooool
2010-08-30 22:36:06
ESL TV JUST SUX!! Nobody look that shit.
I always say German Tournamentes, leagues and everything just sux.
I always say German Tournamentes, leagues and everything just sux.
2010-08-30 22:36:36
bullshit...somebody donate brains to ESL to recognize what is good for them and for the game...
I am not going to pass any judgement on blank-tv (since i don't know much about them) but banning hltv.org without informing is just wrong...especially when they have worked together for so long.
What HLTV has been doing qualifies both as great and dependable coverage..I don't know what ESL is smoking...
I guess they will only learn when they see utter failure.
I am not going to pass any judgement on blank-tv (since i don't know much about them) but banning hltv.org without informing is just wrong...especially when they have worked together for so long.
What HLTV has been doing qualifies both as great and dependable coverage..I don't know what ESL is smoking...
I guess they will only learn when they see utter failure.
2010-08-30 22:36:44
I'm always defending ESL when there is some controversy with the rules etc. but this is retarded. Well anyway, if you guys will still be doing your thing most people will just follow the league here so the joke is on them.
2010-08-30 22:37:15
Shot themselves in the foot there. Blank-TV's site is so shitty and horribly laid out. ESL's stream is terrible quality, even if you have premium
I aint gonna bother watching the matches, would rather read about them on HLTV. Just sort out some sponsors and run your own tournament :P
I aint gonna bother watching the matches, would rather read about them on HLTV. Just sort out some sponsors and run your own tournament :P
2010-08-30 22:37:29
esl is pure bullshit
2010-08-30 22:37:34
Boycott ESL!
2010-08-30 22:38:50
they just want to force ESLtv.. :P
2010-08-30 22:39:27
fuck esl, hltv rocks
2010-08-30 22:39:30
Omg, this is bullshit. L to the OL
2010-08-30 22:39:38
go creat a group's in facebook ...ect to show that we (fan's) are very shocked :s
2010-08-30 22:39:38
ESL > TeG.
2010-08-30 22:39:57
Quite entertaining newspost you have here, ok, lets get things a bit more straight.
I contacted Nix from HLTV.org in early/mid may about the issues that they did not in any way backlink from their HLTV to our matches, and we in ESL Nordic asked kindly whether they would be able to do so. We got declined quite harshly, then in early/mid june I approached Nomad/Nix again with an offer of them becoming exclusive HLTV provider for nordic if they gave us some simple backlinks in return, and linked to our matches. Once again the rebuttal was direct, and I gathered that HLTV.org were simply not interested in such a deal, and went to another provider, which in this case was Blank-TV, Blank-TV were happy to accomodate our request to become the exclusive HLTV partner and we agreed on terms that both parties could live with swiftly, which led to us agreeing terms, and setting up the deal.
We did not ban HLTV.org from anything we simply gave the rights which are ours to give, to someone else. This newspost, and the conversations I had with some HLTV.org staff proves that it was the correct move to do so.
This comment is also posted on ESL Nordic Pro Series Page.
I contacted Nix from HLTV.org in early/mid may about the issues that they did not in any way backlink from their HLTV to our matches, and we in ESL Nordic asked kindly whether they would be able to do so. We got declined quite harshly, then in early/mid june I approached Nomad/Nix again with an offer of them becoming exclusive HLTV provider for nordic if they gave us some simple backlinks in return, and linked to our matches. Once again the rebuttal was direct, and I gathered that HLTV.org were simply not interested in such a deal, and went to another provider, which in this case was Blank-TV, Blank-TV were happy to accomodate our request to become the exclusive HLTV partner and we agreed on terms that both parties could live with swiftly, which led to us agreeing terms, and setting up the deal.
We did not ban HLTV.org from anything we simply gave the rights which are ours to give, to someone else. This newspost, and the conversations I had with some HLTV.org staff proves that it was the correct move to do so.
This comment is also posted on ESL Nordic Pro Series Page.
2010-08-30 22:40:19
You asked us to put links to some horrible match page on the ESL site on our site, this we refused as it made no sense, your page provided nothing ours did not already, and we kept on going for season 2. You then again approached me at some point saying you were looking into something different from season 3, I told you where HLTV.org stood and we stopped talking, there was never any offer, any talks or anything official, so take your lies elsewhere. We'll keep doing our coverage, and you'll keep getting no back links, enjoy the PR.
2010-08-30 22:43:19
BEEP BEEP NIXONS DRIVING THE SCHOOL BUS AND TAKING FLABBERT TO SCHOOL
2010-08-30 23:04:11
Well that's Nomad... anyway.
2010-08-30 23:19:28
Well as far as Im concerned, how the site looks is irrelevant, but the publicity the site gets because of the backlink is relevant. You didn't approve that obviously, a pity because that could be a good deal for both sides when ESL generates more hits because of the backlink.
It's weird that you didn't see the point in backlinking, cause who wouldn't? Even if you think worse/better about the site you link too.
It's weird that you didn't see the point in backlinking, cause who wouldn't? Even if you think worse/better about the site you link too.
2010-08-30 23:20:40
It is not really about the backlink, it is about first flabbert giving me an ultimatum, when we were suppose to be partners, and he then comes out of nowhere threatening us, I then told him we could probably meet some demands, but I one didn't like his tone and two reminded him that HLTV.org wasn't some subsite of ESL that he could just push around, he then decided to not at ALL contact us with any specifics and just go totally behind our backs.
2010-08-30 23:23:16
Why is a simple backlink such a problem?
I'm loving HLTV.org but that is pretty much ur own fault :/
I'm loving HLTV.org but that is pretty much ur own fault :/
2010-08-31 11:31:16
www.hltv.org/?pageid=18&threadid=52694#r1066358
2010-08-31 11:46:13
ESL have sponsors and advertisements, and without backlinking to their website, you are cutting them out of the picture.
Surely its their right to have a share of the traffic?
Gutted though :(
Surely its their right to have a share of the traffic?
Gutted though :(
2010-08-31 16:07:12
So without a backlink all the constant attention we throw ESL's way is useless? How about that big banner right on the front page saying ESL? You know other brands are paying good money to have their brands exposed like that, so do not just default to that we give ESL nothing back. Also do not forget that we already caved on the demand that we did not broadcast HLTV on all the interesting matches where they wanted streams, e.g. the final. We had to put our foot down somewhere, but ironically we didn't even do that, as there were never any negotiations, a backlink was never out of the question, but if I were to put such a thing I'd need guarantees like that they wouldn't come back next year asking for banners, but seeing as ESL Nordic never saw it fit to contact us at all such negotiations never took place.
We have been in this game for more than 8 years, we have very good relations with all the big events, I am a little sad that you just default to side of ESL here and think we just slammed the door on them..
We have been in this game for more than 8 years, we have very good relations with all the big events, I am a little sad that you just default to side of ESL here and think we just slammed the door on them..
2010-08-31 16:11:32
im not defaulting to their side.
I dont think you should have linked to Blank-TV's site though, then when the ESL Matches are only getting 10 spectators, ESL will come back.
I'm just stating that a back listing doesn't seem like that much of a big request.
I do see your point though, and they should draw up a contract over who gets the rights to save things like this happening in the future.
I dont think you should have linked to Blank-TV's site though, then when the ESL Matches are only getting 10 spectators, ESL will come back.
I'm just stating that a back listing doesn't seem like that much of a big request.
I do see your point though, and they should draw up a contract over who gets the rights to save things like this happening in the future.
2010-08-31 20:53:03
Yeah, shit talking like exclusive is not a ban etc...
2010-08-30 22:46:12
I don´t see anything wrong at doing this. Maybe it will slow down the fan community a bit, as the Blank-TV does not support the only-english-speaking users, but the rights are in their hands, they found someone who accepted their requirements.
Small advice for you guys. Always, always try to get to know both side´s statements, as your opinion won´t be equitable. What´s kinda noticeable on this site.
I´m not defending ESL right now, I´m just saying my opinion after I read HLTV´s statement as well as the one posted by ESL.
Small advice for you guys. Always, always try to get to know both side´s statements, as your opinion won´t be equitable. What´s kinda noticeable on this site.
I´m not defending ESL right now, I´m just saying my opinion after I read HLTV´s statement as well as the one posted by ESL.
2010-08-30 22:59:22
you are the only league/event that is making trouble with HLTV, you just think about money, not fans, imo this move wont bring you more fans
2010-08-30 23:00:27
There is no money involved btw :) Just so you know the facts before you answere next time
When "hltv.org" doesnt want to share the advertisement its clearly a bad deal for ESL. "Hltv.org" will end up with all the hits and ESL wont get any attention to their leagues. Can you honestly say that ESL should have said "yes" to a deal like that?
"Hltv.org - Well, we want all the advertisement for ourselves. Thats ok for you right?"
"Esl - Ehhh. no"
Simple
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When "hltv.org" doesnt want to share the advertisement its clearly a bad deal for ESL. "Hltv.org" will end up with all the hits and ESL wont get any attention to their leagues. Can you honestly say that ESL should have said "yes" to a deal like that?
"Hltv.org - Well, we want all the advertisement for ourselves. Thats ok for you right?"
"Esl - Ehhh. no"
Simple
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2010-08-31 19:37:33
Not sure about you but I at least would have backlinked to this news thread in order to let the ESL site users know what you are talking about.
2010-08-30 23:28:57
GL mate, you'll lose fame and fans, anyway... ESL sucks :D
2010-08-30 23:42:28
loose fame , flabbert? lolol, what can he loose he has nothing
2010-08-31 08:35:32
flabbert <3
you did nothing wrong. as we can see now, it was the right move.
you did nothing wrong. as we can see now, it was the right move.
2010-08-30 23:44:44
A selfish german not looking at the whole picture. Surprise.
2010-08-31 00:39:39
+1
2010-08-31 00:57:32
Yeah, very fucking nice to do coverage on af stupid german site, BECAUSE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS GERMAN?! Germans are so selfish
2010-08-31 00:48:55
Just becuase you are from germany and understand some stream shows we other cant.
2010-08-31 10:25:51
Enjoy your german only auditory than mr. flabbert. EPS NORDIC with a german HLTV provider. Yeah sounds right... or not. Instead of making problems for some "backlinks" you can overcome your ego (or ESL's ego since you're a representative)and start acting like adults. There have been so many issues with ESL ONLY so I wont bother talking about your respect for the fans since there isn't any at all.
2010-08-30 23:52:04
ESL = Eventually Sucking Liars :)
2010-08-30 23:56:14
I wonder how many HLTV users can read German. If you need backlinks to your website, you can as well have the site put up in English. HLTV clearly says that posts not in English will be deleted.
2010-08-31 06:58:15
Bra du skyt dæ sjøl i foten med det her. Nice to shoot yourself in your leg. Congratz. Another stupid move by the incompetent ESL-staff.
2010-09-02 16:18:23
Bravo esl :D
2010-08-30 22:40:26
H@H@H@H@HH@H@H@H@H@H@H@HH@H@H@H
beat ESL
beat ESL
2010-08-30 22:41:39
wow, blank site. PEOPLE FROM EUROPE/INTERNATIONAL
SPEAKS GERMAN.... GOOD JOB.
SPEAKS GERMAN.... GOOD JOB.
2010-08-30 22:42:48
don't you have german in school?
2010-08-30 23:00:19
nope this is america why would we learn german.....
2010-08-30 23:09:36
i talked to my "neighbor" .. :<
but even as american, why not? it's always good to speak another language.
but even as american, why not? it's always good to speak another language.
2010-08-30 23:15:40
Tbh we did got German and I dislike it very much. Imperfekt I/II, goodness me. :p
2010-08-30 23:26:14
Spanish > German
2010-08-30 23:37:28
It should be banned all over the world to learn ur language, except in Germany ofcourse. Then maybe u could understand, that english is the shit, and start using it.
2010-08-31 00:52:03
I can speak five languages, but not German. I've never found it necessary to learn it.
2010-08-31 06:59:16
you are lucky because there was a time when german became almost the national language in america :)
2010-08-31 07:15:34
oh what a pathetic comment, dont bring old times here, we got 2010 already dude
2010-08-31 10:38:47
but it's true^^
2010-08-31 12:32:28
if germany had their way german would be spoken all over the world. luckily it isn't.
English is the language of the international community, not only in e-sports but around the world in everything. For this reason, international news sites should be in English.
English is the language of the international community, not only in e-sports but around the world in everything. For this reason, international news sites should be in English.
2010-08-31 12:51:49
what i meant wasnt about the war-.-
shortly after usa became independent, they had to decide for the national language. either german or english...there's a myth that english won with 1 vote b4 german
shortly after usa became independent, they had to decide for the national language. either german or english...there's a myth that english won with 1 vote b4 german
2010-08-31 13:09:02
The 3 most important languages in the planet: English, Spanish and then French, why were we suposed to learn german o.o?
2010-08-30 23:43:48
did i say anything about that? :x
it's a nice to have like russian or chinese.
it's a nice to have like russian or chinese.
2010-08-30 23:52:11
Even Chinese is more important than German, because Mandarin is the most spoken language in the world.
2010-08-31 10:47:24
ESL always sucked in my opinion, and were always favoring Germans, as German companies sponsor them. This move is ridiculous in my opinion. I met few blank-tv guys, and they are ok, have nothing against them, but it's very simple...If you want to organize events world-wide, and have them FULLY covered, than it's quite clear who should do the job. There is only one site that can do it, and that of course is HLTV.org. My suggestion, BAN all ESL competitions. HLTV.org can run without few of their cups, which are losing respect rapidly btw, but doubt ESL can run without spectators, people, fans, players who join ESL via this page mostly etc.
2010-08-30 22:42:59
they have their reasons.. they get most of their money from germans so you also must understand this point of view but like i said, imo this wasn't a fair move.
edit: you must also see, 1.6 isn't all at ESL. cs on international base is just a little part of it so it will not hurt them a lot :/
Post edited 2010-08-30 22:59:07
edit: you must also see, 1.6 isn't all at ESL. cs on international base is just a little part of it so it will not hurt them a lot :/
Post edited 2010-08-30 22:59:07
2010-08-30 22:57:30
But also they should have been aware that they get teams/players from sites like this (if not only) because of their coverage. It's all connected...spectators will start to avoid ESL now, teams/players will probably follow, and than SURELY no sponsor will want to sponsor site where nothing is happening.
2010-08-30 23:01:27
"The move come without any contact to HLTV.org what so ever offering us to compete with Blank-TV on terms or quality."
Wow, pure bollocks. They could've atleast talk to HLTV.org. :S
Wow, pure bollocks. They could've atleast talk to HLTV.org. :S
2010-08-30 22:43:18
One big facepalm to ESL.
2010-08-30 22:44:40
GL with getting money from only germans. They can either choose whole world or german watches. GJ ESL. Aint gonna watch no mataches.
2010-08-30 22:44:54
~80%+ of esltv viewers are german because most shows are in german, so why not? :D
but well, this move isn't really fair.
but well, this move isn't really fair.
2010-08-30 22:54:08
esl just know money, biggest piece of shit in the internet.
2010-08-30 22:45:14
guys there are more matches than just ESL so fuckem
2010-08-30 22:46:24
www.twolvesblog.com/images/stories/wh-double-facepalm.jpg
White house double face palm :D
Post edited 2010-08-30 22:51:38
White house double face palm :D
Post edited 2010-08-30 22:51:38
2010-08-30 22:47:54
+1 Lol hahahhaha
2010-08-31 15:14:54
No comments ESL, you have made your own bed, now prepare to suffer the consequences
2010-08-30 22:48:12
+1
2010-08-30 22:49:17
ESL you done goofed. Consequences will never be the same!
2010-08-30 22:56:34
This is really low, my idea is that you guys at HLTV.org make your own league with sponsors with good prizes and so on. HLTV LEAGUE SEASON 1, with diffrent leagues. Write to me if you guys like my idea :DDD
2010-08-30 22:48:24
I GOT COMPETITION! Guess how many Blank-TV paid to ESL?!
ESL used to be great idea for esport. But now they just dont care about esports, players or fans. The only thing they care about it money and sponsors. Sad but true
HLTV.org rulez!
ESL used to be great idea for esport. But now they just dont care about esports, players or fans. The only thing they care about it money and sponsors. Sad but true
HLTV.org rulez!
2010-08-30 22:48:59
I doubt Blank-TV paid anything, they are just ESL's pawn in this game..
2010-08-30 22:54:56
they agreed on that backlinks.. pathetic
2010-08-30 23:04:44
You shouldn't really comment on Blank when you don't know much about them and what they did in this case.
The erring party here is ESL. Don't generalize and just put everyone in the same basket without explanation.
The erring party here is ESL. Don't generalize and just put everyone in the same basket without explanation.
2010-08-31 15:24:20
about 100,000 $? or more
2010-08-30 22:50:03
This is MADNESS!
2010-08-30 22:50:46
I actually watched this stream time to time even though how annoying and awful Thorin is. After this shady move, I sure as hell wont tune in to their stream anymore.
2010-08-30 22:51:44
nice nick
2010-08-30 22:54:45
haha :D nice
2010-08-30 22:53:40
9 Comments on ESL page ... 102 here
See the difference =DD
wake up ESL :D
See the difference =DD
wake up ESL :D
2010-08-30 22:53:51
+1
2010-08-30 22:55:13
+2
2010-08-30 22:55:57
+3
2010-08-30 23:17:02
The fun part is that most of the comments at the ESL pages laugh at ESL's move.
2010-08-30 23:01:15
all coments.. except one.. made from a admin
2010-08-30 23:51:52
LOL!!
2010-08-31 15:34:20
i give ESL 2 more years
2010-08-30 22:55:03
ELS has no reason to do this to HLTV.org. I can't see why and what ESL earn on this decision. Bad, realy bad..
2010-08-30 22:55:29
boycot their fucking face hltv.org is the best coverage site for cs
2010-08-30 22:56:02
oh my god
what the f**k????
i can't believe that
Post edited 2010-08-30 22:56:33
what the f**k????
i can't believe that
Post edited 2010-08-30 22:56:33
2010-08-30 22:56:17
Fuck off ESL. I don't like you anymore.
But Joe Miller is awesome ofc.
But Joe Miller is awesome ofc.
2010-08-30 22:57:13
+1 Joe miller
2010-08-30 22:57:57
I also like HLTV.org more than Blank-TV but it was a normal request to do some backlinking. Because of all the great competitions ESL host hltv.org gets the opportunity to do coverage about them.
I know it's a lot of work for the great guys at hltv.org and most of the people wouldn't even touch the backlinking button but it's all about the gesture you make.
It's a shame 2 grown-ups need to discuss this in an comment. Just meet at one of your offices and i'm 100 percent sure we can have HLTV.org at EPS.
I know it's a lot of work for the great guys at hltv.org and most of the people wouldn't even touch the backlinking button but it's all about the gesture you make.
It's a shame 2 grown-ups need to discuss this in an comment. Just meet at one of your offices and i'm 100 percent sure we can have HLTV.org at EPS.
2010-08-30 22:59:15
This wasn't about a backlink, for all I care we could have done this on the right terms, but to first threaten us with an ultimatum, and then afterwards just do a deal totally behind our backs is classless all around, hell they didn't even tell us about this, we had to find it on their page ourselves, how is that for manners..
2010-08-30 23:03:50
yeah, the way you had to find out is rediculous... But nobody discusses with you about that point. It's was a really bad PR move of ESL but they need the hits for a starting EPS in Nordic, i guess....
2010-08-30 23:07:29
Reminds me of when zneel got kicked out of SK, he had no idea and just read the news on rakaka.se lol.
2010-08-30 23:21:29
ROFL
2010-08-30 23:24:27
LOL! thats sucks
2010-08-31 15:42:29
I totally agree but its more than classless to drop around some posts since you are an ambassador of your product. I understand the rage but you consider to express it more wisely.
2010-08-30 23:54:44
I have done nothing but write the position of me and HLTV.org in my posts, if you look around HLTV.org you will notice that all admins are very active in the forums, this is our way of interacting with our community, we'd rather include the community in our thoughts and what goes on than just post it from faceless newsposts, each to their own, but this is our style.
2010-08-30 23:56:41
I also think this is because EPS Nordic is in it's starting fase (3rd season) and they have dissapointing stats and they hope with some backlinking to get some increase in the numbers. So big sponsors also would join the Nordic party and it can grow with all the big names.
ESL Nordic can't show the HLTV.org stats to the sponsors. So they need a big site like hltv.org to help them to get bigger by backlinking.
I'm sure that if HLTV.org asked something else in return ESL would help them also.
It's all about communication, i think.
ESL Nordic can't show the HLTV.org stats to the sponsors. So they need a big site like hltv.org to help them to get bigger by backlinking.
I'm sure that if HLTV.org asked something else in return ESL would help them also.
It's all about communication, i think.
2010-08-30 23:05:34
Sure it may be tough to be ESL, but being HLTV.org is no picnik either, is fragbite, SK and other sites being asked to provide backlinks to ESL also? Why on us? And why not actually sit down and talk to us about it instead of doing a deal behind our backs.. Truth be told, had they asked nicely I probably would have given them backlinks..
2010-08-30 23:10:57
I understand that it's no picnic for u guys. I work at a community/coverage site also. They just needed the boost for EPS Nordic i guess because it has (in potential) more to offer than the biggest EPS (germany). I think they just needed a boost in hits for the Nordic version and tried to be the "big guy" with no communications and switch of partner.
But in the end you'll all need eachother to keep CS1.6 going.
Your comment about SK is easy i think. SK helped them with "behind the screens" where ESLtv follows the SK players around events and how they act when they are not behind the screens.
But in the end you'll all need eachother to keep CS1.6 going.
Your comment about SK is easy i think. SK helped them with "behind the screens" where ESLtv follows the SK players around events and how they act when they are not behind the screens.
2010-08-30 23:20:03
I don't completely follow the business with backlinks and all and if they did threaten HLTV.org then it's wrong, but there's always two sides to a story - weren't HLTV.org the default / exclusive HLTV providers? Maybe that's why they wanted those backlinks from you? You two need eachother to function.
I don't see anywhere in ESL's post where they have "banned" hltv.org from anything, but rather given the hltv broadcast rights to blank-tv. You can still cover the event, just not as well as it could have been covered and I'm sure there's a better way to communicate that than trying to turn the community on ESL. The saying "don't bite the hand that feeds you" comes to mind. They run events, you cover them.
Just look on the bright side and be happy HLTV.org is in a position to cover all these events.
Cliffs: your post isn't very diplomatic even if esl are in the wrong and comes off as a whinge more than anything.
<3 hltv.org
Post edited 2010-08-31 07:13:52
I don't see anywhere in ESL's post where they have "banned" hltv.org from anything, but rather given the hltv broadcast rights to blank-tv. You can still cover the event, just not as well as it could have been covered and I'm sure there's a better way to communicate that than trying to turn the community on ESL. The saying "don't bite the hand that feeds you" comes to mind. They run events, you cover them.
Just look on the bright side and be happy HLTV.org is in a position to cover all these events.
Cliffs: your post isn't very diplomatic even if esl are in the wrong and comes off as a whinge more than anything.
<3 hltv.org
Post edited 2010-08-31 07:13:52
2010-08-31 07:12:32
Seeing how we both hosted the HLTV last season and this season only blank can I think ban is a fair choice of words. This is not at all about backlinks, this is about the way ESL handled it, this post merely explains that we will NOT be hosting HLTV anymore, and that we are rather surprised, and we think everyone should see how ESL Nordic decided to treat their partners.. And my post is as diplomatic as the situation calls for, ESL Nordic completely disrespected us, they will so they are of course not getting any favors from us.
Why should HLTV.org have to backlink to ESL if fragbite, SK and such do not? Simply because we provide a better service than them? We accept that ESL has chosen to cut us out of the HLTV hosting, and we are informing the community what that means, and we are making sure everyone knows that we didn't request something crazy, or put put our foot down on some demand, we were simply never asked.
Why should HLTV.org have to backlink to ESL if fragbite, SK and such do not? Simply because we provide a better service than them? We accept that ESL has chosen to cut us out of the HLTV hosting, and we are informing the community what that means, and we are making sure everyone knows that we didn't request something crazy, or put put our foot down on some demand, we were simply never asked.
2010-08-31 11:12:38
Hei Nomad! The problem here is not ESL at all, The problem is that the guy your dealing with is ESL|flabbert. The guy is a powerhungry admin. Always has been always will be! I know this from personal experinces with him both in ESL NORDIC and as LAN admin. His lack in social skills irl i guess is propably the reason. And him being a staff member of ESL.. I mean ESL must support there members of staff i guess. But they propably don't know what a powerhungry selvcentered idiot he is. :D NO OFFENCE FLABBY should've been banned from all cs activties long time ago.
2010-08-31 15:42:02
ESL Nordic may not have the stats but can explain to sponsors their matches are exclusively covered by one of the largest computer esports new organization out there. As I said in another post, it is like dropping ESPN for local networks. The sponsors will get a hell of a lot less from this along with ESL.
Post edited 2010-08-30 23:13:14
Post edited 2010-08-30 23:13:14
2010-08-30 23:11:47
Sponsors don't care about what states on another website. The sponsor name is on the EPS Nordic site. So if everybody follows the matches on another site, nobody will see their name and they will not give a lot of money for that ad or banner or name mentioning.
2010-08-30 23:23:45
Well then they could rename the league for instance.. We always call ENC ASUS ENC, same goes for the Intel Extreme Masters, so really, there are other ways of getting your sponsors exposed than pissing off the largest CS 1.6 site in the world.. :)
2010-08-30 23:54:17
true, that's possible but EPS is the "crown master work" of the ESL so it would not be likely that a sponsor in the name will happen (otherwise it would have allready happend in other EPS).
I think both have reasonable arguments about the discussion, only ESL acted like a b*tch without manners and that is not a lot of class from a big company as ESL. So you feel like you have been treated like a child and HLTV.org have proven that it deserves more than that behavior.
I still hope you both get the middle road and find a solution because CS1.6 is the only real esports we got left. GL in the future for HLTV.org and ESL!
I think both have reasonable arguments about the discussion, only ESL acted like a b*tch without manners and that is not a lot of class from a big company as ESL. So you feel like you have been treated like a child and HLTV.org have proven that it deserves more than that behavior.
I still hope you both get the middle road and find a solution because CS1.6 is the only real esports we got left. GL in the future for HLTV.org and ESL!
2010-08-31 00:10:17
If ESL wants to talk they can just come talk to us, but we will not beg to get the rights back, there are other fish in the sea, and I think it is unfair that HLTV.org should be punished for having good matchpages, fragbite, SK and such do not backlink EPS matches either, so why should we? And again, if the whole thing was just a simple backlink, then we could certainly discuss it, but ESL never gave us anything concrete..
2010-08-31 00:13:00
But there's a difference between ESL and the licence holder from ESL Nordic. We got the same thing here in the Benelux. I think that the owner of Turtle Entertainment will stab someone in the chest tommorow on the office ^^.
2010-08-31 00:28:39
Yes, but they muddied their waters themselves, how exactly do we know if we are talking to Turtle or to a license holder? All we know is they are EPS Nordic, we have added a clarification to the newspost so people understands this is only EPS Nordic, but I think Turtle themselves are at fault here making it very hard to figure out what parts of the ESL brand they themselves control.. I'd hate for this to have any consequences with our work with Turtle, but we had to inform our users why we suddenly would not bring HLTV for EPS Nordic anymore..
2010-08-31 00:31:38
offcourse, informing your users is number one priority and nobody will blame you for this.
2010-08-31 00:36:25
Dont you think is because you were their HLTV provider? and other websites are just giving news?
Maybe they really had to do it in a better way. Maybe they did. and from what what I read, you said you would not backlink a "horrible" website.
You can't take the advantage of being the biggest CS1.6 website by rejecting requests leagues like ESL ask. Since without these leagues, what is HLTV.org? would HLTV.org be as big as it is now?
I think everything started after you rejected their request. So when it comes to real business they go with the best partner.
I would say 99.9% of all people saying they wont follow the league, would be there watching. we follow leagues not because HLTV.org host them, but because we are fans of the organizations/teams/game
Maybe they really had to do it in a better way. Maybe they did. and from what what I read, you said you would not backlink a "horrible" website.
You can't take the advantage of being the biggest CS1.6 website by rejecting requests leagues like ESL ask. Since without these leagues, what is HLTV.org? would HLTV.org be as big as it is now?
I think everything started after you rejected their request. So when it comes to real business they go with the best partner.
I would say 99.9% of all people saying they wont follow the league, would be there watching. we follow leagues not because HLTV.org host them, but because we are fans of the organizations/teams/game
2010-08-31 07:18:38
u couldnt say better!
2010-08-31 07:20:33
Ya, your word got half of point.
For example , if HLTV.org have no EPS event coverage,lots of CS fans and I couldn't know about the Germany player except mouz/attax.All because of hltv.org I found there were so many Germany players and teams as gerdi gore roman mooN ODIE chrizzo b4d ninja .
Without HLTV.org maybe people in somewhere only recognize Johnny R.
Either ESL or HLTV, is to allow players to enjoy the event. They would have for the media website, the problem is on the sponsor. They are together in this industry which is on the verge of decline and promoting each other, why fight each other ?
sry for my poor english , but I think you will understand :P
For example , if HLTV.org have no EPS event coverage,lots of CS fans and I couldn't know about the Germany player except mouz/attax.All because of hltv.org I found there were so many Germany players and teams as gerdi gore roman mooN ODIE chrizzo b4d ninja .
Without HLTV.org maybe people in somewhere only recognize Johnny R.
Either ESL or HLTV, is to allow players to enjoy the event. They would have for the media website, the problem is on the sponsor. They are together in this industry which is on the verge of decline and promoting each other, why fight each other ?
sry for my poor english , but I think you will understand :P
2010-08-31 10:39:40
We rejected their request IN THE MIDDLE of season 2, for season 3 I said we could negotiate, but they shouldn't expect wonders, they then chose to not contact us AT ALL.
And how much advertising do you want us to give ESL then? Should they get a backlink? But then what for season 4 when they want a banner for one of their sponsors, should we do that? Should we take down some of our own ads to make room for that? Where do we draw the line? Our HLTV hosting business is not at all some big profitable venture, our coverage side is, and that we can, and will, continue to do, hosting HLTV is merely something we are damn good at, and something that makes our coverage easier, we are simply informing everyone in this newspost about ESL Nordics business practices and the implications hereof for the coverage here on HLTV.org.
I don't want to fight ESL Nordic, but when they contact me first with an ultimatum, to a long time partner no less, and then afterwards decides to totally cut us out of the official talks is just disrespectful any way you spin it, and that is what this is about.
And how much advertising do you want us to give ESL then? Should they get a backlink? But then what for season 4 when they want a banner for one of their sponsors, should we do that? Should we take down some of our own ads to make room for that? Where do we draw the line? Our HLTV hosting business is not at all some big profitable venture, our coverage side is, and that we can, and will, continue to do, hosting HLTV is merely something we are damn good at, and something that makes our coverage easier, we are simply informing everyone in this newspost about ESL Nordics business practices and the implications hereof for the coverage here on HLTV.org.
I don't want to fight ESL Nordic, but when they contact me first with an ultimatum, to a long time partner no less, and then afterwards decides to totally cut us out of the official talks is just disrespectful any way you spin it, and that is what this is about.
2010-08-31 11:19:24
I disagree. The only reason we are fans is because of hltv.org
2010-08-31 15:40:29
+1
2010-08-31 16:43:54
thats gay as shit. clearly a backdoor agreement between this shit blank-tv company and ESL. Boycott the shit out of them
2010-08-30 22:59:21
HLTV.org is far more better then any other HLTV provider so this move really sucks :@.
2010-08-30 23:00:18
ouu
2010-08-30 23:00:40
SO SAD DUDES!!! SO SAD!!!
2010-08-30 23:01:36
tommorow there will sure be newspost "ESL issue a statement about HLTV ban"
2010-08-30 23:02:56
CPL is back, fuk ESL
2010-08-30 23:04:38
Ce prosti.
2010-08-30 23:05:29
ESL SUXXXXXXXXX
HLTV >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ESL
HLTV >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ESL
2010-08-30 23:07:00
HAHAHAHAHAHA
WHAT THE FU*** ??
WHAT THE FU*** ??
2010-08-30 23:07:00
Good job ESL for losing the English speaking market that was going to view these matches. Instead of watching this competition I will just play more Starcraft 2.
I mean this is like MLS in the USA telling ESPN to piss off cause they are going with local station. The broader audience you will receive from HLTV comparative to a German only company is ridiculous. if you properly advertised you would make more with HLTV covering your matches than anyone else.
I mean this is like MLS in the USA telling ESPN to piss off cause they are going with local station. The broader audience you will receive from HLTV comparative to a German only company is ridiculous. if you properly advertised you would make more with HLTV covering your matches than anyone else.
2010-08-30 23:07:29
ESL SUCKS, IEM Sucks to always that german speaking retard in the streams anyway.
2010-08-30 23:10:28
jesus ESL u are soooo dumb u live of ur freaking spectators and ALOT of spectators go through hltv omg -_- unbelivable how stupid can they be ? ESL change this ffs how dumb can u freaking be ? -_-
2010-08-30 23:11:08
just from EPS Nordic? Doesn't make sense to do it for that and not for EPS Germany etc too :/
2010-08-30 23:13:11
ESL = dumb
HLTV = rules
ESL change this omg u acctually think anyone is gonna look at EPS nordic ? get a life ..
HLTV = rules
ESL change this omg u acctually think anyone is gonna look at EPS nordic ? get a life ..
2010-08-30 23:15:20
It's actually quite understandable, on a buisness level ofc.
When the org have leagues and stuff, they want their sponsors to be shown, not HLTVs.
Only difference here is that it's not HLTVs hltvs that will be used, not a big difference there guys. = )
When the org have leagues and stuff, they want their sponsors to be shown, not HLTVs.
Only difference here is that it's not HLTVs hltvs that will be used, not a big difference there guys. = )
2010-08-30 23:16:16
But they wont get more viewers because of this, we will simply not watch nordic season...
2010-08-30 23:19:19
People say they won't = )
2010-08-30 23:24:33
Do you really think i am so desperated to watch a Nordic EPS game to go through such a horrid site as Blank has, and to cope off with, in German..?
Post edited 2010-08-30 23:34:32
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2010-08-30 23:33:55
haha mYNDIG. that is straight up garbage talk
2010-08-30 23:19:59
Not gonna watch any matches then
2010-08-30 23:17:51
It is interesting how we all come together(share same opinion) when there is discussion on HLTV.org.
Rest of the times we are flaming each other for Race, Country and what not.
:)
Rest of the times we are flaming each other for Race, Country and what not.
:)
2010-08-30 23:17:54
we are a family ;)
2010-08-31 01:13:48
HLTV.org: Contact ESL and make a deal for the next season. Give them what they want. It's hurting your site not to provide HLTV for these events
2010-08-30 23:19:09
And what do you think they'll want the next time then? We have been doing this for 8 years, and I think we know best how to..
2010-08-30 23:39:51
Well, since ESL obviously wants you to be their HLTV provider a reasonable agreement shouldn't be impossible to create. Let's hope this issue will be solved for the better of both involved parties in the next season.
2010-08-30 23:59:53
This is starting to look like the Gux/SK/Fnatic drama we had last month ^^ Coming up next: private chat logs with hltv.org/esl staff conversations, wouldn't that be awesome? xD
On a serious note, both sides should've solved this problem privately. None of the two parts will have any benefits from this move, hltv.org will lose their fast updates (dreamteam & other statistics) while esl will have a serious downfall of the number of spectators on hltv's. Obviously esl will have a butload of problems after they made this call, rather than a "perfect" solution as they expected. Blank-tv is awesome for EPS Germany but seriously, forcing people to browse a german-only website so they can find info about a international competition is just not right.
As someone said earlier in this newspost, 99% of the comments on esl's page are against the decision, and I'm quite certain all of them were redirected from hltv.org. There are already 200+ comments here in just 1h. As some of you might have noticed, there aren't any comments on blank-tv.de for ANY news. So I'm tempted to say even German people don't follow their website.
Post edited 2010-08-30 23:29:45
On a serious note, both sides should've solved this problem privately. None of the two parts will have any benefits from this move, hltv.org will lose their fast updates (dreamteam & other statistics) while esl will have a serious downfall of the number of spectators on hltv's. Obviously esl will have a butload of problems after they made this call, rather than a "perfect" solution as they expected. Blank-tv is awesome for EPS Germany but seriously, forcing people to browse a german-only website so they can find info about a international competition is just not right.
As someone said earlier in this newspost, 99% of the comments on esl's page are against the decision, and I'm quite certain all of them were redirected from hltv.org. There are already 200+ comments here in just 1h. As some of you might have noticed, there aren't any comments on blank-tv.de for ANY news. So I'm tempted to say even German people don't follow their website.
Post edited 2010-08-30 23:29:45
2010-08-30 23:21:19
I'll gladly post the log should ESL decide to take this further, I have had only one conversation with flabbert the 10th of June 2010 where he started out with:
"i am simply giving you a heads up" - if that was the official negotiations he should work on his people skills..
"i am simply giving you a heads up" - if that was the official negotiations he should work on his people skills..
2010-08-30 23:27:01
You were covering esl events for free all this time, so I really don't understand why they used such a superior way of talking. ESL didn't have anything to lose if they continued working with hltv.
Anyway, this decision will certainly do more damage to them than it will do to hltv.org, so you can let them selfdestruct :)
Anyway, this decision will certainly do more damage to them than it will do to hltv.org, so you can let them selfdestruct :)
2010-08-30 23:39:44
Bad move from Esl guess now no1 will even consider the option of watching those crappy stream matches.
2010-08-30 23:23:17
stream is annoying.
ANd ESL playing dirty game.
Hope one day BIG ESL paid for that !
ANd ESL playing dirty game.
Hope one day BIG ESL paid for that !
2010-08-30 23:25:25
i lol'd
2010-08-30 23:27:25
The hole ESL ? IEM EPS Cologne Shangai everything !? omg that sucks !
2010-08-30 23:29:50
Only ESL Pro Series Nordic.
2010-08-30 23:32:41
HLTV ftw <3
2010-08-30 23:32:02
Strange way for ESL to handle their international competitions and partners to say the least.
2010-08-30 23:33:01
too bad - i was looking forward to hltv, which is pretty much always reliable :/ now its probably gonna be a laggy stream with crappy quality, unless you want to pay money to watch it on their shitty stream
2010-08-30 23:34:03
esl sux anyway
2010-08-30 23:34:34
in esl site it is posted:
flabbert
ESL Admin Team says:
I contacted Nix from HLTV.org in early/mid may about the issues that they did not in any way backlink from their HLTV to our matches, and we in ESL Nordic asked kindly whether they would be able to do so. We got declined quite harshly, then in early/mid june I approached Nomad/Nix again with an offer of them becoming exclusive HLTV provider for nordic if they gave us some simple backlinks in return, and linked to our matches. Once again the rebuttal was direct, and I gathered that HLTV.org were simply not interested in such a deal, and went to another provider, which in this case was Blank-TV, Blank-TV were happy to accomodate our request to become the exclusive HLTV partner and we agreed on terms that both parties could live with swiftly, which led to us agreeing terms, and setting up the deal.
We did not ban HLTV.org from anything we simply gave the rights which are ours to give, to someone else. This newspost, and the conversations I had with some HLTV.org staff proves that it was the correct move to do so.
~this is confusing :\
Post edited 2010-08-30 23:36:15
flabbert
ESL Admin Team says:
I contacted Nix from HLTV.org in early/mid may about the issues that they did not in any way backlink from their HLTV to our matches, and we in ESL Nordic asked kindly whether they would be able to do so. We got declined quite harshly, then in early/mid june I approached Nomad/Nix again with an offer of them becoming exclusive HLTV provider for nordic if they gave us some simple backlinks in return, and linked to our matches. Once again the rebuttal was direct, and I gathered that HLTV.org were simply not interested in such a deal, and went to another provider, which in this case was Blank-TV, Blank-TV were happy to accomodate our request to become the exclusive HLTV partner and we agreed on terms that both parties could live with swiftly, which led to us agreeing terms, and setting up the deal.
We did not ban HLTV.org from anything we simply gave the rights which are ours to give, to someone else. This newspost, and the conversations I had with some HLTV.org staff proves that it was the correct move to do so.
~this is confusing :\
Post edited 2010-08-30 23:36:15
2010-08-30 23:35:53
#70
2010-08-30 23:39:45
E-sports, you got to love it..
2010-08-30 23:38:50
esl SUCKs
2010-08-30 23:39:00
ESL just want to get money from ESL TV blablabla....
2010-08-30 23:39:44
Wow thats really really boring was looking forward to follow this tournament but without hltv.org i dont think its even worth it. :P
2010-08-30 23:40:20
And so, it begins.
2010-08-30 23:40:30
so epic ;)
2010-08-31 05:52:38
ESL wants to benefit and HLTV.org wants it too.. Thats the point!
no one is better than the other i think!
However, besides, they behave like kids!
Post edited 2010-08-30 23:41:41
no one is better than the other i think!
However, besides, they behave like kids!
Post edited 2010-08-30 23:41:41
2010-08-30 23:41:05
I suppose you (Hltv.org staff) not going to provide the link for eSL TV. if that happen then it will be a way to push them, without hltv.org , how could the community be informed about matches? by esl.eu site?
no thnx , i never visited for ip or anything else.
no thnx , i never visited for ip or anything else.
2010-08-30 23:41:26
blank-tv? seriously? their site is garbage ,no coverage at all + hltv lag n stuff.
WTF ESL?WTF?
WTF ESL?WTF?
2010-08-30 23:42:24
Holy shit ( ah at least 1 day i can use abusive language :DDD ).. i just downloaded the ESL GUI and it was quite nice. But now just fck them, i won't even use a single piece of their shit! Let's boycott them..i wont even watch their matches! GO TO HELL ESL!
2010-08-30 23:43:49
kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2010-08-30 23:44:16
poor kids you dont get it..
2010-08-30 23:45:41
blank is a partner of the ESL since a a long time ago featured a lot of EAS relagation events source and 1.6 and for sure its all about money. when you know the ESL management you know from what i am talking about.
from my side i just can say:
thats how the companies rules
Post edited 2010-08-30 23:50:13
from my side i just can say:
thats how the companies rules
Post edited 2010-08-30 23:50:13
2010-08-30 23:45:48
ESL sucks, no problem :D
2010-08-30 23:45:57
Omg no words to describe how stupid that move was!
Anyways, congratulations to HLTV.org for acting so professionally ONCE AGAIN, you guys rock ;)
Keep up the good work!
Anyways, congratulations to HLTV.org for acting so professionally ONCE AGAIN, you guys rock ;)
Keep up the good work!
2010-08-30 23:49:21
ESL consists of different parts - Nordic, Germany, ESLTV, etc, with different people ruling it, am I right? Then this move was initiated by Nordic's managers and you can't blame the whole ESL for it.
Btw, if i understood newspost correctly, there would be hltv ip's here, on hltv.org? If so and if blank's hltvs will have some reliability, esl nordic wouldn't lost too many spectators. Seriously, not many people here would boycott fnatic-mtw match.
Btw, if i understood newspost correctly, there would be hltv ip's here, on hltv.org? If so and if blank's hltvs will have some reliability, esl nordic wouldn't lost too many spectators. Seriously, not many people here would boycott fnatic-mtw match.
2010-08-30 23:49:25
ESL in only one company with different 'divisions' so to say. If one of the divisions decides something it is presumable that the 'head' has to agree on it too.
As for HLTV IPs, if you re-read the news there will be match threads concerning EPS Nordic 3 but as HLTV.org are not allowed to broadcast them there will be no IPs featured.
As for HLTV IPs, if you re-read the news there will be match threads concerning EPS Nordic 3 but as HLTV.org are not allowed to broadcast them there will be no IPs featured.
2010-08-31 00:03:57
Well, I think some aspects of division's performance could be solved without getting "head's" permission. And it would be great if it is about this case, because then head office is still able to call off this decision.
Ok, that would really drop nordic' spectators number.
Ok, that would really drop nordic' spectators number.
2010-08-31 00:27:59
I've been saying this for a while ESLtv is trying to keep away HLTV because they can put advertisements on there stream and in hopes to bring in money from Google ad-sense and other company's ... and on top of that charge us to pay them for higher quality product with annoying redundant shout-casters . which many don't even want to listen to and pay a Premium charge just to watch some crappy director miss 1/2 of all the action by always being on the wrong players.
So in hopes to bring in a meager revenue of $100-300,000 . This is more starting to resemble source vs 1.6 they'll just divide the community and in the end everyone loses.
So in hopes to bring in a meager revenue of $100-300,000 . This is more starting to resemble source vs 1.6 they'll just divide the community and in the end everyone loses.
2010-08-30 23:50:01
ESL = DEATH OF COUNTER-STRIKE
2010-08-30 23:50:06
ESL SUXX in everything.. any1 knows that.
The famous HACKER who made his job at fnatic.com could be a nice guy if he would help us (;
The famous HACKER who made his job at fnatic.com could be a nice guy if he would help us (;
2010-08-30 23:53:12
JOIN www.hltv.org/?pageid=20&clanid=3517844
2010-08-30 23:53:55
idiot! there wont be IEM and other championships in the future without esl.
first use your brain and then do actions -.-
first use your brain and then do actions -.-
2010-08-31 05:51:25
i can understand you guys but please don't overreact. it's just eps nordic a fun-league :7
2010-08-30 23:57:12
Whats a "backlink" ?
2010-08-30 23:58:14
like this haha www.cstime.org/2010/08/27/csbar_event_season4.html
this is a event page , they have some link not own to the website. means backlink
this is a event page , they have some link not own to the website. means backlink
2010-08-31 10:46:20
So if you ban Esl from hltv.org, there will be no match infos or news about the event? If you do this no one will ever know the event took place..?
Am I getting it all wrong?
Am I getting it all wrong?
2010-08-30 23:58:40
Not all wrong, but still as it is said, HLTV may crash, stats may not be uploaded thus affecting Dreamteam :) FUCK ESL :D
2010-08-30 23:59:55
hahahahaha
2010-08-31 00:01:50
They'll lose huge part of audience. Cause, like 95% of people follow cs scene though prism of HLTV.org.
2010-08-31 00:04:02
why dont we boycott that fucking ESL TV?
2010-08-31 00:04:07
bad news,that's it.
2010-08-31 00:06:08
This is perhaps the worst decision in eSports journalism history. The ESL should be thanking God everyday that they have HLTV.org as their coverage partner, not scheming behind their backs and betraying them.
Do they really think they can partner with a coverage site better than HLTV.org? LOL
What makes this so infuriating is that we will no longer have HLTV, but instead two German retards behind the camera who know nothing about CS and worst of all, instead of specing the players, have the spec mode on overview over half the time.
Fuck this and fuck the ESL. I support a massive boycott.
Do they really think they can partner with a coverage site better than HLTV.org? LOL
What makes this so infuriating is that we will no longer have HLTV, but instead two German retards behind the camera who know nothing about CS and worst of all, instead of specing the players, have the spec mode on overview over half the time.
Fuck this and fuck the ESL. I support a massive boycott.
2010-08-31 00:14:35
90% the fucking time when those retards aren't talking about bullshit or doing overview, they're on the wrong players.
Its so stupid seeing them spec the guy with the glock on the eco rounds instead of specing the person with the m4/Famas, but they do it all the damn time.
So what's next? Are we going to have to pay to spectate live matches?
Post edited 2010-08-31 00:19:03
Its so stupid seeing them spec the guy with the glock on the eco rounds instead of specing the person with the m4/Famas, but they do it all the damn time.
So what's next? Are we going to have to pay to spectate live matches?
Post edited 2010-08-31 00:19:03
2010-08-31 00:17:38
There is an 'Edit' button to add further content to your message after it has been published.
2010-08-31 00:21:17
worst decision ever
2010-08-31 00:19:11
If it werent for hltv cs would be dead so not allowing it is only causing there own doom.
2010-08-31 00:20:27
esl just keep doing those jealous to stop teh mighty hltv.org, GUESS WHAT, hltv.org 4life :)
2010-08-31 00:22:59
corruption in esport???
2010-08-31 00:30:25
meh what a retarded bullzy move by Esl doubt it will work , hltv.org <3
2010-08-31 00:30:38
Nice move by the ESL. I enjoyed the whining! keep it coming hltv.org fanboys :D
2010-08-31 00:38:22
ESL being screwed in comments on their own website, I think that says it all. hltv.org is by far the best, and probably the only really professional cs journalist-website. No more needs to be said.
2010-08-31 00:40:00
Every time I thought they were in the bottom of the barrel ESL manages to find a new and even lower one.
2010-08-31 00:42:25
waiting for some stunning news from ESL in the future?
2010-08-31 00:42:43
Justice for HLTV.ORG
2010-08-31 00:46:41
:DDDD
2010-08-31 01:37:47
now this came as a bit of a shock to me :S
not looking serious ESL, not at all. Dropped down in my eyes by a few steps :|
not looking serious ESL, not at all. Dropped down in my eyes by a few steps :|
2010-08-31 00:47:21
Will this only effect ESL Nordic or is HLTV banned from all ESL coverage?
At the end of the day this is a business, so I hope the two parties can eventually come to the table and help each other out in a civil manner. It'd suck to see any future content suffer. Good luck to both sides.
At the end of the day this is a business, so I hope the two parties can eventually come to the table and help each other out in a civil manner. It'd suck to see any future content suffer. Good luck to both sides.
2010-08-31 00:49:13
Only EPS Nordic
2010-08-31 00:54:18
hmm why dont u ask the programers in the tournament that you are friend of to put love hltv.org in nickname :P that would be awesome
2010-08-31 01:02:17
Hehe, thats not how we roll :)
2010-08-31 01:07:55
but that woould be nice to see..
fnatic.MSi whatever HLTV.org<3
LIONS whatever <3 HLTV.org
and so on..
that would make ESL staff mad :D
fnatic.MSi whatever HLTV.org<3
LIONS whatever <3 HLTV.org
and so on..
that would make ESL staff mad :D
2010-08-31 01:10:30
i mean but its really awfull i still remember a tournament where you guys helped ESL putting their stream rolling, isnt that true?
it was their stream i guess
Post edited 2010-08-31 01:32:06
it was their stream i guess
Post edited 2010-08-31 01:32:06
2010-08-31 01:31:54
Thing is ESL is trying to push out HLTV out of competition by doing so, but fact is they're only making negative critics to self.
Pity for such respected event to do so.
Pity for such respected event to do so.
2010-08-31 00:53:38
what crying all stupids hmm?u can watch parabola or cable tv if not, you pay for it, HMM? would say all " thx esl you are here and working" we have a great league and anti cheat program, i know hltv.org is good, i love hltv.org website, but it is an esl decision, stop saying all esltvsucks. suck u. hltv.org only a good esports website, if esl dont want to work together with hltv.org, it does not work anymore.
2010-08-31 00:57:54
you posted the same on esl..
2010-08-31 01:06:25
y
2010-08-31 01:08:32
y but you still dont get the most important point for you and us, watchers of the matchs.. why would we abdicate of having good quality coverage, fully commanded by ourselves to get a damn stream with poor quality for non-payers and commented by germans speaking in german?
im portuguese. I had portuguese, french and english at school.. not german.. everyone in esports world would prefer a english coverage then a german coverage.
to people that dont prefer english on comments I only have one thing to tell them. "buy a brain in the store next to you"
im portuguese. I had portuguese, french and english at school.. not german.. everyone in esports world would prefer a english coverage then a german coverage.
to people that dont prefer english on comments I only have one thing to tell them. "buy a brain in the store next to you"
2010-08-31 01:16:02
u r rgiht man, im only say it is an esl decision and thats all.
2010-08-31 01:23:52
Coherent English please.
2010-08-31 03:55:04
AHAHAHA hltv's staff crying cos ESL didn't want their hltv.. although ESL admin are well known to be idiots (not in this case ofc) there's no reason to be emos.
2010-08-31 01:02:00
Such a shame... Most ppl would not watch the stream as they don't know German lang.
Hope that ESL will not ban HLTV from all coverages
Hope that ESL will not ban HLTV from all coverages
2010-08-31 01:04:22
what the fuck is blanket-tv?
why the fuck are they only providing their "service" in german
WHY THE FUCK are they providing an exclusive service in ONLY german for a NORDIC tournament?
once again, what the fuck is blanket-tv? Fuck you ESL.
why the fuck are they only providing their "service" in german
WHY THE FUCK are they providing an exclusive service in ONLY german for a NORDIC tournament?
once again, what the fuck is blanket-tv? Fuck you ESL.
2010-08-31 01:08:45
esl try to force stream img.youtube.com/vi/mGOubitJfko/0.jpg
blanket-tv -for blind people xD
blanket-tv -for blind people xD
2010-08-31 01:21:55
omg, this is a tremendous mess, esl can only be playing to do that
2010-08-31 01:11:07
wow, quite professional behavior of both parties.
looks like each wanted to show how much power they had which led to everyone looking stupid in the end.
I think the main factor was the bad communication, which both are to be blamed for I guess.
False pride did the rest.
looks like each wanted to show how much power they had which led to everyone looking stupid in the end.
I think the main factor was the bad communication, which both are to be blamed for I guess.
False pride did the rest.
2010-08-31 01:31:46
paying for premium just to watch HQ streams? yeah right, HLTV.org <3
2010-08-31 01:34:29
Launch sync 2.0 :))
2010-08-31 01:48:22
beleive me ESL will lose alot of sponsors
2010-08-31 01:53:17
It's not about the users, nor the players, nor the spectators, it's about who paid who what.
My guess is Blank-TV paid one or two big shots from ESL off.
That's politics, kids.
My guess is Blank-TV paid one or two big shots from ESL off.
That's politics, kids.
2010-08-31 02:17:39
if its all about the money, they would lose alot of players due to their bad quality streaming. Why not stay the same, get streams HQ and and alot of people/fans watching it..
2010-08-31 02:22:49
@ HLTV: Just give 'em the backlinks and stop crying..
@ ESL: Just let 'em do their coverage and stop crying..
@ ESL: Just let 'em do their coverage and stop crying..
2010-08-31 02:18:53
So, its official after all!!
ESL Sux!!Go Eat Shit!!
ESL Sux!!Go Eat Shit!!
2010-08-31 02:30:16
HLTV should block everything of theirs on the site, and get the fans to contact the teams and tell them what they think. Then when they have 30 ppl watching the matches, they will know why.
2010-08-31 03:03:28
how about you don't cover the event at all? instead of bringing them more spectator
2010-08-31 03:45:29
because our users are what's most important for us, and we do not want them to be harmed in any way for things they were not responsible for, which is what would happen if we decided not to cover the event.
2010-08-31 03:50:06
lets hope for a CPL great return, it needs to be top1 again for you guys to cover.
2010-08-31 05:37:28
The point is that many (if not all) wouldn't mind, if there is such a good reason. HLTV is just too big and strong. This could be easily solved with the right moves from HLTV.
#402 has it.
Post edited 2010-08-31 05:41:36
#402 has it.
Post edited 2010-08-31 05:41:36
2010-08-31 05:39:21
But we don't want EPS Nordic to die, we do not want to hurt any leagues, leagues are super important for CS, and we always try to support whoever runs the various leagues and events the best we can. What we do not like is being treated with disrespect, and that is what this entire case is about.. We could boycott everything, but it would get us nowhere, and only hurt everyone in the process..
2010-08-31 11:36:48
THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAAAA
2010-08-31 03:53:10
Well imo HLTV.org also is "guilty as sin". Lack of communication and understanding. Esl will lose more than HLTV.org, you have that (your] margin.
Post edited 2010-08-31 04:33:55
Post edited 2010-08-31 04:33:55
2010-08-31 04:26:54
Esl wanted backlinks but HLTV didnt want to give it to them. Whats the backlinks for exactly and why cant HLTV give it to them?
2010-08-31 04:48:42
WTF
2010-08-31 04:52:11
THIS IS MADNESS
2010-08-31 04:55:40
when you read the shity name "Blank-TV" you instantly understand everything about it
2010-08-31 05:00:25
People like me check HLTV.org for upcoming matches, if it's not listed it doesn't exsist. Simple.
2010-08-31 05:05:17
so true. i dont watch any match if it isn't listed here...
2010-08-31 05:39:53
So BlankTV is probably going to profit out of this somehow, yet HLTV.org who will be doing it for free will offer a much better service...
Nordic is digging it's own grave. Goodluck attracting sponsors in season 4 when your audience drops from 40,000 to 2,000 spectators.
People should also voice their opinions, but do not boycott the coverage by HLTV.org - they are doing it for free, make the most of it and prove that their hard-work is worth something
Post edited 2010-08-31 05:43:08
Nordic is digging it's own grave. Goodluck attracting sponsors in season 4 when your audience drops from 40,000 to 2,000 spectators.
People should also voice their opinions, but do not boycott the coverage by HLTV.org - they are doing it for free, make the most of it and prove that their hard-work is worth something
Post edited 2010-08-31 05:43:08
2010-08-31 05:40:35
Seriously.. If there wasn't HLTV the game would have died years ago.
Fucking ESL can put their money in their ass, those people know shit about CS.
Post edited 2010-08-31 05:48:39
Fucking ESL can put their money in their ass, those people know shit about CS.
Post edited 2010-08-31 05:48:39
2010-08-31 05:42:18
eps nordic is an esl league, so they can decide what they want. if u dont like, it's your problem
2010-08-31 05:54:46
It's like..
You let me borrow some money, and i promise to pay back later somehow. Then you come to my house at night and need money go to home... But i decide to shut the door in your face and not give you a place to sleep, neither money.
How would you feel like?
That's what a "Stab in the back" is called like.
Only an immature interested kid does that shit.
You let me borrow some money, and i promise to pay back later somehow. Then you come to my house at night and need money go to home... But i decide to shut the door in your face and not give you a place to sleep, neither money.
How would you feel like?
That's what a "Stab in the back" is called like.
Only an immature interested kid does that shit.
2010-08-31 06:01:45
u call me "an immature interested kid does that shit" ? grow up, thats how the world is running. at all, u have no plan or overview about the situation and the background.
if you are frustrated then create a new league in Venezuela :O
if you are frustrated then create a new league in Venezuela :O
2010-08-31 06:11:39
I'm not sure if your reading skills are good enough... but, i didn't call you "Immature interested kid".
I said.. whoever does something like what i just explained (which is an example that fits the actual situation perfectly) is an Immature interested kid.
You tell me to grow up.. but look at how this people and yourself are acting lmao.
I said.. whoever does something like what i just explained (which is an example that fits the actual situation perfectly) is an Immature interested kid.
You tell me to grow up.. but look at how this people and yourself are acting lmao.
2010-08-31 06:19:28
sry, i got it wrong then. actually it's early in the mourning here in europe :D
but u all overreact at all -.-
it's only eps nordic and there will be other hltv's during the matches, so why do u care so much about the banning? looks like users run hltv.org and it looks like users do the business, but they actually dont.
Post edited 2010-08-31 06:26:50
but u all overreact at all -.-
it's only eps nordic and there will be other hltv's during the matches, so why do u care so much about the banning? looks like users run hltv.org and it looks like users do the business, but they actually dont.
Post edited 2010-08-31 06:26:50
2010-08-31 06:24:52
they will have their reason, btw eps nordic esl tv is with joe u cocksuckers!!! and they speak english!
btw don't talk anti-german stuff. if your country doesnt have such a big league like the ESL, then go and found a new one! in denmark, sweden, spain, usa or whatever.
it's all about the money, thats how the world is running. nothing in life is free.
btw don't talk anti-german stuff. if your country doesnt have such a big league like the ESL, then go and found a new one! in denmark, sweden, spain, usa or whatever.
it's all about the money, thats how the world is running. nothing in life is free.
2010-08-31 05:48:21
ESL sucks, nothing new...
I'll skip this season of EPS Nordic.
I'll skip this season of EPS Nordic.
2010-08-31 06:29:47
and sit on the street and cry?
you all dont get the point at all :D
saying "esl sux" (which is probably right!) without knowing the whole background and the finances
Post edited 2010-08-31 06:33:37
you all dont get the point at all :D
saying "esl sux" (which is probably right!) without knowing the whole background and the finances
Post edited 2010-08-31 06:33:37
2010-08-31 06:33:06
And i supose you know everything about this? The WHOLE background?
Nomad have explained everything(almost) so i suggest you to read he's comments.
People want's HLTV.org to show the matches with theirs HLTV's and not Blank-TV who really sucks imo.
EPS Nordic is a NORDIC competition and we want a site to cover the whole season in ENGLISH and not german @ Blank-TV
Post edited 2010-08-31 06:45:59
Nomad have explained everything(almost) so i suggest you to read he's comments.
People want's HLTV.org to show the matches with theirs HLTV's and not Blank-TV who really sucks imo.
EPS Nordic is a NORDIC competition and we want a site to cover the whole season in ENGLISH and not german @ Blank-TV
Post edited 2010-08-31 06:45:59
2010-08-31 06:43:37
ofc i dont know the whole background, but i have a friend working for ESL. so at least i know more than you :)
and why does blank-tv suck?
and why does blank-tv suck?
2010-08-31 06:45:55
So you belive everything your friend are saying?
My experience of Blank-TV is that the HLTV's are laggy as hell. And i dont want to follow a season on a 100% German site.
Maybe Blank-TV is better now what they used to be, but i stil want HLTV.org to cover it and manage the covering with their TV's.
Post edited 2010-08-31 06:55:58
My experience of Blank-TV is that the HLTV's are laggy as hell. And i dont want to follow a season on a 100% German site.
Maybe Blank-TV is better now what they used to be, but i stil want HLTV.org to cover it and manage the covering with their TV's.
Post edited 2010-08-31 06:55:58
2010-08-31 06:48:45
hltv.org is better than blank. but not all blank hltv's are laggy :/
the reason could be, that many teams book on blank tv for free. so there are many hltv's running...
you can follow on esl instead of blankTV and esl is not 100% german at all.
Post edited 2010-08-31 06:58:30
the reason could be, that many teams book on blank tv for free. so there are many hltv's running...
you can follow on esl instead of blankTV and esl is not 100% german at all.
Post edited 2010-08-31 06:58:30
2010-08-31 06:55:41
Well it's the same for HLTV.org, free booking and alot of them but stil no lagg :s.
2010-08-31 06:57:34
use ex_interp 0.1 on blank tv :>
2010-08-31 07:01:37
hahaha one dude said "Im already tired of the esl site being 50% in german now im supose to check a 100% german site for hltv ips? No thanks, im just going to skip this season of eps." :) I truly support that opinion :D
2010-08-31 06:32:45
because the numbers are all in german xD
it's rly hard to copy the IP and watch the match :D
hltv kids entertain me great this mourning^^
Post edited 2010-08-31 06:35:49
it's rly hard to copy the IP and watch the match :D
hltv kids entertain me great this mourning^^
Post edited 2010-08-31 06:35:49
2010-08-31 06:35:16
dude I have nothing with Germans seriously... no personal issues whatsoever; God knows I've been with so many German girls that it would be impossible for me to actually have something personal with you.
Now the fact of the matter is..
E-sports is a global phenomenon (or at least we like to believe it is) and I want the leading leagues in Europe to follow the same path by using globally accessible platforms, featuring (the world's most widespread and used language) English language in full. It think it makes sense right? I mean EPS Nordic is built for Nordic gamers and destined for the entire European audiences... so you need people which obviously work in English on it right? - that was the whole point of my quote.
lastly dear lumberjack, before you go off calling people kids; I go to work every day and maintain myself.. I live in a flat at the 39th floor right next to the sea in Dubai; I get an awesome salary for what I do (and given that its actually my first job after uni) and just the other day I closed a valuable deal with the International Herald Tribune for my company. what have you done recently?
Post edited 2010-08-31 06:47:57
Now the fact of the matter is..
E-sports is a global phenomenon (or at least we like to believe it is) and I want the leading leagues in Europe to follow the same path by using globally accessible platforms, featuring (the world's most widespread and used language) English language in full. It think it makes sense right? I mean EPS Nordic is built for Nordic gamers and destined for the entire European audiences... so you need people which obviously work in English on it right? - that was the whole point of my quote.
lastly dear lumberjack, before you go off calling people kids; I go to work every day and maintain myself.. I live in a flat at the 39th floor right next to the sea in Dubai; I get an awesome salary for what I do (and given that its actually my first job after uni) and just the other day I closed a valuable deal with the International Herald Tribune for my company. what have you done recently?
Post edited 2010-08-31 06:47:57
2010-08-31 06:46:43
i actually didnt mean u with kids :O
but why is it so hard to find an ip on a german site? it's numbers!
and again the eps nordic matches are streamed in english :)
i rly respect u and your work, rly!
and ofc you are right about the global issue, but the esl needs the money and they can decide who gets the license to show the matches
but why is it so hard to find an ip on a german site? it's numbers!
and again the eps nordic matches are streamed in english :)
i rly respect u and your work, rly!
and ofc you are right about the global issue, but the esl needs the money and they can decide who gets the license to show the matches
2010-08-31 06:52:23
word :D Good explanation :)
I mean what HANCU said :)
Post edited 2010-08-31 06:53:17
I mean what HANCU said :)
Post edited 2010-08-31 06:53:17
2010-08-31 06:52:40
But you cant backlink them...
Who would take you HLTV.org as partner if you cant backlink their site.
It's ridiculously stupid
Who would take you HLTV.org as partner if you cant backlink their site.
It's ridiculously stupid
2010-08-31 07:33:03
Backlinking isn't really the situation here...
2010-08-31 08:05:22
Nomad: You asked us to put links to some horrible match page on the ESL site on our site, this we refused as it made no sense, your page provided nothing ours did not already, and we kept on going for season 2
Sounds like it is to me...
Sounds like it is to me...
2010-08-31 08:39:23
Take a look at www.hltv.org/news/5136-esl-bans-hltvorg-from-eps-nordic#r1066358
2010-08-31 08:43:24
Reading the last part made my eyes bleed :s
It sucks to be unemployed :(
It sucks to be unemployed :(
2010-09-01 02:23:30
HLTV.org will continue to work with ESL on the other leagues, we understand that EPS Nordic runs of a license holder, and thus is not under direct control by Turtle Entertainment, the company that owns the ESL brand.
asskissing hltv.org sweet :)
asskissing hltv.org sweet :)
2010-08-31 08:22:17
i think HLTV.org is the best cybersport homepage,you can read here anything you want !!!!
2010-08-31 08:58:08
but why? cuz of money? cuz of their own (bad) ESL TV? HLTV best...
2010-08-31 09:47:35
bad news for us :<
2010-08-31 10:19:11
this only shows, once again, that the ESL is a complete utter joke. they are all about "for the community etc." fuck those hypocrits, really!
I'm really hoping for blankTV to havo some yerious problems with their hltvs(wouldn't be the first time) thus provocating a community outcry for better live coverage, which logically is provided by HLTV. org!
I'm really hoping for blankTV to havo some yerious problems with their hltvs(wouldn't be the first time) thus provocating a community outcry for better live coverage, which logically is provided by HLTV. org!
2010-08-31 10:30:05
The statement of Nomad is thus unprofessional from there..
2010-08-31 10:33:23
Man it's funny to see all the germans supporting their league and shi like they don't care about anyone else
2010-08-31 10:48:34
you refuse to place an esl match link with the argument, that there is no further information on that page.
to be honest that is absolutely ironic considering the "ip hidden till..." issue. which further information can you provide compared to readmore or fragster or any other international page that posts an ip of hltv? of course nothing, the only reason behind is to generate more page hits. don't get me wrong, this is no offense and i really like hltv.org and appreciate the work you guys do here, but why is it so hard to understand that esl wants some more hits with the backlinking???
to be honest that is absolutely ironic considering the "ip hidden till..." issue. which further information can you provide compared to readmore or fragster or any other international page that posts an ip of hltv? of course nothing, the only reason behind is to generate more page hits. don't get me wrong, this is no offense and i really like hltv.org and appreciate the work you guys do here, but why is it so hard to understand that esl wants some more hits with the backlinking???
2010-08-31 10:37:56
agreee!!
2010-08-31 10:40:37
omg why won't you guys understand ? It's not about backlinking it's about how esl threatened hltv.org , gave them an ultimatum and did all this shit behind their backs, if it were just because of the backlinking there wouldn't be any problem there's just no way hltv.org will " obey " to a gay esl representative who doesn't know the meaning of things like respect and communication
2010-08-31 10:52:01
its all about who is the strongest! french guy!
2010-08-31 10:55:32
It is fine that ESL wants more hits with backlinks, but then they should negotiate such a deal, not come in the middle of season 2 and ask for it out of no where.. For season 3 they did not talk to us AT ALL which is what this news posting is about.. The ip hidden rule is merely to keep our HLTV side alive, the HLTV part of HLTV.org is not generating a profit at all, the coverage part is, therefore unless the HLTV part can bring in some more web hits we simply cannot afford to keep allocating resources to it..
Try reading the newspost again, this is not about not being allowed to host, this is about how ESL Nordic decided to cut us out without even talking to us about it.
Try reading the newspost again, this is not about not being allowed to host, this is about how ESL Nordic decided to cut us out without even talking to us about it.
2010-08-31 11:15:23
well you complain about not being contacted to talk about coverage of season 3, but flabbert said, that they contacted you twice earlier in the year and asked for backlinking and you rejected. so why should he ask again if he finds someone, who accepts his demands.
what i can't evaluate is the way he asked you. you say it was some kind of command of them and he says you reacted "harshly".
i guess this all is just a problem of communication and i think both (esl & hltv.org) failed in it!
Post edited 2010-08-31 11:37:06
what i can't evaluate is the way he asked you. you say it was some kind of command of them and he says you reacted "harshly".
i guess this all is just a problem of communication and i think both (esl & hltv.org) failed in it!
Post edited 2010-08-31 11:37:06
2010-08-31 11:36:21
He contacted us in the middle of season 2, asking for backlinks, we refused as it was not something we had a deal about.. He then contacted us later in season 2 saying things would change for season 3, and there'd be an exclusive HLTV provider, more or less giving us an ultimatum, he however said he'd come back with the concrete demands later, which I told him to do, but I did also tell him that I did not like the way he was doing this, and I did not like to keep having to give into demands from ESL. He said there would be more demands than just the backlink, so stop making the entire case about this.. All of this btw happened over 2 months ago, since then no communication what so ever have come from ESL, hence we even had to find out about us not hosting season 3 via their website..
2010-08-31 11:42:30
too bad
2010-08-31 11:41:28
All I can tell you, is that I, nor ESL TV had ANYTHING to do with this decision. It wasn't a "strategic" decision from ESL TV whatsoever. We did not even know this deal was happening...
2010-08-31 11:43:35
Finally
2010-08-31 11:52:09
srsly, what is wrong with most of u?
99,99% (including me) dont know ANYTHING about whats going on here and still you dare posting stuff like "fuck esl" "esl sux" "boycott esl".
hltv.org lost, blank-tv won, thats how the world works. all i can say about it...
well, for the community nothing changes anyway, since watching hltv is language free as far as i can remember. ;)
99,99% (including me) dont know ANYTHING about whats going on here and still you dare posting stuff like "fuck esl" "esl sux" "boycott esl".
hltv.org lost, blank-tv won, thats how the world works. all i can say about it...
well, for the community nothing changes anyway, since watching hltv is language free as far as i can remember. ;)
2010-08-31 11:56:16
bet you're german
oh wait , i just checked , you're german !
oh wait , i just checked , you're german !
2010-08-31 12:15:21
nice argument u got there. but well, thats what i was expecting. the world will go down in stupidity...
q.e.d. ty
q.e.d. ty
2010-08-31 12:21:14
my argument is just as good as yours
btw you're all proving my stupid point here
anyway we do know what's going on, if you don't belive any side then just ask for logs or don't read anything at all
btw you're all proving my stupid point here
anyway we do know what's going on, if you don't belive any side then just ask for logs or don't read anything at all
2010-08-31 12:38:28
just because hltv.org writes "blame esl" it must be true, i see. :)
well, nothing changes between esl and hltv.org anyway, so whatever...
well, nothing changes between esl and hltv.org anyway, so whatever...
2010-08-31 12:47:47
ah yeah sure i've read " blame esl " everywhere in the news
like the part when they mention the whole organisation is not to blame since eps nordic is a separated branch ? Or when they say the problem comes from the guy who contacted them , threatened them and gave them an ultimatum ?
yeah sure i'm a sheep , right ...
retard
like the part when they mention the whole organisation is not to blame since eps nordic is a separated branch ? Or when they say the problem comes from the guy who contacted them , threatened them and gave them an ultimatum ?
yeah sure i'm a sheep , right ...
retard
2010-08-31 14:41:32
"like the part when they mention the whole organisation is not to blame since eps nordic is a separated branch"
u realize thats what they added later as an update?
and if u cant read between the lines thats your problem. this article is biased from top to bottom.
whatever, go on living in your dream world if it works for u. fuck you very much :)
u realize thats what they added later as an update?
and if u cant read between the lines thats your problem. this article is biased from top to bottom.
whatever, go on living in your dream world if it works for u. fuck you very much :)
2010-08-31 14:54:54
They added it as an update yeah so what ? That simply means they didn't want everyone reading this to go against the whole esl orga which might not be involved in this move
It's not their fault if people are dumb as shit is it ?
Anyway if you dislike hltv.org so much then go on watch the poor quality stream or HLTVs , who really cares about what you think ? If you're happy like this then go on watch this and enjoy it, nobody asked you to come here and tell us how great ESL is and how the bad guys from HLTV.org are trying to manipulate the poor spectators you fucking troll
It's not their fault if people are dumb as shit is it ?
Anyway if you dislike hltv.org so much then go on watch the poor quality stream or HLTVs , who really cares about what you think ? If you're happy like this then go on watch this and enjoy it, nobody asked you to come here and tell us how great ESL is and how the bad guys from HLTV.org are trying to manipulate the poor spectators you fucking troll
2010-08-31 15:00:04
let me see, where did i say anything about esl=good and hltv.org=bad?
well thats not the point. but since u r not able to understand anyway im done with u, hf posting more nonsense. :)
well thats not the point. but since u r not able to understand anyway im done with u, hf posting more nonsense. :)
2010-08-31 15:10:35
just search the history of esl-hltv relationships
2010-08-31 12:34:05
so? nothing changes between esl and hltv.org since its a different licence holder. thats what hltv.org had to admit now. :)
2010-08-31 12:43:33
Had to admit? This was always just EPS Nordic, we just made it more clear as there were people asking in the comments..
2010-08-31 13:04:02
"We can only ask that you guys, and the teams, let ESL know what you think of this deal, HLTV.org could throw our weight behind a total boycott of the league and their operations [...]"
and this means what?
and this means what?
2010-08-31 13:24:59
That we think people should tell ESL what they think of this..? You'll notice it says league in singular, not plural..
Post edited 2010-08-31 13:29:43
Post edited 2010-08-31 13:29:43
2010-08-31 13:29:11
since the whole article is biased from top to bottom im pretty sure u ment the whole thing (ESL). but just my lucky guess. ;)
i think what u all dont get is that TE is a company and they have to maximize their profit (even by law, keywords: view to gain).
they r not entirely about making people happy, u know...
and as i already said, nothing rly changes for the community, coz even a monkey could copy a hltv link from a german, french or papua new guinea language based side. once connected there is no language problem anyway...
i think what u all dont get is that TE is a company and they have to maximize their profit (even by law, keywords: view to gain).
they r not entirely about making people happy, u know...
and as i already said, nothing rly changes for the community, coz even a monkey could copy a hltv link from a german, french or papua new guinea language based side. once connected there is no language problem anyway...
2010-08-31 14:47:01
Haha, the article is biased? No shit? You are aware you are reading a STATEMENT from one part in this conflict, of course it is biased, go to other news sites if you want objective reporting on this, obviously we cannot ourselves give anything but our own viewpoint.. We have no problem with Turtle Entertainment, we have a problem with the EPS Nordic license holder, and that is why the extra paragraph was added to make this clear.
2010-08-31 14:48:58
read 565, thats EXACTLY my point. but i can see u dont get it :)
2010-08-31 14:57:04
What a fail from esl :D
2010-08-31 12:02:26
look at the update in the topic...
but esl suxx boykott them gogogogo kids!
poor dollys :>
but esl suxx boykott them gogogogo kids!
poor dollys :>
2010-08-31 12:16:08
Haha. ESL should regret. It's really sad, because of that was made behind your back, ESL should inform you about that, LoL ESL should didnt ban HLTV, you were working with them for few years.
2010-08-31 12:17:49
only EPS NORDIC!!
its from a other licence holder!
its from a other licence holder!
2010-08-31 12:22:19
what the fuck !!! ://
2010-08-31 13:15:54
money money money ....
2010-08-31 13:39:36
esl is a joke now
2010-08-31 13:40:00
This is prolly the 100th time ESL shows how much it sucks ass. Nothing new but its still a shame we won't be getting the prime coverage we've gotten used to from hltv.org.
2010-08-31 13:56:31
It's really sad that in these times, when CS needs support more than ever, pointless decisions like this one weaken the already diminishing scene. And the ordinary community members are the ones who pay for it.
2010-08-31 14:12:54
Tbh i rather see the matches in hltv BUT i understand ESL. If you had an tournamet with BIG price money wouldent you try to earn some money to recover atleast some of the money? If you say no gtfo lier, then host a tournament tomorow.
Why would ESL give the rights to HLTV.org if they dont pay (i dont know this, or if blank or w/e pay better?). HLTV.org earn ALOT of money on us all for what? haveing the right to host hltv for free, and when they dont get the rights they cry. Boycott this bla bla. Grow up either you agree on their terms (since its their tournament or what so ever) or dont make stupid posts like this.
Why would ESL give the rights to HLTV.org if they dont pay (i dont know this, or if blank or w/e pay better?). HLTV.org earn ALOT of money on us all for what? haveing the right to host hltv for free, and when they dont get the rights they cry. Boycott this bla bla. Grow up either you agree on their terms (since its their tournament or what so ever) or dont make stupid posts like this.
2010-08-31 14:29:03
Haha, no, we certainly do not earn a lot of money, we are barely breaking even, often living from month to month, so please..
And are we calling for a boycott? We are doing the EXACT opposite, we are continuing on as we always would, just without hosting the HLTV, so what exactly do you want from us? What we are portraying is the business practices of the EPS Nordic staff, and informing our users why our coverage will be different. No one is asking ESL to give us anything for free, but the least they could do was give us a chance to at least match blanks offer don't you think?
And are we calling for a boycott? We are doing the EXACT opposite, we are continuing on as we always would, just without hosting the HLTV, so what exactly do you want from us? What we are portraying is the business practices of the EPS Nordic staff, and informing our users why our coverage will be different. No one is asking ESL to give us anything for free, but the least they could do was give us a chance to at least match blanks offer don't you think?
2010-08-31 14:37:19
Just answer one question... why dident you make news post with something like hltv and esl couldent agree on terms for the rights to ESL nordic. Instead saying they banned you? cuz thats not what happend. You rather lie and make yourself look good? If your really that desperate of having the rights just agree on their terms next time.
2010-08-31 14:50:45
Because there were no negotiations, they NEVER talked to us about it. Teams will get 3 penalty points if they give serverinfo to us, I'd call that a ban to be honest..
2010-08-31 14:51:45
ty, exactly what i think about the whole thing!
2010-08-31 14:58:12
ESL is a joke? Most consistent tournament provider past ~5 years and you call them a joke?
Why you shouldn't flame ESL just yet:
1. We don't know the whole story.
2. ESL is one of the organisations making HLTV.org possible.
3. ESL is one of the organisations making competitive CS possible.
4. This kind of deals are VERY, VERY common in sports in general. One TV company gets license for Premier League, one doesn't.
I know most of the people in this thread just jump the bandwagon and start typing without thinking, and call ESL a joke is retarded. The only SOLID tournament provider imo.
Then ofc you can discuss how the deal was sealed but that has nothing to do with ESL but more with the admin handling the issue. And ofc he is representing ESL and should behave and act as such.
sorry for the novel just had to write my thoughts ;)
Why you shouldn't flame ESL just yet:
1. We don't know the whole story.
2. ESL is one of the organisations making HLTV.org possible.
3. ESL is one of the organisations making competitive CS possible.
4. This kind of deals are VERY, VERY common in sports in general. One TV company gets license for Premier League, one doesn't.
I know most of the people in this thread just jump the bandwagon and start typing without thinking, and call ESL a joke is retarded. The only SOLID tournament provider imo.
Then ofc you can discuss how the deal was sealed but that has nothing to do with ESL but more with the admin handling the issue. And ofc he is representing ESL and should behave and act as such.
sorry for the novel just had to write my thoughts ;)
2010-08-31 14:31:20
Man, nobody from hltv.org blames the whole ESL, they only talk about the guy who " contacted " them being a total jerk and the guys behind EPS NORDIC doing one of the most stupid thing they could imagin'
Besides it's not like hltv.org wants a fight with esl, they will provide HLTVs and full coverage for every other leagues as long as ESL lets them do so, they just can't let some guys do whatever the fuck they want with the community
Besides it's not like hltv.org wants a fight with esl, they will provide HLTVs and full coverage for every other leagues as long as ESL lets them do so, they just can't let some guys do whatever the fuck they want with the community
2010-08-31 14:46:21
I was talking about the comments not hltv.org crew
2010-08-31 15:01:52
But yeah in the real world when it comes to one of the biggest names in media coverage like ESPN, they league really can't play hardball considering the exposer ESPN would give them. I personally would have never know of this competition if not for HLTV. So I mean how many users do you think ESL can get on their own, especially being heavily German.
2010-08-31 15:57:14
they will lose not you , don't worry HLTV.org they will regret it , no hltv.org = no fans for counter strike ! PERIOD
2010-08-31 14:42:08
Vilseledd
Yeah right you "thoughts" JAJA.
bye bye esl nobody see that shit.
Yeah right you "thoughts" JAJA.
bye bye esl nobody see that shit.
2010-08-31 14:48:42
why should hltv have to pay esl for it when hltv.org offer such a fantastic service. It should be the other way round.
2010-08-31 15:13:44
let me be sure that this doesnt affect me at all?
i just watch hltv for fun and i dont care where i pick it from, now i just need to get it from blank?
i just watch hltv for fun and i dont care where i pick it from, now i just need to get it from blank?
2010-08-31 15:15:24
Yeah that's it , either blankTV.de or ESL stream
2010-08-31 15:17:10
my inet cant handle stream so im happy to have that blank ip instead of esl stream only :D
2010-08-31 15:25:14
Yeah, stream sucks anyway
But you'll have to find ip on blankTV and from what i've seen it's not that easy, unlike hltv.org they have the latest demos instead of matches to come on the top right , besides it's only in german so it might be a bit difficult to find the matches,
but good watching anyway !
But you'll have to find ip on blankTV and from what i've seen it's not that easy, unlike hltv.org they have the latest demos instead of matches to come on the top right , besides it's only in german so it might be a bit difficult to find the matches,
but good watching anyway !
2010-08-31 15:29:12
We'll be providing links into the Blank page for the ips, no worries.. :)
2010-08-31 15:31:26
money talks bitch
2010-08-31 15:24:21
WTF, hltv.org always supported ESL.
if HLTV.org wont stream the matches i wont watch the crappy ESLTV bs
Post edited 2010-08-31 15:44:21
if HLTV.org wont stream the matches i wont watch the crappy ESLTV bs
Post edited 2010-08-31 15:44:21
2010-08-31 15:43:59
ESL sucks, their rules suck, the stream quality is fucked up and the fact that you have to pay to see a the stream with a little better quality that gets boardcasted a couple times a week tops, is ridiculous.
2010-08-31 15:44:06
+10
2010-08-31 15:55:23
www.HLTV.org >>>>>>>>>> ESL org.
<3 HLTV ; ESL just can't be like HLTV so they can ban HLTV to be better o.O ... they are stupid !!!
<3 HLTV ; ESL just can't be like HLTV so they can ban HLTV to be better o.O ... they are stupid !!!
2010-08-31 15:54:47
the fact is one - HLTV > ESL
2010-08-31 15:56:06
FUCK ESL HLTV > ESL bigtime. HLTV is around for so fucking long and its not for a shitty reason that its called HALF-LIFE TV, ITS PART OF THE GAME STUPID ESL CUNTS
2010-08-31 16:02:13
huh ...
if it wasnt for hltv.org then i would have never known a thing about ESL and their tourneys ..
...pointless decision :S
if it wasnt for hltv.org then i would have never known a thing about ESL and their tourneys ..
...pointless decision :S
2010-08-31 16:09:09
HLTV.org should make their own league or cups/tournaments for teams around the world!
2010-08-31 16:34:58
I wouldn't mind if it was replaced by a service which offered the same quality of service, or better. But making it a German broadcaster is like having a French shoutcaster at ESWC: ridiculous.
Maybe this post is a bit rage-kid like, but HLTV.org shouldn't be raging, us viewers should. Not to mention that I'm not willing to pay for a crap service when there's things like HLTV.org which provide an excellent service for the wide public. I think both orga's shot themselves in the foot here.
Maybe this post is a bit rage-kid like, but HLTV.org shouldn't be raging, us viewers should. Not to mention that I'm not willing to pay for a crap service when there's things like HLTV.org which provide an excellent service for the wide public. I think both orga's shot themselves in the foot here.
2010-08-31 16:39:25
Well if you read the post then you'd see we are not really raging, I'd say perplexed is the emotion that fits it best.. I am sorry that ESL Nordic did not feel the need to talk to us at all, because I am sure we would have reached an agreement that would have worked for both of us, as we have with so many events and leagues before.
2010-08-31 16:42:30
+1 This is exactly what I think.
2010-08-31 17:06:01
Where is mywell written dildo allegory? lol, I thougth It perfectly illustrated the situation :p
2010-08-31 16:51:09
Esl shortcut - Deleted
I loved using the esl premium stream before, now i will not go close to esl again if they don't do something about this.
Oh btw, i was really looking forward to this evenings games. Guess i have to find something else to do =/
Post edited 2010-08-31 17:07:31
I loved using the esl premium stream before, now i will not go close to esl again if they don't do something about this.
Oh btw, i was really looking forward to this evenings games. Guess i have to find something else to do =/
Post edited 2010-08-31 17:07:31
2010-08-31 16:55:22
bad move esl... very bad move
2010-08-31 17:17:26
www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=hltv.org&word2=esl.eu
2010-08-31 18:59:35
Nice :D
2010-08-31 20:05:57
When "hltv.org" doesnt want to share the advertisement its clearly a bad deal for ESL. "Hltv.org" will end up with all the hits and ESL wont get any attention to their leagues.Its ESL`s arrangement, its only natural that they want people to actually look at their site. Can you honestly say that ESL should have said "yes" to a deal like that?
"Hltv.org - Well, we want all the advertisement for ourselves. Thats ok for you right?"
"Esl - Ehhh. no"
Simple
Post edited 2010-08-31 19:50:56
"Hltv.org - Well, we want all the advertisement for ourselves. Thats ok for you right?"
"Esl - Ehhh. no"
Simple
Post edited 2010-08-31 19:50:56
2010-08-31 19:50:41
posting the same crap twice in the thread, nice
how about replying to #1 so that everyone can see it ?
Or perhaps you could just read and use this shit that's called your brain
IT IS NOT ABOUT SOME FUCKING BACKLINKING !
Read any of nomad's comment , say 202
And stop trolling around thinking you know everything while you haven't even read the whole thing
BESIDES if you had read the news in the first place you would've understood it's not about the whole ESL but just EPS NORDIC , Turtle might just not be involved in this
how about replying to #1 so that everyone can see it ?
Or perhaps you could just read and use this shit that's called your brain
IT IS NOT ABOUT SOME FUCKING BACKLINKING !
Read any of nomad's comment , say 202
And stop trolling around thinking you know everything while you haven't even read the whole thing
BESIDES if you had read the news in the first place you would've understood it's not about the whole ESL but just EPS NORDIC , Turtle might just not be involved in this
2010-08-31 20:22:32
Have you actually not understood that it is not about the god damn backlinks?
2010-08-31 20:29:21
Hell, how can you guys keep cool when reading this shit ?
Everyone flaming about esl that sucks or hltv.org that did something wrong ...
Post edited 2010-08-31 20:33:10
Everyone flaming about esl that sucks or hltv.org that did something wrong ...
Post edited 2010-08-31 20:33:10
2010-08-31 20:32:28
We allow you guys to express your voice as long as it's not totally out of line. You are all entitled to it.
Concerning us, I believe Nomad expressed it very nicely in "In a move that came as a total surprise and shock to us today".
Concerning us, I believe Nomad expressed it very nicely in "In a move that came as a total surprise and shock to us today".
2010-08-31 20:42:01
Read #70 from flabbert
How can this have nothing to do with backlinks? Hltv.org said no 2 times! Cant imagine that flabbert has threatened nomad in any way. His demands were backlinking and some commercial, and HLTV.org said no
Nomad is just mad because he wanted it all, but in the process he didnt get anything at all.
How can this have nothing to do with backlinks? Hltv.org said no 2 times! Cant imagine that flabbert has threatened nomad in any way. His demands were backlinking and some commercial, and HLTV.org said no
Nomad is just mad because he wanted it all, but in the process he didnt get anything at all.
2010-08-31 20:44:59
So according to you nomad's just some kind of liar who wants to make money through hltv.org ?
Just wtf is your problem ? You happen to be a complete retard or something ?
Hltv.org doesn't need all the HTLVs IP to get people to come to the website, what makes it popular is their great coverage, the interviews, and also things like top players bloggin' etc ...
Just look : www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=hltv.org&word2=esl.eu
Besides, if this was the problem then the whole ESL would have discussed this, began to talk about some partnership or something, not just for EPS NORDIC but for the whole thing.
btw wtf ? You belive everything flabbert says but nothing nomad says ?
EDIT : link
Post edited 2010-08-31 22:04:59
Just wtf is your problem ? You happen to be a complete retard or something ?
Hltv.org doesn't need all the HTLVs IP to get people to come to the website, what makes it popular is their great coverage, the interviews, and also things like top players bloggin' etc ...
Just look : www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=hltv.org&word2=esl.eu
Besides, if this was the problem then the whole ESL would have discussed this, began to talk about some partnership or something, not just for EPS NORDIC but for the whole thing.
btw wtf ? You belive everything flabbert says but nothing nomad says ?
EDIT : link
Post edited 2010-08-31 22:04:59
2010-08-31 22:03:38
googlefight knows the answer bout' the winner)
2010-09-01 01:25:27
You clearly do not have any insight in the situation at all. Please, for your own sake, refrain from commenting as you will only ridicule yourself.
2010-08-31 22:59:19
HLTV makes it sound like theyve lost a battle or something. Making an article thats named "ESL bans HLTV.org from EPS Nordic", yelling out that ESL didnt talk to them about it.
They were clearly willing to give HLTV.org the job. "Hltv.org" said NO to every demand ESL had and you say hltv.org doesnt need anything cause they got it all. Something`s not right here.
If this aint the problem wtf is? ESL`s demands are written in the comments, so if this aint a problem to Hltv.org why did you say "no" in the first place`?
Nomad talks about backstabbing and a lot of stuff, but when flabbert reveals that he has talked to hltv.org and that he did infact give them an offer im wondering why hltv.org keeps denying that flabbert has kept them informed. He gave you an offer, you said no. How could you say that it came as a shock that ESL didnt choose to use hltv.org?
Trolling, trolling, trolling on the river. C ya next time for more useless discussions on "if you dont think the same thing as im thinking you are wrong"
They were clearly willing to give HLTV.org the job. "Hltv.org" said NO to every demand ESL had and you say hltv.org doesnt need anything cause they got it all. Something`s not right here.
If this aint the problem wtf is? ESL`s demands are written in the comments, so if this aint a problem to Hltv.org why did you say "no" in the first place`?
Nomad talks about backstabbing and a lot of stuff, but when flabbert reveals that he has talked to hltv.org and that he did infact give them an offer im wondering why hltv.org keeps denying that flabbert has kept them informed. He gave you an offer, you said no. How could you say that it came as a shock that ESL didnt choose to use hltv.org?
Trolling, trolling, trolling on the river. C ya next time for more useless discussions on "if you dont think the same thing as im thinking you are wrong"
2010-08-31 23:22:32
You're missing the point, or don't wanna see it , i'm gonna try to explain one more time :
There's a difference between :
" would you mind giving me this ?"
" and GIMME DAT SHIT YOU BITCH ! "
But it seems like it's too difficult for you to understand, so you might wanna just open the door and see how it's like to live in a society
Besides it is you who want to belive every fucking word flabbert says and consider Nomad as a fucking liar trying to make benefit, can't really say you're open minded eh ?
So please grow up, because as long as you'll think " THIS GUY'S A LIAR, THIS GUY'S RIGHT " and support your opinion with no argument at all you'll be nothing but another troll
There's a difference between :
" would you mind giving me this ?"
" and GIMME DAT SHIT YOU BITCH ! "
But it seems like it's too difficult for you to understand, so you might wanna just open the door and see how it's like to live in a society
Besides it is you who want to belive every fucking word flabbert says and consider Nomad as a fucking liar trying to make benefit, can't really say you're open minded eh ?
So please grow up, because as long as you'll think " THIS GUY'S A LIAR, THIS GUY'S RIGHT " and support your opinion with no argument at all you'll be nothing but another troll
2010-08-31 23:31:51
"HLTV.org said no to every demand"? Can you please inform me what demands were stated, as I clearly do not know what you are on about? The fact is that we were approached with an ultimatum/threat out of nowhere from the EPS Nordic head saying that we did not do enough for the league (...).
"ESL's demands are written in the comments". Do you actually think we're that selfish that we wouldn't provide backlinks if they wanted it? We even told flabbert that we could meet some demands. He did however not approach us very nicely, and we do not like being tossed around.
Your last paragraph makes no sense. Why are you automatically taking flabbert's side, have you read the conversation between the two parts? He never stated an offer, it was more like "if you don't do this, we will choose another HLTV provider".
Why is it a shock? Excuse me, but have you not seen our on site coverage at major events, statistics, Dreamteam for the league, galleries, match threads for matches we don't even host our HLTV for?
Moreover, I feel more saddened for you, the users, who will have to turn to Blank-TV's HLTV, than for ours. And possibly jeopardising the Dreamteam game is also sad, which is to great amusement for many. and the statistics.
Post edited 2010-09-01 09:24:14
"ESL's demands are written in the comments". Do you actually think we're that selfish that we wouldn't provide backlinks if they wanted it? We even told flabbert that we could meet some demands. He did however not approach us very nicely, and we do not like being tossed around.
Your last paragraph makes no sense. Why are you automatically taking flabbert's side, have you read the conversation between the two parts? He never stated an offer, it was more like "if you don't do this, we will choose another HLTV provider".
Why is it a shock? Excuse me, but have you not seen our on site coverage at major events, statistics, Dreamteam for the league, galleries, match threads for matches we don't even host our HLTV for?
Moreover, I feel more saddened for you, the users, who will have to turn to Blank-TV's HLTV, than for ours. And possibly jeopardising the Dreamteam game is also sad, which is to great amusement for many. and the statistics.
Post edited 2010-09-01 09:24:14
2010-09-01 09:19:06
Well, it wouldn't have been a major problem for hltv.org to set a match link. I think this is appropriate anyway. After all this is the same reason, why you have hidden your IP addresses to ten minutes before the match begins. You've still complaining that your IP addresses were showed up on other coverage sites and no one had to go to your website anymore. Isn't is a bit of hypocrisy?
2010-08-31 20:47:09
No it certainly wouldn't, but it is kind of hard to reach an agreement when they don't even want to talk isn't it?
And where is the hypocrisy? Yes when we host we want people to get the IP via our page, we pay the bandwidth, we spend the time getting serverinfo and so on, what exactly is so terrible about that?
And where is the hypocrisy? Yes when we host we want people to get the IP via our page, we pay the bandwidth, we spend the time getting serverinfo and so on, what exactly is so terrible about that?
2010-08-31 23:16:13
Why is everyone calling flabbert a german... I thought he was from Norway. :)
2010-08-31 23:25:32
He's from norway, despite having both german and norway flags on his ESL profile, no one ever said he was german
2010-08-31 23:32:52
People are referring to ESL, a German company.
2010-08-31 23:35:18
Come to think of it , even less people are gonna watch EPS NORDIC, since Fnatic doesn't participate any more !
Meaning BlankTV HLTVs shouldn't be laggin or what
Meaning BlankTV HLTVs shouldn't be laggin or what
2010-08-31 23:52:11
600+ COMMENTS OF RAGE, MY EYES... THE GOOGLES DO NOTHING.....................
2010-09-01 00:13:16
I dont think this is fair. Not at all. In my opinion it is ESL which has made a mistake. Seems that flabbert is the bad guy here. If he really wanted HLTV to provide the HLTV-servers, he really shoud have contacted Nomad. HLTV is the once who is boykotted here.
Go to hell ESL - imo.
Post edited 2010-09-01 00:47:32
Go to hell ESL - imo.
Post edited 2010-09-01 00:47:32
2010-09-01 00:47:09
OMG, what a holy war )
2010-09-01 01:23:39
Now ESL come here and say "sorry" :D
2010-09-01 04:41:56
OMG
2010-09-01 04:47:07
FUCK ESL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2010-09-01 11:25:55
Blank TV is shit, why would they have Nordic covered by a german only organization
2010-09-01 11:50:14
Okay... Lets see if i have gotten this right:
ESL Nordic makes some kind of decision that they want external sites that are streaming thier matches to provide a backlink in season 3 and later. Obviously the streams belong to them and this is not only a reasonable demand, it was also delivered well in advance.
You flat out refused them, arguing that other sites also providing coverage where not asked to provide any backlinks. Now lets talk a bit about what companies hosting events can demand and what rights they have.
For example anyone can create a Champions League fan-page and write articles, post statistics, do live commantary, interweivs etc. But if i want to post say a movie clip showing match highligts or even live-stream i need to negotioate with UEFA about the rights to do so.
Write about something is always okay, they cant prevent sites from doing press coverage. Post footage / streams are not okay without the owners okay.
So, for obvious reasons ESL wanted sites streaming matches to provide a backlink (if you cant understand why then OMG, i work in online marketing for events, but not E-sport events, if i was responsible for marketing for any E-sport event i would not even consider backlinking up for discussion it is THAT bloody obvious). They then informed the biggest site out there www.hltv.org about this, again that is how i would have done this aswell starting with the biggest site and after that was working turned towards smaller sites.
Now what the hell was ESL Nordic SUPPOSED to do when hltv.org refused? They have no right to demand that sites who only provide press coverage backlink and yet that seems to be exactly what hltv.org is demanding? So they checked for other stream providers, blanktv was up for it and had no problem with backlinking. But ofc BlankTV saw no reason to do this unless hltv.org did not do it aswell, which you refused... At this point ESL should really have contacted you again, explained and asked you to change your mind. this is the only thing in this whole mess i could possibly fault ESL for (and picking a german provider...).
Meanwhile you are whining and saying they banned you and such... No they have not banned you, not any more than UEFA has banned a channel from showing Champions League just because they have not negotioated any rights with that channel, or negotiaded an exlusive deal with another channel.
If i have misunderstood anything of the above please correct me... if not: fucking grow up, E-sports is growing and more cash is starting to get involved. This means bigger sponsors, meaning more demands from sponsors, more demands mean more control.
With this in mind backlinking was not only a reasonable demand, you acted like a kid not understanding shit about online marketing when you thought it was something to negotiate about and have listed arguments against it that are just plain impossible to enforce for ESL.
//ended up here by mistake reading about it on rakaka.se
ESL Nordic makes some kind of decision that they want external sites that are streaming thier matches to provide a backlink in season 3 and later. Obviously the streams belong to them and this is not only a reasonable demand, it was also delivered well in advance.
You flat out refused them, arguing that other sites also providing coverage where not asked to provide any backlinks. Now lets talk a bit about what companies hosting events can demand and what rights they have.
For example anyone can create a Champions League fan-page and write articles, post statistics, do live commantary, interweivs etc. But if i want to post say a movie clip showing match highligts or even live-stream i need to negotioate with UEFA about the rights to do so.
Write about something is always okay, they cant prevent sites from doing press coverage. Post footage / streams are not okay without the owners okay.
So, for obvious reasons ESL wanted sites streaming matches to provide a backlink (if you cant understand why then OMG, i work in online marketing for events, but not E-sport events, if i was responsible for marketing for any E-sport event i would not even consider backlinking up for discussion it is THAT bloody obvious). They then informed the biggest site out there www.hltv.org about this, again that is how i would have done this aswell starting with the biggest site and after that was working turned towards smaller sites.
Now what the hell was ESL Nordic SUPPOSED to do when hltv.org refused? They have no right to demand that sites who only provide press coverage backlink and yet that seems to be exactly what hltv.org is demanding? So they checked for other stream providers, blanktv was up for it and had no problem with backlinking. But ofc BlankTV saw no reason to do this unless hltv.org did not do it aswell, which you refused... At this point ESL should really have contacted you again, explained and asked you to change your mind. this is the only thing in this whole mess i could possibly fault ESL for (and picking a german provider...).
Meanwhile you are whining and saying they banned you and such... No they have not banned you, not any more than UEFA has banned a channel from showing Champions League just because they have not negotioated any rights with that channel, or negotiaded an exlusive deal with another channel.
If i have misunderstood anything of the above please correct me... if not: fucking grow up, E-sports is growing and more cash is starting to get involved. This means bigger sponsors, meaning more demands from sponsors, more demands mean more control.
With this in mind backlinking was not only a reasonable demand, you acted like a kid not understanding shit about online marketing when you thought it was something to negotiate about and have listed arguments against it that are just plain impossible to enforce for ESL.
//ended up here by mistake reading about it on rakaka.se
2010-09-01 12:16:38
know what ? Just ask nomad what this is about, i'm pissed off guys not reading the shit and just posting their crap thinking they understood everything
2010-09-01 12:37:28
Know what? I did read through all the comments. trying to sift through all the retarded fan-boy comments it seem to boil down to ESP asking for backlinks and hltv.org refused because A) other sites where not doing it (se my first reply) and B) they thought the demand for backlinks where not brought forth in a polite and/or proffesional manner.
But if they refused because of A) and B) it cant have come as any big shocker that ESP gave exclusive rights to some other stream provider? Honestly, what did they expect? And then piss and whine about it?
But if they refused because of A) and B) it cant have come as any big shocker that ESP gave exclusive rights to some other stream provider? Honestly, what did they expect? And then piss and whine about it?
2010-09-01 12:52:50
#202
Quote : Nomad
It is not really about the backlink, it is about first flabbert giving me an ultimatum, when we were suppose to be partners, and he then comes out of nowhere threatening us, I then told him we could probably meet some demands, but I one didn't like his tone and two reminded him that HLTV.org wasn't some subsite of ESL that he could just push around, he then decided to not at ALL contact us with any specifics and just go totally behind our backs.
Post edited 2010-09-01 13:15:22
Quote : Nomad
It is not really about the backlink, it is about first flabbert giving me an ultimatum, when we were suppose to be partners, and he then comes out of nowhere threatening us, I then told him we could probably meet some demands, but I one didn't like his tone and two reminded him that HLTV.org wasn't some subsite of ESL that he could just push around, he then decided to not at ALL contact us with any specifics and just go totally behind our backs.
Post edited 2010-09-01 13:15:22
2010-09-01 13:14:47
What are we whining about? We are informing our users and saying we are pretty shocked about the treatment we got from ESL, we didn't call for a boycott, we didn't stop covering the league, we didn't shut down dreamteam or not do stats, seriously wtf do you want from us?
2010-09-01 14:55:04
And you also fail completely to comprehend the most basic thing here.. They asked for the backlink _IN THE MIDDLE OF SEASON 2_ - this we refused as it WAS NOT PART OF OUR DEAL. I doubt the champions league changes their conditions for broadcasting DURING a season. Now they then contacted us later, saying there would be an exclusive provider for season 3, and then said there'd be demands, I then told them I didn't like them throwing us an ultimatum, and then went on to remind them that HLTV.org was not some small regional site, but in fact the biggest CS 1.6 site in the world. I also told them to come back when they had the list of demands they had for the broadcaster, as this was not at all suggested.
Now here is the problem then, we were NEVER CONTACTED AFTER THIS. This is a problem because I would gladly have given a backlink, but UNDER the CONDITION that they would NOT come back in season 4 and suddenly want a banner, I wanted to make sure that if we gave into these demands we would have some guarantee we were not just getting an ultimatum thrown in our face at the start of the next season. But seeing as the genius in charge of ESL Nordic never EVER contacted us, there were no negotiations, and we are certainly not whining about not showing the matches, we are informing the public that a worse alternative was chosen without even asking us, this was done to make sure no one would get the impression that we had set up unreasonable demands in some negotiations, we always do our utmost to make deals with our partners that can work for all parties, so why the hell don't you just look at my comments and see what I am actually saying, as opposed to what you'd like me to be saying so it would fit your "whining and screaming" hypothesis.
I btw do love how you then go on to feel all superior with your great knowledge and paint us a kids, yet we are the ones with one of the biggest esport sites in the world, build with no initial investment, many others with way more money have come and failed where we have stood, and yet you call us kids with no idea what we are doing, disrespectful, nothing else.
Post edited 2010-09-01 15:04:18
Now here is the problem then, we were NEVER CONTACTED AFTER THIS. This is a problem because I would gladly have given a backlink, but UNDER the CONDITION that they would NOT come back in season 4 and suddenly want a banner, I wanted to make sure that if we gave into these demands we would have some guarantee we were not just getting an ultimatum thrown in our face at the start of the next season. But seeing as the genius in charge of ESL Nordic never EVER contacted us, there were no negotiations, and we are certainly not whining about not showing the matches, we are informing the public that a worse alternative was chosen without even asking us, this was done to make sure no one would get the impression that we had set up unreasonable demands in some negotiations, we always do our utmost to make deals with our partners that can work for all parties, so why the hell don't you just look at my comments and see what I am actually saying, as opposed to what you'd like me to be saying so it would fit your "whining and screaming" hypothesis.
I btw do love how you then go on to feel all superior with your great knowledge and paint us a kids, yet we are the ones with one of the biggest esport sites in the world, build with no initial investment, many others with way more money have come and failed where we have stood, and yet you call us kids with no idea what we are doing, disrespectful, nothing else.
Post edited 2010-09-01 15:04:18
2010-09-01 15:01:29
hhh :]
what esl is doing now is that they're loosing much much advertisment for their sponsors, or whatever they run on by loosing many viewers of the matches... it would seem strange to normal people but since esl is doing this since.... how far i remember :D they obviously must know what they're doing... either that or they're just full of crap :] .. i go with the second one :D
what esl is doing now is that they're loosing much much advertisment for their sponsors, or whatever they run on by loosing many viewers of the matches... it would seem strange to normal people but since esl is doing this since.... how far i remember :D they obviously must know what they're doing... either that or they're just full of crap :] .. i go with the second one :D
2010-09-01 14:34:32
Then whats the point of arguing about it?
Pus says :
"Do you actually think we're that selfish that we wouldn't provide backlinks if they wanted it?"
Nomad says :
I then told them I didn't like them throwing us an ultimatum, and then went on to remind them that HLTV.org was not some small regional site, but in fact the biggest CS 1.6 site in the world
If flabbert wanted backlinking, why didnt you just say yes? OFC he gave you an ultimatum, the "old deal" didnt benefit esl at all. It only gave them a global HLTV provider, but no publicity
Both sides should have handeled the matter in a more proffesional way. It ended up with normal demands that was believed to be a threat beacause the old deal didnt share the publicity at all and both sides lost respect because of it. Flabbert should have kept you updated and hltv should have been more flexible instead of trying to "fight back"
Now we got to watch a german hltv with low quality...
Post edited 2010-09-01 16:09:08
Pus says :
"Do you actually think we're that selfish that we wouldn't provide backlinks if they wanted it?"
Nomad says :
I then told them I didn't like them throwing us an ultimatum, and then went on to remind them that HLTV.org was not some small regional site, but in fact the biggest CS 1.6 site in the world
If flabbert wanted backlinking, why didnt you just say yes? OFC he gave you an ultimatum, the "old deal" didnt benefit esl at all. It only gave them a global HLTV provider, but no publicity
Both sides should have handeled the matter in a more proffesional way. It ended up with normal demands that was believed to be a threat beacause the old deal didnt share the publicity at all and both sides lost respect because of it. Flabbert should have kept you updated and hltv should have been more flexible instead of trying to "fight back"
Now we got to watch a german hltv with low quality...
Post edited 2010-09-01 16:09:08
2010-09-01 16:06:08
fight back?! We didn't want to changes the TERMS of our old deal in the middle of the season, and for season 3 there were no negotiations what so ever, yet we are at fault? Jesus..
2010-09-01 16:10:16
How big would the change have been? Honestly! You would have to share som publicity and given ESL something they should have demanded a long time ago. It is their league but hltv ended up with all the publicity, ofc you dont want to change that deal and ofc ESL wants to change it!
There were no negotiations because there was nothing to discuss. You didnt want to change the old deal and acted all mighty beacause "HLTV.org aint some small regional site, but in fact the biggest CS 1.6 site in the world". Doesnt sound like you were willing to give anything back to esl at all. A deal that gives hltv.org the rights to do coverage on all the matches and keep the links etc on their own site only benefits hltv.org! making it sound like flabbert is ungreatful after all you have done is bullshit, flabbert just wants to get something out of the deal that will benefit esl other than having the greatest hltv provider.
Its not your fault flabbert went to blank-tv, but you narrowed down his choices. That you cant deny
Why would flabbert even bother to fight over such a deal if others would gladly accept?
think about it
Post edited 2010-09-01 16:55:02
There were no negotiations because there was nothing to discuss. You didnt want to change the old deal and acted all mighty beacause "HLTV.org aint some small regional site, but in fact the biggest CS 1.6 site in the world". Doesnt sound like you were willing to give anything back to esl at all. A deal that gives hltv.org the rights to do coverage on all the matches and keep the links etc on their own site only benefits hltv.org! making it sound like flabbert is ungreatful after all you have done is bullshit, flabbert just wants to get something out of the deal that will benefit esl other than having the greatest hltv provider.
Its not your fault flabbert went to blank-tv, but you narrowed down his choices. That you cant deny
Why would flabbert even bother to fight over such a deal if others would gladly accept?
think about it
Post edited 2010-09-01 16:55:02
2010-09-01 16:53:52
Oh please, ESL get a shitload of attention and extra spectators from all the exposure we give it, so quit saying we give nothing.. Flabbert said he had demandS, more than ONE demand, meaning I wanted proper negotiations to get them settled and make sure we weren't in the same situation next year. I got angry at him because he messaged me out of nowhere and immediately presented me with an ultimatum, we have been partners with ESL for years, an ultimatum is not how you talk to your partners, that is how you talk to your enemies.
There was plenty to discuss, and flabbert knew this. It is actually pretty funny how much of an expert you seem to be in this case without actually having seen any shred of the private conversations that went on, I am done here, haters gonna hate.
There was plenty to discuss, and flabbert knew this. It is actually pretty funny how much of an expert you seem to be in this case without actually having seen any shred of the private conversations that went on, I am done here, haters gonna hate.
2010-09-01 16:57:40
No one has seen any shred of the private conversations, but they still answere. There is no point bringing this out to the public without bringing some evidence to back it up.
You say this article was made so you could inform your users, I say its an article that was ment to spread hate. Personal opinions aint always the truth, doesnt matter how many people who has the same opinion.
What im saying is only based on what ive read and heard, you can say the same thing about every other comment here. Only HLTV and ESL has the info that could prove that someone talks a lot of bullshit, but as long as this is kept behind closed doors everything is just speculation about what really happened
Ill just stop commenting for now and let this sort out itself
Post edited 2010-09-01 17:37:35
You say this article was made so you could inform your users, I say its an article that was ment to spread hate. Personal opinions aint always the truth, doesnt matter how many people who has the same opinion.
What im saying is only based on what ive read and heard, you can say the same thing about every other comment here. Only HLTV and ESL has the info that could prove that someone talks a lot of bullshit, but as long as this is kept behind closed doors everything is just speculation about what really happened
Ill just stop commenting for now and let this sort out itself
Post edited 2010-09-01 17:37:35
2010-09-01 17:37:04
esl idiots fucking up the community of hltv they probably want more ppl on blank tv or w/e to be watching, see hltv is very popular so they might be jelous.
2010-09-01 16:27:44
Joe Miller should join HLTV plsx
2010-09-01 17:09:09
Don't feed the trolls Nomad. They're just bored from their life.
2010-09-01 18:45:07
well,for me hltv is wrong,just becauz the guy give u a ultimatum doesnt mean u have to start this stupid flame war.
u should keep this for yourself,or every sponsor that disagree with your point of view will win a "hate thread"?
As i see this is a way of you turning people against ESL,and u know that.....
so cut that crap,u r acting like a baby
u should keep this for yourself,or every sponsor that disagree with your point of view will win a "hate thread"?
As i see this is a way of you turning people against ESL,and u know that.....
so cut that crap,u r acting like a baby
2010-09-03 01:11:33
To fuck a horse in the knee! My dreamteam :(
Go to the ass with his ESL Cup, it was interesting to me thanks to hltv.org and his ideas Dream Team. Then Germany's close and let yourself look. No dream team ESL ggbb. But I am offended by hltv.org due to the fact that there was no dream team in the ASUS summer.
Go to the ass with his ESL Cup, it was interesting to me thanks to hltv.org and his ideas Dream Team. Then Germany's close and let yourself look. No dream team ESL ggbb. But I am offended by hltv.org due to the fact that there was no dream team in the ASUS summer.
2010-09-03 08:05:14
esl = a bunch of wholedaywankingrestofthedaygaming lowlifes [(like most of u)just kiddin] so lets destroy them!
2010-09-30 15:55:49
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